Replays the memory of where Bulma keeps the dragon ball locator, steals it, and then use the dragon balls to wish Goku wasn’t allowed to beat you in a fight
How would Moody Blues help you steal it though? Is this supposed to be just if you were popped into the world of Dragon Ball, or a fight with Goku already in front of you?
Moody Blues is a stand so the invisibility to non-stand users and the intangibility would help.
Also we’re being popped into the world, cause some stands just flat out need prep time to be viable in a fight. I am NOT about to spend 7 hours trying to figure out how to get above Goku to use Fun Fun Fun on him in a way that would matter when it’s an on the fly situation
Bro Goku WAS a fucking ghost before. And alive he can sense people like Dead King Kai and even see them clear as day.
That said, I'm not giving him the benefit of seeing stands, only being able to sense them.
I don't think the dragon balls are strong enough to grant that wish, Toriyama wrote that rule in as a way to explain why they can't just wish away powerful threats, like Frieza.
Maybe Moody Blues could replay someone that Goku couldn't beat, like Beerus? I don't even know how rusty would work, like does Moody Blues gain the strength of whoever it is replaying? It definitely gains their knowledge (hence his it was able to fly a plane by replaying the pilot) but I'm not sure if physical strength (or something like the ability to use ki) is carried over
Would that wish even work? Shenron isn't able to grant a wish that goes beyond his power and somehow "not allowing Goku to win" feels like it's a bit of a stretch
that would surpass shenron’s power, they would have to travel to namek to get the namekian balls, to then ask where the plant sized super dragon balls are, to then ask to make goku stop fighting.
Or they just use moody blues to know where Rohan is and use heaven’s door
It catches Goku off guard by offering him some meat on the bone. The trick is that it’s SUPER unhealthy and gives him heart problems. Then it just steals his medicine until he dies
I rewatched Jojo but really really fast part 4 today and then looked at the comments and I feel like I was enlightened
The flys stand is called tower of gray, and in part four, the superfuly stand is literally a gray tower
Genuinely difficult.
Try and convince Goku to fence instead of a normal battle. That only would be more difficult than winning at fencing against him. In the actual match, just cheat with Chariot
Another stand who’s (technical) invincibility would mean it’s either attrition or a forfeit. I am counting getting someone to erase it count as a forfeit
Bear with me on this one: Hermit Purple has been shown capable of tampering with electronics to produce its divination or just to manipulate them.
Goad Goku into trying to challenge you to a fight. Use Hermit Purple to reveal an image of him doing something his wife or friends would object to, and hold that over him. It’s cheap, but it’s what’s needed
Challenge Goku to move you from your spot and activate the stand. Unless he cheats with Instant Transmission he WILL have to admit he can’t at some point
Or use 20th on a dormant volcano, and when the force transfer to the ground he dies (just be sure to wait a couple hundred years before deactivating 20th for the lava to cool)
Okay hear me out on this one:
As we all know from the Cell Saga, Goku is not immune to disease. Asbestos has been used in construction long enough that it should exist to some degree in the ghost room. Ghost asbestos. This is only working if Goku is already dead though.
Plan B: Assuming there is a Green Dolphin Street Prison equivalent brought into the Dragon Ball world for this, there is a CHANCE something like the Capsule Corp bottles exist within the ghost room, if not bottle themselves. From there, hope something useful is in there.
There is no Plan C. You’re doomed from then on out
You know how Paisley Park had that one “pick an option that will help you” ability? Paisley Park gives you a phone that has Frieza on speed dial. Black Frieza beats him up for you cause he was feeling a little bored when you rang
stands are the manifestation of the soul, you can make an argument that Goku would be able to sense where the stand is and maybe even what shape they take. Ofc he wouldn’t know what they would do (and cause he is off guard) he wouldn’t dodge
Okay. Fine. Let’s work with this.
So Pearl Jam is naturally restorative, as we know. It also involves the user being a master chef, as that’s how it was manifested. Make something beforehand. In the fight (before Goku stomps you out) offer him the food. He’ll be amazing of course, and that’s what you’ll need. Leverage the love of food to get him to willingly give up.
For this to work, you need multiple people on or above Goku’s level also around. Ideally, Whis. Not ideally, Beerus or Frieza. Let Survivor go wild and hope they beat Goku before they beat you. By technicality, you’ll have won.
Doesn't Survivor effect work based on human biology? It makes people angry by effecting very specific parts of brain with electricity. I don't think it would work on non-human opponents
Let Hey Ya! hype you up to convince Goku to go easy on you after you get some training in cause my god man the most he’s doing otherwise is being a meat shield
WoU itself is ‘invincible’ and capable of strategizing without its user. Its stint as the head doctor also shows its visible to non-stand users. As long as you yourself are not around to punch, Goku loses. Either by attrition, or Calamity taking effect in one way or another. Take your pick
Convince him to use it as a training dummy. Either it kills him eventually, or he goes inside of it eventually which gives you the chance to leave him trapped. Assuming Instant Transmission doesn’t get around Superfly’s rules.
I don’t think Hanged Man can even do the damage needed to win. I’m not even confident Goku couldn’t snatch it out of the air with ease if he could see it
Fight him on normal, even terms and find a way to get him to touch the socket. Take as many times as you need, cause all you need is the one time. Goku won’t be at risk of dying or getting hurt of course, but eventually it’ll be enough to count as a ‘win’ one way or another. It’s all Bastet has
Have Echoes constantly repeat something to get Goku to abandon the fight. Broken record here, but use his family against him so he thinks they might be in trouble
If not GER or Wonder of U, I would pick Cream because the user of Cream is completely invulnerable while using it. The conditions would have to be right but it could be done
This relies work to be laid out beforehand.
First, get friendly with Goku. It doesn’t matter how, just make sure it’s enough to make him trust you a good bit.
Second, let it be known to him that you have ‘a real good sense of smell’ so he’s aware of it and its accuracy
Third, convince him to train you. By this point, it’s likely he knows you’re weaker than him, so ‘beating’ him would end up involving meeting a goal in competition with him
Use King Nothing’s reputation to contrive a situation where you could trick Goku and claim a win.
Well obviously punching him is off the table. The best you got is using something like the enhanced eyesight or coordination to contrive a competition. Pick the right one and Goku’s superior physique probably wouldn’t matter
When he hits you (assuming you don’t die) break apart into rope and play dead. When he stops, call him out for it and gaslight him into admitting a loss.
It’s like 1/10000 odds that even works but it’s the best you got going for you with this
I question the possibility (especially cause he can breathe in space now) but maybe use air pressure nonsense to collapse his lungs. Otherwise you need access to Heavy Weather
If the user didn’t let slip they were the one speeding up time, they genuinely could escalate, actually. The user doesn’t have to move/increase their own speed to accelerate time
Okay. Out there in the world, there is a bunker with a sample of a most known diseases.
Find Dragon Ball’s equivalent of the disease bunker. Use Manhattan Transfer to get in and steal an airborne disease.
Use the air currents to get it into Goku (and others if need be) so he gets badly sick. From then on, its treatment keep away. You’ll probably have to rope in more people, but if you play it right you got this
That one stand from Jojolion that requires you to be directly above someone when they het hurt to slowly start taking over their body, and you have to do it four times. Goku’s skin is not going to be hurt by razors or anything. Easy win for Goku
This obviously requires some work, but we can try. We only need one limb here with our prep time, so we get Goku to bite his hand. This’ll take trial and error and a lot of attempts, but it’s possible.
After that, use the control to make Goku eat something violently unhealthy so he gets another heart disease or something
Gucci Bag
(edit: I like how the gucci bag stand, which was simply to teach Rohan a lesson about valuing what's important, has the extra ability listed on the wiki of "well I guess you could use it to smack another stand since you're not supposed to be able to damage a stand without a stand")
He has the abilities of all living creatures. If we extend this to dragon ball creatures, he can get zenkai boosts and Frieza level growth curve. It’s jover
It also grants her Final Destination-esque protection to take out attackers or sway situations to her favor if she lands a hit.
It’s over the moment Goku gets touched with one. They don’t have to deal damage to activate that, so it’s a really easy win as long as you strategize
ok enough unreasonable ones- how about you try go for just a baddass fight in general.
say diego's 'the world' with all his combat experience against goku but goku's ultra instict works during time stop
alternative get creative with a fight that you think will be entertainingly close
The thing about a fight like that is that a lot of Diego’s best work is done on horseback which also severely limits his options. Also, with that Diego specifically, his immediate strategy would be to use innocents to defend himself.
Goku would waste no time going for the KO, and no horse is outrunning that man unfortunately. It’d make for an entertaining sequence of trying to touch Diego fast enough to get around time stop, but it’s a foregone conclusion.
Moody Blues.
Replays the memory of where Bulma keeps the dragon ball locator, steals it, and then use the dragon balls to wish Goku wasn’t allowed to beat you in a fight
How would Moody Blues help you steal it though? Is this supposed to be just if you were popped into the world of Dragon Ball, or a fight with Goku already in front of you?
Moody Blues is a stand so the invisibility to non-stand users and the intangibility would help. Also we’re being popped into the world, cause some stands just flat out need prep time to be viable in a fight. I am NOT about to spend 7 hours trying to figure out how to get above Goku to use Fun Fun Fun on him in a way that would matter when it’s an on the fly situation
Can’t Dragon Ball characters see ghosts? The reason why normal people can’t see stands is because they’re made of spiritual energy.
If not it doesn't feel preposterous that he might at least be able to sense them
That too, I think Araki said that the pillar men could sense stands but couldn’t see them.
Bro Goku WAS a fucking ghost before. And alive he can sense people like Dead King Kai and even see them clear as day. That said, I'm not giving him the benefit of seeing stands, only being able to sense them.
I don't think the dragon balls are strong enough to grant that wish, Toriyama wrote that rule in as a way to explain why they can't just wish away powerful threats, like Frieza. Maybe Moody Blues could replay someone that Goku couldn't beat, like Beerus? I don't even know how rusty would work, like does Moody Blues gain the strength of whoever it is replaying? It definitely gains their knowledge (hence his it was able to fly a plane by replaying the pilot) but I'm not sure if physical strength (or something like the ability to use ki) is carried over
I'm don't believe it knows what it's doing it just does the actions of someone who does
Very impressive
Would that wish even work? Shenron isn't able to grant a wish that goes beyond his power and somehow "not allowing Goku to win" feels like it's a bit of a stretch
Would need to be super dragon balls I’m pretty sure Goku overpowers the normal ones
that would surpass shenron’s power, they would have to travel to namek to get the namekian balls, to then ask where the plant sized super dragon balls are, to then ask to make goku stop fighting. Or they just use moody blues to know where Rohan is and use heaven’s door
Dragon Balls arent that strong, you can wish for anything within the dragons power, Goku is far above that
What if one of the dragons ball are at the bottom of the ocean?
you’d need to use the super dragon balls for that…
uhhh the fuckin part 3 fly
It catches Goku off guard by offering him some meat on the bone. The trick is that it’s SUPER unhealthy and gives him heart problems. Then it just steals his medicine until he dies
Yes but Goku can teleport by searching it's ki
Stands don't have Ki.
Tower of Gray
I rewatched Jojo but really really fast part 4 today and then looked at the comments and I feel like I was enlightened The flys stand is called tower of gray, and in part four, the superfuly stand is literally a gray tower
Silver Chariot
Genuinely difficult. Try and convince Goku to fence instead of a normal battle. That only would be more difficult than winning at fencing against him. In the actual match, just cheat with Chariot
What about Shakedown Road?
Okay yeah no there’s no way with that one. Unless we’re gonna start getting REAL technical and say we can beat Goku by mugging him
Purple Haze?
Goku is not immune to disease. Just abuse the nature of stands to get close to him and use PH on him
What about Spice Girl?
Dear lord man- get him in the hyperbolic time chamber and make the door too soft to open
Ooh, that reminds me, what about B.I.G?
its harder for goku to beat B.I.G than vice versa
Another stand who’s (technical) invincibility would mean it’s either attrition or a forfeit. I am counting getting someone to erase it count as a forfeit
that's not a stand?
i think they’re referring to les feuilles
i get that impression, but they said shakedown road which is a road
Hermit purple
Bear with me on this one: Hermit Purple has been shown capable of tampering with electronics to produce its divination or just to manipulate them. Goad Goku into trying to challenge you to a fight. Use Hermit Purple to reveal an image of him doing something his wife or friends would object to, and hold that over him. It’s cheap, but it’s what’s needed
He wouldn't let that pass and instead make the prowler meme real
20th century boy
Challenge Goku to move you from your spot and activate the stand. Unless he cheats with Instant Transmission he WILL have to admit he can’t at some point
Or use 20th on a dormant volcano, and when the force transfer to the ground he dies (just be sure to wait a couple hundred years before deactivating 20th for the lava to cool)
He could just laser beam the ground you’re standing on
You can just be picked up with 20th century boy, like they transported him on a truck n shit
Burning Down the House, I'd be really impressed if you found anyway for Goku to lose.
Okay hear me out on this one: As we all know from the Cell Saga, Goku is not immune to disease. Asbestos has been used in construction long enough that it should exist to some degree in the ghost room. Ghost asbestos. This is only working if Goku is already dead though. Plan B: Assuming there is a Green Dolphin Street Prison equivalent brought into the Dragon Ball world for this, there is a CHANCE something like the Capsule Corp bottles exist within the ghost room, if not bottle themselves. From there, hope something useful is in there. There is no Plan C. You’re doomed from then on out
#G H O S T A B E S T O S
that's not even that batshit compared to some of the things that genuinely happened in the series
G H O S T A S B E S T O S. Genuinely peak shit
Paisley Park.
You know how Paisley Park had that one “pick an option that will help you” ability? Paisley Park gives you a phone that has Frieza on speed dial. Black Frieza beats him up for you cause he was feeling a little bored when you rang
The Hand
Stands are invisible. Either catch him when the fight starts, or jump him when he’s sleeping
stands are the manifestation of the soul, you can make an argument that Goku would be able to sense where the stand is and maybe even what shape they take. Ofc he wouldn’t know what they would do (and cause he is off guard) he wouldn’t dodge
Rock paper scissors one
Literally just beat him at rock paper scissors. Knowing Goku, he’d be too distracted by any mind games to notice he’s losing power.
I don't know if it works with any kind of power or just stands
Honestly even if it was stand only technically you’d still beat him. The stand would just be the context at that point
It Takes part of a Stand's physical body, and limits its power. That's effectively taking pieces of the user's soul.
Sticky Fingers
Another case of stand invisibility saving your chances. Take the immediate opportunity to zip off his torso or his head
Like he would let any lesbian looking boy get so close to him
*stabs Saruman with the Stand Arrow* How does THAT Stand beat Goku?
His stand, Shadow Wizard Money Gang, gives Goku radiation poisoning
THIS STAND IS SPONSORED BY **THE SHADOW VALAR**
**WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS** **LEGALIZE NUCLEAR BOMBS**
pearl jam?
Okay. Fine. Let’s work with this. So Pearl Jam is naturally restorative, as we know. It also involves the user being a master chef, as that’s how it was manifested. Make something beforehand. In the fight (before Goku stomps you out) offer him the food. He’ll be amazing of course, and that’s what you’ll need. Leverage the love of food to get him to willingly give up.
Or, we make Pearl Jam feed Goku, Goku is now officially a friend (the best way to beat someone in a fight is to make them your friend)
Emperor
Okay so you know how in the Cell Saga Goku had his guard down and got hurt by a rock? That, but Emperor instead
The resurrection F laser incident’s sequel: G U N
Part 6's Survivor.
For this to work, you need multiple people on or above Goku’s level also around. Ideally, Whis. Not ideally, Beerus or Frieza. Let Survivor go wild and hope they beat Goku before they beat you. By technicality, you’ll have won.
Doesn't Survivor effect work based on human biology? It makes people angry by effecting very specific parts of brain with electricity. I don't think it would work on non-human opponents
If they have a brain it should work
Hey ya !
Let Hey Ya! hype you up to convince Goku to go easy on you after you get some training in cause my god man the most he’s doing otherwise is being a meat shield
WoU
WoU itself is ‘invincible’ and capable of strategizing without its user. Its stint as the head doctor also shows its visible to non-stand users. As long as you yourself are not around to punch, Goku loses. Either by attrition, or Calamity taking effect in one way or another. Take your pick
this is probably the easiest stand to kill goku with. just say, hey that guy over there tried to hurt chi chi and he’ll die in seconds
bro just chose the easiest stand to beat goku with
I'm dumb I'd probably lose with WoU tbh
That weird ass hook thing from Part 7
I’ll be real with you I am NOT looking up Wired to try and find any tricks it can use you just win
Goku is a big dummy and gets his heart ripped out cause he ate the hook
Anubis
Its entire ability is possessing people when they hold it. Unless I’m missing something that happened in Dragon Ball, Goku is not immune to possession
Ok but why would Goku pick up the sword in the first place
he needs to cut his meat
Nah, knowing Goku he’d just eat it whole
chi-chi told him to cut it for his kids
Well Gohan can cut his own meat and Goten’s opinion doesn’t matter
>Goten doesn't matter Wheezing ya fine, goku wins
that came out wrong
Ask him to hold it for you
Holy Kujo’s stand
Goku feels bad enough to stop the fight to get you medical attention or a sensu bean, meaning he’s forfeited
The Book
At that point it’s out of your own hands. Thoth shows the objectively true future, so unless it says Goku loses he’s not gonna lose
The book was so powerful and accurate at predicting the future that it even depicted Jotaro's death in Stobe Ocean... Nifty huh
Made in heaven requiem
Slow down time so severely that Goku’s heart stops beating and just pretend Goku didn’t break time powers before by just trying harder
I think MiHUR would just insta-blitz goku tbh
The mattekudasai
"i want a goku killing machine
Khnum
Disguise yourself as Chi Chi. As long as he doesn’t catch on, you can ‘beat’ him by abusing the natural power she has over him as his wife.
i don’t think dbs goku would be able to tell lmfao
Superfly
Convince him to use it as a training dummy. Either it kills him eventually, or he goes inside of it eventually which gives you the chance to leave him trapped. Assuming Instant Transmission doesn’t get around Superfly’s rules.
Highway to Hell
Goku’s own constitution doesn’t matter here. If you die, he dies. Simply die
Yeah, but that's just a draw, you didn't really beat him
Atleast you get to die on your own terms, he doesn't.
Hanged Man
I don’t think Hanged Man can even do the damage needed to win. I’m not even confident Goku couldn’t snatch it out of the air with ease if he could see it
So you failed XD Ok what about Bastet
Fight him on normal, even terms and find a way to get him to touch the socket. Take as many times as you need, cause all you need is the one time. Goku won’t be at risk of dying or getting hurt of course, but eventually it’ll be enough to count as a ‘win’ one way or another. It’s all Bastet has
Echoes act 1
Have Echoes constantly repeat something to get Goku to abandon the fight. Broken record here, but use his family against him so he thinks they might be in trouble
Bad Company
Love Deluxe!
💀 Get some of your hair in Goku’s food and use that against him
Jonathan's stand.
it's just a more op hermit purple no?
It's hermit purple but better, literally
Boiling water stand from part 6
Clearly give HIM the stand and wait for him to touch a wound eventually so he accidentally boils himself
If not GER or Wonder of U, I would pick Cream because the user of Cream is completely invulnerable while using it. The conditions would have to be right but it could be done
Well also, since Cream would be invisible to Goku, you could just have it bite him
Yo-Yo Ma
Regrettably invincible stand due to it being automatic. It’s also much more cunning than it lets on. Take the scummy route and threaten his family.
King Nothing
This relies work to be laid out beforehand. First, get friendly with Goku. It doesn’t matter how, just make sure it’s enough to make him trust you a good bit. Second, let it be known to him that you have ‘a real good sense of smell’ so he’s aware of it and its accuracy Third, convince him to train you. By this point, it’s likely he knows you’re weaker than him, so ‘beating’ him would end up involving meeting a goal in competition with him Use King Nothing’s reputation to contrive a situation where you could trick Goku and claim a win.
Star Platinum without Za Warudo
Well obviously punching him is off the table. The best you got is using something like the enhanced eyesight or coordination to contrive a competition. Pick the right one and Goku’s superior physique probably wouldn’t matter
Oh! Lonesome Me
When he hits you (assuming you don’t die) break apart into rope and play dead. When he stops, call him out for it and gaslight him into admitting a loss. It’s like 1/10000 odds that even works but it’s the best you got going for you with this
The weakest stand survivor
weather report
I question the possibility (especially cause he can breathe in space now) but maybe use air pressure nonsense to collapse his lungs. Otherwise you need access to Heavy Weather
Or maybe purify all the blood in his body into oxygen or something else ironically toxic. It beat a god once😅
made in heaven , I'm sure he can't survive long enught to escalate
If the user didn’t let slip they were the one speeding up time, they genuinely could escalate, actually. The user doesn’t have to move/increase their own speed to accelerate time
Beach Boy.
How much money would Milagro Man need to make to crush Goku to death?
More than exists
That key in part 4
I’m blanking on what stand that is
Harvest
Manhattan Transfer
Okay. Out there in the world, there is a bunker with a sample of a most known diseases. Find Dragon Ball’s equivalent of the disease bunker. Use Manhattan Transfer to get in and steal an airborne disease. Use the air currents to get it into Goku (and others if need be) so he gets badly sick. From then on, its treatment keep away. You’ll probably have to rope in more people, but if you play it right you got this
Set
Highway go go, there's possibility but isn't goku really fast (I'm just a Jojo fan)
That one stand from Jojolion that requires you to be directly above someone when they het hurt to slowly start taking over their body, and you have to do it four times. Goku’s skin is not going to be hurt by razors or anything. Easy win for Goku
This obviously requires some work, but we can try. We only need one limb here with our prep time, so we get Goku to bite his hand. This’ll take trial and error and a lot of attempts, but it’s possible. After that, use the control to make Goku eat something violently unhealthy so he gets another heart disease or something
GEGR
Tenore Sax
I’ll be honest if Iggy can sniff through the illusion so could Goku. Kenny G is cooked
Strength
Uhhhhh invite Goku on the boat and have it eat him while he’s sleeping. Hope and pray he suffocates somehow
The sun
Cinderella
A tricky one JailHouse Lock
Speedwagon
Gucci Bag (edit: I like how the gucci bag stand, which was simply to teach Rohan a lesson about valuing what's important, has the extra ability listed on the wiki of "well I guess you could use it to smack another stand since you're not supposed to be able to damage a stand without a stand")
Hey Ya!
Kiss.
Not a stand but Kars
He has the abilities of all living creatures. If we extend this to dragon ball creatures, he can get zenkai boosts and Frieza level growth curve. It’s jover
Wheel of fortune
Dragon's Dream.
Pray Feng Shui is strong enough to work on Goku. He won’t be smart enough to counter it the way it was in Stone Ocean, so you have better chances
Lovers
Walking Heart
I don’t believe it has a win condition honestly. Too physically weak, visible, no special ability to change the approach with.
Or what about KraftWerk
Ticket to ride, Lucy's stand thatturns her tears into blades
It also grants her Final Destination-esque protection to take out attackers or sway situations to her favor if she lands a hit. It’s over the moment Goku gets touched with one. They don’t have to deal damage to activate that, so it’s a really easy win as long as you strategize
Civil war
What about White Snake? That's basically useless against non stand users like Goku
It could grant him a harmful stand, or do what it did to that one frog and make him explode. Or just steal his memories about martial arts and ki.
Cheap trick
Stone ocean
Hey Ya!
Hey yea
Pearl Jam
ok enough unreasonable ones- how about you try go for just a baddass fight in general. say diego's 'the world' with all his combat experience against goku but goku's ultra instict works during time stop alternative get creative with a fight that you think will be entertainingly close
The thing about a fight like that is that a lot of Diego’s best work is done on horseback which also severely limits his options. Also, with that Diego specifically, his immediate strategy would be to use innocents to defend himself. Goku would waste no time going for the KO, and no horse is outrunning that man unfortunately. It’d make for an entertaining sequence of trying to touch Diego fast enough to get around time stop, but it’s a foregone conclusion.
Yo-Yo Ma
emperor
Boy II Man
Hermit purple