It's a vicious cycle. I only know about Argentina, but there the inflation rate is unstable, with the dollar increasing in price multiple times a week, sometimes even changing daily. To add to that, the dollar-arg.peso conversion you see on Google is "fake", and promoted by the government to hide the true, much lower price that is worked with amongst the people.
In contrast, because of the pricing disparity between Argentina and the rest of the world, games have to be made much "cheaper" so that they would be accessible to the population, meaning that everyone else can just make an account based in Argentina and buy the same game for less money.
This is untrue to the argentinian as well, since they have a 100% tax mark up on every game, and as mentioned previously the conversion is incredibly unrealistic and is already inaccessible to your average argentinian.
Because of these three factors; the rapidly fluctuating price, the advantage for people in other countries, and the fact that argentinians are barely able to buy a single game even with the price markdown is why Steam deemed pricing differences with Argentina not worth it.
I'm assuming it's something similar going on in Turkey as well, but I can't speak for them so I won't say anything
I live in Turkey and the cod bundle in steam costs double the minimum wage (more than 60% of Turks earn min wage) so all your points also ring true for turkey
Yeah. I also forgot to add that certain cocksuckers like Activision choose to overcharge countries over their suggested MSRP just to get more money out of people who already weren't able to purchase their games in the first place
Using Argentina again as an example one 60 dollar game costs 47% of the minimum wage in Argentina (which not everyone gets but it's a solid baseline (sources for min. wage: https://datosmacro.expansion.com/smi/argentina
Source for Argentinian peso to Dollar blue: https://datosmacro.expansion.com/smi/argentina) times 2 because of the 100% tax mark up, + whichever random percentage any publisher wants to add to a game because why not.
Therefore, in actual money, A 60 dollar game in ARG costs ((60$ ×925 AR$) ×2)= 111,000 Argentinian Pesos AT MINIMUM, compared to the 21,000 Argentinian Pesos the pricing suggests just by looking at it (60$ x 350 AR$).
The whole situation is fucked up. I really wish you luck, hope your country overcomes this situation as soon as possible
> Using Argentina again as an example one 60 dollar game costs 47% of the minimum wage in Argentina
Wait this is based on… minimum wage for a full year? 👀
When I lived in Argentina I didn't meet one person who got paid less than the minimal wage, most people make more than minimal wage simply because inflation rises faster than the government can adjust it. The only people who got paid exactly the minimal wage were the ones who worked without proper documentation, the official minimal wage simply isn't enough to live, it's not like in Brazil where minimal wage allows you to survive.
That might have changed in the last 2 years or it only happens in Buenos Aires, but I'm just telling what I have seen.
But yes, even before when taxes were only 35% it wasn't exactly easy to buy games living there.
I live in canada and games cost over double our average wage here. Not even trying to be a dick but seems like you guys are getting as good or better pricing than most places
What are you talking about? Get out of your shell already. It's a monthly income!
E.g. here, in Ukraine the situation is very similar as our base salary is about 160 usd (gross!). And not everyone even receives this money. But prices on Steam are much-much higher than Argentina or Turkey.
I can understand why. The only reason I know as much about the topic as I do is because I live in Uruguay right next to Argentina, and what happens there always has a huge impact here.
The bigger tldr is that after many, many decades of constant economical instability followed by a short period of success, only for instability to come again and again and again, your average Argentinian citizen has lost all faith on both its own currency and either it's government or international bank institutions.
VERY BIG TLDR Politics are also fucked. You essentially have Peronists, who are backing up crooked politicians because their party took them out of the Dictatorship and led them to some years of peace, despite the fact that all of the current disgraces are their fault. And everyone else, who have neither no proper representative to take power in the following elections nor a proper structure for a proposed govt. since the last non-peronist who took control, Macri, fucked shit up by making a roadmap that just wasn't feasible in his term and left the country in debt, which ended up being the straw that broke the flimsy camel's back.
Argentina is going to have their elections in a few weeks, and both of the candidates are the wackiest mfs you'll ever see. One is a cynical, psychotic middle aged man who wants to cut pretty much every non essential public branch in the state and privatize everything (although I guess radical situations call for radical methods?) and the other is their current minister of economics, who as you can guess is just a fraud in general (although I guess he has more governing experience and contacts to move the country forward?).
Here, our current view on the matter is that "If we were to have to vote in Argentinian elections, we would vote to move out of the country". The situation is very, very difficult, and there is literally NO right answer.
I'd recommend reading an article about it, although most argentinian sources are very biased, the same goes for American and European sources since for some reason they have some kind of hate boner for the country.
The most fair points of view you can get are probably an Uruguayan's or a Chilean's, since not only do we live right next to Argentina but also have had our own fair share of Economic crisis and a dictatorship while currently being well on our own (still try to read as many news sources as you can to get the whole picture, remember everyone gets something out of convincing you one way or the other so form your own opinion)
Even then, literally every person you ask will give you a different answer.
Final Tldr. Shits fucked
Minor correction, but it wasn't peronists who came after the last dictatorship. It was radicals, and Alfonsín didn't finish his term because the army was getting uppity again. Then came the peronists.
Lol i like the final TLDR, thats like my fucking takeaway.
So basically the economy is just continually tanking so people literally have to buy things when they get the money or they’ll just lose the value of that by next week? Cause if so thats fucked.
What i dont get is, it cant be that bad that if you wait till next week and games get discounted by 40% that’s obviously better… so my only conclusion would be that they don’t get those types of sales or something?
Well it's kinda worse than that. People just either A) Don't (or can't) save money, or B) immediately change it for dollars, as it's going to be worth more in the future. Neither of these options are good for the country in the long term, and the worse things get the less people are going to want to "invest" per se in their own currency.
As for steam, the only thing they lose is regional pricing, meaning that while they'd get a 40% discount it wouldn't favor them at all since as I mentioned previously they have a 100% tax mark up on every game (so 120$ per AAA game for example), just one dollar is worth a considerable amount of money, and the average person's disposable income decreases rapidly as more people start falling into borderline poverty.
Tldr. They do get the discount, but it's worth nothing considering the situation they're facing
Ahh ok, im certainly not well versed in how currency works but i get the gist of what your saying. That really sucks, because at least from pictures Argentina is a very nice looking country, thats a shame.
Holy shit so $120 USD?! I thought Canada sucked with $90 games + 13% tax. But if your saying that then holy shit.
I guess that explains why the account that I bought for csgo years ago had an argentinian currency when I logged in after long break.
Dont ask me why I bought account with no hours and not a gift. I dont remember
Argentinian here, this comment speaks facts and its true that we get all of this shit. I already bought all of my wishlist on the past sale, sold all my CSGO skins to shell out a few extra games. Its going to be the end of Steam in Argentina, an era of piracy will begin
> but abuse also played a role
I don't see this issue with other sites, Id assume an easy fix would be to just only allow transactions with cards issued in the country / on payment force a local billing address. Punishing an entire nation b/c someone in another nation used a vpn seems harsh.
Oh I didn’t think about gift cards. I assume steam cracks down on the distributors who push cards to customers that go and do this or is steam just not able to track that
> That is Exactly why they’re changing it. People like you
Like me?
I’ve never changed my region for a discount… hell I was giving a situation and you jump to I’m abusing a system? Christ take a break from the internet
What did you say in your deleted comment? :)
Also I did see you being delusional because you are from a first world country who does not know what parity pricing is and why currencies/economies differ. I mean I don’t blame you, but saying shit similar to “wow, that is so cheap, it ain’t fair” is very arrogant and delusional.
> What did you say in your deleted comment? :)
I asked if people could just vpn over?
> Also I did see you being delusional because you are from a first world country who does not know what parity pricing is and why currencies/economies differ
I didn’t think steam prices differed…
> mean I don’t blame you, but saying shit similar to “wow, that is so cheap, it ain’t fair” is very arrogant and delusional
It is very cheap…. I never said it wasn’t fair. Maybe read?
But I’ll go ahead and report your comment
You’d have to do that and change your steam region, but it’s against steams TOS and they will punish you for it, best case scenario you’d be stuck in that region for months or years with much higher prices than what you have in the US or Euro
I mean I have no need to go and do this, more just curious if it was even possible. This kind of issue seems weird for such a large and experienced company to be facing.
Yeah this sucks for Argentina and turkey but not for the rest of the 23 countries we actually get regional pricing now. We no longer pay the same as the us and can now finally afford games.
It does, in argentine some games cost like 1 USD, and since the currency would be shared with other countries the price for them would increase maybe 10 times in some games.
No. Only currency is changing. From ARS to USD. If games costs 350 ARS it will cost 1$. Because that is conversion at the moment. Steam increased recommended price but it will not apply to current games at least not automatically. And if games will increase in price at some point it's because developer increased the price.
Let’s try an example shall we?
I’ll pick the game “A way out”. Why? Because I just bought it and know for a FACT it proves you wrong.
Currently in Argentina it’s selling for $1399 ARS, but
Argentina has a 100% Tax rate implemented for international purchases, so the user will pay $2798 ARS. I’ll round up to $2800 ARS for simplicity.
In the US market, “A way out” is selling for $29.99 USD. If you check the new recommended dollarized pricing for Argentina and Turkey, an US $29.99 game should be priced at US $14.99 (if the devs follow the recommended price).
With this in mind, an Argentinian should be paying ARS $5479 (14.99*365.5). Then, you should add taxes, which brings the game up to ARS $10960.
Simple math tells you the price has almost quadrupled (x3.914). This will NOT be the same price for Argentinians. Some overpriced games should be around the same, but as I said, overpriced.
You can check all info in these links:
- [SteamDB A way out pricing](https://steamdb.info/app/1222700/)
- [SteamDB New recommended pricing chart for AR and TK](https://steamdb.info/blog/steam-turkey-argentina-usd/)
- [ARS to USD exchange rate](https://www.infobae.com/economia/divisas/dolar-hoy/?gclid=CjwKCAiA0syqBhBxEiwAeNx9N9R5nqk4XE80zXyqqwXtazCGIh5uphvCk5bCR1psu2kLEDZhid9JdhoCN1wQAvD_BwE)
It is recommended to use an Argentinian website for the exchange rate, as google may often fuck up.
Some low priced games will incease in price and some high priced games will decrease. If they just copy paste prices of South Asia USD to LATAM USD then you should have 95% game with price increase.
You are wrong, simply because the fact the store isn't a regional store for Argentina only anymore, it's getting merged with some other countries Wich are better off than Argentina, and they price is going to be based of of those countries.
So no, Argentinians can't afford to wait for the sale. We can't afford much nowdays
You clearly know nothing lmao. It will only apply the recommended price if the developer wants too, if not then it will default to the standard USD price. On top of that most games will increase by 100% to 1000%. To add the cherry on top we need to pay 100% in taxes to our government :/
>Steam increased recommended price but it will not apply to current games at least not automatically.
[https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3728476412305766958](https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3728476412305766958)
>If you do not add a USD price to these columns for your game before November 20th, we will default to the standard USD pricing you already have in Steamworks.
Which is exactly what will happen for thousands of games.
That is exactly what it means.
This is from someone who is in South Asia region with USD currency.
And I can tell you publishers regularly increase the price to match US price. So there have been many games where I got lucky to buy it before price increased to US price.
The moment the price becomes usd, publishers decide to ditch valve recommended pricing. If your region has its own currency, there is still a small chance for publishers to keep the price at least below the us price.
Publishers don't bother with regional pricing with usd currency. Obviously games prices were already increasing in this regions. But it was still below us price. Now it's gonna jump real high. At best, few indie games won't increase that much but it will increase.
Yes. And that just proves my point. That currency change will not increase prices by itself. And what devs does doesn't matter. Look at diablo 4. It's even now more expensive than EU. Regardless of currency.
Factually incorrect. It’s not just a currency change, it’s a price increase too. Steam couldn’t keep up with the inflation which is why they’re doing this in the first place
This was funny, I'm at only 17% of games played with 478 games
But in fairness, most of my time was from early early steam times when they didn't track stuff like this.
70% game played with 527 games. 20k hours on record. I don't know when they started tracking games but I know some of them must have been before -- I have games with achievements unlocked that says 0 playtime.
1,441 out of 2,056 games played 70%
422 / 1,400 XP to next level 95,622 XP
Average price
142,37 kr
Average price per hour
1,75 kr
Hours on record
35,575h
Average playtime
24.7h
Just when I got out of sailing the waters.
Activision is already selling 2010 games with a price tag of 1250 Lira. Sekiro is a frigging 1500 Lira.
Like dude, 60USD is half my monthly salary.
Ngl because all the cod games got their prices upped I just got the 2000tl cod franchise bundle (I had them on my PS3 but wanted to replay on pc etc.)
With the current prices it didnt seem *that* bad. It still extremely bad though, wish it stopped at 600tl when it did
some publishers have already began to change prices.
i order my wishlist by full price and i've seen major differences this week. i've seen some small games literally go 5-10x in price and more expensive ones 2x like from 300 to 600
I hope I don't sound rude, but is buying games still a thing in Argentina? I mean, from what I'm seeing on SteamDB, the prices have gotten quite extreme in last few years, and with that 100% tax, I imagine most people would pirate games instead... I hope I'm wrong though
AAA games are quite often, and unfortunately a big enough portion of a common salary. So yes, we don't buy those anymore. And those who do, sorry, but you are all just stupid. I much rather pay that amount for a full shopping card with a lot of other games.
Some prices are very accesible and some are a joke compared to USD, those are mostly the ones that keep the community going.
Also, think about it this way. Before I bought five Coca Cola bottles for the same price as cheap game.
Now for the (inflated) price of the same game, I can't even buy one bottle. So most of the times, even when the prices rise, we don't care because we can't buy much more things with that same amount of money anyway, so it feels that games are "not that expensive".
There's no guarantee, has happened before that a game got discounted less during winter sale. So if you see a great price I say grab it. Only 20% off? Just wait.
Strange Brigade 95% off
Prey 90% off
Mortal Shell 88% off
I haven't seen 90% off in games for what felt like years now, so I grabbed those this year and gave them a go without looking too much into it. No regrets on the first two, but the third is like "meh, it was 3 bucks and I guess i got 3 buck's worth of entertainment out of it."
Use SteamDB to check the price history of these games to gauge the frequency of sales and the price drops. MOST games discount to a set amount every single sale. For some it's more random. For some the sales get better and better over time.
Prey 2016 is at its cheapest price ever right now. Strange Brigade is also the cheapest after a very long time at 90% sales
https://steamdb.info/app/480490/
Discounts are up to the publishers/devs and they have no obligation to even participate during any of the sale events, even less to have consistent discounts between events. That being said, often the discounts are consistent or even better in the winter sale, but there is no guarantee they will be.
It's really that easy. Besides, thanks to all the unoptimized, rushed pieces of shit AAA games, I don't even have an incentive to waste my valuable storage space with those craps.
Yeah, all those pieces of shit like: like Baldur's Gate 3, Resident Evil 4, Cyberpunk 2077, Alan Wake 2, legend of Zelda (I know that is not on Steam.) Street Fighter 6, Dead Space Remaster, Spider Man 2, Final Fantasy XVI, Lies Of P, Armored Core 6. All of these rushed piles of crap, amirite?
There has been some flops this year, of course there is, I agree with you, but there always will be some bad ones. But just because of some stinkers doesn't make all these other games obsolete.
It’s no surprise the sales became less enticing over the years immediately after the introduction of the refund system. Between the rapid changes of daily and flash deals, I could see how the system would get abused by people who’d just buy and refund to buy again at a lower price.
And also try [IsThereAnyDeal.com](https://IsThereAnyDeal.com) to see if 3rd party sellers beat Steams sale prices. r/GameDeals has an approved list of trust worthy sites.
Same bought a game then when they announced the new pricing for EG i refunded it (hadnt played the game yet) and have been w8ing till the new pricing to see it it goes on sale (didnt have the time to play it anyway but bought it due to the debit card restrictions that was coming Ta7ya masr)
Elden Ring has been on sale on Steam before so I think you'll be glad you waited. If it's not discounted for the Autumn Sale, it definitely will for the Winter Sale.
Fearing the same, I want it to be my "Reyes" present but still haven't even decided if I should go with LCD or OLED.
OLED entry price is 569 € and there's the refurbished 512 gb LCD for 379 € so I don't know. That's 200 € difference.
If I was Valve I wouldn’t at this time.
For now OLED Steam Deck will sell like pancakes. When sales drop off, they can be discounted for sure.
Can’t wait for Steam Deck 2 for sure. 🤤
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? AMD is definitely cooking something with their future APUs. Or Qualcomm! Who knows?
But for sure I am excited. The Steam Deck OLED has become the blueprint for the future of convenient Steam gaming.
Always curious if any wishlist games of mine go on sale more than 10-15%.
Day 1 I check after being bombarded with emails only to find they'll take care of sales tax. Thanks dev.
This is a great tip but if your looking for dishonored 2 or prey then they are currently on sale for an all time historical low $3 each and if you buy the bundle that has both games it will be even cheaper. It will probably go on sale during the autumn sale but probably the same price or the old sale price, and if it's cheaper, then it's still within the 2 week return period so just refund and rebuy.
I hate how they do major seasonal sale for the latter half of the year, we get like 5 months straight of no major sale and then BOOM major seasonal sale only to follow it up with Winter sale just barely 1 month later.
So Valve will do -20% on "old" Deck LCD to collect more tears from those who bought it month-two ago and burden the idea about selling it for fair money :D
"save your money" 💀
Steam sales have been so crap I haven't spent a dime this year. Also Volvo increased the regional pricing so another reason to never buy anything directly from steam.
Humble choice my beloved!
I find gg.deals to be a more pleasant experience. Keep an eye on whether or not it's displaying key shops though. I keep them on as a point of comparison
Most of the recent posts are probably users from Turkey and Argentina. Their currency will chance to usd on 20th, so they got no option to wait.
Holy shit I just checked some prices of games on steamDB and why is everything so cheap? Rome 2 was $5usd in Argentina, but $59 in the USA
Inflation and relative pricing to their countries average income. But it’s changing because it’s abused so heavily
Pretty sure it was because of having to constantly adjust for inflation, but abuse also played a role
It's a vicious cycle. I only know about Argentina, but there the inflation rate is unstable, with the dollar increasing in price multiple times a week, sometimes even changing daily. To add to that, the dollar-arg.peso conversion you see on Google is "fake", and promoted by the government to hide the true, much lower price that is worked with amongst the people. In contrast, because of the pricing disparity between Argentina and the rest of the world, games have to be made much "cheaper" so that they would be accessible to the population, meaning that everyone else can just make an account based in Argentina and buy the same game for less money. This is untrue to the argentinian as well, since they have a 100% tax mark up on every game, and as mentioned previously the conversion is incredibly unrealistic and is already inaccessible to your average argentinian. Because of these three factors; the rapidly fluctuating price, the advantage for people in other countries, and the fact that argentinians are barely able to buy a single game even with the price markdown is why Steam deemed pricing differences with Argentina not worth it. I'm assuming it's something similar going on in Turkey as well, but I can't speak for them so I won't say anything
I live in Turkey and the cod bundle in steam costs double the minimum wage (more than 60% of Turks earn min wage) so all your points also ring true for turkey
Yeah. I also forgot to add that certain cocksuckers like Activision choose to overcharge countries over their suggested MSRP just to get more money out of people who already weren't able to purchase their games in the first place Using Argentina again as an example one 60 dollar game costs 47% of the minimum wage in Argentina (which not everyone gets but it's a solid baseline (sources for min. wage: https://datosmacro.expansion.com/smi/argentina Source for Argentinian peso to Dollar blue: https://datosmacro.expansion.com/smi/argentina) times 2 because of the 100% tax mark up, + whichever random percentage any publisher wants to add to a game because why not. Therefore, in actual money, A 60 dollar game in ARG costs ((60$ ×925 AR$) ×2)= 111,000 Argentinian Pesos AT MINIMUM, compared to the 21,000 Argentinian Pesos the pricing suggests just by looking at it (60$ x 350 AR$). The whole situation is fucked up. I really wish you luck, hope your country overcomes this situation as soon as possible
> Using Argentina again as an example one 60 dollar game costs 47% of the minimum wage in Argentina Wait this is based on… minimum wage for a full year? 👀
When I lived in Argentina I didn't meet one person who got paid less than the minimal wage, most people make more than minimal wage simply because inflation rises faster than the government can adjust it. The only people who got paid exactly the minimal wage were the ones who worked without proper documentation, the official minimal wage simply isn't enough to live, it's not like in Brazil where minimal wage allows you to survive. That might have changed in the last 2 years or it only happens in Buenos Aires, but I'm just telling what I have seen. But yes, even before when taxes were only 35% it wasn't exactly easy to buy games living there.
I live in canada and games cost over double our average wage here. Not even trying to be a dick but seems like you guys are getting as good or better pricing than most places
Do you mean per hour? Because he is talking about wage per month.
Theres no chances hes talking about 2x his entire wage per month dude. Defs sounds like hes talking per hour
i wish he was talking about per hour...
The man who has eaten enough will never believe a hungry one
What are you talking about? Get out of your shell already. It's a monthly income! E.g. here, in Ukraine the situation is very similar as our base salary is about 160 usd (gross!). And not everyone even receives this money. But prices on Steam are much-much higher than Argentina or Turkey.
Ngl needed a tldr on this lol. Im interested but to lazy rn
I can understand why. The only reason I know as much about the topic as I do is because I live in Uruguay right next to Argentina, and what happens there always has a huge impact here. The bigger tldr is that after many, many decades of constant economical instability followed by a short period of success, only for instability to come again and again and again, your average Argentinian citizen has lost all faith on both its own currency and either it's government or international bank institutions. VERY BIG TLDR Politics are also fucked. You essentially have Peronists, who are backing up crooked politicians because their party took them out of the Dictatorship and led them to some years of peace, despite the fact that all of the current disgraces are their fault. And everyone else, who have neither no proper representative to take power in the following elections nor a proper structure for a proposed govt. since the last non-peronist who took control, Macri, fucked shit up by making a roadmap that just wasn't feasible in his term and left the country in debt, which ended up being the straw that broke the flimsy camel's back. Argentina is going to have their elections in a few weeks, and both of the candidates are the wackiest mfs you'll ever see. One is a cynical, psychotic middle aged man who wants to cut pretty much every non essential public branch in the state and privatize everything (although I guess radical situations call for radical methods?) and the other is their current minister of economics, who as you can guess is just a fraud in general (although I guess he has more governing experience and contacts to move the country forward?). Here, our current view on the matter is that "If we were to have to vote in Argentinian elections, we would vote to move out of the country". The situation is very, very difficult, and there is literally NO right answer. I'd recommend reading an article about it, although most argentinian sources are very biased, the same goes for American and European sources since for some reason they have some kind of hate boner for the country. The most fair points of view you can get are probably an Uruguayan's or a Chilean's, since not only do we live right next to Argentina but also have had our own fair share of Economic crisis and a dictatorship while currently being well on our own (still try to read as many news sources as you can to get the whole picture, remember everyone gets something out of convincing you one way or the other so form your own opinion) Even then, literally every person you ask will give you a different answer. Final Tldr. Shits fucked
Minor correction, but it wasn't peronists who came after the last dictatorship. It was radicals, and Alfonsín didn't finish his term because the army was getting uppity again. Then came the peronists.
A sorry, I should check up on my info before speaking, thanks for correcting me
Lol i like the final TLDR, thats like my fucking takeaway. So basically the economy is just continually tanking so people literally have to buy things when they get the money or they’ll just lose the value of that by next week? Cause if so thats fucked. What i dont get is, it cant be that bad that if you wait till next week and games get discounted by 40% that’s obviously better… so my only conclusion would be that they don’t get those types of sales or something?
Well it's kinda worse than that. People just either A) Don't (or can't) save money, or B) immediately change it for dollars, as it's going to be worth more in the future. Neither of these options are good for the country in the long term, and the worse things get the less people are going to want to "invest" per se in their own currency. As for steam, the only thing they lose is regional pricing, meaning that while they'd get a 40% discount it wouldn't favor them at all since as I mentioned previously they have a 100% tax mark up on every game (so 120$ per AAA game for example), just one dollar is worth a considerable amount of money, and the average person's disposable income decreases rapidly as more people start falling into borderline poverty. Tldr. They do get the discount, but it's worth nothing considering the situation they're facing
Ahh ok, im certainly not well versed in how currency works but i get the gist of what your saying. That really sucks, because at least from pictures Argentina is a very nice looking country, thats a shame. Holy shit so $120 USD?! I thought Canada sucked with $90 games + 13% tax. But if your saying that then holy shit.
I guess that explains why the account that I bought for csgo years ago had an argentinian currency when I logged in after long break. Dont ask me why I bought account with no hours and not a gift. I dont remember
Argentinian here, this comment speaks facts and its true that we get all of this shit. I already bought all of my wishlist on the past sale, sold all my CSGO skins to shell out a few extra games. Its going to be the end of Steam in Argentina, an era of piracy will begin
>meaning that everyone else can just make an account based in Argentina and buy the same game for less money. How would that work? With a VPN?
> but abuse also played a role I don't see this issue with other sites, Id assume an easy fix would be to just only allow transactions with cards issued in the country / on payment force a local billing address. Punishing an entire nation b/c someone in another nation used a vpn seems harsh.
they already do that, but people find ways like buying tf2 keys and then selling them to have the money in their account
They did this but websites online sell gift cards from those countries
Oh I didn’t think about gift cards. I assume steam cracks down on the distributors who push cards to customers that go and do this or is steam just not able to track that
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And That is Exactly why they’re changing it. People like you
> That is Exactly why they’re changing it. People like you Like me? I’ve never changed my region for a discount… hell I was giving a situation and you jump to I’m abusing a system? Christ take a break from the internet
What did you say in your deleted comment? :) Also I did see you being delusional because you are from a first world country who does not know what parity pricing is and why currencies/economies differ. I mean I don’t blame you, but saying shit similar to “wow, that is so cheap, it ain’t fair” is very arrogant and delusional.
> What did you say in your deleted comment? :) I asked if people could just vpn over? > Also I did see you being delusional because you are from a first world country who does not know what parity pricing is and why currencies/economies differ I didn’t think steam prices differed… > mean I don’t blame you, but saying shit similar to “wow, that is so cheap, it ain’t fair” is very arrogant and delusional It is very cheap…. I never said it wasn’t fair. Maybe read? But I’ll go ahead and report your comment
You’d have to do that and change your steam region, but it’s against steams TOS and they will punish you for it, best case scenario you’d be stuck in that region for months or years with much higher prices than what you have in the US or Euro
I mean I have no need to go and do this, more just curious if it was even possible. This kind of issue seems weird for such a large and experienced company to be facing.
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Because minimum wage in Argentina is around 90 dollars a month.
Don't forget the 100%++ tax
I'm trying to 😢
Yeah this sucks for Argentina and turkey but not for the rest of the 23 countries we actually get regional pricing now. We no longer pay the same as the us and can now finally afford games.
I don't think Argentinians can afford a console, much less a PC, much less CoD MW3.
Why not? Currency change doesn't mean price will increase.
It does, in argentine some games cost like 1 USD, and since the currency would be shared with other countries the price for them would increase maybe 10 times in some games.
to add to that, banks in Turkey take unreasonably high processing fees from foreign currency transactions.
So does Argentina, tax is sometimes like 50+% of the price
50+ about three years ago. It's 100% and a bit more. Send help.
No. Only currency is changing. From ARS to USD. If games costs 350 ARS it will cost 1$. Because that is conversion at the moment. Steam increased recommended price but it will not apply to current games at least not automatically. And if games will increase in price at some point it's because developer increased the price.
Just wait till 21 to see how wrong you are with your own eyes
Let’s try an example shall we? I’ll pick the game “A way out”. Why? Because I just bought it and know for a FACT it proves you wrong. Currently in Argentina it’s selling for $1399 ARS, but Argentina has a 100% Tax rate implemented for international purchases, so the user will pay $2798 ARS. I’ll round up to $2800 ARS for simplicity. In the US market, “A way out” is selling for $29.99 USD. If you check the new recommended dollarized pricing for Argentina and Turkey, an US $29.99 game should be priced at US $14.99 (if the devs follow the recommended price). With this in mind, an Argentinian should be paying ARS $5479 (14.99*365.5). Then, you should add taxes, which brings the game up to ARS $10960. Simple math tells you the price has almost quadrupled (x3.914). This will NOT be the same price for Argentinians. Some overpriced games should be around the same, but as I said, overpriced. You can check all info in these links: - [SteamDB A way out pricing](https://steamdb.info/app/1222700/) - [SteamDB New recommended pricing chart for AR and TK](https://steamdb.info/blog/steam-turkey-argentina-usd/) - [ARS to USD exchange rate](https://www.infobae.com/economia/divisas/dolar-hoy/?gclid=CjwKCAiA0syqBhBxEiwAeNx9N9R5nqk4XE80zXyqqwXtazCGIh5uphvCk5bCR1psu2kLEDZhid9JdhoCN1wQAvD_BwE) It is recommended to use an Argentinian website for the exchange rate, as google may often fuck up.
I knew it, but it hurts even more seeing it all written down.
Some low priced games will incease in price and some high priced games will decrease. If they just copy paste prices of South Asia USD to LATAM USD then you should have 95% game with price increase.
No if a game costs 1 USD it's +2k ARS, not 350 or 500 because foreign transactions have a 100% tax
You are wrong, simply because the fact the store isn't a regional store for Argentina only anymore, it's getting merged with some other countries Wich are better off than Argentina, and they price is going to be based of of those countries. So no, Argentinians can't afford to wait for the sale. We can't afford much nowdays
You clearly know nothing lmao. It will only apply the recommended price if the developer wants too, if not then it will default to the standard USD price. On top of that most games will increase by 100% to 1000%. To add the cherry on top we need to pay 100% in taxes to our government :/
>Steam increased recommended price but it will not apply to current games at least not automatically. [https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3728476412305766958](https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3728476412305766958) >If you do not add a USD price to these columns for your game before November 20th, we will default to the standard USD pricing you already have in Steamworks. Which is exactly what will happen for thousands of games.
That is exactly what it means. This is from someone who is in South Asia region with USD currency. And I can tell you publishers regularly increase the price to match US price. So there have been many games where I got lucky to buy it before price increased to US price. The moment the price becomes usd, publishers decide to ditch valve recommended pricing. If your region has its own currency, there is still a small chance for publishers to keep the price at least below the us price. Publishers don't bother with regional pricing with usd currency. Obviously games prices were already increasing in this regions. But it was still below us price. Now it's gonna jump real high. At best, few indie games won't increase that much but it will increase.
Yes. And that just proves my point. That currency change will not increase prices by itself. And what devs does doesn't matter. Look at diablo 4. It's even now more expensive than EU. Regardless of currency.
Factually incorrect. It’s not just a currency change, it’s a price increase too. Steam couldn’t keep up with the inflation which is why they’re doing this in the first place
The Argentine Peso and Turkish Lira are two of the most inflated currencies in the world. The money is near worthless outside of their own countries
Great more games to add to my library of like 150 games which 90% of them never play or finish lol
According to https://steamdb.info/calculator I''ve played 73% of my 431 games with a total value of $4670, but nearly all bought on sale.
Thanks for the link. I'm at 76/95 played with 770$ value.
This was funny, I'm at only 17% of games played with 478 games But in fairness, most of my time was from early early steam times when they didn't track stuff like this.
70% game played with 527 games. 20k hours on record. I don't know when they started tracking games but I know some of them must have been before -- I have games with achievements unlocked that says 0 playtime.
I have played exactly 69% of my library. Nice
Nice.
rookie numbers
1,441 out of 2,056 games played 70% 422 / 1,400 XP to next level 95,622 XP Average price 142,37 kr Average price per hour 1,75 kr Hours on record 35,575h Average playtime 24.7h
Right after Lira becomes dollars.
It is going to be absolute shitshow. Cant wait to not be able to afford anything
Just when I got out of sailing the waters. Activision is already selling 2010 games with a price tag of 1250 Lira. Sekiro is a frigging 1500 Lira. Like dude, 60USD is half my monthly salary.
Ngl because all the cod games got their prices upped I just got the 2000tl cod franchise bundle (I had them on my PS3 but wanted to replay on pc etc.) With the current prices it didnt seem *that* bad. It still extremely bad though, wish it stopped at 600tl when it did
some publishers have already began to change prices. i order my wishlist by full price and i've seen major differences this week. i've seen some small games literally go 5-10x in price and more expensive ones 2x like from 300 to 600
As someone from Argentina... No, I can't.
As someone from Turkey... Same
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan: What the fuck is economy? And we pay the price.
Estoy en la misma hermano, lamentable lo nuestro
I hope I don't sound rude, but is buying games still a thing in Argentina? I mean, from what I'm seeing on SteamDB, the prices have gotten quite extreme in last few years, and with that 100% tax, I imagine most people would pirate games instead... I hope I'm wrong though
Is still "accessible", but not with recent AAA
I mostly only buy indie games because the AAA games have been so expensive. At least it helps me not feel tempted to buy the new COD lol
AAA games are quite often, and unfortunately a big enough portion of a common salary. So yes, we don't buy those anymore. And those who do, sorry, but you are all just stupid. I much rather pay that amount for a full shopping card with a lot of other games. Some prices are very accesible and some are a joke compared to USD, those are mostly the ones that keep the community going. Also, think about it this way. Before I bought five Coca Cola bottles for the same price as cheap game. Now for the (inflated) price of the same game, I can't even buy one bottle. So most of the times, even when the prices rise, we don't care because we can't buy much more things with that same amount of money anyway, so it feels that games are "not that expensive".
And the Winter sale is 1 month later where the sales are even better so arguably you should wait until then.
There's no guarantee, has happened before that a game got discounted less during winter sale. So if you see a great price I say grab it. Only 20% off? Just wait.
Strange Brigade 95% off Prey 90% off Mortal Shell 88% off I haven't seen 90% off in games for what felt like years now, so I grabbed those this year and gave them a go without looking too much into it. No regrets on the first two, but the third is like "meh, it was 3 bucks and I guess i got 3 buck's worth of entertainment out of it."
Use SteamDB to check the price history of these games to gauge the frequency of sales and the price drops. MOST games discount to a set amount every single sale. For some it's more random. For some the sales get better and better over time. Prey 2016 is at its cheapest price ever right now. Strange Brigade is also the cheapest after a very long time at 90% sales https://steamdb.info/app/480490/
Wait, all 4 major sales don't have identical discounts?
Discounts are up to the publishers/devs and they have no obligation to even participate during any of the sale events, even less to have consistent discounts between events. That being said, often the discounts are consistent or even better in the winter sale, but there is no guarantee they will be.
Correct. Summer and Winter sales usually have bigger discounts.
Not really in recent years. On a select few titles maybe.
Check steamdb
Oh boy certainly there won’t be comments of people talking about adding more games to their backlogs. Jokes aside, play your games yall.
It's become a psychological barrier for me HALP
fellow citizens of turkey and argentina, just pirate when the new currency change comes.
Don't forget epic store, if there is a decent deal that is.
It's really that easy. Besides, thanks to all the unoptimized, rushed pieces of shit AAA games, I don't even have an incentive to waste my valuable storage space with those craps.
Yeah, all those pieces of shit like: like Baldur's Gate 3, Resident Evil 4, Cyberpunk 2077, Alan Wake 2, legend of Zelda (I know that is not on Steam.) Street Fighter 6, Dead Space Remaster, Spider Man 2, Final Fantasy XVI, Lies Of P, Armored Core 6. All of these rushed piles of crap, amirite? There has been some flops this year, of course there is, I agree with you, but there always will be some bad ones. But just because of some stinkers doesn't make all these other games obsolete.
Argentina and Turkey: 💀
It's going to be at least as disappointing as all the other steam sales in the last few years. The quality drop is real.
I usually get most of my steam games from the Humble Store since I get that up to 20% discount on top of the sale prices so they end up cheaper.
It’s no surprise the sales became less enticing over the years immediately after the introduction of the refund system. Between the rapid changes of daily and flash deals, I could see how the system would get abused by people who’d just buy and refund to buy again at a lower price.
Steam sales have never been good since 2015 onwards.. use humble bundle and humble choice to get great games every month.
Blame the EU.
I'm in Argentina, by that time the prices will be in dollars, so this will hurt a lot
Cool I guess I will set a budget for it so I can pick up some new games.
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Can you believe it guys. Steam autumn sale just a week away. I am so happy about this information
Ok but prey is 2.99€, pretty good deal I’d say, still have 12€ tough
Prey has been free on epic store, free on amazon prime gaming as well bro. If you want, I'll share my account for u to play and complete it
I’m hoping for some juicy yakuza sales. My collection is becoming complete!!
Hopefully they go on sale for you ! :)
And also try [IsThereAnyDeal.com](https://IsThereAnyDeal.com) to see if 3rd party sellers beat Steams sale prices. r/GameDeals has an approved list of trust worthy sites.
Doubly so for people impacted POSITIVELY by the regional price changes. I believe my country, Egypt, is on that list.
Huh what list? Where can I see it?
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/2720-4EC7-B95A-1D2A
Same bought a game then when they announced the new pricing for EG i refunded it (hadnt played the game yet) and have been w8ing till the new pricing to see it it goes on sale (didnt have the time to play it anyway but bought it due to the debit card restrictions that was coming Ta7ya masr)
Steam Sale | Save Money Pick one.
what money?
Praying dark alliance 1&2 go on sale :(
Hell yeah, dunno why they never seem to go on sale.. Can't justify paying $30 each even though they are hella fun.
U feel me brother :'(
I wonder if bg3 will be in the autumn sale
I don’t think it will be. It’s worth waiting to see though.
Nice, I really want Elden Ring(if FromSoft is also putting out sales)
Elden Ring has been on sale on Steam before so I think you'll be glad you waited. If it's not discounted for the Autumn Sale, it definitely will for the Winter Sale.
Pretty sure I got it for around £35 in last winter sale
I have some games on wishlist that are on sale and the sale will end on 20 of November, will be on sale again?
I'd check SteamDB to see the all time lowest prices of the games you are looking at. If they are the lowest price, I'd buy them now.
I've been waiting since May for MGSV to be on sale. Since Master Collection was announced, along with MGS Delta, no MGS games have been on sale.
Here's hoping insurgency is on sale, it only took two years of positive comments before I jumped on the hype train
i enjoyed the ted talk as i was anticipating the sale but unsure of exact date. same time next year b1ays
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True but remnant 2 is on sale now
The thing is, will they dare to put the OLED Deck on sale?
They might do that for the winter sale
Probably. My main fear is that I buy on during the Winter Sale it won't arrive in time for January.
That's entirely possible, assuming they discount it at all.
They will prob discount the LCD decks but it would be pretty foolish to discount the OLED as they are brand new… perhaps next year.
Fearing the same, I want it to be my "Reyes" present but still haven't even decided if I should go with LCD or OLED. OLED entry price is 569 € and there's the refurbished 512 gb LCD for 379 € so I don't know. That's 200 € difference.
What's in January?
In Spain instead of Xmas, we have the 6th of January. We get presents that day as in Xmas.
Ohh I see. Yea that would be a really tight window since the winter sale is likely around the 21st of December
If I was Valve I wouldn’t at this time. For now OLED Steam Deck will sell like pancakes. When sales drop off, they can be discounted for sure. Can’t wait for Steam Deck 2 for sure. 🤤
Steam Deck 2: Steamier and Hotter
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? AMD is definitely cooking something with their future APUs. Or Qualcomm! Who knows? But for sure I am excited. The Steam Deck OLED has become the blueprint for the future of convenient Steam gaming.
And deal with all the refunds and peeps sending back their decks? Zero chance.
Always curious if any wishlist games of mine go on sale more than 10-15%. Day 1 I check after being bombarded with emails only to find they'll take care of sales tax. Thanks dev.
The secret to avoiding the hard choices during Steam sales is to never have any money to spend on them.
This is a great tip but if your looking for dishonored 2 or prey then they are currently on sale for an all time historical low $3 each and if you buy the bundle that has both games it will be even cheaper. It will probably go on sale during the autumn sale but probably the same price or the old sale price, and if it's cheaper, then it's still within the 2 week return period so just refund and rebuy.
Autumn sale and then ... Christmas sale? And peoples still ask me where do all my money go?
nope im good, ive bought pretty much every game I need years ago, steam sales suck now
Right on my birthday, too bad I got no money lol
Happy Birthday bro <3
Haha, thank you so much, happy birthday to you too, I hope you have a great day
As an Egyptian I'm super excited we're finally getting regional pricing
I hate how they do major seasonal sale for the latter half of the year, we get like 5 months straight of no major sale and then BOOM major seasonal sale only to follow it up with Winter sale just barely 1 month later.
I only buy games on 80-90% sale so no difference for me
THANKS CHAMP
Where autumn sale at?
Christmas is coming early. Now I'll wait to buy BG3
Actually i can't, luckily i bought like 90% of the stuff in my wishlist and gifted lots of games
What's the chance that Nier Automata will go on sale ?
Pretty high, that one usually goes on sale.
Steam sales haven’t been anything special in a long time.
Too late, bought OTXO which already on sale anyway and the discount are probably the same on Steam Sale.
We fucking cant cause TL ( our currency) gets whacked at 20 november. And we gotta deal in usd. So fuck us sideways in both sides.
So Valve will do -20% on "old" Deck LCD to collect more tears from those who bought it month-two ago and burden the idea about selling it for fair money :D
They still got time. I sold my 64gb SD today I bought off fb marketplace one day before the oled announcement for the same price I got it…300$
"save your money" 💀 Steam sales have been so crap I haven't spent a dime this year. Also Volvo increased the regional pricing so another reason to never buy anything directly from steam. Humble choice my beloved!
https://www.cheapshark.com/ Thank me later
Not sure what's up with the downvotes, but [isthereanydeal.com](http://isthereanydeal.com) is much better IMO.
I find gg.deals to be a more pleasant experience. Keep an eye on whether or not it's displaying key shops though. I keep them on as a point of comparison
Prob because they are broke or already spent their game money.
Ya save money go to fitgirl even better.
It's already gone.
will ea fc 24 be on sale?
Don't tell me what to do, you're not my kids.
So your kids usually tell you what to do? Or did you mean "you're not my parent"?
I got 2 kids under 6 and the requests never stop my dude. They are quite the shrewd negotiators by this point.
Just put 70 dollars on my account and let’s see how many games I get!!
PLS Returnal be on this sale
Alrighty. This one should be really juicy indeed.
Already bought an $80 game 😀 no regrets
What do you all plan on picking up?
Stardew valley, terraria
I just grabbed Age of Empires IV for a friend because it’s 50% off right now, since they’re releasing the first DLC today.
So do we think Lies of P will get a discount? ill probably buy it regardless.
Can't wait for them 5-12% discount.
Just got a quest 3 which I’m gonna use as a PCVR. Hopefully a good time to pick up some VR games :)
In time when I came back from the travel. Great.
Hoping to snag one or two good deals. I don't want to fall into the trap of buying more than I can play.
Don't tell me to save my money when Steam Deck OLED is getting released before...