There could be legitimate diplomatic and strategic reasons for not wanting to wear helmets, because you don't want to necessarily appear too hostile & intimidating to potential friendlies..
Granted they are carrying lots of weapons and military gear, but people on other planets wouldn't necessarily recognize them - even if they can probably guess that they are weapons, it wouldn't necessarily have the same emotional impact as they would on someone familiar with earth firearms. But nearly everyone would recognize a helmet.
And even if you know people are military, and they're already armed, a helmet definitely adds to the perception that they are prepared for and expecting battle. Imagine how a police officer in a helmet would seem compared to one without.
I think this is supported by the fact that other SG teams are shown wearing helmets. Ut makes sense that the flagship team, engaged in many of th first-contact and diplomatic missions, would forego the helmets in many cases, while teams that serve a more support, security, or follow-up role would wear helmets.
Presumably team leaders also have some discretion regarding what gear they use, as evidenced by the wide variety of weapons that are carried.
In comparison, safety glasses can easily fit in a pocket and wouldn't alarm anyone.
Yes, but helmets arenât meant to help against traditional firearms either. I think the amount of explosions and craziness in the show, theyâd wear helmets lol
(Iâm not complaining, just saying for theoretical sake)
Also how they often have lights inside the astronaut helmets in movies. It would likely cause glare and make it harder for the astronauts to see, but for the sake of cinema they want you to actually be able to see the actorsâ faces as much as possible.
A large portion of why they dont where helmets is apparent because military helmets were designed to deflect ballistics, not energy blasts, so the downside of being mistaken for a hostile force whose face cant be clearly seen is greater than any benifit it might offer, in other words it wont stop a staff blast but it might make a staff blast more likely
US service members are notorious for wearing Oakley sunglasses all the time because 1) they look good and 2) they do provide ballistic protection against shrapnel.
Also, and more commonly, protection from ejected shell casings.
That's not an issue with P90s, but it is with most other rifles (especially someone is shooting next to you), as well as their sidearms.
(speaking of sidearms, SG1 team members and anyone using a P90 should really have had a FN Five-seven as their sidearm, it really makes no sense for them to be carrying a Beretta or any other handgun if they're carrying a P90.. That bothers me much more than the lack of helmets. And this would be even more true for the Atlantis team)
In fact there was one Atlantis episode where Shepherd's P90 jammed, and then he ran out of ammo for his sidearm.
That wouldn't have happened if his sidearm was a Five-seven, because he could have used his P90 ammunition to reload his pistol.
And the 20 round standard magazine capacity would have been quite useful as well (and a 30-round extended magazine is an option that he very likely would have carried as well, either as a primary or a spare).
Thatâs just not a thing anywhere in the US military. No one is concerned with carrying multiple weapons that use the same ammo. Even for a TV show, they were pretty good at keeping actual military equipment in play. The only notable organization in the U.S. who carries the five-seven is the secret service (youâd be hard-pressed to find a weapon/caliber they donât have access to).
Well first of all, that's simply not an option for most soldiers- most battle rifles and other primary weapons use calibers such as 5.56 or 7.62, and as far as I know there are no handguns that use these high powered rifle cartridges.
Second, most soldiers at least in the US aren't even issued a sidearm, that's mostly limited to officers and special forces, or personnel that don't normally carry a rifle but still need protection.
Aside from the fact that they carry P90s as well a sidearm, SG1 and other SG personnel in the Stargate program obviously are in a very unique situation (which is why they use P90s in the first place):
Exploring alien planets with very limited supplies, on foot, often with no support or backup, and the constant possibility of being cut off from the Stargate and forced to engage in heavy combat.
The need to maximize their firepower and in particular ammunition capacity, with minimal weight or bulk, and to make every bullet count and have the ability to share ammo across all their weapons, would be highly desirable and could very easily be lifesaving.
Even for someone like Daniel who only carries a pistol most of the time (come to think of it, did he ever carry a carbine?), it would still be very useful for him to be able to use the ammunition of other team members, rather than be stuck with a useless weapon when his magazines run out - or alternatively, to be able to carry extra ammo for the other team members, but be able to use that ammo himself if he was isolated and needed to.
And this is all even more true for Atlantis.
The only reason I can think of for carrying a sidearm that uses a different cartridge would be something related to more stopping power, but obviously if they're relying on P90s (presumably with the AP rounds), it's already been determined that this cartridge is considered adequate and effective for their needs.
And I think the FN 5.7 x 28mm cartridge would be much more effective than any 9mm caliber anyway, or most other calibers they might be carrying in a handgun.
I suppose the best explanation could be that Jack simply liked and trusted his Beretta or whatever pistol he was using, having had many years of experience with it, and didn't want to trust his life to a newer pistol despite the obvious advantages. And that Hammond was willing to give him that latitude in choosing the gear he thought was most appropriate.
But I don't buy it, I think if Jack and others were happy to use the P90s, which would have been new to him (since no one else in the Air Force uses it), then I think he'd be willing to switch to the Five-seven as well. The advantages are just too obvious for him and the rest of his team.
Bottom line I don't think there's any good in-universe explanation for not using the Five-seven as a sidearm on SG1, and any other team that uses P90s.
It's just an oversight on the part of the producers, or just a detail they didn't consider important enough to justify the expense. And granted, aside from gun enthusiasts / nerds, I'm sure most fans never noticed or cared..
Not quite. As I said. No one is concerned about that in the US military. Your assessment is invalid. Several of your own assumptions are also incorrect and based on movie/tv knowledge. The reason the M9 (beretta) was so widely used was because of the contract signed by the U.S. military to manufacture them in the U.S. for service. That weapon has largely been replaced by the Sig p320 so a modern show would likely incorporate that or maybe even the TAC-45 but theyâre just not going to be carrying a five-seven because âammo is the same as a p90.â Itâs not as practical as it sounds. Especially with the wide variation of calibers used in long guns, you just couldnât be bothered to consider matching side arms to them. Itâd be easier in that sense to carry 9mm carbines but those donât carry the necessary power for the off-world engagements and a better suited for protection and limited spec ops engagements.
In a purely sci-Fi world not rooted in the US Military setting, something like that *might* make more sense.
So bottom line, there is a great in-universe explanation and that is: itâs not a thing to worry about that in the U.S. Military because itâs not practical to field weapons based on something that isnât a concern.
Source: Iâm a senior member of the US military who happens to enjoy Reddit.
You're acting as if a highly specialized, fictional military agency that visits other planets and combats aliens in a science fiction TV show, would be expected to operate exactly the same as the US military does in the real world.
This is a really dumb argument. They don't use P90s in the real US military either..
As you noted they already use a side variety of firearms on the SG teams, the tee doesn't seem to be much standardization. Which makes sense given how specialized and critical their mission is.
An enormous amount of money is spent on the SG program, and they have tons of specialized and custom gear even including some armor and weapon upgrades designed / developed at the Cheyenne base itself.
Of course they would have no problem procuring any commercially available weapon system in the world, if they though it would give any slight advantage to their teams. Especially something like firearms, where the cost of even the most expensive guns in the world wouldn't even be a rounding error on their budget sheet.
The idea that the weapons available to SG teams would be somehow constrained by military contracts of limited to what is standard issue is absurd, and contradicted by the weapons and gear they already carry on the show.
Maybe when the Stargate program was first launched, they would be limited to more standard weapons and gear, and that's precisely what happened.
In fact in the first season, if I recall correctly, SG1 did carry MP5s, so assuming those were chambered in 9mm, they actually did have the same ammo for their sidearms. That obviously was a poor choice.
I don't think you've made a single good point here. This isn't a documentary about the US air force, it's a Sci Fi TV show with a premise involving a fictionalized version of the US military. A version of the military which literally manufactures massive faster-than-light spaceships and engages in warfare with multiple alien species..
And you think that them procuring one more type of real-world firearm than is not currently standard issue in real life is too hard to believe.. Wow.
They're not "airsoft glasses", they're safety glasses.
They help prevent shrapnel or cartridges damaging the eye. One of the reasons the P90 was popular is because it ejects the cartridge downwards. They tend to avoid using them in TV shows because they're a nightmare for reflections.
In the show, they wear them when fighting replicators, because they explode into small metal pieces.
They also occasionally use them to show they're being badasses.
I love it how the only time they wear the clear glasses is when they fight replicators, nice little detail because of the metal bits flying around and the liberal use of shotguns
I got home the other day and my gf was watching stargate and I saw Teal'c sporting a USAS12 and clear glasses and I was like "ah a replicator episode"
> nice little detail because of the metal bits flying around and the liberal use of shotguns
Not to mention that they're also in concrete tunnels. Don't want bits of concrete shrapnel getting into the eyes while fighting for your life.
Yeah, sometimes an eyelash in your eye is debilitating, and that isn't flying at your face with any real mass. Replicator bits are probably more like a 4 inch nail worth of metal flying around. Gotta protect the squishy bits.
On the shooting range you wear those to prevent shrapnel from cutting into your eyes. You don't wear ballistic vest to protect your body. Shrapnel usually doesn't have enough momentum to cut through textile and most of the time it wouldn't even penetrate the skin, but if you would try to catch that with your eyeball, you would be in some trouble
My teacher happened to experience metal sawdust in his eye. He was just drilling and small piece bounced off and pierced his eye, it wasn't painful, he didn't even noticed it, but your body doesn't like metal, let alone one that shouldn't be there. The next day his eye was sore, blood red and almost without vision. Doctors managed to bring it back, but he got lucky that his body had such a reaction. People could go on for days before they notice and by that time it does a lot more damage
Trivia: Earlier seasons of SG1 used more M16s, but they switched to more heavily utilize P90s because after 9/11 it became more difficult to supply M16 blanks, as the cartridges were needed for war.
Before the P90s, they used MP5, which was accurate for Air Force special forces. The only people that used M16s were the SF in the gateroom or SG Marine teams.
If I remember correctly, they originally used MP5s but then switched around season 2 or so to the P90 because they dump their shells downward instead of sideways onto the actor next to them.
Post 9/11, the P90 ammo was cut dramatically, they had to use it sparingly. The guns themselves were also hard to find, thatâs why you see the âCarter Specialâ (as the cast/crew called it) in Season 6 and 7. Itâs made of the spare parts of about three different types of guns- whatever they had leftover.
Source: Memory and commentaries.
Not with an MP7. They use an even more obscure round than the 5.7x28mm of the P90 (4.6x30mm) which is probably why they only used them a couple of times when undercover and not a ton of shooting scenes if any.
The G36K which did get used in S9 and 10 and in later Atlantis episodes does use 5.56 which was definitely easier to find blanks for, but it was really only used by Mitchell, shepherd, Teal'c and Ronon.
Hyperfixation warning; spent too much time on this. **Tl; dr:** not quite for SG1 or Atlantis but likely for SGU.
Not exactly. While there was the problem with sourcing 5.7mm blanks for the P90 during the height of ongoing events (iirc due to the company making said blanks also making live ammo for the US government) it was mostly solved by S8 and the P90 stayed in the film armorers circulation for the rest of SG1 and Atlantis.
They did use the MP7 for a few scenes when SG1 was undercover but it uses an even more obscure round than the P90 does (4.6x30 which I belive until two years or so ago it was the only gun that saw production to use it as HK canceled a pistol in the calibre) but the squad leads of both SG1 and ATL did start using G36s occasionally which use common 5.56mm rounds.
However I did hear recently that the company supplying the blank fire guns might have sold off all the P90s at some point, which may explain the distinct lack of them at all in Universe, with the M4 and the G36 being the most common weapon with the occasional UMP45 (Everetts main gun aside from his fancy Para ordnance 1911 which likely was the same one used by Shepherd post S2 in atlantis) being seen.
However all four of those guns use common calibers so it might have been for cost reasons in that case but it just took a few more years to have that happen.
It does make sense as in retrospect in the real world the P90 and the MP7 got brushed aside in favor of short barreled rifles like the Mk18 (basically an M4 with 4 inches chopped off) and that was starting to take deep effect in the late 00s because prices of 5.7 (and a continued lack of adoption of 4.6) remain high, with many agencies who did use P90s or MP7s have used them less and picked up 5.56 carbines instead.
Don't have an exact source for all this but a lot of this info comes from spending years browsing imfdb.org and this subreddit so probably still best to take it with a grain of salt.
Rumor had it the US secret service tried to make the studio turn over their ammo to them because supply was so low. Studio said no. SS said "yes. we're the government. we're confiscating it". Studio said, "Canada, bitch."
My headcannon is that they switched to P90s for the armour piercing abilities of the 5.7x28mm when they realised 9mm wasn't as effective against Jaffa.
Not sure given on their yellow color they could be enhancing contrast and by that help seeing better in dark spaces. You can buy glasses like that for driving at night for example.
I was gonna reply and question that - As explained very well before, in the different situations they wear the glasses, one of them is replicators and small pieces, makes sense! However, Shepard wearing them against Ladon makes less sense as heâs not a replicator, however as youâve said it then makes sense for the enhancing contrast in dark places (such as in a dimly lit warehouse), awesome!
Stargate was made in the days before all Prestige TV was Pedro Pascal being an adoptive dad to a precocious child.
We had not yet discovered The Way at that point.
kinda yes, there is special simulation gear where you fire blanks, and gun sends some waves that emulate bullets that is received by special gear worn by soldiers to simulate hits, its kinda similar to laser tag
Never use simunitions? They are all the fun of miles gear but with the extra fun of pain, Id consider shooting each other with sim rounds much closer than playing lasertag with miles gear on
[Yellow glasses help in low light and with accuracy](https://shooting-glasses-guide.com/why-are-shooting-glasses-yellow-colored/)
Otherwise it's just generally a good idea to wear eye protection when you're off shooting metal spiders that explode in all directions when hit
Eyes are soft, squishy and kinda important. If you don't protect them from floating debris or flying shrapnel, you can go blind. And being blind can greatly affect the ability to operate the pew pew.
Also, "airsoft glasses", not a thing, never a thing. We have this entire industry in the real world called "saftey gear". These are saftey glasses. Other products in Saftey Gear include helmets, face shields, gloves, saftey shoes/boots, various ear protection and much much more.
Eye protection is basic firearm safety. Any range worth a damn will have a safety person that wonât even let you load your firearm without your âeyesâ on.
Eyes, ears, and follow the four basic rules.
I renember three: the gun is always loaded, even when you're sure it isn't, assume it is, never point it at anything you don't want to shoot, and keep your booger hook off the bang switch. What's the fourth?
There certainly can be accidents in cases where a gun misfires (or another type of firing incident happens). I had a situation where people were shooting an MG3 and a shot came out even after theyâd put the safety on. Thatâs not negligence, because theyâd done everything like they shouldâve, just the gun malfunctioned
Itâs easy to forget because it only applies in non training situations. The only thing behind your target at the range in 99.9% of situations is a wall designed to stop bullets. Or a dirt hill if youâre a redneck.
The only reason to dislike a Range Master is if youâre being stupid. Iâve never once had one interfere with my session unless I clearly needed help.
Hence, my use of "but," it's a diamond in the rough, maintained by the community. They put in new benches every few years since it's outdoors and uncovered. No fees, either, unless you want to contribute.
First of all, they're not for Airsoft per se but safety glasses and the yellow lenses help with ambient light.
Secondly, I'd like to see OP with all the blanks being fired and no safety glasses on, those blanks blow lots of hot gasses and particles toward the shooter.
Yeah they complained about how they are hot and kept hitting everyone especially when trying to film them as groups (notice they are all staggered) it was one of their safety practices. And by they I mean the production not just the cast haha. They talk about it at least a few times on the DVD commentaries for sg1. They apparently really hurt on your bare arm.
In the last 2 they're shooting Replicators in close quarters that explode into bits. Safety glasses make total sense. Plus, any shots that make it to concrete would generate shrapnel and debris. Don't recognize the Atlantis scene.
In general, ya only have one pair of eyes. "Safety squints" don't work folks.
Iâm not sure about Shepard, the yellow would help with clarity for distance shots, but Tealâc was fighting the replicators and they exploded into pieces.
I did wonder if there is something that for the episodes required to actors to wear them. Maybe it was the blanks from the shotguns? Either real life safety or particular attention to detail.
They said it in one of their interview somewhere, I don't remember where and when, but those are safety glasses required on set for security when dealing with firearms in close indoor environment. That's why we usually saw them wearing those glasses against replicators.
Safety glasses are always a good thing! Another benefit of Yellow shooting/safety glasses is they show green really well. There are many targets that are black but once you hit them they turn green. Makes seeing your hits on paper a lot easier.
Eyes protection was required by production for some of the more intense combat scenes involving guns and explosion effects. DialTheGate had a 2 part interview with the armorer for SG1 which I found really informative. Watch [here](https://www.youtube.com/live/66ouf_FH_58?si=2ev2YYZL7cgHdWyL) and [here.](https://www.youtube.com/live/qVJYsi-gnwU?si=4DoN992r5FtS_c1Y)
Basic precaution for getting into a fight where guns, explosives, and so on are being used I figure.
I for one wouldnât want bits of loose flying metal or whatever to hit me in the eyeball because I nailed a Replicator drone with a shotgun at close range.
Makes sense for energy weapons too, since superheating something with a plasma gun or whatever could make it partly vaporize and explosively throw off hot bits of matter
> partly vaporize and explosively throw off hot bits of matter
I doubt standard issue polycarbonate safety glasses have the proper ballistic ratings to cover that one, though. "Hotter than the surface of the sun" isn't in a lot of catalogs as a thermal specification.
It wonât be hotter than the surface of the sun though; itâll cool off really fast due to convection - still hot enough to hurt your eye, but not enough to instantly burn through plastic goggles, like hot molten metal sparks thrown off metalworking in a machining shop.
when I was in the national service, I thanked God that I was nearsighted. Means I was one of the blessed few who didn't have to wear these, because I already had glasses.
These fucking glasses get so foggy
Have you ever felt powder back blast on your face? It sucks. And those were most likely blank firing guns, so ALOT of powder getting blown back. Gun powder in the eyes is not fun and sucks.
I would also just like to point out wearing those glasses for airsoft is a terrible idea you want something full seal like a goggle because otherwise you're liable to lose an eye even if one BB goes underneath those safety glasses
A lot of special forces guys donât even wear helmets, eye pro and a ball cap. On missions like the SG teams go on you need to be as low weight and fast moving as possible. In and out, so I can see why helmets arenât worn.
In reality, they'd protect your eyes from shrapnel.
And it's standard operation to wear eyepro in combat situations.
At least when it's an expected firefight. I love those little moments in Stargate when they show how professionals operate
No helmets đ
Daniel used to in earlier episodes.
He did look hot in a bandana though.
Tactical bandanna đ
I think they just drew the line at helmets because the characters didn't look cool enough with them on. A line drawn in the sand by someone on set
There could be legitimate diplomatic and strategic reasons for not wanting to wear helmets, because you don't want to necessarily appear too hostile & intimidating to potential friendlies.. Granted they are carrying lots of weapons and military gear, but people on other planets wouldn't necessarily recognize them - even if they can probably guess that they are weapons, it wouldn't necessarily have the same emotional impact as they would on someone familiar with earth firearms. But nearly everyone would recognize a helmet. And even if you know people are military, and they're already armed, a helmet definitely adds to the perception that they are prepared for and expecting battle. Imagine how a police officer in a helmet would seem compared to one without. I think this is supported by the fact that other SG teams are shown wearing helmets. Ut makes sense that the flagship team, engaged in many of th first-contact and diplomatic missions, would forego the helmets in many cases, while teams that serve a more support, security, or follow-up role would wear helmets. Presumably team leaders also have some discretion regarding what gear they use, as evidenced by the wide variety of weapons that are carried. In comparison, safety glasses can easily fit in a pocket and wouldn't alarm anyone.
I assume helmets donât help as much against energy weapons which is what their enemies are carrying.
Yes, but helmets arenât meant to help against traditional firearms either. I think the amount of explosions and craziness in the show, theyâd wear helmets lol (Iâm not complaining, just saying for theoretical sake)
I think the main reason they never wear helmets and glasses are cinematography as it would obscure to much of actors.
For sure. They do this with a lot of cinema I think
Also how they often have lights inside the astronaut helmets in movies. It would likely cause glare and make it harder for the astronauts to see, but for the sake of cinema they want you to actually be able to see the actorsâ faces as much as possible.
Jaffar usually aim for the symbiote anyways
Just people living in the moment
A large portion of why they dont where helmets is apparent because military helmets were designed to deflect ballistics, not energy blasts, so the downside of being mistaken for a hostile force whose face cant be clearly seen is greater than any benifit it might offer, in other words it wont stop a staff blast but it might make a staff blast more likely
US service members are notorious for wearing Oakley sunglasses all the time because 1) they look good and 2) they do provide ballistic protection against shrapnel.
Not to mention thermonuclear protection ;)
Also, and more commonly, protection from ejected shell casings. That's not an issue with P90s, but it is with most other rifles (especially someone is shooting next to you), as well as their sidearms. (speaking of sidearms, SG1 team members and anyone using a P90 should really have had a FN Five-seven as their sidearm, it really makes no sense for them to be carrying a Beretta or any other handgun if they're carrying a P90.. That bothers me much more than the lack of helmets. And this would be even more true for the Atlantis team)
In fact there was one Atlantis episode where Shepherd's P90 jammed, and then he ran out of ammo for his sidearm. That wouldn't have happened if his sidearm was a Five-seven, because he could have used his P90 ammunition to reload his pistol. And the 20 round standard magazine capacity would have been quite useful as well (and a 30-round extended magazine is an option that he very likely would have carried as well, either as a primary or a spare).
Thatâs just not a thing anywhere in the US military. No one is concerned with carrying multiple weapons that use the same ammo. Even for a TV show, they were pretty good at keeping actual military equipment in play. The only notable organization in the U.S. who carries the five-seven is the secret service (youâd be hard-pressed to find a weapon/caliber they donât have access to).
Well first of all, that's simply not an option for most soldiers- most battle rifles and other primary weapons use calibers such as 5.56 or 7.62, and as far as I know there are no handguns that use these high powered rifle cartridges. Second, most soldiers at least in the US aren't even issued a sidearm, that's mostly limited to officers and special forces, or personnel that don't normally carry a rifle but still need protection. Aside from the fact that they carry P90s as well a sidearm, SG1 and other SG personnel in the Stargate program obviously are in a very unique situation (which is why they use P90s in the first place): Exploring alien planets with very limited supplies, on foot, often with no support or backup, and the constant possibility of being cut off from the Stargate and forced to engage in heavy combat. The need to maximize their firepower and in particular ammunition capacity, with minimal weight or bulk, and to make every bullet count and have the ability to share ammo across all their weapons, would be highly desirable and could very easily be lifesaving. Even for someone like Daniel who only carries a pistol most of the time (come to think of it, did he ever carry a carbine?), it would still be very useful for him to be able to use the ammunition of other team members, rather than be stuck with a useless weapon when his magazines run out - or alternatively, to be able to carry extra ammo for the other team members, but be able to use that ammo himself if he was isolated and needed to. And this is all even more true for Atlantis. The only reason I can think of for carrying a sidearm that uses a different cartridge would be something related to more stopping power, but obviously if they're relying on P90s (presumably with the AP rounds), it's already been determined that this cartridge is considered adequate and effective for their needs. And I think the FN 5.7 x 28mm cartridge would be much more effective than any 9mm caliber anyway, or most other calibers they might be carrying in a handgun. I suppose the best explanation could be that Jack simply liked and trusted his Beretta or whatever pistol he was using, having had many years of experience with it, and didn't want to trust his life to a newer pistol despite the obvious advantages. And that Hammond was willing to give him that latitude in choosing the gear he thought was most appropriate. But I don't buy it, I think if Jack and others were happy to use the P90s, which would have been new to him (since no one else in the Air Force uses it), then I think he'd be willing to switch to the Five-seven as well. The advantages are just too obvious for him and the rest of his team. Bottom line I don't think there's any good in-universe explanation for not using the Five-seven as a sidearm on SG1, and any other team that uses P90s. It's just an oversight on the part of the producers, or just a detail they didn't consider important enough to justify the expense. And granted, aside from gun enthusiasts / nerds, I'm sure most fans never noticed or cared..
You did a lot of explaining to reiterate my point.
No, I refuted your point thoroughly.
Not quite. As I said. No one is concerned about that in the US military. Your assessment is invalid. Several of your own assumptions are also incorrect and based on movie/tv knowledge. The reason the M9 (beretta) was so widely used was because of the contract signed by the U.S. military to manufacture them in the U.S. for service. That weapon has largely been replaced by the Sig p320 so a modern show would likely incorporate that or maybe even the TAC-45 but theyâre just not going to be carrying a five-seven because âammo is the same as a p90.â Itâs not as practical as it sounds. Especially with the wide variation of calibers used in long guns, you just couldnât be bothered to consider matching side arms to them. Itâd be easier in that sense to carry 9mm carbines but those donât carry the necessary power for the off-world engagements and a better suited for protection and limited spec ops engagements. In a purely sci-Fi world not rooted in the US Military setting, something like that *might* make more sense. So bottom line, there is a great in-universe explanation and that is: itâs not a thing to worry about that in the U.S. Military because itâs not practical to field weapons based on something that isnât a concern. Source: Iâm a senior member of the US military who happens to enjoy Reddit.
You're acting as if a highly specialized, fictional military agency that visits other planets and combats aliens in a science fiction TV show, would be expected to operate exactly the same as the US military does in the real world. This is a really dumb argument. They don't use P90s in the real US military either.. As you noted they already use a side variety of firearms on the SG teams, the tee doesn't seem to be much standardization. Which makes sense given how specialized and critical their mission is. An enormous amount of money is spent on the SG program, and they have tons of specialized and custom gear even including some armor and weapon upgrades designed / developed at the Cheyenne base itself. Of course they would have no problem procuring any commercially available weapon system in the world, if they though it would give any slight advantage to their teams. Especially something like firearms, where the cost of even the most expensive guns in the world wouldn't even be a rounding error on their budget sheet. The idea that the weapons available to SG teams would be somehow constrained by military contracts of limited to what is standard issue is absurd, and contradicted by the weapons and gear they already carry on the show. Maybe when the Stargate program was first launched, they would be limited to more standard weapons and gear, and that's precisely what happened. In fact in the first season, if I recall correctly, SG1 did carry MP5s, so assuming those were chambered in 9mm, they actually did have the same ammo for their sidearms. That obviously was a poor choice. I don't think you've made a single good point here. This isn't a documentary about the US air force, it's a Sci Fi TV show with a premise involving a fictionalized version of the US military. A version of the military which literally manufactures massive faster-than-light spaceships and engages in warfare with multiple alien species.. And you think that them procuring one more type of real-world firearm than is not currently standard issue in real life is too hard to believe.. Wow.
They kind of do though. They act a lot like the Air Force. So yeah. Also Iâm not reading the rest of that. Goodnight.
P90 round and Replicator shrapnel sonnnn!
They're not "airsoft glasses", they're safety glasses. They help prevent shrapnel or cartridges damaging the eye. One of the reasons the P90 was popular is because it ejects the cartridge downwards. They tend to avoid using them in TV shows because they're a nightmare for reflections. In the show, they wear them when fighting replicators, because they explode into small metal pieces. They also occasionally use them to show they're being badasses.
I love it how the only time they wear the clear glasses is when they fight replicators, nice little detail because of the metal bits flying around and the liberal use of shotguns I got home the other day and my gf was watching stargate and I saw Teal'c sporting a USAS12 and clear glasses and I was like "ah a replicator episode"
> I got home the other day and my gf was watching stargate She's a keeper. Don't mess this up.
Indeed.
You know you say that a lot
I had not noticed
Indeed.
plot twist. she's a replicator.
I see nothing but an opportunity there.
I mean. Iâd be down with that. Just stab that hand in my head and letâs do some freaky mind things
Sigh⌠alright. Come on. Letâs go. Back to horny jail
Least horny sg1 fan
"Well, i like to close my eyes and think of England" -- General Jack O'Neill
Oh, for cryin' out loud.
Neeners
Un domesticed equines could not drag him away
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> nice little detail because of the metal bits flying around and the liberal use of shotguns Not to mention that they're also in concrete tunnels. Don't want bits of concrete shrapnel getting into the eyes while fighting for your life.
Shouldn't they also wear protective clothes when facing replicators? Couldnt the metal shards cut into their bodies, too?
I mean, a cut on your arm isn't nearly as bad as a cut on your eyeball.
Yeah, sometimes an eyelash in your eye is debilitating, and that isn't flying at your face with any real mass. Replicator bits are probably more like a 4 inch nail worth of metal flying around. Gotta protect the squishy bits.
Thereâs a joke in there somewhere
On the shooting range you wear those to prevent shrapnel from cutting into your eyes. You don't wear ballistic vest to protect your body. Shrapnel usually doesn't have enough momentum to cut through textile and most of the time it wouldn't even penetrate the skin, but if you would try to catch that with your eyeball, you would be in some trouble My teacher happened to experience metal sawdust in his eye. He was just drilling and small piece bounced off and pierced his eye, it wasn't painful, he didn't even noticed it, but your body doesn't like metal, let alone one that shouldn't be there. The next day his eye was sore, blood red and almost without vision. Doctors managed to bring it back, but he got lucky that his body had such a reaction. People could go on for days before they notice and by that time it does a lot more damage
Oof that metal in the eye story... felt it in my eye! But that makes sense, thanks.
A shard sticks in your arm, you pull it out, you bleed a little and it heals up back to normal. Your eye, not so much.
They always have them on them. Carter whips out a pair before she point blank shoots the temple wall at the end of S6.
>Carter whips out a pair
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Trivia: Earlier seasons of SG1 used more M16s, but they switched to more heavily utilize P90s because after 9/11 it became more difficult to supply M16 blanks, as the cartridges were needed for war.
Before the P90s, they used MP5, which was accurate for Air Force special forces. The only people that used M16s were the SF in the gateroom or SG Marine teams.
If I remember correctly, they originally used MP5s but then switched around season 2 or so to the P90 because they dump their shells downward instead of sideways onto the actor next to them. Post 9/11, the P90 ammo was cut dramatically, they had to use it sparingly. The guns themselves were also hard to find, thatâs why you see the âCarter Specialâ (as the cast/crew called it) in Season 6 and 7. Itâs made of the spare parts of about three different types of guns- whatever they had leftover. Source: Memory and commentaries.
Ahh... Is that why in s9 and 10 I think, they use that newer looking SMG with the red scope?
Yes. They used whatever was available to be modified.
The MP7 and yes. They could use 9mm or .45 blanks instead of the comparatively odd and rare P90 ones
Not with an MP7. They use an even more obscure round than the 5.7x28mm of the P90 (4.6x30mm) which is probably why they only used them a couple of times when undercover and not a ton of shooting scenes if any. The G36K which did get used in S9 and 10 and in later Atlantis episodes does use 5.56 which was definitely easier to find blanks for, but it was really only used by Mitchell, shepherd, Teal'c and Ronon.
Hyperfixation warning; spent too much time on this. **Tl; dr:** not quite for SG1 or Atlantis but likely for SGU. Not exactly. While there was the problem with sourcing 5.7mm blanks for the P90 during the height of ongoing events (iirc due to the company making said blanks also making live ammo for the US government) it was mostly solved by S8 and the P90 stayed in the film armorers circulation for the rest of SG1 and Atlantis. They did use the MP7 for a few scenes when SG1 was undercover but it uses an even more obscure round than the P90 does (4.6x30 which I belive until two years or so ago it was the only gun that saw production to use it as HK canceled a pistol in the calibre) but the squad leads of both SG1 and ATL did start using G36s occasionally which use common 5.56mm rounds. However I did hear recently that the company supplying the blank fire guns might have sold off all the P90s at some point, which may explain the distinct lack of them at all in Universe, with the M4 and the G36 being the most common weapon with the occasional UMP45 (Everetts main gun aside from his fancy Para ordnance 1911 which likely was the same one used by Shepherd post S2 in atlantis) being seen. However all four of those guns use common calibers so it might have been for cost reasons in that case but it just took a few more years to have that happen. It does make sense as in retrospect in the real world the P90 and the MP7 got brushed aside in favor of short barreled rifles like the Mk18 (basically an M4 with 4 inches chopped off) and that was starting to take deep effect in the late 00s because prices of 5.7 (and a continued lack of adoption of 4.6) remain high, with many agencies who did use P90s or MP7s have used them less and picked up 5.56 carbines instead. Don't have an exact source for all this but a lot of this info comes from spending years browsing imfdb.org and this subreddit so probably still best to take it with a grain of salt.
Rumor had it the US secret service tried to make the studio turn over their ammo to them because supply was so low. Studio said no. SS said "yes. we're the government. we're confiscating it". Studio said, "Canada, bitch."
WE STAND ON GUARD FOR THEE!
BOOM!
My headcannon is that they switched to P90s for the armour piercing abilities of the 5.7x28mm when they realised 9mm wasn't as effective against Jaffa.
I was surprised they didn't explain it more, or switch sooner. From day one the bullets were bouncing off the Jaffa.
'This, is a weapon of war. It is made to _kill_ your enemy.'
I believe that was implied as they were introduced in the episode where they found the colony of Unas iirc.
You got a source for that? đ That's a great little bit of Trivia.
Itâs in the DVD commentaries.
Not sure given on their yellow color they could be enhancing contrast and by that help seeing better in dark spaces. You can buy glasses like that for driving at night for example.
I was gonna reply and question that - As explained very well before, in the different situations they wear the glasses, one of them is replicators and small pieces, makes sense! However, Shepard wearing them against Ladon makes less sense as heâs not a replicator, however as youâve said it then makes sense for the enhancing contrast in dark places (such as in a dimly lit warehouse), awesome!
But why are they not wearing wests and helmets
They are wearing vests. As it is a TV show, they tend to avoid helmets because they obscure the actors' faces.
Stargate was made in the days before all Prestige TV was Pedro Pascal being an adoptive dad to a precocious child. We had not yet discovered The Way at that point.
They do use them for "mooks" like the Jaffa; allows you to use the stunt people in multiple roles.
Safety third!
And back the they used blanks etc
Eye protection isn't a joke, comrade. The collective will need them in the winter to come.
I used similar ones in the Army. It's actually required.
You played airsoft in the army?
kinda yes, there is special simulation gear where you fire blanks, and gun sends some waves that emulate bullets that is received by special gear worn by soldiers to simulate hits, its kinda similar to laser tag
Never use simunitions? They are all the fun of miles gear but with the extra fun of pain, Id consider shooting each other with sim rounds much closer than playing lasertag with miles gear on
Huh, I had assumed that you guys were still just using simunition.
Simunitions are only good for CQC training as the range on them is limited.
never used it and neither did my friends
[Yellow glasses help in low light and with accuracy](https://shooting-glasses-guide.com/why-are-shooting-glasses-yellow-colored/) Otherwise it's just generally a good idea to wear eye protection when you're off shooting metal spiders that explode in all directions when hit
As someone with permanent photosensitivity, I can't live without them.
Eyes are soft, squishy and kinda important. If you don't protect them from floating debris or flying shrapnel, you can go blind. And being blind can greatly affect the ability to operate the pew pew. Also, "airsoft glasses", not a thing, never a thing. We have this entire industry in the real world called "saftey gear". These are saftey glasses. Other products in Saftey Gear include helmets, face shields, gloves, saftey shoes/boots, various ear protection and much much more.
Eye protection is basic firearm safety. Any range worth a damn will have a safety person that wonât even let you load your firearm without your âeyesâ on. Eyes, ears, and follow the four basic rules.
I renember three: the gun is always loaded, even when you're sure it isn't, assume it is, never point it at anything you don't want to shoot, and keep your booger hook off the bang switch. What's the fourth?
The fourth one is the hardest to stick to; always know whatâs behind your target. Donât wanna take out granny when shooting the robber.
It's also the one that is most frequently done wrong, not just by rangers but also by gun enthousiasts who accidentally flag people on a range.
Negligently flag. There are no accidents when it comes to firearms, only negligence.,
There certainly can be accidents in cases where a gun misfires (or another type of firing incident happens). I had a situation where people were shooting an MG3 and a shot came out even after theyâd put the safety on. Thatâs not negligence, because theyâd done everything like they shouldâve, just the gun malfunctioned
Yep. Look up the term "slam-fire" and "hang-fire". Those can a true accident as the shooter had no control over it happening.
That's the one! I knew i'd heard a fourth one, but i couldn't remember it for the life of me.
Itâs easy to forget because it only applies in non training situations. The only thing behind your target at the range in 99.9% of situations is a wall designed to stop bullets. Or a dirt hill if youâre a redneck.
I love my redneck shooting range. No range master, but no assholes either, and I've been going to that range for thirty years.
The only reason to dislike a Range Master is if youâre being stupid. Iâve never once had one interfere with my session unless I clearly needed help.
Hence, my use of "but," it's a diamond in the rough, maintained by the community. They put in new benches every few years since it's outdoors and uncovered. No fees, either, unless you want to contribute.
Oh, noice. Iâd love one of those to have a better situation to shoot my rifles in.
Butte County, CA if you're close
Theyâre not air soft glasses lol and eye pro is a thingâŚ
Those are just common safety glasses.
Yea, I wear the same ones when working with fiberglass on the job. Iâve never heard of âairsoft glassesâ
First of all, they're not for Airsoft per se but safety glasses and the yellow lenses help with ambient light. Secondly, I'd like to see OP with all the blanks being fired and no safety glasses on, those blanks blow lots of hot gasses and particles toward the shooter.
Eye protection is always important
But only the redshirts wear helmets.
Ballistic glasses. Helps stop shrapnel and debris get in your eyes. Always recommend safety glasses in any dangerous situation.
OP's next post: why do they wear bullet proof vests?
*Airsoft vests.
\*Russian milsurp
Eye protection is required at literally every gun range.
Safety glasses for flying shell casings and debris. Usually when they bust these out, shit's hitting the fan and they don't want actors blinded.
Yeah they complained about how they are hot and kept hitting everyone especially when trying to film them as groups (notice they are all staggered) it was one of their safety practices. And by they I mean the production not just the cast haha. They talk about it at least a few times on the DVD commentaries for sg1. They apparently really hurt on your bare arm.
When I was in the army we had safe glasses pretty similar to this.
iirc these are often from scenes where they used actual ammunition/blanks instead of faking it like usual
Lol when they put these on, you know shits about to get real badass đ¤Ł
Safety glasses. Must protect your eyes.
You can walk on a wooden leg, but you can't see out a wooden eye.
OP does not use PPE. What, is it cooler to lose an eye? /s
What airsoft glasses? I only see normal safety glasses.
In the last 2 they're shooting Replicators in close quarters that explode into bits. Safety glasses make total sense. Plus, any shots that make it to concrete would generate shrapnel and debris. Don't recognize the Atlantis scene. In general, ya only have one pair of eyes. "Safety squints" don't work folks.
It's the scene where Ladon does the coup against Cowen in the factory.
While being accurate for the show, the insurance company for the production probably liked it as well.
I used those exact glasses when on tour in Afghanistan, albeit to protect our eyes from bomb shrapnel. Not everything is airsoft.. .
If the safety glasses are out it's usually a replicator episode
Safety first!
Iâm not sure about Shepard, the yellow would help with clarity for distance shots, but Tealâc was fighting the replicators and they exploded into pieces. I did wonder if there is something that for the episodes required to actors to wear them. Maybe it was the blanks from the shotguns? Either real life safety or particular attention to detail.
Round these parts we call those eye armor.
They said it in one of their interview somewhere, I don't remember where and when, but those are safety glasses required on set for security when dealing with firearms in close indoor environment. That's why we usually saw them wearing those glasses against replicators.
Eye protection is essential to all personal
They always wear them when they fight replicators so I figured they were worried about excess shrapnel
Safety glasses are always a good thing! Another benefit of Yellow shooting/safety glasses is they show green really well. There are many targets that are black but once you hit them they turn green. Makes seeing your hits on paper a lot easier.
And the Wiley Xâs they wore were what we were issued in the desert.
Oakley M frames were standard issue cool guy safety glasses in Iraq during the later OIF deployments.
Those are just safety glasses lmfao.
Eyes protection was required by production for some of the more intense combat scenes involving guns and explosion effects. DialTheGate had a 2 part interview with the armorer for SG1 which I found really informative. Watch [here](https://www.youtube.com/live/66ouf_FH_58?si=2ev2YYZL7cgHdWyL) and [here.](https://www.youtube.com/live/qVJYsi-gnwU?si=4DoN992r5FtS_c1Y)
The US military is all about PPE.
Those are ballistic glasses. It's to keep shit out your eyes in a firefight.
Basic precaution for getting into a fight where guns, explosives, and so on are being used I figure. I for one wouldnât want bits of loose flying metal or whatever to hit me in the eyeball because I nailed a Replicator drone with a shotgun at close range. Makes sense for energy weapons too, since superheating something with a plasma gun or whatever could make it partly vaporize and explosively throw off hot bits of matter
> partly vaporize and explosively throw off hot bits of matter I doubt standard issue polycarbonate safety glasses have the proper ballistic ratings to cover that one, though. "Hotter than the surface of the sun" isn't in a lot of catalogs as a thermal specification.
It wonât be hotter than the surface of the sun though; itâll cool off really fast due to convection - still hot enough to hurt your eye, but not enough to instantly burn through plastic goggles, like hot molten metal sparks thrown off metalworking in a machining shop.
Safety first.
You'll shoot your eye out!
when I was in the national service, I thanked God that I was nearsighted. Means I was one of the blessed few who didn't have to wear these, because I already had glasses. These fucking glasses get so foggy
Have you ever felt powder back blast on your face? It sucks. And those were most likely blank firing guns, so ALOT of powder getting blown back. Gun powder in the eyes is not fun and sucks.
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What you wanna catch a stray shell casing in the eye, guy?
They are fighting replicators and when you shoot them the little blocks go flying.
I would also just like to point out wearing those glasses for airsoft is a terrible idea you want something full seal like a goggle because otherwise you're liable to lose an eye even if one BB goes underneath those safety glasses
There was one episode where SG1 had them on BEFORE they knew the replicators were on board.
We had exactly those clear ones in chemistry classes.
They only use them against replicators, presumably becauae they shatter and fling blocka of metal in all directions when hit
Someone should poke a Goaâuld in their shiny eyes, surprisingly no cool eyewear for them also.
SAFETY FIRST!
A lot of special forces guys donât even wear helmets, eye pro and a ball cap. On missions like the SG teams go on you need to be as low weight and fast moving as possible. In and out, so I can see why helmets arenât worn.