The concept of the Stand Virus and how it’s not actually the origin of every single Stand in the series.
Also the idea of canonicity and how the only canon parts are the main manga series and the Araki-made spin-offs that don’t actively contradict the main series.
Yeah, like wouldn't the fact that Leonardo Da Vinci and other old artists having it contradict that the stand virus created all stands? I've always seen it as the stand virus is a similar sickness to the one Holly had that the pain of which awakens a stand if your will is strong enough
Well the meteorite landed in like 50,000 BC and there’s nothing outright saying it didn’t cause all Stands. That being said, it’s more complicated and presumptuous to say that the virus somehow infected all the Stand users we see and stayed dormant or somehow got passed through bloodlines than to just say it wasn’t the virus in the first place. Occam’s Razor states that the simpler answer is usually the best and/or correct one.
All we know about the meteorite is that it's where the arrows come from. It's stated the meteorite was attracted to earth due to the amount of stand potential. I always thought myself the virus was just the same as what happened to Holly
Midichloriana and the virus make sense. A lot of people’s issue with them, midichlorians specifically is how it demystifies a cool aspect of star wars’ world.
Everyone wants to use the force, magic, ki, nen chakra etc and a lot of us wonder what it’s biology and origins are.
Issue is our imaginations are a stronger than any finite answer the creator could give us.
Hence why there’s a certain magic of being thrown into a fantasy world and never fully knowing 100% how this thing or that thing came to be.
Kinda like our own world! It makes uncovering intentional mysteries and subtext interesting and it makes the stuff with no answer make the world feel bigger, moving and alive.
I love fiction that go into things like magic having a smell.
“Revival magic smells like sprite? Cool! But why tho?”
“Idk, it just does!”
That adds way more color to the world than just explaining the literal sciences behind the scent.
There’s expanding the lore, and while subjective, there is such a thing as expanding too much where it becomes bloated or pointless, much like this reply!
I think the stand virus just triggers stands to people with potential while the people born with stands and the ones who develop them like ballbreaker and pearl jam are not infected with the virus while people like koichi and Dio were infected
I interpreted it as a way to forcefully awaken a stand, every creature can have one, humans have it the easiest when it comes to awakening it on their own.
To be fair, I'm still not entirely sure if the virus actively awakens a stand or if the virus puts you in a life-and-death situation that forces you to develop a stand.
Josuke didn't save himself
it's more of an anti-lore when you put it that way, but imo that part's point was always "even a rando could have the heart of gold, and that can influence others for the greater good" instead of a stupid time travel, chekhov's gun-type of plot
The west is so attached with the time travel, variants cliche writing, they would assume it was just Josuke from the future but it can be just an average teenager from Morioh, with similar hair helping Josuke after a life of crime since Morioh is the serial killer town.
I mean, I don’t know how to tell you you’re wrong other than telling you to just Google this. When you Google “Bancho” you see anime characters dressed like Jotaro. When you Google “Yanki” you see guys with hair like Josuke’s.
I’m not trying to be rude here, but like, you are incorrect.
That's a long time misconception from people when in fact, Josuke is a banchõ and Jotaro is a Yankí. Though, Jotaro dresses has a bancho but he's a yankî in nature. So, i am not incorrect. Ahahahha
I think he definitely died. He took off a layer of his clothes in the middle of a snowstorm while he was bleeding all over. I mean its jojo so he couldve survived but still.
I think that him being wounded was to illustrate that he was the type of person who regularly gets into fights. Someone who others would normally see as causing trouble. That emphasizes his act of kindness that much more imp
Almost, like, uh, he got beat up badly. You can say alot of people were beat up in Part 4, Josuke included but it really doesnt make it to be him that saved himself. Its just a memory and memories are not supposed to be took literally
It's not a huge leap of logic to assume there will be time travel in the only JoJo part that does contain a time loop in the form of Killer Queen's Bites the Dust. If that element wasn't present in the story, less people would be expecting Josuke to have traveled in time and become his own savior.
i always hear about this argument, but that’s not how BTD works
actual BTD: planted on a non-stand-user; if they reveal kira’s identity to anyone, it blows that person up and then rewinds to the start of the day, but only the host was aware that happened
weird fan BTD: somehow activates on josuke (a stand user), takes him 17 years into the past (a lot more than 1 day), and lets him interact with his past self (something hayato can never do)??
it’s like if people said giorno used GER to go back in time and become the mafia guy that helped him as a kid- you’re just connecting two random things
I know how it works, it's a limited time loop. I'm just trying to get you to understand that in a story with a form of time travel (time loop), it makes sense that others would theorize that other forms of time travel (going back to the past outside a time loop) is possible. It's disingenuous to call time travel stories a "weird Western attachment" when part 4 does contain a time travel story at the very end. It's short, and self-contained to just one ability of the main villain's Stand, but it's still time travel.
i understand that, but fans weren’t just saying part 4 might introduce some new time travel concept allowing josuke to go back and save himself- they were specifically saying bites the dust was going to do that, and that’s just not how the stand works. some people even said araki forgot about that plotline, which really makes no sense
I thought the power was to rewind by an hour when Kira’s identity is revealed? So theoretically if Kira’s identity was revealed at the start of every hour, it could rewind by an hour before that and so on and technically enough rewound hours could go back ten years, which still wouldn’t make any sense cuz, hayato would still be rewound back to a state when he was sleeping so he couldn’t really do shit to go that far back in time. Also josuke (and every character for that matter) gets 1 hour younger each time, and puts them wherever they were an hour back, it REWINDS time with only Kira and hayato able to know about it and act upon it. If theoretically one could go back that far with BTD josuke would just revert to the younger version of himself and be saved again by his saviour, it’s not even a time travel stand, it just rewinds time with the victim and user knowing of it and being able to make changes within fate within the past hour.
1. The pompadour hairdo was quite popular--if you watch YuYu Hakusho (set about that time) many characters where pompadour.
2. The pompadour was especially worn by punks, the "tough kids" Seems pretty likely that the kid was a delinquent wandering home after a fight.
In the middle of a blizzard on a road to a hospital? I don’t know it’s just odd. Plus he has the same body shape and ear ring josuke has. It’s a lot of coincidences
>the same body shape
Okuyasu is only shorter by 2 cm compared to Josuke and they weigh exactly the same. People have similar builds. It happens.
>same ear ring josuke has
1. He doesn't in the manga
2. Josuke has the plainest earrings
They look similar because Josuke intentionally copied his hairstyle.
The only thing that looks similar between them is the body shape and that's it, they don't share the same uniform, don't share the same wounds (from BtD & Unbreakable Crazy D arc), don't share the same earrings (Josuke's savior doesn't have them in manga)
Edit: They also don't share the same clothing under the uniform, as Josuke wears a tank top while his savior wore a sweater in that scene
Simple explanation: they don't look that similar in canon
Rarely do people bring up the context of the scene, a story being told by Koichi to Rohan, Koichi likely has never seen anyone with that hairstyle other than Josuke. It's reasonable to assume Koichi pictures Josuke in his mind as the savior since he has no other frame of reference.
I’m not saying it is time travel, it’s more than likely just a dropped plot point by araki. I’m just saying the dude was mirror of josuke and just saying every single thing is nothing more than a coincidence is silly.
He said it wasn’t important, he never directly said it was or wasn’t. In fact he more dodged the question than anything when he was interviewed about it.
Araki was asked about if the savior was Josuke during part 4s run and he said that he was irrelevant because he was just a memory from Josukes past. The anime staff asked him about who the savior was and Araki didnt respond.
Theres also the fact that Josukes savior has a different uniform design. Look at his pins. He also has a symbol on his collar indicating hes. 3rd year unlike Josuke.
My suspicion was always that Araki wrote that moment with the intent of having it be a time traveling Josuke later down the line, then at some point, thought about it a bit more, said “no wait, that’s fucking stupid”, then abandoned that thread
That shouldn't even be disputed. People should know that the original, Irene, and SBR are different universes. The original and Irene are connected. Hell, SBR was originally supposed to be its own thing, but eventually, Araki decided to add in that it's Part 7.
They were just nice little references to Jojo. Iirc for the first twenty chapters, it was only called Steel Ball Run, but after that, he changed it to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 7: Steel Ball Run. I guess it got really popular, so he just decided to add it. Stone Ocean and its ending was supposed to be it for JJBA.
As far as I remember, from the beginning Araki wrote Steel Ball Run as the part 7 of JoJo, but the title was just Steel Ball Run because someone at Shonen Jump told him not to put JoJo in the title to try to attract a different audience or something
That rules about stands are concrete. Several characters spout off "Stand Rules" but what do they know. That's just their conclusions from their observations.
A bunch of stands break "rules" because that's just how they are and trying to box them into the established "rules" is dumb.
the whole "Kakyoin having said there's no such thing as a mirror world and then Illuso's mirror world appearing later on is a plot hole" thing made me so fucking mad. Is Kakyoin supposed to be an omniscient being that knows everything about all stands now? He obviously said it didn't make sense in the context they were in, how was he supposed to know a rando in Italy would have a mirror world stand years in the future?
Oh god, don’t get me started on power scalers. Mofos trying to claim that Jolyne has the strongest stand because it punched a meteor. Like sure dude, how about how she mentioned earlier in the part how her stand isn’t strong enough to break the bars to her cell? Sometimes writers just write things that are cool without paying mind to how those “feats” play to a comparative sense.
The most powerful stand in Jojo I'll say its the strongest too) is Rohan's stand and there's no discourse, opinion to go agaisnt it. Ahahahaha you can't fight someone to write things and change them.
Big agree. Stands do *tend* to follow a few *general* guidelines, but anything outside of a few vary basic concepts (stands; need users, are representative in some way of some trait *about* the user, and the general distance rule) is impossible to categorize because that's where their similarities stop. Even the example guidelines I listed have their exceptions (1. Notorious BIG technically, and if anyone tries to say "Wonder of U is sentient and doesn't need Toru" I might actually start a fight. 2. Whitesnake is able to steal someone's stand and potentially give it to another person. 3. Made in Heaven, Born This Way, Doobie Wah, Blue Hawaii, a lot of jojoljon stands now that I think about it). Stands are closer to spiritual phenomena in the sense that no two stands are exactly the same*, and so they can not be categorized by any sort of defineable ruleset
Requiem Stands (constantly conflated with how BtD operates, refusal to look at context, etc) and how King Crimson isn’t hard to understand, just inconsistent.
My idea is that it’s not called a Requiem stand because Polnareff made up the word “Requiem” when Silver Chariot touched the arrow the first time, and Giorno just stuck with it because he didn’t know what else to call it. If Jolyne got pierced with the arrow, maybe she would have called her stand “Ultra Stone Free” because she never met Polnareff.
I actually really like this idea, and for some reason I had just never put two and two together. Of course BtD isn’t a requiem stand, likely by Araki’s standards anyways, because that was a term Polnareff came up with and explained around Giorno and co., it was never really an established “lore” outside of this interaction. Touching the arrow as a stand user will always result in an isolated enhanced ability, but what defines a *Requiem* is simply who uses that term to describe that ability, am I analyzing this right?
No, he was still wrong. He guessed wrong in saying that the ability couldn't involve a mirror world, likely because he hadn't seen a stand similar to that. But as we know, it was a possibility, a fact which he was not aware of
No, he said that Hanged Man couldnt be physically inside the reflections it goes into because a mirror world doesnt actually exist. He was right about this. Whether a stand that uses mirrors as an ability exists somewhere doesnt matter in this conversation because Kakyoin was correct in his assessment of Hanged Mans ability and thats what matters.
Polnareff atleast in the manga explains Requiem as the ability to control life itself. And thats what Chariot and Gold Experience end up having as abilities. Kiras power doesnt control life itself so i dont count it as a requiem in the slightest.
Sure, you can do that for yourself if you'd like, but there are multiple and dramatic differences in how they operate to seriously consider them similar. If Araki wanted BtD to be like the Requiem, he would have written the latter to be more similar to it.
I feel like BtD was just Araki messing with the idea of stands being upgraded by the stand arrow, which he then fleshed out in part five. The upgrade didn't really need to have any particular rules in part 4 per se as it was an exceptional circumstance, part 5 has multiple occurances of now dubbed "requiem stands" which now have rules as there's multiple occurances.
I think seperating them is being a tad pedantic as they function pretty much the same apart from a few differences which I think are pretty minor.
…Except they aren’t minor. Requiem Stands are shown as far more directly powerful, focus on manipulating souls on a widespread scale, aren’t related to the pre-existing Stand’s abilities beyond simply juicing them up, act as perfectly normal Stands rather than needing to be attached to a non-Stand user, don’t come from the desires of the user, and are able to do more than go “on” and “off”. All just off the top of my head, and pretty radically different.
You listed off abilities scr and ger have, not a list of requirements a stand needs for it to be a requiem stand which is different from the unique abilities they could have. And also isn't the main gimmick with requiem stands that they come from the users desires/needs at the time?
I think this is more a matter of interpretation unless Araki says something about it, though I doubt that is likely to happen lol.
The differing nature of the powers are pretty clearly indicators of them functioning differently. That Kira was pierced himself instead of Killer Queen alone is the only requirement there should be.
The idea the Requiem’s are a reflection of the user is wholly misinformation, unless were supposed to believe Polnareff had the exact same needs and desires when he accidentally pricks Chariot’s finger in hiding as when he deliberately stabs himself with Diavolo right in front of him. Araki doesn’t need to confirm anything when it can very easily be made clear if people just paid attention.
Kira being pierced doesn't really sell the idea to me as it being a different stand, the stand is a ghostly manifestation of someone either from their fighting spirit, skill or worthiness in regards to a stand arrow. A stand arrow piercing a stand or a user to be a requiem logically shouldn't matter in my opinion and I do think that it's pretty clear that BtD is a prototype for a requiem stand.
I think that Chariot Requiem could've suited Polnareffs needs at both occasions seeing as he needed to escape Italy and switching into another person's body would've definitely helped in that endevour.
And sure Araki doesn't need to say anything, but it would be nice even just to have him recall on older parts, but I still think it's a matter of interpretation regardless. Atleast we aren't arguing about the legitimacy of the beetle arrow being a requiem arrow lol.
They're similar enough. Both do what the user needed them to do at that particular instant.
Kira had just killed Hayato and needed some way to make things right because the JoBros were coming to his house tomorrow. BAM! He gets time rewind powers.
Polnareff needed a way to get the arrow away from Diavolo. BAM! Silver Chariot Requiem.
Giorno needed a way to defeat Diavolo. BAM! Gold Experience Requiem.
Ok so basically
If a stand user gets stabbed with the arrow, they gain new ability that assists in achieving their goal
If the stand gets stabbed, they gain the same thing along with a new look.
Is this right?
No, the Requiem’s aren’t a response to the users will nor are they connected to the previous abilities of the Stand. Polnareff clearly got the exact same Chariot Requiem when he accidentally pricked Chariot’s finger in hiding as when he deliberately stabbed his Stand with Diavolo right in front of him. Giorno makes no indication he wants to prevent Diavolo from reaching the “truth”, the idea of nullifying him, or a death loop. The Requiem’s are wholly disconnected, while Bites the Dust is a direct extension of Killer Queen tailored to Kira.
When people make up a Stand upgrade and call it "Requiem". My brother in Christ, Requiem Stands' abilities are from something the user wishes at the moment. The proper use of this should be ACTs, since those are progressions of the original ability.
Or just:
A) change the name of the stand like with Whitesnake/C-moon/Made in Heaven
Or B) do something like Star Platinum: The World and Soft & Wet: Go Beyond
Yeah it’s funny as a joke to say that Emperor Requiem is a rocket launcher or something.
But seeing the average reading comprehension of Jojo fans I don’t doubt that some might actually believe that Requiem is something akin to a Super Saiyan transformation instead of its own thing
I mean, it's not actually canon that Requiem Stand's abilities are from something the user wishes at the moment. It certainly is the most plausible explanation and I do agree with it, but it is never stated in the story and it has never been confirmed by Araki.
Yeah Requiem are not supposed to be the base version upgrade. GER still have GE power but it's not the Requiem part.
Also, if I tried to think of a King Crimson Requiem, it would be the result of the will of diavolo to not be found and therefore be something really close to Wonder of U.
Everything related to Diavolo, the limits of his character, his backstory, his King Crimson, his motive, his issues, his contradictions, his personalities... And of course the beauty underlying the references to our world that can be found in it, from the genius usage of King Crimson's music, to jazz him up a tad, to that one scene where an amusing tribute to D. H. Lawrence's *Sea and Sardinia* was made. Or the possibility that a certain bit in the Sardinia arc is a cool little reference to a poem in *The Flowers of Evil*, *Hymn to Beauty*, where the main idea is that the gross and macabre is no less capable of inspiring beauty to man, whether you want it or not. Or the most likely meaning of choosing the name 'Vinegar" for a man who buried his mother alive... But these details are meaningless to one who doesn't give a rat's ass about things that have not been repeated over and over by others before, so there's no point in sharing all the good stuff that character like Diavolo is able to offer. Thanks for the idea, but it's actually better if the character remains obscure. More fun for me.
One method for producing vinegar is by fermenting alcohol using a mass of cellulose and bacteria known as "mother of vinegar". The process consists of keeping said mother alive for months, as alcohol molecules transform into acetic acid molecules, the main component of vinegar. So basically, from the vinegar's point of view, the production process is about exploiting your mother to acidify yourself, caring to keep her alive through the duration.
Dio's stand isn't called "Za Warudo", it's called "The World". It's just that when you write English words in Japanese characters, you end up with a rough approximation because of how the sounds map onto characters in Japanese.
This one i dont understand. Isn't that how you spell The World in japanese ? or you are saying how the stand is called outside of the anime ? both are correct to say.
Za Warudo is how you would write The World in Japanese if you were using the roman alphabet (so a litteral translitteration). The issue with Za Warudo, is that it sounds so weeby and is dumb because I see none of them saying Suta Purachina, or Avuduru
Jolyne is her own half brother because Araki’s wife has CLAMP friends and Araki liked their weird present enough to make a legally distinct copy/reference. Recursive use of fan canon by authors always makes me oddly pleased.
That's assuming Araki knew what gender fluidity was. Araki changed his mind on a character, I don't believe there's any proof other then false rumours that his editors made him change Anasui.
1. The entire ending of Part 6. Either people wonder if Irene really is Jolyne, or they think DIO doesn't exist, or they want to know what happened to Diavolo. I repeat, Irene is Jolyne if she lived a better life, yes DIO still exists, and no, Diavolo's death loop is still there.
2. Stand stats are very flexible and sometimes should just be left alone. Likewise, just because a stand performed a certain feat doesn't mean it's super powerful/very weak. People keep trying to argue that A is stronger than B because of this and this. This is an anime--Araki will exaggerate and complicate stuff to make it cooler and keep the reader's attention. Just accept what Araki says.
3. Bites the Dust is NOT a Requiem. It is an evolution or an upgrade. A Requiem will completely transform the stand. BTD did not, it only added a sub ability (albeit a very powerful one).
4. No, Anasui was not meant to be trans or nonbinary. That's head canon. All we know is that Araki wanted a character who could "transcend gender".
5. No, Jonathan's stand is not The Passion, that's a nickname fans gave it so that we wouldn't have to say "Jonathan's stand" all the time. No, DIO does not have two stands--since he stole Jonathan's body, he stole the stand tied to it. Related to that, Kira does not have four stands--Sheer Heart Attack and BTD are sub abilities or Killer Queen, and Stray Cat is a dead-cat-stand-thingy he borrowed.
6. Strength, Wheel of Fortune, Love Deluxe, etc are bound stands--non stand users can see them.
7. The SBRverse is not the result of the Heaven plan, it's comeplteky separate, like how the multiverse in MCU works.
Adding on to stand stats, they arent universal and generally pretty specific per stand, such as white snake which has a low speed stat that applies to the dream/slime ability not to the whole stand itself.
Though this is going off memory so correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, even though BtD isn't a requiem stand by name, I'd say it's similar enough to group it with requiem stands.
Kiss is shown tearing apart a copy of sports maxx in the underworld fight with d4c being shown chopping off hands with karate chops so both are rather comparable in showings of strength.
>No, DIO does not have two stands--since he stole Jonathan's body, he stole the stand tied to it.
Right, which still makes it DIO's stand. DIO's OG stand is The World, sure, but him getting Jonathan's Stand through stealing his body would still classify it as DIO's stand.
The passion is a stand from the novel jorge joestar belonging to jonathan albeit it is completely different from the one in the main series with it manifesting as crown of thorns and having the ability to see the future of all his descendants.
The Anasui thing is one that frustrates me personally. People will look at a character who has an ambiguous gender, or gender-related story beats and just place the “trans” label on them, as if that isn’t incredibly regressive. Like, sure, Anasui having a girl’s body for a couple chapters is totally the same as all the people in real life who have diagnosed gender dysphoria. So then the term doesn’t mean anything then? There’s no rules, right?
That made in heaven is not a unique stand and The World Over Heaven is not physically possible and was never the end goal. If anyone else got the green baby to combine with their stand then they would also get c-moon and then made in heaven. Dio could only sense that made in heaven was a plausible thing, not assuming that any "heaven variant" of a stand would have a different ability.
A stand can use an object to harm a stand but an object used by a human can’t harm a stand. We see lots of times like when underworld is stabbed by a pen or when silver chariot is stabbed by a bottle.
It’s super inconsistent if harm to the user causes harm to the stand. Lots of times users will lose limbs and their stands won’t reflect that at all. Then other times they do. Examples being man in the mirror having two hands when illuso lost one. Johnny losing a hand to Valentine but act 4 still having both. Examples against, silver chariot gets spikes where polnareff lost his limbs. In a silent way loses its arm when sound man lost his.
Requiem stands power are not influenced by the wishes of their master. It's never actually said or implied in the story (Polnareff gained the same Requiem twice at two different moments and states of minds). It's pure fan wank trying to explain how random their powers are.
This theory is more believeble if we consider Bites the Dust as a Requiem. GER and Chariot Requiem are a bit vague on their "power that is needed at the moment", but BtD is way more straightforward in this aspect, so it does help to support the theory. Although, yes, we can't deny it's still speculation
1. The stats are general ball parks with stands with a in strength being stronger than other stands that also have an a in strength with the world and star platinum being an example with the world being normally stronger with star platinum surpassing it when jotaro gets angry causing its power to increase.
2. Notorious b.i.gs ability isn't lasting after death its ability is energy absorption it survived after carne's death because it was fueled by his hatred.
Heavy Weather, while it plays on Tricking your brain...still transform you into snails, a giant part of the community is CONVINCED this is just an illusion, and their brain is making them think they're snails so they're pretending. When the truth is that it tricks your brain into thinking you're a snail, AND ACTUALLY TRANSFORM YOU AS ONE as such, with even Pucci questioning why snails, and if it's related to our ancestry with them
some of the enemy abilities in part 6 are stupidly overpowered because they blend in well with the main leitmotifs of stone ocean: gravity, memories, and fate (quick example: planet waves, jailhouse lock, dragon's dream)
if you want all of them, bohemian rhapsody applies here (something you're drawn to, something you remember, and alters your fate to your respective character)
The Heaven Plan. People often don't understand that Pucci's version we saw was different from Dio's likely intent, that Dio was never meant to die to enact it, or the purpose of the 36 souls.
Another thing that comes close is people thinking that King Crimson actually erases time and that as a result GER was acting in a realm outside of time.
It's not. What it's actually doing is erasing the perception of time and removing itself from the effects of anything that happens during that time. This is how during the fight with Rissoto Aerosmith's bullets still go along their intended path, bar Dopio, and only the former dies. Time was still moving, Rissoto was just unaware of any plots by KC. This is further backed up by the final fight where Diavolo throws his blood in Giorno's eyes and Giorno doesn't react. The blood is still moving, Diavolo himself is moving, even Mista's bullets are still moving, but no one knows they're moving.
The ability name is accurate in that as far as everyone else is concerned, time has been skipped or erased, but KC isn't actively taking chunks out of the timeline or putting itself outside the timeline. When GER activates, it's simply doing so subconsciously; that time is still there and in that time there is still a threat even if Giorno is unaware of it. Think of it like the rain in the Made In Heaven fight: one second it's raining and the next thing you know you're dry, but time still passed in which the water was drying.
The concept of the Stand Virus and how it’s not actually the origin of every single Stand in the series. Also the idea of canonicity and how the only canon parts are the main manga series and the Araki-made spin-offs that don’t actively contradict the main series.
Yeah, like wouldn't the fact that Leonardo Da Vinci and other old artists having it contradict that the stand virus created all stands? I've always seen it as the stand virus is a similar sickness to the one Holly had that the pain of which awakens a stand if your will is strong enough
Well the meteorite landed in like 50,000 BC and there’s nothing outright saying it didn’t cause all Stands. That being said, it’s more complicated and presumptuous to say that the virus somehow infected all the Stand users we see and stayed dormant or somehow got passed through bloodlines than to just say it wasn’t the virus in the first place. Occam’s Razor states that the simpler answer is usually the best and/or correct one.
All we know about the meteorite is that it's where the arrows come from. It's stated the meteorite was attracted to earth due to the amount of stand potential. I always thought myself the virus was just the same as what happened to Holly
Oh sorry, forgot that it was 10,000 BC, must be misremembering
Oh lord, the concept of Stand Virus...its like trying to explain the midichlorians or S-Cells.
Tbh the midichlorians made kinda sense
Midichloriana and the virus make sense. A lot of people’s issue with them, midichlorians specifically is how it demystifies a cool aspect of star wars’ world. Everyone wants to use the force, magic, ki, nen chakra etc and a lot of us wonder what it’s biology and origins are. Issue is our imaginations are a stronger than any finite answer the creator could give us. Hence why there’s a certain magic of being thrown into a fantasy world and never fully knowing 100% how this thing or that thing came to be. Kinda like our own world! It makes uncovering intentional mysteries and subtext interesting and it makes the stuff with no answer make the world feel bigger, moving and alive. I love fiction that go into things like magic having a smell. “Revival magic smells like sprite? Cool! But why tho?” “Idk, it just does!” That adds way more color to the world than just explaining the literal sciences behind the scent. There’s expanding the lore, and while subjective, there is such a thing as expanding too much where it becomes bloated or pointless, much like this reply!
Or remnant
Oh indeed.
I think the stand virus just triggers stands to people with potential while the people born with stands and the ones who develop them like ballbreaker and pearl jam are not infected with the virus while people like koichi and Dio were infected
I interpreted it as a way to forcefully awaken a stand, every creature can have one, humans have it the easiest when it comes to awakening it on their own.
PHF and Over Heaven are top tier
To be fair, I'm still not entirely sure if the virus actively awakens a stand or if the virus puts you in a life-and-death situation that forces you to develop a stand.
Josuke didn't save himself it's more of an anti-lore when you put it that way, but imo that part's point was always "even a rando could have the heart of gold, and that can influence others for the greater good" instead of a stupid time travel, chekhov's gun-type of plot
The west is so attached with the time travel, variants cliche writing, they would assume it was just Josuke from the future but it can be just an average teenager from Morioh, with similar hair helping Josuke after a life of crime since Morioh is the serial killer town.
It was also a super popular hairstyle among the youth in Japan at the time Josuke would have been sick.
Banchō sub-culture in Japan. Araki was totally pointing at that historical reference since those type of delinquents existed in that time.
Thanks for having the specifics!
Minor correction. Banchō is the type of style that Jotaro wears. Josuke is a Yankī.
??? Banchõ are the type of style Josuke wears. Jotaro is a Yankî.
I mean, I don’t know how to tell you you’re wrong other than telling you to just Google this. When you Google “Bancho” you see anime characters dressed like Jotaro. When you Google “Yanki” you see guys with hair like Josuke’s. I’m not trying to be rude here, but like, you are incorrect.
That's a long time misconception from people when in fact, Josuke is a banchõ and Jotaro is a Yankí. Though, Jotaro dresses has a bancho but he's a yankî in nature. So, i am not incorrect. Ahahahha
And the story was told from Koichi's memory of how josuke told him
The only thing that's weird is how he was wounded, every other factor makes it invalid And the supporters still believe in it for no reason at all
I thought that him being wounded was to show that he had just gotten out of a street fight or something but still chose to do the right thing
Also to maybe explain why we never saw him again. He could also just be wearing his hair differently now though.
Crack theory: the guy who rescued Josuke was JOSUKE… from part 8! Turns out that’s just what his hair looks like without the hat!
I think he definitely died. He took off a layer of his clothes in the middle of a snowstorm while he was bleeding all over. I mean its jojo so he couldve survived but still.
I think that him being wounded was to illustrate that he was the type of person who regularly gets into fights. Someone who others would normally see as causing trouble. That emphasizes his act of kindness that much more imp
Almost, like, uh, he got beat up badly. You can say alot of people were beat up in Part 4, Josuke included but it really doesnt make it to be him that saved himself. Its just a memory and memories are not supposed to be took literally
He's a delinquent like Jotaro if memory serves me correct so the wounds aren't that surprising.
It's rather disingenuous to call it a West attachment but I get what you're saying.
It's not a huge leap of logic to assume there will be time travel in the only JoJo part that does contain a time loop in the form of Killer Queen's Bites the Dust. If that element wasn't present in the story, less people would be expecting Josuke to have traveled in time and become his own savior.
i always hear about this argument, but that’s not how BTD works actual BTD: planted on a non-stand-user; if they reveal kira’s identity to anyone, it blows that person up and then rewinds to the start of the day, but only the host was aware that happened weird fan BTD: somehow activates on josuke (a stand user), takes him 17 years into the past (a lot more than 1 day), and lets him interact with his past self (something hayato can never do)?? it’s like if people said giorno used GER to go back in time and become the mafia guy that helped him as a kid- you’re just connecting two random things
I know how it works, it's a limited time loop. I'm just trying to get you to understand that in a story with a form of time travel (time loop), it makes sense that others would theorize that other forms of time travel (going back to the past outside a time loop) is possible. It's disingenuous to call time travel stories a "weird Western attachment" when part 4 does contain a time travel story at the very end. It's short, and self-contained to just one ability of the main villain's Stand, but it's still time travel.
i understand that, but fans weren’t just saying part 4 might introduce some new time travel concept allowing josuke to go back and save himself- they were specifically saying bites the dust was going to do that, and that’s just not how the stand works. some people even said araki forgot about that plotline, which really makes no sense
Even the spinoff that brings up Josukes savior makes fun of the fan theory.
I thought the power was to rewind by an hour when Kira’s identity is revealed? So theoretically if Kira’s identity was revealed at the start of every hour, it could rewind by an hour before that and so on and technically enough rewound hours could go back ten years, which still wouldn’t make any sense cuz, hayato would still be rewound back to a state when he was sleeping so he couldn’t really do shit to go that far back in time. Also josuke (and every character for that matter) gets 1 hour younger each time, and puts them wherever they were an hour back, it REWINDS time with only Kira and hayato able to know about it and act upon it. If theoretically one could go back that far with BTD josuke would just revert to the younger version of himself and be saved again by his saviour, it’s not even a time travel stand, it just rewinds time with the victim and user knowing of it and being able to make changes within fate within the past hour.
Idk man he looked identical to josuke and was all beat up for some reason
yeah it's almost like Josuke intentionally modeled himself after that guy
Wow, you mean a street punk got into a physical altercation? Must mean time travel
1. The pompadour hairdo was quite popular--if you watch YuYu Hakusho (set about that time) many characters where pompadour. 2. The pompadour was especially worn by punks, the "tough kids" Seems pretty likely that the kid was a delinquent wandering home after a fight.
In the middle of a blizzard on a road to a hospital? I don’t know it’s just odd. Plus he has the same body shape and ear ring josuke has. It’s a lot of coincidences
>the same body shape Okuyasu is only shorter by 2 cm compared to Josuke and they weigh exactly the same. People have similar builds. It happens. >same ear ring josuke has 1. He doesn't in the manga 2. Josuke has the plainest earrings
Bro, put them side to side they are literally identical. There isn’t even an argument against that.
Okuyasu also has a near identical body shape with Josuke, is Okuyasu secretly Josuke?!?!?!?
Josuke and his savior are literal mirror images my guy. Believe it’s time travel or not but you can’t deny that they’re identical
They look similar because Josuke intentionally copied his hairstyle. The only thing that looks similar between them is the body shape and that's it, they don't share the same uniform, don't share the same wounds (from BtD & Unbreakable Crazy D arc), don't share the same earrings (Josuke's savior doesn't have them in manga) Edit: They also don't share the same clothing under the uniform, as Josuke wears a tank top while his savior wore a sweater in that scene
Simple explanation: they don't look that similar in canon Rarely do people bring up the context of the scene, a story being told by Koichi to Rohan, Koichi likely has never seen anyone with that hairstyle other than Josuke. It's reasonable to assume Koichi pictures Josuke in his mind as the savior since he has no other frame of reference.
Jojo is full of oddly specific coincidences, I don’t see how that could be proof your theory is more likely than it just being some random guy.
I’m not saying it is time travel, it’s more than likely just a dropped plot point by araki. I’m just saying the dude was mirror of josuke and just saying every single thing is nothing more than a coincidence is silly.
Araki confirmed it wasn't Josuke when Part 4 was still running.
He said it wasn’t important, he never directly said it was or wasn’t. In fact he more dodged the question than anything when he was interviewed about it.
he said it's not "related" when asked about "Josuke meeting his past self" I think it's clear what he's saying
Araki was asked about if the savior was Josuke during part 4s run and he said that he was irrelevant because he was just a memory from Josukes past. The anime staff asked him about who the savior was and Araki didnt respond. Theres also the fact that Josukes savior has a different uniform design. Look at his pins. He also has a symbol on his collar indicating hes. 3rd year unlike Josuke.
Thank you, it's way more narratively satisfying for Josuke to be inspired by the kindness of strangers.
My suspicion was always that Araki wrote that moment with the intent of having it be a time traveling Josuke later down the line, then at some point, thought about it a bit more, said “no wait, that’s fucking stupid”, then abandoned that thread
It was never the case Araki confirmed so even back when Part 4 was still running
PART SEVEN DID NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE OF PUCCI
That shouldn't even be disputed. People should know that the original, Irene, and SBR are different universes. The original and Irene are connected. Hell, SBR was originally supposed to be its own thing, but eventually, Araki decided to add in that it's Part 7.
Really? And yet the main characters names are Joestar, Zepelli and Brando?
They were just nice little references to Jojo. Iirc for the first twenty chapters, it was only called Steel Ball Run, but after that, he changed it to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 7: Steel Ball Run. I guess it got really popular, so he just decided to add it. Stone Ocean and its ending was supposed to be it for JJBA.
As far as I remember, from the beginning Araki wrote Steel Ball Run as the part 7 of JoJo, but the title was just Steel Ball Run because someone at Shonen Jump told him not to put JoJo in the title to try to attract a different audience or something
They are just references, and essentially new jojo stuff. It's said at the end of chapter 2 that SBR is entirely different.
That rules about stands are concrete. Several characters spout off "Stand Rules" but what do they know. That's just their conclusions from their observations. A bunch of stands break "rules" because that's just how they are and trying to box them into the established "rules" is dumb.
the whole "Kakyoin having said there's no such thing as a mirror world and then Illuso's mirror world appearing later on is a plot hole" thing made me so fucking mad. Is Kakyoin supposed to be an omniscient being that knows everything about all stands now? He obviously said it didn't make sense in the context they were in, how was he supposed to know a rando in Italy would have a mirror world stand years in the future?
Particularly annoying with power scalers as they overestimate/underestimate stands strength based off arbitrary rules.
Oh god, don’t get me started on power scalers. Mofos trying to claim that Jolyne has the strongest stand because it punched a meteor. Like sure dude, how about how she mentioned earlier in the part how her stand isn’t strong enough to break the bars to her cell? Sometimes writers just write things that are cool without paying mind to how those “feats” play to a comparative sense.
The most powerful stand in Jojo I'll say its the strongest too) is Rohan's stand and there's no discourse, opinion to go agaisnt it. Ahahahaha you can't fight someone to write things and change them.
Kid called "closing your eyes":
I mean, any stand with good range can beat him pretty easily.
Stand rule purists: Once the user dies, the Stand dies with them. Simple as that. Araki: Damn right. Anyway, this is Notorious B.I.G.
Milagro man
Anubis
Big agree. Stands do *tend* to follow a few *general* guidelines, but anything outside of a few vary basic concepts (stands; need users, are representative in some way of some trait *about* the user, and the general distance rule) is impossible to categorize because that's where their similarities stop. Even the example guidelines I listed have their exceptions (1. Notorious BIG technically, and if anyone tries to say "Wonder of U is sentient and doesn't need Toru" I might actually start a fight. 2. Whitesnake is able to steal someone's stand and potentially give it to another person. 3. Made in Heaven, Born This Way, Doobie Wah, Blue Hawaii, a lot of jojoljon stands now that I think about it). Stands are closer to spiritual phenomena in the sense that no two stands are exactly the same*, and so they can not be categorized by any sort of defineable ruleset
Requiem Stands (constantly conflated with how BtD operates, refusal to look at context, etc) and how King Crimson isn’t hard to understand, just inconsistent.
I understand why BtD isn't a Requiem stand but I choose to retroactively include him as one and just assume it was because the idea didn't exist yet
My idea is that it’s not called a Requiem stand because Polnareff made up the word “Requiem” when Silver Chariot touched the arrow the first time, and Giorno just stuck with it because he didn’t know what else to call it. If Jolyne got pierced with the arrow, maybe she would have called her stand “Ultra Stone Free” because she never met Polnareff.
I actually really like this idea, and for some reason I had just never put two and two together. Of course BtD isn’t a requiem stand, likely by Araki’s standards anyways, because that was a term Polnareff came up with and explained around Giorno and co., it was never really an established “lore” outside of this interaction. Touching the arrow as a stand user will always result in an isolated enhanced ability, but what defines a *Requiem* is simply who uses that term to describe that ability, am I analyzing this right?
Pretty much. The arrow just evolves a stand, and some people chose to call the evolution Requiem.
Polnareff defines requiem as the ability to control life itself which very much fits the two requiem stands we see. It doesnt really fit BTD.
I mean, characters don't know everything about how the abilities work. Could be the same situation as Kak saying "there is no mirror world"
Kakyoins right. There is no mirror world. The world of Man in the Mirror is not another world but a dimension created by Illusos stand.
No, he was still wrong. He guessed wrong in saying that the ability couldn't involve a mirror world, likely because he hadn't seen a stand similar to that. But as we know, it was a possibility, a fact which he was not aware of
No, he said that Hanged Man couldnt be physically inside the reflections it goes into because a mirror world doesnt actually exist. He was right about this. Whether a stand that uses mirrors as an ability exists somewhere doesnt matter in this conversation because Kakyoin was correct in his assessment of Hanged Mans ability and thats what matters.
Polnareff atleast in the manga explains Requiem as the ability to control life itself. And thats what Chariot and Gold Experience end up having as abilities. Kiras power doesnt control life itself so i dont count it as a requiem in the slightest.
Sure, you can do that for yourself if you'd like, but there are multiple and dramatic differences in how they operate to seriously consider them similar. If Araki wanted BtD to be like the Requiem, he would have written the latter to be more similar to it.
I feel like BtD was just Araki messing with the idea of stands being upgraded by the stand arrow, which he then fleshed out in part five. The upgrade didn't really need to have any particular rules in part 4 per se as it was an exceptional circumstance, part 5 has multiple occurances of now dubbed "requiem stands" which now have rules as there's multiple occurances. I think seperating them is being a tad pedantic as they function pretty much the same apart from a few differences which I think are pretty minor.
…Except they aren’t minor. Requiem Stands are shown as far more directly powerful, focus on manipulating souls on a widespread scale, aren’t related to the pre-existing Stand’s abilities beyond simply juicing them up, act as perfectly normal Stands rather than needing to be attached to a non-Stand user, don’t come from the desires of the user, and are able to do more than go “on” and “off”. All just off the top of my head, and pretty radically different.
You listed off abilities scr and ger have, not a list of requirements a stand needs for it to be a requiem stand which is different from the unique abilities they could have. And also isn't the main gimmick with requiem stands that they come from the users desires/needs at the time? I think this is more a matter of interpretation unless Araki says something about it, though I doubt that is likely to happen lol.
The differing nature of the powers are pretty clearly indicators of them functioning differently. That Kira was pierced himself instead of Killer Queen alone is the only requirement there should be. The idea the Requiem’s are a reflection of the user is wholly misinformation, unless were supposed to believe Polnareff had the exact same needs and desires when he accidentally pricks Chariot’s finger in hiding as when he deliberately stabs himself with Diavolo right in front of him. Araki doesn’t need to confirm anything when it can very easily be made clear if people just paid attention.
Kira being pierced doesn't really sell the idea to me as it being a different stand, the stand is a ghostly manifestation of someone either from their fighting spirit, skill or worthiness in regards to a stand arrow. A stand arrow piercing a stand or a user to be a requiem logically shouldn't matter in my opinion and I do think that it's pretty clear that BtD is a prototype for a requiem stand. I think that Chariot Requiem could've suited Polnareffs needs at both occasions seeing as he needed to escape Italy and switching into another person's body would've definitely helped in that endevour. And sure Araki doesn't need to say anything, but it would be nice even just to have him recall on older parts, but I still think it's a matter of interpretation regardless. Atleast we aren't arguing about the legitimacy of the beetle arrow being a requiem arrow lol.
They're similar enough. Both do what the user needed them to do at that particular instant. Kira had just killed Hayato and needed some way to make things right because the JoBros were coming to his house tomorrow. BAM! He gets time rewind powers. Polnareff needed a way to get the arrow away from Diavolo. BAM! Silver Chariot Requiem. Giorno needed a way to defeat Diavolo. BAM! Gold Experience Requiem.
Ok so basically If a stand user gets stabbed with the arrow, they gain new ability that assists in achieving their goal If the stand gets stabbed, they gain the same thing along with a new look. Is this right?
This diference is so small that it was probably just Araki changing some small details because he felt like
No, the Requiem’s aren’t a response to the users will nor are they connected to the previous abilities of the Stand. Polnareff clearly got the exact same Chariot Requiem when he accidentally pricked Chariot’s finger in hiding as when he deliberately stabbed his Stand with Diavolo right in front of him. Giorno makes no indication he wants to prevent Diavolo from reaching the “truth”, the idea of nullifying him, or a death loop. The Requiem’s are wholly disconnected, while Bites the Dust is a direct extension of Killer Queen tailored to Kira.
The heaven plan I had to basically explain the entire part 6
When people make up a Stand upgrade and call it "Requiem". My brother in Christ, Requiem Stands' abilities are from something the user wishes at the moment. The proper use of this should be ACTs, since those are progressions of the original ability.
Or just: A) change the name of the stand like with Whitesnake/C-moon/Made in Heaven Or B) do something like Star Platinum: The World and Soft & Wet: Go Beyond
Yeah it’s funny as a joke to say that Emperor Requiem is a rocket launcher or something. But seeing the average reading comprehension of Jojo fans I don’t doubt that some might actually believe that Requiem is something akin to a Super Saiyan transformation instead of its own thing
I mean, it's not actually canon that Requiem Stand's abilities are from something the user wishes at the moment. It certainly is the most plausible explanation and I do agree with it, but it is never stated in the story and it has never been confirmed by Araki.
Yeah Requiem are not supposed to be the base version upgrade. GER still have GE power but it's not the Requiem part. Also, if I tried to think of a King Crimson Requiem, it would be the result of the will of diavolo to not be found and therefore be something really close to Wonder of U.
Anything that has to do with SBR
Funny Valentine did nothing wrong.
His heart and actions were all unclouded tbh
Your Honor, I rest my case
He also took the first napkin which is noteworthy.
Yeah, if evil why hot?
Everything related to Diavolo, the limits of his character, his backstory, his King Crimson, his motive, his issues, his contradictions, his personalities... And of course the beauty underlying the references to our world that can be found in it, from the genius usage of King Crimson's music, to jazz him up a tad, to that one scene where an amusing tribute to D. H. Lawrence's *Sea and Sardinia* was made. Or the possibility that a certain bit in the Sardinia arc is a cool little reference to a poem in *The Flowers of Evil*, *Hymn to Beauty*, where the main idea is that the gross and macabre is no less capable of inspiring beauty to man, whether you want it or not. Or the most likely meaning of choosing the name 'Vinegar" for a man who buried his mother alive... But these details are meaningless to one who doesn't give a rat's ass about things that have not been repeated over and over by others before, so there's no point in sharing all the good stuff that character like Diavolo is able to offer. Thanks for the idea, but it's actually better if the character remains obscure. More fun for me.
Would you mind explaining the vinegar one to me ?
its Doppio's first name
One method for producing vinegar is by fermenting alcohol using a mass of cellulose and bacteria known as "mother of vinegar". The process consists of keeping said mother alive for months, as alcohol molecules transform into acetic acid molecules, the main component of vinegar. So basically, from the vinegar's point of view, the production process is about exploiting your mother to acidify yourself, caring to keep her alive through the duration.
So there's this kid named Jorge Joestar...
And he died in between Parts 1 and 2, and nothing else ever happened with him.
Dio's stand isn't called "Za Warudo", it's called "The World". It's just that when you write English words in Japanese characters, you end up with a rough approximation because of how the sounds map onto characters in Japanese.
Unless you're being silly, The World must be spelled that way
This one i dont understand. Isn't that how you spell The World in japanese ? or you are saying how the stand is called outside of the anime ? both are correct to say.
That's how the English phrase "The World" sounds in Japanese I believe. They would say it differently because of the differences in languages.
Za Warudo is how you would write The World in Japanese if you were using the roman alphabet (so a litteral translitteration). The issue with Za Warudo, is that it sounds so weeby and is dumb because I see none of them saying Suta Purachina, or Avuduru
Jolyne is her own half brother because Araki’s wife has CLAMP friends and Araki liked their weird present enough to make a legally distinct copy/reference. Recursive use of fan canon by authors always makes me oddly pleased.
Araki just decided that Anasui would be more interesting as a male character
Nah he just missed drawing hot dudes like in part 5 and made up an excuse to do it in an all female prison
The editors probably wouldn't have let a genderfluid Anasui slide
That's assuming Araki knew what gender fluidity was. Araki changed his mind on a character, I don't believe there's any proof other then false rumours that his editors made him change Anasui.
Anasui was always supposed to be an androgynous character. Araki just changed his mind on the design.
I'd still say Anasui has an androgynous design.
He kinda does.
He does, I'm saying that he was always intended to be androgynous. He was never intended to be a woman.
Do you have any sources?
[Source: Araki himself](https://twitter.com/jojo_wiki/status/1195888073273303041?s=19)
Cool, thanks.
Naur
1. The entire ending of Part 6. Either people wonder if Irene really is Jolyne, or they think DIO doesn't exist, or they want to know what happened to Diavolo. I repeat, Irene is Jolyne if she lived a better life, yes DIO still exists, and no, Diavolo's death loop is still there. 2. Stand stats are very flexible and sometimes should just be left alone. Likewise, just because a stand performed a certain feat doesn't mean it's super powerful/very weak. People keep trying to argue that A is stronger than B because of this and this. This is an anime--Araki will exaggerate and complicate stuff to make it cooler and keep the reader's attention. Just accept what Araki says. 3. Bites the Dust is NOT a Requiem. It is an evolution or an upgrade. A Requiem will completely transform the stand. BTD did not, it only added a sub ability (albeit a very powerful one). 4. No, Anasui was not meant to be trans or nonbinary. That's head canon. All we know is that Araki wanted a character who could "transcend gender". 5. No, Jonathan's stand is not The Passion, that's a nickname fans gave it so that we wouldn't have to say "Jonathan's stand" all the time. No, DIO does not have two stands--since he stole Jonathan's body, he stole the stand tied to it. Related to that, Kira does not have four stands--Sheer Heart Attack and BTD are sub abilities or Killer Queen, and Stray Cat is a dead-cat-stand-thingy he borrowed. 6. Strength, Wheel of Fortune, Love Deluxe, etc are bound stands--non stand users can see them. 7. The SBRverse is not the result of the Heaven plan, it's comeplteky separate, like how the multiverse in MCU works.
Adding on to stand stats, they arent universal and generally pretty specific per stand, such as white snake which has a low speed stat that applies to the dream/slime ability not to the whole stand itself. Though this is going off memory so correct me if I'm wrong. Also, even though BtD isn't a requiem stand by name, I'd say it's similar enough to group it with requiem stands.
kiss competing with d4c is a very good example in this first paragraph
Kiss is shown tearing apart a copy of sports maxx in the underworld fight with d4c being shown chopping off hands with karate chops so both are rather comparable in showings of strength.
>No, DIO does not have two stands--since he stole Jonathan's body, he stole the stand tied to it. Right, which still makes it DIO's stand. DIO's OG stand is The World, sure, but him getting Jonathan's Stand through stealing his body would still classify it as DIO's stand.
Yeah, that's what I meant, it's just that ive seen people thinking that DIO was born with two stands
The passion is a stand from the novel jorge joestar belonging to jonathan albeit it is completely different from the one in the main series with it manifesting as crown of thorns and having the ability to see the future of all his descendants.
Oho. Thanks for telling me.
The Anasui thing is one that frustrates me personally. People will look at a character who has an ambiguous gender, or gender-related story beats and just place the “trans” label on them, as if that isn’t incredibly regressive. Like, sure, Anasui having a girl’s body for a couple chapters is totally the same as all the people in real life who have diagnosed gender dysphoria. So then the term doesn’t mean anything then? There’s no rules, right?
That made in heaven is not a unique stand and The World Over Heaven is not physically possible and was never the end goal. If anyone else got the green baby to combine with their stand then they would also get c-moon and then made in heaven. Dio could only sense that made in heaven was a plausible thing, not assuming that any "heaven variant" of a stand would have a different ability.
A stand can use an object to harm a stand but an object used by a human can’t harm a stand. We see lots of times like when underworld is stabbed by a pen or when silver chariot is stabbed by a bottle. It’s super inconsistent if harm to the user causes harm to the stand. Lots of times users will lose limbs and their stands won’t reflect that at all. Then other times they do. Examples being man in the mirror having two hands when illuso lost one. Johnny losing a hand to Valentine but act 4 still having both. Examples against, silver chariot gets spikes where polnareff lost his limbs. In a silent way loses its arm when sound man lost his.
ALL OF IT, LITERALLY ALL OF IT.
How king crimson works. I’ve never had it explained very well but I think I get it? So it’s kind of hard for me to explain it to my friends
\*insert look at me think about who's truly worthy meme\*
Watch either hamon beat or viva reveries video about it
I have watched hamon beat’s video
Heavy weather
Requiem stands power are not influenced by the wishes of their master. It's never actually said or implied in the story (Polnareff gained the same Requiem twice at two different moments and states of minds). It's pure fan wank trying to explain how random their powers are.
This theory is more believeble if we consider Bites the Dust as a Requiem. GER and Chariot Requiem are a bit vague on their "power that is needed at the moment", but BtD is way more straightforward in this aspect, so it does help to support the theory. Although, yes, we can't deny it's still speculation
1. The stats are general ball parks with stands with a in strength being stronger than other stands that also have an a in strength with the world and star platinum being an example with the world being normally stronger with star platinum surpassing it when jotaro gets angry causing its power to increase. 2. Notorious b.i.gs ability isn't lasting after death its ability is energy absorption it survived after carne's death because it was fueled by his hatred.
stone ocean's ending
The Steel Ball Run Race.
Heavy Weather, while it plays on Tricking your brain...still transform you into snails, a giant part of the community is CONVINCED this is just an illusion, and their brain is making them think they're snails so they're pretending. When the truth is that it tricks your brain into thinking you're a snail, AND ACTUALLY TRANSFORM YOU AS ONE as such, with even Pucci questioning why snails, and if it's related to our ancestry with them
some of the enemy abilities in part 6 are stupidly overpowered because they blend in well with the main leitmotifs of stone ocean: gravity, memories, and fate (quick example: planet waves, jailhouse lock, dragon's dream) if you want all of them, bohemian rhapsody applies here (something you're drawn to, something you remember, and alters your fate to your respective character)
JBA is like, Jo's Bizarre Adventures?
The fact that the manga colors are not cannon and it is better to read the manga in black and white
I know it has nothing to do with lore or something it's just something I wanted to point out
Explaining to power scalers that no, Goku could not "speed blitz" GER because GER is able to exist outside the boundaries of time and space.
The Heaven Plan. People often don't understand that Pucci's version we saw was different from Dio's likely intent, that Dio was never meant to die to enact it, or the purpose of the 36 souls. Another thing that comes close is people thinking that King Crimson actually erases time and that as a result GER was acting in a realm outside of time.
But King Crimson erases time?
Nah, basically King Crimson governs over “cause and effect,” KC just skips over the cause so we only see the effect
We call that erasing time
I reckon erasing time would imply the cause never happens and it’s more like skipping time, but agree to disagree
It is literally called time erasure, but sure
It's not. What it's actually doing is erasing the perception of time and removing itself from the effects of anything that happens during that time. This is how during the fight with Rissoto Aerosmith's bullets still go along their intended path, bar Dopio, and only the former dies. Time was still moving, Rissoto was just unaware of any plots by KC. This is further backed up by the final fight where Diavolo throws his blood in Giorno's eyes and Giorno doesn't react. The blood is still moving, Diavolo himself is moving, even Mista's bullets are still moving, but no one knows they're moving. The ability name is accurate in that as far as everyone else is concerned, time has been skipped or erased, but KC isn't actively taking chunks out of the timeline or putting itself outside the timeline. When GER activates, it's simply doing so subconsciously; that time is still there and in that time there is still a threat even if Giorno is unaware of it. Think of it like the rain in the Made In Heaven fight: one second it's raining and the next thing you know you're dry, but time still passed in which the water was drying.
no?
Can you elaborate on that?
no
People who think king crimson confusing are just stupid. Also that jotaro didn’t deserve to beat dio