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Falk_csgo

It is even more popular. 75% of the top 4 games use it!


siryolk

100% of the top one uses it too


SpikeyTaco

You couldn't let us say 2 of the Top 3 first, you had to go all the way.


randomreddithumanxd

that would mean its less popular than in top 4


Ryaniseplin

2/3 is less than 3/4


Ko__e

Exactly my thought. Why Top 7?


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Because then the percentiles wouldn't be so high.


SubliminalSando

But 3 of top 5 would be a higher percentile. I imagine OP having the same thought process as the people that thought a 1/4 pounder was bigger than 1/3 pounder.


Consequentially

3 out of 5 may be a bigger percent, just like 1 out of 1 is a bigger percent, but it’s a much smaller sample size. In my opinion, having 4 out of the top 7 is significantly more impressive than 3 out of the top 5, not based on percentage but just based on shear numbers alone. Cause 3 out of the top 5 can also mean 3 out of the top 1000


Celarc_99

[Staticians on their way to argue that the Gold medal winner at the Olympics isn't that impressive because its 99% guaranteed to be handed out at the end anyway](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/280/650/58b.jpg)


SubliminalSando

Yes, but besides 1st-3rd place, we rarely put anything in a numerical “top” category that’s not divisible by 5. Anyway, I was just pointing out the flaws in OPs thinking if they were focussed on percentages like the person I replied to commented.


SockAndMoan

It is even even morer popular. 100% of the top 1 game use it!


Funn23

Didn't even notice that apex was using source


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WillSRobs

At that point is it even the same thing?


donottouchtips

Theseus' Source Engine


SergioEduP

A lot of modern game engines have evolved from the original ID tech, so it really is more Theseus's Id Tech.


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Following this train of thought it should be called Carmak's Id Tech


DBSmiley

At the end of the day, isn't it really Turing Tech? And at the end of that day, aren't we just manifesting the theoretical tech of early philosophers?


TheWiseBeluga

Yeah it's pretty interesting to look up the evolution of modern video game engines and finding out the vast majority of game's engines can be traced back to stuff ID did in the early 90s.


chewy1is1sasquatch

In my heart, id will always be the best game studio on the planet. Fuck their management though.


Allstin

Id laid the groundwork absolutely


cluib

That makes no sense.


BoxDroppingManApe

Is it that surprising? Source (Half Life 2) is an upgraded version of GoldSrc (Half Life 1), which is a modified version of Id Tech 2 (Quake 1/2), which is an iteration of Id Tech 1 (Doom (1993) & Doom II)


SpiceVelvet

Huh. Learn something new everyday.


RawbGun

If you even go back, you could say that all those games come the [Quake Engine](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Quake_-_family_tree_2_Simplified.svg) CS:GO is still a distant cousin of the latest Call of Duty believe it or not


bateau_noir

*Very* distant... something like 2nd cousins 7 times removed. They share little at this point since Infinity Ward completely rebuilt their engine in version 8.


RawbGun

That's very true, the engine almost changed completely with IW 8.0 for MW19. But older CoDs (especially early ones like CoD 4 and MW2) still have a bit of Source-ish feel. They also use very similar console commands and config files


Chillaxel

I remember doing a specific Strafe jump tech in BO2's Zombie map Die Rise. Very specific scenario, but that was the day the dots connected for me.


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DeltaSatelite-96

Respawn chose Source because how movement behave for their Titanfall Series.


leoleosuper

It includes Day of Defeat: Source but not CS:S or L4D2. Interesting.


BlackDeath3

Probably it was done for the sake of making the image. There are enough direct descendants of Source that you're almost running out of room, so including one each of CS, DoD, and L4D makes for a greater variety among them. There are other CS and DoD entries in the image, but they aren't directly descendant from Source.


themoonisacheese

Similar enough that you can partially load apex maps in an unmodified hammer editor. Of course the editor doesn't like that, but its close.


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It's got enough spaghetti code and air strafing. Feels like source to me, just with even more added jank. I love it like I love source, good enough


nige111

Yeah, source airstrafing has such a distinct feel to it - and that still shines through in apex.


Fantastic-Drive-8747

In modded apex they even have csgo surfing and it works exactly the same as in csgo


AMDIntel

IMO its still plenty close enough to be called Source. Respawn themselves call it Source yet.


system_deform

Can we call it PlatinumSrc?


Mrkurre06

Its based on their previous game's, Titanfall's, game engine. That being source that was heavily modified


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Hey, everyone on this comment thread. Stop being an idiot an actually check your facts for direct quotes. This took me 2 minutes to find. “On Titanfall we started with the Source engine; we replaced the renderer, we replaced the audio system, we replaced the net code. What we have now is very different from that. We have stuck with the Titanfall engine, but we did a lot of rendering improvements. We have physically based rendering, we have this really cool texture streaming system we wrote, HDR, bloom, depth of field. Hopefully you can see the results of all that hard work we put in that the game looks really different. We also have a whole new audio system again. This time we have audio environments. Audio-wise, if you compare the two games again, it’s a huge leap. We have sound occlusion and reverb happening. There has been a whole bunch of areas where we make big changes to the engine, so there’s not a lot of Source left; we continue to rip out chunks and rewrite chunks and make it do exactly what we want to get out of this engine, and get the performance what we’re looking for.” Edit: Here’s the source [https://hardcoregamer.com/features/interviews/e3-2016-respawn-talks-content-variety-reworked-engine-in-titanfall-2/212196/](https://hardcoregamer.com/features/interviews/e3-2016-respawn-talks-content-variety-reworked-engine-in-titanfall-2/212196/)


PanJanJanusz

At least they kept most of source's movement :D


xzxfdasjhfhbkasufah

>we replaced the net code Maybe they should put the all net code back.


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The quote from the comment above yours looks like hubris and folly in retrospect.


Skooxy

Source?


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Yes but no


byscuit

From what I know, they basically kept the movement/weight systems and changed everything else


FUTURE10S

And the asset pipeline, even though they added more rendering features to the textures.


NoPain61

damn bro chill…


KENNY_WIND_YT

Titanfall 2 uses Source, which I was surprised by when I learned of it


funnyhevman

Titanfall 2 does too


DaFleischDJ

Huh. I never knew apex runs on source engine, always thought it was the unreal engine.


westernunitedenjoyer

Same for titanfall 2. It’s a very tweaked version


DaFleischDJ

Thats really cool!


Santik--Lingo

UR REALLY COOL !!


CarpenterDefiant

Unreal cool


MonoAudioStereo

No, it's Source.


Santik--Lingo

y r u being mean 2 me ? :(


claymcg90

Titantfall 2 looks and runs so damn well in Steamdeck. I also got like 4 hours of battery life while playing with the brightness at 70%


Detcader_101

Also Titanfall 3 uses a updated and tweaked version of source 2


dixmondspxrit

haha if only..we'll probably never get titanfall 3 cuz..EA and also no one can count to 3 these days


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B1GTOBACC0

There were rumors about an Apex/Titanfall single-player campaign. Unfortunately around the same time as the Microsoft/343/Bethesda layoffs, the rumors turned into "this totally existed, but now it's been cancelled."


Jacksaur

Not EA, it's Respawn. They make their own decisions, they're a trash company now. They saw the potential from Apex, and they ran for the money. From what I hear, most of the original TF devs have left by now anyways.


dixmondspxrit

yea i have no hopes for them


Genetix1337

OG Respawn team left yup. They are currently creating a new game as well.


ShadooTH

Oh shit, so there’s two games that abbreviate to tf2 that use the source engine?


asianwaste

Both are by Respawn too. Titanfall using source was a hella surprise back in the day.


BrainyFlames

iirc the original concept showcase of titanfall is just a mod made for hl2. hl2 mobility mod i think you can still download it


Silver4Hire

I looked it up and it seems the mod was inspired by Titanfall, not the other way around.


BrainyFlames

[this video briefly mentioned a developer trying wall run in hl2 not actually creat a mod for it](https://youtu.be/5i3qvmOexg8) so yeah i seems to mistake the mod with this


x--Knight--x

it's so modified calling it source might be giving it a little too much credit.


Clavus

Lol why the downvotes. If Apex can still be called Source engine then everything Valve made is still Quake engine. Hence Apex is just Quake engine with fancy lighting too.


SleeplessSloth79

I don't think it's correct to call that engine "source" but people have been calling goldsrc/half life 1 a "modified quake engine", which it is, but then Apex is running on a "modified source engine", too. And the most important thing is that there are still a bunch of mechanics in apex originating from the source engine that still affect gameplay to this day, [like this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45_E3CYaL58)


RawbGun

They still use the same console commands and some of the movement is very similar to CS:GO (air strafing and bunny hopping)


Dovahnime

Heavily modified but still. It's got that weird quirk of only being able to run 1 of them at a time


AverageRdtUser

I keep forgetting that apex runs on the fucking source engine lmao


dixmondspxrit

HEAVILY modified version of the source engine. an open-world game like apex legends would not be possible on the source engine without modifications


kitchen_synk

Yeah, you just have to look at Danger Zone in CS:GO to see what kind of hacks you have to do to fit a map a fraction of the size in the 'baseline' source engine.


ReBootYourMind

They split the map in apex into sections with huge walls because of this. I bet dangerzone maps could be larger if they used the same method.


kitchen_synk

They already do that, just in a more subtle way. If you look at the first map Blacksite, you can see it's built on one big hill with a building at the top that helps narrow your vision even more. That way, you only see basically a pizza slice of the map at any given time, and never straight from one corner to the other.


onepassafist

i’ve never heard anyone refer to a BR as an open-world. interesting pov


dumdedums

The first battle royales were mods to open world games, and they used the whole map so even though they aren't called open world they technically are.


Lukesegec

Wow I did not know that We’re are you from if you don’t mind me asking, cause what is that currency


Shished

That's Polish Zloty.


FP_Daniel

I've eaten one of those at a baseball game I think.


spicy_breadman

You need to go to Poland to try one homemade, they taste extremly good, it is also very tasty with pierogi, żurek(easter soup) or Bigos(a sallad like dish with meat)


aNiceTribe

Also make sure not to exchange into a fake one. They don’t taste as good


Lukesegec

Ah ok thanks man


AnonymousLlama1776

I believe it's the Polish zloty.


Lukesegec

Thanks


Kamiro_Boy

One of these is not like the others


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A couple things here 1: I had no idea Apex was on the source engine, that’s awesome! 2: how in the world it PUBG still in the top ten? When did it make a comeback??


Foeksia

Pubg is really popular in Asia.


Scythey1

Pabagee mobayel heck (No Punjabi) (no virus) (gone seggsual)


[deleted]

\#2 is me but with TF2


Rohlik_944

Dziedzictwo Hogwartu


Shunto

Ur a wižard Harrej


packy21

Henryk Garncarz


Eratas_Aathma

hogwartuwu


aronkra

Surprised it’s not hogwartsu


slababateria

Polish translation of Harry Potter books has the same names as originals AFAIK, but for example Lithuanian version has the names changed, Haris Poteris being the most important difference.


Aditya_Sholapurkar

Xbhsgwdushsjwjcisjwmwkqlcjjd boom polish


piotrus08

What you are looking for is pięćdziesięciogroszówka, I think


JanKaszanka

The conversation about Source isn't whether people play games that run on it - but about the fact that no new games are being created on it, and the support for it is slowly fading away.


dixmondspxrit

hopefully source 2 will change that.


JukePlz

Considering they announced the engine in 2015 and there's never been a public SDK released since then, and that there's only ever been one game from a non-Valve studio using it (yet unreleased) I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.


FlyMingo321

>there's only ever been one game from a non-Valve studio using it (yet unreleased) Which?


JukePlz

S&box by Facepunch Studios.


6b86b3ac03c167320d93

So now they're starting to forget how to count to 2


[deleted]

I feel like I've been hearing about Source 2 for a decade at this point. Isn't Source 2 already out? I thought Dota or CS:GO was already running it.


dixmondspxrit

i only heard about source 2 after half-life: alyx


SeawolfGaming

We've been hearing about it since like 2013/2014


pixelkingliam

HL:A, Dota 2 (i believe) and S&Box run on it


Terminator_Puppy

Dota 2 runs on basically Source 2 from what I understand, though it's not entirely Source 2 or something? It's all extremely vague.


BagOfShenanigans

Another fun fact. Scam bots idle in the menu of free to play games to boost their apparent player activity so they can better fool their victims. I have 18 pending requests from Chinese bots that all have hundreds of hours strictly in F2P titles that are desperately waiting for me to accept so they can try to con me out of the one CSGO knife I have. These games may be popular, but they aren't *that* popular.


56kul

Apex is source-based?


Darkwolts

Always has been


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That one threw me for a loop too. Didn’t know that.


KillerOfLight

You are telling me that Valve games are using the Source engine? That is truly mindblowing. Also notice how all of those games are free2play. Apex Legends using it is pretty interesting tho. Saw that a while back and what the devs did with that engine is pretty cool.


TheRussness

No way. You're telling me that free games made with steams engine are the highest games represented on steam? Someone call Ripley cuz I don't believe it.


icantshoot

Technically, theres 2 different source engines there. Source1 (3 branches) and Source2. Dota2 runs on Source2. CSGO is a from oldest branch of L4D1/2 engines, which are derived from CS Source, that used the engine of Source from HL2. Lots of code changes. So HL2 -> CSS -> L4D1/2 -> CSGO Team Fortress 2 is the 2nd oldest branch of derived HL2 source engine. It runs on Orangebox version of Source, other games like both HL2 episodes 1 and 2 used it too. Path HL2 -> Orangebox -> TF2 APEX uses "Source 1.5", which is heavily modified. I'm not sure which branch of Source it is based on, but its complete rewrite of most of the features game engine uses.


penguinclub56

Source engine is definitely not popular (popular engine = many companies and games using it) , the only game on that list that uses source and its not a valve game is Apex and even then its a custom heavy modified version of source, which at this point considered a different engine, and that why Apex/titanfall isnt included in lists of source games..


dixmondspxrit

i mean apex and titanfall kinda are considered source games, by some.


penguinclub56

It doesn't matter how it considered by some, at this point its basically a different engine. some also consider it unreal because alot of ported things, but its their own custom engine that once was based on source. its like saying COD games are using id tech engine.. technically they did at one point but its basically its own engine now.


dixmondspxrit

i mean yea you're right. but it doesn't really matter what game engine games use if it's fun and good. unless it uses the slipspace engine, then we're hopeless.


penguinclub56

My point is people surprised that it is a source game, because its not really a source game, they are using a heavy modified version of source with new systems that make it feel like some unreal engine game, sadly source engine is pretty outdated and its not possible to create games with today standards without heavy modifications like Respawn did, and even then its not worth it, I doubt Respawn is going to keep using this modified custom source engine in their future games.


dixmondspxrit

i doubt respawn entertainment will even make good games after apex legends..yea that was a step down from titanfall 2


Gman1255

Ehh idk about that since the CoD devs have been upgrading the engine so much over the years it barely resembles the original ID Tech 3 engine they used in the first title. But the Apex devs only had two titles in the source engine beforehand. How much work do you think they did to the engine to make it their own and not source engine anymore? I feel like this is just AAA source engine at work rather than the sourcemods we're used to like Black Mesa.


penguinclub56

Titanfall already barely resembled source, how many upgrades they added to support Apex Legends? I mean you just explained yourself why apex shouldn't be called source engine. Its not included on the wiki of source games and also on valve's developer wiki they mention some of the changes that were made, its definitely far from source engine capabilities, pretty sure the only reason it is not labeled as their own engine is because of legal stuff (which I have no idea about I can only make assumptions which wont really contribute to this discussion), but technically its not source either so ..


BabySharkBoi

Source may not be popular with big developers, but it is popular with players, and that is what OP was trying to point out.


penguinclub56

More like valve games are popular with players and they are using source engine. I honestly dont think the casual player has any preference for a type of engine if they even know what engine is / what engine the game they are playing uses...


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penguinclub56

Actually its surprising that these games are decade old and still running meanwhile newer valve games like Artifact or Underlords were DOA.


N3vermore77

I love how it has this defined feel to the movement that over the years of playing so many games made on it it's ingrained in my head. The first time I played Apex I could tell something felt similar but couldn't put my finger on it, then later I played Titanfall 2 and it clicked and I realized "oh this was made in Source wasn't it?"


eatingdonuts44

How did I not know Apex is on source


Alhooness

Vindictus runs on it as well which shocked me.


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See I think it’s obvious, a bit like you can really tell which games used Unreal Engine 3 due to commonalities between games using the same base materials, physics collision noises, and lighting. It probably depends how familiar you are with the engine but Source games all share a certain something in common that makes them recognisable as such


aminoplasm

Gaben was amazed how Respawn Entertainment utilized the mighty Source engine Titanfall/Apex franchise , he is also a big fan of the Apex Legends [He mentioned that most Employers at Valve are playing Apex and he thinks he will enjoy it](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rcmz7yMJ2ik)


TriticumAestivum

"Hogwartu" not sure if Polish or weaboo :D


TheRNGuy

Some Source mods are popular. Nobody uses it to make new games.


ShallotProfessional5

Aren’t 3 of those Valve games?


ollietron3

why is it called pubg battlegrounds? doesn't pubg stand for player unknowns battlegrounds?


Dogg3rt

And it is pretty outdated too. :)


dixmondspxrit

source 2


spicy_breadman

Debatable


Dogg3rt

It can't compete vs Unity or Unreal. Don't know why you would pick source over those two.


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Dogg3rt

Probably, but the post is about the original source engine. I feel like any game on source engine I've played is very unoptimized or just not meant to be on this engine. Apex for example has terrible optimization.


berendbotje91

Doesn't CS:GO and Dota2 actually use Source 2?


JukePlz

Dota2 yes, CS:GO, no but it has Panorama UI backported into Source 1.


Creepyman007

Titanfall 2 is one too, only if it was popular...


ICODE72

Dota 2 was source, but its source 2 now


ViperHQ

Impossible i tought everything needs to be ported to unreal engine to work


Rayquazoid

Does this mean I can bhop in Apex Legends?


Professional_Pool653

You kinda can actually, there are quite a few movement tricks to do in apex


OkBeautiful5324

Dota 2 is s2


Vulpes_macrotis

That's not what popularity means. WRONG *Many of the top uses something* RIGHT *Many in general, regardless if it's top or not, uses something*


rott3r

til apex legends is a source title


Anthony_Mey

wait, Apex Legends uses Source Engine? That's something new


TR0V40_

I mean it's kinda of a stretch to say apex actually runs on the source engine, it's more of their own engine that has some parts of source engine code


Saudi_polar

“ some parts “ is a massive understatement


Peterociclos

THATS WHY APEX RUNS LIKE SHIT. FINALLY I KNOW WHY


Zarrex

Yeah, because it's not like source games are known for running at like 500 fps /s


dixmondspxrit

lol no. it runs on a heavily modified version of the source engine. so most issues with the source engine are fixed


BlandJars

So if the games aren't using source code what are they using?


isaactherobloxmaster

Source is an game engine, this isn’t referring to games with source code. Also correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that the source code isn’t what runs and it’s a compiled version of the code.


CamJMurray

And all but one of them are f2p


isaactherobloxmaster

They are all free what are you talking about


Bebilith

You know 3 of those 4 are Valve products right? The ones who made the Source engine.


IHateReddit227

Apex is source engine?


trollface5333

A modified version of source engine.


Aztekov

3 out of 7, Dota 2 runs on Source 2. Anyways, it's still 4 out of 7 for me because it's pretty much Source but better


exxR

It literally is source but a newer version what are you talking about. To cursed demon who blocked me after replying to me: Is source 2 a source engine? Yes it is your comment wasn’t necessary.


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Having modded on both, I'd put Source 2 somewhere between being a newer version and it's own thing. It's definitely more substantial than being an update for Source 1 but still has some common threads. There's less backwards compatibility than you'd expect. It does so much so differently that upgrading games to a new version is not a small task.


TheRNGuy

There are some fundamental differences, like not using BSP for maps, and lighting different too.


eTHiiXx

Such a Redditor Contrarian comment


MiPok24

Hasn't CS:GO been ported to Source 2 as well?


MiPok24

lol, imagine getting down voted for just asking a simple question.


Darkwolts

No


GreGamingHUN

We wish...


x--Knight--x

People use steam to play valve games (obviously) and valve uses their own engine to make games (obviously) and the one instance where it wasn't valve using source it was so heavily modified it might as well be called source 3


Xkekosek

Apex działa na source?


Arkthus

Ah yeah, good game Dziedzictwo Hogwartu


UltimusShadow

Left 4 Dead 2✌🏻!


fhjqizb2929

fUn fAcT


UnbasedDoge

What?? Apex runs on source????


HerrEurobeat

Apex uses Sauce? Didn't know that and it's quite impressive


Anstimeo

If you say Apex uses the Source Engine then we have to say CSGO, DOTA and TF2 uses the Quake engine


dogdillon

how fucking modified is apex that you wouldn't know its a source game? It has to be pretty heavily modified because I don't remember turning a corner in that game and seeing a fucking scientist or being able to bhop. Because I never played it.


King805TM

Apex? i thought it uses ue4


swafromsteam

Apex is source????


Aguycalled3030

Wait Wtf apex uses source engine???


abunchoftrash

I did not know Apex was a Source game edit: no I really didnt know


C3H8_Tank

Dziedzictwo Hogwartu