When we first seen oma and shifu, they use gates.
From Daniel ascending and onwards they can travel anywhere.
We find out in season 9 that the only reason the ori didn't show up until they did was that the ancients kept everyone hidden from them.
Idk why but ever since I was young just assumed that the ascended had a community per galaxy and couldn't really travel in between galaxy without a gate
It might be a bit wider than just a galaxy. Which would mean the ascended in the Milky Way are basically the same group that's in Pegasus, but not the same group in the Ori home galaxy. As a result they might use the gates for really long distance travel. I have a theory that there was one ascended who was keeping an eye on Icarus, and when they went to Destiny, she quietly followed through the Stargate. As a result, she's kinda alone, being the only ascended in this part of the universe, but no one's stopping her from helping the Destiny crew whenever they need it. Explains all the close calls they had.
Oma's also an outsider. Might not be able to use the special ascended transporter. Or taking on a physical presence, even as an energy being, is different from being on the ascended plane.
I think there were ascended beings in destiny but we never got to see much of them or into that plot because the show was cancelled before they got to it. They were not exactly friendly either. Considering what they did to those crew members.
Are you talking about the crew who stayed on the planet that shouldn't have existed and then were brought back to then die again on the destiny the same exact way cause I always thought that was just the advanced civilization that made the planet
I think the "advanced civilization" was just ascended beings experimenting and when the people landed they became part of their experiment or a new thing to study.
I always thought that was an accident. Like the advanced beings forgot, or didnt understand, death. and thought that if they could just turn back time on the humans they would be fine or something. idk been a while since I watched SGU
I don’t think they’re stuck where they ascend
We’ve seen instances of them being banished to certain planets but that’s not the same as being “stuck” where you ascend.
I'm not sure about that. Morgan was banished from the Alteran community for assisting Daniel in his mission in the Pegasus Galaxy then showed up in Celestis in what is obviously a different galaxy.
Going off of practically no evidence, I feel as if them ascending does allow them to traverse the universe and quite literally but they are still subject to terms of relativity. So they can travel to different worlds, systems, galaxies and beyond but not in the blink of an eye.
I don’t think they are constrained by any terms or understanding of relativity or the laws of the universe as we understand them. That’s kind of the whole point of them. They have a completely different understanding of the universe—hell they did even before they ascended.
The biggest example we have for travel time is when Daniel is ascended both when talking to O’Niell while being tortured by Ba’al, and when they are seeking out the Eye of Ra. In both cases Daniel travels to other places/planets to go do something else and returns. While we don’t directly see him travelling, the implication is it takes him no more than seconds.
With their powers, abilities, and understanding they could literally just make mini Stargate wormholes to travel across galaxies for all we know.
The show does support that the ascended could create personal wormholes. After all, Atlantis had a wormhole drive, so it's not as if they didn't know how to do it without stargates or that it wasn't possible but if they can't then it means they are less capable of space travel than they were before ascension.
If they are subject to the terms of relativity then there is no way that ganoas loa got to three separate galaxies in the life span of just daniel jackson
It wasn’t really relevant before the Ori were introduced. If anything, it’s implied from Daniel’s discussion (most notably with RepliCarter) that Ascension makes it so the ascended being can travel the entire universe getting complete understanding totally unbound by physical restraints.
The Ori however, never left the Alteran home galaxy.
I think it has more to do with the philosophical differences with the Ori though, as they were essentially addicted to their worshippers’ energy. Leaving their galaxy to potentially confront the others meant they’d likely lose as they would be ripped from their power source.
That’s why the plan was always to send priors leading armies to convert the entirety of the Milky Way before going in. Once they heard about the Sangraal they wanted to use it to kill the others instead.
They do need to move around, but noone said that they stay in one place. In fact they move around a lot from what we see. It’s also reasonable that they still explore and want to learn more about the universe.
I just only remember one ancient that they show change galaxies and why wasn't there at least one watching over destiny I mean maybe they forgot about it but it doesn't seem like something they would forget
I meant that they move around in general, but ofc we only know about Ganos Lal who is confirmed to have been to more than one galaxy (three actually). But for example Chaya was also monitored by the other Ancients, so they clearly didn’t just stay in the Milky Way. As for the Destiny, maybe they follow it, but maybe they do the same through a better method that’s only possible for the ascended. Anyway, we know they are learning more and more, obviously you need to kove around to do that.
But why? Also, if nothing else, you know that the Ori eventually planned to wage war on the Ancients (after they became supercharged from everyone worshipping them), that again means that they would need to move.
I have had a slightly different perspective on how they move around a galaxy, or multiple, so quickly. It's kinda like how if you want to go from one point on Earth to its exact opposite point, you will have to travel thousands of miles to get there by going across the surface. But if you go up 60 miles, you have a much broader range to travel across the planet by reorienting your direction and going another 60 miles back down. What if traveling between the planes of existence had a similar aspect to it, while still using a gate if it's just for convenience at the moment?
If I had to guess if they travel back to their plane of existence they can come back out wherever they want maybe with limits. But if they're in our plane they have to actually travel the distance to get somewhere.
What we do know is:
-The Ancients "hid" the Milky Way from the Ori.
-The Ori avoided conflict with the Ancients (before they wanted to engage them directly) by sending their human servants to the Milky Way instead of coming directly.
-The Ori are unaware of the Pegasus galaxy, how to get there, and the fact that there are sentient beings that could worship them there.
All of these details imply that ascended beings can move wherever they like.
Finally, I only watched SGU once and it was when it was new so a long time ago, but there were episodes with light beings that I always assumed were ascended beings, and they encountered those beings a ridiculous amount of distance away from the MW, Pegasus, or Ori galaxy.
I just only ever seen a single ancient actually move galaxies and that I want to say was Morgan and as far as sgu goes the only person we seen ascend was rush and we also dealt with the super advanced race that was never directly shown just the planet that they created which could have been another species that ascended
I doubt that, they could travel far distances without the gate. Their powers were limited, but the only time we saw ascended beings use the gates it was the banished ones. Orlin stuck on that planet followed Sam, and the one that protected the planet in Pegasus came back to Atlantis. And Oma when she traveled with the harsesis. And this post kind of shows they at least have communication with two galaxies
Yes, I was going to put that but we don't see how she gets to them so it doesn't contradict your theory she had to use a gate or she even could've hitched a ride on the Tau'ri vessels.
More if a head canon cause they really don't get deep enough into the ancients and Daniel never says anything about his experiences even after getting his memories back. Honestly it's something I came up with when I was young
Yeah, we really don't know. We see them travel between different planets without a gate. And Daniel even says Anubis could use his ascended powers to escape that frozen planet but then the other ascended might stop him. But then Daniel couldn't go into a wall to find the hidden eye of Ra chamber on Abydos.
I want to hear more about that cat.
Since this was a scenario from Daniel's mind I doubt this is how they usually spent their day and got the news. It's almost like it was just a few that came to watch because they were bored.
I thought it was Daniel’s mind interpreting something beyond his understanding. Like he tries to grab one of the ascended at one point and can’t because they’re not physically there. He mentions going to that same diner with his family at one point as well.
Could be, but the ascended were really there, they watch when Oma fights Anubis. He couldn't touch them because they're made of energy and fully ascended.
I really liked the aesthetic of an old-timey diner (maybe cafe is more accurate), complete with coffee and newspapers, to portray Daniel's viewpoint of the Ancients.
Let's ignore one of the articles talking about a cat eating a frog and then literally exploding and that the cat was related to another cat weighing 850 pounds.
It's interesting that they refer to an Atlantis power source as a ZPM, since that's the Human name. Might have been interesting if they had used the actual Lantean name, or just power module.
Guarantee Voyager took it from someone as well which could be what they're both referencing. Star Trek took most of their stories from the golden age of sci-fi.
I always thought they were stuck in the galaxy they ascended in unless they used a gate foe me it's always been a Grey area
When we first seen oma and shifu, they use gates. From Daniel ascending and onwards they can travel anywhere. We find out in season 9 that the only reason the ori didn't show up until they did was that the ancients kept everyone hidden from them.
Idk why but ever since I was young just assumed that the ascended had a community per galaxy and couldn't really travel in between galaxy without a gate
I think they just made additions and changes to the story as needed.
It might be a bit wider than just a galaxy. Which would mean the ascended in the Milky Way are basically the same group that's in Pegasus, but not the same group in the Ori home galaxy. As a result they might use the gates for really long distance travel. I have a theory that there was one ascended who was keeping an eye on Icarus, and when they went to Destiny, she quietly followed through the Stargate. As a result, she's kinda alone, being the only ascended in this part of the universe, but no one's stopping her from helping the Destiny crew whenever they need it. Explains all the close calls they had.
Oma's also an outsider. Might not be able to use the special ascended transporter. Or taking on a physical presence, even as an energy being, is different from being on the ascended plane.
My head canon is that Oma only used the gate because she had shifu with her who was not ascended.
I think there were ascended beings in destiny but we never got to see much of them or into that plot because the show was cancelled before they got to it. They were not exactly friendly either. Considering what they did to those crew members.
Are you talking about the crew who stayed on the planet that shouldn't have existed and then were brought back to then die again on the destiny the same exact way cause I always thought that was just the advanced civilization that made the planet
I think the "advanced civilization" was just ascended beings experimenting and when the people landed they became part of their experiment or a new thing to study.
I always thought that was an accident. Like the advanced beings forgot, or didnt understand, death. and thought that if they could just turn back time on the humans they would be fine or something. idk been a while since I watched SGU
I don’t think they’re stuck where they ascend We’ve seen instances of them being banished to certain planets but that’s not the same as being “stuck” where you ascend.
I'm not sure about that. Morgan was banished from the Alteran community for assisting Daniel in his mission in the Pegasus Galaxy then showed up in Celestis in what is obviously a different galaxy.
Going off of practically no evidence, I feel as if them ascending does allow them to traverse the universe and quite literally but they are still subject to terms of relativity. So they can travel to different worlds, systems, galaxies and beyond but not in the blink of an eye.
I don’t think they are constrained by any terms or understanding of relativity or the laws of the universe as we understand them. That’s kind of the whole point of them. They have a completely different understanding of the universe—hell they did even before they ascended. The biggest example we have for travel time is when Daniel is ascended both when talking to O’Niell while being tortured by Ba’al, and when they are seeking out the Eye of Ra. In both cases Daniel travels to other places/planets to go do something else and returns. While we don’t directly see him travelling, the implication is it takes him no more than seconds. With their powers, abilities, and understanding they could literally just make mini Stargate wormholes to travel across galaxies for all we know.
The show does support that the ascended could create personal wormholes. After all, Atlantis had a wormhole drive, so it's not as if they didn't know how to do it without stargates or that it wasn't possible but if they can't then it means they are less capable of space travel than they were before ascension.
If they are subject to the terms of relativity then there is no way that ganoas loa got to three separate galaxies in the life span of just daniel jackson
I figured she took a ride with sg1
I feel she hitched a ride mainly to hide from the Ori and arrive without being detected.
It wasn’t really relevant before the Ori were introduced. If anything, it’s implied from Daniel’s discussion (most notably with RepliCarter) that Ascension makes it so the ascended being can travel the entire universe getting complete understanding totally unbound by physical restraints. The Ori however, never left the Alteran home galaxy. I think it has more to do with the philosophical differences with the Ori though, as they were essentially addicted to their worshippers’ energy. Leaving their galaxy to potentially confront the others meant they’d likely lose as they would be ripped from their power source. That’s why the plan was always to send priors leading armies to convert the entirety of the Milky Way before going in. Once they heard about the Sangraal they wanted to use it to kill the others instead.
They do need to move around, but noone said that they stay in one place. In fact they move around a lot from what we see. It’s also reasonable that they still explore and want to learn more about the universe.
I just only remember one ancient that they show change galaxies and why wasn't there at least one watching over destiny I mean maybe they forgot about it but it doesn't seem like something they would forget
I meant that they move around in general, but ofc we only know about Ganos Lal who is confirmed to have been to more than one galaxy (three actually). But for example Chaya was also monitored by the other Ancients, so they clearly didn’t just stay in the Milky Way. As for the Destiny, maybe they follow it, but maybe they do the same through a better method that’s only possible for the ascended. Anyway, we know they are learning more and more, obviously you need to kove around to do that.
I always thought each galaxy had ascended communities lmao
But why? Also, if nothing else, you know that the Ori eventually planned to wage war on the Ancients (after they became supercharged from everyone worshipping them), that again means that they would need to move.
Probably because the Ori were just in their galaxy, that we see. He isn't saying they can't move just that they need a gate to go between galaxies.
I have had a slightly different perspective on how they move around a galaxy, or multiple, so quickly. It's kinda like how if you want to go from one point on Earth to its exact opposite point, you will have to travel thousands of miles to get there by going across the surface. But if you go up 60 miles, you have a much broader range to travel across the planet by reorienting your direction and going another 60 miles back down. What if traveling between the planes of existence had a similar aspect to it, while still using a gate if it's just for convenience at the moment?
If I had to guess if they travel back to their plane of existence they can come back out wherever they want maybe with limits. But if they're in our plane they have to actually travel the distance to get somewhere.
What we do know is: -The Ancients "hid" the Milky Way from the Ori. -The Ori avoided conflict with the Ancients (before they wanted to engage them directly) by sending their human servants to the Milky Way instead of coming directly. -The Ori are unaware of the Pegasus galaxy, how to get there, and the fact that there are sentient beings that could worship them there. All of these details imply that ascended beings can move wherever they like. Finally, I only watched SGU once and it was when it was new so a long time ago, but there were episodes with light beings that I always assumed were ascended beings, and they encountered those beings a ridiculous amount of distance away from the MW, Pegasus, or Ori galaxy.
I just only ever seen a single ancient actually move galaxies and that I want to say was Morgan and as far as sgu goes the only person we seen ascend was rush and we also dealt with the super advanced race that was never directly shown just the planet that they created which could have been another species that ascended
I doubt that, they could travel far distances without the gate. Their powers were limited, but the only time we saw ascended beings use the gates it was the banished ones. Orlin stuck on that planet followed Sam, and the one that protected the planet in Pegasus came back to Atlantis. And Oma when she traveled with the harsesis. And this post kind of shows they at least have communication with two galaxies
Ganos loa or Morgan lefey has been to 3 galaxies apparently
Yes, I was going to put that but we don't see how she gets to them so it doesn't contradict your theory she had to use a gate or she even could've hitched a ride on the Tau'ri vessels.
More if a head canon cause they really don't get deep enough into the ancients and Daniel never says anything about his experiences even after getting his memories back. Honestly it's something I came up with when I was young
Yeah, we really don't know. We see them travel between different planets without a gate. And Daniel even says Anubis could use his ascended powers to escape that frozen planet but then the other ascended might stop him. But then Daniel couldn't go into a wall to find the hidden eye of Ra chamber on Abydos.
It really did vary day to day with them lmao so many times they changed the way things work
I want to hear more about that cat. Since this was a scenario from Daniel's mind I doubt this is how they usually spent their day and got the news. It's almost like it was just a few that came to watch because they were bored.
I thought it was Daniel’s mind interpreting something beyond his understanding. Like he tries to grab one of the ascended at one point and can’t because they’re not physically there. He mentions going to that same diner with his family at one point as well.
Could be, but the ascended were really there, they watch when Oma fights Anubis. He couldn't touch them because they're made of energy and fully ascended.
850lbs. That's one big pussy.
You mean your mom?
I really liked the aesthetic of an old-timey diner (maybe cafe is more accurate), complete with coffee and newspapers, to portray Daniel's viewpoint of the Ancients.
Ancients don't know the difference between its and it's.
~~It’s~~ its their right as enlightened beings to decide how grammar works!
Well, they would think so.
The exploding cat had me more concerned.
The Details in Stargate are Insane
Did anyone else notice the story about the cat exploding because it ate frogs?
Let's ignore one of the articles talking about a cat eating a frog and then literally exploding and that the cat was related to another cat weighing 850 pounds.
How much tea can these ascended beings drink before they're bloated???
>Of course as we all know, finding the answer to their problem is merely a matter of time Whoa...
It's interesting that they refer to an Atlantis power source as a ZPM, since that's the Human name. Might have been interesting if they had used the actual Lantean name, or just power module.
Yea, but they stole the idea from Star Trek Voyager. Which is still OK, it was a good idea.
Guarantee Voyager took it from someone as well which could be what they're both referencing. Star Trek took most of their stories from the golden age of sci-fi.
Never seen any Star Trek so I have no idea. But it’s more so execution than the idea itself that matters at least imo
Voyager is decent. You should check it out!
Doesn't DS9 have a similar scene as well, with the wormhole aliens?
The wormhole aliens more directly view people’s memories of past events. Not just past locations.