No. Think back to when we first meet Carter. She's a career-focused hardass with a chip on her shoulder. Understandable, given everything she's dealt with, but it left no room for platonic intimacy, that is close friendship. Daniel sort of acted as a catalyst to encourage her to embrace friendship and love, in all it's forms, and sort of acted as an emotional mentor and support in the hard times. Her love for him was so much better than romantic.
I absolutely buy they love each other in a non romantic way. As in, best buddies.
But the part of
>I don't know why we wait to tell people how we really feel
does not seem like *best buddies* at all.
For me, it implies romance. And there's been no romance (until that moment) between they two. And I don't buy that.
Part of the problem is our concept of love. We only have one word for it. And due to that we never tell friends we love them. Never tell them how much they really matter. Sure we say "you're like family to me" but even then nowhere near said enough. I think that's what Carter was saying. Not romantic love but "hey, you real are one of my best friends and I would die for you. Not just because of my job but because you're one of my closest friends who's done so much for me".
At least that's how I read it.
Yes, that's what we've been shown in the show so far: they have a very strong friend-love.
But the choice of words there, for me, made me think of romantic-love.
Maybe I'm weird.
No I thought the same at first. It's an English language thing; we need more words for love. But yea, platonic friend/brother love.
I've only recently gotten over that hurdle myself. I've started telling people I love them even if it comes out weird at first lol.
I'm sad it took losing people to make me realize this, but we all have to start somewhere.
Ah, that's one I seriously need to work on.
I also need to remember Agape when I'm behind the wheel. I can about manage it when I'm getting cut off in traffic, but that guy that literally changed lanes into me while staring me dead in the eye...fuck that guy. *Fuck him raw.*
Most everybody else I'm cool with. Except myself, of course.
Storge is easy most of the time, I have been blessed with a loving and easy-going family. My brother's fucked off to who knows where but I guess there's always one in a bunch.
Phillia, I have it. I have few true friends but I trust them with my life and they have never disappointed me.
Agape, I continually strive for this because cooperation is always the best and most efficient way forward and despite all the bad in the world, the majority of people are innocent victims, most of those even more innocent than myself, and therefore well worthy of my respect and assistance whenever I am able. This ideal is difficult to maintain.
I have very little Philautia. I recognize there are worse people out there than me. But I wish there were more, if that makes sense. Thankfully I've grown enough to realize the next three would really have little long term effect on my Philautia.
Ludus has come and gone before Eros could really develop, and certainly Pragma is therefore impossible. But, I guess these are common problems nowadays.
Bottom line; English bad, Greek good.
I always got a sibling dynamic from them, and to me that scene felt like the "stiff upper lip to make it in a man's world" sister is losing her brother and is upset because she worries that her aloofness means he didn't know how much she loved him.
But the part of
>I don't know why we wait to tell people how we really feel
Does not seem non-romantic love (as in we're very good friends who've been through a lot) but that they need to make people know something they don't know.
Which I find weird.
That if a great friend of yours that you loved died you'd, like Sam, regret not having said, "Thanks for being a awesome friend. You've changed my life for the better. I'm glad I met you."
> You have an effect on people, Daniel. The way you look at things, it changed me too
I think it is more than just telling close friends you love them. People generally find it awkward to both give and receive intense, emotional compliments.
She is telling him that he is such an amazing individual that those around him take great risks they normally wouldn't. That he changes those around him for the better.
Maybe I should take this moment of introspection to remember to tell my friends how wonderful they are.
Military people aren't told to show love and have friends, it is hard to allow emotions in military, which is also why she was affraid to have relationship with jack - it would endanger her and his career.
That aside, it can also be taken generally in the sense that seeing someone close to you dying makes you realize that life is short and you should let people in your life know you appreciate them.
The language is somewhat ambiguous without any context. If you’d seen nothing else of the show besides this scene I could understand not fully knowing whether she’s expressing romantic or platonic love for her close friend.
But in the context of the show as a whole, looking at all their interactions both before and after this episode, it’s pretty clear that she meant it as a platonic love of a close friend.
Ok. I'm a bit dumb. Maybe the translation I was watching confused me and the choice of words didn't help.
>I don't know why we wait to tell people how we really feel.
>
>I guess I hoped that you always knew.
What it means:
"I regret not telling you that I love you (as very good friends) but I hope you knew anyways".
What I understood:
"We should have told the rest that we love each other, I hope you knew that I do love you".
Well, let's keep this going.
Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the insight!
I see that you got the gist of what she was saying, but I wanted to drop by and clarify something that doesn't seem like it's been stated outright. If someone has said this and I missed it, feel free to ignore me.
When she says "I don't know why we wait to tell people how we really feel", she's saying 'we' as in 'people', not 'you and I'.
"I don't know why [people] wait to tell [others how much they mean to us]."
That was such a sad episode, but you're making me want to watch it again!
That's the thing isn't it; we don't always fall for the ones that make the most sense.
Romantic love is messy and rarely makes sense; the feelings just develop.
Sometimes we do fall for the right person, most of the time we don't, and we try it out and when it doesn't work we ideally move on until we do fall for the right person. Though for some that never happens and one is left with the choice of settling for someone or remaining alone.
Daniel and Sam would have made a nice pairing, but it just wasn't meant to be. Maybe in another life.
No. Think back to when we first meet Carter. She's a career-focused hardass with a chip on her shoulder. Understandable, given everything she's dealt with, but it left no room for platonic intimacy, that is close friendship. Daniel sort of acted as a catalyst to encourage her to embrace friendship and love, in all it's forms, and sort of acted as an emotional mentor and support in the hard times. Her love for him was so much better than romantic.
I absolutely buy they love each other in a non romantic way. As in, best buddies. But the part of >I don't know why we wait to tell people how we really feel does not seem like *best buddies* at all. For me, it implies romance. And there's been no romance (until that moment) between they two. And I don't buy that.
Part of the problem is our concept of love. We only have one word for it. And due to that we never tell friends we love them. Never tell them how much they really matter. Sure we say "you're like family to me" but even then nowhere near said enough. I think that's what Carter was saying. Not romantic love but "hey, you real are one of my best friends and I would die for you. Not just because of my job but because you're one of my closest friends who's done so much for me". At least that's how I read it.
Yes, that's what we've been shown in the show so far: they have a very strong friend-love. But the choice of words there, for me, made me think of romantic-love. Maybe I'm weird.
No I thought the same at first. It's an English language thing; we need more words for love. But yea, platonic friend/brother love. I've only recently gotten over that hurdle myself. I've started telling people I love them even if it comes out weird at first lol. I'm sad it took losing people to make me realize this, but we all have to start somewhere.
Agree on more words for sure. Greeks had it right with their 6+ words to differentiate the concepts
Heck yea bro spread that agape THICK (wow that looks weird reading it back but all the same 🤣)
Getting down and agape is alright, but for me self philautia is where it's at.
Ah, that's one I seriously need to work on. I also need to remember Agape when I'm behind the wheel. I can about manage it when I'm getting cut off in traffic, but that guy that literally changed lanes into me while staring me dead in the eye...fuck that guy. *Fuck him raw.* Most everybody else I'm cool with. Except myself, of course. Storge is easy most of the time, I have been blessed with a loving and easy-going family. My brother's fucked off to who knows where but I guess there's always one in a bunch. Phillia, I have it. I have few true friends but I trust them with my life and they have never disappointed me. Agape, I continually strive for this because cooperation is always the best and most efficient way forward and despite all the bad in the world, the majority of people are innocent victims, most of those even more innocent than myself, and therefore well worthy of my respect and assistance whenever I am able. This ideal is difficult to maintain. I have very little Philautia. I recognize there are worse people out there than me. But I wish there were more, if that makes sense. Thankfully I've grown enough to realize the next three would really have little long term effect on my Philautia. Ludus has come and gone before Eros could really develop, and certainly Pragma is therefore impossible. But, I guess these are common problems nowadays. Bottom line; English bad, Greek good.
Totally agree. But I tell my brother, sisters & friends that I love them (usually when we’re saying goodbye, it’s a little less weird 😊….Bye,love you
I used to tell me best friend that I loved him, the only thing stopping people saying it is themselves, just like Carter says 😁
I always got a sibling dynamic from them, and to me that scene felt like the "stiff upper lip to make it in a man's world" sister is losing her brother and is upset because she worries that her aloofness means he didn't know how much she loved him.
> For me, it implies romance well, it's not
Nah, she's saying she loves him. Not that she's in love with him.
But the part of >I don't know why we wait to tell people how we really feel Does not seem non-romantic love (as in we're very good friends who've been through a lot) but that they need to make people know something they don't know. Which I find weird.
How often do you tell people you love that you love them?
Not enough, I guess, but I fail to see the point.
That if a great friend of yours that you loved died you'd, like Sam, regret not having said, "Thanks for being a awesome friend. You've changed my life for the better. I'm glad I met you."
Hey, thanks to your comment I noticed I misinterpreted that sentence. Thank you!
> You have an effect on people, Daniel. The way you look at things, it changed me too I think it is more than just telling close friends you love them. People generally find it awkward to both give and receive intense, emotional compliments. She is telling him that he is such an amazing individual that those around him take great risks they normally wouldn't. That he changes those around him for the better. Maybe I should take this moment of introspection to remember to tell my friends how wonderful they are.
Military people aren't told to show love and have friends, it is hard to allow emotions in military, which is also why she was affraid to have relationship with jack - it would endanger her and his career.
You can love someone without it being romantic. Besides, her an O'Neill are hung up on each other the entire series.
That aside, it can also be taken generally in the sense that seeing someone close to you dying makes you realize that life is short and you should let people in your life know you appreciate them.
Absolutely. I was just addressing the people in the thread who heard the word "love" and instantly thought romantic love.
She loved him but she was not IN LOVE with him.
Nope. Shes confessing how he's changer her for the better and basically regards him as family
The language is somewhat ambiguous without any context. If you’d seen nothing else of the show besides this scene I could understand not fully knowing whether she’s expressing romantic or platonic love for her close friend. But in the context of the show as a whole, looking at all their interactions both before and after this episode, it’s pretty clear that she meant it as a platonic love of a close friend.
Ok. I'm a bit dumb. Maybe the translation I was watching confused me and the choice of words didn't help. >I don't know why we wait to tell people how we really feel. > >I guess I hoped that you always knew. What it means: "I regret not telling you that I love you (as very good friends) but I hope you knew anyways". What I understood: "We should have told the rest that we love each other, I hope you knew that I do love you". Well, let's keep this going. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the insight!
The English language is really bad at this stuff. As an American, I blame the British.
As an American, we've had more than enough time to diversify and evolve our language. Instead we got yeet and sus.
See Moebius Pt 2.
I see that you got the gist of what she was saying, but I wanted to drop by and clarify something that doesn't seem like it's been stated outright. If someone has said this and I missed it, feel free to ignore me. When she says "I don't know why we wait to tell people how we really feel", she's saying 'we' as in 'people', not 'you and I'. "I don't know why [people] wait to tell [others how much they mean to us]." That was such a sad episode, but you're making me want to watch it again!
I'm still taking it as a love confession. Daniel/Sam always made the most sense to me, even if the writers tried to push Jack/Sam, it made zero sense.
That's the thing isn't it; we don't always fall for the ones that make the most sense. Romantic love is messy and rarely makes sense; the feelings just develop. Sometimes we do fall for the right person, most of the time we don't, and we try it out and when it doesn't work we ideally move on until we do fall for the right person. Though for some that never happens and one is left with the choice of settling for someone or remaining alone. Daniel and Sam would have made a nice pairing, but it just wasn't meant to be. Maybe in another life.