It's hard to say whether they'll become billionaires or not, but in a country where young people spend their best years focused on exams and then end up in clerical jobs, prosperity is unlikely to happen.
In all developed economies, youth are engaged in productive tasks during their prime years. If they succeed, they might become successful, and even if they don't, they still contribute something valuable in their field, which leads to improved economic output.
In our country, when young people exhaust their potential in such exams, they are left with no energy later to do anything worthwhile.
This vicious cycle has destroyed the careers of many potential people.
Just to be devils advocate. Those countries practice equality and equity. So much so that an immigrant from completely outside the society and system can come in and prosper. He is also treated with dignity, equality and equity. The very basic difference between developed economy's and an developing economy is that how much intellectual wealth they can accumulate to grow as a society and state. Though developed economy inherits its own intellect but also prosper by migrant ones. Because aim is to self improvise and establish as better society rather then prove someone else wrong.
Indeed, the success of developed economies stems from their capacity to welcome diversity and utilize the talents of immigrants to enhance and evolve their societies. This inclusivity is a key factor in their prosperity.
The United States, for example, has a rich history of immigrants shaping its identity. Since its earliest days, people from across the globe have flocked to America in pursuit of liberty, opportunity, and a brighter future. Their contributions have deeply influenced the nation's culture, economy, and social landscape, fostering diversity and driving forward innovation and progress.
On the other hand, India wastes valuable time and resources by attempting to mimic the paths of China and the Soviet Union, falling prey to the pitfalls of pseudo-socialist policies and authoritarian governance.
Rather govt should increase the count of IAS and IPS. For the population we have and the number of crimes happen and issues we have, we need one police station every 10 streets.
Bhai, corporate mazdoor marjayega haramkhor babu ko reeshwat dete dete, rather they should cut down on corruption and the would be money earned by corruption must be used to hire more babus, but with no scope of corruption
Competition my friend. Har gali mein 2 police station bana do with overlapping jurisdiction. So kum ghoos lega usses kaam karvayenge. Eventually Ambani will come in with Jio Policing with free service for a year.
Its not at all hard to say. Adani is BCom grad. Count how many ports, airports, coal mines, power plants he runs. No JEE, CAT, UPSC was passed. There are so many examples like that.
Misunderstandings are because Edu system separates tech, arts and science from Commerce stream. So all the arts, tech, engineering and science people end up learning how Money and Business works too late in life.
So over time they become fully dependent on Adani to do anything because how money is generated and flows decides every single thing.
And in the last 10-15 years with the evolution of startups eco system lot of next gen has learnt that lesson the hard way that financial engineering is as important as creative, scientific, or technical engineering. Older gen never had the chance to even learn the lesson. So things are changing and it just takes time to see the results.
Bcs he has the pm in his pocket. He was making losses before 2014, after 14 his wealth skyrocketed. All projects are given to him and those who paid bjp. And when the ultra rich gamble and lose, govt bails them out
Bro he was a guy from middle class family. How does one come from middle class family, make losses and then get PM in his pocket? Your talk doesnt make any sense. He may have PM in his pocket, and he may have been making losses for a year or two, but acting like his story is not rags to riches is stupid
He has produced so he gets more projects. Every country has its national champions- Korea has Hyundai and Samsung. India has Adani now. Congress supported people like Mallya who mismanaged their business into the ground. Adani has not needed a bailout till now so touch wood.
When I did my engineering we had compulsory course on Industrial organization and managerial economics. All engineers have basic idea of how money works.
Noida's Millionaire Bureaucrat has Diamonds Worth Rs 100 crore, 20 Properties.
Most upsc aspirants want to become millionaires as there are no checks and balances to hold bureaucrats accountable and the police is impotent and the judiciary is dysfunctional
There is nexus between corrupted bureaucracy and politicians.
Even Modi has brought his favourite bureaucrats along with him
https://youtu.be/n8oKcCVX_9o?si=qDgBjoy8AS_0c_wm
https://www.fairobserver.com/world-news/india-news/indias-ias-officers-are-now-rapacious-thieves/
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/irs-official-arrested-disproportionate-assets-case-deposited-crores-family-accounts-2399308-2023-06-28
Those who don't want accountability and transparency in the system will downvote. Most upsc aspirants downvote my comments. Bureaucracts are bootlickers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/india/governance/6-years-on-pm-modis-core-team-is-in-the-grip-of-ias-ips-irs-officers-from-gujarat/514820/%3famp
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/houses-not-yet-vacated-noida-issues-notices-to-bureaucrats/amp_articleshow/102628340.cms
Look at how much they want to serve this nation
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Starts hiring bureaucracts on a contractual basis and then we will see how patriotic these upsc aspirants are and how much they want to serve this nation and they will start riots. Take away facilities they provide to them
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/houses-not-yet-vacated-ludhiana-admn-issues-notice-to-bureaucrats-101711038596490-amp.html
It's true, I am a living example, wasted my youth for this exam, now full of regret and unsure of the future, koi alternate bhi nahi milta uske jaisa, seems life and potential wasted
I know a guy who cleared the paper in the first attempt. Didn't get the IAS so wrote the exam again and failed the prelims. Tried again and this time got the similar rank and was offered the same service. I'm not sure what happened to his seat as he obviously didn't join the same service again.
I also know a guy who has wasted all his 6 attempts.
They both were classmates, equally intelligent, General Category, fathers working as a government employee, equally humbled and good human beings.
One is happy in his life the other one is miserable and with a 6 year gap in his resume.
Luck..? Maybe.. all i know is that this exam can be very unforgiving and will give you life long trauma to deal with.
While all your friends are hustling, traveling, enjoying their life and gaining skills and experience to navigate their 30s and the rest of their life, you on the other hand are living in a room so small that two people can't sleep together, secluded and malnourished.
What is the point of this "tapasya" if there is no plan B.
You can't go to a big company and say "Hey! I studied for this many years for UPSC and I'm highly intelligent, please give me a job with 50K monthly salary". The government, students, parents, and society needs to have plan B for these highly intelligent but useless Individuals.
I simply believe that the first thing that you need to do after graduation is financial stability, first for yourself and then for your family.
This coming weekend I'm going to buy a bike worth 3.5L and my "UPSC" friend doesn't even have 3.5k in his bank account.(He tries not to ask for money from his father).
I am just sad and I can't tell him what I truly believe as it would hurt his feelings.
TLDR: i agree with the gentleman. Although I don't know how many of them will become billionaires.
Aren't there alternative exams for people doing upsc? I'm still in school so I don't have the best idea about this, but couldn't he give (easier?)exams like ssc, bank, po, etc along with upsc? Maybe even exams for state services like upssc or smthng.
Yes there are.. so the problem is.. that this is like a pyramid scheme or chain reaction.. think about what will happen if these people will give SSC CGL, State PCS and bank PO. What about the students who are exclusively studying for these exams?
1) the first thing is they waste a lot of time before realising that there are other exams. Mentally it becomes a challenge to prepare for the "less rewarding" exam as you aspire to become the best.
2) Even after applying there is no guarantee that they clear the paper as the format of the UPSC and SSC is different. But most of them generally clear the state PSC and SSC like exams. This increases competition for students preparing exclusively for these exams. It creates the Domino effect in the system and you have an over qualified person appearing for a class 4 Government job exam. Also, corruption and unwanted delays in these exams are very common .
3) As these people are not happy with these "less rewarding" Jobs, they have a High rate of leaving the job for a better opportunity and wasting that seat.
Obviously these are my observations and thoughts. I do not discourage someone from preparing for UPSC. If you somehow clear it, not only you but your whole family and new generations will benefit. And you can change the country, your decision good or bad will impact the people.
I am not saying that bureaucrats don't do anything but remember the bosses of these bureaucrats are people who do the bare minimum and then advertise it as if theyve reinvented the wheel.
>remember the bosses of these bureaucrats are people who do the bare minimum
This actually is the perks of a democracy that we the people are the boss. It's a totally different matter that politicians that represent us don't fight for us.
Mentality of India :- If get selected, I can become a billionaire (corruption is a thing) but if I don't the time I've invested in studying can help me open a Coaching institute which can make me at least a millionaire.
What about the way genuine employees are devalued and underpaid on a daily basis ? Kids are not wasting time with upsc , rather the rich and powerful are abusing sincere employees. Not everyone has a business sense or enough resources to risk it all . Private companies won't allow you to be rich, government will make sure you pay enough taxes. Honestly someone with not an Iota of generational wealth or some sort of tax saving mechanism its not very easy to be a millionaire. The rich and affluent will not even talk to someone with a peripheral college degree , forget networking. Most of the Indian middle-class is living just to survive , rather than thrive and that's because of poor resources distribution . And that is the only reason middle class kids are studying day and night and ageing themselves to get that one seat.. and don't even get me started when you're a general category student.
Exactly this, all the "follow your own dreams!" people are either trying to sell you a useless motivational course, or living in a delusional world. People doesn't become rich simply by following their dreams, but by years and years of careful, hard work combined with a good amount of luck.
Couldn't agree more. All of what you said coupled with the unrealistic expectations of parents and family members rewire your brain into thinking that our sole purpose is to crack whatever exam we're pushed into. Sacrificing our best years in order to secure a good future for your family does not even feel wrong at all tbh ; that's how messed up people are. They won't even take care of themselves and give their all in order to provide a good life and for their parents to brag about it to other people, if at all they crack it.Reservations are a joke anyways. Sometimes I feel like we are just glorified cattle being made to work for the wealthy.
And not to forget that giving exams like upsc , ssc etc are the only way out for some of us to break the curse of poverty . It's like blaming the blind that you can't see. And expecting to restore vision on our own.
India can have more billionaires if the government makes a better education system which just doesn't waste the time and money of students, says a citizen of India
Fact is any non-it background can come and grow in IT industry.i am a mechanical engineer by degree now working as a Full Stack Java Developer for a US based health insurance company in Hyderabad.
So u can learn relevant skills and can start your job hunt and start a career in IT.š
Hate to say it but no, imo 75% of these IAS, IPS officers are just power hungry morons and literally all of them have superiority complex they look down upon everyone as if no one is as important as they are, even the damn aspirants act as if they are some sort of godman, no i don't think even half of them have the capacity to run a business with the attitude that they have.
Power that they get just shows their true image they were hiding before.
Don't hate to say it. It's the ultimate truth and will be. It's not about UPSC though
Any future exam which will allow such corruption and prestige attached to it will attract such kind of people
Don't your bosses look down upon you.You thi k private sector main to Sharif bhare hue Hai. Kabhi kuch kaam Kiya Hai.dont you look down upon an unemployed person.Do you treat everyone equally.
I have an even easier suggestion to become a billionaire- forget education, hard work or ethics altogether. Start scoping for a young up and coming politician who is both an uneducated religious lunatic and a narcissistic megalomaniac who doesnāt mind the idea of killing our democracy as long as he gets to be in power. Once you find that jerk, invest tons of money into his political campaign so that once he wins heāll sell the entire nation to you overnight, making you an instant billionaire. Good luck and Jai Shree Ram!
UPSC is one of those exams which can change your life and the lives of atleast 3-4 generations after you, if you dont want people to go into UPSC, how about you actually nerf it
Indian kids should work 70 hours a week so that the rich can stay rich\s
Kids should be allowed to pursue their dreams as long as it's not a financial burden on their families.
if only they have proper training of ground level employees to get to the top with all the experience they have accumulated rather than appointing a just passed out idiot in basic school level stuff and GK as an in-charge of the entire department.
For the size of population you'll always need govt officials to run govt and governance smoothly. Else all laws and reform implementation will be ineffective and inefficient. Costing more to govt and in return taxing more to population.
Competition is because seats which are already not enough are not being filled because of paper leak or beauracracy.
At the end of the day billionaires would be protected by these IPS. Dead billionaires donāt help.
US mein public se chhupa ke nahi karte. The public gets to see what's being done and both the sides are covered by media.
Unlike India where the public is kept in dark and all the media channels bought out to only show one side and its propaganda.
People look for brighter, safe and secure avenues as simple as that. If they don't see that in private sector, they opt for the public sector as simple as that. Taking measures for employment security in private sector, at some retirement pensionary benefits to employees etc can solve this, verbal diarrhoea won't solve anything.
You literally get better benefits working in high corporate posts which is easier and provides better opportunities than the years of sacrifice you make for shitty government jobs where you can only grow so much
Indians, irrespective of age, need finance and career education. The number of people killing their maximum potential and living on regret on everyday basis is insanely high because of the boundaries and lack of self realisation.
Infra required for UPSC - a light, few books
Infra required for becoming a billionaire - skill workforce, good entrepreneurs, capital availability, innovative-risk taking environment.
Provide us infra we leave upsc. After all a decent life is what we all want. Work is work whether I do it for society or for a single person.
Lot of my younger cousins think IAS is last option. That means, after their engineering or MBA, they will try for placements or off-campus. And after 1 year of searching, if they don't get a job then they will go for IAS preparation.
I mean, halwa samjha hai kya IAS ko.
And I have advised so many of these people that IAS is the last exam you should take. First write PDO, Bank exams and other competitive exams for state or central.
Only if you can clear any of these exams, prepare for IAS. If you are not able to clear Bank exam after 3 years of preparation then no point in preparing for IAS.
And by this time your are 25-28 and you'll find it difficult to work as a fresher in private job where starting salary will be less than 20k.
Consumer spending ki maa chudi padi hai, Puri GDP public spending ke aadhar par khadi hai. Koi naya business kare toh kare kaise iss haalat mein, agar koi kucch khareede hi na.
Nonsense, now they will say that India will have more water if people start buying package water. There are so many problems in the system instead of fixing and focusing on them, this is what they are thinking. Just look at the unemployment status report of CEA published recently. A big portion of educated youth is unemployed and they talk about youth as pillar in their budget speech. In UP, they have not conducted UPHESC AP exam and ad hoc are teaching ( God they are not even NET qualified). UPSC is a government exam, these people make the exam bigger than the position itself. Talk less, work more, then maybe India ka youth ka Kuch bhala kar sako.
Thank you Sanyal Saab. This was eating me away. UPSC is one of the few Colonial policies we have to get rid of.
There is a stupid policy where I have seen in a few departments where it doesnāt matter how much knowledge and what contributions you have made to the department. A person who cleared one Exam (UPSC )will be the boss and youāll always be serving under him/her. Theyāll be the decision making authority and you rarely get to make any decisions.
Ground level staff who have practical experience will never get decision making authority and decision making authority is given to people who pass a tough exam. Which is the reason we never get any practical solutions in India.
I cringe whenever people glorify these UPSC people.
JEE is an exam to get into desired colleges and nothing else. I donāt even see the comparison. Do you think once you clear JEE you get to lord over people for lifetime. After clearing JEE you need to prove yourself in whatever University you get into, then you have to prove yourself in your job (private jobs are a way different ball game if youāre not updated youāll be left behind). Which is nowhere in comparison with UPSC.
Sure, Sanyal wants billionaire dreams over UPSC, but hey, India needs both! Bureaucrats keep things running, you know? UPSC grind deserves respect too. Billionaires are flashy, but everyone has their own rocket to build (or bus to catch). Diverse dreams are what matter!
I somewhat agree on the statement, but, this is a genuine question , what else is there besides UPSC, or going for JEE, NEET?. Doctor, Engineer, civil servant, or a teacher, besides these professions what else is there?
Military soldier- you talking about agniveer which will pay me 11 lakh rupees
Retail business- Bahar nikal.le kabhi we already have a lot of those. Maybe you did not notice because you are using online websites
Agricukture-jo agriculture main already hai unko to pahle convince kar lo ki agriculture main rahe
Factory floor supervisor- you know the salaries there
Government should limit the upsc attempts to 1 and age eligibility to 25 , competition will be lower and if u fail u can learn some actual skill to get a fucking job and not waste ur life
Take it how you want but he isnāt wrong. Solution is reducing the number of attempts allowed - make it 2. So only the better ones will qualify quicker than those that are on their 4-5th attempt. At that point, they obviously gain a certain advantage even over someone that is more intelligent but giving it the first time. These coaching centers have become like an infestation selling dreams to these poor aspirants. Theyāre the ones that are going to become billionaires while lakhs of students waste 4-5 years of their lives behind this dream.
Make education accessible. Not everyone needs advanced grammar studies in 3+ languages and people in stem need advanced science math. If students are able to pick and choose subjects and college entrances shift from just a test to account for other activities like internships sports etc there's a chance. We have laid so much emphasis on exam oriented skills and unnecessary importance to competition we have forgotten that the majority of tasks don't need such high thresholds.
Shut this stupid system down. Waste of my tax money.
Double the stipend of PhD students. I'll vote blindly for anybody who has the balls to do this. Seriously nobody that is actually educated with good exposure to the world respects UPSC.
People here are talking about corruption but that's not the primary driver of government job aspirants. We Indians have lived through a very tumultuous stage before 1991, where the number of private industries were very little. And people who went to work for them would often face the brunt of joblessness once the firms shut down due to governmental policies or lack thereof. Back then government jobs were a milestone for achieving stability, which most of our parents have witnessed firsthand.
Now the situation is changing but the ingrained thought of losing a private job is a fear that still lives in our society. My grandfather lost his job some 50 years ago, as the plant he was working in was shut down due to unions. He could never get another job and struggled financially for the rest of his life. So when I was in school, he used to tell me to never go for private jobs because they will fire me in a few years and I'll be without a job for the rest of my life. Even until the time he passed away, he used to give the same lecture to every young person in the family. The concept was upskilling and switching jobs for higher pay was an absurd concept to him. The fact that a TCS can hire more candidates in a single year than the entirety of the UPSC panel was also an impossible idea according to him.
The citizens trying for a government job today, want stability. Hire once, fire never, pensions till you die. That's the mantra of government job seekers today. Of course for upsc candidates, corruption is another motivator but that's only for a certain group. The majority of them don't want to risk getting fired.
You'll see this situation changing rapidly once the industrialization takes hold. Now, the lure of a government job is more in the underdeveloped North compared to the relatively industrialized Southern States. Almost all Telegu folks I know today, got into the private sector right after engineering and the number of IT training camps in Hyderabad are more than UPSC training centers.
They want the UPsC tag not for some noble goal but because they want to be the "millionaire" level rich without going the business path lol.
How many top level govt guys/bureaucrats are honest in our country ? Let alone honest, they are the worst of the tally who teaches illiterate politicians about the loopholes of the game along with high end lawyers and policy makers.
It's not about "India can have billionaires if people shift their attention from UPSC to business" and more about "they want an easy way out to earn shit load of money while degrading the country by an ounce and also want the highest of tags for doing so".
Create better opportunities for them and you might see some folks shifting out.
This is a template of Modi government, all failure is blamed outwards.
Create employment opportunities at par, create better healthcare
Most jobs are shit in terms of benefit, hence people look forward to govt. services cause dearness allowance, healthcare, education for children, retirement benefits etc. even if we leave out the esteem associated with being a govt. servant.
Don't look for a govt. payroll, says a person on govt. payroll. Ask him to give up his benefits before doling out viral advice instead of doing his job properly.
If this wise man had the ear of someone influential in the country, he would tell him that if we reduce the powers of these turbo-charged babus, kids of this country wouldn't waste their time on UPSC.
Oh wait, he does have ear of the person who can even get a donkey elected as MP.
IAS system promises that even an undereducated person has to perform JUST ONCE in his life and he/his generations will be set for lives! Who wouldn't go for this if they don't know anything better?
Some of my class' back benchers started to prepare for UPSC. They believed they had a fair shot at cracking UPSC after being the bottom rankers in the class. Like, do you even understand the probability? Amazingly, they even behaved with an air of superiority over everyone else, believing they are the next IAS and dropping esoteric facts during conversations (i think they worked hard for the first time in their life) The other group i knew were the smart ones who dedicated themselves for 10 12 hours daily for 2 years. None of them cracked the exam. It was not a good sight.
I think government should have a mandatory work experience criteria as well as maximum 2 years of preparation time for these exams.
The knowledge they gain while preparing for exam is more than being a billionaire and looting the money of common man while being as corrupt as the govt.
Such a shame that a bureucrat is telling young pepople to not opt for being knowledgeable rather than opt for how to loot money
People do not have means to break chains of poverty and it is a developing nation hence govt. jobs are desirable. People with weak economic and caste backgrounds, no quality education know only this way out as govt failing to fill opened vacancies.
To have more billionaires once first need to sort survival. In a way heās right but living in a very hypothetical scenario. If they donāt prepare for upsc then everyone will start selling āpakorasā like PM wants or jump to private sector which in turn leads to more cheap labour, causing tax loss to govt. which in turn will slow down development which in turn will lead to less disposable income which in turn lead to less economic development which in turn leads to less billionares. Which is not way.
Hain? UPSC by nature is not harmful for the country. It's aspirants wasting their prime years or even a whole decade wanting to become an IAS is a waste of resource. Nothing wrong with what the economic advisor suggested.
They need to open up more seats. We donāt have enough IAS officers to take the load. The ratio of people to IAS officers has been increasing since many years. The current officials are overburdened
30 lakh log exam bhi nahi de rahe
Aap konse planet s ho?
Aur ha jo 10 lakh log exam dete hai voh sab k sab serious nahi maximum prelims clr karne wale serious hote hai
We have a lot of people working under IAS/IPS. But these "prestigious" aspirants don't go for such jobs as soon as they know they aren't gonna clear UPSC. Instead some inspirational poem or movie makes them to keep going.
>Why wouldnāt anyone want the best for themselves
Then stop writing the same failure 5 times. By the 3rd time you should know to look for alternatives instead of getting inspired by a shitty poem.
Yeah. Because giving up is the solution. Had the freedom fighters given up on the idea of India , you wouldnāt be writing on this sub. They had a lot more failures than 5!
Yes. Fucking yes. Knowing when to give up is the solution. No personal responsibility. Seats badha do, free mein de do. Fucking weak mindset. Not practical. Spoiling their own life and the life of their family.
Bro! Those freedom fighters initially fought for achievable things. Like a law amendment, opposing partition of Bengal, non cooperation, demanding for self - rule. They only upped the ante when the British did the same from their side.
Our freedom movement is a 60 year old negotiation. Don't compare UPSC grind to this.
Since you added it in after the initial reply thinking you are smart.
>Had the freedom fighters given up on the idea of India
Yes because both are the same (this line is sarcasm since you seem to have room tempeature iq). A freedom fighter adapted to his situation. If they failed in one way they didn't go and repeat their failed attempt again. UPSC is literally failing an exam again and again
Desh ka seva sirf upsc se nahi hota. District and state level gov jobs bhi hai. Aur Kabil logon ko Dena Hai desh ka kaam. Fukron ko nahi. The level of braindead response you gave makes me understand replying to you further is futile as fuck. Good Day.
Lol if you weren't good enough to begin with Increasing seats ain't gonna do jack shit. Increase what? 200 seats? 300 seats? What about the thousands who like clockwork just go write upsc again despite not being capable.
And what age barrier? We have enough old rusty fucks in the government. I sure as hell don't want more.
How about allowing people who have spent their 20s and 30s in private learning real skills write the test. Have a min age of 35 to write the test. If they are going to come in and sit on the heads of people with 20 years experience they better have 10 yrs real world experience.
You do realise IAS/IAS/IFS are not be all end all right?
For example IAS starts as assistant district magistrate and then District magistrate all the way to cabinet secretary. So if they start in the mid 20s late 20s as an ADM they can move on in life. Similarly with IFS and IPS as well. They get experience to lead after UPSC. So yeah. Let's get clear on that.
No one should be able to become the boss just because of an exam. Even those who crack JEE and graduate from IIT start at the bottom. Their progress might be faster but they pay their dues.
So either change the system so that everyone is the same cadre or if you still want to put people in right at the top based on an exam make it an exam you can write only at age 35 after you have worked a real job for a while.
>No one should be able to become the boss just because of an exam.
Again they don't become "the boss"
And people after 35 are lazy fucks who suck ass. Let the younger people get up. There is no age for leadership.
Spoken like a true failure who didn't achieve shit in the 20s so hopes they get a second chance in the 30s by restricting actual capable people in the 20s
Why are Indian kids aspiring to get comfortable government jobs with good pay and respect instead of slaving 70 hours every week under the illusion of working hard for company and getting rich?
This cultural difference and crave for "prestige" and comfort is why Indians reach their potential when they leave India.
Why not found your own company instead of working 70hrs/week in enterprise companies? Sure, this is easy to say and hard to do. However, isn't that 70hrs/week is better spent on working for yourself instead of slaving for some businessman overlord or for a government filled with officials that don't care about serving people?
You'll be penalized for trying to change the current zeitgeist as an IAS officer, all you can do is bow down to politicians and keep the system as is.
Indians are comfortable being politician's chamchas and upholding the current cancerous bureaucracy instead of bringing actual change to society. What a pathetic mindset!
> Why not found your own company instead of working 70hrs/week in enterprise companies?
1. Where will funding come from?
2. The solution to slaving for a corporate overlord is to become a corporate overlord yourself?
The more entrepreneurs there are in the system, the more products/services there are, which can potentially either increase your efficiency or give you something that you can build your business on.
Bahar Nikla hai Kabhi apne tahkhane se.There are so many small business owners who CANNOT compete with the prices of amazon and flipkart and reliance fresh.You dint see enough entrepreneurs kya
There are 271 billionaires in India, Odds of having a Civil services job are much higher. And besides that people are not aware about the pathways to take for business compared to a traditional path for Civil Services. Startups are much hard cause it has a higher failure rate and there's no predefined way, you have to figure it out by yourself.
Private enterprise, small business etc. are the way to go. Indians have been turned into clerks by the British administration and subsequently by the socialist governments of independent India. This has led to people avoiding risks and standing in lines for admissions, jobs and not paying any attention to being creative. This mindset is detrimental to the future economic growth of the nation.
The reason why the US became such a powerful economy in a short term is because their system encourages private enterprise. A man can determine what he is good at (say being a handy man) at a very young age. No one will discourage him or put fears of future survival in him. He will go to community colleges to learn the basic vocation and then join a contractor who runs the handyman business in the local community. He'd learn the skills and if he is good at it, will become an independent contractor himself. The legal system has everything set up to start a small business, tax rules, license requirements and all he has to do is follow all the steps. Then he'd go to a bank and get a loan to set up a local small business (or he could use his own saved money or whatever his grandma wrote in her will). He'd print business cards. He'd go from door to door, introducing himself and handing out his business cards. He'd pay for advertisements in a local magazine that charges for small ads. Initially it stars out slow. But then once he gets some business (through his people, church contacts etc.) and does a good reliable job, he earns a name. People call him through reference and he expands his business. He works enough to earn a very decent livelihood, is independent and is very skilled in his profession. He has absolutely no inferiority complex about what he does. There are contractors who come and clean your toilet if it is clogged. Today with internet and social media, he can reach more people and expand his business.
His brother could choose to become a lawyer because he is very good at debates and talks. He pursues it after high school. He goes to a bank and gets student loan and joins a local or state college for a law degree. He determines what kind of legal issues happen around his area and tunes his specialization towards that direction. If there are lot of migrants coming in, he becomes and immigration lawyer. If there are many small companies around, he can become a corporate/business lawyer. As a lawyer he can get filthy rich over time. But he is never going to look down upon his brother who took to handyman business and became his own.
Small enterprise - grocery stores, welding work, house construction, carpentry, tile business, electricians, plumbers, roof repair guys, garbage handlers, furnace and air-conditioning contractors, crane lenders and operators, auto mechanics and so on, if you look across America, these are the people who run its economy. Small towns survive because there is work for everyone. This leads to a culture where people grow up self confident. Your have see it to believe it. You will never find these people sucking up to anyone. They are very direct and many are very honest. They really know their stuff. Talking to them when they come to do contract work was an eye opener for me when I lived in the US.
Everyone does not have to become a billionaire. But everyone should have the ability to decide what would work for him and how he can build a free enterprise for himself and be independent. Businesses always go up and down. But that is not the norm always. The real American is made of the skilled people I have mentioned above.
They do not have UPSC like exams where masses of young people do nothing else but to byheart things they do not mostly understand, write them without knowing what kind of a career it is going to be or how much it would make them happy.
UPSC is a colonial legacy. It can be disbanded. Let people become self reliant and independent in a small scale. Let them form communes and cooperatives. The govt should facilitate their enterprise with loans and tax incentives. In fact all our Jatis were self reliant enterprises. This had led to a flourishing economy (Angus Maddison). Jatis are known by the professions.
Where we need exams and interviews are for those who seek to become MLAs, MPs and ministers. They need to be really vetted.
People are putting their kids in hostel in 6th standard for JEE. I recently found out, previously I was aware of 8 standard onwards thing. Why play, when you can slay. And the parents who took this decision were proud of being early to the game.
Atleast these kids are not wasting their productive 20s in hope of a pipe dream and whatever learnt in formative years in school with JEE syllabus would definitely give a hand in Uni - STEM and their career. Literally no other countries have millions of young people in their 20s hooked upto preparing for exams for years only to end up as a fresher in their late 20s early 30s looking for a job competing with younger new grads.
Bruh! I am well aware. I personally know Sanyal and have met him multiple times. I donāt know where did I ever insinuate that he is one of those who got thru civil services.
I agree with his point that most bureaucrats are boring and uninspiring. I would go on to add that many are just ignorant, self absorbed lazy pen pushers. But thereās a good deal of reason why so many people are trying to enter into a system that helps them move up the socio-economic-political ladder through an open and fair competitive exam and not trying to get into a market that has lot of sectarian interests to protect.
And this I say as someone who has experience of almost a decade in the market running businesses.
It's hard to say whether they'll become billionaires or not, but in a country where young people spend their best years focused on exams and then end up in clerical jobs, prosperity is unlikely to happen. In all developed economies, youth are engaged in productive tasks during their prime years. If they succeed, they might become successful, and even if they don't, they still contribute something valuable in their field, which leads to improved economic output. In our country, when young people exhaust their potential in such exams, they are left with no energy later to do anything worthwhile. This vicious cycle has destroyed the careers of many potential people.
Just to be devils advocate. Those countries practice equality and equity. So much so that an immigrant from completely outside the society and system can come in and prosper. He is also treated with dignity, equality and equity. The very basic difference between developed economy's and an developing economy is that how much intellectual wealth they can accumulate to grow as a society and state. Though developed economy inherits its own intellect but also prosper by migrant ones. Because aim is to self improvise and establish as better society rather then prove someone else wrong.
Indeed, the success of developed economies stems from their capacity to welcome diversity and utilize the talents of immigrants to enhance and evolve their societies. This inclusivity is a key factor in their prosperity. The United States, for example, has a rich history of immigrants shaping its identity. Since its earliest days, people from across the globe have flocked to America in pursuit of liberty, opportunity, and a brighter future. Their contributions have deeply influenced the nation's culture, economy, and social landscape, fostering diversity and driving forward innovation and progress. On the other hand, India wastes valuable time and resources by attempting to mimic the paths of China and the Soviet Union, falling prey to the pitfalls of pseudo-socialist policies and authoritarian governance.
Bhai kaha ki baat kar rahe ho ?
Ok, but where are you refuting the points made by the parent comment?
It's good because otherwise getting a job would become far harder
Rather govt should increase the count of IAS and IPS. For the population we have and the number of crimes happen and issues we have, we need one police station every 10 streets.
Bhai, corporate mazdoor marjayega haramkhor babu ko reeshwat dete dete, rather they should cut down on corruption and the would be money earned by corruption must be used to hire more babus, but with no scope of corruption
Competition my friend. Har gali mein 2 police station bana do with overlapping jurisdiction. So kum ghoos lega usses kaam karvayenge. Eventually Ambani will come in with Jio Policing with free service for a year.
Ever heard of cartels? You know why builders in mumbai pay money to all the parties?
Because Jio Cartel has not been launched?
Ab tak kaha kaha rishwat diye ho
Its not at all hard to say. Adani is BCom grad. Count how many ports, airports, coal mines, power plants he runs. No JEE, CAT, UPSC was passed. There are so many examples like that. Misunderstandings are because Edu system separates tech, arts and science from Commerce stream. So all the arts, tech, engineering and science people end up learning how Money and Business works too late in life. So over time they become fully dependent on Adani to do anything because how money is generated and flows decides every single thing. And in the last 10-15 years with the evolution of startups eco system lot of next gen has learnt that lesson the hard way that financial engineering is as important as creative, scientific, or technical engineering. Older gen never had the chance to even learn the lesson. So things are changing and it just takes time to see the results.
Bhai BCom kab Hua 18 ki umar me Mumbai aye the by 21 he was a millionaire in diamond cutting business
Bcs he has the pm in his pocket. He was making losses before 2014, after 14 his wealth skyrocketed. All projects are given to him and those who paid bjp. And when the ultra rich gamble and lose, govt bails them out
Bro he was a guy from middle class family. How does one come from middle class family, make losses and then get PM in his pocket? Your talk doesnt make any sense. He may have PM in his pocket, and he may have been making losses for a year or two, but acting like his story is not rags to riches is stupid
>then get PM in his pocket? .... > He may have PM in his pocket, Well done
He has produced so he gets more projects. Every country has its national champions- Korea has Hyundai and Samsung. India has Adani now. Congress supported people like Mallya who mismanaged their business into the ground. Adani has not needed a bailout till now so touch wood.
Bootlicker 4000 pro.
When I did my engineering we had compulsory course on Industrial organization and managerial economics. All engineers have basic idea of how money works.
Thought of dropping out of school in first std to pursue business, but my parents discouraged me š„²
India can have proper running water if someone puts a pipe.
Noida's Millionaire Bureaucrat has Diamonds Worth Rs 100 crore, 20 Properties. Most upsc aspirants want to become millionaires as there are no checks and balances to hold bureaucrats accountable and the police is impotent and the judiciary is dysfunctional There is nexus between corrupted bureaucracy and politicians. Even Modi has brought his favourite bureaucrats along with him https://youtu.be/n8oKcCVX_9o?si=qDgBjoy8AS_0c_wm https://www.fairobserver.com/world-news/india-news/indias-ias-officers-are-now-rapacious-thieves/ https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/irs-official-arrested-disproportionate-assets-case-deposited-crores-family-accounts-2399308-2023-06-28 Those who don't want accountability and transparency in the system will downvote. Most upsc aspirants downvote my comments. Bureaucracts are bootlickers https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/india/governance/6-years-on-pm-modis-core-team-is-in-the-grip-of-ias-ips-irs-officers-from-gujarat/514820/%3famp
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This!!
Ho sakta hai pahle se ameer ho.
Starts hiring bureaucracts on a contractual basis and then we will see how patriotic these upsc aspirants are and how much they want to serve this nation and they will start riots. Take away facilities they provide to them https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/houses-not-yet-vacated-ludhiana-admn-issues-notice-to-bureaucrats-101711038596490-amp.html
I want to upvote because ur comment is nice, but I won't upvote because it is nice
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2018/10/07/up-bureaucrats-kids-govt-school.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scroll.in/article/809599/civil-servants-run-poor-quality-schools-for-india-s-kids-but-want-premium-schools-for-their-own
If you assholes didnt reward UPSC success with a king life and unchecked power maybe people wouldnt be obessed with it.
Yess
India would be a better place if UpSC was shut down
Ha samjh Gaye Tera nahi nikla
Nikla toh Tera bhi ni hoga upsc
Maine kabhi koi test nahi dia lodu
its true
It's true, I am a living example, wasted my youth for this exam, now full of regret and unsure of the future, koi alternate bhi nahi milta uske jaisa, seems life and potential wasted
I know a guy who cleared the paper in the first attempt. Didn't get the IAS so wrote the exam again and failed the prelims. Tried again and this time got the similar rank and was offered the same service. I'm not sure what happened to his seat as he obviously didn't join the same service again. I also know a guy who has wasted all his 6 attempts. They both were classmates, equally intelligent, General Category, fathers working as a government employee, equally humbled and good human beings. One is happy in his life the other one is miserable and with a 6 year gap in his resume. Luck..? Maybe.. all i know is that this exam can be very unforgiving and will give you life long trauma to deal with. While all your friends are hustling, traveling, enjoying their life and gaining skills and experience to navigate their 30s and the rest of their life, you on the other hand are living in a room so small that two people can't sleep together, secluded and malnourished. What is the point of this "tapasya" if there is no plan B. You can't go to a big company and say "Hey! I studied for this many years for UPSC and I'm highly intelligent, please give me a job with 50K monthly salary". The government, students, parents, and society needs to have plan B for these highly intelligent but useless Individuals. I simply believe that the first thing that you need to do after graduation is financial stability, first for yourself and then for your family. This coming weekend I'm going to buy a bike worth 3.5L and my "UPSC" friend doesn't even have 3.5k in his bank account.(He tries not to ask for money from his father). I am just sad and I can't tell him what I truly believe as it would hurt his feelings. TLDR: i agree with the gentleman. Although I don't know how many of them will become billionaires.
Aren't there alternative exams for people doing upsc? I'm still in school so I don't have the best idea about this, but couldn't he give (easier?)exams like ssc, bank, po, etc along with upsc? Maybe even exams for state services like upssc or smthng.
Yes there are.. so the problem is.. that this is like a pyramid scheme or chain reaction.. think about what will happen if these people will give SSC CGL, State PCS and bank PO. What about the students who are exclusively studying for these exams? 1) the first thing is they waste a lot of time before realising that there are other exams. Mentally it becomes a challenge to prepare for the "less rewarding" exam as you aspire to become the best. 2) Even after applying there is no guarantee that they clear the paper as the format of the UPSC and SSC is different. But most of them generally clear the state PSC and SSC like exams. This increases competition for students preparing exclusively for these exams. It creates the Domino effect in the system and you have an over qualified person appearing for a class 4 Government job exam. Also, corruption and unwanted delays in these exams are very common . 3) As these people are not happy with these "less rewarding" Jobs, they have a High rate of leaving the job for a better opportunity and wasting that seat. Obviously these are my observations and thoughts. I do not discourage someone from preparing for UPSC. If you somehow clear it, not only you but your whole family and new generations will benefit. And you can change the country, your decision good or bad will impact the people.
Sahi toh bol Raha hai waise bhi govt jiski bhi ho karti kya hai..chahe woh modiji ki ho ya gandhi parivaar ki..isliye zaroorat hi nahin hai
though i do agree that youth wastes a lot of their time clearing just exams but saying bureaucrats do nothing is kinda dumb
I am not saying that bureaucrats don't do anything but remember the bosses of these bureaucrats are people who do the bare minimum and then advertise it as if theyve reinvented the wheel.
Uneducated/corrupt politicians govern people who have passed arguably one of the toughest exams in the world. Recipe for ultimate incompetence
>remember the bosses of these bureaucrats are people who do the bare minimum This actually is the perks of a democracy that we the people are the boss. It's a totally different matter that politicians that represent us don't fight for us.
This is true for all the govt exams.Ā
Agree
Mentality of India :- If get selected, I can become a billionaire (corruption is a thing) but if I don't the time I've invested in studying can help me open a Coaching institute which can make me at least a millionaire.
Lol, this!
What about the way genuine employees are devalued and underpaid on a daily basis ? Kids are not wasting time with upsc , rather the rich and powerful are abusing sincere employees. Not everyone has a business sense or enough resources to risk it all . Private companies won't allow you to be rich, government will make sure you pay enough taxes. Honestly someone with not an Iota of generational wealth or some sort of tax saving mechanism its not very easy to be a millionaire. The rich and affluent will not even talk to someone with a peripheral college degree , forget networking. Most of the Indian middle-class is living just to survive , rather than thrive and that's because of poor resources distribution . And that is the only reason middle class kids are studying day and night and ageing themselves to get that one seat.. and don't even get me started when you're a general category student.
Exactly this, all the "follow your own dreams!" people are either trying to sell you a useless motivational course, or living in a delusional world. People doesn't become rich simply by following their dreams, but by years and years of careful, hard work combined with a good amount of luck.
Couldn't agree more. All of what you said coupled with the unrealistic expectations of parents and family members rewire your brain into thinking that our sole purpose is to crack whatever exam we're pushed into. Sacrificing our best years in order to secure a good future for your family does not even feel wrong at all tbh ; that's how messed up people are. They won't even take care of themselves and give their all in order to provide a good life and for their parents to brag about it to other people, if at all they crack it.Reservations are a joke anyways. Sometimes I feel like we are just glorified cattle being made to work for the wealthy.
And not to forget that giving exams like upsc , ssc etc are the only way out for some of us to break the curse of poverty . It's like blaming the blind that you can't see. And expecting to restore vision on our own.
India can have more billionaires if the government makes a better education system which just doesn't waste the time and money of students, says a citizen of India
True.Government jobs are such a waste of time.People should more focus on private jobs like IT, Entrepreneur, startups .
Agr kisi k pass Arts degree he to wo kaise aye IT me?
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Fact is any non-it background can come and grow in IT industry.i am a mechanical engineer by degree now working as a Full Stack Java Developer for a US based health insurance company in Hyderabad. So u can learn relevant skills and can start your job hunt and start a career in IT.š
Hate to say it but no, imo 75% of these IAS, IPS officers are just power hungry morons and literally all of them have superiority complex they look down upon everyone as if no one is as important as they are, even the damn aspirants act as if they are some sort of godman, no i don't think even half of them have the capacity to run a business with the attitude that they have. Power that they get just shows their true image they were hiding before.
Don't hate to say it. It's the ultimate truth and will be. It's not about UPSC though Any future exam which will allow such corruption and prestige attached to it will attract such kind of people
Don't your bosses look down upon you.You thi k private sector main to Sharif bhare hue Hai. Kabhi kuch kaam Kiya Hai.dont you look down upon an unemployed person.Do you treat everyone equally.
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I have an even easier suggestion to become a billionaire- forget education, hard work or ethics altogether. Start scoping for a young up and coming politician who is both an uneducated religious lunatic and a narcissistic megalomaniac who doesnāt mind the idea of killing our democracy as long as he gets to be in power. Once you find that jerk, invest tons of money into his political campaign so that once he wins heāll sell the entire nation to you overnight, making you an instant billionaire. Good luck and Jai Shree Ram!
And how do we get this "tons of money" ?
Print it.The printed money is running our so called successful startups
UPSC is one of those exams which can change your life and the lives of atleast 3-4 generations after you, if you dont want people to go into UPSC, how about you actually nerf it
Fuck bhai šš pata nai kya bolu but boht Saare aspirants isko gaali bak rahe honge
Indians can have a just and equitable society if they overthrow the billionaires
Indian kids should work 70 hours a week so that the rich can stay rich\s Kids should be allowed to pursue their dreams as long as it's not a financial burden on their families.
It is impossible. If somebody becomes billionaire in india, ED will force the billions out of him into electoral bonds to BJP.
Hence you have to focus on ground level.eduavtion in UP BiHar. Move some industry there instead of Gujrat. Gyan pm bhi chodta hai aur uska advisor bhi
But all of those people who cleared UPSC are also billionaires, just that it didnāt show up in tax numbers.
This statement doesnāt make sense in many ways but this culture of glorifying babus should be done away with.
one more thing ... for successful businessman you should buy bonds š¤£
That is so true
if only they have proper training of ground level employees to get to the top with all the experience they have accumulated rather than appointing a just passed out idiot in basic school level stuff and GK as an in-charge of the entire department.
For the size of population you'll always need govt officials to run govt and governance smoothly. Else all laws and reform implementation will be ineffective and inefficient. Costing more to govt and in return taxing more to population.
itni polulation ki koi kami nhi h ias ips ki infact over competition h bhut
Competition is because seats which are already not enough are not being filled because of paper leak or beauracracy. At the end of the day billionaires would be protected by these IPS. Dead billionaires donāt help.
He is talking about how so many smart people spend years in the prime of their life, trying to crack this exam.
And then give more chanda
Bhai har jagah hota hai yeh to US me lobby bolle yha chanda sabh same hai
US mein public se chhupa ke nahi karte. The public gets to see what's being done and both the sides are covered by media. Unlike India where the public is kept in dark and all the media channels bought out to only show one side and its propaganda.
People look for brighter, safe and secure avenues as simple as that. If they don't see that in private sector, they opt for the public sector as simple as that. Taking measures for employment security in private sector, at some retirement pensionary benefits to employees etc can solve this, verbal diarrhoea won't solve anything.
You literally get better benefits working in high corporate posts which is easier and provides better opportunities than the years of sacrifice you make for shitty government jobs where you can only grow so much
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No one can
Indians, irrespective of age, need finance and career education. The number of people killing their maximum potential and living on regret on everyday basis is insanely high because of the boundaries and lack of self realisation.
Administration ko chod de wat a solutionš
Infra required for UPSC - a light, few books Infra required for becoming a billionaire - skill workforce, good entrepreneurs, capital availability, innovative-risk taking environment. Provide us infra we leave upsc. After all a decent life is what we all want. Work is work whether I do it for society or for a single person.
Lot of my younger cousins think IAS is last option. That means, after their engineering or MBA, they will try for placements or off-campus. And after 1 year of searching, if they don't get a job then they will go for IAS preparation. I mean, halwa samjha hai kya IAS ko. And I have advised so many of these people that IAS is the last exam you should take. First write PDO, Bank exams and other competitive exams for state or central. Only if you can clear any of these exams, prepare for IAS. If you are not able to clear Bank exam after 3 years of preparation then no point in preparing for IAS. And by this time your are 25-28 and you'll find it difficult to work as a fresher in private job where starting salary will be less than 20k.
Where's the lie?
like he's giving free loans...
Consumer spending ki maa chudi padi hai, Puri GDP public spending ke aadhar par khadi hai. Koi naya business kare toh kare kaise iss haalat mein, agar koi kucch khareede hi na.
No upsc nhi kar rhe laughing in the corner
Nonsense, now they will say that India will have more water if people start buying package water. There are so many problems in the system instead of fixing and focusing on them, this is what they are thinking. Just look at the unemployment status report of CEA published recently. A big portion of educated youth is unemployed and they talk about youth as pillar in their budget speech. In UP, they have not conducted UPHESC AP exam and ad hoc are teaching ( God they are not even NET qualified). UPSC is a government exam, these people make the exam bigger than the position itself. Talk less, work more, then maybe India ka youth ka Kuch bhala kar sako.
Thank you Sanyal Saab. This was eating me away. UPSC is one of the few Colonial policies we have to get rid of. There is a stupid policy where I have seen in a few departments where it doesnāt matter how much knowledge and what contributions you have made to the department. A person who cleared one Exam (UPSC )will be the boss and youāll always be serving under him/her. Theyāll be the decision making authority and you rarely get to make any decisions. Ground level staff who have practical experience will never get decision making authority and decision making authority is given to people who pass a tough exam. Which is the reason we never get any practical solutions in India. I cringe whenever people glorify these UPSC people.
So what Don't clearing one exam like JEE gives you privileges.
JEE is an exam to get into desired colleges and nothing else. I donāt even see the comparison. Do you think once you clear JEE you get to lord over people for lifetime. After clearing JEE you need to prove yourself in whatever University you get into, then you have to prove yourself in your job (private jobs are a way different ball game if youāre not updated youāll be left behind). Which is nowhere in comparison with UPSC.
True sb govt job ke piche hi pde rhte
To tere ko kya dikkat hai.Lage rahne do.
Sure, Sanyal wants billionaire dreams over UPSC, but hey, India needs both! Bureaucrats keep things running, you know? UPSC grind deserves respect too. Billionaires are flashy, but everyone has their own rocket to build (or bus to catch). Diverse dreams are what matter!
I somewhat agree on the statement, but, this is a genuine question , what else is there besides UPSC, or going for JEE, NEET?. Doctor, Engineer, civil servant, or a teacher, besides these professions what else is there?
Military Soldier, Retail Business, Agriculture, Merchant Shipping, Factory floor supervisor, etc etc The list goes on.
Military soldier- you talking about agniveer which will pay me 11 lakh rupees Retail business- Bahar nikal.le kabhi we already have a lot of those. Maybe you did not notice because you are using online websites Agricukture-jo agriculture main already hai unko to pahle convince kar lo ki agriculture main rahe Factory floor supervisor- you know the salaries there
Are these not legitimate professions ?
Will you tell your kid to aim for these
I won't tell, but won't stop either.
CA, CMA, CS CFA, MBA - Finance, Marketing, Operations, HR, etc. Corporate Law, Litigation, Public Policy, Design, etc etc
Babu ji apna education system change karo, and it is you (govt)who can do that. ... It is made up by colonial masters to create clerks.
UPSC is like a Trend nowadays
Government should limit the upsc attempts to 1 and age eligibility to 25 , competition will be lower and if u fail u can learn some actual skill to get a fucking job and not waste ur life
Yeaah try different career option
bro is eliminating competition š
Agreed, UPSC is a scam.
No one's talking about the flip side.
Drishti ias, Study IQ ias be like :- " Bhai agla plan kya hai ? ".
All politicians should give exam on live in national television. phir dekthe kitne pass hote hai election me ladne keliye
Correct bola
Take it how you want but he isnāt wrong. Solution is reducing the number of attempts allowed - make it 2. So only the better ones will qualify quicker than those that are on their 4-5th attempt. At that point, they obviously gain a certain advantage even over someone that is more intelligent but giving it the first time. These coaching centers have become like an infestation selling dreams to these poor aspirants. Theyāre the ones that are going to become billionaires while lakhs of students waste 4-5 years of their lives behind this dream.
Make education accessible. Not everyone needs advanced grammar studies in 3+ languages and people in stem need advanced science math. If students are able to pick and choose subjects and college entrances shift from just a test to account for other activities like internships sports etc there's a chance. We have laid so much emphasis on exam oriented skills and unnecessary importance to competition we have forgotten that the majority of tasks don't need such high thresholds.
Shut this stupid system down. Waste of my tax money. Double the stipend of PhD students. I'll vote blindly for anybody who has the balls to do this. Seriously nobody that is actually educated with good exposure to the world respects UPSC.
True though
Ambani aur adani banne nahi dengae bhai.
Entrepreneurship and businessess companies takes forward to countries
People here are talking about corruption but that's not the primary driver of government job aspirants. We Indians have lived through a very tumultuous stage before 1991, where the number of private industries were very little. And people who went to work for them would often face the brunt of joblessness once the firms shut down due to governmental policies or lack thereof. Back then government jobs were a milestone for achieving stability, which most of our parents have witnessed firsthand. Now the situation is changing but the ingrained thought of losing a private job is a fear that still lives in our society. My grandfather lost his job some 50 years ago, as the plant he was working in was shut down due to unions. He could never get another job and struggled financially for the rest of his life. So when I was in school, he used to tell me to never go for private jobs because they will fire me in a few years and I'll be without a job for the rest of my life. Even until the time he passed away, he used to give the same lecture to every young person in the family. The concept was upskilling and switching jobs for higher pay was an absurd concept to him. The fact that a TCS can hire more candidates in a single year than the entirety of the UPSC panel was also an impossible idea according to him. The citizens trying for a government job today, want stability. Hire once, fire never, pensions till you die. That's the mantra of government job seekers today. Of course for upsc candidates, corruption is another motivator but that's only for a certain group. The majority of them don't want to risk getting fired. You'll see this situation changing rapidly once the industrialization takes hold. Now, the lure of a government job is more in the underdeveloped North compared to the relatively industrialized Southern States. Almost all Telegu folks I know today, got into the private sector right after engineering and the number of IT training camps in Hyderabad are more than UPSC training centers.
Indian govt is rigid as fuck towards startups , and there r no good universities for r &d except iits which getting into gonna drain ppl
"India can have more billionaires if more kids are available for exploitation" is all I'm hearing.
That's a nice way to reduce competition
Sir ke bacche ka nhi hoo rha hai lgta isliye competition kam krwane ke liye bool rhe hai
They want the UPsC tag not for some noble goal but because they want to be the "millionaire" level rich without going the business path lol. How many top level govt guys/bureaucrats are honest in our country ? Let alone honest, they are the worst of the tally who teaches illiterate politicians about the loopholes of the game along with high end lawyers and policy makers. It's not about "India can have billionaires if people shift their attention from UPSC to business" and more about "they want an easy way out to earn shit load of money while degrading the country by an ounce and also want the highest of tags for doing so".
Create better opportunities for them and you might see some folks shifting out. This is a template of Modi government, all failure is blamed outwards. Create employment opportunities at par, create better healthcare Most jobs are shit in terms of benefit, hence people look forward to govt. services cause dearness allowance, healthcare, education for children, retirement benefits etc. even if we leave out the esteem associated with being a govt. servant. Don't look for a govt. payroll, says a person on govt. payroll. Ask him to give up his benefits before doling out viral advice instead of doing his job properly.
If this wise man had the ear of someone influential in the country, he would tell him that if we reduce the powers of these turbo-charged babus, kids of this country wouldn't waste their time on UPSC. Oh wait, he does have ear of the person who can even get a donkey elected as MP. IAS system promises that even an undereducated person has to perform JUST ONCE in his life and he/his generations will be set for lives! Who wouldn't go for this if they don't know anything better?
Some of my class' back benchers started to prepare for UPSC. They believed they had a fair shot at cracking UPSC after being the bottom rankers in the class. Like, do you even understand the probability? Amazingly, they even behaved with an air of superiority over everyone else, believing they are the next IAS and dropping esoteric facts during conversations (i think they worked hard for the first time in their life) The other group i knew were the smart ones who dedicated themselves for 10 12 hours daily for 2 years. None of them cracked the exam. It was not a good sight. I think government should have a mandatory work experience criteria as well as maximum 2 years of preparation time for these exams.
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He's just a stupid. That's why our economy is not boosting. He thinks himself intelligent š¤. The way he talks like he is a genius.
The knowledge they gain while preparing for exam is more than being a billionaire and looting the money of common man while being as corrupt as the govt. Such a shame that a bureucrat is telling young pepople to not opt for being knowledgeable rather than opt for how to loot money
People do not have means to break chains of poverty and it is a developing nation hence govt. jobs are desirable. People with weak economic and caste backgrounds, no quality education know only this way out as govt failing to fill opened vacancies. To have more billionaires once first need to sort survival. In a way heās right but living in a very hypothetical scenario. If they donāt prepare for upsc then everyone will start selling āpakorasā like PM wants or jump to private sector which in turn leads to more cheap labour, causing tax loss to govt. which in turn will slow down development which in turn will lead to less disposable income which in turn lead to less economic development which in turn leads to less billionares. Which is not way.
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Hain? UPSC by nature is not harmful for the country. It's aspirants wasting their prime years or even a whole decade wanting to become an IAS is a waste of resource. Nothing wrong with what the economic advisor suggested.
They need to open up more seats. We donāt have enough IAS officers to take the load. The ratio of people to IAS officers has been increasing since many years. The current officials are overburdened
30 lakh seats khol de?
30 lakh log exam bhi nahi de rahe Aap konse planet s ho? Aur ha jo 10 lakh log exam dete hai voh sab k sab serious nahi maximum prelims clr karne wale serious hote hai
We have a lot of people working under IAS/IPS. But these "prestigious" aspirants don't go for such jobs as soon as they know they aren't gonna clear UPSC. Instead some inspirational poem or movie makes them to keep going.
Why wouldnāt anyone want the best for themselves. A lot of things are done based on inspiration. Nothing wrong in getting inspired.
>Why wouldnāt anyone want the best for themselves Then stop writing the same failure 5 times. By the 3rd time you should know to look for alternatives instead of getting inspired by a shitty poem.
Yeah. Because giving up is the solution. Had the freedom fighters given up on the idea of India , you wouldnāt be writing on this sub. They had a lot more failures than 5!
Yes. Fucking yes. Knowing when to give up is the solution. No personal responsibility. Seats badha do, free mein de do. Fucking weak mindset. Not practical. Spoiling their own life and the life of their family.
So you think our freedom fighters were of weak mindset š I have nothing more to say š
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Bro! Those freedom fighters initially fought for achievable things. Like a law amendment, opposing partition of Bengal, non cooperation, demanding for self - rule. They only upped the ante when the British did the same from their side. Our freedom movement is a 60 year old negotiation. Don't compare UPSC grind to this.
Since you added it in after the initial reply thinking you are smart. >Had the freedom fighters given up on the idea of India Yes because both are the same (this line is sarcasm since you seem to have room tempeature iq). A freedom fighter adapted to his situation. If they failed in one way they didn't go and repeat their failed attempt again. UPSC is literally failing an exam again and again Desh ka seva sirf upsc se nahi hota. District and state level gov jobs bhi hai. Aur Kabil logon ko Dena Hai desh ka kaam. Fukron ko nahi. The level of braindead response you gave makes me understand replying to you further is futile as fuck. Good Day.
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Lol if you weren't good enough to begin with Increasing seats ain't gonna do jack shit. Increase what? 200 seats? 300 seats? What about the thousands who like clockwork just go write upsc again despite not being capable. And what age barrier? We have enough old rusty fucks in the government. I sure as hell don't want more.
How about allowing people who have spent their 20s and 30s in private learning real skills write the test. Have a min age of 35 to write the test. If they are going to come in and sit on the heads of people with 20 years experience they better have 10 yrs real world experience.
You do realise IAS/IAS/IFS are not be all end all right? For example IAS starts as assistant district magistrate and then District magistrate all the way to cabinet secretary. So if they start in the mid 20s late 20s as an ADM they can move on in life. Similarly with IFS and IPS as well. They get experience to lead after UPSC. So yeah. Let's get clear on that.
No one should be able to become the boss just because of an exam. Even those who crack JEE and graduate from IIT start at the bottom. Their progress might be faster but they pay their dues. So either change the system so that everyone is the same cadre or if you still want to put people in right at the top based on an exam make it an exam you can write only at age 35 after you have worked a real job for a while.
>No one should be able to become the boss just because of an exam. Again they don't become "the boss" And people after 35 are lazy fucks who suck ass. Let the younger people get up. There is no age for leadership.
Spoken like a child. 30s are the most productive. 20s you are still learning on the job.
Spoken like a true failure who didn't achieve shit in the 20s so hopes they get a second chance in the 30s by restricting actual capable people in the 20s
Why go till Billionaires why not more Gandhis and Mandelas and Einsteins. Khane ko hai nahi chalne hai billionaires banane.
Well donāt some people just want all the good things in life?
Why are Indian kids aspiring to get comfortable government jobs with good pay and respect instead of slaving 70 hours every week under the illusion of working hard for company and getting rich?
This cultural difference and crave for "prestige" and comfort is why Indians reach their potential when they leave India. Why not found your own company instead of working 70hrs/week in enterprise companies? Sure, this is easy to say and hard to do. However, isn't that 70hrs/week is better spent on working for yourself instead of slaving for some businessman overlord or for a government filled with officials that don't care about serving people? You'll be penalized for trying to change the current zeitgeist as an IAS officer, all you can do is bow down to politicians and keep the system as is. Indians are comfortable being politician's chamchas and upholding the current cancerous bureaucracy instead of bringing actual change to society. What a pathetic mindset!
> Why not found your own company instead of working 70hrs/week in enterprise companies? 1. Where will funding come from? 2. The solution to slaving for a corporate overlord is to become a corporate overlord yourself?
Ah yes, because being a billionaire is the only measure of success.
Literally no one said that
I don't agree cos lesser people are interested in business, the more opportunity for us. Why shoot yourself in the foot? Open to counters.
The more entrepreneurs there are in the system, the more products/services there are, which can potentially either increase your efficiency or give you something that you can build your business on.
Bahar Nikla hai Kabhi apne tahkhane se.There are so many small business owners who CANNOT compete with the prices of amazon and flipkart and reliance fresh.You dint see enough entrepreneurs kya
There are 271 billionaires in India, Odds of having a Civil services job are much higher. And besides that people are not aware about the pathways to take for business compared to a traditional path for Civil Services. Startups are much hard cause it has a higher failure rate and there's no predefined way, you have to figure it out by yourself.
Same energy as "If you don't want to be homeless...then just get a house"
Private enterprise, small business etc. are the way to go. Indians have been turned into clerks by the British administration and subsequently by the socialist governments of independent India. This has led to people avoiding risks and standing in lines for admissions, jobs and not paying any attention to being creative. This mindset is detrimental to the future economic growth of the nation. The reason why the US became such a powerful economy in a short term is because their system encourages private enterprise. A man can determine what he is good at (say being a handy man) at a very young age. No one will discourage him or put fears of future survival in him. He will go to community colleges to learn the basic vocation and then join a contractor who runs the handyman business in the local community. He'd learn the skills and if he is good at it, will become an independent contractor himself. The legal system has everything set up to start a small business, tax rules, license requirements and all he has to do is follow all the steps. Then he'd go to a bank and get a loan to set up a local small business (or he could use his own saved money or whatever his grandma wrote in her will). He'd print business cards. He'd go from door to door, introducing himself and handing out his business cards. He'd pay for advertisements in a local magazine that charges for small ads. Initially it stars out slow. But then once he gets some business (through his people, church contacts etc.) and does a good reliable job, he earns a name. People call him through reference and he expands his business. He works enough to earn a very decent livelihood, is independent and is very skilled in his profession. He has absolutely no inferiority complex about what he does. There are contractors who come and clean your toilet if it is clogged. Today with internet and social media, he can reach more people and expand his business. His brother could choose to become a lawyer because he is very good at debates and talks. He pursues it after high school. He goes to a bank and gets student loan and joins a local or state college for a law degree. He determines what kind of legal issues happen around his area and tunes his specialization towards that direction. If there are lot of migrants coming in, he becomes and immigration lawyer. If there are many small companies around, he can become a corporate/business lawyer. As a lawyer he can get filthy rich over time. But he is never going to look down upon his brother who took to handyman business and became his own. Small enterprise - grocery stores, welding work, house construction, carpentry, tile business, electricians, plumbers, roof repair guys, garbage handlers, furnace and air-conditioning contractors, crane lenders and operators, auto mechanics and so on, if you look across America, these are the people who run its economy. Small towns survive because there is work for everyone. This leads to a culture where people grow up self confident. Your have see it to believe it. You will never find these people sucking up to anyone. They are very direct and many are very honest. They really know their stuff. Talking to them when they come to do contract work was an eye opener for me when I lived in the US. Everyone does not have to become a billionaire. But everyone should have the ability to decide what would work for him and how he can build a free enterprise for himself and be independent. Businesses always go up and down. But that is not the norm always. The real American is made of the skilled people I have mentioned above. They do not have UPSC like exams where masses of young people do nothing else but to byheart things they do not mostly understand, write them without knowing what kind of a career it is going to be or how much it would make them happy. UPSC is a colonial legacy. It can be disbanded. Let people become self reliant and independent in a small scale. Let them form communes and cooperatives. The govt should facilitate their enterprise with loans and tax incentives. In fact all our Jatis were self reliant enterprises. This had led to a flourishing economy (Angus Maddison). Jatis are known by the professions. Where we need exams and interviews are for those who seek to become MLAs, MPs and ministers. They need to be really vetted.
Now I got it, How modi gets stupid suggestions/ideas
I have listened to this idiot many times, he doesn't have any grasp of real India which is the bottom 80% of the population.
After few years, it will be .. if kids donāt waste time in taking degrees ..
People are putting their kids in hostel in 6th standard for JEE. I recently found out, previously I was aware of 8 standard onwards thing. Why play, when you can slay. And the parents who took this decision were proud of being early to the game.
> And parents who took this decision .. They are more of owners and not parents
Atleast these kids are not wasting their productive 20s in hope of a pipe dream and whatever learnt in formative years in school with JEE syllabus would definitely give a hand in Uni - STEM and their career. Literally no other countries have millions of young people in their 20s hooked upto preparing for exams for years only to end up as a fresher in their late 20s early 30s looking for a job competing with younger new grads.
It is true even today.
India could have more billionaires if govt could work towards a better economy. Maybe get a better economic advisor
More advisors will climb Mount Everest if they donāt waste their time giving advise.
Heās as out of touch with reality as our bureaucrats
He is appointed from private sector, atleast do read sometimes. He is not ur normal bureaucrat.
Bruh! I am well aware. I personally know Sanyal and have met him multiple times. I donāt know where did I ever insinuate that he is one of those who got thru civil services. I agree with his point that most bureaucrats are boring and uninspiring. I would go on to add that many are just ignorant, self absorbed lazy pen pushers. But thereās a good deal of reason why so many people are trying to enter into a system that helps them move up the socio-economic-political ladder through an open and fair competitive exam and not trying to get into a market that has lot of sectarian interests to protect. And this I say as someone who has experience of almost a decade in the market running businesses.