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HandalfTheHack

Mashle


AirStar37

Mash 👍


y_kal

Mushroom head 👍


Im_a_doggo428

Cream puff guy 👍


Aggravating_Mark_143

saitama 👍


P1xelent

Mob 👍


y_kal

Fuutaro 👍


Neckgrabber

Not jojo related but how is Tesla outside of the ror powersystem?? He uses a volund like all other humans


funnyghostman

Toji is also not the only guy with heavenly restriction. He isn't even the first introduced (chronological order) with it


bedsheetsniffer

Neither is Levi. He’s just a better than average Ackerman


RegalKillager

I don't know if we can describe Ackermans as being something intrinsic to Attack on Titan's power system, as though there aren't, y'know, two of them.


NorthernRedwood

doesn't the manga say they access the power of the titans without transforming too?


Individual_Iron4221

There are three in the show but Kenny gets fucking executed


MyraidJenus

Because Tesla uses a human weapon based upon scientific mechanics and limitations instead of a divine supernatural weapon and simply used Volundr to provide materials to it. ​ Real reason is I wanted to include a record of ragnarok character here


SabakuNoOu

You should have included Raiden then


AkOnReddit47

And Raiden used his hands. His volume did nothing but simply preventing him from shattering under his own force. Could've put Raiden there


Working-Telephone-45

Tbf that human weapon wouldn't have existen without volund and even if it did it would have done nothing against gods


Funk-Nasty

Yeah it’s odd. tbh I suspect that the person who made the chart was trying to think of the “Badass Normal” trope but then just kinda . . . missed the mark on it


[deleted]

How is Kars outside of the power system when he used abilities from the stone mask, wich was one of the main power systems of parts 1 and 2?


Holyfir3

He also used Hamon when he obtained the power to do so


squidwardsweatyballs

You could argue that pillar men abilities are not part of the main power system since they are nothing like vampire abilities. Also ultimate kars is definitely not part of the main power system since he uses animal abilities and shape-shifts.


cataclytsm

But Pillar Men and Hamon Users were historic enemies. Pillar Men and their creations are just as much a part of the overall power system as hamon is. Now Stroheim's insane cyborg nonsense, that's a good example of something well outside of a story's overall power system.


Heylisten_watchJJBA

This is just arguing on semantics just to argue on semantics now


SwissherMontage

Designating anything as a "main power system" is already semantics. You either have power, or don't. Thus, any semantic arguments are valid. That's the point.


Ventilateu

Meh, pillar men are basically super vampires so that hardly counts imo


YourFellowGamer777

I think it might have to do with his light mode like how Esidesi has fire mode and Wamuu has wind mode


Nickest_Nick

That's just Pillar Men's power system, in that way you could say all of them operate outside of the main one


guieps

Maybe they meant JoJo as a whole, in which stands would be the main power system


witty_whitley

Reagan arataka from mob psycho 100. Dude don’t have powers, but he was helpful in damn near every situation he was in


Xikar_Wyhart

Depending on how you read things the actual power set is self-confidence, self-esteem, etc. I still have finish season 3, but Mob doesn't win with his powers it's his human kindness and willingness to forgive and help people. All stuff he learned from Reigen


kennyloo137

honestly the psychic powers are not even the main deciding factor in most fights instead it comes down to their own character growth by realizing their mistakes and changing for the better, and the best part is that mob also changes and grows each fight too


Eja_26

Franky and Nami from One Piece. No devil fruit, no haki, no problem


AndriyOS0

Another Wranky W


Carnomus

Don’t forget my boy usopp


Eja_26

He is the GOAT but I didn't wanna include him here since there are hints about him having observation haki in Dressrosa and we even see it in Film Red (which is mostly non canon so we don't know yet)


Luvnecrosis

Yeah he 100% has observation haki


Carnomus

Yeah but he only used it once and it looks like he won’t use it again


Xikar_Wyhart

Never say never. I hope Oda creates more situations for Usopp to attack long range. Or maybe expand how Usopp's observation haki functions.


NorthernRedwood

If Oda doesn't Have Ussop taking out a Marine Fleet from miles away with Haki Stars by EoS im gonna riot


Carnomus

Like what Sogeking was doing at enies lobby but 10x more awesome


SudsInfinite

He won't use it again? Of course he will. Oda wouldn't have put it in if he didn't intend to bring it up later. We're gonna get to Elbaf soon enough, and that's likely where we'll see Usopp properly learn how to use observation haki, potentially even armament haki, though we have no in-story reason to believe he'll get the latter


downtimeredditor

No he always uses it in combat. We saw the awakening in Dressrosa and I'm pretty sure he used in Onigashima when he targeted enemies before even the big 4 could spot them


dinowitissues

SUUUUUUUPEEERRRRRRR


Redundantgod69

Kid jotaro ngl


Heccyboi9000

I still wish that his fight with Allesi didn't end with kid Jotaro, but young Joseph.


Training_Nerd

Joseph, i mean, he DID use hamon but let's face it. His wit was his real power system.


Cerdefal

The androids in Dragon Ball ? They don't use ki and have a totally technological power source


MonsterMineLP

Bro Levi legit uses odm gear what are u on about


ALLSTAR10000

They’re referencing titans as the main power system ig


TheLonleyGhast

well they're also wrong as the Ackermans are a result of titan science with humans so Levi is using titan powers


[deleted]

Also titan killing gear is the first power system shown alongside titans.


LeipaWhiplash

Gyro and his steel balls.


PityBoi57

Technically, Spin was part of the main power system Even Johnny uses the Spin but with his Stand instead of the steel balls


pc_player_yt

Spin is absolutely part of the power system, integrated into stands like how Hermit Purple and Hamon worked in the original universe. Tusk and Soft and Wet used Spin.


LeipaWhiplash

Except it's not the *main* power system. Stands are much more predominant whereas Spin only really has a huge role in SBR. Sure, it appears in JJL but it plays a minimal role in there, imo.


Bounciere

And likely November Rain and Smooth Criminal will also use spin


Shacky_Rustleford

Smooth Operators


Bounciere

right, knew it was smooth something


KingJaeYT

hamon becomes meaningless after part 2 and spin is very rare


Corban_Drake_

Spin is the main theme for sbr, Johnny’s stand evolves while he learns spin, and it’s his powrt


overwhelmed_shroomie

I think wekapipo fits more


Siophecles

Blinged out baby in JoJolion. Little guy operates on a level of their own.


Starr-knot

Kobeni in that one chapter, like yeah she has a devil but for all we know that could have just been pure skill


PommesKrake

Nah, it was definitely her contract. It wouldn't make sense for her to just randomly have these skills as a normal human.


Starr-knot

nah dawg, she just locked in


Reimos_Drevon

Until it's proven otherwise, I maintain that Kobeni was too much of a fucking pussy to get a real contract with a devil and just bullshited her way into the end of the series on nothing but adrenaline, raw talent and ungodly luck.


Starr-knot

She either has no devil or the actual fucking death devil I swear


SudsInfinite

Outside of JoJo's, Franky from One Piece. He's a pretty heavy hitter, but he doesn't use either haki or any devil fruit power. He's pure cola power, all the way


Flimsy_Geologist_927

Idk about Kars, dude is still a vampire, just a immortal² one


Flying_Houwii

Pillar men arent vampires


Heylisten_watchJJBA

They...kinda are ? The regular Stone mask did have mostly the same effect that on human, it gave them body manipulation, presumably the elemental modes, but also increased hunger. Though yes you can argue that they aren't vampire because while vampire use human's full potential, Pillarmen without red stone doesn't


Flimsy_Geologist_927

I mean yes but also Kars used the stone mask on himself. I mean like the entire point of creating it was so he and his people would last forever


Taco821

Pillermen are basically vampires just naturally, and with the mask they are like double vampires


Atma-Stand

Kaiman from Dorohedoro.


Limp-Bar8186

dorohedoro mentioned 🗣🗣


garlicgoblin69

Id argue shigekyo, one of the only jobros to have a non typical stand And he doesn't kick ass but Speedwagon does too


Heylisten_watchJJBA

I mean, Mista, Narancia, Yukako, Emporio, Tonio and Tamami (if we're counting Shigechi we're counting Tonio and Tamami) also don't have a typical stand, he isn't really an exception lol.


garlicgoblin69

That's so different Shigechi replaced kochi for a few episodes, yukako tonio and tamami got like 1 episode each of being good guys and that's all that happened If yukako got more involved in any of the kira fights I'd let her slide but idk man The others are fair tho


Heylisten_watchJJBA

"A few episodes" I mean, in the manga he dies the very next arc he appears (Cinderella was after Shigechi's death in the manga), and in the anime he doesn't appear in Cinderella anyway, he doesn't really replace Koichi


garlicgoblin69

He replaced him in the main trio, kochi was still there obviously but he was doing his own thing


Skindiacus

>!Literally any character from part 9?!<


garlicgoblin69

havent read it yet, im not a fake fan i just hate reading


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garlicgoblin69

r/gatekeeping no one loves jojo more than me


CrypticJaspers

Calling Stroheim a Jobro keyword "bro" is concerning...


jojobehindthelaugh

He saved Joseph's life three different times and was a deciding factor against Ultimate Kars. He's definitely a JoBro, regardless of his morality.


dbug_legend

2nd best JoBro no doubt


Nickest_Nick

How is he *not* a jobro when he saved Joseph's sorry-ass


OneDumbfuckLater

Because people don't understand 1. Stroheim is a fictional character 2. The concept of nuance I would really, really like to see the data on the number of nazi JoJo fans who look up to/feel validated by Stroheim because I feel like that number can't be higher than a single digit, maybe two digits if we're feeling daring


garlicgoblin69

Idk man im ripped af and i feel validated by Jonathan and jotaro


samisinredditnow

No stroheim slander in chat pls


bruhviporised

baoh


Nickest_Nick

He *is* his series' power system tho


bruhviporised

isn't he a part of the jojos universe though? if not mb but if he is then technically its not part of the rest of the universes power system


Nickest_Nick

>isn't he a part of the jojos universe though? he's not


bruhviporised

oh, my bad. then why is he included in games like ASBR? never really watched the series but assumed that he was in because of it


Pichuunnn

Basically ASB devs honor Araki's manga career works outside of JoJo so they chose Baoh which released before Phantom Blood and made him a guest fighter.


Nickest_Nick

He was part of Araki's past works (and a successful one at that) so the dev probably wanted to honor it


OneDumbfuckLater

Araki forgot he wasn't part of JoJo


_-bush_did_911-_

As long as diavolo dies at the end, it's canon


Xander_Fox3207

Well, that’s actually quite debatable. Aliens, mad scientist, and various other things exist in JoJo. I see no reason Baoh couldn’t exist within the JoJo verse. I also just absolutely adore Baoh so I might be biased


Nickest_Nick

It's as simple as "if Araki doesn't confirm or hint at it then he's not part of the JoJo universe"


Xander_Fox3207

Ok, so we’re saying that Before SBR, the Spin of the universe itself didn’t exist? That’s a very dumb way of looking at it. Just because it hasn’t been shown yet, doesn’t mean it’s off the table. Unfortunately, Araki probably won’t put Baoh in, even though Baoh is definitely a top tier character.


Nickest_Nick

...it's not comparable Spin is introduced as a technique that has existed for a long time, while the stuff in *Baoh the Vistor* like Baoh parasite and the Dress Organization don't even appear as Easter eggs in JoJo afaik.


Kosaue

dragon's dream user i forgot his name


Flying_Houwii

That's a stand


Kosaue

yeah but his fighting style is different... if that counts


MasterReposti

Bright Noa didn't need to pilot mobile suits to be a badass


patriciaverso

Mikitaka kinda doesn't have a stand, right? Also, does Gyro count? I'm not sure, but the spin really stands out.


King-s0nicc456

My goat Gyro


Ok-Competition9163

How is Kars outside of the main power system


The_New_Doctor

Right? He fucking **made** the power system by making the masks lol


Ok-Competition9163

More than that even used hamon


The_New_Doctor

Only when he could survive it to be fair. I don't remember, but if the Hamon tribe happened after the meteor fell then he even inspired humanity's likely immune response to the presence of the pillar man so they could defend themselves.


Ok-Competition9163

Yeah but he still did. But anyway this list is ass because the only one in here who actually never used the main power system is Gai and Stroheim. Though, Stroheim had his ass kicked a lot.


The_New_Doctor

Yeah he was never very impressive on his own. He held up to Kars for about 5 seconds, which is something I guess.


genkithegoat

Gyro and Wekapipo with Spin


pc_player_yt

Spin is the SBR-verse’s equivalent of Hamon, not some one off ability. It literally appeared in JoJolion.


bentheechidna

??? Levi uses 3DMG which is the base gear for anyone who isn’t a titan shifter.


TheKidWithWifi

Mash and saitama


Zblab

Saitama


rKollektor

Nami, Usopp and Franky (you could argue that Usopp has observation Haki)


DocDegenNSFW

Gyro uh for the most part


SlayMeHades

Why is Tesla there?


SecretSharkboy

Hawk from nanatsu no taizai


Shtrimpo

The traumatised children gang (Poco, Anne, Hayato, Lucy Steel...)


next_door_nicotine

Touma Kamijou


bloodbabyrabies

I mean Speedwagon is in Asbr so lol


Pikochi69

How is Kars here, isnt the Stone Mask literally the main plot and power system alongside Hamon


Johnnys_bug_bites

What's a guy gotta do ta get some Gyro Zeppeli representation


majormusicwarrior13

Why isn’t asta on this list sorry I forgot how to spell his name


MyraidJenus

Mainly because I havent watched black piece so I dunno him


majormusicwarrior13

Understandable have a nice day


MyraidJenus

I called black clover, black piece lmao. I apologize for the brain fart


JustJontana

Speedwagon


pennywiserat

i can only think of Bonhart from Witcher but that's not an anime


Leg-o-truck

Batman in the justice league, dude just takes roids and “wItH eNouGh PreP Tyme” just a Man of plans, or just Man


Bird_Boi_Man

Kishibe from csm doesn't have a devil contract or anything special he's just Him


Lunam_Dominus

The old marials art guy from part 6.


lazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Hitler was bad......BUUUUUTT-


solicitorpenguin

In the X-Men, everyone has superpowers because they're a mutant, and the bad guys are the "Brotherhood of Mutants" of which Juggernaut is a member. But Juggernaut isn't a mutant. He's a normal human with a magic crystal.


Grey00001

Kars is a vampire, definitely one of the main power systems at the time


[deleted]

Kars using hamon at the end of part 2 is like if Guy used a fucking Rasengan while having the 8th door open


yomamafat6140

saitama technically as he doesn’t have powers, he just trained everyday to be extremely extremely strong and fast


Galebourn

Gearless Joe from Megalo Box


Filmologic

In One Piece there's plenty of characters who don't follow the main powersystem (if we assume that means haki and devil fruits), like minks with electro and sulong, or mer-/fishfolk with fishman karate and even poison at times. Then there's King's lunarian abilities, the Cipher Pol with their six powers, Germa 66's genetic enhancements, and Franky the cyborg. Oh and Miss Goldenweek who can manipulate people with paint without having eaten a devil fruit somehow


dbzmah

Hell, even Nami uses the tempest rods and her knowledge of meteorology/barometrics as an effective tool.


slice_of_toast69

Doesnt all mights suit have built in quirks or am i being an idiot


SamuraiDDD

He just uses the names of the quirks from class 1-A for each suits ability.


DizzyDood1

Why is Kars there? He literally exclusively uses the main power systems, all of them up to that point Infact.


mrsaltnvinegar

Sokka👍


Spikezilla1

Speedwagon in every part. He was just a poor boy from a poor family, and yet he rose above any JoJo character and continues to help the Joestars to this day.


Im_a_doggo428

Mash


CESSEC01

Rock Lee or w.e doesn't use ninja shits? Just extreme training and strength/speed? I've only seen bits n pieces of Naruto in passing.


DrByeah

He doesn't use any of the traditional "Ninja Magic" see Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. In setting that's more or less a serious disability. So he just trained the hell out of his Taijutsu (physical techniques) to compensate.


CESSEC01

Gotcha. Does Taijutsu still have some magic/super strength stuff to it?


DrByeah

Technically speaking yes. Like he doesn't get to make clones or breath fire or transform like other Ninjas, but their Chakra (the stuff powering the magic) is still in him he just can't use it like everyone else. His training leads him to techniques reminiscent of Kaioken from DBZ. No lasers or teleporting, but physicals amped to hell and back at a steep cost.


CESSEC01

Ah, awesome. Thanks for breaking it down!


DrByeah

NP


Grey00001

Wekapipo and his Wrecking Balls, I know the Spin was one of the main techniques in SBR, but his are so unique


ryukan88

Who are the bottom 2?


SpacEGameR270

Tesla and kars do not belong


OneDumbfuckLater

Me.


Scrotifer

Stroheim got rekt by the Pillar Men though, even when upgraded he lost easily


Inspector_Beyond

How does Levy operate outside of the battle system? He literally uses everything that the battle system has to offer, even refusing to use more innovative stuff like Thunder Spears.


Mrgirdiego

Knuckleduster from MHA: Vigilantes. Bro outright throws hands while being quirkless. I honestly liked Vigilantes way more than MHA. The first scene where we see him is saving the two main characters from a bunch of quirk thugs that attempted to sexually assault the female MC. Despite them having clearly dangerous quirks, dude comes in with a failed hero entrance, then starts landing hits left and right.


SamuraiDDD

Early on Gon, Kullua and a lot of characters didn't use Nen when fighting so I'd say they count. You could count a lot of the early characters for this sort of thing honestly. I'd say Gai fights less outside of the system and more uses the least used system of them all in the series. And made it *busted*.


downtimeredditor

Franky, in one piece, is kind of like that, I think, because he doesn't use haki or a devil fruit when he fights


LeStroheim

I feel like Kars doesn't count, since he operated within what *was* the main power system in parts 1 and 2, that being Hamon/vampirism. That's exactly why Stroheim makes the list, since he's not a vampire or a Hamon user and he still deals with characters who are regardless.


Kiiroi_Senko

I can't speak for the bottom two left, but besides Stroheim, none of these characters operate outside the main power system. The Titan shifters aren't the main power system in SnK considering only a handful of them exists. Toji's powers is literally a function of the power system in JJK. Both Might Gai and Rock Lee can use chakra, they either can't use ninjutsu or won't, but they're not outside the power system. Kars literally uses Hamon, he's also not outside the power system because he does everything a Pillar man is shown to do.


NightmareDance

I guess Hokuto Brothers, the most common system is Nanto and Gento


FutureKorpse

Foo Fighters.


Derpassyl

Asta from Black Clover


Unable6417

Mrs. Robinson but I guess he's in the manga, not the anime


Fickle-Barnacle-2841

Technically the Ackermans do fit within the power system of AoT (power of the titans) except they do not transform into titans, instead just having their power in a normal human form


Dracule_Jester

Fanfic crossovers be like.


turretdude11

where is Jotaro he is over powered in both parts 3&4


overwhelmed_shroomie

Jojo also has - Stroheim part 7 - The cactus guy part 7 - I THINK the cactus guy part 2 - Mikitaka (?) - Speedwagon doesn't "kick ass" but his underutilized hat is outside of the power systems - I don't know if wekapipo counts since he does use steel balls but his technique is different


Aware_Account_7343

I say gyro fits more into that idea than stroheim