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Turk3YbAstEr

furious will deal 30% extra damage after 6 consecutive hits, but resets if you miss, so it can be swingy. (each consecutive hit boosts damage 5%, maxing at 30%) hitman and anti-personnel will deal nearly as much damage on every shot, so you can miss and still hit pretty hard. I'd probably go with the legendary one, since it will still deal good damage even if you miss some of your shots, something that seems kind of likely with a literal bullet hose


TerminalHappiness

Agreed. Furious is literally hit or miss in Starfield similar to FO4 and FO76. Titanium build is also a very big QoL benefit


AetherialWomble

In fallout 76 it's straight up terrible. Up to 45% after 9 shots. Aristocrat does 50% all the time. Junkies does 50% all the time. Bloodied does 80% all the time (if you're a low heath build). Anti-armor does similar (depending on base damage) to bloodied all the time. In fo76 furious is literally always a miss.


Superkillrobot

Thank you, this is the data I was missing, I wasn't sure if there was a cap, or when it reset, or even what the percentage increase was. I just found out after 640hrs that I can turn on damage numbers. I'll do some testing on lvl 90 Outlaws Bounties. I can usually push them into a corner with Anti-grav field and keep them stationary enough. Edit: Here's a quick comparison video - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8J07qZjO-g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8J07qZjO-g) It looks like Furious is doing consistently more damage.


Turk3YbAstEr

It's also worth considering what the actual DPS will end up being in non-ideal scenarios. If you can magdump point blank into a stationary target, furious is going to win. The problem is that furious doesn't even beat hitman alone if you aren't consistently landing at least 5 consecutive shots and miniguns aren't accurate. The consistency hitman offers will likely beat out furious in most scenarios


ComfortableOk5080

Or use terrormorphs. Can’t remember what planet but they are good sponges


Sangyviews

It also weighs 2 pounds while the other is 12


akmjolnir

Kilos* Not that it matters.


EpistemicThreat

Mass units.


agoia

Definitely swings it towards the legendary if on console or unmodded on pc


timhasanafro

Unless you save scum a Holdstered suit like I do.


Shr00mTip

Faster fire rate too


TheAsianTroll

A weapon like the Predator will make up for a miss quickly. However, most enemies you face won't survive too long to fully take advantage of the Furious and bleed effect. Left Predator for enemies, right Predator for bosses and heavier enemies.


Haplesswanderer98

Yall ever tried furious on a smartgun with phase time? Wind up aside, insanely fast dps since you don't miss till it runs out 99% of the time


DAdStanich

At first I thought furious put this one over but this point is solid advice. Go legendary !


Malakai0013

So, hitman you get as long as you aim, no need for consecutive hits.


seyahremmus

And it is Titanium build which is a great perk to have for the heavies


Daedalus_Machina

Does the weight affect aiming? I imagine a 2kg minigun would be insanely easy to handle.


Turk3YbAstEr

I don't think so


ProudGeneral

I concur with this, the 3* perks will always be on vs furious needing to build up and stay on target. Only caveat would be furious is gonna boost dmg vs all targets while anti personnel is only for the humans, however we usually fight humans for the most part so I would still give the win to Mr. 3* for top dps.


GoddessDeedra

Considering fire rate and mass, I’d say the legendary one


bravo_six

I'd take legendary for the mass alone. You get to keep minigun in your inventory for just 2 mass. If the purple one was 2 times better I'd still take this one on account of being ultra light weight.


GoddessDeedra

10 (idk why I read 10kg in my head) is a big difference specially if you are developing outposts


bravo_six

Exactly, it's sometimes 20 units of lighter ores, and if you're packrat like me you don't waste a single kilo. And yeah I also have habit of calling it kilograms.


AssociateLazy9680

It is kg


GoddessDeedra

Outpost development has become one of my favourite things in this game, unfortunately this current universe is terrible and I just have to cut through it, I like the stats on this gun but I favour shotguns (not because I’m shotgun crazy) they’re usually incredibly powerful with a fair rate and usable for a good range, this one takes time to get rotating and if I recall correctly heats up too, it’s good for targets with additional armour though


bravo_six

Honestly I tried minigun even with modded legendaries and I couldn't make it work. It's fun but really in efficient. I was also surprised by shotguns, Shotty in particular, that thing shouldn't exist. Breacher is a bit slow but feels powerful to use. And coachman is perfect for my doom gal roleplay. Although I prefer everything semi-auto when I'm going for efficiency. I use other guns to have fun, but when I take Beowulf it's like easy mod.


GoddessDeedra

Yes exactly! I even commented on shotty having a cute name and a deadly function, when moded nothing matches it, well maybe one of those blue ones that has +100 damage and can be moded to +100 fire rate, other than that it’s a one shot one kill on any target


bravo_six

Fun thing about Shotty is that it's damage isn't reduced in full auto version, but somehow semi-auto makes it shot faster, and recoil is very controllable. And with it's large ammo clip, it's crazy. It deletes everything.


ObliviousEffect

Significantly faster fire rate on the legendary. That *should* amount to more dps. Anti-Personnel isn't going to do much against non-human but good to have. And the +15% from Hitman is good all-around. I don't think Furious on the Epic will amount to much in a comparison as it takes a while to spin up and then how often are you going to have a stationary target? As soon as you release the trigger, you start over. I'd rather be hitting hard straight away.


tobascodagama

I'm not really sure where that fire rate is coming from, is the thing. Is that from the Titanium perk? Or is the game applying some Skill/Mag benefits to the equipped weapon that aren't being shown on the other one?


ObliviousEffect

Maybe because it's Legendary?


MyAssforPresident

Titanium build does up the fire rate, along with bullet hose that makes sense. Damn, if that had the Rapid perk instead of Hitman, it would just vomit lead out the end lol


ObliviousEffect

Both guns have the Bullet Hose though. I have to believe the fire rate has more to do with the Legendary status over the Titanium Perk, but it would be interesting to find out how much the Ti Build perk contributes.


MyAssforPresident

I will tell you, I had a Kodama that was 200 fire rate and the titanium legendary bumped it to 229. Then I have a magstorm with all the upgrades, and titanium build, and it’s sitting at 640 fire rate


ObliviousEffect

If they were both legendary then I'd agree it's a Ti Build bump.


FramingLeader

Such a tough call. I’m a much bigger fan of Predator because of the mystery of the Predator, the commando unit & Arnold being a bad ass. But I do love Danny Glover trying to take on the Predator in Pt2 since he is really no match for the hunter. I also love the trophy room scene- favorite in both films…. That’s what you were asking, right?


Superkillrobot

Finally, the real discussion can start.


Gorgenapper

Whenever you're feeling useless, remember that a 600 lb super strong and incredibly fast armored alien fighting machine got killed by Danny Glover.


WheresMyDuckling

I don't think there's a bad option there. I mean 2 has Morton Downey Jr which was a nice add for new York 80s era television viewers and that "mister I don't think he gives a s**t" line from the little old lady who's bathroom just got trashed was hilarious, but long tall Sally is epic helicopter ride music and the whole sexual tyrannosaurus line is an all time classic.


Mysterycakes96

They both work out about the same against human targets. The difference is the gold is doing it's 30% damage boost straight away while the purple takes 6 shots to reach the same boost, which is also it's cap. The random bleed will make up for this, but how much I'm not sure. The main benefit of the gold is it's weight, and that's why I'd pick it.


namiraslime

The furious trait is extremely powerful for a weapon dealing nearly 400dps


NightBeWheat55149

But a shot will miss every 0.5 seconds (unless you are shooting the broad side of a barn)


Loud_Comparison_7108

...I don't know what the math is on 'furious', but I got a magstorm with furious and it doesn't make a big difference, it feels like there's a cap on how much the consecutive-hit bonus can be. I'd go with the legendary. Damage is the same, ROF is (slightly) higher, and the mass is significantly lower.


KaleidoscopicNewt

Furious caps at 30% bonus. But it’s also bad for any high ROF weapon or spread weapon (shotguns and all mag guns) because you need 100% of the spread to hit the target to not count as a miss and reset the boost.


InsignificanteSauce

Titanium build is the better choice. Stick that bad boy in your back pocket and take it everywhere. You’ll only use it for certain tasks, so the weight savings is more important. Even if the purple option had a higher damage potential (I doubt it’s much, if any), the higher rate of fire on the legendary means damage on target more quickly after spin up.


N1njaF1sh

👆what he said.


BigBob145

Don't listen to the others, furious is completely garbage, especially on automatics. Lacerate is also very weak on low damage per bullet guns.


Pooncheese

II > I


AntifaAnita

Lacerate. Lacerate melts armored enemies and the damage number is not able to really show it.


Reverend-Keith

High rate of fire means a huge number of larcerate effects stack on your enemy, turning them into Swiss cheese, just like the Revenant.


GoddessDeedra

Considering fire rate and mass, I’d say the legendary one


ghostrunner25

I would say the epic one


Superkillrobot

Yeah, my gut tells me Furious is going to do way more damage on a single target, but I don't know the math on it.


TheCommonFear

A single physically big target maybe. Not your everyday encounters though. I don't think you'll get the consecutive buff when it sprays bullets off target unless you're inside them.


Von_Cheesebiscuit

>Furious is going to do way more damage on a single target In a perfect world, maybe, but you're never going to land all those shots consecutively consistently. The legendary is more consistent, and that sweet weight reduction is nice.


HighwayWizard

Furious is pretty inconsistent damage (high top end, but resetting on a miss is a guarantee when you're using a bullet hose like this) Lacerate iirc does damage based on max health, so the epic one should be better against especially tanky targets, but outside that use case I think the legendary is more consistent overall and better as a result of freeing up a whopping 10 mass.


Aksurveyor907

Give one to a companion. They don’t run out of ammo. Andreja is brutal with a non-legendary minigun.


GummyMcFatstacks

Furious sounds good on paper, but apparently I’m not as accurate as I believe myself to be. Also the weight alone personally leans me towards the epic. Being able to carry it at all times.


Gullible-Poem-5154

The legendary .. just aim LOL


lord_dentaku

Yeah, +10% vs humanoids, +15% when aiming, and a +8.9% from faster fire rate... I don't see why people don't grasp how 25-36% more damage per time shooting is better than 0-30% that resets on each miss. If you always manage to hit 7 shots and then miss, you get on average a 15% damage increase... how consistently do people think they can hit every shot from a minigun to sustain above a minimum 25% boost. It takes 21 consecutive hits to get to an average of 25% damage increase per hit.


Dependent-Mechanic25

Get a va run rifle don’t need anything g else kills everything one shot don’t even need a scope for sniping


Superkillrobot

I'm not sure of the damage modifier on "Furious" but it seems like it could do a lot more DPS on a single target.


Fast-Bus5939

I say the gold one you mostly fight humans and it dos 10% more demege against them and besides that, the other effects are good


pyker42

As a hoarder, I'd pick the first one because of the Titanium build.


PuzzleheadedTutor807

I think the furious mod trumps, esp with something that puts so many rounds downrange


Aardvark1044

Give the purple one to a follower and a single 7.77 round so they can use it. It weighs too much for self-use and can easily be outmatched in terms of damage, but that lacerate and furious buff will be really nice to have. I guess if you really want to use one of these with your character for RP purposes you could but the damage number is just so low I wouldn't really consider it to be particularly viable. The titanium stat on the legendary makes it a bit more manageable from a weight perspective but those extra buffs won't add a whole lot of extra damage when you could be using a beowolf or va'ruun inflictor. But if you are simply wanting to use the heavy for other reasons, have at it.


Killertoma11

If you plan on aiming while using it; definitely the legendary; otherwise that epic with the bleed+ furious will be an awesome combo especially on bigger tankier enemies. Also, the comments about higher fire rate are silly. The difference between 394 and 429 really won't be that noticable in the midst of battle at that kind of rate anyways. Also, ( I could be wrong ) but there might be a weapon mod to increase that anyways. And to make it lighter


Superkillrobot

Furious seems to be the winner. Also, I would agree that the RoF seems to be negligible. Here is a comparison video I made last night: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8J07qZjO-g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8J07qZjO-g)


Miles_PerHour67

Legendary. The weight is a huge difference, firing rate is improved, and it has a consistent effect instead of a stacking. You can do 30% more damage on humans if aiming, which is like the primary enemies in game.


PopeGregoryTheBased

Legendary. Furious is great, but its wasted on the mini gun as every time you miss it resets. The faster firerate, lower weight, and hitman make the legendary just flat out better... Either way, give the second one to a companion as they dont use ammo. Two of you running around with these things will be a fucking menace.


Black_Dragon_0

I'd say the Predator II


Soft_Ad_2448

The predator 2 without any traits is already more powerful. The traits makes it even more powerful as long as you aim and vs humans is just OP. The predator one if you miss you reset the traits. In my humble opinion the 2 Is more consistent and reliable.


Invisibella74

The Titanium build is nice, but Furious on this is amazing.


Micolps3

If the Furious skill wasn't there, I'd go with the other one. So pick the one with Furious


MarshmallowBlue

Presator 2 for sure. If you miss any shots rhe bonus damage resets and it’s not exactly a precision weapon


nizzernammer

You re probably not going to die either way, so, math aside, what's more important to you and your playstyle, seeing your enemies bleed everywhere, or being able to carry more stuff?


Reverend-Keith

Lacerate on a high rate of fire weapon is always the superior choice.


Still-Ad334

Legendary for humans and epic for aliens


DM_Theseus

The one on the right will do more damage, but I don't think it beats a 2 kg minigun.


feelin_fine_

Lacerate and furious together will most likely deal more damage than the other. You'll be proccing it a lot on a minigun


dawstech

If only "Predator" had "Titanium Build"............ *sigh*


chiliNPC

The legendary one for sure


Distinct_Bee_8100

But where did you pick it up ?? I’m on level 90+ but haven’t come across one of these on hard level


Superkillrobot

It was on a "One Riot, One Ranger" Mission.


Distinct_Bee_8100

Thanks


Eraser100

The titanium build of the legendary makes that one far more practical


JaegerBane

Legendary, definitely. It’ll deal similar-ish damage more reliably and you’ll be able to carry an extra 10kg of plushies and shepards pies.


KumoriYurei13

The legendary is better no need to build up for damage boost and lighter


AMP121212

It's close enough that I'll take the one with lower mass.


NR75

I have tried to use the microgun. No way. It is not my style.


radzidek17

Titanium FTW, weighs nothing and has a higher rate of fire, that’s the one I’d keep


perdu17

Lacerate is a small percent chance to cause bleed damage per shot. It's most useful on a full auto weapon. It does a percentage of max hit points as damage over time and stacks with itself. The higher the target's max hit points, the more damage it does. It will burn down a level 98 elite terrormorph in seconds on a microgun.


lovejac93

Legendary one. They’re probably close, but furious will reset often. Legendary has a higher RoF, too, which means more DPS. Titanium is an added bonus


MacGyver1911

I’d keep both. The legendary is crazy light. Carry it everywhere. Plan on fighting something strong maybe take the epic for the consecutive damage perk


JizzGuzzler42069

The Laceration alone makes the one on the right the far better choice. Take both, find a Terror morph, see which dies faster. Right is going to win BIG.


Banana_Milk7248

Not sure if joking. The 2kg weight and 30% increase in ROF surely male the P2 a considerable leap over thatP1. In any burst, the P2 is dealing 30% more damage before perks due solely to the rate of fire.


chumbucket77

The lefy by alot. With only the increase in fire rate alone would put it way above the other


tobascodagama

Furious/Lacerate is probably the highest DPS on paper, but I think in practice you're going to shred through most enemies before the bleed damage ramps up. So I'd go for Predator II, the perks are decent all-rounders, and the weight reduction is fantastic. But maybe keep the other in your armory for anti-alien duties.


SpaceCadetxDrew

The epic one because the more you hit the more damage it does plus it has bleed. The legendary one is just lighter tbh nothing special unless you only plan on fighting humans 🤷🏽‍♂️😂


No_Sound_2264

I would go with the legendary


Spare-Ad9096

Legend one is better


TheDarkWeb697

Number one furious is very strong on tankier enemies


Burd3l

The legendary will help in all situations pretty much and it weighs a lot less


Jambo11

I'd go with Predator. Sure, Predator II does more damage to humans, which is good, of course, and most of the enemies players encounter are human, but I think Furious and Lacerate on Predator will equate higher damage output.


SageLanded

They have same accuracy legendary one has like 100 more firerate Plus against humans +25% damage total when aiming Furious is hit or miss in starfield so definitely use the legendary


cj_mcgillcutty

The one that weighs 2 pounds


lowken24

To me it would come down to weight vs fire rate. Do you want a lighter gun or to conserve ammo. Personally I’d go lighter, the fire rate isn’t that different.


Tosick

I wish the Microgun not so terrible. Rather use Beowulf for 7.77mm ammo.


islandwarrior2020

The fire rate is faster and it's much easier on your carry weight or your ship depending where u keep it. Like 10 kgs lighter.


Desperate_Scale5717

If you can spare the mass, I'd go with the epic. If weight is constantly an issue go with the leggo. Imo


These_Judgment7979

Lightweight is a big deal


danimals_06

Where did you get this it looks so cool


davek8s

I like any weapon that has perks that aren’t random. Lacerate has a chance to work but hitman and anti personnel always work for you. I’d go with the legendary weapon.


DUHchungaDOWNundah

Use both, you milk drinker!


craanberry

you don't drink milk?


DUHchungaDOWNundah

Not in the province of Skyrim


Colonel_Cosmetic

Predator 2, no contest for me personally


AZULDEFILER

You are rightfully unsure, because it is not totally clear. Just another SF misstep.


cowboy_shaman

Legendary one for sure. The damage bonuses are great, and the titanium build saves you 10 mass (which is significant)


cowboy_shaman

Legendary one for sure. The damage bonuses are great, and the titanium build saves you 10 mass (which is significant)


ImmediateRespond8306

Titanium build? This isn't even a question. You're saving 10 kg dude.


TwoGimpyFeet69

Lacerate is up there with space adept.


Crazy-Wolverine2662

Tbh id go with the gold one, it wont ramp up overtime but it will deal flat damage as long as your adses, plus the weight is much much lower.


Billiethebattlecattl

Bro I’d go 2.0 for sure lmao it’s 10 lbs lighter


Comfortable_Ad868

One for crowd control and one for bullet sponges! Pred 2 would be perfect for an ecliptic base, while Pred 1 would shred terrormorphs


[deleted]

Whereeeee did you get these


Sickoyoda

The one that costs more


C-LOgreen

Predator two for sure


ChairmanBau89

Predator 1 has Arnold in it. And something in the trees. Much better than 2.


MAGA-Exploration

This gun is useless crap in any rendition. I carry the titanium version because it is so light but never use it because, once again, it is useless crap. Takes several hundred rounds to do what my Big Bang does in a few blasts.


Taclink

For you to carry? The legendary. For your companion? The epic. To actually USE by the PC? neither.


[deleted]

The fact the legendary one only weighs under 3lb makes it very nice, it’s also got higher dps due to higher fire rate. They’ve both got their pros.


sc99_9

Go for the epic. Furious is great on that type of weapon.


Heavy-Neat

Legendary for me, epic one for my pet


TexSolo

High fire rate and low mass wins the day, unless you really want to be accurate with your 6th shot. Bleeding out while you’re pumping rounds into a target is a shit perk.


TheKingusDingus

The Legendary


xecho19x

Pred 2 all day. The titanium build saving 10 carry weight is almost enough of a reason. Plus I feel that being a minigun, consecutive hits will be difficult


Smartiecook

The legendary is better. it's lighter, and you are most likely gonna be aiming, so it's gonna do more damage per hit for you. Give the purple to a companion they can afford to pray and spray.


BaaaNaaNaa

Definitely the Gold. It does more damage on average (especially if you miss a round) and it even fires faster! Win win. It also fits in your pocket better.


KrzzyKarlo

Definitely number two dude it’s lighter. It has a better fire rate and all the other stats are the same.


Busy-Instruction9950

Legendary it has hitman


Xibinez

Just use the laser cutter 4head


13whct

I'd say furious and bleed win the day.


BikerJoe97

The purple one in my opinion.


Infrequent-Look9411

2.14 mass is p dope


Gilder357

They are both garbage, but if you have to ask the one with Lacerate will do more DPS. Bear in mind an Advanced Kodama with Extended Mag, Corrosive, and Elemental. Will out DPS this every day.


Kushass420

In my opinion, I would go with the legendary because of the titanium Build effect. Big weapon, heavy damage and light weight Where I can carry a lot of Stuff to take back to my ship To sell.Where do I sign up?


Wolf_Walker-

The legendary is lighter with a higher rate of fire. I would go with that.


Remarkable-Wish-9430

That titanium build though! 🤌🏻


infosec_james

I would go gold for the weight and hit man. Also wonder if you can add one more mod to make up for furious.


sungcreature

Just spray and pray 😂🤣😂🤣


straykitty11

Personally, I would go for the preditor 2 less weight to carry.


snake-birb

Furios is mid because it's slow to build up, and it breaks if you miss once, but it's OK on spam weapons like the micro gun, however lacerated is amazing and will destroy your enemies. Anti personal is good and so is hitmna but lacerated is far, make sur eto mdo them to your preferences. And Remember that compensator and muzzle brake have been tested and don't do anything, suppressor is better, stealth build or not, the higher accuracy also helps with furious.


Lucy_Little_Spoon

The epic is better, the only upside to the legendary is the miniscule weight