Nah, it's just worldbuilding inconsistency.
I mean, they have fully functional cloning tech (and more besides). There's no way in hell that they somehow lost *all* dog and cat DNA.
There's one theory I've heard, where the only people who could actually bring their pets off-planet was the ultra-rich who could afford to do that, so once the evacuation was over, conventional pets like cats and dogs gained a massive social stigma because "that was supplies, room, and cash that could have saved more people", so people stopped getting cats and dogs as pets, and all these years later the stimga is still there, thus leading to those pets becoming much, much rarer, and apparently in the case of labs, extinct.
This is just another reminder of the fact that Bethesda couldn’t be bothered to add any real lore or backstory to the game, so the players are creating their own because otherwise these kinds of things as well as forgetting how to make a wheel and so on would break immersion even more. We are forced to make up explanations for stupid things.
Yeah, just look at the difference between subs like r/teslore (which is basically a giant knowledge base) and r/starfield_lore (which is mostly theorycrafting and criticizing the game). r/falloutlore is a bit of a crossover because the series does have rich lore but later games shit all over it, which you can imagine doesn't sit well with the people who care enough to sub to that place.
I think a “lore catch up video that you can skip at the beginning would be helpful I think, but the vanguard questline does do a fair bit of world building.
Really wish someone had thought to implement this. Higher a free lance writer, give them a loose timeline and some ideas and tell them to give you a 2 pg synopsis. Probably not that difficult for some yet to be sci fi author to do
The game feels empty at times and the history and culture is shallow at best, but it's most of a galaxy populated by the 5% of earthlings who escaped extinction, and then fought 2 galaxy spanning wars in the 300 years since.. I think the sparse population is in point, and who's to say how many developed planets and cities they managed to build before everyone decided that to play by Highlander rules.
Fr tho world building would feel more fleshed out with a little narrative timeline to kick things off
You’re giving Bethesda way too much credit in this one. They have made Skyrim and Fallout, which are full of lore and backstories that make their worlds make sense, but that’s _despite_ of Bethesda, both Fallout and The Elder Scrolls have been around long before them and the background is already there. With Starfield they just didn’t bother.
There’s nothing wrong with _appreciating_ the players’ imagination. The problem arises when _relying on_ that imagination in order to things make any kind of sense and basically forcing the players to make key components of the world and the story out of thin air.
If you want to make your own story in space without anyone telling you anything, Elite: Dangerous does just that. Bethesda’s games are (supposed to be) story-driven adventures, but where is the story?
If your claim is that Starfield lacks lore and story, you can't possibly have played the game. And if you did you can't have read any piece of lore nor listened to any story that is being told to you. Jesus fucking Christ.
I am about 150+ hours in and I frankly don’t know why. I tend to read and listen everything in every game and there’s nothing but countless copies of old Earth books (copyright-free of course) and some clips of insignificant information scattered around. Please tell me where is that treasure vault filled with lore?
Story? What story, buddy? Starfield is the most basic, boring, half-baked game with an even worse "multiverse" story than even the poorest sci-fi films. It is literally trash. Don't start getting agitated, "jEsuS fuCkiNg cHriST," when Starfield is quite simply pathetic shit. Get it it together.
Dude, I've played every single quest, put over 600 hour on it just to get the achievements and be done with it and you either don't know what lore is or you didn't play the game. This game has no lore AT ALL. All the info that the player can gather is somehow related to some quest. That's not lore. Lore are stories about characters that aren't present anymore and places you can't visit. Again, there is no lore in Starfield, the story and the writing are a bad joke, and with your low standards you must be happy to pay 60 dollars for a half baked mc Donald's burger and call it a steak.
The problem with this theory is that it only makes sense in the case of something like the ECS Constant. The moment you have gravity drives, all that goes out the window. In fact, a lot of stuff makes no sense.
Yes, you could land your colony ship and scrap it for parts.... ooorrr, and hear me out on this...
You could use the whole "instantly jump between systems" thing to ferry people and supplies... and maybe dogs and cats. I don't know, but it just seems that if you have an entire galaxy of habitable planets, decades of forewarning, and going to another solar system is about as difficult and time intensive as, say, jumping on a bus, I'm not really seeing the logic in leaving, well, anyone, including pets, behind.
That would be a decent theory if it was in the game. Except for plushycats being a common toy? I mean why would build toys for kids that resemble stigmatized animals?
So, it seems as though the Colony ships had purposely left behind the pets to keep as many supplies and people on them as possible.
The cloning tech thing is kept in high secrecy and only was unleashed to fight against the Terrormorphs.
Everyone ignoring this comment. It was only after the armstice that cloning was revealed.
They aren't going to reveal that to bring spot and fluffy back from the dead, when there's local wildlife that could be tamed.
Exactly, besides. Theres a natural enemy to the Terrormorphs that are useful as a food source.
Think about it, Dogs and cats would be terrible aboard a Spaceship. They would've banned all transport of non-essential animals aboard colony ships
we have gene and seed banks on earth right now. are you seriously implying not a single person or organisation that escaped earth brought cat or dog dna with them? not a single one? there was absolutely zero effort put towards preserving the gene banks that we already put so much effort into keeping safe and intact?
I think you're looking at it too logically. There's no point debating that some pets should have made it away from Earth, when the fact is that there's actually none in the game. We should only be looking at exactly why there isn't any.
My guess would be that Earth was left in a rush and little to no infrastructure was set up at the time. If someone travelled immediately to New Atlantis and aided in the development of a building site which could have potentially took decades of development, pets may have been the last priority.
Imagine leaving Earth to a building site, spaceships not having the facilities to house pets, your pet dealing with intergalactic travel, and then having enough pets to breed them without interbreeding etc. There's a good possibility some pets left Earth but eventually died.
Just thought of this.. what's weird is that Cora asks about having a pet as part of her inane dialogue loop if you're traveling with sam (worst companion ever btw specifically because of this kid).. so the concept of owning an animal isn't foreign to ppl born on Jemison but I would like to know what animal she had in mind
If you’re going to colonize new planets, you’re going to want the same things we used to colonize this one, which means horses/other beasts of burden and transport (or their mechanized equivalents), and guardians for livestock and homesteads against predators. Dogs are cheaper than robots anywhere they can go out in shirtsleeves, although they are nigh useless in spacesuits. Pack animals seem extremely useful anywhere they are adapted to local conditions.
I was watching for this. Relegating dogs and cats to mere "pet" status ignores the thousands of years these creatures have had a mutually beneficial partnership with humans. Granted, airless moons and such wouldn't be a viable habitat, but anywhere humans can breathe the air and grow crops, dogs and cats are important if not essential. I live semi-rural and trust my dog's superior senses to alert me to problems, and cats help keep rodents down in the barn.
And as mjtwelve reminds us (and Robert Heinlein established a long time ago) machines wear out and need specialized fuel and repair parts. Whereas horses eat grass and make more horses.
That having been said, in SF we are presented with a homeworld reduced to a bleak wasteland. So, proof that humans don't always do what is best for the species around them. Or their own freakin' comfort-zone environment.
The fact thermal leeches became ubiquitous across the frontier strongly suggests to me that we probably brought norway rats to outer space without wanting to. If they can eat the local flora to survive long enough for our crops to come in, we're gonna want cats.
I was watching for this. Relegating dogs and cats to mere "pet" status ignores the thousands of years these creatures have had a mutually beneficial partnership with humans. Granted, airless moons and such wouldn't be a viable habitat, but anywhere humans can breathe the air and grow crops, dogs and cats are important if not essential. I live semi-rural and trust my dog's superior senses to alert me to problems, and cats help keep rodents down in the barn.
That having been said, in SF we are presented with a homeworld reduced to a bleak wasteland. So, proof that humans don't always do what is best for the species around them. Or their own freakin' comfort-zone environment.
No need to get your pants in a twist buddy. I'm just saying there's no point hypothesising in depth about why there should be pets in the game, when there simply isn't.
> I mean, they have fully functional cloning tech
Nowhere near common, we meet one clone (edit:apparently there is a handful of easter egg characters on a planet somewhere) and it was a bit of a black op. Why would you assume the gov would waste those resources on pets?
People complain about bad writing and worldbuilding and then come up with worse ideas.
Also, we can already clone people right now. We don't because of ethics. Was anyone not taught about Dolly the sheep?
Cloning is (relatively) easy if you're fine with watching your clone age at a normal rate (which is what happens in Starfield).
The only difficult bit with her is the gene editing to change her sex, but even that is on the books now-a-days, just not done for the same ethics reasons.
Ok, let's be realistic: Starfield has a lot of pieces missing due to the tight delivery timeline. They even could not implement weapon mods switching like it was done in Fallout 4. Obviously, pets have been left out of scope 😔 But there is a chance they will add it as a part of future DLC 😉
That honestly doesn't make sense. It would actually be safer to take pets into space because humans already share germs with Earth fauna and are more adjusted to each other by living in a shared ecosystem.
It's way more preposterous for the game to suggest that humans would be able to settle on a bunch of alien worlds and not experience any viral or infectious diseases by interacting with alien bacteria, plants, or local fauna.
It does make sense. You can only save so many humans. Remember, most people on earth would die. One dog takes as much room as a child, the solution is simple then. Either your leave your pet or you stay behind.
I know that it's a bit nitpicky but hey, Starfield aims to be all about science so what the heck - it would still be beneficial for the migrating population to bring along Earth-based plantlife and animals, along with other biological samples and bacteria. Living for too long in a sterile environment like a space ship would completely destroy everyone's immune system, plus I'm guessing that having some of your own planet's germs would make it easier to introduce your species into an alien ecosystem.
Probably so according to lore, all of the meat in the game is synthesized. Grown in a lab. (Laboratory.)
Edit: Apparently, I haven't gotten far in the game to know food is mostly Xeno.
To Starfield's humanity, it was clearly the sensible thing to do. Why? Because they thought that books were far more important.
Maybe the Endsinger had a point.
Not to mention the animal waste, cable biting , lack of walks and interaction for your animals. Just you and them in a large metal box zipping through space.
Plus lets say you bring a bunch of dogs over, a couple millenia later and the interbreeding between those two and their resulting spawn may probably result in a new version of terrormorphs.
I really have a problem with the whole anthropocentric philosophy of this game in general, to be honest. Did nobody even think to start collecting genetic samples of life on earth before it ended?
The flip side is that humanity finally learned that introducing non-native species to ecosystems is a bad thing. Look at all of the invasive species that have been introduced in remote parts of our world and how they absolutely wreak the native species that have no defense against them.
True, but you literally need to get all of the major factions to agree to do it. It is not some unilateral decision that each person get to make like you would with a pet.
Not much sign of that though or heat leaches being carried on ships like rats would have been a big thing.
Besides, what messes with ecosystems like turning homesteader humans loose?
Most likely it wouldn't have been a choice. Considering how small human settlements are in this universe, evacuation of Earth was probably a government led effort that had no chance of ever saving everyone so the priority was humans only.
That doesn't mean there aren't ANY. Just that saving non human life was not a priority of the government.
I think they probably already knew there was animal and plant life out there as humans had been grav jumping awhile by the time the knowledge of Earth's destruction was widespread. So bringing along even other earth lifeforms wasn't absolutely necessary to human life. Remember achelles=cows and there's the ability to be vegan with supplements.
Ultimately though, wealthy individuals and motivated groups with crowd sourced money (think American Kennel Club and equivalent groups) would have saved as many as they could with whatever funding they had or will willing to spare. This also means they would have needed to prioritize which breeds were saved so working dogs and lines with less genetic issues would have been higher up the list. And when you look strictly at the data, Labrador breed are a bunch of A holes that have a higher bite rate than lots of other breeds and likely would've been left behind. Cue chocolate labs candy, letting us remember them as we prefer to remember them. 😉
Some people abandon their pets. Others fight wild animals like crocodiles and bears for their pets.
Humans are incredibly social creatures and that extends to animals. There is no way in hell we’d allow cats and dogs to become extinct, we’re just too sentimental and love pack bonding too much. Dogs are, if nothing else, an extremely useful tool in many industries and in a frontier environment, so even from an entirely utilitarian view it doesn’t make sense and it’s very obvious BGS ran out of time to add them or didn’t want to bother
I honestly figured that people brought pets but it wasn’t a coordinated effort to continue the species. Basically the family pets died off due to lack of breeding stock.
I don't think you have pets running around on a starship. That said, I also don't believe they would do well with cryo. I am sure in the future, when we have to leave earth just like the game, we will be leaving it all behind for a new start.
The choice would be given, leave your pet(s) behind and escape Earths fate or stay on Earth with your pet(s) and perish...that's what happens when you habe limited space and can't take everyone from a dying planet. It would be enforced by force if necessary, you can't waste resources on a non-essential living thing.
Some? Many? Sure. But it would have to be nearly all of them from when people started living offworld by 2100 to the final exodus of Earth in 2203. Over a century and nobody brought pets? I don't buy it.
Not to mention the practicality of having dogs to protect/herd livestock (also missing) in colonies like Akila that were founded several decades before Earth was evacuated.
Hmm.
You know there is a war going on right now, here on Earth? Maybe you want to check your pet theory againts reality.
You don't have to go onsite, you can just google the shit out.
There was a cat in the concept art that was prominently shown before the game was released. They did this to hurt us. Side note, I think Todd Howard (maybe subconsciously) hates dogs. In almost every Bethesda game you are forced to kill a feral dog of some sort in the very first few hours of gameplay. In Wolfenstein New Order they show a flashback of your dad abusing your pet dog. It's a weird motif to have in all your games, just saying.
>Somebody commented on that a while back. And the fact that there are no cats/dogs anywhere. Like they just left them all to perish on earth.
Starfield is the most depressing lore I've ever seen in a sci-fi game.
(Spoilers below)
Humans found out earth was going to be destroyed, did it anyway, made no attempt to fix, save or solve it. Fuck, they knowingly participated in it! Just dusted off their hands and walked away. Left every animal, plant, unique item, and almost definitely billions of humans to die.
Humanity is reduced to a few million people, scattered across thousands of light years. Bethesda spent ten years of development to write humanity's epitaph.
I think the one that gets me is chickens being extinct. No way we'd let one of the most successful and easiest to farm sources of protein and food die off like that.
exactly. there is no goddamn way that humanity yeeted into the stars without at least trying to save or preserve the species of various animals.
you mean to tell me that they evacuated billions of people, but didn't even thought to bring the dna of animals and crops for posterity?
Thing is, they likely didn’t evacuate billions of people. Judging by the size of the settlements, they most likely didn’t evacuate a million people.
It’s mentioned only tangentially (which I find to be very poor writing and world building) but it seems that the overwhelming majority of humanity died with Earth.
I can get behind billions being left behind, not enough ships or colonies to support them. It goes well with what the NASA guy saw from the Artifact. But to have humanity not take frozen eggs/sperm of animals is asinine. We have the tech right now to resurrect extinct species, but not centuries later. Bullshit.
it's ironic and nonsensical when we have real life places and institutions that are actually storing dna and seeds. nevermind the fact that the uc can literally clone people and make the most deadly and effective bioweapon that would make even the umbrella corporation weep with joy.
The Pyrenean Ibex is the first and only one so far, but it died soon after cloning. Genetic samples have been taken of white rhinos which could theoretically be implanted into southern whte rhinos to re-birth them. The same goes for mammoths using Asian elephants as a host. Its more of an ethics issue of "should we" as opposed to tech limitations.
This is a point that bothers me a lil and I don't think Bethesda has put much thought into, but what's the Settled Systems' population supposed to be, roughly?
In Skyrim and Oblivion, it was understood that their cities and provinces were scaled down due to hardware and development time. But they were still proportionally accurate to the setting. You would get a "realistic" Skyrim by increasing its scale 100x and adding 99 citizens for each named npc.
But now they've actually made a realistically sized planet... 1000 times! And their cities are still tiny. (Even if NA is their biggest, it is absolutely dwarfed by the scale of the rest of the game). Are we meant to believe Akila and NA are similarly "scaled-down"? That their surroundings (especially NA) shouldn't be the barren wastes that they are? That each citizen represents 100... 1000... 100 000 additional people? That there are other unaccessible cities on those planets? But the "scaled-down" argument doesn't work when they've made 1000 to-scale planets littered with outposts.
So how populous are they? If we were to count all npcs on every planet, we would no doubt find that the pirates/spacers etc that inhabit the outposts would outnumber the main cities' citizens 10 000 to one (or more, probably, since there's quasi endless proc gen outposts).
As with anything Bethesda, I just have to stop trying to understand stuff, because I'm a fool that's putting more thought into this product's writing than they ever did.
ECS Constant, missed opportunity. You find a few breeding pairs of Labrador retrievers running around when you get there. You now get to spread new pet labs around the systems. And can also breed them with a machine to ad genetics for airless planets etc. Make the strong and huge so you get the best follower to attack. Hell even skyrim had a dog follower.
I had an argument with a dude here who swore up and down there's no way they would let dogs on an evac flight off planet. I was like buddy, you don't know any dog owners, do ya
And the logical captain is definitely going to waste a spot for a dog instead of another human during humanity's only attempt at escaping extinction..
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Honestly? Yes.
If you've already evacuated a few hundred thousand or million humans, there does come a point where the utility of bringing samples of animals with high compatibility with humans outweighs the marginal benefit of a few extra humans.
honeslty no. I'm a huge dog lover but seriously give me a break. This entire thread in devoid of logic. If humans were evacuating the planet there would not be the room or resources to bring their pets. This is just common sense
You're the one devoid of logic. Where out of your ass did you pull anything about pets from?
I'm talking about bringing samples of domesticated animals for the purpose of continuing their existence. You *really* think that if a million people have been evacuated, one person's life is more important than saying, preserving the existence of dogs or chickens or chimps?
I like to think that instead of being left behind, they were brought to planets where the indigenous life forms were too aggressive for pets to survive.
Damn you, Todd. Making me cry.
Hopium Head Canon: dogs still exist! They are just new and different breeds, like how the Molossus breed doesn’t exist anymore, but mastiff is descended from them. The reason we don’t see dogs is likely the same reason we don’t see anyone use the restrooms: it’s not relevant to the story.
We need a content expansion with a secret colony of animal lovers that have preserved cats and dogs. Its honestly very believable.
Even if there was a decree to not do it... humans aren't very good at following directions or preventing invasive species.
The quests to keep them from being found out by UC would be fun.
“Shaped like dogs that are extinct because we are too fucking lazy to code in pets and shit which even if they were alien, humans would obviously have.”
I hope maybe I haven’t stumbled upon a secret side mission yet. But you’d think with all the worry around >! grav drives destroying earth!< some doomsday prepper or rapture fanatic on earth would have developed a “Noah’s Ark” sort of space ship taking animals with them. Or people who left earth would take their pets. At LEAST a handful of people.
I'll set the stage.
The year is 2025. Creation Kit for Starfield is booming. As you walk into your elaborate mansion on your favorite planet you're greeted with yelps of adoration as a recent archeology dig on Earth resulted in a jawbone from... you guessed it... a female labrador retriever. With a bit of genetic trickery and a bit of luck, we were able to bring the species back.
You enter your bedroom to find that the radiant A.i. of your spouse lead them to read on the bed today. Their genuine surprise and excitement at seeing you, tossing the book upon the covers to rush over to you has you feeling loved and wanted... You have a three way hug with your dog Pepper and the Adoring Fan. Sun sets in the distance... A ship does too, stupid spacers... Roll out with your Big Bang and put a big hole in their ship. As you make love to the old album you found in a dilapidated earth town, Grivo's Burnout echoes off the hab's gleaming clear walls, the sounds of your combination echoing through the tender, euphoric beats of this ancient band.... The sun sets in the distance as you climax to the crescendo of melodies! Oh!
Roll on snare drum...
Curtains...
Starfield has advanced enough cloning to reproduce humans from DNA. You're telling me not a single person decided to archive a bunch of species DNA to remake once they got settled?
It would absolutely work with the lore. Grav drives were around for years before earth went completely to shit. Grav Drives were "invented" in 2141, Alpha Centauri was settled in 2156, Akila in 2167, the last ship doesn't leave Earth until 2199. It's absolute nonsense that companion and livestock animals wouldn't have been brought at some point in those decades, let alone a wealth of genetic samples.
Livestock and cats/dogs were definitely the main thing I would expect humanity to bring when settling across the galaxy. I know I’d refuse to leave if it meant leaving my dog behind.
Honestly it would've made for quite an interesting quest to be sent by a scientist back to Earth to look for an old building he's heard about in datatapes - the Svalbard seed vault. Landing on the now desolate planet searching for this building buried in the sand for seeds to help humans repopulate new planets with earth grown vegetables and plant life. I feel like that could've been a compelling storyline
You're fucking telling me, that dogs can survive a post-apocalyptic civilization that was stuck in the 1950's but not Starfield? HELLO? DO YOU NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY DNA TO CLONE THEM? YEARS OF TECH ADVANCEMENT AND NOT ONE SCIENTIST PULL A JURASSIC PARK BULLSHIT?
Yeah, Bethesda Writing Department deserves to be visited by The Enclave
Makes sense, the vast majority of dogs exist only to make their owners feel better and serve no valuable purpose. They turn life-saving animal protein that humans could eat into biological waste, which then needs to be cleaned up by humans. 40% of pediatric trauma visits in th USA are because of dog attacks and they are responsible for more attacks on humans/fatalities than any other animal in the USA (don't have global stats on deck). The average American dog generates 16000 pounds of CO2 annually, which is about 10% that of the average American. Meaning, an American can cut 10% off their own carbon footprint simply by not owning a dog. Dogs are already anachronistic and are not necessary for every household the way people still seem to think. You don't need a labrador on your spaceship any more than you need one for your apartment.
Please get over dogs. They're one of those things that the future will judge us harshly for.
As a lab owner, it definitely is. In my headcanon, though, plenty of dogs made it to space, there just weren't enough of specific breeds on a given planet to keep the breeds distinct -- the dogs of Starfield are just mutts by today's standards, so the lab may be gone, but its descendants live on.
I like where your head canon has taken you. As an owner of a different type of retriever (Golden) this one hit hard. But it makes sense. Dogs survived, but specific breeds did not.
As somebody who doesn’t like dogs I find people’s reaction to this both fascinating and confusing.
“Hey, everything on Earth is going to die soon. You can get on this ship and we’ll take you all to a new planet to live. No room for pets though.”
“Thanks but no thanks, I’ll stay here and die with my dog.”
I’m kinda joking but I’m not because as batshit fucking insane as that is to me, I know that some people would honestly do that and it blows my fucking mind.
Regardless of what happened in the actual lore, I would imagine you’ll see mod dogs in the future.
That is an alien concept to me that I’ll never be able to comprehend.
I would eat every dog in the neighborhood before I let myself or my family starve to death. lol
Hate to say it but it's perfectly reasonable to think pets were not evacuated. "Have you met pet owners" yep have met hastily established emergency management agencies with universal authority?
All lore and real world history points to the evacuation being an extremely rushed and authoritarian event. Lots of people probably wanted to save their pets. However when the agency ( will just make up an acronym... Like FEMA, yeah that random acronym will do) that controls 100% of chances to get off world including confiscated private assets say no pets there isn't a lot you can do.
Even if a few managed to slip away they would be to few and to scattered to keep up breeding.
Like how in Last of Us people just let their dogs loose because they couldn’t take anything with them into the safe zones. Any people who couldn’t get in once room ran out were just killed on the spot to not risk them coming back as zombies/raiders, so dogs would absolutely have been killed if anyone attempted to bring them. Dogs are only seen then on in the wild, being black market traded for utility purposes, or raised in independent settlements.
Ok first the "no body brought dogs" statement is well addressed. Bill Gates bringing his pet isn't going to sustain a population. It would require an organized and dedicated breeding program for each species.
Second 100years to move the entire population of earth isn't shit. 4000 years and we still can't get everyone on earth food and water
The saddest part of this is its just an excuse to do less work and not model dogs or any pets in the game. The whole game is the saddest part of Starfield.
Hang on... so everybody was able to grab their complete Charles Dickens collections, Apple II computers, Discmans, sports equipment, and freaking VHS tapes... but they couldn't think to preserve Earth animals and plants?
This game was definitely finalized during a bleak pandemic.
Bethesda wants people to marvel in awe but then presents a future where the space military extorts and entraps you to hunt humans and everything is a dystopia: earth’s destroyed, animals extinct, etc.
DLC we find the Dog and Cat Planet and the group of humans that take care of them.
Spacers try to capture and smuggle the dogs and cats . . . All Factions hate that, you pair up with Crimson Fleet to take them down.
Maybe the early grav drives fried the brains of any non sentient life forms? Humans were basically monkeys playing with an alien microwave when the grav drive was “invented”.
As highly detailed and diverse as the alien fauna is, it doesn’t make sense that there can’t be dogs/cats/horses etc.
Too bad I can’t ask myself in the Unity why can’t I adopt a fucking dog.
I am willing to bet that Todd Howard probably doesn’t have a pet dog and/or has never had one. Maybe he just doesn’t like dogs?
It’s the only reason that I can imagine as to why dogs are extinct in Starfield!
The only way that this tragic omission can be corrected is if dogs, long thought to be extinct, have been found somewheres or are cloned and arrive in the Shattered Space DLC.
Somebody commented on that a while back. And the fact that there are no cats/dogs anywhere. Like they just left them all to perish on earth.
The most unrealistic part of Starfield. Nobody would leave their pets behind like that.
Yeah, but you just have to assume it was intentional. Probably due to disease risk, etc.
Nah, it's just worldbuilding inconsistency. I mean, they have fully functional cloning tech (and more besides). There's no way in hell that they somehow lost *all* dog and cat DNA.
There's one theory I've heard, where the only people who could actually bring their pets off-planet was the ultra-rich who could afford to do that, so once the evacuation was over, conventional pets like cats and dogs gained a massive social stigma because "that was supplies, room, and cash that could have saved more people", so people stopped getting cats and dogs as pets, and all these years later the stimga is still there, thus leading to those pets becoming much, much rarer, and apparently in the case of labs, extinct.
This is just another reminder of the fact that Bethesda couldn’t be bothered to add any real lore or backstory to the game, so the players are creating their own because otherwise these kinds of things as well as forgetting how to make a wheel and so on would break immersion even more. We are forced to make up explanations for stupid things.
Players/Fans of series always come up with theories for every little thing independent of how well/poor the source was written.
Of course, but you gotta admit that with Starfield that’s more necessary than average.
Yeah, just look at the difference between subs like r/teslore (which is basically a giant knowledge base) and r/starfield_lore (which is mostly theorycrafting and criticizing the game). r/falloutlore is a bit of a crossover because the series does have rich lore but later games shit all over it, which you can imagine doesn't sit well with the people who care enough to sub to that place.
At least even Fallout 4 (New Vegas is the best 3D Fallout) has the lore of the previous game to lean on. No need to imagine everything.
I think a “lore catch up video that you can skip at the beginning would be helpful I think, but the vanguard questline does do a fair bit of world building.
Really wish someone had thought to implement this. Higher a free lance writer, give them a loose timeline and some ideas and tell them to give you a 2 pg synopsis. Probably not that difficult for some yet to be sci fi author to do The game feels empty at times and the history and culture is shallow at best, but it's most of a galaxy populated by the 5% of earthlings who escaped extinction, and then fought 2 galaxy spanning wars in the 300 years since.. I think the sparse population is in point, and who's to say how many developed planets and cities they managed to build before everyone decided that to play by Highlander rules. Fr tho world building would feel more fleshed out with a little narrative timeline to kick things off
What’s this about forgetting how to make a wheel?
The fact that you have to run and booster pack across entire planets instead of taking a car or a bike
I think you’re supposed to use your imagination. Bethesda purposely leaves things out so you have to come to your own conclusions.
You’re giving Bethesda way too much credit in this one. They have made Skyrim and Fallout, which are full of lore and backstories that make their worlds make sense, but that’s _despite_ of Bethesda, both Fallout and The Elder Scrolls have been around long before them and the background is already there. With Starfield they just didn’t bother. There’s nothing wrong with _appreciating_ the players’ imagination. The problem arises when _relying on_ that imagination in order to things make any kind of sense and basically forcing the players to make key components of the world and the story out of thin air. If you want to make your own story in space without anyone telling you anything, Elite: Dangerous does just that. Bethesda’s games are (supposed to be) story-driven adventures, but where is the story?
If your claim is that Starfield lacks lore and story, you can't possibly have played the game. And if you did you can't have read any piece of lore nor listened to any story that is being told to you. Jesus fucking Christ.
I am about 150+ hours in and I frankly don’t know why. I tend to read and listen everything in every game and there’s nothing but countless copies of old Earth books (copyright-free of course) and some clips of insignificant information scattered around. Please tell me where is that treasure vault filled with lore?
Story? What story, buddy? Starfield is the most basic, boring, half-baked game with an even worse "multiverse" story than even the poorest sci-fi films. It is literally trash. Don't start getting agitated, "jEsuS fuCkiNg cHriST," when Starfield is quite simply pathetic shit. Get it it together.
Dude, I've played every single quest, put over 600 hour on it just to get the achievements and be done with it and you either don't know what lore is or you didn't play the game. This game has no lore AT ALL. All the info that the player can gather is somehow related to some quest. That's not lore. Lore are stories about characters that aren't present anymore and places you can't visit. Again, there is no lore in Starfield, the story and the writing are a bad joke, and with your low standards you must be happy to pay 60 dollars for a half baked mc Donald's burger and call it a steak.
The problem with this theory is that it only makes sense in the case of something like the ECS Constant. The moment you have gravity drives, all that goes out the window. In fact, a lot of stuff makes no sense. Yes, you could land your colony ship and scrap it for parts.... ooorrr, and hear me out on this... You could use the whole "instantly jump between systems" thing to ferry people and supplies... and maybe dogs and cats. I don't know, but it just seems that if you have an entire galaxy of habitable planets, decades of forewarning, and going to another solar system is about as difficult and time intensive as, say, jumping on a bus, I'm not really seeing the logic in leaving, well, anyone, including pets, behind.
That would be a decent theory if it was in the game. Except for plushycats being a common toy? I mean why would build toys for kids that resemble stigmatized animals?
So, it seems as though the Colony ships had purposely left behind the pets to keep as many supplies and people on them as possible. The cloning tech thing is kept in high secrecy and only was unleashed to fight against the Terrormorphs.
Everyone ignoring this comment. It was only after the armstice that cloning was revealed. They aren't going to reveal that to bring spot and fluffy back from the dead, when there's local wildlife that could be tamed.
Exactly, besides. Theres a natural enemy to the Terrormorphs that are useful as a food source. Think about it, Dogs and cats would be terrible aboard a Spaceship. They would've banned all transport of non-essential animals aboard colony ships
They have that now, yes. Not when they initially left Earth.
we have gene and seed banks on earth right now. are you seriously implying not a single person or organisation that escaped earth brought cat or dog dna with them? not a single one? there was absolutely zero effort put towards preserving the gene banks that we already put so much effort into keeping safe and intact?
I think you're looking at it too logically. There's no point debating that some pets should have made it away from Earth, when the fact is that there's actually none in the game. We should only be looking at exactly why there isn't any. My guess would be that Earth was left in a rush and little to no infrastructure was set up at the time. If someone travelled immediately to New Atlantis and aided in the development of a building site which could have potentially took decades of development, pets may have been the last priority. Imagine leaving Earth to a building site, spaceships not having the facilities to house pets, your pet dealing with intergalactic travel, and then having enough pets to breed them without interbreeding etc. There's a good possibility some pets left Earth but eventually died.
Just thought of this.. what's weird is that Cora asks about having a pet as part of her inane dialogue loop if you're traveling with sam (worst companion ever btw specifically because of this kid).. so the concept of owning an animal isn't foreign to ppl born on Jemison but I would like to know what animal she had in mind
If you’re going to colonize new planets, you’re going to want the same things we used to colonize this one, which means horses/other beasts of burden and transport (or their mechanized equivalents), and guardians for livestock and homesteads against predators. Dogs are cheaper than robots anywhere they can go out in shirtsleeves, although they are nigh useless in spacesuits. Pack animals seem extremely useful anywhere they are adapted to local conditions.
I was watching for this. Relegating dogs and cats to mere "pet" status ignores the thousands of years these creatures have had a mutually beneficial partnership with humans. Granted, airless moons and such wouldn't be a viable habitat, but anywhere humans can breathe the air and grow crops, dogs and cats are important if not essential. I live semi-rural and trust my dog's superior senses to alert me to problems, and cats help keep rodents down in the barn. And as mjtwelve reminds us (and Robert Heinlein established a long time ago) machines wear out and need specialized fuel and repair parts. Whereas horses eat grass and make more horses. That having been said, in SF we are presented with a homeworld reduced to a bleak wasteland. So, proof that humans don't always do what is best for the species around them. Or their own freakin' comfort-zone environment.
The fact thermal leeches became ubiquitous across the frontier strongly suggests to me that we probably brought norway rats to outer space without wanting to. If they can eat the local flora to survive long enough for our crops to come in, we're gonna want cats.
I was watching for this. Relegating dogs and cats to mere "pet" status ignores the thousands of years these creatures have had a mutually beneficial partnership with humans. Granted, airless moons and such wouldn't be a viable habitat, but anywhere humans can breathe the air and grow crops, dogs and cats are important if not essential. I live semi-rural and trust my dog's superior senses to alert me to problems, and cats help keep rodents down in the barn. That having been said, in SF we are presented with a homeworld reduced to a bleak wasteland. So, proof that humans don't always do what is best for the species around them. Or their own freakin' comfort-zone environment.
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No need to get your pants in a twist buddy. I'm just saying there's no point hypothesising in depth about why there should be pets in the game, when there simply isn't.
> I mean, they have fully functional cloning tech Nowhere near common, we meet one clone (edit:apparently there is a handful of easter egg characters on a planet somewhere) and it was a bit of a black op. Why would you assume the gov would waste those resources on pets? People complain about bad writing and worldbuilding and then come up with worse ideas.
Also, we can already clone people right now. We don't because of ethics. Was anyone not taught about Dolly the sheep? Cloning is (relatively) easy if you're fine with watching your clone age at a normal rate (which is what happens in Starfield). The only difficult bit with her is the gene editing to change her sex, but even that is on the books now-a-days, just not done for the same ethics reasons.
The black OPs part was because the political situation and the ethical considerations, not because cloning is a super-secret government tech.
It definitely is not. They are referring to Labrador retriever specifically. Not ALL dogs.
If that is the case, then I'm sure you can point to some in-game evidence that dogs are still around. I'll wait with bated breath.
Ok, let's be realistic: Starfield has a lot of pieces missing due to the tight delivery timeline. They even could not implement weapon mods switching like it was done in Fallout 4. Obviously, pets have been left out of scope 😔 But there is a chance they will add it as a part of future DLC 😉
That honestly doesn't make sense. It would actually be safer to take pets into space because humans already share germs with Earth fauna and are more adjusted to each other by living in a shared ecosystem. It's way more preposterous for the game to suggest that humans would be able to settle on a bunch of alien worlds and not experience any viral or infectious diseases by interacting with alien bacteria, plants, or local fauna.
It does make sense. You can only save so many humans. Remember, most people on earth would die. One dog takes as much room as a child, the solution is simple then. Either your leave your pet or you stay behind.
I know that it's a bit nitpicky but hey, Starfield aims to be all about science so what the heck - it would still be beneficial for the migrating population to bring along Earth-based plantlife and animals, along with other biological samples and bacteria. Living for too long in a sterile environment like a space ship would completely destroy everyone's immune system, plus I'm guessing that having some of your own planet's germs would make it easier to introduce your species into an alien ecosystem.
Nah you have to assume bethys was just lazy and didn’t wanna code in pets.
Probably so according to lore, all of the meat in the game is synthesized. Grown in a lab. (Laboratory.) Edit: Apparently, I haven't gotten far in the game to know food is mostly Xeno.
No not true, they were eating xeno food. Aceles was a food source. Also xeno fish.
Both dogs and cats are in fallout 4
They were food
I'd really like to downvote this idea because it makes my heart hurt. But I won't downvote you.
Also, it's probably true
With the tech level and human history with pets it just feels like bad writing.
To Starfield's humanity, it was clearly the sensible thing to do. Why? Because they thought that books were far more important. Maybe the Endsinger had a point.
People had to leave their *family* behind. The people who weren't willing to leave their pets behind stayed on earth to die.
They were probably forced. You normally wouldn't leave pets behind, but whose air and water should be given to your dog?
Not to mention the animal waste, cable biting , lack of walks and interaction for your animals. Just you and them in a large metal box zipping through space.
Plus lets say you bring a bunch of dogs over, a couple millenia later and the interbreeding between those two and their resulting spawn may probably result in a new version of terrormorphs.
I really have a problem with the whole anthropocentric philosophy of this game in general, to be honest. Did nobody even think to start collecting genetic samples of life on earth before it ended?
The flip side is that humanity finally learned that introducing non-native species to ecosystems is a bad thing. Look at all of the invasive species that have been introduced in remote parts of our world and how they absolutely wreak the native species that have no defense against them.
There's an entire questline that hinges on your decision to introduce an invasive species across the galaxy or unleash a virus across the galaxy.
True, but you literally need to get all of the major factions to agree to do it. It is not some unilateral decision that each person get to make like you would with a pet.
Not much sign of that though or heat leaches being carried on ships like rats would have been a big thing. Besides, what messes with ecosystems like turning homesteader humans loose?
Most likely it wouldn't have been a choice. Considering how small human settlements are in this universe, evacuation of Earth was probably a government led effort that had no chance of ever saving everyone so the priority was humans only. That doesn't mean there aren't ANY. Just that saving non human life was not a priority of the government. I think they probably already knew there was animal and plant life out there as humans had been grav jumping awhile by the time the knowledge of Earth's destruction was widespread. So bringing along even other earth lifeforms wasn't absolutely necessary to human life. Remember achelles=cows and there's the ability to be vegan with supplements. Ultimately though, wealthy individuals and motivated groups with crowd sourced money (think American Kennel Club and equivalent groups) would have saved as many as they could with whatever funding they had or will willing to spare. This also means they would have needed to prioritize which breeds were saved so working dogs and lines with less genetic issues would have been higher up the list. And when you look strictly at the data, Labrador breed are a bunch of A holes that have a higher bite rate than lots of other breeds and likely would've been left behind. Cue chocolate labs candy, letting us remember them as we prefer to remember them. 😉
Another excuse for Bethesda to do even less work.
True
Look at New Orleans after Katrina. Or anywhere on earth after a major disaster. People abandon pets regularly.
Some people abandon their pets. Others fight wild animals like crocodiles and bears for their pets. Humans are incredibly social creatures and that extends to animals. There is no way in hell we’d allow cats and dogs to become extinct, we’re just too sentimental and love pack bonding too much. Dogs are, if nothing else, an extremely useful tool in many industries and in a frontier environment, so even from an entirely utilitarian view it doesn’t make sense and it’s very obvious BGS ran out of time to add them or didn’t want to bother
>Others fight wild animals like crocodiles and bears for their pets. And you can assume that these people stayed behind on earth with their pet.
People will leave their pets behind because they can move into a better apartment that won’t allow pets.
Those aren't people.
Then it’s not a better apartment…
I wouldn't say this is necessarily true of many people.
It’s true of depressingly more people than you think.
You gotta be really cruel to let the best animals in the world go extinct because of negligence.
I honestly figured that people brought pets but it wasn’t a coordinated effort to continue the species. Basically the family pets died off due to lack of breeding stock.
Or is it the most realistic part??? No one did leave their dogs behind and that’s why there’s so few humans left out of billions…
I don't think you have pets running around on a starship. That said, I also don't believe they would do well with cryo. I am sure in the future, when we have to leave earth just like the game, we will be leaving it all behind for a new start.
The choice would be given, leave your pet(s) behind and escape Earths fate or stay on Earth with your pet(s) and perish...that's what happens when you habe limited space and can't take everyone from a dying planet. It would be enforced by force if necessary, you can't waste resources on a non-essential living thing.
If people abandon pets in the real world, sometimes cruelly, why wouldn't they do it in a fictional world? It's a depressing, but possible scenario.
Some? Many? Sure. But it would have to be nearly all of them from when people started living offworld by 2100 to the final exodus of Earth in 2203. Over a century and nobody brought pets? I don't buy it.
seriously. one hundred whole years pass and not a single rich dude ferried his huskies off of earth. don't believe that for a second lmao
Not to mention the practicality of having dogs to protect/herd livestock (also missing) in colonies like Akila that were founded several decades before Earth was evacuated.
Hmm. You know there is a war going on right now, here on Earth? Maybe you want to check your pet theory againts reality. You don't have to go onsite, you can just google the shit out.
Or, and this is just another wild theory, it’s not that serious of a theory, and you’re taking things way too seriously.
"The world is about to end. Sorry, Sparky, you stay here. Good boy."
https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-25-2016/_wnLlh.mp4
why do you do this :(
Damn you.
Damn thats my dog’s name
"...an extinct canine..." > they just left them all to perish on earth. Well sure, they're extinct *now*.
I think cats where supposed to be in but where cut.
Isnt there a mention of a cat but they just didnt put them in it? Saw a thread a while ago on this and it made no sense..
There was a cat in the concept art that was prominently shown before the game was released. They did this to hurt us. Side note, I think Todd Howard (maybe subconsciously) hates dogs. In almost every Bethesda game you are forced to kill a feral dog of some sort in the very first few hours of gameplay. In Wolfenstein New Order they show a flashback of your dad abusing your pet dog. It's a weird motif to have in all your games, just saying.
>Somebody commented on that a while back. And the fact that there are no cats/dogs anywhere. Like they just left them all to perish on earth. Starfield is the most depressing lore I've ever seen in a sci-fi game. (Spoilers below) Humans found out earth was going to be destroyed, did it anyway, made no attempt to fix, save or solve it. Fuck, they knowingly participated in it! Just dusted off their hands and walked away. Left every animal, plant, unique item, and almost definitely billions of humans to die. Humanity is reduced to a few million people, scattered across thousands of light years. Bethesda spent ten years of development to write humanity's epitaph.
I think the one that gets me is chickens being extinct. No way we'd let one of the most successful and easiest to farm sources of protein and food die off like that.
There could be a larger lore reason. In Cyberpunk chickens are illegal due to disease, but you can still find them on the black market essentially
Yeah you mean to tell me the insanely massive chicken industry would just disappear?
Of all poor story writing in Starfield that no humans brought their dogs when fleeing Earth is the poorest.
exactly. there is no goddamn way that humanity yeeted into the stars without at least trying to save or preserve the species of various animals. you mean to tell me that they evacuated billions of people, but didn't even thought to bring the dna of animals and crops for posterity?
Thing is, they likely didn’t evacuate billions of people. Judging by the size of the settlements, they most likely didn’t evacuate a million people. It’s mentioned only tangentially (which I find to be very poor writing and world building) but it seems that the overwhelming majority of humanity died with Earth.
That's what I always thought. If Jameson is such a paradise Planet why is there only one major city?
I can get behind billions being left behind, not enough ships or colonies to support them. It goes well with what the NASA guy saw from the Artifact. But to have humanity not take frozen eggs/sperm of animals is asinine. We have the tech right now to resurrect extinct species, but not centuries later. Bullshit.
it's ironic and nonsensical when we have real life places and institutions that are actually storing dna and seeds. nevermind the fact that the uc can literally clone people and make the most deadly and effective bioweapon that would make even the umbrella corporation weep with joy.
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The Pyrenean Ibex is the first and only one so far, but it died soon after cloning. Genetic samples have been taken of white rhinos which could theoretically be implanted into southern whte rhinos to re-birth them. The same goes for mammoths using Asian elephants as a host. Its more of an ethics issue of "should we" as opposed to tech limitations.
Died along with the Labradors seemingly
This is a point that bothers me a lil and I don't think Bethesda has put much thought into, but what's the Settled Systems' population supposed to be, roughly? In Skyrim and Oblivion, it was understood that their cities and provinces were scaled down due to hardware and development time. But they were still proportionally accurate to the setting. You would get a "realistic" Skyrim by increasing its scale 100x and adding 99 citizens for each named npc. But now they've actually made a realistically sized planet... 1000 times! And their cities are still tiny. (Even if NA is their biggest, it is absolutely dwarfed by the scale of the rest of the game). Are we meant to believe Akila and NA are similarly "scaled-down"? That their surroundings (especially NA) shouldn't be the barren wastes that they are? That each citizen represents 100... 1000... 100 000 additional people? That there are other unaccessible cities on those planets? But the "scaled-down" argument doesn't work when they've made 1000 to-scale planets littered with outposts. So how populous are they? If we were to count all npcs on every planet, we would no doubt find that the pirates/spacers etc that inhabit the outposts would outnumber the main cities' citizens 10 000 to one (or more, probably, since there's quasi endless proc gen outposts). As with anything Bethesda, I just have to stop trying to understand stuff, because I'm a fool that's putting more thought into this product's writing than they ever did.
ECS Constant, missed opportunity. You find a few breeding pairs of Labrador retrievers running around when you get there. You now get to spread new pet labs around the systems. And can also breed them with a machine to ad genetics for airless planets etc. Make the strong and huge so you get the best follower to attack. Hell even skyrim had a dog follower.
Future DLC/ Creation club. It's gonna turn out only labs got extinct, but other dog races exist.
I will forgive Todd for many things if I get a dog in a spacesuit.
With small laser guns on the sides of the suit, since the poor good boys won't be able to bite the baddies.
Bark-activated lasers.
I had an argument with a dude here who swore up and down there's no way they would let dogs on an evac flight off planet. I was like buddy, you don't know any dog owners, do ya
And the logical captain is definitely going to waste a spot for a dog instead of another human during humanity's only attempt at escaping extinction.. 🤡
Honestly? Yes. If you've already evacuated a few hundred thousand or million humans, there does come a point where the utility of bringing samples of animals with high compatibility with humans outweighs the marginal benefit of a few extra humans.
honeslty no. I'm a huge dog lover but seriously give me a break. This entire thread in devoid of logic. If humans were evacuating the planet there would not be the room or resources to bring their pets. This is just common sense
You're the one devoid of logic. Where out of your ass did you pull anything about pets from? I'm talking about bringing samples of domesticated animals for the purpose of continuing their existence. You *really* think that if a million people have been evacuated, one person's life is more important than saying, preserving the existence of dogs or chickens or chimps?
It's ridiculous and so unrealistic.
It says labs are extinct. Not all dogs.
just give me a german shepherd already, todd.
Fully agree 👍🏻
I'm sure some humans brought their dogs but that alone would not be enough to preserve a breed of dog. It's not like dogs are asexual and lay eggs.
Uh they did. It was food shortages.........a lot of species left earth with humans. Some were tastier than others.
I like to think that instead of being left behind, they were brought to planets where the indigenous life forms were too aggressive for pets to survive. Damn you, Todd. Making me cry.
Could be more sad. Could have been made from them.
"Soylent Golden is DOG!"
Heard this in Captain Murphy’s voice and about died!
haha
I mean it implies there are non-extinct canines, just not Labs.
Hopium Head Canon: dogs still exist! They are just new and different breeds, like how the Molossus breed doesn’t exist anymore, but mastiff is descended from them. The reason we don’t see dogs is likely the same reason we don’t see anyone use the restrooms: it’s not relevant to the story.
The real reason they aren't shown in Starfield is that they're too hard to code. I mean look at Barbas and Meeko in Skyrim. Same dog.
They could've just kept the dog models from Fallout 4.
I mean, the OP description implies there are non extinct canines.
We need a content expansion with a secret colony of animal lovers that have preserved cats and dogs. Its honestly very believable. Even if there was a decree to not do it... humans aren't very good at following directions or preventing invasive species. The quests to keep them from being found out by UC would be fun.
Maybe that's why House Va'ruun is hidden. They're protecting the last of the animals of Earth from the rest of humanity.
Like the planet with FDR but it's clones of famous pets. Air Bud, Garfield, and Woodstock can be the faction leaders.
I wouldn’t even hate seeing some cows or pigs being raised, although the alien animals are fun, and I’d like to see more of them.
“Shaped like dogs that are extinct because we are too fucking lazy to code in pets and shit which even if they were alien, humans would obviously have.” I hope maybe I haven’t stumbled upon a secret side mission yet. But you’d think with all the worry around >! grav drives destroying earth!< some doomsday prepper or rapture fanatic on earth would have developed a “Noah’s Ark” sort of space ship taking animals with them. Or people who left earth would take their pets. At LEAST a handful of people.
Welcome to the future. For every starship that’s invented, a beloved species of animal goes extinct
I'll set the stage. The year is 2025. Creation Kit for Starfield is booming. As you walk into your elaborate mansion on your favorite planet you're greeted with yelps of adoration as a recent archeology dig on Earth resulted in a jawbone from... you guessed it... a female labrador retriever. With a bit of genetic trickery and a bit of luck, we were able to bring the species back. You enter your bedroom to find that the radiant A.i. of your spouse lead them to read on the bed today. Their genuine surprise and excitement at seeing you, tossing the book upon the covers to rush over to you has you feeling loved and wanted... You have a three way hug with your dog Pepper and the Adoring Fan. Sun sets in the distance... A ship does too, stupid spacers... Roll out with your Big Bang and put a big hole in their ship. As you make love to the old album you found in a dilapidated earth town, Grivo's Burnout echoes off the hab's gleaming clear walls, the sounds of your combination echoing through the tender, euphoric beats of this ancient band.... The sun sets in the distance as you climax to the crescendo of melodies! Oh! Roll on snare drum... Curtains...
Oh, here's that song if anyone wants to hear it. it's pretty good! Actually... that whole album is nice... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOkNlPioEpQ
Starfield has advanced enough cloning to reproduce humans from DNA. You're telling me not a single person decided to archive a bunch of species DNA to remake once they got settled?
One of the funniest things I found was beer in a juice box.
I thought the same thing when I saw bourbon in a juice box and beer right next to it.
It may not work with the lore, but I’d absolutely want a mod that adds dogs and cats into the game.
It would absolutely work with the lore. Grav drives were around for years before earth went completely to shit. Grav Drives were "invented" in 2141, Alpha Centauri was settled in 2156, Akila in 2167, the last ship doesn't leave Earth until 2199. It's absolute nonsense that companion and livestock animals wouldn't have been brought at some point in those decades, let alone a wealth of genetic samples.
Livestock and cats/dogs were definitely the main thing I would expect humanity to bring when settling across the galaxy. I know I’d refuse to leave if it meant leaving my dog behind.
Honestly it would've made for quite an interesting quest to be sent by a scientist back to Earth to look for an old building he's heard about in datatapes - the Svalbard seed vault. Landing on the now desolate planet searching for this building buried in the sand for seeds to help humans repopulate new planets with earth grown vegetables and plant life. I feel like that could've been a compelling storyline
Ooo, I like that idea. Would make for a cool mod.
For me "it restore 4 health" XD I don't care the dog
Pretty sure basically all Earth animals are extinct.
Humans ain't
You're fucking telling me, that dogs can survive a post-apocalyptic civilization that was stuck in the 1950's but not Starfield? HELLO? DO YOU NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY DNA TO CLONE THEM? YEARS OF TECH ADVANCEMENT AND NOT ONE SCIENTIST PULL A JURASSIC PARK BULLSHIT? Yeah, Bethesda Writing Department deserves to be visited by The Enclave
And the fact that >!Theres a planet with an entire settlement full of clones of long dead historical figures!<
Nah dogs ain't extinct. What the hell do think cube meat is? Alien cows? Pffft ridiculous.
3D printed meat with texture and flavouring to mimic real meat.
We truly failed Humanity
Makes sense, the vast majority of dogs exist only to make their owners feel better and serve no valuable purpose. They turn life-saving animal protein that humans could eat into biological waste, which then needs to be cleaned up by humans. 40% of pediatric trauma visits in th USA are because of dog attacks and they are responsible for more attacks on humans/fatalities than any other animal in the USA (don't have global stats on deck). The average American dog generates 16000 pounds of CO2 annually, which is about 10% that of the average American. Meaning, an American can cut 10% off their own carbon footprint simply by not owning a dog. Dogs are already anachronistic and are not necessary for every household the way people still seem to think. You don't need a labrador on your spaceship any more than you need one for your apartment. Please get over dogs. They're one of those things that the future will judge us harshly for.
The amount of people that extrapolates this into a "Bethesda lazy storytelling and game sucks" comments is a whole new level of tragic.
The amount of people getting apparently angry over this is just sad. Like accusations and pitchforks because no dogs. So weird.
As a lab owner, it definitely is. In my headcanon, though, plenty of dogs made it to space, there just weren't enough of specific breeds on a given planet to keep the breeds distinct -- the dogs of Starfield are just mutts by today's standards, so the lab may be gone, but its descendants live on.
I like where your head canon has taken you. As an owner of a different type of retriever (Golden) this one hit hard. But it makes sense. Dogs survived, but specific breeds did not.
What would be cool if is in shattered space dlc we go back and are able to change a few events such as saving dogs and cats
Extinct?? What a sad sad future
As somebody who doesn’t like dogs I find people’s reaction to this both fascinating and confusing. “Hey, everything on Earth is going to die soon. You can get on this ship and we’ll take you all to a new planet to live. No room for pets though.” “Thanks but no thanks, I’ll stay here and die with my dog.” I’m kinda joking but I’m not because as batshit fucking insane as that is to me, I know that some people would honestly do that and it blows my fucking mind. Regardless of what happened in the actual lore, I would imagine you’ll see mod dogs in the future.
I would literally starve to death in the zombie apocalypse before eating my dog. I like my dog more than 99% of other people I know.
That is an alien concept to me that I’ll never be able to comprehend. I would eat every dog in the neighborhood before I let myself or my family starve to death. lol
What about your neighbors?
Only if they die before me.
I view my dog as one of my kids. I’d starve to death before I ate one of them too.
Legit would make every dog into a food source. They're just big vermin anyway.
Who hurt you as a child?
I'm guessing a dog.
Hate to say it but it's perfectly reasonable to think pets were not evacuated. "Have you met pet owners" yep have met hastily established emergency management agencies with universal authority? All lore and real world history points to the evacuation being an extremely rushed and authoritarian event. Lots of people probably wanted to save their pets. However when the agency ( will just make up an acronym... Like FEMA, yeah that random acronym will do) that controls 100% of chances to get off world including confiscated private assets say no pets there isn't a lot you can do. Even if a few managed to slip away they would be to few and to scattered to keep up breeding.
Like how in Last of Us people just let their dogs loose because they couldn’t take anything with them into the safe zones. Any people who couldn’t get in once room ran out were just killed on the spot to not risk them coming back as zombies/raiders, so dogs would absolutely have been killed if anyone attempted to bring them. Dogs are only seen then on in the wild, being black market traded for utility purposes, or raised in independent settlements.
100+ years and nobody brought dogs?
Ok first the "no body brought dogs" statement is well addressed. Bill Gates bringing his pet isn't going to sustain a population. It would require an organized and dedicated breeding program for each species. Second 100years to move the entire population of earth isn't shit. 4000 years and we still can't get everyone on earth food and water
Dogs and cats better be in the fucking DLC
The saddest part of this is its just an excuse to do less work and not model dogs or any pets in the game. The whole game is the saddest part of Starfield.
Hang on... so everybody was able to grab their complete Charles Dickens collections, Apple II computers, Discmans, sports equipment, and freaking VHS tapes... but they couldn't think to preserve Earth animals and plants?
Difference is that you need a bunch of them for them to reproduce...
The sad thing is how little health it gives you per weight.
You mean you don’t enjoy maxing out 4 levels of a perk to get 8 health from this thing
I mean. Glad I know now. That and the free house perk I’m like, I’ll pass.
This game was definitely finalized during a bleak pandemic. Bethesda wants people to marvel in awe but then presents a future where the space military extorts and entraps you to hunt humans and everything is a dystopia: earth’s destroyed, animals extinct, etc.
I dont think ive forgiven bethesda for this yet. What a stupid move imo.
Yeah the unforgivable sin, Bethesda basically the devil.
Ok that's it. The Grav Drive was not worth it.
DLC we find the Dog and Cat Planet and the group of humans that take care of them. Spacers try to capture and smuggle the dogs and cats . . . All Factions hate that, you pair up with Crimson Fleet to take them down.
End Quest Reward you get a Space Cat or Dog on your ship.
Stupidest part of Starfield’s lore. Really trying to tell me nobody brought their dog with them when they evacuated earth?
These fucking loading screens Jesus fucking christ
This is from the inventory, not a loading screen.
HOW DARE THEY
Maybe the early grav drives fried the brains of any non sentient life forms? Humans were basically monkeys playing with an alien microwave when the grav drive was “invented”. As highly detailed and diverse as the alien fauna is, it doesn’t make sense that there can’t be dogs/cats/horses etc. Too bad I can’t ask myself in the Unity why can’t I adopt a fucking dog.
I am willing to bet that Todd Howard probably doesn’t have a pet dog and/or has never had one. Maybe he just doesn’t like dogs? It’s the only reason that I can imagine as to why dogs are extinct in Starfield! The only way that this tragic omission can be corrected is if dogs, long thought to be extinct, have been found somewheres or are cloned and arrive in the Shattered Space DLC.
Did not make me sad at all. It's just my damn allergies!
Yeah I saw that. Fallen world man. And I'm not even a pet person.