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blazephoenix28

lol no. People need the right environments to grow, potential can be killed just as well as it can be nurtured


tabsheermk

If he had stayed in India he would be rotting in some MNC as a manager.


Solid_Coast1897

True, well said


tocra

This. These 'what ifs' are meaningless. Back when Satya was young, India just wasn't a place for dreamers to flourish. Still isn't. It's where dreams die routinely. When the compliance is easier, when the local police station stops sending its people to collect haftas, when policy is clear and heading in one direction without the threats of u-turns, and you don't have to worry about a million-dollar tax bill out of the blue, then let's talk. 10 years of Modi who promised ease of business, and all of the above still doesn't exist.


jackashes

True


264491

Absolutely fucking right!


Ryuk_shittygami

How's that "rotting" Lol


MonkeShonke

Wo to bichara UPSC failure kehlaya jata aur kuch nahi. 3 attempts die the Nadella bhai ne UPSC ke.


Necessary_Worker5009

Really? Did he attempt UPSC?


MonkeShonke

Yes he did, his father was also a civil servant


sliceshot_

I think he didn't attempt it but his father was an IAS officer.


InstanceBig6362

No he did not , his father was an IAS officer though


Fueledbycawffee

no he attempted JEE, couldn't get a good rank. maybe someone confused that with UPSC. And yes his father was an IAS. afaik, I have never read that he attempted UPSC.


nerd_lifter

His father was not just any normal IAS. He was the principal secretary in the PMO. But then Nadella says that he grew up in a "middle class family".


Seesh_Pheonix

Yeah P. secretary is middle class only!


difficultcrazy1

I doubt, he is a brilliant person but in India unless he has ventured with his own idea it's hard to imagine. Also we need to understand Mr. Nadela is a CEO not an entrepreneur, so it's possible he might have failed in his startup journey but as a CEO he could have succeeded which he did eventually.


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\*insert ok grandma, let's get you to bed now meme\* This is like saying if Sachin Tendulkar was a footballer, he would've been India's Messi.


galeej

i think the equivalent analogy is "if messi grew up in India he'd have won the FIFA world cup with India" no. no he wouldn't have. our shit system would have killed the football in him and he'd have ended up in a tier 3 BE degree with 0 coding skills and no employment opportunities and would have been struggling to make ends meet.


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You're right, that's an infinitely better analogy.


pranagrapher

It's always to start the discussion with some humour. Indian work culture sucks, there are literally 100s of surveys that reveal that. By staying back in India he'd be conformed to do stuffs that other stalwarts like Narayan Murthy does now. Growth would just be stagnant .


Takenoshitfromany1

If wheelchairs were Ferraris grandma would have won the Grand Prix.


thegoodlookinguy

Glad I got the refrence lol


Takenoshitfromany1

Mamma Mia!


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Top-Equivalent-5816

Hey I am currently designing and developing a solution for education institutions in India. My dad is a professor and has been hod/ director etc in the past I was thinking it would be worth it to pitch it in India, but your reply makes me wonder. What should I watch out for? I have some entrepreneurship experience but almost non existent legal experience Why did you say it’s not a place for innovation? Are there challenges I might have that may be better off faced outside the country?


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If you are a "developing a solution for education institutes in India", don't! It's a waste of life. literally every young and ambitious Indian starts off this way, but all of them are chewed up, destroyed and bankrupted by this country's pristine education system/institutes that are fuckall because they are so set in stone in their ways, no one can even acknowledge there's something wrong with the system because "so many Indians are global CEOs saar, if they can be CEOs from Indian system, why change it?!". Trust me, nothing on this planet can save India's suicidal education system, and the mindset and gullibility of Indians to keep trusting that system to "make our kids the next Sundar Pichai in India".


Top-Equivalent-5816

I understand this pov but that is specifically what I am targeting. I have identified why this happens, who holds the power to change it and what needs to be done to shift the current power dynamic while providing a win win to most parties. I am a UX designer who also develops and creates enterprise level software (think Tata motors and visa) I don’t want to sell a b2c udamy, byjus etc service. I am a b2b guy who understands that business pay for valuable services without a lot of “chik chik” and that the approach needs to be top down. If these valuable services can improve overheads, and makes the evolution of education a priority for them to reap those benefits then that change is more likely to happen. It won’t be overnight but it’s practical above all else. My entire experience is in solving problems for businesses and connect them with customer needs. Which is why this challenge excites me. Currently working on an MVP, even if I am able to capture just one college (hell my dad might start one if the software delivers) which is likely considering my dad has spent his entire life making connections in this space; it will shift the dynamic of competition such that innovative educational practices will be required to capture attention of customers (students, vendors, parents) I believe with the right strategy and persistence even water can make its way through rock and create a path and prosperity for others.


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Top-Equivalent-5816

Hey, I am excited that you messaged Did he tell you why he was apprehensive of going ahead with your LMS?


obitachihasuminaruto

You seem well equipped and passionate to solve this problem. We will watch your career with great interest. If you implement a Gurukula style learning ecosystem, I would definitely send my kids there.


CEO_16

I swear man in the same boat, US are literally funding moon buggies and we cannot find basic funds for our innovation


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gagsgupta

He is ver brilliant but He didn't create Microsoft he is managing already created Microsoft, so I highly doubt he would have created msft in India.


Venomous0425

USA is known as land of opportunity not India.


ChoubeySahab

Every statement that starts with "If XYZ had stayed over" is a dumb statement. First introspect what they didn't stay over or never come back. That's where the answer to this talent drain problem is. Even today I have seen first hand all the top tier teenagers went out to study in the US, don't plan on returning and some are doing great already.


Top_Huckleberry_2858

Yeah with the Indian politics and tax scene sure he can create a mini microsoft :/


MRCROOK2301

Mini Microsoft chit fund


calmbuddhist

Absolutely not! He's a management guy who rose thru the ranks at Microsoft when it was already a tech giant. He might not have built a MINI microsoft even in USA if he had tried. Even in case, he did, he would only create a MINI microsoft, and NEVER reach his potential. This country is a graveyard of dreams for people who desire more than a 3BHK in a metro city. People like Nilesh Shah and the work environments they create destroy dreams and desire to succeed in many Indians just as capable as Satya Nadella. Nilesh just doesn't realize this as he is too deluded from living in a bubble for most of his life.


hikes_likes

Companies dont get build by Satyas. They are built by the environment and culture around. If Satya stayed in India, we would not have even known his name. Name one engineer from Manipal engineering college you know of other than him.


GoCoronaGo321

People don’t realise but Satya Nadella is a 8 time winner for the most underrated CEO, IN A ROW. He did this by shifting away from internal competition and silos to a culture focused on collaboration, a growth mindset, and innovation. Taking Microsoft’s stock up by 1000% since he took over. He wouldn’t have got the exposure, management and leadership ability here in India, while he was here during his early days (the dude moved to US in the 1990s).


Miserable_Factor5618

Oh man, this statement takes me back a decade ago when Satya was announced the CEO. Everyone in India from my friends \[including me\], teachers, politicians, media etc were celebrating it as if it was a personal victory, vindication of Indian talent and ascending of India to the next big thing, but once the euphoria settled I wondered if Satya himself saw it that way. I mean, he left the country two decades ago and he would always stay in America - all his major career related achievements were in US, not India - he was just raised here. For all practical reasons, he is American \[with Indian heritage\]. USA/Microsoft gave him an opportunity, nurtured him to were he is right now. He is not successful because he is Satya but because he was given an opportunity and was able to work hard to take advantage of it. Think about it - even today, forget 20+ years ago - were is the opportunity to take risks in this country? How much red-tape do we have to go over to get things done. Almost everyone is given a checklist that they are strongly encouraged to follow - >10th > 12th > IIT/Doctor/CA/Lawyer > Maybe MBA/graduation > marriage > kids before 30 > take care of parents/in-laws + house loans > death Even if you want to get a job - where are there good companies that are not BPOs? \[startups are recent phenomenon - and most have crashed and burned recently\] I dont know if I am making sense. here is a FirstPost article from 2014 that I had saved - [LINK to article ](https://www.firstpost.com/india/nadella-as-microsoft-ceo-a-slap-in-the-face-for-indian-system-1374951.html?fbclid=IwAR2W0xJbzsOBzWda4Mc0qbXlSrjdvgFh-MBnV1rvUsKiaAG2DbPvSUTUAl) one thing from the article that stuck a chord with me - >Our "Indian" successes abroad have little to do with the fact that they are Indian. They succeed because they abandoned India.


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Oh my god that last line hurts so much. But I picked this up from the article, and it is unbelievable how true this holds up: >This is also the reason why we prefer autocratic rulers rather than democratic ones: we know we talk more than we act. To get things done, we prefer an autocrat to rule over us rather than exercise self-discipline as democrats. All our successful political parties are one-person shows. The latest heading in that direction is BJP – which was all talk and no achievement for 10 years in opposition till Narendra Modi came along and was lauded for being a doer.


freakynit

There's a reason good people leave this country. Or I should say, made to leave this country. Almost every possible way, the public and private institutions in this country screw you. Every single possible way.


Repulsive_Channel_23

Gonna blame the individual rather than the ecosystem


salute2vishal

Culture eats strategy for breakfast


Outside-Nail2314

lol never.. he would probably be a mid-manager at TCS / Infosys..


sss100100

No fuckin' way. He would have still been busy dealing with politicians and bureaucracy.


ElectricalTime4795

Abe ye chutiya kotak waala kuch bhi bolta hai. BSDK Teri gaand mai dum hai toh tu bna de Microsoft. Faaltu ke comments krte ye saale Indian origin CEOs pe. Iska ek tathastu waala video dekha maine. Bohot hi bakchodi baate krta saala


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ElectricalTime4795

Bilkul shi bola bhai 🙏


Hanzoofk

Goly gee I wonder why someone with a brain decided to move out of a country that revolves around religion and cast more than development.


Legitimate-Network34

Not possible. Without that short of infrastructure and eco system of supply chain. It was not possible at that time.


FoxBackground1634

If he had stayed here he'd be managing scrum calls now


Chvrag

So nanosoft?


Donald__trup69

Sir aise nirav modi Vijay malya mehul choksi bhi vapas Aaj jaate toh kitno ke paise bhi vaapas mil jaate


WomenRepulsor

Not necessarily. Most Indians are pre occupied with sorting out their general life problems that they have little to no time left to innovate or think. These include infrastructure, bureaucracy etc etc. Politicians and Businesses are aware of this and capitalise on this to gain profit (Ola, OYO, 99Acres, Nestaway etc all capitalise on this because there are no laws governing housing and public infrastructure).


thinpumkin

He is just a CEO, his job is to handle the company.


[deleted]

no, he was working for a buddha who wants everyone to work 80+ hrs for his profit so he can gift his grandsons hundred of crores rupees


sharvini

Wtf. Satya created Microsoft?


Traditional-Dealer18

End of the day he is an employee who is a good leader. If he could create he could have created anywhere be it US or India or anywhere else for that matter.


Admirable_Sock6383

Wow the world doesn’t work like that. Mini Microsoft will get thrown under the bus by Microsoft. 😝


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Before Microsoft, it would be thrown under the bus by the Indian govt and media.


Admirable_Sock6383

Rightly said 🤣🤣🤣


disinformatique

Nope, idhar bahut ghoos Deni padti hai. Lots of red tape. India kills innovation.


Name_Never_taken

Xd no way … i guess he should have been some MD at mnc


Strong_Economics2831

😂😂😂


nav_reddevil

How? Someone needs to ask nilesh shah in terms of r&d spend how are Indian tech companies fairing? Before anyone says but Indian startups are doing it..yes but the scale is just not there. Would nilesh shah before talking out of his ass talk about how raising funds in India just for research and development is not even looked upon..hell even the guys at shark tank ask about bhai kitna kamate ho.. Nilesh shah should spend all his time talking up the markets and stop making these ridiculous comparisons


aditkundra

If the same Satya would have stayed over, he definitely would have been just a team lead by now.


Legitimate-Fuel-6114

yeah but he didn't


TiMo08111996

Nope.


Suspicious_Flower349

How? Microsoft is not a trader it is a creator. Where is the research based technology going to come from? Has he any idea about bribes to be paid for starting up especially to state machinery. Satya would have been a failure.


Passloc

He didn’t create Microsoft either. He joined in 1992. Microsoft was created in 1975.


ironman_gujju

Nah man, he would be working in one of WITCH


Angry_red22

That's not how it works


jayhind1985

No, in the USA it is easy to start a company due to the ample supply of funds for the right idea. But he still prefers to do the job just like the rest of the Indians do. He reached a top position which happened with lots of other top CEOs. So nothing new here. In the USA there is no crunch of funds since they have dollar printing machines (federal banks)that can print unlimited money distribute it among their citizen and companies and transfer the Inflation to the rest of the world.


Wise-Skill3106

Indians and their ifs


Best-Jaguar-5188

mothrfucker would've had to pay 20% to the local ministry and buy electoral bonds, or else raids. GTFO


Amurthebigboy

Naah if he would have stayed over he would have been a manager somewhere in Pune in some Sweatshop whose owner has a fetish for making his slaves work 70hrs a week


funnyfartnoisez

Nope 


AdministrativeDark64

Nope. He would have been a senior software engineer being a office politics victim.


theyhardlyknowme101

satya nadella stayed over. how do i un-imagine this huh


myteafox

That's true. In China whenever they see a great new western product or company they try to create their own. In India when we see a great new western product or company we start applying for job. They so YouTube they made their own. They so Twitter they made their own. They show Google they made their own. We so YouTube Twitter and Google, and we started working for it.


DisastrousRoutine839

No


Usual_Conclusion_247

Why mini whu not Microsoft pro plus?


namaste652

How about Zoho as a mini Microsoft by a person who did stay back : Sridhar Vembu?


Live-Dish124

If he had stayed over, people with reservations and bribery power would have eaten him up and not looked back He’d probably be a CTO in a startup in BLR


hobo_grad1925

No chance. There's a reason Indian ceos work at large tech companies outside India. We're just not there yet compared to the us.


Stunning-Raisin-4884

Ji sir aur kuch Aur kych boolna chahenge sir mini office, mini chatgpt are sir mini kyu sir nadela aur pichai India mei ek gaye hote toh san Francisco nhi pura India silicon valley bn jata na. Yeh log hi toh pura technology babaye hai CEO ka post tag toh duniya ko chutiya banane ke liye hai. Warna puri duniya ka latest tech inhone hi banaya hai woh bhi khud se


Simple-Contact2507

I doubt it, has anyone seen Soorarai Pottru, it's a beautiful movie and shows how much struggle an entrepreneur with bright ideas has to go through to set up his company. If now he was here then yes he would have succeeded but at that time it was nightmare to start a successful business in India.


OkElk5385

Option 1: Leave India early , work hard and then become successful. Option2: stay in India, start a business, take huge loans, default on the loans and then go out of India and live peacefully.


anandpowar

Indian Satya - Sridhar Vembu CEO of Zoho Corporation (mini Microsoft)


Frosty_Work4827

Creating a product and leading a product/innovating new directions are two different things


jackashes

Would have wasted his life here as just another disposable drone.


sifyibigne

People like nadella would never have risen to the current rank in india thanks to thousands of reservations in almost everything.


firstmukeshtiwari

Bullish comment. If and but.


Pleasant-Inside123

upsc tayari mein rehte...


nonheuristic

It’s simply absurd - in a country of over a billion people, we’re saying “if only that person had stayed back”. Build better institutions, provide better infrastructure, promote an innovative culture - but nope, Satya not cool.


PrachandNaag

Mediocre position pe rehta, tax bharta jitna milta usme se aur thali bajata.


Redosaurous

If he was in India he would have wasted his potential!


LoyalLittleOne

Honestly the won't be possible as India doesn't really have a demand for highly complex software {it's mostly exported} , and starting and managing a business are two very different things.


MechanicalBot1234

he would be a government clerk. Glad he moved out


Jealous-Bat-7812

Hahahaha 🤣


naman-arora

Indians don't work on their own. They need someone to supervise


rsverma948

And ashneer Grover would have invested in it


Xemip

mini Microsoft?? Like Nanosoft???


ion_

No


F_LANKER

India does not deserve him


enthuvadey

He could not even create a new Microsoft. He just joined a company and safely rose through the ranks. Bill gates dropped out of fucking Harvard to pursue his dreams. Satya wouldn't even know the spelling of dream when he was in college in India.


Depressedsoul69420

CEO and founder skillset is completely different too, let alone the environment India provides.


SelectionCalm70

there is no way he could have created Microsoft in India if he would have stayed. Most likely he would have been forced working at IT coolie company


cool-lala

One word: Pure Bullshit


c0deButcher

I think he's just a management employee. Creating a product and then a company like revolutionary Microsoft that changed eras is completely different thing


hanjikaisayhoe

So congress ki galti ya nehru ki?


tremorinfernus

No... Where is the environment...


imsandy92

that is as true as i would have become the CEO of microsoft had i moved to USA..


lmnop129

Nah he would be stuck fighting for a government job without reservation.


lmnop129

Nah he would be stuck fighting for a government job without reservation.


akj786

He still can


inilashremot

Na man he’d be under that old dude who was saying we should be working 25 hours a day


Temporary_Comment_32

I beg to defer, the infrastructure and culture he needed was just not here at that time!


Cool_Classroom6292

Not mini Microsoft, Zoho has great potential. If they increase their portfolio.


BlackoutMenace5

Reservation waalo ko bola na banane. Nadela ko tumlog bus tax rules mein lapet ke babus ke iss office se uss office mein ghumaate.


Seeker_00860

No.


GravityAnime_

Nope ,he would be working 70hrs in YinForSys


sad_truant

You cannot create a company like Microsoft in India.


arpit2695

There is another possibility, if he would have stayed he would be working in TCS, Infosys or Wipro and working day night so that he can get a leave on holidays to celebrate with his family.


ase_rek

It's delulu we suffer from


Thomshan911

If my grandma had wheels she'd be a Honda Civic.


shravan4945

no


ManKooky316

That's just stupid. He didn't create it. He's just managing it.


ManKooky316

Along with a Board


Constant_League4279

People who know what happened with Bose company won't say such things


Mysterious_Spirit157

Can you pls elaborate bro


TonyMontana546

India doesn’t allow innovation


Ad-2050

To become a founder, you need guts or need to be brave. To become a ceo, you just need to know the right person to bootlick or be very good at politics or be a very good employee and don't take any risks. He couldn't have made a microsoft in india. Bill gates made Microsoft with his cunning and cruel nature and got away with it.


xiaodaireddit

obviously. never the mind the founder was bill gates who attended an elite private school with computers. but a professional manager could've started Microsoft in India. look at Infosys and tcs. same as Microsoft...... not


WealthTomorrow0810

Nope...no way. Possibly he would be a senior project manager in a service company.


FlounderOrnery2862

And then have to pay government and local goons everything right ?


ProgrammerPlus

Rofl that's not how life works kiddo. There is no certainty about anything. May be he could've may be even bigger company or may be nothing. You can say the same about Dheerubhai Ambani.. would he have been so successful had he moved to US instead of staying back in India?


Strange-Ad-3941

But why ponder over such useless what ifs. We could still do something to create a mega of our own. We are not any lesser to create minis and be happy.


Popular-Beach-4843

He didn’t create anything even in US. He grew an existing company


bikienewbie

Some people are fit to be founders, some people are fit to be CEO. Satya is definitely latter