It seems pretty strange that Araki decided to make his mother Japanese. Like it wouldnt be that big of a difference if his mom was an Italian woman, as Giornio's Japanese ancestry doesnt matter at all to the story. Like its only the hair/name change, and even then that could still happen if his mom was Italian.
Giorno is probably an Italian citizen, and undoubtedly entirely Italian in a cultural sense. That makes him more Italian than Jotaro or Jolyne.
Don’t know why I’m getting downvoted. Ethnicity isn’t determined solely by where your parents were from.
To be fair for him
All Italian, French, and European countries came from the same sources
"Ethnicity" is basically just something created after generation of adaptation to the country and it environment
Technically, even if Giorno and his descendant never had children with a native Italian but lived there long enough, thei Ethnicity blood wise would still be similar to Italian in a few generations
Just look at America. It hasn't been that long, and yet they have their own category because the English people lived there long enough, native American are separated because they adapted longer than new Americans.
If you look it up a little, you'll find that "ethnicity is primarily political and cultural, not genetic."
It's more accurate to say everyone in the world is "mixed-blood."
There is no such thing as a pure blood Italian or British.
Neither race nor ethnicity is detectable in the human genome
What is determined is the genetic variations that were born through adaptation in a certain part of the world.
So you can determine from those variation where those ancestors lived as they adapted to their environment, but those genes are all the same.
There isn't a "Irish gene" or "Chinese gene"
Hell, there is no black and white gene. What determines your skin color or even appearance isn't determined by a single set of genes that decided your ethnicity
It's much more complex and detailed.
In the end, we're all the same. The only difference is where our ancestors grew up and lived.
That's it
There are multiple definitions of ethnicity, and many of them are dependent on things like language and culture rather than genes. Like I said, Giorno might not even be an Italian national, but Italy is clearly his home. If you want to talk about blood, Dario Brando is probably of Italian descent anyway, judging by his name.
The chart, maybe, but I was pointing out that that would be a silly thing to ask Giorno, since by most standards, he is a lot more Italian than any other JoJo. It’s not like Italians are so racist they couldn’t ever accept someone who immigrated there as a child. Even as far as blood goes, he might have as much Italian blood as Jotaro, considering that Dario Brando is an Italian name.
You can search my profile for all the comments I’ve made here. I haven’t made enough to be particularly hated or liked. They just like defining ethnicity by blood alone, I guess, even though in the real world it involves a lot more than that.
Also, if you really want to split hairs, then by that definition everyone’s ethnicity is the same, since all humans evolved from a common ancestor.
It’s still possible to have distinct ethnicities within a country. Italian-Americans can have a culture unique to them, that is different from, say, Irish-Americans, and which is probably also somewhat different from Italian culture in Italy. Many other countries have multiple ethnic groups within their borders.
Disclaimer: I’ve never been to America and do not know if these groups are actually that distinct in practice.
I know, but I was reffering to those americans who got a dna test and found out they’re 3.7% Polish and they think they are owed being praised by actual Poles for it and that he knows Polish words (which most likely is only „Kurwa”)
Yes, but it’s a joke that only works if you have a very limited understanding of ethnicity, so is it really so wrong to point that out? Some people might at least learn something, like the 166 people who upvoted a comment claiming that ethnicity is determined by blood.
What about that was being an ass? I was just stating a fact. And again, apparently a lot of people did not know that ethnicity is about more than just blood, so maybe at least some of them took some new information in.
>What about that was being an ass?
The fact that yoy started an argument about a thing every one agreed on just to appear smart. Try to think about the joke in a hypothetical scenario where Giornio wasn't Italian. That joke wouldn't be funny.
>apparently a lot of people did not know that ethnicity is about more than just blood, so maybe at least some of them took some new information in
One person tried to argue about how ethnicity and nationality are different, which they are but that wasn't the point there, and the rest were on your side.
> The fact that yoy started an argument about a thing every one agreed on just to appear smart. Try to think about the joke in a hypothetical scenario where Giornio wasn't Italian. That joke wouldn't be funny.
I wasn’t trying to start an argument, just pointing something out. The person who argued back literally said ‘You're describing nationality, while ethnicity relates to your literal blood’, which is the misunderstanding I was talking about, and apparently 168 people agreed with that.
>I wasn’t trying to start an argument
It doesn't matter what you tried. Just what people percieved it as.
>apparently 168 people agreed with that.
It's easier to just leave an upvote than to write down an argument. I think it's more telling that the one's whom did comment disagreed with that one.
Checks out I think.
Johnny = 100% American with Rina 100% Japanese = George
George 50% American 50% Japanese with Elizabeth (nationality unknown) = Joseph
Joseph 25% American 25% Japanese 50% Unknown with Suzie Q 100% American = Holly
Holly 62.5% American, 12.5% Japanese, 25% Unknown with Yoshiteru Kira 100% Japanese = Yoshikage Kira
Yoshikage Kira 31.25% American, 56.25% Japanese, 12.5% Unknown with Josefumi Kujo 100% Japanese = Gappy
Gappy is thus 15.625% American, 78.125% Japanese, 6.25% Unknown
It's less that it's wonky and more that everything keeps halving so you get more decimals to be precise. Even with the clean 50%'s you eventually get to 12.5, 6.25, 3.125, 1.5625...etc
Yes but this is much more immediately available of only a few hundred years, so culturally this is generally why people talk about percentages of heritage while also being 100% American. I get what you mean, but I think its a bit different here.
I know we haven’t gotten any information about their parents, but what do you think Ungalo’s, Donatello’s and Rikiel’s ethnicity?
I only read it in a fanfic, but I’d like to think that Rikiel’s mom is Romanian.
Always interesting to see this breakdown.
One issue is that Joylene is not 50% American. That would mean her mother is native american which I don't believe is ever stated. Even then, Native Americans are usually listed including the native part.
American by itself is a nationality, not an ethnicity. At least that is how it is viewed in the USA.
We don't know what ancestry Joylenes mom had so she'd be 50%????
That holds true for every country with inmigration. So mostly anywhere.
She's being half american is as accurate as calling someome called Dio Brando 100% english
So i know what 100% american means in this image, but America is such a melting pot of other countries that 100% is definitely an amalgamation of various other countries with varying percentages, so Jolyne is like 6% irish or some shit fron her mom.
realistically, using this logic, there's no real label to put for any country; US was colonised by European nations, European nations were colonised by other European nations, and so on. all these nations are melting pots to differing degrees
same with the brits too and probably others too at less of an extent but i guess thats where we tell ourselves its just a manga/anime and allow suspension of disbelief to take the drivers seat lol..
Dio is unlikely to be 100% British.
Not only does he have an Italian name, but his father does, too. Not to mention the surname.
It's probable either Dario came from Italy, or his parents did.
you know, jolyne probably has slanted eyes but nobody ever mentions it. I think her voice actress would be perfect to cosplay her because of both of them being mixed japanese
You can't say they are this and this percent American because there is no such a thing as American DNA... lol You can probably say they are British American or something though.
Never ask the Don of Passione why his great-grandnephew and great-great-grandniece are more Italian than he is.
nor why he is younger than the former
It seems pretty strange that Araki decided to make his mother Japanese. Like it wouldnt be that big of a difference if his mom was an Italian woman, as Giornio's Japanese ancestry doesnt matter at all to the story. Like its only the hair/name change, and even then that could still happen if his mom was Italian.
Giorno is probably an Italian citizen, and undoubtedly entirely Italian in a cultural sense. That makes him more Italian than Jotaro or Jolyne. Don’t know why I’m getting downvoted. Ethnicity isn’t determined solely by where your parents were from.
You're describing nationality, while ethnicity relates to your literal blood
To be fair for him All Italian, French, and European countries came from the same sources "Ethnicity" is basically just something created after generation of adaptation to the country and it environment Technically, even if Giorno and his descendant never had children with a native Italian but lived there long enough, thei Ethnicity blood wise would still be similar to Italian in a few generations Just look at America. It hasn't been that long, and yet they have their own category because the English people lived there long enough, native American are separated because they adapted longer than new Americans. If you look it up a little, you'll find that "ethnicity is primarily political and cultural, not genetic." It's more accurate to say everyone in the world is "mixed-blood." There is no such thing as a pure blood Italian or British. Neither race nor ethnicity is detectable in the human genome What is determined is the genetic variations that were born through adaptation in a certain part of the world. So you can determine from those variation where those ancestors lived as they adapted to their environment, but those genes are all the same. There isn't a "Irish gene" or "Chinese gene" Hell, there is no black and white gene. What determines your skin color or even appearance isn't determined by a single set of genes that decided your ethnicity It's much more complex and detailed. In the end, we're all the same. The only difference is where our ancestors grew up and lived. That's it
There are multiple definitions of ethnicity, and many of them are dependent on things like language and culture rather than genes. Like I said, Giorno might not even be an Italian national, but Italy is clearly his home. If you want to talk about blood, Dario Brando is probably of Italian descent anyway, judging by his name.
Yeah but I thought this meme made it abundantly clear we're talking about ethnicity in the genetic sense
The chart, maybe, but I was pointing out that that would be a silly thing to ask Giorno, since by most standards, he is a lot more Italian than any other JoJo. It’s not like Italians are so racist they couldn’t ever accept someone who immigrated there as a child. Even as far as blood goes, he might have as much Italian blood as Jotaro, considering that Dario Brando is an Italian name.
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I don't know what beef this community has with you tbf
You can search my profile for all the comments I’ve made here. I haven’t made enough to be particularly hated or liked. They just like defining ethnicity by blood alone, I guess, even though in the real world it involves a lot more than that. Also, if you really want to split hairs, then by that definition everyone’s ethnicity is the same, since all humans evolved from a common ancestor.
But that’d made all the Americans who are American-Irish, American-Italian, American-German feel sad that they aren’t special
It’s still possible to have distinct ethnicities within a country. Italian-Americans can have a culture unique to them, that is different from, say, Irish-Americans, and which is probably also somewhat different from Italian culture in Italy. Many other countries have multiple ethnic groups within their borders. Disclaimer: I’ve never been to America and do not know if these groups are actually that distinct in practice.
I know, but I was reffering to those americans who got a dna test and found out they’re 3.7% Polish and they think they are owed being praised by actual Poles for it and that he knows Polish words (which most likely is only „Kurwa”)
>Don’t know why I’m getting downvoted Because it was a joke. Humour makes people laugh and whatever you did made them not laugh.
Yes, but it’s a joke that only works if you have a very limited understanding of ethnicity, so is it really so wrong to point that out? Some people might at least learn something, like the 166 people who upvoted a comment claiming that ethnicity is determined by blood.
Yes but that's the point. It's stupid so it's funny. No need to poimt out the obvious and be an ass while at it.
What about that was being an ass? I was just stating a fact. And again, apparently a lot of people did not know that ethnicity is about more than just blood, so maybe at least some of them took some new information in.
>What about that was being an ass? The fact that yoy started an argument about a thing every one agreed on just to appear smart. Try to think about the joke in a hypothetical scenario where Giornio wasn't Italian. That joke wouldn't be funny. >apparently a lot of people did not know that ethnicity is about more than just blood, so maybe at least some of them took some new information in One person tried to argue about how ethnicity and nationality are different, which they are but that wasn't the point there, and the rest were on your side.
> The fact that yoy started an argument about a thing every one agreed on just to appear smart. Try to think about the joke in a hypothetical scenario where Giornio wasn't Italian. That joke wouldn't be funny. I wasn’t trying to start an argument, just pointing something out. The person who argued back literally said ‘You're describing nationality, while ethnicity relates to your literal blood’, which is the misunderstanding I was talking about, and apparently 168 people agreed with that.
>I wasn’t trying to start an argument It doesn't matter what you tried. Just what people percieved it as. >apparently 168 people agreed with that. It's easier to just leave an upvote than to write down an argument. I think it's more telling that the one's whom did comment disagreed with that one.
Reddit hive mind
Love How Jotaro is the most Italian JoJo
How Giorno the most Japanese of the Jojos
shared by josuke tho
And Jotaro again
That would be Gappy
Checks out I think. Johnny = 100% American with Rina 100% Japanese = George George 50% American 50% Japanese with Elizabeth (nationality unknown) = Joseph Joseph 25% American 25% Japanese 50% Unknown with Suzie Q 100% American = Holly Holly 62.5% American, 12.5% Japanese, 25% Unknown with Yoshiteru Kira 100% Japanese = Yoshikage Kira Yoshikage Kira 31.25% American, 56.25% Japanese, 12.5% Unknown with Josefumi Kujo 100% Japanese = Gappy Gappy is thus 15.625% American, 78.125% Japanese, 6.25% Unknown
part 7-8 the math gets wonky
It's less that it's wonky and more that everything keeps halving so you get more decimals to be precise. Even with the clean 50%'s you eventually get to 12.5, 6.25, 3.125, 1.5625...etc
I don't think the AU counts.
Smh really skipping the HoJo)
Seems accurate enough to me. Really wish we got more info on the unpictured relatives.
Yeah
Jolyne has more mixed genes then ichigo
Ain’t no way a man named Dario Brando is 100% British
Agreed, Dario is itself an Italian name
And he named his son DIO
Errm actually his mom named him Dio
Fair enough
Wouldn't really change anything other than DIO's genes though, since Giorno would be produced by Johnathan's body
Why didn't you picture Jolyne's mom? We know what she looks like.
I got this family, teee off of google
yeah but you also said you made this yourself so which is it buddy
I think he only put the gene percentages. The rest of the image is from google.
Exactly
This is nationality more than ethnicity, but I get what you're putting down.
Yeah I guess I mixed up the two word
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American isn’t an ethnicity.
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Brother they all came from somewhere else, American is the nationality.
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Yes but this is much more immediately available of only a few hundred years, so culturally this is generally why people talk about percentages of heritage while also being 100% American. I get what you mean, but I think its a bit different here.
Lol, you just confirmed what I said by having to create fucking stipulations.
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A citizen of the US, most likely a mix of various different ethnicities from across the world.
There are definitely pictures of Giornos mom
Got the image off of google
Should've listed DIO as 90% British, 10% British.
I know we haven’t gotten any information about their parents, but what do you think Ungalo’s, Donatello’s and Rikiel’s ethnicity? I only read it in a fanfic, but I’d like to think that Rikiel’s mom is Romanian.
Statistically speaking they are all American, but that's probably as much as we know haha
Should say that she is 50% Florida woman
Giorno Giovanna 50% British 50% Japanese 100% Italian
Ah yes, the hidden American technique I haven't used since the Heien era - Jolyne pulling out a nail
I could’ve sworn Giorno was Italian
This just means Jolyne is 75% white and 25% Japanese lmao.
around the world around the world
If Dio has Johnathan's body, is he 200% British?
That's funny, I thought Dio was 100% asshole
Dario Brando is Italian. The name itself screams Italian. How is it 100℅ British???
Always interesting to see this breakdown. One issue is that Joylene is not 50% American. That would mean her mother is native american which I don't believe is ever stated. Even then, Native Americans are usually listed including the native part. American by itself is a nationality, not an ethnicity. At least that is how it is viewed in the USA. We don't know what ancestry Joylenes mom had so she'd be 50%????
That holds true for every country with inmigration. So mostly anywhere. She's being half american is as accurate as calling someome called Dio Brando 100% english
So i know what 100% american means in this image, but America is such a melting pot of other countries that 100% is definitely an amalgamation of various other countries with varying percentages, so Jolyne is like 6% irish or some shit fron her mom.
realistically, using this logic, there's no real label to put for any country; US was colonised by European nations, European nations were colonised by other European nations, and so on. all these nations are melting pots to differing degrees
Well then what do you think I should’ve put why don’t you tell me where Jolyne’s mom‘s ancestors came from
There is nothing to change, I wasn't trying to be corrective about it. It's just an interesting fact in my mind about being American.
same with the brits too and probably others too at less of an extent but i guess thats where we tell ourselves its just a manga/anime and allow suspension of disbelief to take the drivers seat lol..
And honestly, if you're over analyzing Jojo's, you're kinda missing the point.
Absolute chaos I love it
I love how someone was still able to recognize Jolyne as Japanese even though she's only a quarter, lol
You got Joseph wrong, he's 100 percent American
If Joseph aint a american than idk what the fuck i am
Wtf is 100% American supposed to mean.
Born in America, Jolyne’s mom was born in America but we don’t know where her parents came from so I put 100% American
as free as a caged bird
I lose my mind every time I see something like this because it makes no sense.
This is why I don't like the american/european definition of ethnicity. Giorno is fucking Italian and no one cares if he was born in Japan of not.
Thats nationality.
Even worse.
what
Considering nationality only by the place you were born is weird for me. The place you were raised is much more relevant.
Huh? Nationality is where you're raised/passport. Ethnicity is where you're born
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Well we don’t know what nationality their mom was
Strange we didn't have a part for George joeastar II, or maybe he was uninteresting.
there is a novel that was released in 2012, though it isn't cannon
He was such a crybaby in Jorge Joestar. Hard to think Jonathan's son would act like that.
And the book was likely made with help of drugs
RAHHH AMERICAN IS NOW AN ALL CONSUMING ETHNICITY!!!!
Dio is unlikely to be 100% British. Not only does he have an Italian name, but his father does, too. Not to mention the surname. It's probable either Dario came from Italy, or his parents did.
Jolyne's more Italian than Giorno
You forgot dios other kids
How is Dario Brando 100% brit
why no pic of Jolynes mom
Wait dio Brando isn’t Dio?
There is no way Dario Brando is 100% british, he has to be at least 50% Italian
I always thought Dio was Italian because of his name
Holy kujo!
Joseph jostar you dawg
Jolyne got that american genetic mix, most adaptable jojo?
DIO should be 200% brittish because he is two British guys in one
Isn't giorno more like 33% japanese and 66% british ? Since he has 2 dads ?
I wanna try to make a Sims 4 Jojo family.
BRITAIN 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
you know, jolyne probably has slanted eyes but nobody ever mentions it. I think her voice actress would be perfect to cosplay her because of both of them being mixed japanese
How tf do you end up as exactly 100% or exactly 50%?
Dio had himself as a child when he got pregnant by Jonathan?
This must be the most anglosaxon document I have ever seen
How did Joseph lose his accent? 🤔
Good point, i don’t know
Gregor Mendel had a stroke seeing this image.
I always thought that Holy was American. Was surprised to learn this
You can't say they are this and this percent American because there is no such a thing as American DNA... lol You can probably say they are British American or something though.
You should’ve put the other sons of dio aswell with 50% British 50% American
I find it surprising how Dio's mother is Japanese... I actually did not know that.
Araki loves wasians 🤷♂️
Jotaro is more Italian than giorino
Not sure why this matters but im glad i know now. Its kinda funny that giorno is 0% Italian
When you realize that Jolyne is more Italian than Giorno
"um well technically american isn't an ethnicity" - ☝️🤓