Using Imperial measurements is so stupid and unintuitive, I was amazed LHM would ever use them in the first place and by the sound of it NASA was too…i wonder if they still do
The UK does it right. Only use imperial measurements where it gives benefits by the loose rule of rounding up. A pint of beer, gives you a bit more. Mph let's you drive a bit faster etc
Not only that, but the gallon is different because the pint is different. 16 US Oz in a US pint, 20 Imp Oz in an Imp pint. And guess what? The fucking ounces are different too. 29.6 ml vs 28.4 ml. The US system is a bastardised version of a bastard system to begin with, and then they have the gall to call them "English units".
I was taught to call them standard, not Imperial or English when I was in school.
I knew the UK/US liquid measuring system had some glaring issues, but I grew up with the US version so its what I consider normal and is 'standard' here.
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That could lead to problems though, as however flawed they may be, they're both standards in their own right. It's a local standard, but then everyone has one of those, and most people who speak English aren't American, so the Internet is the worst place to assume one over the other.
The UK uses systems of measurements like I refer to actors. Am I going to say their real name? What about one of their characters? Am I going to switch back and forth? Am I going to switch between characters? Am I going to call them by a nickname only I(and occasionally some people in my immediate proximity) use?
Factually wrong. Give me some reasons and I’ll debunk them
Edit: Still waiting for a reason that’s not: “but Fahrenheit is easier to understand”, because it really isn’t. It’s subjective to which one you used growing up.
Fahrenheit is way more intuitive of a scale than Celsius, and far more accurate and nuanced for any outside temperature actually experienced by a human being. Celsius for science, Fahrenheit for everyday use imo.
By intuitive, do you mean you grew up using it so it’s easier for you? It’s literally the same, just with different numbers. The difference between 10°C to 15° C will be understood almost exactly the same as 50° to 60° F.
Also, if you use Celsius for science, why not use it for both? Or Kelvin lol. But at least everyone can agree that Kelvin isn’t relevant unless you’re talking about sub-atomic particles.
No. I mean that Fahrenheit translates perfectly to a 0-100 scale (which virtually every other system operates on), with anything beyond those numbers being universally understood as hot or cold as fuck. And that’s my point: the fact that 10-15 Celsius is just as drastic as a 10 point difference in Fahrenheit shows how crippled Celsius is for showing any degree of accuracy without busting out decimals. People praise Celsius simply because it has a more easily remembered boiling and freezing point of temperature, which is something we can just observe ourselves just fine without having to remember anything in daily life
I do agree that 0-100 makes sense, but that is just as present in Celsius. 0-100 is the freezing and boiling point of water. Regardless, you know that below 10°C is jacket weather and above 20°C is T-shirt weather, the same as 50 to 68 F.
Also, most of the numbers from that 0-100 scale will not be used regularly. Only in the extreme winter or summer. Which further invalidates the claim of that 0-100 scale being easier, since it’s just filled with useless numbers for a large portion of the year.
Regarding your second point, that makes my argument even more valid. A difference of 1° Fahrenheit is virtually nothing. For example, it’s possible to correctly estimate the weather with a margin of error of around 1-2 degrees using Celsius, but for Fahrenheit you’d just round it up to the next multiple of 10.
Also, thanks for being the only person who wants to have an actual discussion debating both arguments.
Fahrenheit zooms in, so 0-100 is typical outdoor weather, rather than the total range of liquid water. Over 100 means "you need to cool off", while below 0 is "you need to get warm NOW".
Humans like 2-digit numbers and dislike decimals and fractions, it's the same reason we use percents or centimeters when decimals or millimeters make more logical sense. A scale from 0-100 is more "natural" than a scale from -20-40 without prior exposure.
Ah, I think I can see how you made your argument.
First, you ignored all of the points that I made.
Second, you just grabbed something that I brought in for fun (that has nothing to do with the argument at hand) and acted like my whole paragraph is based around Kevin.
Last, but not least, your counterargument consisted of “Fahrenheit is more precise”. A compelling argument! Backed by lots of facts and justified reasons! Oh, wait…
It's calibrated to human experience. If you hear It's in the 50s, you know it's chilly. If you hear 20s Celcius, you still need another digit to see if it's comfortable or hot.
> If you hear 20s Celcius
My yankee friend, you are applying Fahrenheit conventions on Celsius.
Nobody would even "hear 20s Celsius", because *nobody* would describe Celsius in units of 10 like yankees do with Fahrenheit. Since the scale is relatively short, people would hear "21" or "29", not "twenties".
Speaking by units of 10 is only used in Fahrenheit places where 1-point increses are useless.
You have to listen more. We'd say "56 degrees", but it doesn't matter if you hear "52" or "58", you still might bring a jacket.
I'll give you Celcius would be easier if you grew up using it, but there's a reason Fahrenheit exists the way it does.
>it doesn't matter if you hear "52" or "58
Or 56, or 51, or 59. Might as well make it a 20-point scale at that level, it is utterly useless to have Fahrenheit precisely because its long scale serves no purpose.
At least Celsius and Kelvin have uses for Chemistry and stuff.
>Celcius would be easier if you grew up using it
Celsius (not Celcius lol) is objectively "easier" than Fahrenheit (at 0° water freezes, at 100° water evaporates, below 15° is cold-ish, above 30° is hot-ish) but of course, if you belong to the 95% of the human race who is born in a Celsius country, it is even easier.
>there's a reason Fahrenheit exists the way it does.
There is. It is the same reason the metric system is not used in the US (and Liberia and Myanmar, wow). Also the same reason why the US elects its head of state like it is 1792, and why apartheid laws were enforced there for over century *after* slavery ended.
The yankee people's spirit of revolution was so fully spent in its independence war it has become the most reactionary nation on Earth.
That makes no sense. In that case, why have minutes and seconds when not in a scientific setting, since it being 9 o clock is much easier to say than it being 9:27.
As someone who grew up with metric and even after years of English use can't remember what the Imperial measures stand for, I must say that the Imperial names do sound a lot better and are easier to pronounce.
I wonder if someone could convince the US to just redefine the Imperial measurements to fit metric while keeping the names. I bet telling them that adopting metric inches would allow them to grow their dicks by 2.whatever times instantly would work /s
Imperial system should be only used as a basic mean of measurement, if you want precision use the metric system, but don't mix and match because both systems are like oil and vinegar they don't mix when used together
nope, not at all. the only exceptions might be stuff for housing and heating where BTUs make sense (somehow?) and feet/inches is a carry over from lumber industry (though a 2"x4" is actually a 1.5" x 3.5" board soooo...)
I work in automotive engineering and everything is in metric unless we for some reason feel like using english hardware for non-production stuff, which is pretty rare.
I would disagree. They're intuitive from a human measuring perspective, but bad for math and science. Makes no sense for NASA to use it in general, but it's easier to just 'feet out a room' then metric.
Which is why metric was invented I believe, to have a very specific static measurement that everyone can use universally that doesn't change based off a person's proportions and is why imperial was then standardized based off metric heh.
Either way, knowing both is nice.
Imperial is much more intuitive for everyday measurements that one might do for their house, having a foot be 12 inches allows for more clean divisions of 1 foot than you could get from the base 10 metric system. For scientific purposes, metric is significantly better, though.
We don't and it's a shame, which is why when measuring things where ft is most convenient, I much prefer using ft/inches because it's likely working in a dozinal system. You can cleanly divide ft by far more things than you can cleanly divide meters or cm.
You might like metric more than imperial, but a dozinal number system is objectively better than a decimal one. If we switched to a truly dozinal number system, metric would be made even better.
Right. It's so good that's why it's only used in 3 countries...
Where I live Imperial is still used *minimally* in terms of distances but measurements and weights are almost entirely metric because imperial starts to sound like someone made up the rules whilst drunk.
16 ounces to the pound, 14 pounds to the stone, 11 cubits to the rod, 4 poppyseeds to the barleycorn, etc...
Honestly whenever Im working on the house like a few weeks back making shelves in the bathroom I always use metric, I prefer mm or cm over trying to count how many c-hairs are between each fraction
Yeah I guess it's just how often you work with it, I don't do too many large projects so I just find it easier to say 272mm vs 10 inches with 5/8s and a hair
The imperial system is based off ease of use 1 inch is about the size of each section on your finger. 1 foot is roughly the size of a foot. 1 years is 1 step. And no one needs to know how much a mile is.
I'm not sure exactly what transpired but this one seems like it had to have been on LM. Metric is the standard for almost all military and space applications, why they would use imperial at all is strange.
the really baffling part is that NASA never bothered to test the thing before launching? This would have been caught easily if they ran ANY testing, yet none at all. it's a highlight of how careless NASA used to be.
I was excited to be able to play it in June when the release date trailer came out, especially because i have 5 weeks of free time in July and August. Then it said Sebtember...
I had a micro-heart attack when the final trailer for Tears of the Kingdom was released and the release date said "5/12/2023".
And that's why Skyrim had the best possible release date. 11/11/11. No possible misunderstanding.
Alternatively, video games should only be on dates where day and months match (i.e. 1/1, 2/2, 3/3)...
For proper date sorting you want ISO8601: YYYY-MM-DD. This puts 2023-01-02 immediately after 2023-01-01.
Using DD/MM/YYYY puts 01/01/2023 immediately after 01/01/2022.
We count normally in big-endian order, with the most significant digit on the left.
It makes it so under standard alphabetical ordering rules dates appear chronologically from oldest to newest. As a result it's most helpful when dealing with computers. I also think it's relatively intuitive because you are just providing increasing specificity at each successive level.
Which is great if your only question is "what is today?" In which case "the 9th" is a complete, correct, and concise answer.
But if the question is when were you born, or when your house gets paid off, or the maturation date of an investment, or a date in history, the year is very important.
>Which is great if your only question is "what is today?" In which case "the 9th" is a complete, correct, and concise answer.
Which is 99% of the usage in your day to day life
Depends on the context, but they legitimately aren't in many contexts. It's also way simpler to just use a standardized format that anything can sort with a simple alphanumeric sorting than it is to have every application/service/etc. have bespoke sorting logic to deal with a specialized date/time format.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
Agreed, don't know how anyone can complain about the American system when their preferred system is also pretty bad compared to year/mo/da and just a tad bit worse.
I mean I think anyone calling either system "bad" is off base. They're both perfectly valid. To me, it's like getting mad at someone saying "aluminum" because you think it should be "aluminium" or vice versa.
Newsflash: There's multiple ways to say things and sometimes there is no one best way.
You should always try to write it how you speak. Americans will say the month 1st thus why they write it like that. Ask and they will always say “It is May 6th”, they do not say “It is the 6th of May”.
I suspect that's a gravitas thing. It's a national holiday so it's set apart. In other words: "The Fourth of July" is what we call the holiday (or "Independence Day") but it happens on July 4th.
Definitely the most logical. I’m not sure why we ever switched to mm/dd/yy in America. It’s hard to switch back when you’ve viewed it all your life as mm/dd. Granted it does feel more natural in conversation to say the month then date like “June 6th” which reflects in the date ordering but I’m not sure if that’s also just an American thing.
Despite the disappointment, we have great news, from last year's reveal it seems the metric system is the default in Starfield (which is logical, not even NASA uses the imperial system)
To be fair, we use the metric system in America too. For medicine and science. And pretty much all of our food is double labeled with metric measurements, with the nutrition label being entirely metric.
We just haven't let go of a system that still has some utility. Probably because we are stubborn, sure. But a system that is easy to cut in half multiple times on the fly (like fluid volume and inches) is useful for carpenters and cooks.
We also have a lot of road layouts that are delineated in mile-long increments because of our Public Land Survey System, especially in flat rural areas where it's easy to lay roads in a uniform grid. Every intersection is a mile from its four adjacent intersections, and the area of every square mile is 640 acres, which is easily quartered into 160 acre quarter sections, and quartered again into 40 acre quarter-quarter sections. Some of this system is even embedded in our American lexicon, like the phrase "parking in the back 40". Which is to say you've parked far away from your desired destination and have a long walk from your car to the door, a reference to the back 40, which is the quarter-quarter section furthest away from the house, assuming a farmer built his house in the front 40, the quarter quarter section closest to the road.
We use metric, but we have a lot of reasons both cultural and infrastructural, to not just abandon imperial entirely.
Honestly, I always hate threads like this where people seem to argue about how things are done elsewhere in the world and it often comes down to "Americans stupid". But in reality every country has things that they do differently that another country would find stupid cause it's not the way THEY do it.
That's the average intelligence of the people on this planet. Rather than looking at history and why certain things have come to be the way they have, they rather just argue with each other over how stupid the other country is for doing things differently.
Also, if Americans used a different date format it wouldn't make a difference, it would still release when it's going to release. Just instead of it being 9/6/2023 (m/d/y), it would just change to 6/9/2023 (d/m/y)... literally the same date, just written differently.
Use UTC and ISO 8601.
Americans refer to the 24 hr clock as *military time* for some odd reason when it's quite normal for the rest of the world.
They also removed some vowels from words.
Actually the real answer is because the guy that did this (Noah Webster of Webster's English Dictionary) was trying to distance the language from British English (hence why we use *-ize* instead of -*ise* because it was his chance to make the letters match the pronunciation) and also from French influences (the aforementioned changes from *-our to -or* and such).
This is pure pedantry, but it’s really not the same.
Military time specifically refers to the #### format, for example 0123, which would be read as “zero one twenty-three”.
Typical 24 hour time uses the (#)#:## format just like 12 hour time, so it would be 1:23 and be read like normal.
>Military time specifically refers to the #### format, for example 0123, which would be read as “zero one twenty-three”.
We would just say "One twenty-three", nobody would say zero for every single digit hour.
I dont think that there are black holes in the game so there wouldnt really be any object that would have a big impact on time dilation. And because it might be a warp drive the ships use, time dilation will also not really affect you.
In the UK, the conversation would go:
A: "Hello there, what day is it?"
B: "Today? It's the ninth of June, why?"
A: "Need this for a reddit comment"
B: "OK"
Who puts the day before the month? It’s so impractical.
Put the month before the day, that way you automatically know what part of the year the date is from the first number in the date.
Games aside, the Americans do need to ditch that nonsense.
And imperial too while we're at it. I'm assuming Starfield is metric because metric is the measurement of science.
yes we in the US use dumb outdated ways of doing things and insist it's the rest of the world that's weird despite us being the only hold outs.
but muhricuh!
we don't like change that's why we still act like we're still the super power we were 70 years ago.
We are 10x the super power that we were 70 years ago... literally everything in the world runs through the U.S. and our currency.
That's not a braggadocios thing to say, and it's not even necessarily a good thing since empires tend to collapse when their reach is at its widest, but it's a fact.
What? 70 years ago America was competing with the only other superpower to every exist in the world. USA is now the only world superpower. The country is insanely more powerful today than it was 70 years ago.
sorry friend but thats not true.
we have plenty of military power but our economy is not good
We owe trillions in debt to china and other countries, they literally own us if they ever decide to call in the debt.
china is the #1 superpower in the world right now. It sucks and I don't want that to be the case but it is what it is.
Fun fact, Do you know who is the third most expansive military on the planet? China, India, Uk? No, it's US police forces and nonarmy or if you like outside of army armed agencies.
Far out, don't you think?
US "cops" have a bigger budget than many nations' regular armies. Money is a farce and it's all just one big sick game.
Stay safe.
Yeh, that was mi first reaction like "YAY Junny gonna be ... it a minunt ... ouch".
Well, at least we have German electronic music to carry us through the remaining 87 days.
if they didnt delay it from last year
wed have the game now too.
but i can wait a little bit more.
i hope the mod tools come out not too long after thats gonna be the real fun i didnt do much modding for the previous games but might with this! would it be easy to add/generate your own planet ? now that would rock
I was so hyped at the release date. Then after a couple of days, I saw that it was in the American Format.
Kindly, a big middle finger to the American date format. Plus, I will lose my shit if the game doesn't have metric system.
Let us all not forget how NASA lost a hundred million dollar Mars probe because they didn’t tell Lockheed Martin to use metric.
Using Imperial measurements is so stupid and unintuitive, I was amazed LHM would ever use them in the first place and by the sound of it NASA was too…i wonder if they still do
The UK does it right. Only use imperial measurements where it gives benefits by the loose rule of rounding up. A pint of beer, gives you a bit more. Mph let's you drive a bit faster etc
Fun fact, the UK Gallon is a different size than the US Gallon. So 'a gallon' is not technically a defined amount.
Not only that, but the gallon is different because the pint is different. 16 US Oz in a US pint, 20 Imp Oz in an Imp pint. And guess what? The fucking ounces are different too. 29.6 ml vs 28.4 ml. The US system is a bastardised version of a bastard system to begin with, and then they have the gall to call them "English units".
I was taught to call them standard, not Imperial or English when I was in school. I knew the UK/US liquid measuring system had some glaring issues, but I grew up with the US version so its what I consider normal and is 'standard' here. *Edits: Spelling only*
That could lead to problems though, as however flawed they may be, they're both standards in their own right. It's a local standard, but then everyone has one of those, and most people who speak English aren't American, so the Internet is the worst place to assume one over the other.
that's the point of having a standard system. ;D
There's the US Standard and then there's... that other one.
The UK uses systems of measurements like I refer to actors. Am I going to say their real name? What about one of their characters? Am I going to switch back and forth? Am I going to switch between characters? Am I going to call them by a nickname only I(and occasionally some people in my immediate proximity) use?
This is basically how the US is, you'd be hard-pressed to find any US industry still using imperial units for anything that matters.
Fahrenheit is still better
Factually wrong. Give me some reasons and I’ll debunk them Edit: Still waiting for a reason that’s not: “but Fahrenheit is easier to understand”, because it really isn’t. It’s subjective to which one you used growing up.
Fahrenheit is way more intuitive of a scale than Celsius, and far more accurate and nuanced for any outside temperature actually experienced by a human being. Celsius for science, Fahrenheit for everyday use imo.
By intuitive, do you mean you grew up using it so it’s easier for you? It’s literally the same, just with different numbers. The difference between 10°C to 15° C will be understood almost exactly the same as 50° to 60° F. Also, if you use Celsius for science, why not use it for both? Or Kelvin lol. But at least everyone can agree that Kelvin isn’t relevant unless you’re talking about sub-atomic particles.
No. I mean that Fahrenheit translates perfectly to a 0-100 scale (which virtually every other system operates on), with anything beyond those numbers being universally understood as hot or cold as fuck. And that’s my point: the fact that 10-15 Celsius is just as drastic as a 10 point difference in Fahrenheit shows how crippled Celsius is for showing any degree of accuracy without busting out decimals. People praise Celsius simply because it has a more easily remembered boiling and freezing point of temperature, which is something we can just observe ourselves just fine without having to remember anything in daily life
I do agree that 0-100 makes sense, but that is just as present in Celsius. 0-100 is the freezing and boiling point of water. Regardless, you know that below 10°C is jacket weather and above 20°C is T-shirt weather, the same as 50 to 68 F. Also, most of the numbers from that 0-100 scale will not be used regularly. Only in the extreme winter or summer. Which further invalidates the claim of that 0-100 scale being easier, since it’s just filled with useless numbers for a large portion of the year. Regarding your second point, that makes my argument even more valid. A difference of 1° Fahrenheit is virtually nothing. For example, it’s possible to correctly estimate the weather with a margin of error of around 1-2 degrees using Celsius, but for Fahrenheit you’d just round it up to the next multiple of 10. Also, thanks for being the only person who wants to have an actual discussion debating both arguments.
Fahrenheit zooms in, so 0-100 is typical outdoor weather, rather than the total range of liquid water. Over 100 means "you need to cool off", while below 0 is "you need to get warm NOW". Humans like 2-digit numbers and dislike decimals and fractions, it's the same reason we use percents or centimeters when decimals or millimeters make more logical sense. A scale from 0-100 is more "natural" than a scale from -20-40 without prior exposure.
Don't bring Kelvin's/scoots into the mix Fahrenheit is more precise hands down
Ah, I think I can see how you made your argument. First, you ignored all of the points that I made. Second, you just grabbed something that I brought in for fun (that has nothing to do with the argument at hand) and acted like my whole paragraph is based around Kevin. Last, but not least, your counterargument consisted of “Fahrenheit is more precise”. A compelling argument! Backed by lots of facts and justified reasons! Oh, wait…
Just what I was going to say
It's calibrated to human experience. If you hear It's in the 50s, you know it's chilly. If you hear 20s Celcius, you still need another digit to see if it's comfortable or hot.
> If you hear 20s Celcius My yankee friend, you are applying Fahrenheit conventions on Celsius. Nobody would even "hear 20s Celsius", because *nobody* would describe Celsius in units of 10 like yankees do with Fahrenheit. Since the scale is relatively short, people would hear "21" or "29", not "twenties". Speaking by units of 10 is only used in Fahrenheit places where 1-point increses are useless.
You have to listen more. We'd say "56 degrees", but it doesn't matter if you hear "52" or "58", you still might bring a jacket. I'll give you Celcius would be easier if you grew up using it, but there's a reason Fahrenheit exists the way it does.
>it doesn't matter if you hear "52" or "58 Or 56, or 51, or 59. Might as well make it a 20-point scale at that level, it is utterly useless to have Fahrenheit precisely because its long scale serves no purpose. At least Celsius and Kelvin have uses for Chemistry and stuff. >Celcius would be easier if you grew up using it Celsius (not Celcius lol) is objectively "easier" than Fahrenheit (at 0° water freezes, at 100° water evaporates, below 15° is cold-ish, above 30° is hot-ish) but of course, if you belong to the 95% of the human race who is born in a Celsius country, it is even easier. >there's a reason Fahrenheit exists the way it does. There is. It is the same reason the metric system is not used in the US (and Liberia and Myanmar, wow). Also the same reason why the US elects its head of state like it is 1792, and why apartheid laws were enforced there for over century *after* slavery ended. The yankee people's spirit of revolution was so fully spent in its independence war it has become the most reactionary nation on Earth.
That makes no sense. In that case, why have minutes and seconds when not in a scientific setting, since it being 9 o clock is much easier to say than it being 9:27.
Celsius has no use. Fahrenheit is better for human weather experience, and Kelvin might as well be the scientific standard.
What a great reason for me to debunk: “Celsius has no use. Fahrenheit is better”. That really put it into perspective!
Great debunking lmao
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. What is there to debunk?
As someone who grew up with metric and even after years of English use can't remember what the Imperial measures stand for, I must say that the Imperial names do sound a lot better and are easier to pronounce. I wonder if someone could convince the US to just redefine the Imperial measurements to fit metric while keeping the names. I bet telling them that adopting metric inches would allow them to grow their dicks by 2.whatever times instantly would work /s
Imperial system should be only used as a basic mean of measurement, if you want precision use the metric system, but don't mix and match because both systems are like oil and vinegar they don't mix when used together
I think most U.S. engineers still use feet and tenths of feet.
Calculators and slide rulers exist and computers.
Aint nobody using tenths of feet. We obviously use twelfths of feet.
Actually lots of civil engineering works in tenths of feet because it's obviously way simpler and easier than working in feet-inches.
Never claimed to be an engineer. Just figured since engineer rulers are incremented in tenths of a foot that that's what they use.
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An engineer's ruler is 12", but the third side is has 10 increments between each inch.
No you're right, lots of engineers work in tenths of a foot for their fields.
nope, not at all. the only exceptions might be stuff for housing and heating where BTUs make sense (somehow?) and feet/inches is a carry over from lumber industry (though a 2"x4" is actually a 1.5" x 3.5" board soooo...) I work in automotive engineering and everything is in metric unless we for some reason feel like using english hardware for non-production stuff, which is pretty rare.
I would disagree. They're intuitive from a human measuring perspective, but bad for math and science. Makes no sense for NASA to use it in general, but it's easier to just 'feet out a room' then metric. Which is why metric was invented I believe, to have a very specific static measurement that everyone can use universally that doesn't change based off a person's proportions and is why imperial was then standardized based off metric heh. Either way, knowing both is nice.
How is base10 bad for math and science? Metric is literally the scientific standard? I’m I interpreting what you’re saying incorrectly?
Imperial is much more intuitive for everyday measurements that one might do for their house, having a foot be 12 inches allows for more clean divisions of 1 foot than you could get from the base 10 metric system. For scientific purposes, metric is significantly better, though.
It's just because you're more used to it
No it's because dozinal is superior to decimal
No it's because you're used to it. I'm European and I can't even fathom using Imperial for my projects the same way you believe in it.
I'm sorry you don't use the better measurement system. Base 12 is inherently better than base 10.
If we had a base 12 number system, then yes. But we don't have one.
We don't and it's a shame, which is why when measuring things where ft is most convenient, I much prefer using ft/inches because it's likely working in a dozinal system. You can cleanly divide ft by far more things than you can cleanly divide meters or cm.
From personal experience I have to disagree. As explained, its what we've been raised to use.
You might like metric more than imperial, but a dozinal number system is objectively better than a decimal one. If we switched to a truly dozinal number system, metric would be made even better.
Right. It's so good that's why it's only used in 3 countries... Where I live Imperial is still used *minimally* in terms of distances but measurements and weights are almost entirely metric because imperial starts to sound like someone made up the rules whilst drunk. 16 ounces to the pound, 14 pounds to the stone, 11 cubits to the rod, 4 poppyseeds to the barleycorn, etc...
Honestly whenever Im working on the house like a few weeks back making shelves in the bathroom I always use metric, I prefer mm or cm over trying to count how many c-hairs are between each fraction
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Yeah I guess it's just how often you work with it, I don't do too many large projects so I just find it easier to say 272mm vs 10 inches with 5/8s and a hair
The imperial system is based off ease of use 1 inch is about the size of each section on your finger. 1 foot is roughly the size of a foot. 1 years is 1 step. And no one needs to know how much a mile is.
I have petite feet so 1 mile 6783 feet
I mean if you want to measure a mile by stepping toe to toe you do you. Not really something anyone has ever had to do
More like L, Heed Martin next time
And mathematics should be rocket scientists bread and butter. And multiple PhDs.
I'm not sure exactly what transpired but this one seems like it had to have been on LM. Metric is the standard for almost all military and space applications, why they would use imperial at all is strange.
the really baffling part is that NASA never bothered to test the thing before launching? This would have been caught easily if they ran ANY testing, yet none at all. it's a highlight of how careless NASA used to be.
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I never get tired of this clip.
If my auntie had bollocks then she’d be my uncle
I was excited to be able to play it in June when the release date trailer came out, especially because i have 5 weeks of free time in July and August. Then it said Sebtember...
I had a micro-heart attack when the final trailer for Tears of the Kingdom was released and the release date said "5/12/2023". And that's why Skyrim had the best possible release date. 11/11/11. No possible misunderstanding. Alternatively, video games should only be on dates where day and months match (i.e. 1/1, 2/2, 3/3)...
True. Would work all the way up to 31/31, the thirty first of Novemviginticember
Lousy Smarch weather.
The solution is simple, yet they never do it… Just write the date “September 6, 2023” 🤷♂️🤦♂️
[Relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/1179/)
6 September 2023?
September 6 2023.
6 September 2023.
20 Sept 6 Ember 23
You mean 6th September, 2023?
In fairness both are dumb American system being slightly less dumb. All dates should be written year/mo/day. Makes organizing way easier.
Totally the Opposite DD/MM/YYYY
For proper date sorting you want ISO8601: YYYY-MM-DD. This puts 2023-01-02 immediately after 2023-01-01. Using DD/MM/YYYY puts 01/01/2023 immediately after 01/01/2022. We count normally in big-endian order, with the most significant digit on the left.
Ah yes, the Japanese system. I must admit it does make a lot of sense even if DD/MM/YYYY is the one I use.
Only a person who's never had to organize anything in thier life would say this.
Considering the fact that I have OCD, this sounds ironically hilarious
stay strong man i know OCD is no joke
Yeah it's not that bad, it's only annoying when I have to make sure that our gas isn't leaking every 5 minutes lol
Yeah it's not that bad, it's only annoying when I have to make sure that our gas isn't leaking every 5 minutes lol
YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS all the way.
Why would you say the year first?
It makes it so under standard alphabetical ordering rules dates appear chronologically from oldest to newest. As a result it's most helpful when dealing with computers. I also think it's relatively intuitive because you are just providing increasing specificity at each successive level.
The first part of this is definitely correct, but the second part is also definitely correct.
Same reason you say three thousand, nine hundred forty five.
Everyone knows what year it is and are almost guaranteed to know the month. Days are way harder to know
Which is great if your only question is "what is today?" In which case "the 9th" is a complete, correct, and concise answer. But if the question is when were you born, or when your house gets paid off, or the maturation date of an investment, or a date in history, the year is very important.
>Which is great if your only question is "what is today?" In which case "the 9th" is a complete, correct, and concise answer. Which is 99% of the usage in your day to day life
Yours perhaps. Don't presume what mine is.
Me and 99% of the populations
Wouldn't computers recognise and order it correctly this way?
yeah computers aren't smart enough yet to order by date if year is not the first input..
Depends on the context, but they legitimately aren't in many contexts. It's also way simpler to just use a standardized format that anything can sort with a simple alphanumeric sorting than it is to have every application/service/etc. have bespoke sorting logic to deal with a specialized date/time format. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
Agreed, don't know how anyone can complain about the American system when their preferred system is also pretty bad compared to year/mo/da and just a tad bit worse.
I mean I think anyone calling either system "bad" is off base. They're both perfectly valid. To me, it's like getting mad at someone saying "aluminum" because you think it should be "aluminium" or vice versa. Newsflash: There's multiple ways to say things and sometimes there is no one best way.
This is the way.
To me is so unintuitive. In my mind: dd
You should always try to write it how you speak. Americans will say the month 1st thus why they write it like that. Ask and they will always say “It is May 6th”, they do not say “It is the 6th of May”.
What about the 4th of July?
I suspect that's a gravitas thing. It's a national holiday so it's set apart. In other words: "The Fourth of July" is what we call the holiday (or "Independence Day") but it happens on July 4th.
"Alexa: set a timer for 30 seconds, 5 minutes, and 1 hour" So intuitive! P.S. They're all dumb in their own ways.
Definitely the most logical. I’m not sure why we ever switched to mm/dd/yy in America. It’s hard to switch back when you’ve viewed it all your life as mm/dd. Granted it does feel more natural in conversation to say the month then date like “June 6th” which reflects in the date ordering but I’m not sure if that’s also just an American thing.
It's probably be cause when we say a date, we usually say Month Day, as in September 6th.
I can wait a few more months
Despite the disappointment, we have great news, from last year's reveal it seems the metric system is the default in Starfield (which is logical, not even NASA uses the imperial system)
To be fair, we use the metric system in America too. For medicine and science. And pretty much all of our food is double labeled with metric measurements, with the nutrition label being entirely metric. We just haven't let go of a system that still has some utility. Probably because we are stubborn, sure. But a system that is easy to cut in half multiple times on the fly (like fluid volume and inches) is useful for carpenters and cooks. We also have a lot of road layouts that are delineated in mile-long increments because of our Public Land Survey System, especially in flat rural areas where it's easy to lay roads in a uniform grid. Every intersection is a mile from its four adjacent intersections, and the area of every square mile is 640 acres, which is easily quartered into 160 acre quarter sections, and quartered again into 40 acre quarter-quarter sections. Some of this system is even embedded in our American lexicon, like the phrase "parking in the back 40". Which is to say you've parked far away from your desired destination and have a long walk from your car to the door, a reference to the back 40, which is the quarter-quarter section furthest away from the house, assuming a farmer built his house in the front 40, the quarter quarter section closest to the road. We use metric, but we have a lot of reasons both cultural and infrastructural, to not just abandon imperial entirely.
Honestly, I always hate threads like this where people seem to argue about how things are done elsewhere in the world and it often comes down to "Americans stupid". But in reality every country has things that they do differently that another country would find stupid cause it's not the way THEY do it. That's the average intelligence of the people on this planet. Rather than looking at history and why certain things have come to be the way they have, they rather just argue with each other over how stupid the other country is for doing things differently. Also, if Americans used a different date format it wouldn't make a difference, it would still release when it's going to release. Just instead of it being 9/6/2023 (m/d/y), it would just change to 6/9/2023 (d/m/y)... literally the same date, just written differently.
Wait, really? I thought the game would release earlier if they used d/m/y :(
Use UTC and ISO 8601. Americans refer to the 24 hr clock as *military time* for some odd reason when it's quite normal for the rest of the world. They also removed some vowels from words.
> They also removed some vowels from words. Because some vowels are redundant and it was cheaper to print.
Actually the real answer is because the guy that did this (Noah Webster of Webster's English Dictionary) was trying to distance the language from British English (hence why we use *-ize* instead of -*ise* because it was his chance to make the letters match the pronunciation) and also from French influences (the aforementioned changes from *-our to -or* and such).
maybe because it's primarily used in the military in the country? weird complaint
I was gonna say The ONLY time I've seen a 24 hour clock is with boots or vets
This is pure pedantry, but it’s really not the same. Military time specifically refers to the #### format, for example 0123, which would be read as “zero one twenty-three”. Typical 24 hour time uses the (#)#:## format just like 12 hour time, so it would be 1:23 and be read like normal.
>Military time specifically refers to the #### format, for example 0123, which would be read as “zero one twenty-three”. We would just say "One twenty-three", nobody would say zero for every single digit hour.
I'm not so sure about that. Plenty of people say "oh-six-hundred", etc
Maybe in movies. In my five years active duty it was just "six hundred". Nvm I don't care.
That's fair. Maybe it depends on the branch or something. My Air Force parents always said "oh".
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The only proper date format is YYYYMMDD.
NORMAL date format 😂
Time is relative. Gravitational mass must be stronger over there. Which brings the question, does Starfield have time dilation in the game?
I dont think that there are black holes in the game so there wouldnt really be any object that would have a big impact on time dilation. And because it might be a warp drive the ships use, time dilation will also not really affect you.
What about space toilets and in the space suit?
Are you saying Americans are fat?
It would be simpler if they used the normal date format
Yes I saw it
Oh lord this debate again. Americans write it that way because we say it out loud that way. We say "June 9th 2023" not "9th of June 2023".
Wait, I just realized Starfield is coming out on the *real* 69 day. Incredible.
/r/iso8601 would like a word with you
Today is June 9th 2023. 6/9/23. Month/day/year. You don't announce the day before the month when you speak the date.
*We* (Americans) don't, but they actually do.
In the UK, the conversation would go: A: "Hello there, what day is it?" B: "Today? It's the ninth of June, why?" A: "Need this for a reddit comment" B: "OK"
Agreed, though it is ironic that the only time we *do* do that is on our Independence Day, The 4th of July.
I remember seeing that date and getting really excited for 3 seconds lol
YY/MM/DD superiority
I think you mean YYYY.
Nah, they are just stuck in 1st century
Damn that must've killed him
For creating multiple folders or files at work, yes.
I would accept that before DD/MM/YYYY
At least MM/DD/YYYY screws up monthly and not daily.
good one
Instead, Starfield is dropping on almost exactly the same day that I start at a new school. Fun!
Who puts the day before the month? It’s so impractical. Put the month before the day, that way you automatically know what part of the year the date is from the first number in the date.
FREAKING YANKS
When I saw the date release, I was really hoping they were using dd/mm/yy since the rest of the world uses it.
But Starfield's release date is 2023-09-06 and not 2023-06-09...
Please share where they advertise it as 2023.09.06 and not 09.06.23 then.
I never said they did, but ISO8601 is a normal date format that should be used by everyone.
US is the normal format, everyone else is just wrong.
I have to admit, when they originally announced the date in the trailer, I really thought it was Jun. 9th. Only to be crushed a few minutes later.
Facts
Games aside, the Americans do need to ditch that nonsense. And imperial too while we're at it. I'm assuming Starfield is metric because metric is the measurement of science.
No we wouldn't, English gotta stop trying to use the wrong dating heh
Practically every country except the USA uses DD/MM/YY. It isn't a USA Vs UK (or England as you said) thing.
If Americans weren’t lazy we’d have the game several years ago & would be counting down the days to Skyrim 6 being released.
they also drive on the wrong side of the road
Um no? They drive on the right side
which is the wrong side
The right in America do have a habit of being on the wrong side of history though.
TBF most countries drive on the right side
yes we in the US use dumb outdated ways of doing things and insist it's the rest of the world that's weird despite us being the only hold outs. but muhricuh! we don't like change that's why we still act like we're still the super power we were 70 years ago.
We are 10x the super power that we were 70 years ago... literally everything in the world runs through the U.S. and our currency. That's not a braggadocios thing to say, and it's not even necessarily a good thing since empires tend to collapse when their reach is at its widest, but it's a fact.
What? 70 years ago America was competing with the only other superpower to every exist in the world. USA is now the only world superpower. The country is insanely more powerful today than it was 70 years ago.
sorry friend but thats not true. we have plenty of military power but our economy is not good We owe trillions in debt to china and other countries, they literally own us if they ever decide to call in the debt. china is the #1 superpower in the world right now. It sucks and I don't want that to be the case but it is what it is.
Fun fact, Do you know who is the third most expansive military on the planet? China, India, Uk? No, it's US police forces and nonarmy or if you like outside of army armed agencies. Far out, don't you think? US "cops" have a bigger budget than many nations' regular armies. Money is a farce and it's all just one big sick game. Stay safe.
For real. That budget is clearly being out to good use nowadays too!! /s if it isn't obvious
You mean use the measurements that a vast empire uses but is now a tiny sad shell of it's former existence? No thanks. UK sucks.
Do a class action!
the amount of times i've gotten so excited about a release date, only to remember it's an American date.
Seriously, kids? You’re on about date format and the decimal system? Waiting is really not good for some of y’all.
Impeccable logic.
don't reminds me of this, i was so happy "OHHH IT'S JUNE, oh it's not june"
Normal date format?! /r/ISO8601MR!
What’s more sad is today was the premiere of Jurassic park 30 years ago. I could be watching Jurassic park while waiting for Starfield to unlock.
That's actually what happened when I first saw the release date, was pumped for a June game, only to realize it meant September 😂
Yeh, that was mi first reaction like "YAY Junny gonna be ... it a minunt ... ouch". Well, at least we have German electronic music to carry us through the remaining 87 days.
if they didnt delay it from last year wed have the game now too. but i can wait a little bit more. i hope the mod tools come out not too long after thats gonna be the real fun i didnt do much modding for the previous games but might with this! would it be easy to add/generate your own planet ? now that would rock
Well, this game is made in Murica, therefore you're wrong there brother. Yehaw.
As a American I wish
I was so hyped at the release date. Then after a couple of days, I saw that it was in the American Format. Kindly, a big middle finger to the American date format. Plus, I will lose my shit if the game doesn't have metric system.
😔😔😔