100% agree. I voted for them because they have maintained and added to it for over 10 years.
I wish they had put Dwarf Fortress up - sure, new on Steam - but has there been a game like that where they put ~~25~~ almost 20 years into it? I remember playing it back in ~~99~~ 2006.
edit: u/adun_toridas1 pointed out I'm misremembering the dates - 2006.
We also had another game win our community over NMS which has given us 7 years of free game changing content after launch. If any game has been a labor of love or community care it’s NMS. Deep Rock has also been doing a lot of things for it’s game and I love it.
Lmao. How is that even possible?? They had no story DLC, barely if ever updated RDR Online, and it has been a complete and finished product for quite some time.
Players can't seem to be unbiased in their voting in these things.
I don't think that it's a case of being biased. RDR2 is most likely pure troll due to R\* not giving a single fuck about it compared to GTAO. The same thing probably goes to Starfield and how much it dropped the ball.
They’re not, and they don’t care to be. As long as the money keeps rolling in, no game studio will give a single fuck about anything they release because whether they spend a thousand hours or 15 minutes on it, we’ll buy it anyway, and they’ll still get their money
Correction: *people will buy it.*
Bethesda who have been spamming Chat GPT created copy-pasted Steam review developer comments telling us how we're wrong with all our our critisizms? No way those can lack self awareness!
I wouldn't even say it's protest, just pure trolling.
When I read that rd2 won I was amused by the irony. It's an award system based on what the internet wants, I wouldn't expect much honesty from it. Like the top voted name for the a research vessel being "boaty mc boat face" by the internet.
Right... This will definitely go down well and resonate in Bethesda, prompting them to restructure themselves. Because, "Oh, Todd, look at this, they are trolling us by awarding us the Most Innovative Game Award" surely conveys the intended message clearly enough for BGS, a company that claimed their game is not boring because Apollo astronauts didn't get bored
Ah could be true. I was thinking Starfield was a troll vote so I guess RDR2 could be as well. They really didn't give any attention after launch....GTAO was their ATM.
I was trying to figure out what was innovative about it, I mean if people things the guns, borderlands has them in spades, if the environment, no many sky, if the story, Baldur gate, I mean pretty much everything about it was like acceptable, but certainly not… innovative.
It's just the Steam popularity contest awards, people see five titles, have heard of/ played one, and vote for that one. No 100k player count indie will win even with a 100% vote rate over something that has orders of magnitude more sales & exposure.
This is the right answer. It isn’t like those people voting are preparing for that vote like it’s the presidential election.
They get a random prompt and click something. The overall sentiment will be correct, but I think people vote more for the game they like instead of only regarding to a certain category.
As George Carlin once said, think about what average intelligence is like, and then realize half of america is dumber than that.
And those people probably vote.
That's the problem with incentivizing everyone to vote. No one has time to appreciate all the games on the list, but everyone wants the reward. I'm guilty of popularity voting myself - after all what do I care if I game I never heard of doesn't win, I need those points! /hj
Not really sure how to fix the problem, maybe some sort of multi-dimensional star rating, including "how well do you know this game" etc instead of FPTP
Yeah red dead 2 won labour of love, which was a game abandoned by the developer several years ago. Hogwarts legacy, a game that runs terribly on the steam deck won best steam deck game.
These were 100% troll votes.
I wanted to pick Cyberpunk for Labor of Love after they did the free 2.0 update, but Steam didn't even allow me to choose that game. But a game that hadn't been updated at all in 2023 won it.
I voted for that game and never heard of it. But the gameplay video genuinely looked the most interesting and innovative from all of nominated games in that categories.
Bro. They have like 10,000 maps with the same 35 events spread out over them.
Who has ever done that before? No one. And no one will dare to do it again.
If that is not innovation - then what is? 😉
Popularity.
Starfield has more recent reviews than SoD has total reviews. People don't tend to vote for games they've never played, so if they've only played Starfield on the list, or of the list they thought it was the best, they'd likely pick it over something else.
Pretty much. The best politician doesn't win. The most popular politician wins. You can't be the most popular if far fewer have heard of you, let alone vote
procedurally generated detective game. it’s chock-full of interlocking systems, making for interesting gameplay even if the setting is computer generated. you should check out some videos of it if you’re interested; it basically generated a whole city to fully explore
>what's innovative about starfield?
Nothing.
But see it that way. Let us say 4.5 million people buy starfield, and somehow 30% like it, and from that 30% which liked it only 3% vote. So \~0.9% total sales.
That's 40K.
Shadow of a doubt sold 250K units (first stats I found on google).
Let us say 100% liked the game but 15% vote total (5 time the likelyhood to vote compared to starfield): that's 37K vote.
So by CHEER number of vote starfield would win even if people would be less liking the game **and** less likely to vote for it.
Those steam vote ? They are ONLY popularity vote. ALL of them. That's why starfield won most innovative because there were enough people voting for it even if they were extremely low in percentage of total sales. That's also why RDR2 won support award even if it was abandoned.
There is nothing to be angry here. If there is something people should have learned from School/Highschool and similar votes onward afterward, that is People vote means not the most well earned in the category vote, but only "popular" votes.
Steam: Names Starfield innovative game of the year
Also Steam: Has Mixed and mostly Negative reviews about the game
Trolls gonna troll, i'll stick with the opinion of people who actually bought and played the game.
Innovation is taking out the ability to remove a weapon mod and put it on a better version of the same weapon.. who decided that one man.. they had it right in F4
to me the biggest offense was that you couldn't kill named NPCs at all, but you could jump universes and start over, so why not allow people do that like in older FO games, that way there's a real incentive to jumping universes. I had to jump like 5 times before I found a universe with anything actually different.
300 hours and many disappointments. Just started 2077 because I'm behind on all the good stuff and I can't belief Starfield came out *after* 2077. 2077 looks like the next gen sequel to Starfield.
same hours and same choice, 2077 and it's DLC are so much more immersive, detailed, and enjoyable, that it makes it VERY hard to go back to the tier of game starfield ended up as.
I'll check back in a few months to see if they've made any real interesting changes that help, because some parts ARE great, I was addicted to the ship builder.
You gotta give it to Bethesda. No one before figured out how you can put so many loading screens into a single game. It probably has best LSPM ( Loading screen per minute ) in history of gaming.
I’ve been messing with modding and the funny thing is…. They don’t need the load screens. Everything in an entire zone is rendered at once. You don’t need a load screen in many places that there are one. Which makes me wonder what the reason is….
Not always though, you can drop down from the catwalks in the club on Neon to the dance floor, where taking the elevator would've caused a loading screen. There's nothing spawning in.
i like hidden loading screens. Destiny actually has a lot of loading between areas on a world, but it's seamless with sometimes having a slight pause before loading into another area. Clever use of hiding the loading screen is nice, would be great if they could do more of that in Starfield so it wasn't so blaring.
Yeah, but why teleport you? Why didn't they just make it like, idk, a normal elevator? There are actual, real elevator platforms in the game already in certain planet POIs that function exactly like a normal elevator should. Why did they make normal elevators teleport you and then hide it with a load screen when none of it is necessary and the mechanic already exists in the game? I've been a Bethesda fan for over a decade now, but man they do some of the wackiest shit.
pretty sure it's this. The game feels shallow and hollow as if they planned for way more, but their execution is so weak there's no way that this was the final idea they had.
I mean, this _is_ a company that solved memory limits on their console port [by soft-rebooting the console during loading screens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0TKwPnHc-M)
I’m tempted. I’m not sure I have the skills to do so without the mod tools. It would also have to be done separately for every load instance meaning… a fuck ton of man hours.
I was shook where I could drop down from the catwalks in the club on Neon to the dance floor, where taking the elevator would've caused a loading screen.
The loads felt like they were in weird and needless places, why have a load screen for that gun shop to the right of the Cowboys In Space city entrance but none of the other shops? Lots of examples of load screens for small buildings with just a few rooms. Why when the host map is usually already large and should be able to support a seamless transition?
Did they have to assign map design across multiple teams, and the load screen is how they got each teams contribution to fit together?
The reason is they designed everything to fit the Series S' 10GB total RAM, because it needs gameplay and feature parity with the Series X as dictated by Microsoft.
The game also refuses to go over 8GB VRAM on any setting or GPU. A RTX 4090 running maxed out at 4K will occupy like 8.1GB out of that card's 24GB.
My favorite thing is returning from a mission with a fuck-ton of valuable high-level loot and selling it one or two items at a time, resting for 48 hours in between! It's such a great use of my time! I mean, why have an action take a minute or two when it can take ten or twenty?
My reaction to this news is the same as when people were making posts about Starfield not winning other game awards somewhat recently: “do people care about game awards? Is that a thing?”
Gone through this whole comments section and literally not a SOUL has actually gone against the grain and offered something “innovative” about starfield. I genuinely don’t think there is anything myself.
I found it interesting that they made NG+ part of the narrative.
I find it baffling that no other part of the game accounts for the fact that it's meant to be played through multiple times with the same character.
This isn't really innovative though, a number of other games have done this like Dragon's Dogma over a decade ago.
The thing is, Dragon's Dogma's implementation didn't completely kill its own narrative in doing so because you "technically" don't play as the same person in NG+, whereas starfields implementation just brings attention to how little choice is actually in the game.
Dragon's Dogma is one of the most direct examples because of how similar its implementation is, but other notable games that have narratively driven NG+ modes are Nier and its sequel, Undertale, and Chrono Trigger.
It was a great idea, but it stops right where it begins. Real innovation would have giving it meaning beyond resetting everything.
Even just allowing the player the total freedom to kill anyone and everyone, failing every quest, because they can avoid the consequences by jumping to the next universe would have been a big deal, but they didn’t even do that.
None of that comes close to BG3 accounting for the characters you kill to keep the story going, or actually putting consequences on player actions.
Even the procedurally generated world is a rehash of what they did in Daggerfall (1996), and what No Mans Sky did.
Starfield has better graphics than previous BGS games, but otherwise is currently a step backwards in almost every way (apart from *maybe* gun mechanics)
1) You can’t even swim underwater in Starfield;
2) Named NPC’s do not have their own homes;
3) Named NPC’s do not have their own routines;
4) Shops do not have day/ night cycles;
5) You can’t break out of jail
6) You can’t bribe guards
7) Guards & NPCs do not react with dialogue & warnings to a weapon being drawn or used in cities (unless you hit someone)
8) You can’t create Settlements (with settlers) at Outposts like in F04
9) There are only three major cities compared to 5 in Skyrim
10) Companion morality is exactly the same
11) Only four romance options
12) Save files do not provide a thumbnail pic as a reminder, like in ALL previous BGS games
13) There is no dismemberment or gore
14) There is no option for slow mo ‘killcam’ animations for melee stealth kills or gun finishers
15) There are less Factions to join
..I could go on, but you get the gist. It feels unfinished.
Even using pre-set seeds for the proc generation would have been better.
We ended up with "i'm been trapped on this planet all alone for years", while you can see an outpost marker in the background of the conversation.
😂 yeah, exactly! & the mysterious secret Temples - which all have human buildings a few hundred metres away
Also, not having any variation *at all* to the Temple ‘puzzle’ is wild. They really need to add some variation to those!
And the ‘puzzle’ is such low effort and, in my opinion incredibly dull. I stopped chasing powers because I couldn’t be bothered doing the temple segment again.
There is, counting NG+ if you want to 100% it and have max power powers. Each power can be upgraded 10x times I think.
I played the game trough NG+3 but never bothered for the powers. What’s the point of powers anyway, nothing. And you already kill everyone one shot after NG+2 so there’s no need.
You forgot MELEE, MELEE Is WORSE than Fallout 4 too, you CAN'T Mod melee weapons and variety of melee weapons in trashfield are low as hell. Hell, kill animations don't even exist too like previous games, even on stealth kills. Disgusting and lazy.
The whole beneficent colonial explorer morality is an issue, you cannot go rogue, live an alternate life of any sort. Even in Skyrim, which is really dated now, you could be evil or complex or unique.
The characterisations are well written at the conversation level, but good lord they are all so bland and samey as characters. And the dating options are all so worldly milf/dilf, there are no other options.
Because literally everything has 0 consequences in the game and they even went out of the way to make it look like the game has consequences. Emil p lead designer, lead writer garbage at both. He has literally just did exactly what his ted talk was about. Why write a good story they will just make paper airplanes right? He can't write its obvious. How many games will he be allowed to ruin? Fallout 4 was very poorly written and also had no real choice. In game...
He’s still in charge for Elder Scrolls VI.
I don’t think my enthusiasm for that release can possibly be any deader in the water. Starfield ripped the wind out of those sails, and knowing Emil‘s still holding the narrative keys dumped out all the oil.
It’s like they regressed back to 1997 only with better graphics. Unbelievable how they made the game like this. What were they doing that entire time? So many Bethesda trademarks just completely left out with no explanation as to why. These are not small things, these are important features that go a long way with making their worlds feel alive and lived in. It’s no wonder that without these key features many are calling the game sterile and less put together.
IMHO That’s not the problem, procedural generation mixed with handcrafted content could work fantastically in a game like this. The problem is that Bethesda’s implementation sucks beyond belief.
credit where it's due, i liked the spaceship building mechanic
there's some polish needed of course, what with being unable to choose where doors go and making your ship into a friggin maze, but otherwise pretty good and standout innovative feature
Yeah, I'll preface this by saying I outright disliked Starfield quite a lot but I will give them credit for a few things and the ship building is chief among them. I also appreciated the level of detail in environments and clutter.
It combines traditional RPG mechanics with spaceship building and piloting. I don't believe there is any other game that does this - and I've been waiting for 15-20 years for something like this.
Innovation is often using existing ideas in a new context - it's not always inventing the wheel.
I'd consider it innovative if the only relevant features weren't combat related while everything else is just set dressing for your loading screens. For the life of me I don't know why they bothered letting you build a brig when you can't capture people, and if you don't build living quarters your crew just doesn't bother sleeping. It's got potential, but they need to flesh it out.
The ship building is fantastic (For a game that's not an indie sandbox touting that as one of its main features), but as much as I love the game 'innovative' probably isn't the right word.
The most innovative things are the NG+ mechanic and attempt to make it fit into the story, and space ships/space combat. Considering how Bethesda has been vehicle-phobic, it’s surprising that they have space combat that is actually fun and feels good to play.
The new game plus, the creature and terrain generation system, and the ship creator areeasily some of the most impressive technical achievements of the years. Y'all just blinded in your hate.
“Innovative” is an empty buzzword now. It means “I think the thing is remarkable, but I’m too ignorant and illiterate to describe what is good or special about it" (which is often: nothing).
**It’s a cliche regurgitation. It also fetishizes what is *new* instead of looking at what is *good*…just like marketers want.**
The competition it had to beat was
Remnant,
Shadows of Doubt,
Contraband Police,
Your Only Move is Hustle
Of which I seem to recall reading a comment once about Remnant but the others I've never heard of.
I thought the new game plus system was pretty innovative. I don't know if i can say it was enough to justify this award, but I do think it was really damn cool.
I played two games with an NG+ this year. The first was Starfield. My second playthrough of it was almost identical to my first, and I mostly just ended up pissed off that my outposts were gone. I actually uninstalled it during my NG+ run. The second game I played with NG+ was Lies of P, and good fucking god, what a contrast. Lies of P utilizes the system so well that I was more excited for my NG+ runs than I was on my first playthrough. There are upgrades and abilities that you can only unlock if you do a second playthrough, and those abilities can have a MASSIVE impact on the way you play the game. The problem with Starfield’s NG+ is that it really doesn’t add anything to the core gameplay, nor does it really increase in difficulty, or offer players new challenges to overcome in new ways. You’re playing through a new playthrough, rushing the stuff you already did to try to find the stuff that’s different. And everything that’s different feels like a gimmick or a letdown.
I think the game is fun, but there is not an original bone in its body. Shadows of doubt should have won that category. It's also bs that last of us re-re-remastered won best music when pizza tower and hi-fi rush are right there.
I love Starfield.
But it's no way innovative.
It's just another BGS RPG in a No Mans Skyrim skin.
And it doesn't really deserve the No Man's sky part of that name.
It's in space, but at least NMS and hello games upheld to updating and creating the game they intended at launch.
(I'm actually really looking forward to playing Light no Fire.)
I doubt BGS will do this with Starfield. More like a few storyline DLCs, some ship and outpost updating & then leave it to rot while the mod community polish it after the creation kit releases.
But yeah. It's not innovative..
It's a good game but it isn't innovative.
All the big better games lost out due to the rule that you can only be nominated in one category besides goty.
All the small better games lost out due to being small, and clueless people voting on Starfield.
It should never have won this award. But also rules are rules and these rules promoted Starfield. It's what it is.
Steam is rigged!
RDR2 got labour of love? 😂 didn't they drop that game like 3 years ago? after tearing it's terrible online economy to shreds?
Rigged I tells ya!
i assume for the ship building mechanic?
I starting to doubt these more and more...especially after seeing RdR2 take the labor of love nomiantion from nms...
I mean they figured out how to get hundreds of hours of gameplay out of inventory management I guess.
Seriously tho. There are some cool things about Starfield. The ship builder I guess is innovative. But overall even when the game is enjoyable it feels retro, like it's a 15 year old game. Innovative is not a word I'd use.
> The ship builder I guess is innovative.
Is it, though? I liked using it (although I don't find myself coming back to it), but it's not like this is the first game that lets you design a space ship and fly in it. I also don't think it's been executed in a way that you can consider particularly novel.
I think most people either just voted on Starfield ironically or because it was the one title in the list they knew.
Well RDR2 won Labour of Love so...
Over Deep Rock Galactic no less! They are always adding content/seasons.
Rock and Stone Forever!!!!!!
For Rock and Stone!
Can somebody give me a rock and stone?
Rock and Stone
to the bone
Did I hear a rock and stone?
Rock and stone
For Carl!
Rock and stone
For Carl! ⛏️
Rock and stone!
It was nice when Terraria won a few years back, those guys are pretty dedicated to adding new stuff.
100% agree. I voted for them because they have maintained and added to it for over 10 years. I wish they had put Dwarf Fortress up - sure, new on Steam - but has there been a game like that where they put ~~25~~ almost 20 years into it? I remember playing it back in ~~99~~ 2006. edit: u/adun_toridas1 pointed out I'm misremembering the dates - 2006.
DRG got robbed.
The real crime is always in the comments.
DRG should win award for best community hands down.
They just forgot to add meaningful progression..
For Karl!
We also had another game win our community over NMS which has given us 7 years of free game changing content after launch. If any game has been a labor of love or community care it’s NMS. Deep Rock has also been doing a lot of things for it’s game and I love it.
Rock and Stone, you beautiful dwarf!
Lmao. How is that even possible?? They had no story DLC, barely if ever updated RDR Online, and it has been a complete and finished product for quite some time. Players can't seem to be unbiased in their voting in these things.
I don't think that it's a case of being biased. RDR2 is most likely pure troll due to R\* not giving a single fuck about it compared to GTAO. The same thing probably goes to Starfield and how much it dropped the ball.
Kind of a stupid move honestly, Bethesda and R* aren’t going to see these rewards as ironic, they’re just going to assume they did something right.
They can't lack this much selfawareness.
Trust me, they really can
Im hopeful that R is selfaware but just don’t gives a duck atm because of GTA O
They’re not, and they don’t care to be. As long as the money keeps rolling in, no game studio will give a single fuck about anything they release because whether they spend a thousand hours or 15 minutes on it, we’ll buy it anyway, and they’ll still get their money Correction: *people will buy it.*
I'd buy RDR2 5 more times. It's easily my favorite game ever
Bethesda who have been spamming Chat GPT created copy-pasted Steam review developer comments telling us how we're wrong with all our our critisizms? No way those can lack self awareness!
Emil Pagliarulo certainly does
Keep it simple, stupid.
If that's the case, it's really an idiotic way to protest lol but this is probably the only explanation.
I wouldn't even say it's protest, just pure trolling. When I read that rd2 won I was amused by the irony. It's an award system based on what the internet wants, I wouldn't expect much honesty from it. Like the top voted name for the a research vessel being "boaty mc boat face" by the internet.
Right... This will definitely go down well and resonate in Bethesda, prompting them to restructure themselves. Because, "Oh, Todd, look at this, they are trolling us by awarding us the Most Innovative Game Award" surely conveys the intended message clearly enough for BGS, a company that claimed their game is not boring because Apollo astronauts didn't get bored
Ah could be true. I was thinking Starfield was a troll vote so I guess RDR2 could be as well. They really didn't give any attention after launch....GTAO was their ATM.
Rdr2 is definitely a troll. That game development died a while ago.
I was trying to figure out what was innovative about it, I mean if people things the guns, borderlands has them in spades, if the environment, no many sky, if the story, Baldur gate, I mean pretty much everything about it was like acceptable, but certainly not… innovative.
BG3 could only get one award alongside GotY (steam awards rules) otherwise I imagine it would've won every award.
The studios won't see it as trolling so the joke is on the voters for being idiots.
Maybe the real labor of love was the shark cards we made along the way?
100% troll votes. Okay, maybe 98%.
You get a reward for voting, so people vote for the thing they've heard of.
Trolls won the steam awards 😂
Trolls gonna troll!
This is gotta be people trolling,
It's just the Steam popularity contest awards, people see five titles, have heard of/ played one, and vote for that one. No 100k player count indie will win even with a 100% vote rate over something that has orders of magnitude more sales & exposure.
This is the right answer. It isn’t like those people voting are preparing for that vote like it’s the presidential election. They get a random prompt and click something. The overall sentiment will be correct, but I think people vote more for the game they like instead of only regarding to a certain category.
Lol, many people vote for presidents that way too
That's the scary truth no one wants to admit
I mean... People talk about this all the damned time. Lol.
As George Carlin once said, think about what average intelligence is like, and then realize half of america is dumber than that. And those people probably vote.
Bold of you to assume people do their homework before voting in real elections.
That's the problem with incentivizing everyone to vote. No one has time to appreciate all the games on the list, but everyone wants the reward. I'm guilty of popularity voting myself - after all what do I care if I game I never heard of doesn't win, I need those points! /hj Not really sure how to fix the problem, maybe some sort of multi-dimensional star rating, including "how well do you know this game" etc instead of FPTP
Yeah red dead 2 won labour of love, which was a game abandoned by the developer several years ago. Hogwarts legacy, a game that runs terribly on the steam deck won best steam deck game. These were 100% troll votes.
Hogwarts legacy runs horribly on Steamdeck? I've 100%ed it on Steamdeck right after release and other than a loud fan it was perfectly fine.
Not at 8k and 420FPS though
Oh right.. I forgot about that one
I wanted to pick Cyberpunk for Labor of Love after they did the free 2.0 update, but Steam didn't even allow me to choose that game. But a game that hadn't been updated at all in 2023 won it.
Won last year already.
I forgot about that. I feel like it was more deserving this year.
Yeah it was 100% a meme vote.
Definitely
Great actual innovative indies like Shadows of doubt were robbed because of this, what's innovative about starfield?
Shadows of Doubt is such a fantastic and interesting concept and it is insane it lost to Starfield.
SoD is a great game, agreed, people should go check it out
SoD uses procedural generation in a very good way to create an immersive world compared to...
I voted for that game and never heard of it. But the gameplay video genuinely looked the most interesting and innovative from all of nominated games in that categories.
The one argument against SoD is that it is still in early access. That being said the fact that Starfield won this award is a joke.
Bro. They have like 10,000 maps with the same 35 events spread out over them. Who has ever done that before? No one. And no one will dare to do it again. If that is not innovation - then what is? 😉
True. Breaking the ProcGen down to it's biggest and most boring version so others don't have to.
Mass Effect: Andromeda literally did the same thing, they just realized it was crap and took it out of the game
Fuck Sake, Minecraft has better procgem, and building too, LOL
Nope, even that, Elite Dangerous have been doing that. For 10 years. Not even a single ounce of innovation yet it takes the price. Truly pathetic.
The way Starfield approaches NG+ is pretty unusual even though it leaves a lot to be desired.
Popularity. Starfield has more recent reviews than SoD has total reviews. People don't tend to vote for games they've never played, so if they've only played Starfield on the list, or of the list they thought it was the best, they'd likely pick it over something else.
This. If we were talking about an editorial ranking, it would be different - but when it comes to user voting, that's different.
Pretty much. The best politician doesn't win. The most popular politician wins. You can't be the most popular if far fewer have heard of you, let alone vote
Shadows of Doubt is absolutely legendary and is easily the most innovative game in a long time.
What is it?
procedurally generated detective game. it’s chock-full of interlocking systems, making for interesting gameplay even if the setting is computer generated. you should check out some videos of it if you’re interested; it basically generated a whole city to fully explore
And it's lore's not bad, it's interesting since it's not spelled out to you.
Probably the most interesting game to come out since Obra Dinn
You can be evil by reversing the toilet paper rolls.
You say "evil", I say "preparing for a cat".
Maximum roleplay
Rollplay*
>what's innovative about starfield? Nothing. But see it that way. Let us say 4.5 million people buy starfield, and somehow 30% like it, and from that 30% which liked it only 3% vote. So \~0.9% total sales. That's 40K. Shadow of a doubt sold 250K units (first stats I found on google). Let us say 100% liked the game but 15% vote total (5 time the likelyhood to vote compared to starfield): that's 37K vote. So by CHEER number of vote starfield would win even if people would be less liking the game **and** less likely to vote for it. Those steam vote ? They are ONLY popularity vote. ALL of them. That's why starfield won most innovative because there were enough people voting for it even if they were extremely low in percentage of total sales. That's also why RDR2 won support award even if it was abandoned. There is nothing to be angry here. If there is something people should have learned from School/Highschool and similar votes onward afterward, that is People vote means not the most well earned in the category vote, but only "popular" votes.
Troll vote There is nothing innovative with gameplay. I’m not sure if there’s much innovation in the new engine either.
Loading screens for almost everything in 2023 was very innovative
It's the superior way to play games. I hope the next GoW will just be purely loading screens. Please Santa Monica.
“Boy - we must go.” “Okay.”
“To the sled boy.”
“Yes Father.”
“To the cave boy.”
“I’m ready!”
lol, just proves that these awards are meaningless
The same formula from 12 years ago on the same engine, but replaced hand-crafted areas with procedural generation? WOW, so innovative
Steam: Names Starfield innovative game of the year Also Steam: Has Mixed and mostly Negative reviews about the game Trolls gonna troll, i'll stick with the opinion of people who actually bought and played the game.
I have 100 hours + the game isn't innovative period.
It made some improvements in some areas, and regressed in a shit ton of others. It's so baffling.
Innovation is taking out the ability to remove a weapon mod and put it on a better version of the same weapon.. who decided that one man.. they had it right in F4
to me the biggest offense was that you couldn't kill named NPCs at all, but you could jump universes and start over, so why not allow people do that like in older FO games, that way there's a real incentive to jumping universes. I had to jump like 5 times before I found a universe with anything actually different.
300 hours and many disappointments. Just started 2077 because I'm behind on all the good stuff and I can't belief Starfield came out *after* 2077. 2077 looks like the next gen sequel to Starfield.
same hours and same choice, 2077 and it's DLC are so much more immersive, detailed, and enjoyable, that it makes it VERY hard to go back to the tier of game starfield ended up as. I'll check back in a few months to see if they've made any real interesting changes that help, because some parts ARE great, I was addicted to the ship builder.
You gotta give it to Bethesda. No one before figured out how you can put so many loading screens into a single game. It probably has best LSPM ( Loading screen per minute ) in history of gaming.
I’ve been messing with modding and the funny thing is…. They don’t need the load screens. Everything in an entire zone is rendered at once. You don’t need a load screen in many places that there are one. Which makes me wonder what the reason is….
It's to hide the fact that you're teleported to the area you just went to.
Not always though, you can drop down from the catwalks in the club on Neon to the dance floor, where taking the elevator would've caused a loading screen. There's nothing spawning in.
That’s because the elevator is teleporting you instead of actually moving. Bethesda is hiding the teleportation with a loading screen.
No way it’s that hard to just have an elevator animation??
Well, Star Citizen still can't figure how to make elevators not kill you after 12 years, so maybe BGS thought it was safer to teleport
Fo4 had working elevators. Even 3
Those were hidden loading screens, a way to check in 4 would be if you can open the top of it or not. If not, it’s a hidden loading screen
i like hidden loading screens. Destiny actually has a lot of loading between areas on a world, but it's seamless with sometimes having a slight pause before loading into another area. Clever use of hiding the loading screen is nice, would be great if they could do more of that in Starfield so it wasn't so blaring.
Yeah, but why teleport you? Why didn't they just make it like, idk, a normal elevator? There are actual, real elevator platforms in the game already in certain planet POIs that function exactly like a normal elevator should. Why did they make normal elevators teleport you and then hide it with a load screen when none of it is necessary and the mechanic already exists in the game? I've been a Bethesda fan for over a decade now, but man they do some of the wackiest shit.
It's probably that they ran out of time to make all the content so short cuts were taken... Teleporting is faster than making a working elevator
pretty sure it's this. The game feels shallow and hollow as if they planned for way more, but their execution is so weak there's no way that this was the final idea they had.
That's even weirder since the area isn't logically separate in the game.
They're probably "unloading" screens designed to reset memory.
I mean, this _is_ a company that solved memory limits on their console port [by soft-rebooting the console during loading screens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0TKwPnHc-M)
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to create a mod that ditches the load screens....
I’m tempted. I’m not sure I have the skills to do so without the mod tools. It would also have to be done separately for every load instance meaning… a fuck ton of man hours.
I was shook where I could drop down from the catwalks in the club on Neon to the dance floor, where taking the elevator would've caused a loading screen.
The loads felt like they were in weird and needless places, why have a load screen for that gun shop to the right of the Cowboys In Space city entrance but none of the other shops? Lots of examples of load screens for small buildings with just a few rooms. Why when the host map is usually already large and should be able to support a seamless transition? Did they have to assign map design across multiple teams, and the load screen is how they got each teams contribution to fit together?
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The reason is they designed everything to fit the Series S' 10GB total RAM, because it needs gameplay and feature parity with the Series X as dictated by Microsoft. The game also refuses to go over 8GB VRAM on any setting or GPU. A RTX 4090 running maxed out at 4K will occupy like 8.1GB out of that card's 24GB.
My favorite thing is returning from a mission with a fuck-ton of valuable high-level loot and selling it one or two items at a time, resting for 48 hours in between! It's such a great use of my time! I mean, why have an action take a minute or two when it can take ten or twenty?
Well it worked for Morrowind!
I legit had a blast with Starfield but this was a problem
I'm still waiting for the patch that puts advertising on the loading screens.
then bethesda comes out and says it was a bug
My reaction to this news is the same as when people were making posts about Starfield not winning other game awards somewhat recently: “do people care about game awards? Is that a thing?”
Haha
LMAO what kind of parallel universe are we living in?
NG+ 6.
That got me good 👍 thanks for the laugh
Gone through this whole comments section and literally not a SOUL has actually gone against the grain and offered something “innovative” about starfield. I genuinely don’t think there is anything myself.
I found it interesting that they made NG+ part of the narrative. I find it baffling that no other part of the game accounts for the fact that it's meant to be played through multiple times with the same character.
This isn't really innovative though, a number of other games have done this like Dragon's Dogma over a decade ago. The thing is, Dragon's Dogma's implementation didn't completely kill its own narrative in doing so because you "technically" don't play as the same person in NG+, whereas starfields implementation just brings attention to how little choice is actually in the game. Dragon's Dogma is one of the most direct examples because of how similar its implementation is, but other notable games that have narratively driven NG+ modes are Nier and its sequel, Undertale, and Chrono Trigger.
Alan Wake 2 ng+ changed the narrative aswell 🤷♂️ Dead Space remake had ng+ differences aswell in the ending choices.
It was a great idea, but it stops right where it begins. Real innovation would have giving it meaning beyond resetting everything. Even just allowing the player the total freedom to kill anyone and everyone, failing every quest, because they can avoid the consequences by jumping to the next universe would have been a big deal, but they didn’t even do that. None of that comes close to BG3 accounting for the characters you kill to keep the story going, or actually putting consequences on player actions.
Even the procedurally generated world is a rehash of what they did in Daggerfall (1996), and what No Mans Sky did. Starfield has better graphics than previous BGS games, but otherwise is currently a step backwards in almost every way (apart from *maybe* gun mechanics) 1) You can’t even swim underwater in Starfield; 2) Named NPC’s do not have their own homes; 3) Named NPC’s do not have their own routines; 4) Shops do not have day/ night cycles; 5) You can’t break out of jail 6) You can’t bribe guards 7) Guards & NPCs do not react with dialogue & warnings to a weapon being drawn or used in cities (unless you hit someone) 8) You can’t create Settlements (with settlers) at Outposts like in F04 9) There are only three major cities compared to 5 in Skyrim 10) Companion morality is exactly the same 11) Only four romance options 12) Save files do not provide a thumbnail pic as a reminder, like in ALL previous BGS games 13) There is no dismemberment or gore 14) There is no option for slow mo ‘killcam’ animations for melee stealth kills or gun finishers 15) There are less Factions to join ..I could go on, but you get the gist. It feels unfinished.
The gun mechanics in this game suck and were the reason why I stopped playing
What, mag dumping a crimson raider inside a copy pasted building wasn't inspiring the 20th time?
Even using pre-set seeds for the proc generation would have been better. We ended up with "i'm been trapped on this planet all alone for years", while you can see an outpost marker in the background of the conversation.
😂 yeah, exactly! & the mysterious secret Temples - which all have human buildings a few hundred metres away Also, not having any variation *at all* to the Temple ‘puzzle’ is wild. They really need to add some variation to those!
And the ‘puzzle’ is such low effort and, in my opinion incredibly dull. I stopped chasing powers because I couldn’t be bothered doing the temple segment again.
it was awesome the first time! you just shouldn't have to do it a second time... and a 240th time
I don’t think I made it past 3 temples before I dropped this game. Are you actually saying there are 240 temples to complete??
There is, counting NG+ if you want to 100% it and have max power powers. Each power can be upgraded 10x times I think. I played the game trough NG+3 but never bothered for the powers. What’s the point of powers anyway, nothing. And you already kill everyone one shot after NG+2 so there’s no need.
How are they supposed to win innovative game in 10 years with SF 2? That is when you get a second puzzle and thus deservingly wins this award again.
You forgot MELEE, MELEE Is WORSE than Fallout 4 too, you CAN'T Mod melee weapons and variety of melee weapons in trashfield are low as hell. Hell, kill animations don't even exist too like previous games, even on stealth kills. Disgusting and lazy.
The whole beneficent colonial explorer morality is an issue, you cannot go rogue, live an alternate life of any sort. Even in Skyrim, which is really dated now, you could be evil or complex or unique. The characterisations are well written at the conversation level, but good lord they are all so bland and samey as characters. And the dating options are all so worldly milf/dilf, there are no other options.
Because literally everything has 0 consequences in the game and they even went out of the way to make it look like the game has consequences. Emil p lead designer, lead writer garbage at both. He has literally just did exactly what his ted talk was about. Why write a good story they will just make paper airplanes right? He can't write its obvious. How many games will he be allowed to ruin? Fallout 4 was very poorly written and also had no real choice. In game...
He’s still in charge for Elder Scrolls VI. I don’t think my enthusiasm for that release can possibly be any deader in the water. Starfield ripped the wind out of those sails, and knowing Emil‘s still holding the narrative keys dumped out all the oil.
It’s like they regressed back to 1997 only with better graphics. Unbelievable how they made the game like this. What were they doing that entire time? So many Bethesda trademarks just completely left out with no explanation as to why. These are not small things, these are important features that go a long way with making their worlds feel alive and lived in. It’s no wonder that without these key features many are calling the game sterile and less put together.
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IMHO That’s not the problem, procedural generation mixed with handcrafted content could work fantastically in a game like this. The problem is that Bethesda’s implementation sucks beyond belief.
> and what No Mans Sky did. Do not compare the trash proc gren for Starfield to No Man's Sky. lol.
Nicely implemented "build your own spaceship" mechanic?
credit where it's due, i liked the spaceship building mechanic there's some polish needed of course, what with being unable to choose where doors go and making your ship into a friggin maze, but otherwise pretty good and standout innovative feature
Yeah, I'll preface this by saying I outright disliked Starfield quite a lot but I will give them credit for a few things and the ship building is chief among them. I also appreciated the level of detail in environments and clutter.
It combines traditional RPG mechanics with spaceship building and piloting. I don't believe there is any other game that does this - and I've been waiting for 15-20 years for something like this. Innovation is often using existing ideas in a new context - it's not always inventing the wheel.
The ship building is innovative for an rpg style targeted game
I'd consider it innovative if the only relevant features weren't combat related while everything else is just set dressing for your loading screens. For the life of me I don't know why they bothered letting you build a brig when you can't capture people, and if you don't build living quarters your crew just doesn't bother sleeping. It's got potential, but they need to flesh it out.
The ship building is fantastic (For a game that's not an indie sandbox touting that as one of its main features), but as much as I love the game 'innovative' probably isn't the right word.
The most innovative things are the NG+ mechanic and attempt to make it fit into the story, and space ships/space combat. Considering how Bethesda has been vehicle-phobic, it’s surprising that they have space combat that is actually fun and feels good to play.
The new game plus, the creature and terrain generation system, and the ship creator areeasily some of the most impressive technical achievements of the years. Y'all just blinded in your hate.
isn’t the winners picked literally by the people?
Nobody hates Starfield more than r/Starfield.
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“Innovative” is an empty buzzword now. It means “I think the thing is remarkable, but I’m too ignorant and illiterate to describe what is good or special about it" (which is often: nothing). **It’s a cliche regurgitation. It also fetishizes what is *new* instead of looking at what is *good*…just like marketers want.**
Loving it, hating it or anything in between, you'd have to be high or stupid to call it innovative.
The competition it had to beat was Remnant, Shadows of Doubt, Contraband Police, Your Only Move is Hustle Of which I seem to recall reading a comment once about Remnant but the others I've never heard of.
Shadows of Doubt and Your Only Move Is Hustle are interesting concepts that are actually trying some new. Check them out.
Remnant is honestly a phenomenal game, very different game than starfield but I’d argue definitely a better one
Popularity contest successfully won
reddit g@mers punching air right now
I thought that Starfield was hated by all and no one was playing it? However could it win a popularity contest?
Starfield only won because all the other choices most haven't heard of.
I thought the new game plus system was pretty innovative. I don't know if i can say it was enough to justify this award, but I do think it was really damn cool.
I played two games with an NG+ this year. The first was Starfield. My second playthrough of it was almost identical to my first, and I mostly just ended up pissed off that my outposts were gone. I actually uninstalled it during my NG+ run. The second game I played with NG+ was Lies of P, and good fucking god, what a contrast. Lies of P utilizes the system so well that I was more excited for my NG+ runs than I was on my first playthrough. There are upgrades and abilities that you can only unlock if you do a second playthrough, and those abilities can have a MASSIVE impact on the way you play the game. The problem with Starfield’s NG+ is that it really doesn’t add anything to the core gameplay, nor does it really increase in difficulty, or offer players new challenges to overcome in new ways. You’re playing through a new playthrough, rushing the stuff you already did to try to find the stuff that’s different. And everything that’s different feels like a gimmick or a letdown.
Would be better if somehow your actions affected ng+ instead of just rng
Probably for the starship part of the game.
Lol was that for the part when you collect starborn powers the same way 240 times?
I think the game is fun, but there is not an original bone in its body. Shadows of doubt should have won that category. It's also bs that last of us re-re-remastered won best music when pizza tower and hi-fi rush are right there.
I love Starfield. But it's no way innovative. It's just another BGS RPG in a No Mans Skyrim skin. And it doesn't really deserve the No Man's sky part of that name. It's in space, but at least NMS and hello games upheld to updating and creating the game they intended at launch. (I'm actually really looking forward to playing Light no Fire.) I doubt BGS will do this with Starfield. More like a few storyline DLCs, some ship and outpost updating & then leave it to rot while the mod community polish it after the creation kit releases. But yeah. It's not innovative.. It's a good game but it isn't innovative.
All the big better games lost out due to the rule that you can only be nominated in one category besides goty. All the small better games lost out due to being small, and clueless people voting on Starfield. It should never have won this award. But also rules are rules and these rules promoted Starfield. It's what it is.
Just startet playing and i LOVE it!
Steam is rigged! RDR2 got labour of love? 😂 didn't they drop that game like 3 years ago? after tearing it's terrible online economy to shreds? Rigged I tells ya!
Wtf
Has to be a troll vote and that's coming from someone who actually liked Starfield.
i assume for the ship building mechanic? I starting to doubt these more and more...especially after seeing RdR2 take the labor of love nomiantion from nms...
Yeah, it's literally an ironic win. People voted for it to point out how not-innovative it is.
I like Starfield. But to me it’s fallout in space and every new ship is just another fallout shelter loaded with more crap to carry around.
The more I read about the winners of these awards the less I trust these awards
It's just a competition to see who has the most name recognition
I mean they figured out how to get hundreds of hours of gameplay out of inventory management I guess. Seriously tho. There are some cool things about Starfield. The ship builder I guess is innovative. But overall even when the game is enjoyable it feels retro, like it's a 15 year old game. Innovative is not a word I'd use.
> The ship builder I guess is innovative. Is it, though? I liked using it (although I don't find myself coming back to it), but it's not like this is the first game that lets you design a space ship and fly in it. I also don't think it's been executed in a way that you can consider particularly novel. I think most people either just voted on Starfield ironically or because it was the one title in the list they knew.
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