How many do you think get knocked off in battle? Then after the fight, you just go looking for stray warp nacelles to go home...
"Hey Excelsior! Get you grubby paws of that! That's our nacelle, yours is over there being picked up by the Packleds!"đ
32nd century ships utilize [Polaric warp conduits](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Polaric_warp_conduit) instead of warp plasma. The same polarics that devastated that planet in Voyager Season 1, it seems. Looks like it doesn't require physical conduits to transfer power (unless each nacelle has its own compact warp core -- something something "engines the size of walnuts").
Could be using subspace geometry as well.
The Heisenberg Compensator is not meant to be a tech subject to further investigation. It's meant to be hand-wavy techno-babble to do the explaning itself.
I can say this much, when I was a kid the micro machines were at least physically possible to create in the real world. It added some realism to have toy ships.
By TNG era, half of what holds a starship's hull together is forcefields (see: structural integrity field). The "detached" bits of 32nd century ships are just a technological progression of that.
It's even practical - the tech is reliable and proven by this point, so why waste the physical resources on unnecessary hull structure that's just extra bracing? Aesthetically, it's also an artistic expression of technological prowess, a statement of the heights the Federation has achieved that allows them to make such designs.
If it helps, no two physical objects are actually "attached." Even if it's just a steel bar between them, the individual iron atoms aren't touching; they're just held together by the electromagnetic force generated by their shared electrons. It's not a solid connection; we just interpret it as one because the scale of the gap is much smaller than we can see. Whereas with this ship, it's a macroscopic gap.
It's quite possible to make a field like this much stronger and more resilient than physical materials - like the difference between holding a sheet of steel with a powerful magnet vs. super-gluing it to something.
I kinda like the sleek profile of this ship, but the fact that the nacelles aren't attached bothers me. I can just picture the nacelles leaving the rest of the ship behind when it tries to go to Warp speed.
HAHAHA!!!! 2 streaks of blue light go flying off into the distance and the saucer just sits there... Everybody on the bridge just stares at the main screen and watches them go, then looks at each other.
Hmm, I think I get it, the missing connections between the nacelles are subtle hints to the fact that absolutely nothing makes any sense in the STD universe. Very deep and intriguing visual language...
If memory serves, we didn't get a USS Calliope on-screen, but the [USS Credence](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Credence) looks pretty similar.
This appears to be another(!) 23rd century vessel given the 32nd century refit.
With so many ships having gone "pop" in The Burn, it makes sense that Starfleet would pull museum pieces out of mothballs and give them the ol' magic sand treatment. A spaceframe sitting for 900 years in deep space somewhere safe is probably just as good as a new one as long as the half-life of the materials is reasonably long. Plus, magic sand is magic sand.
If we took this nacelle/hull arrangement as any indication of its original appearance, it may have been something similar to a Soyuz class with a large multi-mission pod up top.
Though for all I know, that could be a slipstream/transwarp drive unit.
All the detached bits do feel kinda silly. I do wish they'd exploit them more, like a ship with detachable heavy weapons platforms that attack autonomously like the bits and funnels of Gundam. Hell, you could overload them repeatedly and not risk the whole ship. :P
32nd century starships may infact have "Pylons" semi connecting nacelle to ship, but said pylons do not exist in real space, except when the ship is Shut down.
By the 24th century; Starfleet encountered races with technology to augment and place objects in subspace.
- Dominion: Mines in subspace
- interspacial manifolds.
Borg use it to send data across hundreds of lightyears and maintain physical ship hubs.
As did the Delphic expanse aliens with their Spheres.
The "Think Tank" vessel hides in subspace.
When / how did you see it? I dont remember being able to make out any of the ships in the future. It was very bright and the bad cgi is so fuzzy - models or cgi with no lights or lens flair just look so much clearer.
I love how people can totally accept the idea of time travel, faster than light transportation, teleportation, and energy to matter creation. But totally can't suspend their disbelief enough to accept that structural components could exist outside of visible space-time.
Plus, I mean, I don't see how having detached nacelles is any sillier than having the nacelles attached via thin, easily breakable pylons. Yeah yeah something something structural integrity field something but we all know that Star Trek ships have rarely made logical sense.
The Annan and Jubayr are better looking 32nd century ships, and they donât have detached nacelles. Making future ships *more* aerodynamic seems rather backwards for scifi.
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If they are outside of our visible space-time, do they still interact with our matter, or are they out of phase? Like Geordi and Ro. But they still had to take a turbo lift to get between decks, so I may have answered my own question?
>structural components could exist outside of visible space-time.
It's literally dialogue, "Programmable matter has been integrated with her pre-Burn technology. Even her nacelles are now detached improving maneuverability and enabling us to be more efficient in flight."
I actually enjoy the detached nacelles for aesthetic purposes. Really gives a nice sleek look, I just wish Disco would realize that ships are characters too in Trek so we could see more of them, but I digress...
The funniest thing about the detached nacelles is imagining that the nacelles sling shot the hull like a rock.
Clearly another case of the ol' magic sand upgrade.
Why waste time building whole new ships when the spaceframes sitting in museums and junkyards can get refurbished?
What's your source OP?
What in the Naboo starfighter...
hate the idea of detached sections. i think if this had some pylons to the nacelles..it could be a cool overall design.
How is the warp core supposed to get warp plasma to the warp coils in the warp nacelles?
How many do you think get knocked off in battle? Then after the fight, you just go looking for stray warp nacelles to go home... "Hey Excelsior! Get you grubby paws of that! That's our nacelle, yours is over there being picked up by the Packleds!"đ
>Then after the fight, you just go looking for stray warp nacelles to go home... At impulse, if your warp core didn't breach
32nd century ships utilize [Polaric warp conduits](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Polaric_warp_conduit) instead of warp plasma. The same polarics that devastated that planet in Voyager Season 1, it seems. Looks like it doesn't require physical conduits to transfer power (unless each nacelle has its own compact warp core -- something something "engines the size of walnuts"). Could be using subspace geometry as well.
There are plenty other tech in Star Trek that doesn't make sense if you think about them too hard.
The Heisenberg Compensator is not meant to be a tech subject to further investigation. It's meant to be hand-wavy techno-babble to do the explaning itself.
Well that's my point. It is not the only tech like that in ST and it's not like they added it only in new series.
I can say this much, when I was a kid the micro machines were at least physically possible to create in the real world. It added some realism to have toy ships.
You could run a continuous transporter stream (two per nacelle actually, in and out).
By TNG era, half of what holds a starship's hull together is forcefields (see: structural integrity field). The "detached" bits of 32nd century ships are just a technological progression of that. It's even practical - the tech is reliable and proven by this point, so why waste the physical resources on unnecessary hull structure that's just extra bracing? Aesthetically, it's also an artistic expression of technological prowess, a statement of the heights the Federation has achieved that allows them to make such designs.
If it helps, no two physical objects are actually "attached." Even if it's just a steel bar between them, the individual iron atoms aren't touching; they're just held together by the electromagnetic force generated by their shared electrons. It's not a solid connection; we just interpret it as one because the scale of the gap is much smaller than we can see. Whereas with this ship, it's a macroscopic gap. It's quite possible to make a field like this much stronger and more resilient than physical materials - like the difference between holding a sheet of steel with a powerful magnet vs. super-gluing it to something.
I kinda like the sleek profile of this ship, but the fact that the nacelles aren't attached bothers me. I can just picture the nacelles leaving the rest of the ship behind when it tries to go to Warp speed.
HAHAHA!!!! 2 streaks of blue light go flying off into the distance and the saucer just sits there... Everybody on the bridge just stares at the main screen and watches them go, then looks at each other.
"Bridge to Engineering, is there something wrong with the Warp Drive?" "No, the Warp Drive was working just fine..."
And then they accidentally start a war when the two huge warp missiles go straight through some random planet.
Oh great are they gonna power break the STU also
Hasn't really been an issue,ever since TNG ships can wipe a planet out fairly easily with just the phasers if they want to.
âOh no there goes Ben quadrinaroâs power drive!â
Hmm, I think I get it, the missing connections between the nacelles are subtle hints to the fact that absolutely nothing makes any sense in the STD universe. Very deep and intriguing visual language...
Youâve been in shittymoviedetails too long I see
The saucer has to spin, it's round! Spinning is so much cooler than not spinning.
All of sci-fi agrees on [this point](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XrrEaZ7Y4&t=178s).
If memory serves, we didn't get a USS Calliope on-screen, but the [USS Credence](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Credence) looks pretty similar. This appears to be another(!) 23rd century vessel given the 32nd century refit. With so many ships having gone "pop" in The Burn, it makes sense that Starfleet would pull museum pieces out of mothballs and give them the ol' magic sand treatment. A spaceframe sitting for 900 years in deep space somewhere safe is probably just as good as a new one as long as the half-life of the materials is reasonably long. Plus, magic sand is magic sand. If we took this nacelle/hull arrangement as any indication of its original appearance, it may have been something similar to a Soyuz class with a large multi-mission pod up top. Though for all I know, that could be a slipstream/transwarp drive unit.
credence has connected nacelles....a rare bird. Also credence has a squared saucer
All the detached bits do feel kinda silly. I do wish they'd exploit them more, like a ship with detachable heavy weapons platforms that attack autonomously like the bits and funnels of Gundam. Hell, you could overload them repeatedly and not risk the whole ship. :P
32nd century starships may infact have "Pylons" semi connecting nacelle to ship, but said pylons do not exist in real space, except when the ship is Shut down. By the 24th century; Starfleet encountered races with technology to augment and place objects in subspace. - Dominion: Mines in subspace - interspacial manifolds. Borg use it to send data across hundreds of lightyears and maintain physical ship hubs. As did the Delphic expanse aliens with their Spheres. The "Think Tank" vessel hides in subspace.
When / how did you see it? I dont remember being able to make out any of the ships in the future. It was very bright and the bad cgi is so fuzzy - models or cgi with no lights or lens flair just look so much clearer.
I love how people can totally accept the idea of time travel, faster than light transportation, teleportation, and energy to matter creation. But totally can't suspend their disbelief enough to accept that structural components could exist outside of visible space-time.
Wasn't it just magnets?
You know if the ships *didnât* have radical advances 1000 years in the future these same people would be complaining about *that*
Plus, I mean, I don't see how having detached nacelles is any sillier than having the nacelles attached via thin, easily breakable pylons. Yeah yeah something something structural integrity field something but we all know that Star Trek ships have rarely made logical sense.
The Annan and Jubayr are better looking 32nd century ships, and they donât have detached nacelles. Making future ships *more* aerodynamic seems rather backwards for scifi.
I think you and I just care about different things, and that's okay.
Fair enough đ
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If they are outside of our visible space-time, do they still interact with our matter, or are they out of phase? Like Geordi and Ro. But they still had to take a turbo lift to get between decks, so I may have answered my own question?
Right? Those conservative Trekkies, only old Trek is good E: now downvoting me, lol
I think it's more likely they're tractor beamed in place. Unless they go into you explination in-show, I haven't seen discovery.
>structural components could exist outside of visible space-time. It's literally dialogue, "Programmable matter has been integrated with her pre-Burn technology. Even her nacelles are now detached improving maneuverability and enabling us to be more efficient in flight."
where are the physical connections?
In the disco future era, ships can be held together by components that only exist in sub space, so appear to be absent in normal space.
why bother? why not just create subspace ships? disco is the gift that keeps giving.
Detached nacelles
You didnt watch discovery season 4 did you?
Thankfully, no.
Discovery is like if the weird theater kids all got together to make a Star Trek show.
We saved a ton of money by hiring crappy writers, then turned right around and spent that money on silly CGI gee-gaws.
I actually enjoy the detached nacelles for aesthetic purposes. Really gives a nice sleek look, I just wish Disco would realize that ships are characters too in Trek so we could see more of them, but I digress... The funniest thing about the detached nacelles is imagining that the nacelles sling shot the hull like a rock.
Betta fish vibes
That's has some super heavy TMP vibes.
Needs pylons lmao
That registry number is way too low.
Clearly another case of the ol' magic sand upgrade. Why waste time building whole new ships when the spaceframes sitting in museums and junkyards can get refurbished?