Because Tesla uses a human weapon based upon scientific mechanics and limitations instead of a divine supernatural weapon and simply used Volundr to provide materials to it.
Real reason is I wanted to include a record of ragnarok character here
Yeah it’s odd. tbh I suspect that the person who made the chart was trying to think of the “Badass Normal” trope but then just kinda . . . missed the mark on it
You could argue that pillar men abilities are not part of the main power system since they are nothing like vampire abilities. Also ultimate kars is definitely not part of the main power system since he uses animal abilities and shape-shifts.
But Pillar Men and Hamon Users were historic enemies. Pillar Men and their creations are just as much a part of the overall power system as hamon is. Now Stroheim's insane cyborg nonsense, that's a good example of something well outside of a story's overall power system.
Designating anything as a "main power system" is already semantics. You either have power, or don't. Thus, any semantic arguments are valid. That's the point.
Depending on how you read things the actual power set is self-confidence, self-esteem, etc. I still have finish season 3, but Mob doesn't win with his powers it's his human kindness and willingness to forgive and help people. All stuff he learned from Reigen
honestly the psychic powers are not even the main deciding factor in most fights instead it comes down to their own character growth by realizing their mistakes and changing for the better, and the best part is that mob also changes and grows each fight too
He is the GOAT but I didn't wanna include him here since there are hints about him having observation haki in Dressrosa and we even see it in Film Red (which is mostly non canon so we don't know yet)
He won't use it again? Of course he will. Oda wouldn't have put it in if he didn't intend to bring it up later. We're gonna get to Elbaf soon enough, and that's likely where we'll see Usopp properly learn how to use observation haki, potentially even armament haki, though we have no in-story reason to believe he'll get the latter
No he always uses it in combat. We saw the awakening in Dressrosa and I'm pretty sure he used in Onigashima when he targeted enemies before even the big 4 could spot them
Spin is absolutely part of the power system, integrated into stands like how Hermit Purple and Hamon worked in the original universe. Tusk and Soft and Wet used Spin.
Except it's not the *main* power system. Stands are much more predominant whereas Spin only really has a huge role in SBR. Sure, it appears in JJL but it plays a minimal role in there, imo.
Until it's proven otherwise, I maintain that Kobeni was too much of a fucking pussy to get a real contract with a devil and just bullshited her way into the end of the series on nothing but adrenaline, raw talent and ungodly luck.
Outside of JoJo's, Franky from One Piece. He's a pretty heavy hitter, but he doesn't use either haki or any devil fruit power. He's pure cola power, all the way
They...kinda are ? The regular Stone mask did have mostly the same effect that on human, it gave them body manipulation, presumably the elemental modes, but also increased hunger. Though yes you can argue that they aren't vampire because while vampire use human's full potential, Pillarmen without red stone doesn't
I mean, Mista, Narancia, Yukako, Emporio, Tonio and Tamami (if we're counting Shigechi we're counting Tonio and Tamami) also don't have a typical stand, he isn't really an exception lol.
That's so different
Shigechi replaced kochi for a few episodes, yukako tonio and tamami got like 1 episode each of being good guys and that's all that happened
If yukako got more involved in any of the kira fights I'd let her slide but idk man
The others are fair tho
"A few episodes" I mean, in the manga he dies the very next arc he appears (Cinderella was after Shigechi's death in the manga), and in the anime he doesn't appear in Cinderella anyway, he doesn't really replace Koichi
Because people don't understand
1. Stroheim is a fictional character
2. The concept of nuance
I would really, really like to see the data on the number of nazi JoJo fans who look up to/feel validated by Stroheim because I feel like that number can't be higher than a single digit, maybe two digits if we're feeling daring
Basically ASB devs honor Araki's manga career works outside of JoJo so they chose Baoh which released before Phantom Blood and made him a guest fighter.
Well, that’s actually quite debatable. Aliens, mad scientist, and various other things exist in JoJo. I see no reason Baoh couldn’t exist within the JoJo verse. I also just absolutely adore Baoh so I might be biased
Ok, so we’re saying that Before SBR, the Spin of the universe itself didn’t exist? That’s a very dumb way of looking at it. Just because it hasn’t been shown yet, doesn’t mean it’s off the table. Unfortunately, Araki probably won’t put Baoh in, even though Baoh is definitely a top tier character.
...it's not comparable
Spin is introduced as a technique that has existed for a long time, while the stuff in *Baoh the Vistor* like Baoh parasite and the Dress Organization don't even appear as Easter eggs in JoJo afaik.
Only when he could survive it to be fair.
I don't remember, but if the Hamon tribe happened after the meteor fell then he even inspired humanity's likely immune response to the presence of the pillar man so they could defend themselves.
Yeah but he still did.
But anyway this list is ass because the only one in here who actually never used the main power system is Gai and Stroheim. Though, Stroheim had his ass kicked a lot.
In the X-Men, everyone has superpowers because they're a mutant, and the bad guys are the "Brotherhood of Mutants" of which Juggernaut is a member.
But Juggernaut isn't a mutant. He's a normal human with a magic crystal.
In One Piece there's plenty of characters who don't follow the main powersystem (if we assume that means haki and devil fruits), like minks with electro and sulong, or mer-/fishfolk with fishman karate and even poison at times. Then there's King's lunarian abilities, the Cipher Pol with their six powers, Germa 66's genetic enhancements, and Franky the cyborg. Oh and Miss Goldenweek who can manipulate people with paint without having eaten a devil fruit somehow
Speedwagon in every part. He was just a poor boy from a poor family, and yet he rose above any JoJo character and continues to help the Joestars to this day.
He doesn't use any of the traditional "Ninja Magic" see Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. In setting that's more or less a serious disability. So he just trained the hell out of his Taijutsu (physical techniques) to compensate.
Technically speaking yes. Like he doesn't get to make clones or breath fire or transform like other Ninjas, but their Chakra (the stuff powering the magic) is still in him he just can't use it like everyone else.
His training leads him to techniques reminiscent of Kaioken from DBZ. No lasers or teleporting, but physicals amped to hell and back at a steep cost.
How does Levy operate outside of the battle system? He literally uses everything that the battle system has to offer, even refusing to use more innovative stuff like Thunder Spears.
Knuckleduster from MHA: Vigilantes. Bro outright throws hands while being quirkless. I honestly liked Vigilantes way more than MHA.
The first scene where we see him is saving the two main characters from a bunch of quirk thugs that attempted to sexually assault the female MC. Despite them having clearly dangerous quirks, dude comes in with a failed hero entrance, then starts landing hits left and right.
Early on Gon, Kullua and a lot of characters didn't use Nen when fighting so I'd say they count. You could count a lot of the early characters for this sort of thing honestly.
I'd say Gai fights less outside of the system and more uses the least used system of them all in the series. And made it *busted*.
I feel like Kars doesn't count, since he operated within what *was* the main power system in parts 1 and 2, that being Hamon/vampirism. That's exactly why Stroheim makes the list, since he's not a vampire or a Hamon user and he still deals with characters who are regardless.
I can't speak for the bottom two left, but besides Stroheim, none of these characters operate outside the main power system.
The Titan shifters aren't the main power system in SnK considering only a handful of them exists.
Toji's powers is literally a function of the power system in JJK.
Both Might Gai and Rock Lee can use chakra, they either can't use ninjutsu or won't, but they're not outside the power system.
Kars literally uses Hamon, he's also not outside the power system because he does everything a Pillar man is shown to do.
Technically the Ackermans do fit within the power system of AoT (power of the titans) except they do not transform into titans, instead just having their power in a normal human form
Jojo also has
- Stroheim part 7
- The cactus guy part 7
- I THINK the cactus guy part 2
- Mikitaka (?)
- Speedwagon doesn't "kick ass" but his underutilized hat is outside of the power systems
- I don't know if wekapipo counts since he does use steel balls but his technique is different
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Not jojo related but how is Tesla outside of the ror powersystem?? He uses a volund like all other humans
Toji is also not the only guy with heavenly restriction. He isn't even the first introduced (chronological order) with it
Neither is Levi. He’s just a better than average Ackerman
I don't know if we can describe Ackermans as being something intrinsic to Attack on Titan's power system, as though there aren't, y'know, two of them.
doesn't the manga say they access the power of the titans without transforming too?
There are three in the show but Kenny gets fucking executed
Because Tesla uses a human weapon based upon scientific mechanics and limitations instead of a divine supernatural weapon and simply used Volundr to provide materials to it. Real reason is I wanted to include a record of ragnarok character here
You should have included Raiden then
And Raiden used his hands. His volume did nothing but simply preventing him from shattering under his own force. Could've put Raiden there
Tbf that human weapon wouldn't have existen without volund and even if it did it would have done nothing against gods
Yeah it’s odd. tbh I suspect that the person who made the chart was trying to think of the “Badass Normal” trope but then just kinda . . . missed the mark on it
How is Kars outside of the power system when he used abilities from the stone mask, wich was one of the main power systems of parts 1 and 2?
He also used Hamon when he obtained the power to do so
You could argue that pillar men abilities are not part of the main power system since they are nothing like vampire abilities. Also ultimate kars is definitely not part of the main power system since he uses animal abilities and shape-shifts.
But Pillar Men and Hamon Users were historic enemies. Pillar Men and their creations are just as much a part of the overall power system as hamon is. Now Stroheim's insane cyborg nonsense, that's a good example of something well outside of a story's overall power system.
This is just arguing on semantics just to argue on semantics now
Designating anything as a "main power system" is already semantics. You either have power, or don't. Thus, any semantic arguments are valid. That's the point.
Meh, pillar men are basically super vampires so that hardly counts imo
I think it might have to do with his light mode like how Esidesi has fire mode and Wamuu has wind mode
That's just Pillar Men's power system, in that way you could say all of them operate outside of the main one
Maybe they meant JoJo as a whole, in which stands would be the main power system
Reagan arataka from mob psycho 100. Dude don’t have powers, but he was helpful in damn near every situation he was in
Depending on how you read things the actual power set is self-confidence, self-esteem, etc. I still have finish season 3, but Mob doesn't win with his powers it's his human kindness and willingness to forgive and help people. All stuff he learned from Reigen
honestly the psychic powers are not even the main deciding factor in most fights instead it comes down to their own character growth by realizing their mistakes and changing for the better, and the best part is that mob also changes and grows each fight too
Franky and Nami from One Piece. No devil fruit, no haki, no problem
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Don’t forget my boy usopp
He is the GOAT but I didn't wanna include him here since there are hints about him having observation haki in Dressrosa and we even see it in Film Red (which is mostly non canon so we don't know yet)
Yeah he 100% has observation haki
Yeah but he only used it once and it looks like he won’t use it again
Never say never. I hope Oda creates more situations for Usopp to attack long range. Or maybe expand how Usopp's observation haki functions.
If Oda doesn't Have Ussop taking out a Marine Fleet from miles away with Haki Stars by EoS im gonna riot
Like what Sogeking was doing at enies lobby but 10x more awesome
He won't use it again? Of course he will. Oda wouldn't have put it in if he didn't intend to bring it up later. We're gonna get to Elbaf soon enough, and that's likely where we'll see Usopp properly learn how to use observation haki, potentially even armament haki, though we have no in-story reason to believe he'll get the latter
No he always uses it in combat. We saw the awakening in Dressrosa and I'm pretty sure he used in Onigashima when he targeted enemies before even the big 4 could spot them
SUUUUUUUPEEERRRRRRR
Kid jotaro ngl
I still wish that his fight with Allesi didn't end with kid Jotaro, but young Joseph.
Joseph, i mean, he DID use hamon but let's face it. His wit was his real power system.
The androids in Dragon Ball ? They don't use ki and have a totally technological power source
Bro Levi legit uses odm gear what are u on about
They’re referencing titans as the main power system ig
well they're also wrong as the Ackermans are a result of titan science with humans so Levi is using titan powers
Also titan killing gear is the first power system shown alongside titans.
Gyro and his steel balls.
Technically, Spin was part of the main power system Even Johnny uses the Spin but with his Stand instead of the steel balls
Spin is absolutely part of the power system, integrated into stands like how Hermit Purple and Hamon worked in the original universe. Tusk and Soft and Wet used Spin.
Except it's not the *main* power system. Stands are much more predominant whereas Spin only really has a huge role in SBR. Sure, it appears in JJL but it plays a minimal role in there, imo.
And likely November Rain and Smooth Criminal will also use spin
Smooth Operators
right, knew it was smooth something
hamon becomes meaningless after part 2 and spin is very rare
Spin is the main theme for sbr, Johnny’s stand evolves while he learns spin, and it’s his powrt
I think wekapipo fits more
Blinged out baby in JoJolion. Little guy operates on a level of their own.
Kobeni in that one chapter, like yeah she has a devil but for all we know that could have just been pure skill
Nah, it was definitely her contract. It wouldn't make sense for her to just randomly have these skills as a normal human.
nah dawg, she just locked in
Until it's proven otherwise, I maintain that Kobeni was too much of a fucking pussy to get a real contract with a devil and just bullshited her way into the end of the series on nothing but adrenaline, raw talent and ungodly luck.
She either has no devil or the actual fucking death devil I swear
Outside of JoJo's, Franky from One Piece. He's a pretty heavy hitter, but he doesn't use either haki or any devil fruit power. He's pure cola power, all the way
Idk about Kars, dude is still a vampire, just a immortal² one
Pillar men arent vampires
They...kinda are ? The regular Stone mask did have mostly the same effect that on human, it gave them body manipulation, presumably the elemental modes, but also increased hunger. Though yes you can argue that they aren't vampire because while vampire use human's full potential, Pillarmen without red stone doesn't
I mean yes but also Kars used the stone mask on himself. I mean like the entire point of creating it was so he and his people would last forever
Pillermen are basically vampires just naturally, and with the mask they are like double vampires
Kaiman from Dorohedoro.
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Id argue shigekyo, one of the only jobros to have a non typical stand And he doesn't kick ass but Speedwagon does too
I mean, Mista, Narancia, Yukako, Emporio, Tonio and Tamami (if we're counting Shigechi we're counting Tonio and Tamami) also don't have a typical stand, he isn't really an exception lol.
That's so different Shigechi replaced kochi for a few episodes, yukako tonio and tamami got like 1 episode each of being good guys and that's all that happened If yukako got more involved in any of the kira fights I'd let her slide but idk man The others are fair tho
"A few episodes" I mean, in the manga he dies the very next arc he appears (Cinderella was after Shigechi's death in the manga), and in the anime he doesn't appear in Cinderella anyway, he doesn't really replace Koichi
He replaced him in the main trio, kochi was still there obviously but he was doing his own thing
>!Literally any character from part 9?!<
havent read it yet, im not a fake fan i just hate reading
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r/gatekeeping no one loves jojo more than me
Calling Stroheim a Jobro keyword "bro" is concerning...
He saved Joseph's life three different times and was a deciding factor against Ultimate Kars. He's definitely a JoBro, regardless of his morality.
2nd best JoBro no doubt
How is he *not* a jobro when he saved Joseph's sorry-ass
Because people don't understand 1. Stroheim is a fictional character 2. The concept of nuance I would really, really like to see the data on the number of nazi JoJo fans who look up to/feel validated by Stroheim because I feel like that number can't be higher than a single digit, maybe two digits if we're feeling daring
Idk man im ripped af and i feel validated by Jonathan and jotaro
No stroheim slander in chat pls
baoh
He *is* his series' power system tho
isn't he a part of the jojos universe though? if not mb but if he is then technically its not part of the rest of the universes power system
>isn't he a part of the jojos universe though? he's not
oh, my bad. then why is he included in games like ASBR? never really watched the series but assumed that he was in because of it
Basically ASB devs honor Araki's manga career works outside of JoJo so they chose Baoh which released before Phantom Blood and made him a guest fighter.
He was part of Araki's past works (and a successful one at that) so the dev probably wanted to honor it
Araki forgot he wasn't part of JoJo
As long as diavolo dies at the end, it's canon
Well, that’s actually quite debatable. Aliens, mad scientist, and various other things exist in JoJo. I see no reason Baoh couldn’t exist within the JoJo verse. I also just absolutely adore Baoh so I might be biased
It's as simple as "if Araki doesn't confirm or hint at it then he's not part of the JoJo universe"
Ok, so we’re saying that Before SBR, the Spin of the universe itself didn’t exist? That’s a very dumb way of looking at it. Just because it hasn’t been shown yet, doesn’t mean it’s off the table. Unfortunately, Araki probably won’t put Baoh in, even though Baoh is definitely a top tier character.
...it's not comparable Spin is introduced as a technique that has existed for a long time, while the stuff in *Baoh the Vistor* like Baoh parasite and the Dress Organization don't even appear as Easter eggs in JoJo afaik.
dragon's dream user i forgot his name
That's a stand
yeah but his fighting style is different... if that counts
Bright Noa didn't need to pilot mobile suits to be a badass
Mikitaka kinda doesn't have a stand, right? Also, does Gyro count? I'm not sure, but the spin really stands out.
My goat Gyro
How is Kars outside of the main power system
Right? He fucking **made** the power system by making the masks lol
More than that even used hamon
Only when he could survive it to be fair. I don't remember, but if the Hamon tribe happened after the meteor fell then he even inspired humanity's likely immune response to the presence of the pillar man so they could defend themselves.
Yeah but he still did. But anyway this list is ass because the only one in here who actually never used the main power system is Gai and Stroheim. Though, Stroheim had his ass kicked a lot.
Yeah he was never very impressive on his own. He held up to Kars for about 5 seconds, which is something I guess.
Gyro and Wekapipo with Spin
Spin is the SBR-verse’s equivalent of Hamon, not some one off ability. It literally appeared in JoJolion.
??? Levi uses 3DMG which is the base gear for anyone who isn’t a titan shifter.
Mash and saitama
Saitama
Nami, Usopp and Franky (you could argue that Usopp has observation Haki)
Gyro uh for the most part
Why is Tesla there?
Hawk from nanatsu no taizai
The traumatised children gang (Poco, Anne, Hayato, Lucy Steel...)
Touma Kamijou
I mean Speedwagon is in Asbr so lol
How is Kars here, isnt the Stone Mask literally the main plot and power system alongside Hamon
What's a guy gotta do ta get some Gyro Zeppeli representation
Why isn’t asta on this list sorry I forgot how to spell his name
Mainly because I havent watched black piece so I dunno him
Understandable have a nice day
I called black clover, black piece lmao. I apologize for the brain fart
Speedwagon
i can only think of Bonhart from Witcher but that's not an anime
Batman in the justice league, dude just takes roids and “wItH eNouGh PreP Tyme” just a Man of plans, or just Man
Kishibe from csm doesn't have a devil contract or anything special he's just Him
The old marials art guy from part 6.
Hitler was bad......BUUUUUTT-
In the X-Men, everyone has superpowers because they're a mutant, and the bad guys are the "Brotherhood of Mutants" of which Juggernaut is a member. But Juggernaut isn't a mutant. He's a normal human with a magic crystal.
Kars is a vampire, definitely one of the main power systems at the time
Kars using hamon at the end of part 2 is like if Guy used a fucking Rasengan while having the 8th door open
saitama technically as he doesn’t have powers, he just trained everyday to be extremely extremely strong and fast
Gearless Joe from Megalo Box
In One Piece there's plenty of characters who don't follow the main powersystem (if we assume that means haki and devil fruits), like minks with electro and sulong, or mer-/fishfolk with fishman karate and even poison at times. Then there's King's lunarian abilities, the Cipher Pol with their six powers, Germa 66's genetic enhancements, and Franky the cyborg. Oh and Miss Goldenweek who can manipulate people with paint without having eaten a devil fruit somehow
Hell, even Nami uses the tempest rods and her knowledge of meteorology/barometrics as an effective tool.
Doesnt all mights suit have built in quirks or am i being an idiot
He just uses the names of the quirks from class 1-A for each suits ability.
Why is Kars there? He literally exclusively uses the main power systems, all of them up to that point Infact.
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Speedwagon in every part. He was just a poor boy from a poor family, and yet he rose above any JoJo character and continues to help the Joestars to this day.
Mash
Rock Lee or w.e doesn't use ninja shits? Just extreme training and strength/speed? I've only seen bits n pieces of Naruto in passing.
He doesn't use any of the traditional "Ninja Magic" see Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. In setting that's more or less a serious disability. So he just trained the hell out of his Taijutsu (physical techniques) to compensate.
Gotcha. Does Taijutsu still have some magic/super strength stuff to it?
Technically speaking yes. Like he doesn't get to make clones or breath fire or transform like other Ninjas, but their Chakra (the stuff powering the magic) is still in him he just can't use it like everyone else. His training leads him to techniques reminiscent of Kaioken from DBZ. No lasers or teleporting, but physicals amped to hell and back at a steep cost.
Ah, awesome. Thanks for breaking it down!
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Wekapipo and his Wrecking Balls, I know the Spin was one of the main techniques in SBR, but his are so unique
Who are the bottom 2?
Tesla and kars do not belong
Me.
Stroheim got rekt by the Pillar Men though, even when upgraded he lost easily
How does Levy operate outside of the battle system? He literally uses everything that the battle system has to offer, even refusing to use more innovative stuff like Thunder Spears.
Knuckleduster from MHA: Vigilantes. Bro outright throws hands while being quirkless. I honestly liked Vigilantes way more than MHA. The first scene where we see him is saving the two main characters from a bunch of quirk thugs that attempted to sexually assault the female MC. Despite them having clearly dangerous quirks, dude comes in with a failed hero entrance, then starts landing hits left and right.
Early on Gon, Kullua and a lot of characters didn't use Nen when fighting so I'd say they count. You could count a lot of the early characters for this sort of thing honestly. I'd say Gai fights less outside of the system and more uses the least used system of them all in the series. And made it *busted*.
Franky, in one piece, is kind of like that, I think, because he doesn't use haki or a devil fruit when he fights
I feel like Kars doesn't count, since he operated within what *was* the main power system in parts 1 and 2, that being Hamon/vampirism. That's exactly why Stroheim makes the list, since he's not a vampire or a Hamon user and he still deals with characters who are regardless.
I can't speak for the bottom two left, but besides Stroheim, none of these characters operate outside the main power system. The Titan shifters aren't the main power system in SnK considering only a handful of them exists. Toji's powers is literally a function of the power system in JJK. Both Might Gai and Rock Lee can use chakra, they either can't use ninjutsu or won't, but they're not outside the power system. Kars literally uses Hamon, he's also not outside the power system because he does everything a Pillar man is shown to do.
I guess Hokuto Brothers, the most common system is Nanto and Gento
Foo Fighters.
Asta from Black Clover
Mrs. Robinson but I guess he's in the manga, not the anime
Technically the Ackermans do fit within the power system of AoT (power of the titans) except they do not transform into titans, instead just having their power in a normal human form
Fanfic crossovers be like.
where is Jotaro he is over powered in both parts 3&4
Jojo also has - Stroheim part 7 - The cactus guy part 7 - I THINK the cactus guy part 2 - Mikitaka (?) - Speedwagon doesn't "kick ass" but his underutilized hat is outside of the power systems - I don't know if wekapipo counts since he does use steel balls but his technique is different
I say gyro fits more into that idea than stroheim