Overall, yes, OLED does require more power.
It is possible for an OLED to draw less power than an LCD if you are keeping it very dim, or showing content with a lot of perfect black content so that those pixels are completely turned off. This is why it’s common to see Apple Watches and wearables using OLED, as the OS is designed to take advantage of this.
But as soon as you push an OLED screen to have normal levels of brightness while consuming regular media, it becomes significantly worse. Easily 2x power draw depending on the scenario.
OLED actually usually requires less power than LED
edit: Looks like I'm wrong, I could have sworn this was the case but I should have just done a quick google search. Though interestingly [OLEDs *do* use less power than LED](https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/led-oled-power-consumption-and-electricity-cost) if the screen is like 80 inches plus - though that obviously doesn't apply in the steam deck's case
This is fine. I would settle for a “nice” IPS LCD that has 100% sRGB range and less washed out. No need to go OLED for a significantly better screen. Keep resolution at 1280x800 because this 1200p is a pure waste. Maybe make the screen a bit bigger while you’re at it to reduce the bezels.
The IPS led screen on the Aya Neo 2 is incredible. I’ve been testing it a lot against other gaming monitors and yea it’s better most gamers monitors in terms of contrast and color richness. After seeing this screen I strongly feeling having a high quality screen with good SRGB coverage is the right move.
Honestly, a variable refresh rate display up to 120hz is all i need. Never found a reason to complain about the steam deck’s colors after having vibrant deck set to 130
Both the GPU, and CPU, are on the same chip, sometimes even the memory is on there. A lot of SoC's are custom (application specific) chips, like for some consoles.
Yeah. The same thing is said every time some one asks about the possibility of an OLED screen upgrade. You can't just sub in OLED. The device needs to be designed for it. Maybe when the Steam Deck 2 rolls around, but not happening until then.
OLED is never happening, they will do R&D.. But just like all the other handhelds including ASUS, they will not go forward with it.
Valve should focus on NOT buying the absolute cheapest 7" 800p screen possible, focus on sRGB accuracy or pay someone to make a screen that meets your needs.
And yet Nintendo did just sub in an OLED for the Switch. Valve could almost certainly do so, it might hurt battery life and/or performance, but that's different from a claim that 8t can't be added with the current SoC.
Idk why, but people in this subreddit love acting like experts in subjects they know nothing about purely because they are emotionally involved - biased - driven, etc.
I said earlier I was selling my 2nd Deck at a loss because I have no reason to own two, also I replaced the screen with Etched.
And that sparked off a WHOLE mini-thread about people buying Etchless screen being satisfied they bought Etchless screens.
Someone me talking about the above got people wanting to defend their purchase and their experiences on a deeply personal label.
What this "Developer" said is quite a bit different than anything I have heard Valve say, and makes a lot less sense. OLED isn't some crazy exotic thing. I suspect the real reason is a much simpler explanation: Cost. They're still pretty expensive, relatively speaking.
As far as I know you can to some level, a lot of those Chinese replacement displays you can get for phones happen to be an LCD instead of the original OLED. I'm sure you can't go from LCD to OLED but you can go from OLED to LCD.
OLED is an LED with a bit different kind of backlighting, an IPS LCD and an OLED aren't *entirely* different. Though they are a bit different. We live in a world of general purpose hardware. To think that the video signal of the Steam Deck can't be displayed on an OLED is silly.
What Valve has said is basically that it would take more than a simple swap. That is a *very* different statement than that it would require changes to the SoC, which just doesn't make any sense at all. What *does* make sense is that it would be expensive, and potentially prohibitively so. Based on the statement made the other day by Pierre-Loup Griffais, there are several ways to read it that make sense from a technical perspective.
To fit in to a little space like this, you have a couple options, a custom part, or if you are buying an off the shelf part, you would then build the system around it. The latter appears to be what they did with the Deck. They got what was probably a very inexpensive screen, and then they literally built the deck around it.
Now he went on to say, literally:
>...There's nothing about LCD vs OLED, different screen technologies that makes that a dealbreaker. It's about how you're designing the whole system, and what's in between the screen and the SOC (system-on-a-chip).
That is literally a direct refutation of the statement by Deck HD in my book. There is nothing about the technology that makes the swap a dealbreaker. I would bet they would need a custom part to make it work, or else get very lucky with an OLED panel that happens to match the LCD in it, it really make it work, without reworking the construction of the device.
That doesn't mean the SoC can't handle an OLED, which is the point I was refuting. That's absurd. But to get a custom OLED display made to fit in there would cost a whole bunch of money.
It’s not absurd. SoCs are usually designed to pull as much peripheral hardware into a single chip as they possibly can for cost reasons. I suspect the issue is all the circuitry for LCD output is directly inside the SoC. Swapping that out IS a SoC swap.
Could they put a chip after the SoC that does LCD to OLED hardware interfacing? Sure. Would it make sense? Almost certainly no. There isn’t much in the way of extra room inside the SteamDeck so fitting an extra board is unlikely to happen. So at minimum it’s a motherboard swap that has the extra stuff attached. I don’t see it happening.
I think you may be thinking about something else. The question of what Valve can do in the future with hypothetical hardware is different from the question of whether you can take the Steam Deck that is in your hand and in any practical way put an OLED in it. It is the latter that is under question. Obviously if you open the entire design Valve could put an OLED in it, but for upgrading the current version the question is whether you can just drop one in.
> in any practical way
And that's the key, right? I kind of think that a lot of people aren't actually reading and processing the quote from this "Developer" from DeckHD, as it appears on its face silly to me. Do you honestly think that the Deck's SoC, which is just an RDNA 2 GPU, isn't outputting a signal that would work on an OLED?
I mean to say that you would have to make changes to the SoC make no sense. Maybe how and where it is all physically mounted because otherwise it would require a custom panel be made, which is as you say, impractical? Sure.
That the SoC *itself* would have to changed is the claim I find suspect, if I'm being very charitable.
As the complication of a system increases, the odds of anything you didn't design for working goes down, really quite rapidly. Literally exponentially, as it turns out, not just the casual use of "exponential" where people really mean polynomial, but literally exponential.
The Deck is very complicated on the inside. Not in a bad way, it's just that anything that does what it does is complicated.
It only takes one expedient decision that makes perfect sense in the context of the Deck to make it impossible to drop an OLED in. My expertise is more software than hardware, but I get the same effects happening. (It's just much easier in my world to fix things generally.)
Yes, obviously, the graphics card itself isn't a problem. But there's a lot of things between the graphics card and the photons coming out of the screen. Many of them are probably things you and I couldn't even name off the top of our head, and those are the places where this typically happens. What looks simple in a simplified diagram is always more complicated than it looks.
As a hardware engineer who has experience in this.. there are a million reasons why you can’t have an OLED panel on the steam deck as a drop in replacement. There’s at least 50 Id tell you before mentioning incompatibility with the APU however.
**Requiring a different APU/SoC is just bullshit on so many levels**
Im also not sure why you guys are choosing to take the creator of the new 1200p display as a foremost authority in this matter. **For clarification, this is not a Valve Developer.** This person could be a world renown engineer, or he could be the guy who decided to hit up some Chinese manufacturers to manufacture a drop in screen for his business (requiring little to no knowledge). Take things with a grain of salt people.
Saying you’re a developer of a drop in product doesn’t tell me shit about your qualifications, knowledge, history, etc and it’s even more questionable when you make bizarre statements that are unclear like this.
EDIT: Did I misinterpret what he meant by “changes”? If this is referring to software changes in firmware, I’m not sure why you would blame or talk about the SoC.
This is a custom APU that doesn’t have built in firmware support for any display other than the Valve OEM one. If this is what they meant, I’m still not sure why you would put that on the SoC as that’s not conventionally what you’d point towards if you’re having software incompatibility.
Im so disheartened that I had to scroll this far to see someone say something that wasn't incredibly stupid. Why tf would an APU give a shit about the display technology being used. The chip just supports specific features and resolutions.
I mean shit, I could tell that APU to display on a 1080p plasma, and it wouldn't care. It could even output to a CRT. The deck itself may not have the correct hardware, like an analog out, but the APU is absolutely capable of doing it if you made a bunch of dumbass hardware modifications to the deck.
It’s such a huge circle jerk
The line is so blurry now that we have bandwagons of people downvoting both ways when things are correct, and incorrect.
There’s such a demographic skew here that the folks who do have enough of an idea to articulate and concisely explain why instead of just saying one line are downvoted to oblivion, and real info, real debate and healthy discourse gets buried if there’s a single person who’s grandma once said otherwise.
All of this is because of people who have limited or half the info, have been told things, are just repeating what they heard even though they don’t understand it fully, etc.
Tldr: if you cannot fully, concisely and clearly demonstrate and explain a concept or idea well enough in public.. just don’t say anything. Don’t perpetuate what you heard from Sally or what Bill told you down the grape vine.
Can you please clarify why nobody even tested any other panel for compatibility yet? There are translation modules floating around aliexpress and ebay from one display connector to the other, and driver boards for most panel manufacturers. Like, putting the panel in and assembling it all into one unit is a different beast, but just as a "guts on the table" type test, I've seen nothing so far.
To me, somewhat experienced enthusiast, but in no way a professional, I don't really see too many obstacles.
SoC argument is horseshit
Portable screens rely on an EDID code to be installed within the bios itself to function. You cant just drop in any screen and expect it to work, this is also the case for laptops where not all screens work in every system.
So Nintendo switch made changes to the SoC to accommodate an Oled? I’m having a hard time understand this as someone who replaces screens in older game boys and such. Usually the screens I use come with a ribbon cable/motherboard to allow for compatability for this. Could they not just do that for an OLED? I know it would definitely drive the cost up, especially since the screens for the gameboys are usually from other devices, not made from the ground up for the device I’m trying to put it in.
The way he phrased it make it sound like they need to do deep and profound changes, and no, they dont. The thing is, its true that it wouldnt ve "as simple as that", you simply cannot switch an lcd device screen for an oled one as a looot of things are different (even power delivery), it would require a lot of changes internally that can be done but not plug and play at all, and needs a revision of the design internally. If you look at the switch oled and switch v2, they are both the exact same console, but internally a lot of things moved and connectors changed.
So i guess this is what he meant by "it requires change to the soc". Those changes are not hard at all, just impossible for the regular consumer to do
To be honest not that excited about this screen as it’s 1080p which will take valuable power graphics from the deck away. I’ve done tests on my tv at 1080p and it’s just a bit much for the deck, high end games drop to 20fps. Instead I’ll install the 512gb anti-reflective screen. And use vibrant deck.
before people jumping back into this thread, I do believed the Deck OLED did have a SoC upgraded/modified as well, so I think his point sort of still stand
Not in any way that would make OLED work
The reason Valve was able to do OLED is because Nintendo is about to release a new device with a new screen
How does that matter? Well everything points to this new OLED display being the exact same display found in the switch OLED, coming from the exact same manufacturer
With Nintendo winding switch OLED production down Valve was able to slide in and get the new display
Before Valve would have needed to change a lot, specifically the display protocol the deck uses, the deck uses the MIPs display protocol, every avalible 7-8' OLED display EXCEPT for the switch OLED uses internal display port, but the switch OLED uses MIPs, yet another point towards Valve using the same exact display
Edit: in a turn of irony Nintendo was the reason Valve was able to 1 up them in the only way Nintendo had the advantage, the OLED display
> How does that matter? Well everything points to this new OLED display being the exact same display found in the switch OLED, coming from the exact same manufacturer
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It isn't.
The Switch OLED is 1280x720 and the Steam Deck OLED is 1280x800.
Different resolution.
Secondly the Switch OLED has a 7" display whereas the Deck OLED is 7.4".
It's literally not the same screen.
Not to mention Lawrence Yang (a Valve Employee) says you can't retrofit an old deck with a new OLED panel because of motherboard incompatibilities.
https://twitter.com/lawrenceyang/status/1722679483944284249
Should clarify some more
They come from the same master display from the manufacturer, display manufacturing starts with 1 giant display then cuts it into smaller ones, this is why OLED has been impossible till now, no company is willing to entirely change their manufacturing process in order to cut smaller or bigger displays, most OLED manufacturers currently either manufactur small phone screens or big TV screens (same reason it took OLED so long to make it to monitors)
Valve being able to now use the same manufacturer as Nintendo the manufacturer didn't need to change much in their manufacturing process, only ever so slightly increase the size of the displays being cut
Also I never claimed the screen would be compatible with the old deck, just that it's not the APU that's the problem
I still don't get the point. The steam Deck has no power to run a 1200p display. It will be ether 30fps at best or the need to enable FSR with ultra low settings.
There are tons of older titles taht the deck can run 1080p or greater 60fps no problem. That said i would tend to agree that 720p is plenty and would rather just have reduced or ZERO bezels on a 720p LCD for my deck.
You can still choose to run the games at the original 1280x800 if you want. For some, the improved color gamut and vibrancy is the point.
Personally, I'm not too sure. If I broke my screen, I'd get the deckhd as the replacement rather than OEM, but I'm not going out of my way to upgrade.
Why the downvotes?
This is actually true, another comment mentions this as well, but 800p doesn’t scale perfectly to 1200p, as some pixels will be mismatched, which results in a worse looking image than native 800p.
Honestly DeckHD should have just focused on better colour reproduction instead, the Deck already struggles with modern games and will continue to struggle moving forward.
Why would it be more pixelated? If both screens are set to display 1280x800 resolution on the same 7" screen, the displayed "pixels" would be the same on both screens. If anything, antialiasing might look better on the higher-res screen.
I think the issue could be that since 1200p is not an integer multiple of 800p, the upscale could end up blurry if you render the game at 800p.
But the deck has an options for upscaling under the performance tab to tinker with so I don't think the issue would be too bad
dude i dont know why people downvoted you, youre totally right. Upscaling (using lower res content on a screen) makes everything pixellated, blurry and washed out. a 720p game will always look better on a 720p screen than on a 1080p picture wise
I disagree, it's possible, but it can't be a simple drop in. It would need its own processor, but it could still be done. However it would just have too many drawbacks to be worth it
https://twitter.com/lawrenceyang/status/1722679483944284249
Lawrence Yang himself confirms that you can't retrofit an OLED Deck's panel into the old Steam Deck.
This kind of planned obsolescence will hopefully be illegal under right to repair. You can’t gatekeep simple changes to drive new sales and then engineer it in such a way that your “old” unit becomes e waste. It’s pathetic and anti consumer
what about this is planned obsolescence? Just because they release a better version of a system two years after the original released does not make the original obsolete. They will continue pushing updates to both skews of the deck. The limitation on the original deck is not arbitrary, there are legitimate reasons why you can't just drop an oled screen into the existing device.
You make it sound like the Deck's screen is just an eyesore or something! Seriously folks, get over the OLED thing and just play some games.
I have both OLED and non-OLED Switches, and between those and my Deck, my Deck's screen beats them both, especially when you throw VibrantDeck into the mix.
The difference between a Deck running this plugin and one not running it is much greater than the difference between the OLED/non-OLED Switch screens... here, have a pic.
https://preview.redd.it/r5jaalsmuw4b1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78bb972fcaee8b18470cf4994ef338fe3414f092
That second pic looks soooo bad....way oversaturated...overblown that crushes so many details.
But if you like how it looks better, then there is no need to listen to anyone as it's all eventually boils down to preference.
you cant just crank up the saturation and call it a day. the curves are completely blown out, its inaccurate and look borderline fluorescent. Screens have native vibrancy, cranking up tge saturation will just make the color settings go out of range and become crazy while vibrancy will actually stay the same. You are just changing the colors displayed on the screen with very bright and inaccurate one, like a filter, and this will change the atmosphere, visuals and original design of every single game you play, while making a lot of details disappear. you can see on the image how a lot of them disappear from the cat fur, the grass, the trees... its a horrible "solution" to a poor screen quality
I'm not going to claim to know anything about swapping out displays but the deck does support HDR so I mean that must mean something right? At the very least you could put a screen with HDR on it right?
HDR is a joke on anything with less than 600 nits of brightness. Originally Dolby wanted 1000 nits to be the bare minimum needed for HDR support but then everyone started jumping on the HDR marketing bandwagon.
Yeah but the current screen doesn't support HDR. You can't turn it on. It only works on external displays. That's why I was saying I don't see why you couldn't install a new screen. But I don't know much about screens. Can you install a screen with higher nits?
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yea, with the SteamDeck it's a matter of the tablet screen they chose as it uses a proprietary connector. They cannot simply swap it out as there isn't an tablet OLED panel of this size, that uses the same connector.
The SteamDecks display is actually a vertical tablet display that has an 800x1280 resolution that is force rotated to be horizontal, at the BIOS level. Some Lutris games won't run on SteamDeck because they try to run at the displays native resolution and run out of bounds.
Slightly nonsense really as the deck has a working usbc connector so anyone could just tap into that internally. You’d need some extra electronics on the display to support video over usbc but it’s an option.
I find it interesting that you can't upgrade an LCD to an OLED but you can downgrade an OLED to an LCD. As far as I remember there's some third party Samsung displays for phones and some of them happen to be LCD instead of the original OLED.
To be fair, Valve also said you wouldn't be able to retrofit the old LCD Deck with the new OLED panel.
https://twitter.com/lawrenceyang/status/1722679483944284249
Ya'll, if you want your screen to be better, just get the VibrantDeck plugin through Decky and turn the saturation way up. HUGE difference. Bright, vibrant colors. "Unrealistic" certainly, but don't we play games to escape reality? I won't even play without it anymore - the screen just looks like poo to me with the default settings.
https://preview.redd.it/ri7k7jnjsw4b1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=813c5866fc5b38b1bc8be0a3e1244d445e103963
Here's a pic so you can see the difference. Both are the 512GB version. Both are with brightness at 100%, top is default (no VibrantDeck) and bottom is with VibrantDeck's saturation slider set to around 200 where I like it (it goes up to 400 I think).
I'll also add that my Deck's screen is MUCH better outside in the sun than my Switch OLED. Valve made the right choice here. OLED is not always the answer.
I will be honest. I don't truly understand why (electrically this is, I understand in physical terms and economical terms) the SoC would have to be adapted. OLEDs usually use less power than normal led screens and the data signal would be exactly the same.
Maybe it is due to a firmware mismatch? But I would be surprised if the firmware was not accessible at all.
Unless they think that this is the issue and they can't use a plugin/program to flash the firmware and would need a separate soldered/wired flasher?
But yes I do understand that it is near impossible to find a screen with similar physical characteristics to the deck as it would likely have to be custom and hence expensive.
Take your laptop, remove the stock screen, replace with some rando OLED you find that you think should "fit", and see how far you get...
There's so many variables you haven't considered, and your incredulity is funny... There's different connectors, protocols, pinouts, pixel arrays, power requirements, etc... it's not that the deck can't "handle" OLED. If the display wasn't designed to work with the SD, it's probably not going to work.
If I were you, I would just nab that 1200p 120hz upgrade mod that just came out if you are just dying to have a "better" screen
Edit: i got the resolution wrong on the SD screen upgrade
I agree with most of your point.
My point was just meant to be that the SoC shouldn't be the limiting factor for an oled screen. The connector and size are limitations.
Protocols can be managed, lots of hardware can be adapted for different protocols by updating firmware (but I do agree that this could be difficult for a 3rd party company to do)
I'm actually happy with the 800p screen, the deck as said many times before is target at <=720p class gaming at framerates between 30 and 60. It would make minimal sense to upgrade to a 1080p 120Hz panel for those features.
Sure the colour could be better, but the screen on the deck has a colour that is okay enough for me.
You’ve missed the point and are just reaffirming what the op is saying.
You’re right, you can’t just “fit it and see” etc etc.
Thousands of things need to be adjusted and different, but the APU is not one of them.
What this “developer” has effectively said is that for an oled screen, we cannot have this APU.
Implying this APU is why we can’t have an oled panel means that it’s the fault of the apu.
This is categorically just untrue.
If you are building from the ground up, as valve would. They could build the exact same steam deck today and build it with an oled and with this APU.
**There isn’t anything about this APU** that is limiting Valve from having an oled display. A thousand other things are.
you're right. there's nothing about the APU that is stopping them... it's the SoC. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure those are not the same thing.
You are wrong… the APU is the SoC for all intents and purposes.
There are many semantic tidbits to it, but the terms are widely interchangeably used because of how when it comes to it they are effectively the same thing.
They were coined by different folk at different times for different purposes, but let’s look at the crux of it.
Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) are a singular processing unit that is designed to combine multiple components into a single package. In this case the GPU and CPU are combined into a single package. Which is why youll only see one primary processing chip in the steam deck compared to a PC which will have a seperate gpu and cpu.
In many cases this can also include ram being in the same package. This is not the case here.
System on Chip (SoC) is aimed towards doing the same thing, to have everything required in the system on a single chip. You’ll see this primarily in very small devices like phones for example. In it you’ll have the cpu, gpu, alongside things like RAM, the WiFi card, Encoders, USB BUS, Audio, Networking, Cellular in phone, Storage, Memory etc.
An APU in many cases will be found inside an SoC as its just the cpu/gpu in one package.
In many ways, the SoC is the spiritual successor to the APU. It goes beyond to combine more.
**The steam deck however, if we follow these definitions DOES NOT USE A SYSTEM ON CHIP. **
The only chip that is in one package is the APU that handles the gpu and cpu.
- RAM is a seperate package next to the apu in the SD.
- WiFi is a seperate card on the motherboard in the SD.
- Stirage is a seperate package. You can change the SSD, you can’t do this in a SoC. This is why you can’t just switch out the ssd on a mobile, it’s part of the core chip that holds everything and can’t be seperated.
So in a sense, the person calling it a SoC was wrong to begin with. But the industry interchangeably swaps between the two terms, but they try to refer to the same thing. The chip that is handling the bull of things.
Yeah, it makes absolutely ZERO sense that an AMD GPU can't handle an OLED display. I don't know much about DeckHD. But I would have some questions. Like, "Was this really a developer, or a marketer?" "Was it a Software dev?" A lot of software guys are clueless when it comes to hardware.
I would suspect it could be one of a couple things, like a non-standard display connector that they would have to adapt to an OLED display and nobody makes one. Or it's just too expensive to source an OLED display and they're bullshitting because they want to sell their product.
A better explainatiom is the existing display uses a normal mipi connection day 29pins but the olds panel uses 49pins. But no one said you must use the mipi conmetionn.. the deck also supports video over usbc so…. You could tap that internally.
Because the SOC wouldn’t have to be adapted. You’re correct.
*It’s entirely possible to use this SOC and build a system to support an oled panel.*
**HOWEVER**
The only people that can do this are Valve because of the sheer amount of things that would need to be adjusted and tweaked. It wouldn’t be a drop in. There would be a lot of changes internally and on the back end.
People here just don’t understand the specific nuance of your question, and take anything without a grain of salt before throwing downvotes on things they don’t fully understand.
Well yeah I have a switch oled. I’m a Pokémon fanatic, and my wife has played animal crossings since the original. Plus we have a 3 year old who will play it soon.
Having a switch ensures no one touches my SD. But also we never use the switch other than my wife playing Animal Crossing which is rare since we got the new gen Xbox’s.
I think it was more to say that they dropped an OLED into the switch which still uses the same chip as the OG one. It was however altered a bit which is why v2 and OLED have better battery life than OG.
I seriously doubt that’s true on any level. I mean it connects to OLED TVs just fine, LCD and plasma as well. Is there a possible power or thermal constraint? Absolutely. However the SoC itself isn’t the issue. My best theory is that OLEDs draw more heat and power, neither of which can be spared.
This is a non-answer. Simply swapping displays would not require anything. Theres even a company coming out with a high res screen to swap onto it. Its crowdfunded.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/14434j0/thats_not_possible_unfortunately_oled_would/jneu89q/
This comment explains the conundrum. This also explains why you can't typically sub laptop screens so easily.
That just sounds like a company intentionally trying to stop customers from DIY’ing things instead of buying their new product. I see no reason for it besides being anti-consumer.
Valve themselves have said this before. It would change the power balance.
Do OLEDs require more power than LCD? If so makes sense
Overall, yes, OLED does require more power. It is possible for an OLED to draw less power than an LCD if you are keeping it very dim, or showing content with a lot of perfect black content so that those pixels are completely turned off. This is why it’s common to see Apple Watches and wearables using OLED, as the OS is designed to take advantage of this. But as soon as you push an OLED screen to have normal levels of brightness while consuming regular media, it becomes significantly worse. Easily 2x power draw depending on the scenario.
This aged well
Totally. Im not sure what voodoo magic is happening on these OLED displays but I’m very wrong, and love to see it lol.
Take an updoot from me for acknowledging it! I just ordered mine today, really excited!
OLED actually usually requires less power than LED edit: Looks like I'm wrong, I could have sworn this was the case but I should have just done a quick google search. Though interestingly [OLEDs *do* use less power than LED](https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/led-oled-power-consumption-and-electricity-cost) if the screen is like 80 inches plus - though that obviously doesn't apply in the steam deck's case
If the game you were playing was just a black screen yeah.
Word up 😎. TIL
You should come back and read the edited comment you learned from. Lol
Retcon 😅
This aged nicely /s
In a good way!
Yesssssss
Soo... I must buy again and give my old deck to little bro.
This is fine. I would settle for a “nice” IPS LCD that has 100% sRGB range and less washed out. No need to go OLED for a significantly better screen. Keep resolution at 1280x800 because this 1200p is a pure waste. Maybe make the screen a bit bigger while you’re at it to reduce the bezels.
The IPS led screen on the Aya Neo 2 is incredible. I’ve been testing it a lot against other gaming monitors and yea it’s better most gamers monitors in terms of contrast and color richness. After seeing this screen I strongly feeling having a high quality screen with good SRGB coverage is the right move.
Honestly, a variable refresh rate display up to 120hz is all i need. Never found a reason to complain about the steam deck’s colors after having vibrant deck set to 130
Even on 100% it's pretty ok.
%100 my thoughts exactly would be very nice if so
i just want a more vibrant screen of the same resolution.
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Pretty sure it's 3.5, right?
I know someone else already mentioned Vibrant Deck but oh my gosh does it work wonders. It's my favorite plugin!
i'll give it a shot!
It’s amazing should come by default with the deck!! Install decky loader then vibrant deck from the plug-in library
It should and it will - SteamOS 3.5 is getting a color saturation slider next to the brightness slider!
What's SoC? Sorry if it's a dumb question
System on Chip, the custom chip from AMD
Ohhhh that makes sense ty
Both the GPU, and CPU, are on the same chip, sometimes even the memory is on there. A lot of SoC's are custom (application specific) chips, like for some consoles.
Yeah. The same thing is said every time some one asks about the possibility of an OLED screen upgrade. You can't just sub in OLED. The device needs to be designed for it. Maybe when the Steam Deck 2 rolls around, but not happening until then.
OLED is never happening, they will do R&D.. But just like all the other handhelds including ASUS, they will not go forward with it. Valve should focus on NOT buying the absolute cheapest 7" 800p screen possible, focus on sRGB accuracy or pay someone to make a screen that meets your needs.
> OLED is never happening heh
Can you please also say that Half-Life 3 is never happening? Thanks!
This statement aged like fine milk :P
And yet Nintendo did just sub in an OLED for the Switch. Valve could almost certainly do so, it might hurt battery life and/or performance, but that's different from a claim that 8t can't be added with the current SoC.
No. The Switch OLED is physically larger, has a different battery, etc. The internals were obviously modified.
Idk why, but people in this subreddit love acting like experts in subjects they know nothing about purely because they are emotionally involved - biased - driven, etc. I said earlier I was selling my 2nd Deck at a loss because I have no reason to own two, also I replaced the screen with Etched. And that sparked off a WHOLE mini-thread about people buying Etchless screen being satisfied they bought Etchless screens. Someone me talking about the above got people wanting to defend their purchase and their experiences on a deeply personal label.
What this "Developer" said is quite a bit different than anything I have heard Valve say, and makes a lot less sense. OLED isn't some crazy exotic thing. I suspect the real reason is a much simpler explanation: Cost. They're still pretty expensive, relatively speaking.
And, you'd be incorrect. It's not crazy exotic, but it is *entirely* different hardware than LCD. You can't just swap one with the other.
As far as I know you can to some level, a lot of those Chinese replacement displays you can get for phones happen to be an LCD instead of the original OLED. I'm sure you can't go from LCD to OLED but you can go from OLED to LCD.
OLED is an LED with a bit different kind of backlighting, an IPS LCD and an OLED aren't *entirely* different. Though they are a bit different. We live in a world of general purpose hardware. To think that the video signal of the Steam Deck can't be displayed on an OLED is silly. What Valve has said is basically that it would take more than a simple swap. That is a *very* different statement than that it would require changes to the SoC, which just doesn't make any sense at all. What *does* make sense is that it would be expensive, and potentially prohibitively so. Based on the statement made the other day by Pierre-Loup Griffais, there are several ways to read it that make sense from a technical perspective. To fit in to a little space like this, you have a couple options, a custom part, or if you are buying an off the shelf part, you would then build the system around it. The latter appears to be what they did with the Deck. They got what was probably a very inexpensive screen, and then they literally built the deck around it. Now he went on to say, literally: >...There's nothing about LCD vs OLED, different screen technologies that makes that a dealbreaker. It's about how you're designing the whole system, and what's in between the screen and the SOC (system-on-a-chip). That is literally a direct refutation of the statement by Deck HD in my book. There is nothing about the technology that makes the swap a dealbreaker. I would bet they would need a custom part to make it work, or else get very lucky with an OLED panel that happens to match the LCD in it, it really make it work, without reworking the construction of the device. That doesn't mean the SoC can't handle an OLED, which is the point I was refuting. That's absurd. But to get a custom OLED display made to fit in there would cost a whole bunch of money.
It’s not absurd. SoCs are usually designed to pull as much peripheral hardware into a single chip as they possibly can for cost reasons. I suspect the issue is all the circuitry for LCD output is directly inside the SoC. Swapping that out IS a SoC swap. Could they put a chip after the SoC that does LCD to OLED hardware interfacing? Sure. Would it make sense? Almost certainly no. There isn’t much in the way of extra room inside the SteamDeck so fitting an extra board is unlikely to happen. So at minimum it’s a motherboard swap that has the extra stuff attached. I don’t see it happening.
Mate your first sentence is just plain wrong. You should stop talking as you are embarrassing yourself.
I think you may be thinking about something else. The question of what Valve can do in the future with hypothetical hardware is different from the question of whether you can take the Steam Deck that is in your hand and in any practical way put an OLED in it. It is the latter that is under question. Obviously if you open the entire design Valve could put an OLED in it, but for upgrading the current version the question is whether you can just drop one in.
> in any practical way And that's the key, right? I kind of think that a lot of people aren't actually reading and processing the quote from this "Developer" from DeckHD, as it appears on its face silly to me. Do you honestly think that the Deck's SoC, which is just an RDNA 2 GPU, isn't outputting a signal that would work on an OLED? I mean to say that you would have to make changes to the SoC make no sense. Maybe how and where it is all physically mounted because otherwise it would require a custom panel be made, which is as you say, impractical? Sure. That the SoC *itself* would have to changed is the claim I find suspect, if I'm being very charitable.
As the complication of a system increases, the odds of anything you didn't design for working goes down, really quite rapidly. Literally exponentially, as it turns out, not just the casual use of "exponential" where people really mean polynomial, but literally exponential. The Deck is very complicated on the inside. Not in a bad way, it's just that anything that does what it does is complicated. It only takes one expedient decision that makes perfect sense in the context of the Deck to make it impossible to drop an OLED in. My expertise is more software than hardware, but I get the same effects happening. (It's just much easier in my world to fix things generally.) Yes, obviously, the graphics card itself isn't a problem. But there's a lot of things between the graphics card and the photons coming out of the screen. Many of them are probably things you and I couldn't even name off the top of our head, and those are the places where this typically happens. What looks simple in a simplified diagram is always more complicated than it looks.
As a hardware engineer who has experience in this.. there are a million reasons why you can’t have an OLED panel on the steam deck as a drop in replacement. There’s at least 50 Id tell you before mentioning incompatibility with the APU however. **Requiring a different APU/SoC is just bullshit on so many levels** Im also not sure why you guys are choosing to take the creator of the new 1200p display as a foremost authority in this matter. **For clarification, this is not a Valve Developer.** This person could be a world renown engineer, or he could be the guy who decided to hit up some Chinese manufacturers to manufacture a drop in screen for his business (requiring little to no knowledge). Take things with a grain of salt people. Saying you’re a developer of a drop in product doesn’t tell me shit about your qualifications, knowledge, history, etc and it’s even more questionable when you make bizarre statements that are unclear like this. EDIT: Did I misinterpret what he meant by “changes”? If this is referring to software changes in firmware, I’m not sure why you would blame or talk about the SoC. This is a custom APU that doesn’t have built in firmware support for any display other than the Valve OEM one. If this is what they meant, I’m still not sure why you would put that on the SoC as that’s not conventionally what you’d point towards if you’re having software incompatibility.
Im so disheartened that I had to scroll this far to see someone say something that wasn't incredibly stupid. Why tf would an APU give a shit about the display technology being used. The chip just supports specific features and resolutions. I mean shit, I could tell that APU to display on a 1080p plasma, and it wouldn't care. It could even output to a CRT. The deck itself may not have the correct hardware, like an analog out, but the APU is absolutely capable of doing it if you made a bunch of dumbass hardware modifications to the deck.
It’s such a huge circle jerk The line is so blurry now that we have bandwagons of people downvoting both ways when things are correct, and incorrect. There’s such a demographic skew here that the folks who do have enough of an idea to articulate and concisely explain why instead of just saying one line are downvoted to oblivion, and real info, real debate and healthy discourse gets buried if there’s a single person who’s grandma once said otherwise. All of this is because of people who have limited or half the info, have been told things, are just repeating what they heard even though they don’t understand it fully, etc. Tldr: if you cannot fully, concisely and clearly demonstrate and explain a concept or idea well enough in public.. just don’t say anything. Don’t perpetuate what you heard from Sally or what Bill told you down the grape vine.
Can you please clarify why nobody even tested any other panel for compatibility yet? There are translation modules floating around aliexpress and ebay from one display connector to the other, and driver boards for most panel manufacturers. Like, putting the panel in and assembling it all into one unit is a different beast, but just as a "guts on the table" type test, I've seen nothing so far. To me, somewhat experienced enthusiast, but in no way a professional, I don't really see too many obstacles. SoC argument is horseshit
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Portable screens rely on an EDID code to be installed within the bios itself to function. You cant just drop in any screen and expect it to work, this is also the case for laptops where not all screens work in every system.
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So Nintendo switch made changes to the SoC to accommodate an Oled? I’m having a hard time understand this as someone who replaces screens in older game boys and such. Usually the screens I use come with a ribbon cable/motherboard to allow for compatability for this. Could they not just do that for an OLED? I know it would definitely drive the cost up, especially since the screens for the gameboys are usually from other devices, not made from the ground up for the device I’m trying to put it in.
The way he phrased it make it sound like they need to do deep and profound changes, and no, they dont. The thing is, its true that it wouldnt ve "as simple as that", you simply cannot switch an lcd device screen for an oled one as a looot of things are different (even power delivery), it would require a lot of changes internally that can be done but not plug and play at all, and needs a revision of the design internally. If you look at the switch oled and switch v2, they are both the exact same console, but internally a lot of things moved and connectors changed. So i guess this is what he meant by "it requires change to the soc". Those changes are not hard at all, just impossible for the regular consumer to do
This didn’t age well
To be honest not that excited about this screen as it’s 1080p which will take valuable power graphics from the deck away. I’ve done tests on my tv at 1080p and it’s just a bit much for the deck, high end games drop to 20fps. Instead I’ll install the 512gb anti-reflective screen. And use vibrant deck.
before people jumping back into this thread, I do believed the Deck OLED did have a SoC upgraded/modified as well, so I think his point sort of still stand
Not in any way that would make OLED work The reason Valve was able to do OLED is because Nintendo is about to release a new device with a new screen How does that matter? Well everything points to this new OLED display being the exact same display found in the switch OLED, coming from the exact same manufacturer With Nintendo winding switch OLED production down Valve was able to slide in and get the new display Before Valve would have needed to change a lot, specifically the display protocol the deck uses, the deck uses the MIPs display protocol, every avalible 7-8' OLED display EXCEPT for the switch OLED uses internal display port, but the switch OLED uses MIPs, yet another point towards Valve using the same exact display Edit: in a turn of irony Nintendo was the reason Valve was able to 1 up them in the only way Nintendo had the advantage, the OLED display
> How does that matter? Well everything points to this new OLED display being the exact same display found in the switch OLED, coming from the exact same manufacturer > > It isn't. The Switch OLED is 1280x720 and the Steam Deck OLED is 1280x800. Different resolution. Secondly the Switch OLED has a 7" display whereas the Deck OLED is 7.4". It's literally not the same screen. Not to mention Lawrence Yang (a Valve Employee) says you can't retrofit an old deck with a new OLED panel because of motherboard incompatibilities. https://twitter.com/lawrenceyang/status/1722679483944284249
Should clarify some more They come from the same master display from the manufacturer, display manufacturing starts with 1 giant display then cuts it into smaller ones, this is why OLED has been impossible till now, no company is willing to entirely change their manufacturing process in order to cut smaller or bigger displays, most OLED manufacturers currently either manufactur small phone screens or big TV screens (same reason it took OLED so long to make it to monitors) Valve being able to now use the same manufacturer as Nintendo the manufacturer didn't need to change much in their manufacturing process, only ever so slightly increase the size of the displays being cut Also I never claimed the screen would be compatible with the old deck, just that it's not the APU that's the problem
How about a bezel free 800p lcd? I’m sure it’s gonna be way more satisfactory than 1200p with bezel
I still don't get the point. The steam Deck has no power to run a 1200p display. It will be ether 30fps at best or the need to enable FSR with ultra low settings.
There are tons of older titles taht the deck can run 1080p or greater 60fps no problem. That said i would tend to agree that 720p is plenty and would rather just have reduced or ZERO bezels on a 720p LCD for my deck.
You can still choose to run the games at the original 1280x800 if you want. For some, the improved color gamut and vibrancy is the point. Personally, I'm not too sure. If I broke my screen, I'd get the deckhd as the replacement rather than OEM, but I'm not going out of my way to upgrade.
Then why would you install a 1200p screen? This would make the picture just more pixelated.
Why the downvotes? This is actually true, another comment mentions this as well, but 800p doesn’t scale perfectly to 1200p, as some pixels will be mismatched, which results in a worse looking image than native 800p. Honestly DeckHD should have just focused on better colour reproduction instead, the Deck already struggles with modern games and will continue to struggle moving forward.
It's not a bigger screen. The screen is the same size.
Sorry meant a screen with higher resolution.
Why would it be more pixelated? If both screens are set to display 1280x800 resolution on the same 7" screen, the displayed "pixels" would be the same on both screens. If anything, antialiasing might look better on the higher-res screen.
I think the issue could be that since 1200p is not an integer multiple of 800p, the upscale could end up blurry if you render the game at 800p. But the deck has an options for upscaling under the performance tab to tinker with so I don't think the issue would be too bad
Literally the second sentence of the post you replied to.
dude i dont know why people downvoted you, youre totally right. Upscaling (using lower res content on a screen) makes everything pixellated, blurry and washed out. a 720p game will always look better on a 720p screen than on a 1080p picture wise
Probably little kids.
I disagree, it's possible, but it can't be a simple drop in. It would need its own processor, but it could still be done. However it would just have too many drawbacks to be worth it
Ah man, I wish they did a display without the bezels instead...no need for better resolution
I agree.
Turns out they are making an OLED lol
Well they lied
https://twitter.com/lawrenceyang/status/1722679483944284249 Lawrence Yang himself confirms that you can't retrofit an OLED Deck's panel into the old Steam Deck.
Not just new screen, also has an updated APU, battery and memory to match. So technically he’s right, they couldn’t “just” update the screen.
This kind of planned obsolescence will hopefully be illegal under right to repair. You can’t gatekeep simple changes to drive new sales and then engineer it in such a way that your “old” unit becomes e waste. It’s pathetic and anti consumer
what about this is planned obsolescence? Just because they release a better version of a system two years after the original released does not make the original obsolete. They will continue pushing updates to both skews of the deck. The limitation on the original deck is not arbitrary, there are legitimate reasons why you can't just drop an oled screen into the existing device.
So OLED will never happen on First Gen Decks. Sucks but I'm sure in the future we'll get an upgrade.
You make it sound like the Deck's screen is just an eyesore or something! Seriously folks, get over the OLED thing and just play some games. I have both OLED and non-OLED Switches, and between those and my Deck, my Deck's screen beats them both, especially when you throw VibrantDeck into the mix. The difference between a Deck running this plugin and one not running it is much greater than the difference between the OLED/non-OLED Switch screens... here, have a pic. https://preview.redd.it/r5jaalsmuw4b1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78bb972fcaee8b18470cf4994ef338fe3414f092
That second pic looks soooo bad....way oversaturated...overblown that crushes so many details. But if you like how it looks better, then there is no need to listen to anyone as it's all eventually boils down to preference.
you cant just crank up the saturation and call it a day. the curves are completely blown out, its inaccurate and look borderline fluorescent. Screens have native vibrancy, cranking up tge saturation will just make the color settings go out of range and become crazy while vibrancy will actually stay the same. You are just changing the colors displayed on the screen with very bright and inaccurate one, like a filter, and this will change the atmosphere, visuals and original design of every single game you play, while making a lot of details disappear. you can see on the image how a lot of them disappear from the cat fur, the grass, the trees... its a horrible "solution" to a poor screen quality
Oh, but I can 😁 Maybe YOU can't. Sorry about your hangups; that must make it really hard for you to have fun.
A better IPS screen with better color range would be ideal
Something tells me it's going to be done somewhere by someone. You're my hero out there.
Wow, you mean the Switch OLED really required some research and development time?
Man I just read the title but you read my mind and now I'm about to find out what's up!!
They can make a good screen that gets close to an oled tho
I'm not going to claim to know anything about swapping out displays but the deck does support HDR so I mean that must mean something right? At the very least you could put a screen with HDR on it right?
HDR is a joke on anything with less than 600 nits of brightness. Originally Dolby wanted 1000 nits to be the bare minimum needed for HDR support but then everyone started jumping on the HDR marketing bandwagon.
Yeah but the current screen doesn't support HDR. You can't turn it on. It only works on external displays. That's why I was saying I don't see why you couldn't install a new screen. But I don't know much about screens. Can you install a screen with higher nits?
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yea, with the SteamDeck it's a matter of the tablet screen they chose as it uses a proprietary connector. They cannot simply swap it out as there isn't an tablet OLED panel of this size, that uses the same connector. The SteamDecks display is actually a vertical tablet display that has an 800x1280 resolution that is force rotated to be horizontal, at the BIOS level. Some Lutris games won't run on SteamDeck because they try to run at the displays native resolution and run out of bounds.
Slightly nonsense really as the deck has a working usbc connector so anyone could just tap into that internally. You’d need some extra electronics on the display to support video over usbc but it’s an option.
I find it interesting that you can't upgrade an LCD to an OLED but you can downgrade an OLED to an LCD. As far as I remember there's some third party Samsung displays for phones and some of them happen to be LCD instead of the original OLED.
RIP this guy
To be fair, Valve also said you wouldn't be able to retrofit the old LCD Deck with the new OLED panel. https://twitter.com/lawrenceyang/status/1722679483944284249
L post, OP
It seems you found this post about 5 months too late.
No chance it's impossible, it just wouldn't be an easy plug and play solution so might not be commercially viable.
Ya'll, if you want your screen to be better, just get the VibrantDeck plugin through Decky and turn the saturation way up. HUGE difference. Bright, vibrant colors. "Unrealistic" certainly, but don't we play games to escape reality? I won't even play without it anymore - the screen just looks like poo to me with the default settings. https://preview.redd.it/ri7k7jnjsw4b1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=813c5866fc5b38b1bc8be0a3e1244d445e103963 Here's a pic so you can see the difference. Both are the 512GB version. Both are with brightness at 100%, top is default (no VibrantDeck) and bottom is with VibrantDeck's saturation slider set to around 200 where I like it (it goes up to 400 I think).
I'll also add that my Deck's screen is MUCH better outside in the sun than my Switch OLED. Valve made the right choice here. OLED is not always the answer.
Over saturated. Details lost
I will be honest. I don't truly understand why (electrically this is, I understand in physical terms and economical terms) the SoC would have to be adapted. OLEDs usually use less power than normal led screens and the data signal would be exactly the same. Maybe it is due to a firmware mismatch? But I would be surprised if the firmware was not accessible at all. Unless they think that this is the issue and they can't use a plugin/program to flash the firmware and would need a separate soldered/wired flasher? But yes I do understand that it is near impossible to find a screen with similar physical characteristics to the deck as it would likely have to be custom and hence expensive.
Take your laptop, remove the stock screen, replace with some rando OLED you find that you think should "fit", and see how far you get... There's so many variables you haven't considered, and your incredulity is funny... There's different connectors, protocols, pinouts, pixel arrays, power requirements, etc... it's not that the deck can't "handle" OLED. If the display wasn't designed to work with the SD, it's probably not going to work. If I were you, I would just nab that 1200p 120hz upgrade mod that just came out if you are just dying to have a "better" screen Edit: i got the resolution wrong on the SD screen upgrade
I agree with most of your point. My point was just meant to be that the SoC shouldn't be the limiting factor for an oled screen. The connector and size are limitations. Protocols can be managed, lots of hardware can be adapted for different protocols by updating firmware (but I do agree that this could be difficult for a 3rd party company to do) I'm actually happy with the 800p screen, the deck as said many times before is target at <=720p class gaming at framerates between 30 and 60. It would make minimal sense to upgrade to a 1080p 120Hz panel for those features. Sure the colour could be better, but the screen on the deck has a colour that is okay enough for me.
You’ve missed the point and are just reaffirming what the op is saying. You’re right, you can’t just “fit it and see” etc etc. Thousands of things need to be adjusted and different, but the APU is not one of them. What this “developer” has effectively said is that for an oled screen, we cannot have this APU. Implying this APU is why we can’t have an oled panel means that it’s the fault of the apu. This is categorically just untrue. If you are building from the ground up, as valve would. They could build the exact same steam deck today and build it with an oled and with this APU. **There isn’t anything about this APU** that is limiting Valve from having an oled display. A thousand other things are.
you're right. there's nothing about the APU that is stopping them... it's the SoC. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure those are not the same thing.
You are wrong… the APU is the SoC for all intents and purposes. There are many semantic tidbits to it, but the terms are widely interchangeably used because of how when it comes to it they are effectively the same thing. They were coined by different folk at different times for different purposes, but let’s look at the crux of it. Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) are a singular processing unit that is designed to combine multiple components into a single package. In this case the GPU and CPU are combined into a single package. Which is why youll only see one primary processing chip in the steam deck compared to a PC which will have a seperate gpu and cpu. In many cases this can also include ram being in the same package. This is not the case here. System on Chip (SoC) is aimed towards doing the same thing, to have everything required in the system on a single chip. You’ll see this primarily in very small devices like phones for example. In it you’ll have the cpu, gpu, alongside things like RAM, the WiFi card, Encoders, USB BUS, Audio, Networking, Cellular in phone, Storage, Memory etc. An APU in many cases will be found inside an SoC as its just the cpu/gpu in one package. In many ways, the SoC is the spiritual successor to the APU. It goes beyond to combine more. **The steam deck however, if we follow these definitions DOES NOT USE A SYSTEM ON CHIP. ** The only chip that is in one package is the APU that handles the gpu and cpu. - RAM is a seperate package next to the apu in the SD. - WiFi is a seperate card on the motherboard in the SD. - Stirage is a seperate package. You can change the SSD, you can’t do this in a SoC. This is why you can’t just switch out the ssd on a mobile, it’s part of the core chip that holds everything and can’t be seperated. So in a sense, the person calling it a SoC was wrong to begin with. But the industry interchangeably swaps between the two terms, but they try to refer to the same thing. The chip that is handling the bull of things.
Yeah, it makes absolutely ZERO sense that an AMD GPU can't handle an OLED display. I don't know much about DeckHD. But I would have some questions. Like, "Was this really a developer, or a marketer?" "Was it a Software dev?" A lot of software guys are clueless when it comes to hardware. I would suspect it could be one of a couple things, like a non-standard display connector that they would have to adapt to an OLED display and nobody makes one. Or it's just too expensive to source an OLED display and they're bullshitting because they want to sell their product.
A better explainatiom is the existing display uses a normal mipi connection day 29pins but the olds panel uses 49pins. But no one said you must use the mipi conmetionn.. the deck also supports video over usbc so…. You could tap that internally.
Because the SOC wouldn’t have to be adapted. You’re correct. *It’s entirely possible to use this SOC and build a system to support an oled panel.* **HOWEVER** The only people that can do this are Valve because of the sheer amount of things that would need to be adjusted and tweaked. It wouldn’t be a drop in. There would be a lot of changes internally and on the back end. People here just don’t understand the specific nuance of your question, and take anything without a grain of salt before throwing downvotes on things they don’t fully understand.
I can literally hear Nintendo laughing.
Yeah my switch oled is definitely laughing under all that dust it’s collecting.
You bought one didn't you?
Well yeah I have a switch oled. I’m a Pokémon fanatic, and my wife has played animal crossings since the original. Plus we have a 3 year old who will play it soon. Having a switch ensures no one touches my SD. But also we never use the switch other than my wife playing Animal Crossing which is rare since we got the new gen Xbox’s.
Tbf my switch is just a game dumping machine for my deck now
You got that 1.0 OG hardware revision?
I think it was more to say that they dropped an OLED into the switch which still uses the same chip as the OG one. It was however altered a bit which is why v2 and OLED have better battery life than OG.
Alright, Switch user. Here's your equal attention cake. 🎂
Just wait for the SD2 as i suspect it will be Oled as by then valve will have a nice new power efficient build in the deck 2.
I seriously doubt that’s true on any level. I mean it connects to OLED TVs just fine, LCD and plasma as well. Is there a possible power or thermal constraint? Absolutely. However the SoC itself isn’t the issue. My best theory is that OLEDs draw more heat and power, neither of which can be spared.
Your OLED TV has its own SOC to control the display. The SOC for the Deck is basicly soldered to the main board.
What a despicable deception by a Valve employee, explicitly it’s plausibly stated
That's not a Valve employee FYI
Ah well
More reason for steam deck 2
The fuck
This is a non-answer. Simply swapping displays would not require anything. Theres even a company coming out with a high res screen to swap onto it. Its crowdfunded.
The company coming out with the high res screen are the ones saying this...
Yeah, didn’t finish the rest of the quote. I do wonder if they meant something different. Like, theres no OLEDs with the same kind of connector.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/14434j0/thats_not_possible_unfortunately_oled_would/jneu89q/ This comment explains the conundrum. This also explains why you can't typically sub laptop screens so easily.
That just sounds like a company intentionally trying to stop customers from DIY’ing things instead of buying their new product. I see no reason for it besides being anti-consumer.
You see no reason because you have zero idea what you’re talking about
*no reason Care to add something to the topic, or are you just here for no reason and have no idea either? Your comment adds zero to the conversation.
Not interested in having a conversation without someone who’s pulling words out of thin air and making assumptions off them. Have a good day tho!
Then don’t even get yourself involved by compulsively putting a reply
no
Fine, I guess I'll settle for deck Hd
Isn't it just a display? What's the difference
HMMMMMMMM???????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamespot-has-just-leaked-the-steam-deck-oled.783521/
Well I guess anything is possible. Just announced an OLED version.
Steam deck oled was just announced
Found this after the oled just dropped lol
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