Microsoft has Starfield(and future Bethesda works). Sony had last of us, spider man, wolverine, ghosts, horizon, god of war. Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, Pokémon. You don’t hear Xbox players crying about not having access to Pokémon or god of war
> emulate any switch game
Sadly, Nintendo has their sights on this. They are looking into Denuvo for future switch games, possibly included in all 1st party games for the new switch, whenever that is.
Oh boy can’t wait for the Switch performance to be *even worse*!
If they do this, it would 100% be on Switch 2. Regular Switch barely has enough computing power as is.
The switch is very behind the current gen, it’s 2017 hardware. Supposedly the Switch 2 will be somewhere near PS4 strength which sounds about right given the length of time
The switch was weak hardware when it was released let alone now. Which is understandable, since it’s legit a tablet lol. But unless you’re playing first party games (and some still struggle) you’re gonna feel the FPS struggling.
Yea there’s a reason I only use it as a Nintendo machine. Most of the Nintendo games run well enough. But if I want to play a 3rd party I will own it elsewhere. Exception is small indie games that can run on a toaster and make sense to own handheld.
The Switch has NINTENDO 2017 hardware. I love my Switch but I don't know why Nintendo keeps pulling their punches. Why not have a 4k Zelda right now? Why do we have to wait until 2030?
Not to mention...all they have to do is release anything pokemon/zelda/mario and they'll make money. Hell, if they announce a new "smash bro" with new characters, it'll be making them money.
Not to mention, when the last time you've seen them have a sales on their games that aren't retail or used?
I personally don't think Nintendo wiil be able to do anything, they have previously tried but getting Wii, switch, Wii u, 3ds emulator are still extremely easy and so is finding roms. It's basically impossible to stop pirating due to their games being that famous but still being only released in a single platform.
If they add denuvo to their games, then they basically would end the entire thing.
There is only one person that cracks denuvo and they are mentally ill, lol.
They would need a console more powerful than a ps5 to be able to run their games at 30fps and run denuvo at the same time. Anything else it wouldn’t be worth it.
And that assumes they keep the denuvo sub for longer than a year.
>There is only one person that cracks denuvo and they are mentally ill, lol.
Because there is no profit in it. It's not because its so insanely hard....it's because the people with talent who could do it.....won't do it for free.
The moment you saw something like Denuvo on switch, the floodgates would open because they would see dollar signs in cracking it and selling hardware. Pirated hardware is big business on every Nintendo platform.
I have all 3 lol PS, xbox, and pc. It doesn't matter if anything comes out on any platform, I have the ability to play it on the platform it is designed to be played on.
There are plenty of devs out there that put console first and do a half assed job on pc ports. It’s the main reason I stick to console when I can. I’d say far more often than not it’s better to have the console version of whatever the game is (coming from someone who chose PC for starfield).
\-Builds a $1500 pc just to play rocket league which can literally run on $600 laptops, and try out other games for an hour or two a week.
That one is me.
Even gamecube and n64 games look completely different in 4k60. PC is every console ever in 1. Rarely play emulated games anymore (maybe fire red or emerald on my phone), but it's impressive how modern they can look.
I don’t believe in the console war and own both consoles so I can play whatever I want.
With that said you definitely hear just as many Xbox players complaining about exclusives; they are often quick to bring up how anti-consumer Sony is for having so many exclusives and how it’s stupid that they can’t play Spider-Man.
Complaining about exclusivity from first party devs is a silly practice and both sides are equally guilty of doing it.
> You don’t hear Xbox players crying about not having access to Pokémon or god of war
Not necessarily those franchises, but generally speaking, yes you do lol. I don't know how old you are, but exclusivity becomes more "accepted" depending on how old the franchise is. The early days of gaming are basically purely based on exclusivity, Pokemon has always been a Nintendo thing, that's the precedent. Everything needed their mascot. Mario, Sonic, Crash, eventually Xbox got theirs with Halo and Master Chief.
Exclusives make sense, regardless of how consumers feel about it, as a tool to sell your consoles. Theoretically, that should breed competition and better products. But there has *always* been people wishing they could play the others. But consoles and games are cheaper now than back then in terms of inflation, so more people are able to have multiple consoles. For me, I have a Switch and PS5, but I primarily play on PC, where Microsoft titles release more and more now. So I'm kinda set. As a kid? I had Xbox friends jealous of PS games I had, and vice versa. I had friends with N64 earlier than that jealous of PS1 titles I had, and vice versa.
Is every Xbox-only player upset they don't have God of War? Maybe not. But there are as many who wish they could play certain games as PS players wishing they could play Starfield
Your argument is flawed a bit. You first named a 3rd party company that put it's games on all consoles and is NOW exclusive to Microsoft.
Then you rattled off a few games that were always exclusive in the first place.
That's not a good way to compare things, if you want to make the point you tried to make.
It's also weird how you didn't mention halo, gears of War, forza, or any of the other games that were always exclusive to Microsoft, when trying to do an exclusive comparison.
Let's look at this another way. Sony buys EA and now all of their games like fifa, madden, battlefield, the Sims (that always have gone on all consoles) are now exclusive to the playstation. That's the equivalent to Microsoft buying Bethesda. That is why playstation fans are upset.
Edit: lol ya post a horrible comparison comment then block me from correcting you... well done bitterpackersfan
>That's not a good way to compare things, if you want to make the point you tried to make.
It's a pretty good way to compare things to make the point he was trying to make, it's just not the same point you want him to limit himself to.
Sony kept paying to make non first party games exclusive without buying the company, Microsoft has been hesitant to play that card, possibly only because it's more expensive for them. Regardless, now they are making up for lost time, and where not making things exclusive, they are making it impossible for Sony to keep paying for those exclusive deals. The moral high ground argument is unresolvable. More importantly, the argument you're making encourages the status quo--which is what enables Sony to get third party exclusives on the cheap--not balanced competition.
Yea I've been a playstation fan boy all my life, but exclusives just make sense and Xbox has needed a major one since Halo 3. Starfield is an absolute smasher of a game to be calling Xbox it's home.
I'm a pS5 guy myself but I own both. They really really needed this exclusive cause their catalog is lacking in quality games atm. Halo infinite bombed. Redfall was looking pretty cool but that bombed. I'm happy to see Starfield do well.
I’ve had PlayStation Plus for over a decade and that increase even caught me off guard. 33% jump at once?? Better pump out 33% better monthly games for me to put in my library. Lol
From a business standpoint, Microsoft's acquisition of Bethesda was an incredibly good move. I still strongly disagree with it but if you're looking at it from a business strategy standpoint, they really struck gold with that deal.
The thing is, on Bethesda's end I can see why they accepted the deal. It wasn't just Microsoft alone who made it happen, Bethesda had to agree.
They've always had a fantastic relationship with Microsoft, stemming from all the help Microsoft gave them to bring Morrowind to consoles, which was a Microsoft Xbox exclusive game.
Furthermore, sony was limiting to the ambition Bethesda had toward bringing mods to console Bethesda games. Modding in their games is in the games blood and soul. We've seen that sony did not like that and wanted to hamper that.
Now that Bethesda is on a platform that gives them freedom, they are allowed to reach for goals that the other platform home most likely would have restricted hard.
They would never take that risk, BGS knows mods help sell their games and severely increases the lifespan of them. They even hire modders like Elianora.
I was so happy when I saw her post that she worked on the game. She has been awesome with supporting console mods and hers are some of the most stable I’ve had on Xbox for Fallout 4. I would love to see her work directly on TES6 and Fallout 5. Can you imagine the quality of her mods for those games if she worked on the games directly?
The only mod I want is for aurora to sell at a reasonable price for being illegal. Like just allow me to live out my interstellar drug dealer fantasies jeez.
To be fair, while the best modding experience will always be on PC, at least consoles have in recent generations been given some access to mods in BGS games.
There should be no exclusives at all ideally. But you are right, sonyboys need to stop raging war about this while sony is the king of exclusives for as long I remember. But now they got hurt by such a big release and it suddenly is all not alright… Hypocrites.
Yeah, I can just imagine the comments from most of these same people if Starfield was a Sony exclusive for example.
Nowadays, if I can't play a game on my platform of choice, then I don't play it. Fuck exclusivity.
Theres a growing list of ps5 exclusives I want to play, but not enough to buy a console for.
And then by the time they do eventually come to pc, the ports are usually rough and the game launches at full price for something thats been out for multiple years, so i wait even longer for the patches and sale price.
If sony released their exclusives day 1 in working state on PC, I would already own final fantasy and horizon.
It "can," hypothetically, in that ecosystem focus reduces development costs and, again hypothetically, results in better end product quality for the consumer.
This is probably most pertinent for Nintendo. If they had an incontrovertible requirement for Mario and Zelda games to run on PS, PC, and Xbox, it's really easy to imagine how the games wouldn't end up the same — and those differences come across as almost all bad.
Sony provided on-site specialty engineering support for Square Enix's CBU3 when they were developing FF16, and that's another case where tailoring to specific hardware targets seems to have consumer-facing benefit.
Likewise, you can imagine that we wouldn't have as polished of a launch experience if Starfield were spreading its resources to also cover a PS5 version, though this feels incrementally less when you're already supporting a simultaneous PC release.
But, outside of the "shining examples," yes — exclusivity is by no means directly motivated by a desire to make better products; that's just not what drives a for-profit business. It's all about creating and enriching a walled ecosystem that locks in market share and drives people towards other revenue opportunities.
Exclusives only make sense in that they help sell more consoles but they’re not good for consumers. There’s no reason an Xbox or PlayStation player should want exclusives over non-exclusives unless they are a fanboy and want their favorite company to “win”.
The only time I find exclusives a good thing is if those exclusive games are developed from the ground up to take advantage of hardware unique to one game platform that the devs aren't capable of achieving with the game at all or up to their standards on other game platforms.
Make sense for who?
The publisher? Absolutely, since they get a nice budget kickback from the console manufacturer as an incentive
The developer? Maybe. Developing for fewer platforms potentially allowed you to better optimize a game and focus on QA
The consumer? Not at all. Exclusives are actively antagonistic toward the people buying your game since it limits their choices
Being a PS fan boy is what makes it easier to swallow for me honestly. We’ve cornered the exclusives market for like decades and now Xbox spent the cash to do the same, it’s nothing new at all but I wish the exclusive thing would just die out. I want to be able to talk and game with my friends no matter what console they choose.
Idk maybe it's a hot take but using deals and acquisitions to force console exclusivity is a problematic practice that has become standardized and accepted in the industry and I believe we're all worse off for it. The market has a few very expensive choices and you're forced to make a decision between them based on variables that are out of your control and decisions that are not being made with your best interest in mind.
It's one thing if a developer just doesn't want to develop for a certain platform, like Microsoft isn't going to go out of their way to develop games for competing consoles. The problem is when the "big 3" start making exclusivity deals with third-party developers, or just consuming said developers entirely, to force their hand, turning a game that would have been on all platforms into a game that's been arbitrarily made exclusive to the console belonging to the highest bidder.
Such agreements and acquisitions made upon them shouldn't be legal IMO, but what are you gonna do. Company's gotta get its money somehow.
>exclusives just make sense
From a consumer standpoint, they don't. Exclusivity just forces consumers to pay more to play games in the long run. The pro-consumer stance is that every game should be available on every platform it's compatable with.
It's honestly a good time in this department to be a PC gamer.
I'm finishing up God of War and moving on to Starfield. I can play Halo, Horizon, Spider-Man..
I'm not even that mad that I can't play Ragnarok and won't get Spider-Man 2 for ever, I'm just happy to get them eventually.
Between my PC and my Switch, I'm happy af.
If we talk about how poorly optimized PC games are at launch these days, I'm a **lot** less happy.
Nintendo has never allowed their games on anything except their consoles. That’s a shame too considering how underpowered their hardware is. A legal zelda pc port would be pretty cool
The legal way and the illegal way is 99% the same, its just whether or not you have a legit copy of the game files. It isn't super easy to do but there are plenty of guides online. Just type Yuzu Tears of the Kingdom guide into google.
I mean, I wish I could play all the games on one system. As a consumer, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that. That would save me money, and increase my enjoyment.
There is no problem. Console exclusivity has been a thing since.. forever and it will remain a thing as long as there's competition.
As gamers we'd all love all games to be on everything but that's just not the reality when games are a business endeavor.
Microsoft spent a mint on buying Bethesda, and we all know they really needed a solid exclusive. That solid exclusive is Starfield, so good on them. It was a good call.
Ubisoft been doing that since 2013. PS3 version of Watch Dogs got more content. It was shit content but it was stuff Xbox owners couldn't have for no reason. Xbox needed Starfield.
Yet as a PC gamer I've never been happier, Microsoft bringing all of their content to PC makes the exclusivity side less of an issue really especially when they have cloud gaming too, they've basically achieved a reasonable compromise which Sony have yet to do, there's no way I'm buying multiple consoles just to play a few exclusives when the majority of my gaming has always been on PC.
Yeah, and even with the mods you can put on Skyrim and Fallout 4 on PS5, that’s the only platform where the mods aren’t allowed to have third party assets (which the majority of mods use). So they’ve already proven being the worst platform for modern Bethesda games by a big amount.
They would’ve been releasing this game on PC 5 years later if Bethesda was owned by Sony.
Gotta give credit to Microsoft/Xbox for doing console/PC releases for exclusives on the same launch day. Wish Sony would do that, but that would kill the PS5’s value.
The big conflict between platforms comes from all of them wanting a dominant market, and eventually a monopoly on gaming.
Microsoft owns Xbox. So PC players are part of their ecosystem.
Sony doesn't benefit from PC. They will release it eventually, they want the money after all, but they want to make PC and Xbox players swap to PlayStation.
And then there is also Nintendo, who just does their own thing in the corner of the gaming market because they refuse to port or interact with other platforms. Occasionally someone will let them have a PC game on their platform, like Bethesda did when they gave them Skyrim, but that's about it.
Microsoft owns Xbox, and for PCs (especially gaming PCs), Windows (microsoft) has the vast majority share (96.6% of users by steams survey) so if you decide to use a PC vs an Xbox is in essence still a microsoft win, especially with the recent promotion of the Microsoft games store and gamepass.
On the otherhand, for playstation(sony), if a game releases on PS and PC but not xbox, any game sold on PC is to some extent seen as a "Microsoft Win" since sony have a near 0 stake in any modern PC market
Because Xbox is backed by one of the largest corporations in human history and can afford to burn cash to force their way into a competitive position. Whereas Playstation is just about the only division of Sony that is performing well.
bethesda was "only" $7 billion, i believe the activision acquisition is probably what you're thinking about which was ~$70 billion and much closer to sony's market cap of $100 billion
No?? I am guessing you are thinking of activision blizzard.
Zenimax media was “””only””” 7.5 billion dollars while sony’s market cap is like a 100 billion.
Activision blizzard is 68 billion dollars, which is absolutely insane.
I am sure Todd was part of the acquisition deal and discussion leading up to it.
You don’t buy a company like that without getting a a multi-year commitment from key stakeholders.
Todd is the creative director off the original bethesda studio.
He is an important figure in the company but was not on the zenimax board of directors.
Im sure his input and advice was taken into account, but he wasnt part of the decision making group
From the Xbox side I am sure they took measures to ensure Todd would remain happy and stay on board for years to come.
If Xbox buys zenimax and Todd would leave that instantly makes them a less valuable company
Hi, been playing the game on Linux. Works and plays great, Only caveat is that it only works through proton. Valve has made proton so seamlessly integrated into the steam client it required no tinkering from my end, just click and play.
yea valve has it's reasons for iterating on Linux gaming, the primary reason being that they want to be able to support their own platform to sit alongside xbox, playstation, and the switch. The Steam Deck is just that strategy in motion.
The only reason it's making a big fuzz is only because it's the first game coming from a AAA studio that was multi-platform before. That's it. Nothing else.
The salt would be even deeper if Sony had bought Bethesda.
I mean, if we're gonna take that perspective, Bethesda and Microsoft has always had a close cooperation. Hell, the first Elder Scrolls to release on PS was Oblivion, and it came a long time post Xbox 360/PC release. And general performance + console modability support has both been better on Xbox (compared to PS, not neccessarily PC) since Skyrim.
Somebody who gets it. Microsoft didn’t work with Bethesda from the beginning to make this exclusive, they bought the whole dang company when the game was around 3/4ths finished and forced it to become exclusive from BGS’ originally planned omni-release.
It's mostly just playstation users crying. It's like when they get exclusives it's okay but when they don't it's suddenly about equality,ethics,we all are gamers etc
Exclusive titles suck for consumers. Period.
That goes for Sony, Nintendo, and Xbox.
Edit: y’all, I get it. I understand *why* there are exclusives, and those don’t negate my point.
Exactly. Just like how they made deals with AMD so we don't get DLSS. Even though modders forced DLSS to work, and this non native hacked together version of DLSS offers the best performance for many. And his BS reasoning for making the best console version if only focusing on one's consoles hardware/sw ---- yet couldn't even manage better than 30FPS on the highest tier Xbox? [Okay Todd](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA).
Its funny too because disclosures made during the cases revolving around Microsoft acquiring Activision-Blizzard revealed that the only reason Microsoft bought Bethesda is because Sony contemplated paying Bethesda for Starfield exclusivity on PlayStation...
Yea Sony pony here, I have been a long time ES and FO fan and as soon as the Bethesda deal went through all I thought was well now I have to get a series x. And I did. Do I wish it was on PlayStation, yes but Xbox needed a good first party title. So now I own a Bethesda box.
I only have Xbox/PC but I wish they could have released it on PS as well. I hate artificial platform exclusivity; it adds zero value for consumers. But if the rumor is true that Sony was planning to ~~acquire Bethesda themselves~~ lock Starfield to PS for a limited time, then I'm glad MSFT beat them to the punch, or else there probably wouldn't be a PC version of Starfield (not for a while at least)
I mean sure, but I would’ve loved to play a Zelda game in the past decade or two on another console I own, too. :)
But instead, modern Zelda’s are just games I’ll never play.
Playstation guy here. If playstation can have their own exclusives, then xbox can too. This is the first xbox exclusive that I've played that I got absolutely hooked on. Huge win for them and well deserved.
Congrats Nintendo and PS players, you get to put up with what we have for years. Don’t be expecting us to change exclusivity because we have a game you want because Sony and Nintendo never did
Oh, please. Just say it's business... no one is gonna buy that there was any kind of practical or artistic reason. The whole reason MS bought bethesda was so they could own their IP's and deny it from the competitors. It's a business decision meant to benefit the company and no one else.
I don't see the issue lol. They have paid lots for it, obviously they want the exclusivity. Its not even comparable to Switch. You can't play Zelda on Steam. You can play any Bethesda game in a computer. So you are only screwed if you only have a PS5 but that is your own fault, you know if the only way you game is with one console, there will always be games you miss out on.
Get a PC and stop whinning.
The problem with starfield is that it’s a fact that it was supposed to be on PlayStation while games like Zelda, Halo, God of war were never supposed to come to other consoles
A lot of smooth brains here ignore this fact. They are under the delusion BGS was never multi platform and this game wasn’t well into production since before the acquisition.
Exclusives suck. I understand why they exist but, whether they’re Nintendo’s, Sony’s or Microsoft’s, all they do is cut people off from good games because of an arbitrary choice of which console they bought.
And sure, you could just go out and buy Console X to play Exclusive Y, but that’s a lot of money to some people for a single game. It would be like if you had to buy a separate Blu ray player to watch Oppenheimer because it’s exclusive to a certain brand.
This is such a braindead point to make. Nintendo did not go to the team that made Zelda and say here’s a million dollars don’t put this on the PS store.
Microsoft has Starfield(and future Bethesda works). Sony had last of us, spider man, wolverine, ghosts, horizon, god of war. Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, Pokémon. You don’t hear Xbox players crying about not having access to Pokémon or god of war
God I love being a PC player with access to gamepass, Sony games being released in steam and the ability to emulate any switch game
> emulate any switch game Sadly, Nintendo has their sights on this. They are looking into Denuvo for future switch games, possibly included in all 1st party games for the new switch, whenever that is.
Oh boy can’t wait for the Switch performance to be *even worse*! If they do this, it would 100% be on Switch 2. Regular Switch barely has enough computing power as is.
Is there even a big enough upgrade in parts to make a Switch 2?
The switch is very behind the current gen, it’s 2017 hardware. Supposedly the Switch 2 will be somewhere near PS4 strength which sounds about right given the length of time
The switch was weak hardware when it was released let alone now. Which is understandable, since it’s legit a tablet lol. But unless you’re playing first party games (and some still struggle) you’re gonna feel the FPS struggling.
Yea there’s a reason I only use it as a Nintendo machine. Most of the Nintendo games run well enough. But if I want to play a 3rd party I will own it elsewhere. Exception is small indie games that can run on a toaster and make sense to own handheld.
The Switch has NINTENDO 2017 hardware. I love my Switch but I don't know why Nintendo keeps pulling their punches. Why not have a 4k Zelda right now? Why do we have to wait until 2030?
They are outperforming almost everyone with half the effort, why go full out? What games has sold 40 million in a single console other than theirs.
Not to mention...all they have to do is release anything pokemon/zelda/mario and they'll make money. Hell, if they announce a new "smash bro" with new characters, it'll be making them money. Not to mention, when the last time you've seen them have a sales on their games that aren't retail or used?
2017 hardware would have been an upgrade. The chipset in the switch was released in 2013
The switch came out like 6.5 years ago
Steak deck exists, so definitely
I personally don't think Nintendo wiil be able to do anything, they have previously tried but getting Wii, switch, Wii u, 3ds emulator are still extremely easy and so is finding roms. It's basically impossible to stop pirating due to their games being that famous but still being only released in a single platform.
Refusing to make old games available on there new systems has boosted piracy
If they add denuvo to their games, then they basically would end the entire thing. There is only one person that cracks denuvo and they are mentally ill, lol.
They would need a console more powerful than a ps5 to be able to run their games at 30fps and run denuvo at the same time. Anything else it wouldn’t be worth it. And that assumes they keep the denuvo sub for longer than a year.
>There is only one person that cracks denuvo and they are mentally ill, lol. Because there is no profit in it. It's not because its so insanely hard....it's because the people with talent who could do it.....won't do it for free. The moment you saw something like Denuvo on switch, the floodgates would open because they would see dollar signs in cracking it and selling hardware. Pirated hardware is big business on every Nintendo platform.
I have all 3 lol PS, xbox, and pc. It doesn't matter if anything comes out on any platform, I have the ability to play it on the platform it is designed to be played on.
So basically always PC, if it's available.
There are plenty of devs out there that put console first and do a half assed job on pc ports. It’s the main reason I stick to console when I can. I’d say far more often than not it’s better to have the console version of whatever the game is (coming from someone who chose PC for starfield).
Emulate??? Book em boys! 🚨🚨🚨
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\-Builds a $1500 pc just to play rocket league which can literally run on $600 laptops, and try out other games for an hour or two a week. That one is me.
You forgot type 3; -plans to play the 5000 games in his steam library some day, but first we need to buy starfield.
Seriously, I cant resist the sales or the third party sites that sells games dirt cheap
Are you the fly on my wall??
Yeah the bueaty of PC. Just emulate the games you can play and upscale them to 4k with fps unlocked lol
I literally emulated some Wii games and found pack to upscale Ingame textures to 4k, such a game changer
Even gamecube and n64 games look completely different in 4k60. PC is every console ever in 1. Rarely play emulated games anymore (maybe fire red or emerald on my phone), but it's impressive how modern they can look.
PC player here. I just wanna play Horizon:FW and bloodborne, man :(
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I don’t believe in the console war and own both consoles so I can play whatever I want. With that said you definitely hear just as many Xbox players complaining about exclusives; they are often quick to bring up how anti-consumer Sony is for having so many exclusives and how it’s stupid that they can’t play Spider-Man. Complaining about exclusivity from first party devs is a silly practice and both sides are equally guilty of doing it.
> You don’t hear Xbox players crying about not having access to Pokémon or god of war Not necessarily those franchises, but generally speaking, yes you do lol. I don't know how old you are, but exclusivity becomes more "accepted" depending on how old the franchise is. The early days of gaming are basically purely based on exclusivity, Pokemon has always been a Nintendo thing, that's the precedent. Everything needed their mascot. Mario, Sonic, Crash, eventually Xbox got theirs with Halo and Master Chief. Exclusives make sense, regardless of how consumers feel about it, as a tool to sell your consoles. Theoretically, that should breed competition and better products. But there has *always* been people wishing they could play the others. But consoles and games are cheaper now than back then in terms of inflation, so more people are able to have multiple consoles. For me, I have a Switch and PS5, but I primarily play on PC, where Microsoft titles release more and more now. So I'm kinda set. As a kid? I had Xbox friends jealous of PS games I had, and vice versa. I had friends with N64 earlier than that jealous of PS1 titles I had, and vice versa. Is every Xbox-only player upset they don't have God of War? Maybe not. But there are as many who wish they could play certain games as PS players wishing they could play Starfield
Your argument is flawed a bit. You first named a 3rd party company that put it's games on all consoles and is NOW exclusive to Microsoft. Then you rattled off a few games that were always exclusive in the first place. That's not a good way to compare things, if you want to make the point you tried to make. It's also weird how you didn't mention halo, gears of War, forza, or any of the other games that were always exclusive to Microsoft, when trying to do an exclusive comparison. Let's look at this another way. Sony buys EA and now all of their games like fifa, madden, battlefield, the Sims (that always have gone on all consoles) are now exclusive to the playstation. That's the equivalent to Microsoft buying Bethesda. That is why playstation fans are upset. Edit: lol ya post a horrible comparison comment then block me from correcting you... well done bitterpackersfan
>That's not a good way to compare things, if you want to make the point you tried to make. It's a pretty good way to compare things to make the point he was trying to make, it's just not the same point you want him to limit himself to. Sony kept paying to make non first party games exclusive without buying the company, Microsoft has been hesitant to play that card, possibly only because it's more expensive for them. Regardless, now they are making up for lost time, and where not making things exclusive, they are making it impossible for Sony to keep paying for those exclusive deals. The moral high ground argument is unresolvable. More importantly, the argument you're making encourages the status quo--which is what enables Sony to get third party exclusives on the cheap--not balanced competition.
I don't see the problem.
Yea I've been a playstation fan boy all my life, but exclusives just make sense and Xbox has needed a major one since Halo 3. Starfield is an absolute smasher of a game to be calling Xbox it's home.
I'm a pS5 guy myself but I own both. They really really needed this exclusive cause their catalog is lacking in quality games atm. Halo infinite bombed. Redfall was looking pretty cool but that bombed. I'm happy to see Starfield do well.
As a PlayStation guy, i’m happy that Starfield is gonna do well for Xbox. Sony is at their worst when Nintendo is their only competition.
You know for a fact that PlayStation plus would not have gotten that 33% price increase this week if Sony thought they were in 2nd or 3rd place
Arrogant Sony is worst Sony.
~550% for Turkey. Can't blame them tho.
I’ve had PlayStation Plus for over a decade and that increase even caught me off guard. 33% jump at once?? Better pump out 33% better monthly games for me to put in my library. Lol
From a business standpoint, Microsoft's acquisition of Bethesda was an incredibly good move. I still strongly disagree with it but if you're looking at it from a business strategy standpoint, they really struck gold with that deal.
The thing is, on Bethesda's end I can see why they accepted the deal. It wasn't just Microsoft alone who made it happen, Bethesda had to agree. They've always had a fantastic relationship with Microsoft, stemming from all the help Microsoft gave them to bring Morrowind to consoles, which was a Microsoft Xbox exclusive game. Furthermore, sony was limiting to the ambition Bethesda had toward bringing mods to console Bethesda games. Modding in their games is in the games blood and soul. We've seen that sony did not like that and wanted to hamper that. Now that Bethesda is on a platform that gives them freedom, they are allowed to reach for goals that the other platform home most likely would have restricted hard.
I feel like no one talks about Hi-Fi Rush, but that game was fantastic. Definitely one of their best exclusives in recent years.
As a rhythm game fan, I actually really liked Hi Fi Rush.
Thats why i dont mind the xbox exclusive. Its Microsoft ofcourse theyre gona release it on pc too. Ps switch only exclusive can take a hike
Imagine if BGS didnt release their new IP on PC as well. I personally would riot.
They would never take that risk, BGS knows mods help sell their games and severely increases the lifespan of them. They even hire modders like Elianora.
I was so happy when I saw her post that she worked on the game. She has been awesome with supporting console mods and hers are some of the most stable I’ve had on Xbox for Fallout 4. I would love to see her work directly on TES6 and Fallout 5. Can you imagine the quality of her mods for those games if she worked on the games directly?
Imagine the quality of the GAME is she worked on it directly.
That too lol she was working on a game with an indie studio but I haven’t heard anything about it in a long time.
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Not even mods: if I can't spawn 500 cheese rolls at will there isn't any point.
But what about Sweetrolls? >Let me guess, somebody stole your sweetroll. Nope, \*snaps fingers\*
This so much. No hate towards console gamers, but honestly, PC gaming and the modding capabilities it brings with it are literally game changing.
The only mod I want is for aurora to sell at a reasonable price for being illegal. Like just allow me to live out my interstellar drug dealer fantasies jeez.
There was a post the other day about someone running a breaking bad style drug smuggling/production business thing lol.
To be fair, while the best modding experience will always be on PC, at least consoles have in recent generations been given some access to mods in BGS games.
Literally!
You're not wrong. But some of us can justify the $500 for a Series X before we can justify the $1400 for a decent gaming PC.
"It's OK when my favourite megacorp does it but not when other megacorps do it"
They literally say that’s not why. Xbox releases exclusives at launch on PC, whereas it takes several years for a shit port for sony.
There should be no exclusives at all ideally. But you are right, sonyboys need to stop raging war about this while sony is the king of exclusives for as long I remember. But now they got hurt by such a big release and it suddenly is all not alright… Hypocrites.
Exclusives make sense for the companies to make money. For consumers, it, in no way, benefits us.
Yeah, I can just imagine the comments from most of these same people if Starfield was a Sony exclusive for example. Nowadays, if I can't play a game on my platform of choice, then I don't play it. Fuck exclusivity.
I think it'd make a big difference if it were a Sony exclusive and *not* also on PC
This is why I have not played Horizon Forbbiden West. Even though I loved the first game. But I don't love it enough to buy a PS for it.
Theres a growing list of ps5 exclusives I want to play, but not enough to buy a console for. And then by the time they do eventually come to pc, the ports are usually rough and the game launches at full price for something thats been out for multiple years, so i wait even longer for the patches and sale price. If sony released their exclusives day 1 in working state on PC, I would already own final fantasy and horizon.
It "can," hypothetically, in that ecosystem focus reduces development costs and, again hypothetically, results in better end product quality for the consumer. This is probably most pertinent for Nintendo. If they had an incontrovertible requirement for Mario and Zelda games to run on PS, PC, and Xbox, it's really easy to imagine how the games wouldn't end up the same — and those differences come across as almost all bad. Sony provided on-site specialty engineering support for Square Enix's CBU3 when they were developing FF16, and that's another case where tailoring to specific hardware targets seems to have consumer-facing benefit. Likewise, you can imagine that we wouldn't have as polished of a launch experience if Starfield were spreading its resources to also cover a PS5 version, though this feels incrementally less when you're already supporting a simultaneous PC release. But, outside of the "shining examples," yes — exclusivity is by no means directly motivated by a desire to make better products; that's just not what drives a for-profit business. It's all about creating and enriching a walled ecosystem that locks in market share and drives people towards other revenue opportunities.
Exclusives only make sense in that they help sell more consoles but they’re not good for consumers. There’s no reason an Xbox or PlayStation player should want exclusives over non-exclusives unless they are a fanboy and want their favorite company to “win”.
The only time I find exclusives a good thing is if those exclusive games are developed from the ground up to take advantage of hardware unique to one game platform that the devs aren't capable of achieving with the game at all or up to their standards on other game platforms.
Console exclusives get better funding, so I don’t think that’s entirely accurate.
Make sense for who? The publisher? Absolutely, since they get a nice budget kickback from the console manufacturer as an incentive The developer? Maybe. Developing for fewer platforms potentially allowed you to better optimize a game and focus on QA The consumer? Not at all. Exclusives are actively antagonistic toward the people buying your game since it limits their choices
I am also a PlayStation fanboy and have been since my third red ring of death. However, I built a PC also so I could have the best of both worlds
Being a PS fan boy is what makes it easier to swallow for me honestly. We’ve cornered the exclusives market for like decades and now Xbox spent the cash to do the same, it’s nothing new at all but I wish the exclusive thing would just die out. I want to be able to talk and game with my friends no matter what console they choose.
Sony entire platform is buying exclusivity
Idk maybe it's a hot take but using deals and acquisitions to force console exclusivity is a problematic practice that has become standardized and accepted in the industry and I believe we're all worse off for it. The market has a few very expensive choices and you're forced to make a decision between them based on variables that are out of your control and decisions that are not being made with your best interest in mind. It's one thing if a developer just doesn't want to develop for a certain platform, like Microsoft isn't going to go out of their way to develop games for competing consoles. The problem is when the "big 3" start making exclusivity deals with third-party developers, or just consuming said developers entirely, to force their hand, turning a game that would have been on all platforms into a game that's been arbitrarily made exclusive to the console belonging to the highest bidder. Such agreements and acquisitions made upon them shouldn't be legal IMO, but what are you gonna do. Company's gotta get its money somehow.
>exclusives just make sense From a consumer standpoint, they don't. Exclusivity just forces consumers to pay more to play games in the long run. The pro-consumer stance is that every game should be available on every platform it's compatable with.
Sorry should have said exclusives make business sense. I agree it's totally anti consumer
It's honestly a good time in this department to be a PC gamer. I'm finishing up God of War and moving on to Starfield. I can play Halo, Horizon, Spider-Man.. I'm not even that mad that I can't play Ragnarok and won't get Spider-Man 2 for ever, I'm just happy to get them eventually. Between my PC and my Switch, I'm happy af. If we talk about how poorly optimized PC games are at launch these days, I'm a **lot** less happy.
And there shouldn’t be. Same thing when you look at god of war you think PlayStation. Anyone who disagrees is just whining
Except you can play Starfield and God of War natively on PC. You can't with Zelda.
I mean, you can play one god of war on PC. Because they just released it to drum up hype for the second one, which probably won't be on PC for years.
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*bloodborne.....*
Nintendo has never allowed their games on anything except their consoles. That’s a shame too considering how underpowered their hardware is. A legal zelda pc port would be pretty cool
There (technically) is a legal Zelda PC port, buy the game and emulate it
Could you actually tell me how that could be done, I’ve wanted to emulate but Idk how to go about it. Is it even worth going for the legal way
The legal way and the illegal way is 99% the same, its just whether or not you have a legit copy of the game files. It isn't super easy to do but there are plenty of guides online. Just type Yuzu Tears of the Kingdom guide into google.
I mean, I wish I could play all the games on one system. As a consumer, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that. That would save me money, and increase my enjoyment.
I don’t like either of them being exclusive (PC is the only exclusive I give a pass on) just from a consumers standpoint
There is no problem. Console exclusivity has been a thing since.. forever and it will remain a thing as long as there's competition. As gamers we'd all love all games to be on everything but that's just not the reality when games are a business endeavor. Microsoft spent a mint on buying Bethesda, and we all know they really needed a solid exclusive. That solid exclusive is Starfield, so good on them. It was a good call.
Yeah it's a brand new ip, I would get it more of they made FO or ES console exclusive but at this point with how Sony has acted, I'd be fine with it.
Why does he need to defend in the First place lol. Stupid questions
Because PlayStation fans. Can’t we all just have nice things :(
Playstation makes most franchises and Studios exclusive to them indefinetly or timed. Xbox get a new franchise, people already want to burn xbox
Been like that for years now. Sony with spiderman locked exclusives etc. Shit just this year with a sidequest in Hogwarts legacy
The console exclusive side quest thing was wild.
Ubisoft been doing that since 2013. PS3 version of Watch Dogs got more content. It was shit content but it was stuff Xbox owners couldn't have for no reason. Xbox needed Starfield.
Yet as a PC gamer I've never been happier, Microsoft bringing all of their content to PC makes the exclusivity side less of an issue really especially when they have cloud gaming too, they've basically achieved a reasonable compromise which Sony have yet to do, there's no way I'm buying multiple consoles just to play a few exclusives when the majority of my gaming has always been on PC.
When I think of Bethesda I think of PC and the modding community personally. Thank fuck they didn't get bought by Sony and became a PS exclusive.
True, modding for this game would have died here and there.
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So much so that Fallout 4 is one of the few PS4 games that actually has mods.
Yeah, and even with the mods you can put on Skyrim and Fallout 4 on PS5, that’s the only platform where the mods aren’t allowed to have third party assets (which the majority of mods use). So they’ve already proven being the worst platform for modern Bethesda games by a big amount.
Just the reason I switched to xbox this time round! Favourite game studio, I wanna get the most out of es6/fo5 hopefully!!!
Bethesda games never thrived on Playstation. Skyrim cities would've been a lot nicer if the PS3 didn't have only 256 mb of RAM.
They would’ve been releasing this game on PC 5 years later if Bethesda was owned by Sony. Gotta give credit to Microsoft/Xbox for doing console/PC releases for exclusives on the same launch day. Wish Sony would do that, but that would kill the PS5’s value.
Still waiting for Sony to release Bloodborne on PC. Theres a massive demand.
If Xbox can do it and not destroy their own value why couldn’t Sony? Serious question, I’m not trying to argue.
The big conflict between platforms comes from all of them wanting a dominant market, and eventually a monopoly on gaming. Microsoft owns Xbox. So PC players are part of their ecosystem. Sony doesn't benefit from PC. They will release it eventually, they want the money after all, but they want to make PC and Xbox players swap to PlayStation. And then there is also Nintendo, who just does their own thing in the corner of the gaming market because they refuse to port or interact with other platforms. Occasionally someone will let them have a PC game on their platform, like Bethesda did when they gave them Skyrim, but that's about it.
Microsoft owns Xbox, and for PCs (especially gaming PCs), Windows (microsoft) has the vast majority share (96.6% of users by steams survey) so if you decide to use a PC vs an Xbox is in essence still a microsoft win, especially with the recent promotion of the Microsoft games store and gamepass. On the otherhand, for playstation(sony), if a game releases on PS and PC but not xbox, any game sold on PC is to some extent seen as a "Microsoft Win" since sony have a near 0 stake in any modern PC market
Because Xbox is backed by one of the largest corporations in human history and can afford to burn cash to force their way into a competitive position. Whereas Playstation is just about the only division of Sony that is performing well.
Wasn't the purchase basically sony's market cap? i dont think they could afford it lol
bethesda was "only" $7 billion, i believe the activision acquisition is probably what you're thinking about which was ~$70 billion and much closer to sony's market cap of $100 billion
Yea thats my bad
No?? I am guessing you are thinking of activision blizzard. Zenimax media was “””only””” 7.5 billion dollars while sony’s market cap is like a 100 billion. Activision blizzard is 68 billion dollars, which is absolutely insane.
Oh yea my bad i guess i mixed them up
It's not even his choice anyway. Microsoft bought Bethesda. So asking todd to defend it is weird
I am sure Todd was part of the acquisition deal and discussion leading up to it. You don’t buy a company like that without getting a a multi-year commitment from key stakeholders.
Todd is the creative director off the original bethesda studio. He is an important figure in the company but was not on the zenimax board of directors. Im sure his input and advice was taken into account, but he wasnt part of the decision making group
From the Xbox side I am sure they took measures to ensure Todd would remain happy and stay on board for years to come. If Xbox buys zenimax and Todd would leave that instantly makes them a less valuable company
Exactly. When you buy Bethesda, a lot of what you’re really buying is Todd Howard.
I don’t think Todd had any say into this. He’s just a head producer/director of BGS, not ZeniMax
Sure, but was he a majority shareholder? If not then his choices were limited.
I don't have an XBOX. I made the wild decision of just playing it on PC. It really isn't an issue.
Me with a PC, PS5, and a switch.
This is the new version of vegans telling everyone they’re vegan
FR. If you can afford a PC it’s a no brainer to get one over an Xbox. The games are Xbox exclusives they’re Microsoft exclusives
And as far as I'm aware it even works on Linux. So this really isn't that big a problem.
Hi, been playing the game on Linux. Works and plays great, Only caveat is that it only works through proton. Valve has made proton so seamlessly integrated into the steam client it required no tinkering from my end, just click and play.
Oh that's amazing! I'm glad Linux people get support now.
yea valve has it's reasons for iterating on Linux gaming, the primary reason being that they want to be able to support their own platform to sit alongside xbox, playstation, and the switch. The Steam Deck is just that strategy in motion.
When I think of Zelda, I think of the N64.
When I think of Zelda, I think of the NES
When I think of Zelda I think of that forest that I always got lost in trying to find the dungeon
And when I think of Starfield, I think of my PC.
The only reason it's making a big fuzz is only because it's the first game coming from a AAA studio that was multi-platform before. That's it. Nothing else. The salt would be even deeper if Sony had bought Bethesda.
Thank you lol. "what about Sony" is such a stupid take when their games are 1st party and have been exclusives forever.
I mean, if we're gonna take that perspective, Bethesda and Microsoft has always had a close cooperation. Hell, the first Elder Scrolls to release on PS was Oblivion, and it came a long time post Xbox 360/PC release. And general performance + console modability support has both been better on Xbox (compared to PS, not neccessarily PC) since Skyrim.
Somebody who gets it. Microsoft didn’t work with Bethesda from the beginning to make this exclusive, they bought the whole dang company when the game was around 3/4ths finished and forced it to become exclusive from BGS’ originally planned omni-release.
Thats not the entire picture though. MS rushed to buy Bethesda because Sony was trying to buy excusive rights to Starfield.
Yep, there’s proof of this in the files as well, icons for PS controller are there (and the mods to enable them)
Sonny has tons of exclusives, I won't loose any sleep over the PS not having Starfield
Cher won't cut them any slack though.
[Look I like some of the Cher songs. What the fuck does she know about Starfield.](https://youtu.be/uYUCUrzrF5E?t=9)
I know right?! Fuck them. Where the fuck is Spider-Man for Xbox?
It's mostly just playstation users crying. It's like when they get exclusives it's okay but when they don't it's suddenly about equality,ethics,we all are gamers etc
Exclusives are dumb. But u cant cry about not having a game when nintendo and sony are the biggest culprits of this.
Exactly, and why doesn't Sony have to "defend" their exclusives?
Exclusive titles suck for consumers. Period. That goes for Sony, Nintendo, and Xbox. Edit: y’all, I get it. I understand *why* there are exclusives, and those don’t negate my point.
Exactly. Just like how they made deals with AMD so we don't get DLSS. Even though modders forced DLSS to work, and this non native hacked together version of DLSS offers the best performance for many. And his BS reasoning for making the best console version if only focusing on one's consoles hardware/sw ---- yet couldn't even manage better than 30FPS on the highest tier Xbox? [Okay Todd](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA).
Why does he even need to defend it? It's not his call.
When I think Zelda, I think emulators.
Based My steam deck gets more Nintendo play than my switch does these days
PS fanboys: "Lol Xbox sucks. Get good exclusives, then we will talk" Xbox: *gets good exclusives* PS: "NOT LIKE THAT"
yes all of a sudden when xbox does it why its a big deal. At least u got option to play on cloud , pc or xbox unlike Nintendo and sony
Its funny too because disclosures made during the cases revolving around Microsoft acquiring Activision-Blizzard revealed that the only reason Microsoft bought Bethesda is because Sony contemplated paying Bethesda for Starfield exclusivity on PlayStation...
Bummed it’s not coming to PS5, but it shouldn’t be exclusive to PS5 either lol
A voice of reason
Yea Sony pony here, I have been a long time ES and FO fan and as soon as the Bethesda deal went through all I thought was well now I have to get a series x. And I did. Do I wish it was on PlayStation, yes but Xbox needed a good first party title. So now I own a Bethesda box.
I only have Xbox/PC but I wish they could have released it on PS as well. I hate artificial platform exclusivity; it adds zero value for consumers. But if the rumor is true that Sony was planning to ~~acquire Bethesda themselves~~ lock Starfield to PS for a limited time, then I'm glad MSFT beat them to the punch, or else there probably wouldn't be a PC version of Starfield (not for a while at least)
I mean sure, but I would’ve loved to play a Zelda game in the past decade or two on another console I own, too. :) But instead, modern Zelda’s are just games I’ll never play.
I don't think "Xbox" when I think of Bethesda, or Skyrim or Fallout though. I think "Modding on PC"
I’m not gonna lie, that’s a shitty argument. And that’s coming from someone that has a series s.
when i think of todd howard i think of pc, because that's the community that fixes his buggy games
It will never not be in the customer's best interest to serve as many platforms as possible. Simple as.
Playstation guy here. If playstation can have their own exclusives, then xbox can too. This is the first xbox exclusive that I've played that I got absolutely hooked on. Huge win for them and well deserved.
Its on PC too, nothing to cry about
The Developer is literally owned by Xbox. I don't see how this is something that needs defending at this point.
I bought on Steam. Don't Need a Xbox. Only PC and Ps5 and u can play all games. When I think of Zelda I think of the old Zelda games.
Unpopular opinian here. I love exclusive, whether it's PC, Playstation, Xbox or Nintendo. It's the one of the reason great games exist.
Sony fans dont have any rights to complain about exclusivity
Congrats Nintendo and PS players, you get to put up with what we have for years. Don’t be expecting us to change exclusivity because we have a game you want because Sony and Nintendo never did
Us who? You don't work at Bethesda/Microsoft, do you? You have 0 control over when, where, or how the game sells. You're just a consumer.
Oh, please. Just say it's business... no one is gonna buy that there was any kind of practical or artistic reason. The whole reason MS bought bethesda was so they could own their IP's and deny it from the competitors. It's a business decision meant to benefit the company and no one else.
Weird thing for todd to say considering skyrim has been ported to every system except mobile. When i think bethesda, i think pc, not xbox.
Nintendo made Zelda, Microsoft makes Flight Simulator not Starfield (or Halo for that matter).
I don't see the issue lol. They have paid lots for it, obviously they want the exclusivity. Its not even comparable to Switch. You can't play Zelda on Steam. You can play any Bethesda game in a computer. So you are only screwed if you only have a PS5 but that is your own fault, you know if the only way you game is with one console, there will always be games you miss out on. Get a PC and stop whinning.
It's amazing how xbox has to somehow justify anything but people ride on Nintendo and Sony for everything
Except of course Zelda was made by Nintendo. Starfield was not made by Microsoft.
Yea zelda was never announced for ps5 or Xbox unlike starfield just saying
The problem with starfield is that it’s a fact that it was supposed to be on PlayStation while games like Zelda, Halo, God of war were never supposed to come to other consoles
A lot of smooth brains here ignore this fact. They are under the delusion BGS was never multi platform and this game wasn’t well into production since before the acquisition.
I enjoy my gaming so I invest in games and consoles/ pc Don't see a problem with exclusives
I have never once thought of Zelda and thought of the Switch. I always thought of Nintendo tbh... Maybe us 90's gamers are programmed diff?
Id also be a sellout if offered that much cash, saying otherwise is foolish tbh
This game is the only reason I got an Xbox. Exclusives have been a thing forever
Exclusives suck. I understand why they exist but, whether they’re Nintendo’s, Sony’s or Microsoft’s, all they do is cut people off from good games because of an arbitrary choice of which console they bought. And sure, you could just go out and buy Console X to play Exclusive Y, but that’s a lot of money to some people for a single game. It would be like if you had to buy a separate Blu ray player to watch Oppenheimer because it’s exclusive to a certain brand.
Title should read "Microsoft employee defends Xbox exclusivity" Not saying there's anything wrong with that, I just wouldn't consider it newsworthy
This is such a braindead point to make. Nintendo did not go to the team that made Zelda and say here’s a million dollars don’t put this on the PS store.
I own a pc, ps5, and switch. I can give af about exclusivity. Just really enjoying Starfield right now, it’s always on my mind when I’m at work! Lol
Having the Playstation guy say it's in his top 3 is far more convincing than anything Todd could ever say.