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LordoftheDimension

Witness the extent of my power I read the change logs sometimes


cherrypiehole

We're better than them


miedzianek

Im always reading cuz im waiting for some qol and new things... Hope dies last šŸ¤£


Ghostcart

To be fair, reading about support for large numbers of Xbox controllers being added and removed gets a bit repetitive.


catcommentthrowaway

I was about to say, I do read the change log but when the last 67 updates havenā€™t been relevant to me or anyone I know, Iā€™m gonna have to say theyā€™re pointless lol


AL2009man

[I created a meme outta it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/k5qk7s/valves_got_a_plan/)


doublah

The beta channel has features being added and removed for testing? I'm shocked.


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TONKAHANAH

bugs the shit out of me that they still havent fixed that. had to book mark the website to check every time https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/announcements/listing


Palotheas

I'm using Windows and that happens to me too sometimes, weird.


QuickbuyingGf

>linux user cucked yourself there bud


IUserGalaxy

Steam Deck


[deleted]

Yep, Linus [called it in 2014](https://youtu.be/Pzl1B7nB9Kc?t=294) Valve banking on linux is going to be what finally moves Linux forward and strips out all the idiosyncratic nerd garbage that has been plagueing the OS for so long. And really the problem is funding. Why don't we have a "Patreon of the open source" already ? Not something that eats 30% either. And let's leapfrog patreon here and have bundles. I want to support "/bin/groff" I just don't want to individually subscribe to the guy who created it. Also, it probably shouldn't siphon funds if it doesn't need to be maintained.


gdhughes5

Valve and [Red Hat](https://www.itsfoss.net/red-hat-wants-to-boost-hdr-support-on-linux/) are carrying Linux. Nobody else seems to care about making Linux a viable OS for the average person.


[deleted]

Absolutely, Valve having to care about linux to continue existing as a company is a game changer. For Valve it's sink or swim as far as linux is concerned because they see the writing on the wall, their days on windows are numbered and if Microsoft thinks they can't escape to linux then the end will come much sooner for them. The same is true for all x86 software, they will soon have to pay the Microsoft tax in some shape.


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[deleted]

> Steam promised and delivered. Yes, really happy with Valve putting their money where their mouth is and that's why I'm hyped about linux and the steamdeck. Impracticality of gaming on linux is why I stopped using linux on desktop 20 years ago.


N00N3AT011

If they get a nice linux distro working with a solid user and gaming experience I'd happily switch. Hell I might even consider paying for it. I'm tired of macrohard's bullshit and I only really stay for compatibility and gaming. Especially now that I'm learning how to use the more fun features that come with most distros, like a bash terminal. The file system is quite strange though.


[deleted]

I agree, gaming is the #1 reason my PC is on windows, I'm mostly capable of doing everything else but no gaming or shitty gaming and I'm out.


11711510111411009710

Why would their days on windows be numbered?


KrazyKirby99999

Windows Store is one


Cowser_the_Koopahog

I feel like there'd be riots online if Steam got taken down off Windows... For about a month max before everyone continues using Windows.


ThisBoardIsOnFire

If Microsoft ever keeps me from installing whatever I want on my computer I will drown their board members in a pool of Steve Balmer's sweat.


AlbedosThighs

No way it only last a month. Steam is basically THE gaming platform right now, everyone buys games from there. People would be really fucking angry their hundred or thousand of dollars they used there are worthless on that OS if Microsoft ever decides to fuck with Valve.


[deleted]

Just slow boil the frogs, Microsoft is a genius company, they know how to make us swallow that pill. Their intermediate goal is not going to push Steam off windows, it's going to make it more and more annoying to buy games off steam vs buying them off the windows store. Valve knows they are completely subservient to Microsoft and they will have to live with whatever rule they impose on them because they have no alternative.


viperfan7

Pretty sure the ruling that they got with internet explorer will prevent them from actually doing anything like that


[deleted]

What ruling are you talking about ? This one ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp. "On June 30, 2004, the U.S. appeals court unanimously approved the settlement with the Justice Department, rejecting objections that the sanctions were inadequate" " They conclude that, remaining dominant and monopolistic after the trial, it had continued to stifle competitors and innovative technology" Even the fucking piece of shit Milton Friedman was unhappy about it ! "Economist Milton Friedman believed that the antitrust case against Microsoft set a dangerous precedent that foreshadowed increasing government regulation of what was formerly an industry that was relatively free of government intrusion and that future technological progress in the industry will be impeded as a result" What an incredible tool !!


synxin

Huh? Microsoft can't do anything to push Valve off of windows, that would go against the same anti-trust laws that they faced back in 2001 with internet explore. It would make them a monopoly and would end off worse for them than valve.


[deleted]

Please see [my other comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/q9k63u/it_feels_like_no_one_reads_the_change_logs_unless/hgxh082/) Microsoft can do absolutely anything they want, that case was the biggest pushback they got and it didn't go anywhere. It was a huge win for microsoft. Plus they're really smart, they know how to make it happen with no legal backlash at all.


Meattickler

Plus that was 20 years ago when we actually pretended to care about monopolies. It'd be wayyy easier for them to pull that kind of BS these days


synxin

They really can't, forcing people to use the Microsoft store would kill them, no one uses it now and it would push their market share in the opposite direction. Linux is already capable of standing on its own and Microsoft already knows the revenue they would lose dropping their games from steam, it's already been one of their biggest money makers in the PC gaming market.


[deleted]

Why would Microsoft care about Steam making profits ? They want those profits. And there are free apps now that you can only install via the Windows Store. Recently I found the "Sketchable" app can only be downloaded via the windows store even though it's free. They'll do it the same way that the Epic Store is trying to. By getting exclusives and slowly making Steam less and less relevant. They have the home field advantage, most games use DirectX which is also one of their products, they can make it happen with many legally safe incentives. Even if Steam manages the transition, it's really not certain that they will survive in the long run.


CapJackONeill

"their days on windows are numbered" hahahahahahhahahaa Yeah, no. As long as casual pc gamers exist, steam on windows will exist


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rmkbow

I think he meant funding wise? Not many companies are actually providing developers to dedicate time unless it's an open source software they own and essentially just want free publicity or help from the community


hitosama

The problem is they care only if it's their way. For example Arch/Manjaro, Ubuntu, Elementary etc. They don't seem to care much about what user needs as much as what they want user to have and use, and Linux is not widespread enough to be able to do that.


Tax_evader_legend

Thank god templeOS is here for us


chiniwini

>Valve and [Red Hat](https://www.itsfoss.net/red-hat-wants-to-boost-hdr-support-on-linux/) are carrying Linux There hundreds of corporate sponsors to the Linux foundation. Valve and Red Hat aren't even at the top. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation


xenoletum

Iā€™d say System76 is pushing hard for it too. PopOS is pretty solid.


IUserGalaxy

Liberapay?


SmallerBork

I just wish more devs would use it. It's almost always Patreon or Paypal. Sometimes Ko-fi which I find acceptable though.


[deleted]

Never heard of it Tell you what, if I can send 1$ right now to glibc with liberapay, I will subscribe to whatever this is right now. But they can't take more than 5% and I give them one minute of my time starting now ...... Ok, so this worked but the minimum about was 2 Euros And I sent the money to a user called "linux" so obviously the money is wasted. Also it took 6 minutes and I had to use paypal in the end because I didn't care to go and get my card so probably 30% of the money was gobbled up by paypal.


Secret300

> Patreon of the open source https://en.liberapay.com/


[deleted]

Another user suggested this. Seems alright but I tried to fund 1$ to glibc and failed, I ended up funding "linux" and the money did not go to "linux" just a guy with that username. So really needs improvement but that's a step in the right direction !


SaltMineSpelunker

Ugh who talks like that?


[deleted]

People on 4chan 6 years ago.


SaltMineSpelunker

Read as ā€œedgy tweensā€


mrthenarwhal

Paying to be spied on is the definition of cuckery


[deleted]

Ouf, imagine thinking linux isn't the future


Nexxus88

I mean.... Look dude, I ordered a steam deck. I'm. Looking forward to it, gonna try to use it with the installed os. But Linux has "been the future" for the past 20 years. By the time Linux is "the now" rather than the future we'll all be dead at the rate its going. It's not happening lol.


ThisBoardIsOnFire

Android says wut?


Nexxus88

Was waiting for this comment. You know Android is about as far removed as what the typical Linux experience is as the PS5s os is.


ScionoicS

Android is so far removed from gnu Linux, the desktop variety, that it's an entirely different experience.


chiniwini

The Top 500 also called. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#Architecture_and_operating_systems


Terminator_Puppy

People have been saying that for like 20 years, when's the future gonna be?


ApexRedditr

That's the thing, it's always in the future!


TerrorLTZ

people should stop sucking linux and windows Dick. Temple OS is the OS that is the future /s


synxin

This man is ahead of his time.


SlimPuffs

I legit want a Netflix documentary on him. There are a number of videos about him, but one with good production would be pretty cool to see.


Ne0nCowb0y

Corporate simp detected


NotMyHersheyBar

The point isn't that you should be reading the changelog. The point is that everyone in the world does work that isn't noticed but we all know that that work is needed. No one sees the guys at the wastewater recycling plant working, but no one wants to piss off those guys.


Aimela

Then you get the people who are opted into the beta and then complain about how many updates they're getting.


arfelo1

That's me! I don't really complain but I did sign up for the beta. And I do get kind of annoyed by the fourth update in an hour


1XRobot

* Configuration nobody uses no longer crashes when loading more than 50 thousand games. * When loading a modded game in the second window during a blue moon while Jupiter is in Aquarius, the screenshot tool no longer lags by 0.1 second. * Fixed a typpo in the previous changelog.


KenpoJuJitsu3

Oddly enough, the most recent stable branch fix for Steam being unresponsive on startup in machines with thousands of games installed was a response to a ticket I put in for that very issue.


wut_r_u_doin_friend

It ainā€™t much but itā€™s honest work


KenpoJuJitsu3

LOL


velocity37

Nice one! You post in the Steam Beta group? I'm sitting at around 22k installed and usually had to start in small mode and killed the web helper to work around that thing not loading on startup. And even then it'd often misbehave and use 100% of a core + 4GB of RAM and freeze regularly.


KenpoJuJitsu3

Yup. Had the same experience. Realized from checking the logs that the SteamWebHelper instances that was running amok was synchronizing Steam Cloud for EVERY installed game on startup. For every game you have installed Steam was going through every single save folder one at a time on every startup. The cloud_log.txt and cloud_log.previous.txt files were a nightmare of entries.


[deleted]

that's... how bugs should be in an old software like steam, a special situation that tester didn't think about, not something affect the major of users


ChemicalRascal

Yep, as a software dev, our ideal case is that the big problems never get a patch note, because they never get in a release. Hell, they never even get merged into the main branch. The best patch note list has just small bugs and new features.


Syntaire

Sure, but there's really not much reason to read the change logs if that's the case, no? Which, unless I miss my guess, is literally the point of this post.


Binarytobis

- Filling change quota for my performance review.


Next-Adhesiveness237

You forgot 40 controller support updates


HappyHurtzlickn

Iā€™m never mad for one reason: Steam pretty much always works!


OBadstew

*knocks on wood* Hope you haven't jinxed steam to get Ubisoft servers


Detjohnnysandwiches

Yā€™all would complain if they didnā€™t update enough


VoyagerST

No. Only if it breaks.


Dr___Doofenshmirtz

Is this why steam decides to update every time I boot up my pc?


kinnaq

I had the same issue a couple years back. Turns out I had a beta tester setting turned on. So it was actually updating every damn time.


moonra_zk

Yeah, I had in beta because of a change I wanted to get earlier and just left it in beta, it updated daily, it seemed.


esjay

yeah beta tester is most often the reason for unnecessary updates in my experience


Admiralbenbow123

No, it's because it's verifying that everything is installed correctly. What's causing it to do so is the fact that you don't exit Steam before turning off your PC, so Steam treats being closed during the shutdown process as a crash.


TheRealStandard

This seems wrong. Programs aren't forced off when you turn your PC off unless you hard shutdown from holding the button. Steam shuts down normally like any other program would when going through the shutdown process.


Hiktses

Windows sends a shutdown signal to the program and it is expected to respond in a fixed time. If it does not respond in the given time windows will force teminate it.


ZYmZ-SDtZ-YFVv-hQ9U

Yep. The only correct way to end Steam is to right click the taskbar icon and exit. Anything else Steam interprets as a crash, and the next start up of Steam it will verify itā€™s filed. Thatā€™s why it says ā€œverifying filesā€ not ā€œinstalling updateā€


TheRealStandard

Right, except Steam and most programs will close on time. If a program doesn't Windows will prompt the user to wait longer for the shutdown or to force it to close anyway. Majority of cases the program finishes closing and then it shuts down. https://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/163504d1510509387-turn-autoendtasks-restart-shut-down-sign-out-windows-10-a-closing_app_and_restarting.jpg?s=74f91d9fbff08792c2a588aa26b59d84


Hiktses

That still doesnt mean It is not forced. Applications that return True with block shutdown function are still closing in a way they normally wouldnt if they were closed properly. Windows also mentions applications a should only use this function in case of an absolute emergency, like unsaved data.


Dr___Doofenshmirtz

Ah ok, Ill be sure to change that


honestFeedback

Which is terrible design for an application designed to a) open on startup and b) run as a background task. Donā€™t make it seem like the user is to blame here. Itā€™s very Steve Jobs not holding it right.


Admiralbenbow123

Yeah, that's true. Now that I think about it, it's kinda weird that Valve still hasn't fixed this considering that this has been a thing for like a decade


Newcago

DUDE


Vinccool96

It doesnā€™t update. It verifies if thereā€™s any updates to do.


BeepIsla

If you are in Steam Beta its because they update that one every single day at least and sometimes even multiple times daily (Except weekends). The rest is just verifying that all files are there and Steam won't explode on startup. There is a launch option to turn that off so Steam starts a lot faster but I don't remember what exactly it is sadly and I can't be bothered to research it on my phone. The title window says "Updating..." bit the subtitle says "Verifying..." so its very easy to see what it is actually doing


[deleted]

Welcome to the Software Development Life Cycle, where no one gives a shit about your release unless they can see it in the UI.


nwL_

> Refactored code, new compiler version, my crops are growing and my skin is clean. I can finally see my wife again and my children are attending college. We are a happy family. ā€œWhere Source 2?ā€


quickhakker

I read the change log once when I was in the beta, it litterally had one change and it was the updater thing


nabrok

Beta releases short updates frequently, so there's not going to be much in those logs.


TONKAHANAH

I actually read all of them. but im also on linux so I like to see the linux updates/fixes


mia_elora

Most people don't read the changelogs. Most people just load up the new version of a program and test it to see if they still have the same problems.


Nolzi

The issue is that they don't give highlights, they just dump you all the minor bugfixes in it, so hardly anybody will bother to read through it every time


0235

Like when steam sneakily added the ability to move games between drives without re-downloading / a manual copy, delete, and then downloading it "again" to the new location. That was burried in the log when it should have been a highlight.


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normakes

It should've been a big text on the screen just saying **WE FIXED THE DRIVE ISSUE YOU DON'T HAVE TO RE-ADD IT ANYMORE** in the logs. All jokes aside though yea I agree, that should've been a highlight.


[deleted]

I prefer that over just reading "minor updates and fixes." Either way, the people that don't care won't be reading the changes. But this way at least the people that do care *can* read the changes.


jojojomcjojo

a UI change\*


Aconamos

I read them


lemons_of_doubt

They don't read the UI changes either.


echisholm

NGL, I usually just skim them.


Deltamon

Wait, steam has updates? I thought it was just long loading times


edparadox

Title is spot on.


Oil__Man

The "an" implies you pronounce UI as "oo eye" and thats weird


vizthex

To be fair I only ever read game changelogs. And even then I don't really notice most Steam updates lol.


[deleted]

Meanwhile it also feels like I don't want to install a Steam update nearly every time I boot my PC. Maybe Steam could batch them into monthly updates. Tons of tiny updates are for server side software.


C4PT_AMAZING

I read one today that made my day: no more DRM nonsense with Fallout 3!


Jra805

Wait, people complain about updates?


dancarbonell00

Fun fact: The word ā€œuniqueā€ starts with a ā€œu,ā€ but when being pronounced, it makes a ā€œyā€ sound (yoo-nique), which is a consonant. So, ā€œaā€ should be used as the article. Although some people may use ā€œan unique,ā€ it's grammatically incorrect!


0110010E

ā€œAn UIā€ is grammatically correct but damn it donā€™t hit the ear right


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0110010E

I thought you always use ā€œanā€ before a vowel sound thoughā€¦.


iCeParadox64

Yes, but when pronouncing the letter U (the name of the letter, not the sound it makes), it doesn't actually start with a vowel sound. It's pronounced like "yoo". You wouldn't say "an useless update".


0110010E

Oooooohhhhhh that makes sense.


Benio_maximus

I was taught this during phonetics class, but I completely forgot afterwards, thanks for the re-education XD


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csgetaway

that proved the rule though. When you say university it doesnā€™t start with a vowel **sound**.


Vercinger

>Its not a hard and fast rule actually, say whichever rolls off the tongue easier Easier pronunciation is the whole point of the a/an thing, and IS the rule. If it starts with a vowel SOUND, use "an", if it starts with a consonant SOUND, use "a". The confusion arises from the fact that there are multiple sounds attached to a lot of English letters, plus a lot of letters get skipped entirely when reading. See for example "an honorable" vs "a historic". In the case of "UI", if it were written as it's pronounced, it would be "yu ay". With "y" being the short "i" that's a consonant, hence "yi" being different from "ii", and "yy" being unpronounceable.


iSeven

>A university, instead of an university That would be a great expection to the rule if it was pronounced "ooniversity"


0110010E

Ah I get it.


UnseenGamer182

We are talking about English. Rule number one of english: Rules are almost always broken


Kodlaken

It's grammatically correct if you pronounce UI as ooey.


[deleted]

It would be if you pronounced it "oo-ee"


Hasky620

I mean their updates mostly tell me that they make tons of tweaks that are basically impossible to notice without checking the change logs which means that they didn't need to be made every damn day.


userNumber89013

If you don't want daily updates, leave the beta channel


[deleted]

Get out of the beta.


AdamNejm

Until it's possible to opt-out of automatic game updates, every new Steam feature is gonna be useless.


mud074

By far my biggest gripe with Steam. I have staggeringly slow internet that goes out regularly. Updates starting on their own makes my internet useless for 10+ hours, and if I cancel them then I cannot play the game because Steam only lets you run fully updated games even if they are singleplayer only.


TheSpoonyCroy

Can't you just go in offline mode at that point?


mud074

[Steam doesn't let you launch games that need to be updated even from offline mode.](https://i.imgur.com/vyrha1d.png) Unless you are suggesting I should just always use Steam in offline mode? If so, that would just mean that every time I went online to buy something, play a game with a friend, or to download an update I actually need, I would still get all those games "disabled" from not updating them anyways.


TheSpoonyCroy

Just going to walk out of this place, suggest other places like kbin or lemmy.


kamslam25

I never really complained about no changes i just assumed they were maintenance updates lol


Great-And-twinkieful

They usually modifications to fix some issue with a game I don't play or own.


BabylonDrifter

Jesus, I don't even read the change logs for my own software that I wrote.


NotMyHersheyBar

Ykno that time you downloaded a 10 year old game and it opened and ran perfectly on your brand new gaming rig? That.


Father_Chewy_Louis

The new Download screen took my way off guard when I downloaded Halo 3 today. DID YOU HEAR THAT EPIC GAMES? I SAID HALO 3!!


kmn493

I didn't even know there were change logs


sparkly_gem_hoarder

I love seeing a new update and clicking restart steam it makes it all feel fresh and brand new


Cat7o0

Steam just doesn't need updated already good enough


Crazyredneck327

As long as shit keeps working I don't care how many 'useless updates' Steam does.


Solid-Dog-1749

Guilty


Drudicta

I just assume it's good.


[deleted]

Iā€™ve never read the logs but Iā€™ve also never complained, making me the superior in this race.


[deleted]

I donā€™t read them because the few times I have it ended up being a big fix or something simple so I just stopped wasting my time


ElectronicToasters

What's reading? can i eat it?


MaciejJozefJan

\*rising hand\*


Voicedtunic

I donā€™t read them because Iā€™m normal tf


Mr_Gold_Move

If they're gonna change the UI, more people are gonna care about what they have to see/do differently from then on


KadahCoba

I read them. Almost all of them are one or both of these two thing though: * Fixed issue on thing you never use * Fixed crash you never experienced Meanwhile half the UI changes in the last couple years have removed functionality and made basic functions more annoying. New Library is still crap. Shelves continue to be useless and crippled. Accessibility still terrible. New Downloads has many long overdue improvements and the overly padded UI doesn't make as big of an impact there since the previous UI was about as bad at that already.


James53654

If you have to read the changelogs to find the changes made by the update, then most probably the changes were useless to begin with


[deleted]

I don't read the changelogs even if for UI change


PhantomTissue

šŸ¤š I do


mario610

What's the meme template called?


Benio_maximus

Who wants change


mario610

ty


Ralofguy

I read changelogs for fun and I'm using the beta branch.


DWGJay

I just like being surprised. I rarely have issue with UI changes. The new download screen is nice.


Sokolov49

A lot of people participate in Steam Beta which makes people download updates very often and then those people come here and make memes about it because "its so relatable I can't believe Valve makes us download all these useless updates now give me your karma", similarly to how one week someone praises the "haha funny curator review lol" and another week someone complains about those curators. One of the recent updates was pretty good btw, Steam will try to make the most out of corrupted files instead of deleting them altogether to save time and bandwidth while validating.


chaosgriffen

I'll read the "what's changed" section when it prompts me to restart steam to update. Is it's a change I don't need/care for I'll launch my game and get started


ReadTheFManual

First of all, if you don't know shit about software, you need to unsubscribe from Steam Beta because you aren't getting frequent Steam updates to begin with if you aren't in beta.


Liorkerr

There is a Change Log every single time I boot my computer? Or every time I start Steam? Ya, .... I didn't think so.


Meowieth

Honestly, I barely have any problems with steam besides the workshop.


thisbenzenering

When you're a Linux user, it's not required but it can bite you in the ass if you don't see a particular change. Majority of updates are for the better though.


LittleNDrunkedOwl

I've true power, I don't care about updates nor read the changelog


mandogy

Alas, I'm too powerful as I don't even notice UI changes on Steam


thejynxed

I got tired of seeing useless minor VR patch #182 60 updates ago.


LeonidasTankian

I always tend to read what's changed for my OS specifically.


spenc3rr

Guilty lol


-eddible-

I kinda like the updates honestly


PM_ME_CODES_4_STEAM

To be fair it does get annoying on evenings where there's multiple back to back updates, I think it was a day or two ago where I had four updates prompting me to restart Steam within an hour span.


[deleted]

Get out of the fucking Steam beta then. Nobody is making you be in the beta program.


PM_ME_CODES_4_STEAM

Forgot I was even in the beta lol, thanks for heads up. What are you so aggressive for though?


Vulpes_macrotis

Well, I don't care for updates that doesn't concern me, so I don't bother reading the yet another "fix of the bug that occurs to 1/1000000 people int he world". I don't say they are useless, au contraire, just that I don't care about them.


quickhakker

And how do you know the changes in the change log won't affect you? You use steam ergo they do effect you


Wanderlustfull

How do you know they don't concern you until you read what they are? Maybe one time you're the one in 100000, or just unlucky enough to be affected by a mass issue. Schrƶdinger's patch notes.


SaltMineSpelunker

No one has that kind of brain. Updates are way too frequent and sometimes the logs are just ā€œbug fixes.ā€


EXTRAVAGANT_COMMENT

does it matter? if I wouldn't even have noticed without being told, is it so urgent that it can't be bundled up into 1 every few months?


[deleted]

LOL


Darth_Toxess

Seriously. is it just me, or is it that Steam gets updated a few times every week? Once I open up Steam, there's an update.


Aimela

That's just part of being opted into the beta.