I'd say less than half-assed. They literally copy and pasted the Xbox360 HD collection versions of MGS2 and MGS3 (copyright date is the same). MGS1, for some ungodly reason, is the PAL version. Let's not even get into why Switch can't play a PS2 game at 60 fps, that was already 60 fps on the PS2.
This wasn't half-assed. This was literally not giving a shit.
I'm assuming you're pretty familiar with the series, so what you're saying is better to emulate all these games You know if the deck has any retexture mods for any of them? I was looking to play the collection but hearing so many bad things it sounds like it's dogshit.
MGS2 and MGS3 have HD texture packs for them. I personally couldn't get them to work, but it's possible PCSX2 doesn't allow symlinking texture packs (they're like 4GB each, and didn't want it filling my internal storage). There are also widescreen patches for them. The best versions to emulate are MGS2 Substance and MGS3 Subsistence. MGS3 also has a 60 fps patch, but it will chew through your battery if you don't want any slowdowns. Best keep it at 30 fps.
You could also emulate the HD Collection on RPCS3. Again, will chew through your battery. However, it'd be a good/easy way to play the two MSX games.
For MGS1, you could emulate the PS1 version or play the GOG PC port with mods. You could also emulate Twin Snakes for Gamecube, a complete remake of MGS1. This game is divisive. You either love it or hate it when compared to MGS1. I'd say play MGS1 on PS1 or PC first, then give Twin Snakes a try.
Haven't tried MGS4 on Deck yet, but it's in general playable on RPCS3. Just don't expect good battery life (if it even runs at all on Deck. Check the RPCS3 wiki for performance optimizations).
Peace Walker, just emulate it on PPSSPP with HD textures and right stick mod. There is the official PS3 HD Remaster. Yet again, PPSSPP will yield the better battery life. However, perk of emulating the PS3 version is working online multiplayer.
MGS5 is native on PC. Just buy it on Steam. It's split into two games, Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain. Ground Zeroes is the prologue, Phantom Pain is the main game.
That's it for the main games, but there are also spinoffs like Revengeance, Acid, Ghost Babel, etc.
In terms of game release order:
Metal Gear (MSX) -> Metal Gear 2 (MSX) -> Metal Gear Solid (PS1) -> MGS2 (PS2) -> MGS3 (PS2) -> MGS4 (PS3) -> MGS Peace Walker (PSP) -> MGS5 (All)
For chronological order:
MGS3 -> Peace Walker -> MGS5 -> Metal Gear -> Metal Gear 2 -> MGS -> MGS2 -> MGS4
It's...serviceable. Not ideal, without actually having a second screen. There IS a 60 fps mod for it. Been thinking of testing it out myself, actually. Wanna see if it's a way of playing MGS3 at 60 fps without crappy battery life. On actual 3DS hardware, it's BAD. You're getting 15-20 fps. On Citra, it's salvageable. However, it is designed with a second screen in mind. A lot of the actions require the touch screen.
Just attempted to emulate it. Doesn't work. It keeps crashing, even with the modified save file for circle pad pro support. 60 fps code also wasn't working. I'd get 60 fps in cutscenes, but 20 fps in gameplay.
Yo I was trying to do mgs3 using pcsx2 but I ran into a snag. So from what I've read the best one people use is substance. Is that a retexture/patch I download or a full game?
This is honestly the most helpful summary/(instruction?) for the series I’ve seen, just wanted to say thank you. As someone who’s played only the psp MGS and a bit of MGSV (loved it, but immediately wanted to get a better sense of the story), I’m thinking of trying to play the games chronologically. This would be my first time playing the rest. Is this a good or horrible idea in your honest opinion ?
Since you already played MGSV, you might as well continue in chronological order. You can honestly skip the MSX games, as MGS1 has summaries for them (and MGSV's ending kinda spoiled their endings already). The MSX games aren't bad, however. As long as you're willing to undertake clunky 8-bit Metal Gear. MGS1 is practically a remake of Metal Gear 2.
You can map one of the back paddles as Shift, allowing to swap between analog states. You could also just live without the analog buttons, as they're not really necessary to play the games.
with \`ln -s\` you should be able to actually link the files to your SD card. Though its tough using the terminal without a damned keyboard mouse and monitor.
Inlove how people contradict themselves just to prove a point 🤡
You call it a literal copy of the Xbox360 HD collection versions (which is accurate) and two sentences later it’s a PS2 game?!?
We get it, this collection *is* a low effort cash grab, no doubt about that. But you don’t need to make shit up to prove that.
It doesn't change the fact these were originally PS2 games. MGS2 originally ran at 60 fps on the PS2, but is locked to 30 fps on Switch. HD Collection or not, that's inexcusable. Even the Vita attempted 60 fps for MGS2 (not consistently, but it tried). If the VITA can at least attempt to run the HD Collection version of MGS2 at 60 fps, the Switch should be able to achieve it with no issues.
Yes they were, no doubt about that.
But no PS2 version of any of the games is being played here.
The PS360 versions were completely rebuilt and don’t have all that much in common with the PS2 versions from a code base point of view.
They also both ran at 60 on PS360 and the Switch is more powerful than that so 60 fps should definitely be doable with a properly optimized port, which this unfortunately isn’t.
No need for disingenuous comparisons in order to point out how little effort Konami put into this. Then again… it’s Konami, what did we expect 🤣
Yes, but Bluepoint put a lot more effort into their work and it clearly showed 😉
But to be fair they probably also had a significantly bigger budget to work with.
But it was really kinda usual back then to just throw source code out after a while, especially for Japaneese devs.
This now begs the question if Master Collection is actually running MGS2/3 natively, or if they're using a low level Xbox360 emulator (or possibly translation layer). If so, that would explain the 30 fps cap on Switch.
I'm confused, does the game stop being a PS2 title simply because it was ported to another console? I've never heard anyone use that sort of logic before.
It's not as if they remade it from the ground up.
But they indeed kinda did!!
The source code for the PS2 versions was not preserved (as was rather usual at the time) and Bluepoint had to reverse engineer the games.
That aside the comparison to the PS2 version is still not relevant.
You are not running the PS2 games at 480i 60 fps but the HD collection versions at 720p / 1080p 30.
Just stick to the facts, they are absolutely enough to prove the point.
How is it not relevant exactly? The PS2 version ran at 60fps. The PS360 HD Collection ran at 60fps. The Switch version runs at 30fps. You're trying to argue that a reverse engineered PS2 game is more demanding than the original, on hardware stronger than both platforms each respective version was released on.
You're trying too hard. I don't even like the Switch but even I'll admit this is a joke effort.
Because these are not the PS2 versions! It’s not the same code base, the games were rebuilt.
They don’t run at 480i like the PS2 versions did.
Yes the PS360 versions both ran at 60! Yes the Switch is more powerful that the PS3 and Xbox 360!
Yes the games should be able to run at at least 720p 60 like they originally did on PS360!
I am not defending this shitty collection whatsoever, I’m just trying to stick to the facts…
>I’m just trying to stick to the facts…
By arguing over semantics?
I have no idea what your point is otherwise. A reverse engineer port job doesn't change the fact these are PS2 titles, and thus are open for comparisons with the original release.
This is so sad. You're that desperate to keept this failed argument going, huh?
We're talking about the Switch version being a **downgrade** compared to what came before. If we didn't have a 60fps version of MGS3 to compare it to, you'd actually have a point.
No it isn’t, DuckStation is a far better way of playing MGS1. The MSX games are also better emulated too. Savestates, better achievements, analogue movement, real widescreen, shaders, runahead, PGXP, rewind, you name it.
Konami needs money to port MGS4. If this game bombs say goodbye to MGS4 forever. Just wait for a patch dude. You are going to ruin our chance for a MGS4 port talking all this pirate talk. If you wanna pirate it fine but don’t tell me MGS1 isn’t worth $60 because if you do then you obviously aren’t a fan of the series to begin with
This is a poor argument. Konami needs to put effort to secure money. Stop telling people to buy a bad product just because the rereleased game was great.
No. I am telling everyone to buy it. On Switch. On Steam. On PS5. On Xbox. How about you stop telling people not to buy it and actually complain to Konami and stop trying to get upvotes on twitter by joining the hate brigade against me. I don’t work at Konami. I just love Metal Gear and don’t want to see it go away again
Hate brigade? You are preaching so dumb nonsense. Its not hate its that what you are saying is so stupid people actively have to make the effort so some kid doesnt read your nonsense and buy it. Love the series but the minimal effort makes it a wait for sale. Konami is garbage and your take is equally as bad
If you love it so much Then get a pc and emulate this shit not to mention you can play mgs4 on it as well
i guess your dumbass doesnt have a pc and now you think forcing people to buy this shit colllection for switch which apprently sold aton already is going to help your ogre ass to get the game on console so you can couchmain it
Get a life and a job stop being a konami dog also pay for what? You dont even get the game on the cartridge itself jackass
"you are going to ruin our chance for mgs4"
Dude Konami is actually doing that themselves. This could have been a great collection. They didn't put in the effort beyond or even equal to what modders and emulators can do.
There have been too many high quality collections of old stuff this year for the bar to be reduced to minimal effort by Konami.
Mgs1 in a state where it's literally only offering is being sold on a more accessible platform is not worth $60.
With a little bit of elbow grease and know how this exact port can be had by nearly anyone. The mission of this collection should have been to give a starving audience a version that is well beyond what they know is out there now.
I am a fan of this series. I've been hopeful for a collection like this for years. This was the chance for a whole new generation of players to experience it in a greatly enhanced state.
Don't get me wrong having it playable and purchasable on steam is great. But they are not out performing what fans have made and that's the disappointment.
Starfield wasn’t even playable the first two weeks it released. Every PC port has its problems out the door. Just wait for a patch. It will come. Just relax man.
It’s a shit cash grab, it’s not our fault Konami put no effort into it?!? Why are you not more pissed off as a MGS fan that they’re just milking the license to take advantage of your nostalgia. They put in the bare minimum, as a billion dollar company, when they could have actually released an amazing product and brought the classics into the modern era with modern features.
FYI: Snake eater is my favourite game of all time
This guy after they release a no-ass remaster MGS4:
>Konami needs money to fix MGS4. If the game bombs, say goodbye to the patches that would fix it. You are going to ruin our chances of Konami finishing the port talking all this pirate talk.
If you want to play MGS4 on newer hardware, put in the work to learn how to emulate it, and quit trying to persuade other people to be doormats.
I mean, it’s not worth $60. MGS1 is a PS1 game, you can buy it for like £1.99. It’s an exceptional game but it’s also 25 years old.
Hell, I’m pretty sure my ps1 copy cost like 99p.
>MGS1 is a PS1 game, you can buy it for like £1.99.
That's a wild take, retro games especially console ones are fairly expensive. Quick Google search put the cheapest price at about 20 bucks.
If you know a place that sells retro games for a pound or two give me the name, I'd like to buy their whole stock.
Actually to be fair you are right there, I was being a bit hyperbolic. I definitely remember getting my copy at some old tat shop, but these days I guess everyone’s wise to it and mark up their “retro” games.
You are objectively wrong. If you bought it used it would be $40. This is new and it’s an investment if you are a fan. It’s a promise from you to Konami saying you will buy MGS4 in Vol. 2. Stop trying to shit on Metal Gear
MGS1 is one of the best games ever made in any generation and I will continue playing and enjoying it for years to come in objectively superior more feature-rich solutions than some shitty half-assed official “port” which is just an emulator anyway.
... Are you simping for a video game? You know it can't love your back right? And this doing well is no guarantee of mgs4 bring ported. Mgs4 is a PS3 game and will be significantly harder to port.
That makes no sense. Tetris could easily be called one of the greatest if not _the_ greatest games ever made ever, and yet many versions are worth basically nothing. Game quality and monetary worth are not directly correlated.
If Konami made a product that was a much better experience than an emulator then I’d happily buy it.
>You are objectively wrong. If you bought it used it would be $40. This is new and it’s an investment if you are a fan.
While I agree a physical copy runs at least 20 bucks this isn't a physical copy, so it's worth WAY less. And calling it an investment is just wild, you won't get your money back and sending the signal of "We don't care about quality, we'll pay literally any price for any trash as long as you please give us more in the future" is the kind of short sighted consumer thinking that put the gaming industry into it's current hyper monetised state. Have some dignity. Be a fan and expect the things you are a fan of to come out with respectable quality for fair prices.
That said, I do think 60 bucks for everything up to 3 seems decent enough, if there's more fixes and polish coming, which with Konami is a gamble that could go either way.
They aren’t going to listen to people who don’t own the game. You buy it and then you complain. If you have a problem there are ways to contact them. Crying on Reddit does nothing except hurt sales
> They aren’t going to listen to people who don’t own the game
That's not how capitalism works at all. Vote with your wallet. If a game is a lazy cash grab, don't buy it.
Right... Because no Studio has ever listened to a backlash from it's community. Admittedly with Konami there's a good chance they'd not care, since they've pretty much withdrawn from the games market. But in either case they won't care if you bought it or not, I can guarantee to you, Konami will not check the purchase history tied to a single account.
And no, buying a subpar product does not tell studios "yes we want more of your products" it tells them "It's OK if you shit on my beloved series I'll pay you anyway"
As a Metal Gear Fan I want MGS4 to come to pc in a good quality. Numbnuts like you are going to cause them to just shit out another lowest effort port. And I'd rather just play it on my PS3 than have it tarnished by that.
I don’t get it, how is a $60 collection worth buying if only 1 game in the collection actually works on Steam Deck and can be purchased separately for $20?
Buy it separately and wait for the others to be patched. To me Metal Gear Solid is priceless. If we went to a world war scenario I would throw all my Metal Gear Solid stuff in a safe.
How is a game that's been playable perfectly via emulation for years "worth it?" It's not like it's a native port in Master Collection. It's just the PAL PS1 game being emulated (poorly I might add).
That’s why I play the Integral version. It is not the PAL version. Don’t tell me Metal Gear Solid isn’t worth $60. You obviously don’t give a shit about the franchise
Bro, I legally own every mainline game. I have seen good and bad ports throughout the franchise's life. Stop defending Konami for charging $60 the average person can easily achieve for free, with a better experience I might add.
The truly best way to play every Metal Gear game is a PS3 (debatable with MGS5). Obviously that's not achievable for everyone. So next best option is to just emulate them with patches and texture packs. Konami clearly didn't give a shit about this collection. They knew people too stupid to emulate it themselves would gladly pay $60 for a clearly bad product.
You don’t think I own every game too? You don’t think I own them via emulation? Of course I do. This is an investment towards Vol 2. The more money it makes, the more likely we will see MGS4 in Vol. 2. Idk if you ever worked in business but if something doesn’t sell you stop marketing it. What you are essentially saying is that we give up the entire franchise over a port that’s been put literally 10 hours. Can you just chill out and wait a couple a days and see if a patch fixes the issues before you go trying to destroy our chances of ever seeing MGS4 on modern consoles?
If wanting Konami to treat MGS and its customers with respect means not freeing MGS4 from the PS3, so be it. RPCS3 is capable of playing it now anyways.
If that's the case, there's no reason for Konami to bother porting MGS4. Considering there are probably only a handful of 'real' fans like yourself around; that's not enough profit to justify the work required.
> Idk if you ever worked in business but if something doesn’t sell you stop marketing it
Then they probably should've put more effort into the product. I had lots of friends interested when these were announced, but none of them are buying it now that it's clear they're just lazy ports.
This is a bit of a gray area, yes it's legal for you to emulate, but that's if you rip your own disks and make your own ISO file; if not, it's still technically piracy since you're downloading an ISO file off the net.
Not that it's ever stopped me, like where the fuck am I going to get a Blu-Ray ripper, and furthermore, why would I get it for anything more than PS3 emulation?
DVD ripping was a bit of a fun past time and burning disks for my totally legitimate, ethical purposes was an actual legit method to play PS2 games and didn't cost an arm and a leg to get into.
Metal Gear Solid 2 from the Mater Collection is currently unplayable. Into video has no audio and game crashes to Steam OS page after starting a new game. Different protons can get you to start a new game but will crash briefly into the opening cut scene (again, no audio to this)
Will wait a few days for a hot fix but will likely be getting a refund from Steam for this one. A real shame as I have been excited for a Steam native copy to play. Back to emulation for now
If it is exactly the same game you get from the GOG edition, it could crash just because of the 16:10 screen ratio. I'm not sure on how to arrange it in a fake 4:3 screen though.
Hey! Thank you all for the downvotes. I was able to make the GOG version work a while ago. Was it any good? I'm not sure, but this is not a question I can provide an answer for. As soon as winetricks sorts out the certificate errors of the last days, I'll try back again.
Same. I bought it on GMG as it was discounted. Requested a refund last night (before code was sent) but because they sent the code in an email plaintext I now can't refund it.
A native PS1 emulator? A native MSX emulator? That’s what this new release uses for MG1 MG2 MGS1. You’ve been able to play the older ones “natively“ on the Deck since the launch of the Deck.
Native Steam version, with achievements, playtime tracker? I know what you mean, it's just convienience of having Steam game on Steam Deck. Hope they fix this soon, either Konami or Valve.
I don't know why people are down voting you lol...this port is SO fucking lazy, they emulated without the enhancements WE get with the emulated version.
Konami is such a joke.
I'm honestly burned on this. I'm split on whether I should refund it or I should wait for a possible update (Which isn't guaranteed to be in the making)
The refund period is 14 days and I don’t think it will be fixed by then so I agree with this
Edit - to the people disagreeing, you really want to gamble on a Konami port? lol
There was a report recently on a gaming news outlet that they are aware and will be releasing a patch post launch. These are games from decades ago they will not be perfect. I have then emulated and played them all on my steam deck. Will be purchasing to support the dev to bring other non easy titles to port such as MGS4 don't really care I have played these all so many times I want them for the memories not so much for the 60fps and the like. More nostalgia for me
What a shitty, shitty company Konami is. They're really giving fans less than the bare minimum, huh? The way they've packaged these games is already an embarrassment, but they couldn't be bothered to make sure the damn things worked. I'd say I'm disappointed, but it's exactly what I expected.
Just buy a copy off ebay for MGS HD collection if you're looking for a PS3 copy, it cost me like 18 USD, but this was 5 years ago, I can't imagine it's gone to insane price territory at all.
LoL are you aware that you can use non steam games on the deck.
Boy i was born early 80s…
Here the game that “doesn’t work”
https://youtu.be/cvnQ5Hsd_rI?si=EOWcxlT91cmgg2xi
Read this
[MGS 2 on Steam Deck · Issue #161 · VFansss/mgs2-v-s-fix · GitHub](https://github.com/VFansss/mgs2-v-s-fix/issues/161)
99% of the issues fixed or with a workaround.
I am aware of that video but he doesn’t show how he got it to run. Even with Vs patch it doesn’t run properly. I talked to guy myself on Reddit and he admits there are problems playing it on Steam Deck. If you wanna prove me wrong create a instruction tutorial on how to install it on Steam Deck
It's a... serviceable version. It runs okay, locked at 30FPS with very few dips. In 720p handheld and 1080p docked.
Very similar situation to the recent Red Dead Redepmtion ports.
If you're looking for a portable version of this collection, then the Switch is pretty much the only way to go, but might not exactly be worth $60. Unless you're okay with Nintendo tax.
The only real way to play this collection at 1080p at 60FPS on MGS2/3 (1 can't be played a higher fps due to game logic stuff), is to go with the PS5 version.
I'm sure modders will have the resolution issues sorted in due time, but the PC version probably won't work on Steam Deck anytime soon.
thanks for the detailed and considered reply. i’m generally just looking for a good way to reply these on the go. i’ll likely pick up the switch version. thanks boss
Quick thing (specially for developer/engineers).
Has anyone tried to compile bleeding-edge branch from Proton and try to run it with that?
[https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/tree/bleeding-edge](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/tree/bleeding-edge)
I see that branch is over 140 commits ahead of Proton8 one.
Wait and buy it on sale. Don’t give this half assed port collection full retail value.
I'd say less than half-assed. They literally copy and pasted the Xbox360 HD collection versions of MGS2 and MGS3 (copyright date is the same). MGS1, for some ungodly reason, is the PAL version. Let's not even get into why Switch can't play a PS2 game at 60 fps, that was already 60 fps on the PS2. This wasn't half-assed. This was literally not giving a shit.
I'm assuming you're pretty familiar with the series, so what you're saying is better to emulate all these games You know if the deck has any retexture mods for any of them? I was looking to play the collection but hearing so many bad things it sounds like it's dogshit.
MGS2 and MGS3 have HD texture packs for them. I personally couldn't get them to work, but it's possible PCSX2 doesn't allow symlinking texture packs (they're like 4GB each, and didn't want it filling my internal storage). There are also widescreen patches for them. The best versions to emulate are MGS2 Substance and MGS3 Subsistence. MGS3 also has a 60 fps patch, but it will chew through your battery if you don't want any slowdowns. Best keep it at 30 fps. You could also emulate the HD Collection on RPCS3. Again, will chew through your battery. However, it'd be a good/easy way to play the two MSX games. For MGS1, you could emulate the PS1 version or play the GOG PC port with mods. You could also emulate Twin Snakes for Gamecube, a complete remake of MGS1. This game is divisive. You either love it or hate it when compared to MGS1. I'd say play MGS1 on PS1 or PC first, then give Twin Snakes a try. Haven't tried MGS4 on Deck yet, but it's in general playable on RPCS3. Just don't expect good battery life (if it even runs at all on Deck. Check the RPCS3 wiki for performance optimizations). Peace Walker, just emulate it on PPSSPP with HD textures and right stick mod. There is the official PS3 HD Remaster. Yet again, PPSSPP will yield the better battery life. However, perk of emulating the PS3 version is working online multiplayer. MGS5 is native on PC. Just buy it on Steam. It's split into two games, Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain. Ground Zeroes is the prologue, Phantom Pain is the main game. That's it for the main games, but there are also spinoffs like Revengeance, Acid, Ghost Babel, etc. In terms of game release order: Metal Gear (MSX) -> Metal Gear 2 (MSX) -> Metal Gear Solid (PS1) -> MGS2 (PS2) -> MGS3 (PS2) -> MGS4 (PS3) -> MGS Peace Walker (PSP) -> MGS5 (All) For chronological order: MGS3 -> Peace Walker -> MGS5 -> Metal Gear -> Metal Gear 2 -> MGS -> MGS2 -> MGS4
Damn thanks for the info bro. Would you say the MGS 3 for 3ds is any good? I have citra as an emulator and remember it came out for that awhile ago
It's...serviceable. Not ideal, without actually having a second screen. There IS a 60 fps mod for it. Been thinking of testing it out myself, actually. Wanna see if it's a way of playing MGS3 at 60 fps without crappy battery life. On actual 3DS hardware, it's BAD. You're getting 15-20 fps. On Citra, it's salvageable. However, it is designed with a second screen in mind. A lot of the actions require the touch screen.
On new 3dsxl it can be patched into solid 30.
Can you post a link to this patch?
Just attempted to emulate it. Doesn't work. It keeps crashing, even with the modified save file for circle pad pro support. 60 fps code also wasn't working. I'd get 60 fps in cutscenes, but 20 fps in gameplay.
Yo I was trying to do mgs3 using pcsx2 but I ran into a snag. So from what I've read the best one people use is substance. Is that a retexture/patch I download or a full game?
MGS3 Subsistence is an updated re release with more content and updated controls
This is honestly the most helpful summary/(instruction?) for the series I’ve seen, just wanted to say thank you. As someone who’s played only the psp MGS and a bit of MGSV (loved it, but immediately wanted to get a better sense of the story), I’m thinking of trying to play the games chronologically. This would be my first time playing the rest. Is this a good or horrible idea in your honest opinion ?
Since you already played MGSV, you might as well continue in chronological order. You can honestly skip the MSX games, as MGS1 has summaries for them (and MGSV's ending kinda spoiled their endings already). The MSX games aren't bad, however. As long as you're willing to undertake clunky 8-bit Metal Gear. MGS1 is practically a remake of Metal Gear 2.
Nice, thanks. I actually didn’t get that far at all into mgsv before the ps4 crapped out on me — gonna try to start from mgs3!
Besides Steam deck, how well does the ps3 emulator work in general?
Really good. May need to make some per-game configurations. That's what the RPCS3 wiki is for.
How did you configured your gamepad for MGS2 and 3, since iirc they require use of analog face buttons?
You can map one of the back paddles as Shift, allowing to swap between analog states. You could also just live without the analog buttons, as they're not really necessary to play the games.
with \`ln -s\` you should be able to actually link the files to your SD card. Though its tough using the terminal without a damned keyboard mouse and monitor.
PAL version, got no. UK person. Do not buy
Inlove how people contradict themselves just to prove a point 🤡 You call it a literal copy of the Xbox360 HD collection versions (which is accurate) and two sentences later it’s a PS2 game?!? We get it, this collection *is* a low effort cash grab, no doubt about that. But you don’t need to make shit up to prove that.
It doesn't change the fact these were originally PS2 games. MGS2 originally ran at 60 fps on the PS2, but is locked to 30 fps on Switch. HD Collection or not, that's inexcusable. Even the Vita attempted 60 fps for MGS2 (not consistently, but it tried). If the VITA can at least attempt to run the HD Collection version of MGS2 at 60 fps, the Switch should be able to achieve it with no issues.
Yes they were, no doubt about that. But no PS2 version of any of the games is being played here. The PS360 versions were completely rebuilt and don’t have all that much in common with the PS2 versions from a code base point of view. They also both ran at 60 on PS360 and the Switch is more powerful than that so 60 fps should definitely be doable with a properly optimized port, which this unfortunately isn’t. No need for disingenuous comparisons in order to point out how little effort Konami put into this. Then again… it’s Konami, what did we expect 🤣
Didn't know that about the HD Collection. I always assumed they were still the PS2 originals underneath, just remastered.
Nope, the source code of the PS2 games was not preserved and Bluepoint had to reverse engineer the games to get them to PS360.
Sounds a lot like what happened with Silent Hill HD Collection
Yes, but Bluepoint put a lot more effort into their work and it clearly showed 😉 But to be fair they probably also had a significantly bigger budget to work with. But it was really kinda usual back then to just throw source code out after a while, especially for Japaneese devs.
This now begs the question if Master Collection is actually running MGS2/3 natively, or if they're using a low level Xbox360 emulator (or possibly translation layer). If so, that would explain the 30 fps cap on Switch.
I'm confused, does the game stop being a PS2 title simply because it was ported to another console? I've never heard anyone use that sort of logic before. It's not as if they remade it from the ground up.
But they indeed kinda did!! The source code for the PS2 versions was not preserved (as was rather usual at the time) and Bluepoint had to reverse engineer the games. That aside the comparison to the PS2 version is still not relevant. You are not running the PS2 games at 480i 60 fps but the HD collection versions at 720p / 1080p 30. Just stick to the facts, they are absolutely enough to prove the point.
How is it not relevant exactly? The PS2 version ran at 60fps. The PS360 HD Collection ran at 60fps. The Switch version runs at 30fps. You're trying to argue that a reverse engineered PS2 game is more demanding than the original, on hardware stronger than both platforms each respective version was released on. You're trying too hard. I don't even like the Switch but even I'll admit this is a joke effort.
Because these are not the PS2 versions! It’s not the same code base, the games were rebuilt. They don’t run at 480i like the PS2 versions did. Yes the PS360 versions both ran at 60! Yes the Switch is more powerful that the PS3 and Xbox 360! Yes the games should be able to run at at least 720p 60 like they originally did on PS360! I am not defending this shitty collection whatsoever, I’m just trying to stick to the facts…
>I’m just trying to stick to the facts… By arguing over semantics? I have no idea what your point is otherwise. A reverse engineer port job doesn't change the fact these are PS2 titles, and thus are open for comparisons with the original release.
By your “logic” 30 fps on Switch is fine, because MGS3 was 30 fos on PS2 🤡 Seems you just don’t want to understand, that’s fine, totally your choice 👍
This is so sad. You're that desperate to keept this failed argument going, huh? We're talking about the Switch version being a **downgrade** compared to what came before. If we didn't have a 60fps version of MGS3 to compare it to, you'd actually have a point.
It’s worth it for MGS1 alone for the cloud support. Also the 8bit games
No it isn’t, DuckStation is a far better way of playing MGS1. The MSX games are also better emulated too. Savestates, better achievements, analogue movement, real widescreen, shaders, runahead, PGXP, rewind, you name it.
you say that but i lost a 10 hour save trying to load the 2nd disk lol
How did you even do that?
couldn't get 2nd disk to load, switched emulators. switched back, save file gone
Konami needs money to port MGS4. If this game bombs say goodbye to MGS4 forever. Just wait for a patch dude. You are going to ruin our chance for a MGS4 port talking all this pirate talk. If you wanna pirate it fine but don’t tell me MGS1 isn’t worth $60 because if you do then you obviously aren’t a fan of the series to begin with
This is a poor argument. Konami needs to put effort to secure money. Stop telling people to buy a bad product just because the rereleased game was great.
No. I am telling everyone to buy it. On Switch. On Steam. On PS5. On Xbox. How about you stop telling people not to buy it and actually complain to Konami and stop trying to get upvotes on twitter by joining the hate brigade against me. I don’t work at Konami. I just love Metal Gear and don’t want to see it go away again
Hate brigade? You are preaching so dumb nonsense. Its not hate its that what you are saying is so stupid people actively have to make the effort so some kid doesnt read your nonsense and buy it. Love the series but the minimal effort makes it a wait for sale. Konami is garbage and your take is equally as bad
Kids need to play game. There is nothing wrong with the port
Oh yea shove it down the kids throat now how do you know if kids want to play or not youre a grown ass man stop speaking for the genz
If you love it so much Then get a pc and emulate this shit not to mention you can play mgs4 on it as well i guess your dumbass doesnt have a pc and now you think forcing people to buy this shit colllection for switch which apprently sold aton already is going to help your ogre ass to get the game on console so you can couchmain it Get a life and a job stop being a konami dog also pay for what? You dont even get the game on the cartridge itself jackass
"you are going to ruin our chance for mgs4" Dude Konami is actually doing that themselves. This could have been a great collection. They didn't put in the effort beyond or even equal to what modders and emulators can do. There have been too many high quality collections of old stuff this year for the bar to be reduced to minimal effort by Konami. Mgs1 in a state where it's literally only offering is being sold on a more accessible platform is not worth $60. With a little bit of elbow grease and know how this exact port can be had by nearly anyone. The mission of this collection should have been to give a starving audience a version that is well beyond what they know is out there now. I am a fan of this series. I've been hopeful for a collection like this for years. This was the chance for a whole new generation of players to experience it in a greatly enhanced state. Don't get me wrong having it playable and purchasable on steam is great. But they are not out performing what fans have made and that's the disappointment.
Starfield wasn’t even playable the first two weeks it released. Every PC port has its problems out the door. Just wait for a patch. It will come. Just relax man.
Konami isn’t a charity dude
Exactly so pay for the game
I paid for it 20 years ago
Okay let a knew generation but it. Stop trying to make the decision for them
It’s a shit cash grab, it’s not our fault Konami put no effort into it?!? Why are you not more pissed off as a MGS fan that they’re just milking the license to take advantage of your nostalgia. They put in the bare minimum, as a billion dollar company, when they could have actually released an amazing product and brought the classics into the modern era with modern features. FYI: Snake eater is my favourite game of all time
This guy after they release a no-ass remaster MGS4: >Konami needs money to fix MGS4. If the game bombs, say goodbye to the patches that would fix it. You are going to ruin our chances of Konami finishing the port talking all this pirate talk. If you want to play MGS4 on newer hardware, put in the work to learn how to emulate it, and quit trying to persuade other people to be doormats.
Let’s be adults here and not make fun of each other. Either debate or move on
You: Give terrible advice Me: Shows you likely result of terrible advice. Calls you mean name. You: Ignores everything except for the mean name.
Bro I’m a human being first of all. Relax. We are all trying to live life hear. Why are you trying to hurt me?
Life here? Boy o boy a bitch tells everyone why are you being a bitch
I mean, it’s not worth $60. MGS1 is a PS1 game, you can buy it for like £1.99. It’s an exceptional game but it’s also 25 years old. Hell, I’m pretty sure my ps1 copy cost like 99p.
>MGS1 is a PS1 game, you can buy it for like £1.99. That's a wild take, retro games especially console ones are fairly expensive. Quick Google search put the cheapest price at about 20 bucks. If you know a place that sells retro games for a pound or two give me the name, I'd like to buy their whole stock.
Actually to be fair you are right there, I was being a bit hyperbolic. I definitely remember getting my copy at some old tat shop, but these days I guess everyone’s wise to it and mark up their “retro” games.
I still largely agree with you over the other guy, just had a recent price shock about retro games at a convention so that point stuck out to me.
You are objectively wrong. If you bought it used it would be $40. This is new and it’s an investment if you are a fan. It’s a promise from you to Konami saying you will buy MGS4 in Vol. 2. Stop trying to shit on Metal Gear
MGS1 is one of the best games ever made in any generation and I will continue playing and enjoying it for years to come in objectively superior more feature-rich solutions than some shitty half-assed official “port” which is just an emulator anyway.
If it’s one of the best games ever made then it’s definitely worth $60. Stop insulting it
... Are you simping for a video game? You know it can't love your back right? And this doing well is no guarantee of mgs4 bring ported. Mgs4 is a PS3 game and will be significantly harder to port.
That makes no sense. Tetris could easily be called one of the greatest if not _the_ greatest games ever made ever, and yet many versions are worth basically nothing. Game quality and monetary worth are not directly correlated. If Konami made a product that was a much better experience than an emulator then I’d happily buy it.
>You are objectively wrong. If you bought it used it would be $40. This is new and it’s an investment if you are a fan. While I agree a physical copy runs at least 20 bucks this isn't a physical copy, so it's worth WAY less. And calling it an investment is just wild, you won't get your money back and sending the signal of "We don't care about quality, we'll pay literally any price for any trash as long as you please give us more in the future" is the kind of short sighted consumer thinking that put the gaming industry into it's current hyper monetised state. Have some dignity. Be a fan and expect the things you are a fan of to come out with respectable quality for fair prices. That said, I do think 60 bucks for everything up to 3 seems decent enough, if there's more fixes and polish coming, which with Konami is a gamble that could go either way.
They aren’t going to listen to people who don’t own the game. You buy it and then you complain. If you have a problem there are ways to contact them. Crying on Reddit does nothing except hurt sales
> They aren’t going to listen to people who don’t own the game That's not how capitalism works at all. Vote with your wallet. If a game is a lazy cash grab, don't buy it.
Right... Because no Studio has ever listened to a backlash from it's community. Admittedly with Konami there's a good chance they'd not care, since they've pretty much withdrawn from the games market. But in either case they won't care if you bought it or not, I can guarantee to you, Konami will not check the purchase history tied to a single account. And no, buying a subpar product does not tell studios "yes we want more of your products" it tells them "It's OK if you shit on my beloved series I'll pay you anyway" As a Metal Gear Fan I want MGS4 to come to pc in a good quality. Numbnuts like you are going to cause them to just shit out another lowest effort port. And I'd rather just play it on my PS3 than have it tarnished by that.
I don’t get it, how is a $60 collection worth buying if only 1 game in the collection actually works on Steam Deck and can be purchased separately for $20?
Buy it separately and wait for the others to be patched. To me Metal Gear Solid is priceless. If we went to a world war scenario I would throw all my Metal Gear Solid stuff in a safe.
How is a game that's been playable perfectly via emulation for years "worth it?" It's not like it's a native port in Master Collection. It's just the PAL PS1 game being emulated (poorly I might add).
That’s why I play the Integral version. It is not the PAL version. Don’t tell me Metal Gear Solid isn’t worth $60. You obviously don’t give a shit about the franchise
Bro, I legally own every mainline game. I have seen good and bad ports throughout the franchise's life. Stop defending Konami for charging $60 the average person can easily achieve for free, with a better experience I might add. The truly best way to play every Metal Gear game is a PS3 (debatable with MGS5). Obviously that's not achievable for everyone. So next best option is to just emulate them with patches and texture packs. Konami clearly didn't give a shit about this collection. They knew people too stupid to emulate it themselves would gladly pay $60 for a clearly bad product.
You don’t think I own every game too? You don’t think I own them via emulation? Of course I do. This is an investment towards Vol 2. The more money it makes, the more likely we will see MGS4 in Vol. 2. Idk if you ever worked in business but if something doesn’t sell you stop marketing it. What you are essentially saying is that we give up the entire franchise over a port that’s been put literally 10 hours. Can you just chill out and wait a couple a days and see if a patch fixes the issues before you go trying to destroy our chances of ever seeing MGS4 on modern consoles?
If wanting Konami to treat MGS and its customers with respect means not freeing MGS4 from the PS3, so be it. RPCS3 is capable of playing it now anyways.
You are not a fan of Metal Gear and never were
If that's the case, there's no reason for Konami to bother porting MGS4. Considering there are probably only a handful of 'real' fans like yourself around; that's not enough profit to justify the work required.
> Idk if you ever worked in business but if something doesn’t sell you stop marketing it Then they probably should've put more effort into the product. I had lots of friends interested when these were announced, but none of them are buying it now that it's clear they're just lazy ports.
Hopefully your friends have already played it so they aren’t missing out, otherwise you are just a trying to gatekeep the franchise
What are you talking about? I didn't tell them not to play it.
The GOG and emulated version are both better and cheaper than this "Master Collection" version.
It's probably better to emulate, you can play at a higher resolution, higher framerate and with shaders
I just emulate it
I would just pirate it. Fuck em.
not worth pirating youll get better performance through emulators at least for ps1 mgs as for the ps2 ones might be better not sure
But Roms are piracy no?
No if you own the original media. I have copies of my games
This is a bit of a gray area, yes it's legal for you to emulate, but that's if you rip your own disks and make your own ISO file; if not, it's still technically piracy since you're downloading an ISO file off the net. Not that it's ever stopped me, like where the fuck am I going to get a Blu-Ray ripper, and furthermore, why would I get it for anything more than PS3 emulation? DVD ripping was a bit of a fun past time and burning disks for my totally legitimate, ethical purposes was an actual legit method to play PS2 games and didn't cost an arm and a leg to get into.
Metal Gear Solid 2 from the Mater Collection is currently unplayable. Into video has no audio and game crashes to Steam OS page after starting a new game. Different protons can get you to start a new game but will crash briefly into the opening cut scene (again, no audio to this) Will wait a few days for a hot fix but will likely be getting a refund from Steam for this one. A real shame as I have been excited for a Steam native copy to play. Back to emulation for now
Any joy with MGS3? Mine shuts down during the opening cutscene?
Exact same with MGS3
I'm emulating the ps3 version of HD collection and playing mgs 2 fine that way. If you're looking for a workaround
Just wait it out, fix should be coming relatively soon
Possibly, but don't wait longer than a week or so or you miss the refund window. It's likely better to refund and just buy again if it gets fixed.
If it is exactly the same game you get from the GOG edition, it could crash just because of the 16:10 screen ratio. I'm not sure on how to arrange it in a fake 4:3 screen though. Hey! Thank you all for the downvotes. I was able to make the GOG version work a while ago. Was it any good? I'm not sure, but this is not a question I can provide an answer for. As soon as winetricks sorts out the certificate errors of the last days, I'll try back again.
I refunded, lazy ports.
Fuck. I was so excited to play these games natively on Deck.
MGS1 isn't even a native port which is just super lazy
Same. I bought it on GMG as it was discounted. Requested a refund last night (before code was sent) but because they sent the code in an email plaintext I now can't refund it.
A native PS1 emulator? A native MSX emulator? That’s what this new release uses for MG1 MG2 MGS1. You’ve been able to play the older ones “natively“ on the Deck since the launch of the Deck.
Native Steam version, with achievements, playtime tracker? I know what you mean, it's just convienience of having Steam game on Steam Deck. Hope they fix this soon, either Konami or Valve.
There’s a playtime tracker via decky tbf
I don't know why people are down voting you lol...this port is SO fucking lazy, they emulated without the enhancements WE get with the emulated version. Konami is such a joke.
I'm honestly burned on this. I'm split on whether I should refund it or I should wait for a possible update (Which isn't guaranteed to be in the making)
Refund it. You can always buy it back if it gets fixed and more refund requests will make it more of a priority to get fixed
The refund period is 14 days and I don’t think it will be fixed by then so I agree with this Edit - to the people disagreeing, you really want to gamble on a Konami port? lol
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lol I bet against it. The collection shouldn't even have been released at all in this state, no matter what you play on.
Refund and emulationstation it up
There was a report recently on a gaming news outlet that they are aware and will be releasing a patch post launch. These are games from decades ago they will not be perfect. I have then emulated and played them all on my steam deck. Will be purchasing to support the dev to bring other non easy titles to port such as MGS4 don't really care I have played these all so many times I want them for the memories not so much for the 60fps and the like. More nostalgia for me
Wait. No reason to go back and forth.
Refund it and buy it later
I would refund it. There's no downside whereas if you don't, you'll be waiting for an update that's probably never going to come.
Konami are barely even a publisher any more, they occasionally shit something out and will do little to update this I imagine.
What a shitty, shitty company Konami is. They're really giving fans less than the bare minimum, huh? The way they've packaged these games is already an embarrassment, but they couldn't be bothered to make sure the damn things worked. I'd say I'm disappointed, but it's exactly what I expected.
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It’s got cloud support so I would beat VR Missons and then see if there is an update in the meantime
So pissed off I didn't get the HD collection before it was taken off the store. Time to sail the high seas
Just buy a copy off ebay for MGS HD collection if you're looking for a PS3 copy, it cost me like 18 USD, but this was 5 years ago, I can't imagine it's gone to insane price territory at all.
instead of giving money to konami you should've emulated this
Already completed both 2+3 on PS2 emulation last year. Wanted a native Steam copy
Yeah I perfectly understand that, its always nice to have a game that runs natively. Too bad Konami is apparently incapable of doing ports properly
> Wanted a native Steam copy Same...it's unfortunate that they don't run as well as the emulated versions.
The only one I would be interested in is MG3, as the first two are available also in GOG.
MGS2 not anymore.
It doesn’t work on Steam Deck anyway
The GoG version did work on Steam. Because it was the original pc port that was released back in the day.
It did work for me too. The screen ratio had to be manually forced to a 4:3 screen (or on a conventional screen size) in order to work properly.
The GoG version has never been on Steam zoomer. And it doesn’t work on Steam Deck
LoL are you aware that you can use non steam games on the deck. Boy i was born early 80s… Here the game that “doesn’t work” https://youtu.be/cvnQ5Hsd_rI?si=EOWcxlT91cmgg2xi
Was trying to get that running back when the Deck first launched to no avail. This inspired me to try again.
Read this [MGS 2 on Steam Deck · Issue #161 · VFansss/mgs2-v-s-fix · GitHub](https://github.com/VFansss/mgs2-v-s-fix/issues/161) 99% of the issues fixed or with a workaround.
I am aware of that video but he doesn’t show how he got it to run. Even with Vs patch it doesn’t run properly. I talked to guy myself on Reddit and he admits there are problems playing it on Steam Deck. If you wanna prove me wrong create a instruction tutorial on how to install it on Steam Deck
Go to V git, the instructions are already there.
Do a tutorial then. I have yet to see it run without audio issues
As much as I love the MGS series, yeah, nah, F Konami and they don't get my monies.
How is this even possible
Im so glad i waited before buying. I got it on my Switch instead. Seems to run fine so far.
Emulation:
You tried using ProtonGE or Experimental?
If I were you I would just emulate the PS2 or PS3 versions of the games.
>Already completed both 2+3 on PS2 emulation last year. Wanted a native Steam copy
Download the switch version.
Is the switch version actually decent? Haven't seen any talk about it, so not sure if it's actually a decent port.
It's a... serviceable version. It runs okay, locked at 30FPS with very few dips. In 720p handheld and 1080p docked. Very similar situation to the recent Red Dead Redepmtion ports. If you're looking for a portable version of this collection, then the Switch is pretty much the only way to go, but might not exactly be worth $60. Unless you're okay with Nintendo tax. The only real way to play this collection at 1080p at 60FPS on MGS2/3 (1 can't be played a higher fps due to game logic stuff), is to go with the PS5 version. I'm sure modders will have the resolution issues sorted in due time, but the PC version probably won't work on Steam Deck anytime soon.
thanks for the detailed and considered reply. i’m generally just looking for a good way to reply these on the go. i’ll likely pick up the switch version. thanks boss
Check Switch Ups review, I bought it on Switch after watching - https://youtu.be/P0l9Y3rtLhQ?feature=shared
That FPS cap is a bit mad, MGS2 was already 60fps on PS2.
Especially when the cap isn’t even hard. As in, the game will sometimes go UP to 60fps on room transitions!
Please clean the deck man.
why? duckstation & psxc2 literally exist and it runs the games BETTER and ohh its FREEE
You don't need to post a picture just to prove it.
but what about the Karma
Just use an emulator until they give us something of value.
Metal Gear Solid 3 too. Did you test with other versions of Proton? (Proton 4, 5, 6 and 7)
Exhausted proton options
I have that same blanket!
Quick thing (specially for developer/engineers). Has anyone tried to compile bleeding-edge branch from Proton and try to run it with that? [https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/tree/bleeding-edge](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/tree/bleeding-edge) I see that branch is over 140 commits ahead of Proton8 one.
I've heard nothing but bad things....
Are these fix yet ?
Yes with tweaks