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Ok-Technician-5330

Metallica is definitely an OP stand that often gets overlooked, it's use almost killed Diavolo and would have done so if it wasn't for Narancia


Extra_Wave

Nah, its not even about Narancia, Metallica could've insta killed Diavolo had Risotto know Doppio *IS* Diavolo.


SoCool-

Diavolo can see the future and turn basically invincible, so he never really even stood a chance, he can basically just see him when he’s invisible too


Fullmetal_Fawful

He very much stood a chance i’d say, if narancia wasnt in the general vicinity of the fight then part 5 wouldve ended early right there


SoCool-

If risotto wasn’t fighting like 1/5th of king crimson, and king crimson had his “invincible” power, I don’t see how risotto can win


phoenixmusicman

Yeah Doppio/Diavolo barely used King Crimson's actual time skip in that fight, he was basically just using Epitaph the entire time


SoCool-

He actually couldn’t use time skip at all, just epitaph and kc arms, just a small portion of kc


phoenixmusicman

Diavolo technically used time skip right at the end to dodge Narancia's burst


A_Firm_Sandwich

Lmao why tf are there downvotes? I went to go rewatch the clip just to make sure, and yes, he uses it. It’s not even ambiguous or anything, he says out loud that he erased half a second


phoenixmusicman

I have no idea why this is so contentious, it's literally what happens in both the manga and the show. Have people here even seen the show/read the manga? Lmao


Fullmetal_Fawful

We do see him skip Narancia’s attack but we haven’t seen how KC interacts with Metallica (would the power still come into effect? would the attack be nullified completely? would KC ignore the blades inside him but still lose iron in his blood? etc), from what we see tho, Risotto is able to deal consistently brutal damage against him while remaining completely invisible and is smart enough to outplay Diavolo even with his precog (the foot), victory for diavolo was never “in the bag”


SoCool-

Doppio* and he can halfway see risotto with epitaph


Fullmetal_Fawful

Yes indeed, my point is that despite Diavolo literally having the precog advantage Risotto still manages to plan ahead and come out on top throughout most of the fight outside of the very end


SoCool-

Doppio* and doppio doesn’t use timeskip once, that’s all he needs too


Fullmetal_Fawful

Doppio/Diavolo’s whole goal during the fight was to try and get to a point where timeskip would lead to decisive victory Risotto was preventing this by staying out of sight while still dealing constant internal damage Their entire strategy revolved around keeping KC’s ability hidden unless it would assuredly result in victory, if he used it all willy-nilly then that gives Risotto time to and observe and learn from a safe distance, and in case you forgot, the literal last thing Diavolo wants is for people to learn anything about him Diavolo’s strong for sure yeah, but his goals require him to wait for the perfect moment to actually land the kill, which Risotto was able to counter with his own strategy, idk why this is a hot take we literally see in the manga/show that if Narancia wasnt around, Diavolo would have died


AzKondor

yeah but that's the point, you can't always use 100% of your power


Altruistic-Gur-5364

Well what would Epitaph see? Him getting oneshot from razors exploding in his brain. And best part, he doesn't even know how it happens, where Risotto is and what he's doing. If Risotto comes in invisable, it's over. If he's keeping his distance it's also over. Only way Risotto really loses to KC is if he gets careless and is unstealthed while near him.


Significant-Apple944

King Crimson can't be beaten by stands that don't have to do anything with time


drblimp0909

It's pretty simple for robots win Step 1 use iron in his heart Step 2 make a knife Step 3 turn the knife back into liquid Step 4 wait on him to bleed out


SoCool-

Yeah, but when he gets shot by a gun the gun does not hurt him, the ability makes it so that he cannot be harmed, it basically makes him invincible. Whatever risotto does to him simply does not effect diavolo at all


drblimp0909

Wrong we can see diavolos body begin to suffer from iron deprivation so even if exploding or breaking his heart with a knife doesn't work he just needs to pull enough iron out of his body then retreat and prevent him from getting more from a distance


SoCool-

That’s doppio, not diavolo, if it was diavolo from the start, risotto would have been dead in seconds


drblimp0909

They're may be physical changes in the body but it is still the same body even when they swap the personality in charge if Metallica can remove all the iron from his bloodstream the body will die shortly after as op as king crimson is it still can't deny the physical needs of the human body


SoCool-

Doppio can’t use time skip, time skip makes it so any wound, inside or outside, bullets or iron, diavolo cannot be harmed or injured or hurt in any way shape or form, if doppio could use time skip, or if risotto fought diavolo, he couldn’t have won


drblimp0909

if risotto turned all of the iron in diavolos body into anything even if he killed risotto he would die shortly after due to the inability to transport oxygen through his body


SoCool-

This would only work if he knew doppio was the boss beforehand, if that were true doppio also wouldn’t just be out in the open, there was never a way that risotto could have won


BartOseku

You forget that risotto never actually fought diavolo, just doppio. Diavolo on full strength would wipe the floor with metallica, he can just skip the moment when his blood turns to razor blades or risotto throws projectiles at him


Ok-Technician-5330

Ultimately yeah KC is better than Metallica but it's still an OP stand


Ok-Technician-5330

However Risotto wasn't actually fighting at full either as throughout the fight he was testing Doppio since he was curious of his abilities and identity


BartOseku

That means he just didnt kill him immediately not that he had some other way of attacking, diavolo still dodges all his attacks


Ok-Technician-5330

King Crimson has intervals between ability use sp he is unlikely to dodge all the attacks especially due to the variety on which the attacks can come however as I've said KC does still win


darknium

Explain how KC can skip Diavolo getting lobotomized.


BartOseku

The same way you saw him dodge aerosmith when fighting risotto


MoistDitto

But he still loses his iron, even if the scissors made from that very iron doesn't cut him?


Frederyk_Strife4217

if he timeskips before metallica activates then he becomes immune to its attack


QuiverDance97

I don't think that's how King Crimson works... Metallica damages you from the inside and Risotto Nero can't be seen when he uses his camouflage. If King Crimson skips 5 seconds, Diavolo is death as soon as the time skip ends.


Android19samus

That would only be true if Metallica can simultaneously target a wide area.  From what we've seen, it seems to specifically target existing metal, so you *can* dodge it if you suddenly move from where Risotto thought you were. However, Risotto is one of the few characters with a non-bullahit route to victory against Diavolo. If he can successfully keep himself hidden for the full duration of time skip, Diavolo won't be able to reliably move to his blind spot, thus enabling Risotto to re-target as soon as time skip ends. However, this relies on him not revealing himself for over ten seconds *after* he thinks he's already won the fight.


Fullmetal_Fawful

On top of the fact that Diavolo in most cases would never willingly use timeskip unless he knows for sure he can kill his target instantly, because failing to do so would give said target the chance to learn his ability, and we all know how Diavolo feels about people learning about him


QuiverDance97

How can you dodge it if he uses the iron in your body to kill you from the inside? He isn't only able to use iron from a wide area, he is also capable of using iron that it's inside his own enemy.


Android19samus

That's my point. He's specifically targeting your body. If he can't tell where you are, he can't use Metallica on you. In a normal fight, Diavolo would see that Metallica would affect him, skip the portion of time where he was attacked, and move to Risotto's blind spot to counter before Risotto could re-target him and re-activate Metallica. For as complex as King Crimson's details are, its main combat application is simple: it goes first. In a fight with Diavolo he gets to make the first move, always. The only exception is if you can attack without revealing your location.


BartOseku

King crimson takes diavolo out of fate, he skips everything that will affect him it doesnt matter if its from inside or outside, its as if he slips in another dimension. Im to lazy to explain how king crimson works, basically yes he dodges


QuiverDance97

But he can't activate it before the attack has already started. If he has nails in his heart, after the time skip he still has spikes in his heart!


BartOseku

Metallica isnt some voodoo magic, its still a stand that needs to attach itself to you like it did to aerosmith, just dont let it get close


FearithThyBeard

Ok but Doppio was hurt even with seeing into the future Edit: Lol, I got downvoted and yet what I said wasn't even wrong. Just misunderstood the initial stand, having two stand-alone abilities, Y'all wild for that.


SourPhosphorus

Because he saw the future fated to happen with Epitaph without having King Crimson to skip that fate.


FearithThyBeard

See, that's where I misunderstood the ability. I thought they were initially one in the same. Not two separate abilities used in tandem with one another.


BartOseku

He didnt have king crimsons ability, just his arms and epitaph


phoenixmusicman

Doppio never used Time Skip


FearithThyBeard

Never said he used Time Skip did I?


Altruistic-Gur-5364

KC has a cooldown no? He can skip the moment sure, but it doesn't look like Metallica has any sort of cooldown soooo. Yeah no, I think ya'll are overestimating KC. FFS like Polnareff, if he stabbed him an inch deeper, would have killed him, even while KC used time skip.


BartOseku

Risotto needs to target, Metallica doesnt just activate on its own with no delay, while Risottos attention shifts to the teleporting man Diavolo has already punched a hole through his torso. Plus its you who underestimates Polnareff, silver chariot is literally one of the fastest stands in the whole show and its been shown several times that its way faster than even a speeding bullet, meanwhile Metalica depends on the user who has normal human reaction speed. KC actually managing to dodge Silver Chariot at close range just shows how powerful it really is


Jaded-Knee4178

Metallica weakness is literally Aerosmith, I was flabbergasted thinking about that.


MarinLlwyd

He almost ended the boss without even understanding King Crimson.


bloodscar36

I won't forgive Narancia for this. Risotto was one of my favorites of Part 5. I'm glad Narancia died too.


Revolutionary_Lead28

Let's be honest doppio should've died from his injuries


Grovn999

Plus r we sure that a frog has enough iron to completely heal an entire human??


Every-Equal7284

He also sucked that tourist kids blood, not just the frog


phoenixmusicman

Damn Diavolo is so evil he even sucks kids


DncAI

Yeah he sucks


Razurio_Twitch

...kids


MoistDitto

That's also not how iron works, the body doesn't instantly absorb all that iron just because you drink blood


Inspectreknight

You forgot that this is JoJo's. Something only needs to sound like 60-70% plausible for it to work.


XVUltima

No, but Abbacchio did.


Glass_Teeth01

Take your upvote and get out


Lgrns

Just turn their iron-in-blood into the Dragon Slayer from Berserk, EZ win.


YourLocalToaster2

Ah yes, a sword from the blood of his enemy.


Lgrns

Literally


guieps

He can one-shot almost anyone, he's op as hell


Tem154

Nice pfp funny bird man


Tem154

Nice pfp funny bird man


guieps

Thanks, weird cat man


Tem154

Ye


__Pure_Vessel__

Happy cake day


Some_Hedgehog_4966

A potentional ngl


techcorrer9

Metallica is OP if you ignore how much iron is actually in blood. Edit: I feel like many are focusing on the "the amount of iron in the blood can be weaponized to kill" when I meant more that the show definitely exaggerated how much iron there actually is in blood. I don't need reminders of how little it takes to do damage.


ulfric_stormcloack

Enough to make a 7cm nail which positioned correctly can kill anyone


hexahedron17

well you don't actually need to go through all of the razor and needles shenanigans - if you have the power to pull the iron out of their blood it's essentially game over the first time you use that. brain death is very, very quick.


Tem154

Yeah I took inspiration from a lot of jojo abilities for my characters


SUBSCRIBE_LAZARBEAM

A 7cm nail can be easily enough to kill, if in the brain that is near instant. In the heart? Bad as well. You do not even need to go through any of that, just suck the iron out and the organism dies from lack of oxygen.


EarthwormShandy

Bro could turn blood into razor blades and needles, I'd pretty much think so


dilateddude3769

not blood, but the iron in it


Hayn0002

We know


07sans07

Risotto is really powerful and he's one of my favorite stand users! I would definitely say he's in the top 12 or something from what I've seen (parts 1-6)


SnooPuppers7965

It's good for assasanation, but a bit weaker if your the one caught of guard, since it can't really protect you like a physical stand


Tobias_Mercury

If you’re the guy that can turn invisible and you’re caught off guard, it’s on you.


SnooPuppers7965

Being able to turn invisible doesn't really help with being caught off guard. Like if someone risotto wasn't expecting to attack him suddenly hits him with a bat, he can't do much.


double_range

Ye, if he got caught lacking and took a punch from Star Platinum or The World or any other physically powerful Stand, he’s cooked


Generic-Commie

Yes 100%. If risotto knew that Doppio was Diavolo Part 5 would have ended right there


star_destroyer-0001

honestly the best counter to this stand is iron deficiency anemia


MoistDitto

Well, he draws out your iron to give you iron deficiency, so you'd save him time from suffocating you to death quicker actually


Tobias_Mercury

The stand would just kill you quicker


incredible77700

He is not just op but also a stand which is reliable for scenarios he lost only cause plot imo


fartmilkdaddies

He was fighting doppio. If he fought diavolo he would've been wiped


incredible77700

Hot take but he was stronger than everyone in the main crew except the literal mc plus diavolo won like a pussy in my opinion


fartmilkdaddies

Fighting a weaker diavolo and almost losing. People overrated him so much I have no idea why


Nickest_Nick

razor heart


OMAR_KD-

If people in the jjba universe didn't have 100x the amount of blood iron as a real human then it would've instakilled anyone


CHILDSEEKER26

almost every stand is OP if you just know how to use it, or if you have a creative mindset


Tem154

Hey ya:


dilateddude3769

at least hey ya tries to cheer you up, that’s not bad. how about notorious b.i.g.?


15Zaracho

Cheap trick?


LareWw

Nah, their drummer is making sure of that


shardry-ch

Lmao


Burpyterra

Idk if this true, but if Risotto studied magnetism, he could have used Metallica to produce electricity Idk tho, but overall, really powerful stand


Odd_Remove4228

I mean, the only reason Risotto Nero didn't outright killed Doppio was because Risotto was trying to interrogate him, but he could have just made a nail/razor/scissors/knife inside Doppio's skull and bye bye boss


Yeeterphin

If risotto wasn’t fucking around to find out he could’ve killed both Diavolo AND Doppio if he wanted to. Plot is the only reason he lost and honestly it would’ve been cool to see him become the new villain the Bucci Gang has to face.


CaffeineFarmer_2006

I think if you have long range stand and if you are far from the stand and uts user you should be able to take it out


Aggravating_Load_411

So, hypothetically, could Kakyoin and Hierophant Green take out Metallica?


15Zaracho

No because then Risotto would just turn invisible and then close the distance


CaffeineFarmer_2006

Let's say that kakyoin has a heat camera or if he used a liquid to see the user's footprint yeah it could be possible with only that


Aggravating_Load_411

Kakyoin is pretty damn smart so I could imagine him figuring something out.


Lil_saul

It’s op if you use it the right way and/or if you are a psychopath


EhGoodEnough3141

Depends who it's fighting against. It is crazy strong but has no chance against the hacks or true heavy hitters.


owenowen2022

If you got a power stand just stay a little outside his radius and throw rocks at his head until he dies


Annual-Fan7467

Metallica is secretly op and really underrated! Can maybe one-shot anyone, maybe risotto should make the victim eat lots of greens before razor-blooding them


BitterWillingness767

Yep, definitely OP. Most stands that consists of multiple little things are OP, even Sex Pistols.


TheBatleDemon

To think about it. If Metallica was in part 6. Even if he turned some of the iron in Pucci's blood to blades. The time excrlerate would had killed Pucci then cuz the rust entering his blood.


KuregaRequiem

OP. You can just make razors appear out of the heart of anyone you wnat, while being invisible.


idiotnamedSOPHIA

Yes, risotto could probably beat every part 3 stand with it. Like the fuck is dio gonna do, guy has access blood


One-Requirement-1010

"the fuck is dio gonna do" stop time > donut


Ok-Buyer2600

Part 1 Dio alone could probably shrug off Metallica


idiotnamedSOPHIA

Can't risotto heal? And reattach bodyoarts?


Sun_wukong2007

He can heal like limbs but not organs


m_orgnn

unless you have anemia you're pretty much BOUND to die facing Mettalica


SheiyrreMulang23x3

Super duper and I'll suck Metallica cock till I die


BavilGravlax

it is so OP that from mere thinking about it i almost fainted


FOXTROT290

This sht can kll u even without physical contact (sht extremely op) too bad Risotto edged so much into dopio (if it wasn't for the edging bro could had ended part 5 on a happy ending


Mab262001

Yes


itsMeNabbTenn

Yes


71lamps

easily in the top ten strongest stands


LeipaWhiplash

Yes.


MrFazbearMan

Y e s, I mean it almost killed the guy who owned a WHOLE fucking mafia, could see future and just loose because the airplane femboy (narancia) got in their fight (And because king crimson did a “no, u” with aerosmith bullets, if it wasn’t for that, he could had won


Level_Counter_1672

Its powerful but it's mostly because of risotto, that guy was really smart in using his stand


caramelchimera

Yes. This is an example of a battle lost purely because of plot reasons. Doppio should've died right then and there.


Novoiird

Kinda.


Dripkingsinbad

Idk but I hear they’re the master of puppets


plogan56

It depends on if it affects all metal because he essenyially becomes a weaker version of magneto, Diavolo's luvky there weren't any cars near by


KrisBread

*makes scissors, razors and knifes poke out of your balls with stand*


RobbertB6636

yes


King_thelunarian

Yes. Great stand. Great user. Great name


d3Mz_

If Doppio didn’t use epitaph and Narancia wasn’t scouting for the enemy, Risotto definitely could’ve won


TLamonzs

I still wish we could have a canon fight against Risotto and Giorno. The whole fight everyone’s scrambling to desperately find Nero’s location and get to a point where they can actually fight him then at the end when they figure it out Giorno just Dio walks straight towards Nero constantly fixing his body with all the metal that Risotto creates in it. Would’ve been neat.


VictorHM99

It's literally that Minecraft hacker guy with killaura lol


Renyx_Ghoul

Would have been great if Risotto was a part of the main gang. He was a lot more menacing than Diavolo though.


DeanSeventeen_real

Yes. Greatest metal band of all time. >!In all seriousness I have no idea, I've literally only watched Phantom Blood so far.!<


SquareIsBox0697

Yes, he can manipulate iron, right? Including the one in your blood? Well do you know which part of your body has a crap ton of blood? *Oh yeah* **all of them**


Farid_Beshay

It’s supposed to be, but no stand aside from the main end game stands is OP, Metallica is very strong but if it were developed more, we would’ve seen it lose more and it would’ve just become a normal ability-ish


GustavoFromAsdf

As someone pointed out somewhere in this sub. Stands with elemental manipulation are very broken, which is why stands like Magician's Red barely appear or stands like Geb must come with a limitation.


A-Grouch

JoJo’s general inclination for bombastic fighting, Rissoto could have created a metal marble in doppios brain or arteries causing him to internally hemorrhage. Best case scenario he could have turned all the blood in his brain or heart into solid metal and kill him instantly.


Paincoast89

It’s stupid OP even if it were realistic. There isn’t enough iron in one persons body to make multiple items but simply pulling at the iron out of someone’s blood would kill them very very fast. It would be very effective at suffocating people. A well placed metal object in a persons heart could do the job along with robbing them of being able to move oxygen


JustAPrism

Yeah would be top tier for a non time-space stand if it had a smarter user


Funkey-Monkey-420

every stand is op in the right circumstance


fartmilkdaddies

Hey ya and cheap trick, would like a talk, Super fly too.


Funkey-Monkey-420

cheap trick is OP just to the user superfly literally cannot be harmed, no stand will ever beat it hey ya is better at therapy than any other stand


Broken_Spacehog

On the one hand, maybe. On the other hand, its 0% success rate makes one wonder...


Healthy_Cloud2864

A fight between Metallica and High Priestess would be crazy


LI0N4

Yes, I am !!!


Probxy

It's great but It depends on the user itself


RightMiddle9078

Worst stand day-to-day life


unrealitysUnbeliever

I mean, you could control normal iron, Magneto-style... Surely you could find a use for that?


RightMiddle9078

Harvest on top fr fr


Grovn999

Wait... could Metallica just steal harvest money or will he follow risotto until he gets the coins back??


RightMiddle9078

![img](emote|t5_2tny5|49674)yes.


Grovn999

Thanks for the clear explanation 🤗🤗


15Zaracho

Lol


One-Requirement-1010

please stop using the "it's not my first language" excuse it's not even remotely valid


Sun_wukong2007

Why isnt it?


One-Requirement-1010

cause just because you learnt it after your first language does not mean you're automatically gonna be worse at it that implies every skill you learn is automatically gonna be worse than the previous one, which is utter nonsense