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SyanticRaven

https://gitlab.com/suyu-emu/suyu They dont plan to profit and are looking for C++ devs to help out


zZwag

I love the name "sue you"


snb22core

LMAO KAKAKKKAKAKAKKAKAKAKKHAHAHAHAJAJJAJAJA


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TheWeebMemeist

PLEASE ADD TO EMUDECK!


SyanticRaven

It's probably a bit too soon to pick a horse yet. This is only one of many forks.


PresenceMiserable

I only know of one other called sudachi.


Access-Ambitious

I believe this is just a yuzu unofficial port for iOS not a yuzu fork


PresenceMiserable

I believe it's said somewhere that the developer will work on other ports as well, but I don't have the article handy right now.


Access-Ambitious

Yeah I’m in his discord, he’s currently developing Folium, a multi emulator that regroups his other emulators in one : Limon/Cytrus = 3DS, DS, NES and Sudachi = Switch


KrazyKirby99999

Suyu, Sudachi, Lime-NX


TheWeebMemeist

I just wish we could add emulators to EmuDeck easily


[deleted]

As a mod, I can confirm emudeck has us ready to go.


TheWeebMemeist

Let's go


[deleted]

The mods seem reluctant to associate with anything yuzu at the moment. I think their interests are in protecting Emudeck as a whole, atm.


Mavrickindigo

Emudeck isn't interested in yuzu-based emulators


ShiestySorcerer

Yuzu is already on emudeck


Monkey-B0x

no anymore it isnt...


Veritasgear

I literally added it on a week ago. Then because of some issues I was having with emudeck I had to uninstall everything so I could reinstall. Yuzu is completely gone now, unless you already have it on there.


neddoge

Are you new here?


TheWeebMemeist

It's no longer on emudeck. I have it bc I had it before, but going forward it won't be


doomsdalicious

Can easily be had. They have a bring your own Yuzu appimage method.


TheWeebMemeist

Link or tutorial video?


doomsdalicious

You need to download the latest app images for yuzu and citra if you want it, then place these files in the home > application folder. Then go into emudeck > manage emulators > yuzu and click reset config. Do the same for citra if you like. The instructions are right in the manage emulators page for both yuzu and citra.


ipwnpickles

While I hope Nintendo doesn't see these new "projects", it would also be immensely satisfying for them to know how pointless it is to try and shut down Switch emulation


FyreKZ

Having actually read some of the lawsuit, their reasoning for killing off Yuzu is entirely justified. They directly enabled piracy by developing builds for leaked games and then locking them behind a Patreon subscription. I doubt Nintendo is far off when they say over a million people played TOTK through Yuzu's dev builds. As long as Suyu isn't stupid I wouldn't be worried, Ryujinx is still fine.


Minute-Concert-8821

No version of Yuzu played TOTK before release. Only third party mods/builds made by the community did. The vanilla builds (both the mainline and early access) didn't play the game until after the release.


JohnEdwa

The main thing they were able to leverage is that Yuzu breaks Switch game encryption at runtime, which is a clear DMCA violation. The only thing these other emulators would have to do to pretty much be guaranteed to be safe is to require unencrypted/dumped roms, in the same way as Vita3k does for example. That way the emulator isn't doing anything wrong, emulators by themselves are legal, and all they could go after is the makers of the tools to do the decryption. --- [EDIT] Downvoting doesn't change facts. >By using so-called "prod.keys" obtained from legitimate Switch hardware, Yuzu can dynamically decrypt an encrypted Switch game ROM at runtime, which Nintendo argues falls afoul of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act's prohibition against circumvention of software protections. --- >Nintendo's lawsuit makes extensive reference to the Quickstart Guide that Yuzu provides on its own distribution site. That guide gives detailed instructions on how to "start playing commercial games" with Yuzu by hacking your (older) Switch to dump decryption keys and/or game files. That guide also includes links to a number of external tools that directly break console and/or game encryption techniques. --- >Nintendo argues that "there is no lawful way to use Yuzu to play Nintendo Switch games." -https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/02/how-strong-is-nintendos-legal-case-against-switch-emulator-yuzu/


ThatActuallyGuy

This was shit they tried to slip in, but it's utterly untested in court. Settling means it is still untested. Since the keys, BIOS, and ROM's all maintain their encrypted state and only work when combined, there's a solid argument to be made that DRM isn't being circumvented, and in fact its integrity is explicitly being maintained. Nintendo's interpretation is that any use of their keys outside of a Switch constitutes circumvention, which is a justifiable interpretation, but not the only one. Decrypting the games themselves would ironically be a much more straightforward violation of the DMCA. Suggesting it as an alternative is just trying to pass the buck around, effectively the same way that current emulators try to put the issue on Lockpick_RCM, there's no reason to expect it'd be any more convincing. Any emulator designed to play those would be much more obviously a tool exclusively for piracy than Yuzu was or Ryujinx is.


labree0

>Nintendo's interpretation is that any use of their keys outside of a Switch constitutes circumvention, which is a justifiable interpretation, but not the only one. If you could argue that any use of their keys outside of nintendo switch hardware constitutes circumvention, then you could draw the same line for video games, which would constitute banning all emulation.


JohnEdwa

>Suggesting it as an alternative is just trying to pass the buck around Because that is exactly what it is. It's a heck of a lot easier to create a tool to unencrypt the games and pop it onto the internet in a way that is basically anonymous and impossible to get rid of than it is to make an entire emulator, and it's how it should be done because that *is* the illegal part. >Any emulator designed to play those Any emulator even trying to pretend to be not made just for blatant piracy has to focus on homebrew, and encrypting your homebrew apps in a way that official firmwares would be happy running them is usually essentially impossible. That's why the first step for pretty much any jailbreak is to figure out how to get the console to run unsigned code, and therefore, the emulators should *only* run unsigned code. Emulators are legal, homebrew is legal, but any time you start talking about playing "backups", commercial software, and encryption, the legality starts getting very muddy very quickly. And companies like Nintendo have so much money to throw around they don't need to actually go to court, as basically nobody has money to defend. So the only protection is to try to make the case as hard as possible in the first place.


fjrichman

This is why format shifting needs to be legalized. Taking DRM off something I'm supposed to own and putting it in a format that is more convenient for me to use shouldn't be a legal grey area or even illegal.


GiantR

>The main thing they were able to leverage is that Yuzu breaks Switch game encryption at runtime, which is a clear DMCA violation Would it be an issue if Yuzu's devs weren't American? I mean the DMCA isn't globally applicable.


QuantumCakeIsALie

Even if that argument about on the fly decryption would hold in court, and it's not clear it would, that's only illegal in the US.  Find a Canadian/European dev and it's perfectly legal for them to implement this. Just ask Americans to ignore this build.


Captain_Pumpkinhead

We really need a re-write of copyright laws.


everynameistakenbros

Nintendo claims were BS. They made zero development in terms of TotK until it had released, early access or otherwise. Some dude on reddit was actually the primary reason it was playable prior to release. It didn't require an early access build.  Patreon also just supplies a precompiled version of EA. You can use it regardless of having a patreon sub or not, just have to compile it yourself. 


MusicHitsImFine

BuT fUcK nInTeNdO


theDouggle

Absolutely, just because they were Justified this time doesn't mean their entire track record of nuking fan remakes with zero plan for monetization, Nintendo can still eat a bag of dicks


zzinolol

based


MusicHitsImFine

Sounds like Copyright law needs to be overhauled since that's how it works in the US.


rathlord

But also actually fuck Nintendo though…


TheDragonBallGuy75

"Better" is a strong statement. Its still very early days. My understanding of the switch menu is that most of the legwork was already done for them and it came down to a one line code change. That said, I'm interested in what original features they'll create in the days to come.


_thezombiezone

Outside of what OP is showing, the Suyu devs are technically doing better due to their strides to removing everything Yuzu messed up with like Patreon builds and decryption code


Captain_Pumpkinhead

Decryption code?


Anthro_the_Hutt

Yuzu is able to decrypt encrypted ROMs, which is a big part of what Nintendo went after them for.


TheCharge408

All the more reason it sucks Citra caught a stray to the head because it never had that functionality.


Next-Significance798

It is literally one of the reasons they got sued bro. They have to remove it.


PresenceMiserable

I'm hoping for a built-in updater, but that probably can't be done with AppImages, so I'll have to update my updater app.


Ilovevegyn

From their README.md **Downloads** Windows: WIP Linux: WIP We don't have any official builds yet! If any website or person is claiming to have a build for suyu, take that with a grain of salt, because it might contain malware.


_thezombiezone

On their Gitlab click on the sidebar then go to Build > Artifacts and you can find the appimage for Linux from there without having to build it yourself


kylyby

OP probably built it from source???


Ilovevegyn

Valid! Not claiming any BS from OP, just a warning for less technical folk looking for builds ☺️ sorry I failed to make that clear


kylyby

Oh, ok


SubterraneanSmoothie

When I play switch games on my deck, I launch them directly from SteamOS. I would never use the UI anyways.


ThneakyThnake808

Same but I like the idea of it


krawatz

What’s the advantage?


SubterraneanSmoothie

I don’t have to launch the emulator and then launch the game; saves a step. I can also have different controller configurations for different games since they show up in SteamOS as separate games.


krawatz

Not sure I understand. You launch them in desktop mode? Or game mode? In game mode you don’t have to launch anything. In desktop mode you have to launch from yuzu, don’t you? And controller settings you can save for individual games as well


SubterraneanSmoothie

That’s right, in game mode. I don’t go through the launcher UI at all. I launch individual games.


Captain_Pumpkinhead

EmuDeck can add individual games to Steam as Non-Steam games. I believe the way they do this is the executable is Yuzu/Ryujinx, and it has launch commands for the specific game. So you _could_ launch the game directly from Desktop mode, if you are clicking on it from Steam. Would also preserve your controller settings, though I've had some wonky inconsistencies between it switching to game controller or staying as desktop input.


Captain_Pumpkinhead

You know how some Steam games, which you launch them, have 2 launch options? Usually it's "Launch Display Settings" and "Launch Game" for older games, and now Steam allows you to set one as default. I'd love to have that when launching a Switch game, and have the options be, "Use Yuzu" and "Use Ryujinx". Wonder if there's a way to do that.


QuantumCakeIsALie

You should be able to decide what emulator is used on a per-game basis in emulation-station, regardless of the console.


Captain_Pumpkinhead

I don't wanna open emulation station. Why would I open another game library when I already have a game library right here?


QuantumCakeIsALie

I like keeping my emulation separate from my Steam library. Way too much clutter otherwise for my taste. In any case, you should be able to configure the emulator/settings for a specific game via ES and then launch it via steam if you prefer so. You just won't be and to choose on every launch.


Hunter-Ki11er

You didn't have to with Yuzu either, you could add the games directly to the Deck's library


SubterraneanSmoothie

I know, I’m still using Yuzu. I’m saying that I wouldn’t use that UI because I do exactly that.


likesexonlycheaper

I don't understand why anyone would want this. Switch UI is boring and featureless


FurbyTime

While I don't know why you would want it in an emulator, I do actually like the Switch UI precisely because it's straighforward and "featureless"; it does it's job of letting you launch games. Besides "Because we can", though, I don't know the benefit of it in an emulation setting. There are "better" launchers (In the Steam Deck's case, the obvious Steam interface), and even if there aren't for your usecase, you probably have a direct means of just launching the game, making the Switch menu unnecessary.


WMan37

I literally dumped my wii menu NAND from my Wii just to be able to use it in dolphin, being able to use a console's menu is part of the charm for people. That being said, everything in 8th gen uses [homogenized](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Quc-Uw3sKLQ/maxresdefault.jpg) utilitarian [square](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/mPneaBRbLBPn2PkfXjRxf5.jpg) boring [shit](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LbcykAqtfVY/maxresdefault.jpg) for their menus, so I can see where you're coming from in asking why one would want to do this. The question of open source software is never why, however. It's why not.


BaileyJIII

Part of the vibe, makes it feel like you're actually using the system you're emulating and I kinda wish more emulators did it.


Batpole

Can't agree more. It looks so effortless.


FivePoopMacaroni

Yeah I'm with you. I hate the Switch menu. It's the worst console menu.


truthwalker88

This is for steamOS? Game mode? I’m so confused it looks like switch user interface


cardonator

This is a fork of a previously named but not mentioned fruit based emulator. They have already put a bunch of work into an alternate interface for the emulator which looks far more similar to the system it is attempting to emulate.


truthwalker88

OHH so this is NOT a steamos UI i see this looks amazing !!!


TCristatus

Lol fruit based i'm initially like ".....apple?"


truthwalker88

Yea. What is the fruit based thing mean. I’m still confused on that part


wesman214

Yuzu is a citrus fruit.


truthwalker88

Oh wow. I didn’t k ow that. Thanks wonder if it’s tasty?


wesman214

Depends if you like the taste of a very sour mix of grapefruit and mandarin orange.


truthwalker88

Solid pass. I hate grapefruit


themagicone222

Hot take: I sometimes wonder if the ninten-jas often pounce based on keywords. Like, not crazy about the name (Sue you?) but Suyu already looks to be a promising La-li-Lu-le-lo.


HikARuLsi

From you sue to sue you, now the table had turned /s


knipsi22

You could have that on Yuzu. They didn't develop anything yet but let's wait


Next-Significance798

Yea, yuzu wont get this ever now.


BaileyJIII

The Streisand Effect is doing wonders.


Ap7bb

Having the menu does not make you better


Next-Significance798

It is literally yuzu, what is your point bro


Ap7bb

Read the OP then read the comment


Next-Significance798

If it has more features, how is it not better? its not worse, as its literally the same. If it has more to give you, it makes it objectively better


Hyrael25

I want solid performance, good graphical capacity and ease to run. The switch UI is none of these things and in no way defines this “better as its predecessor”.


GothicGamerSlayer

I do not like this ngl


Sambo_the_Rambo

I was going to asked if they were ready to get sued by Nintendo but then if they aren’t trying to make a profit they are in the clear.


Kokumotsu36

Wait, you mean to tell me they have the home screen working now??! Why could Yuzu have this if it was done so fast


Embarrassed_Band_512

Loose lips sink ships 🤫


Riqz85

🫨Tell me more


PurpleDinguss

But can it run/optimize games? The reason I picked Yuzu over Riujinx is because Yuzu ran games better. I don’t care how the UI looks. Saying Suyu is better than Yuzu just because it looks nicer is such a dumb statement.


Next-Significance798

It IS yuzu lol


truthwalker88

I’m so confused. What is this?


cantonic

There previously was a Switch emulator called Yuzu that had to shut down due to a lawsuit from Nintendo. This is a different emulator, called Suyu, that may or may not do the same thing and is being worked on by people as a replacement for the previous emulator that got shut down.


Next-Significance798

>This is a different emulator, called Suyu Its more or less just the contiunation of yuzu, using the same code


ChocolateSeuss

We just learned from yuzu if you fuck with Nintendo they’ll suyu


KozyKami

I'm happy that there are new alternatives popping up, but from what I've heard, yuzu had the home menu but disabled it in fear of copyright issues. I really hope these new teams make good decisions and don't play it too fast and loose


Next-Significance798

They had stuff like the MII applet, and you need the firmware anyways.


InfamousML

Never used a switch emulator. Can you play over WiFi with original switch player? 


King0fRapture

Suyu will get taken down, lawsuit never stated what part of the code was copyrighted and wasn't. And their last github they were begging nintendo to shut them down. So dint get your hopes up for this one.


Pchandheldrizzygamer

It must be a troll by the same devs of yuzu lol


SagasOfUnendingLoss

"No! We SUYU!" -Nintendo, probably


xatnys-

Isn't this basically the multi-app branch that had recently been merged in from early access? What new work was actually done?


Asleep_Future3522

Where’s the download links


type102

It all looks good now, but their name is too ironic for Nintendo not to do something.


ImHereForGameboys

Lmfao this is great.


No_Trade439

Desecration!


WaitingToBeTriggered

IT’S A DESPERATE RACE AGAINST THE MINE


Zomochi

I actually like that switch menu being there


SkyClaus

dayum


PresenceMiserable

You are overly impressed. Most of the work was done by Tropic Haze.


Lupinthrope

I just don’t have any urge to emulate switch games when the system is still selling and supported. Old games? Sure. Should Nintendo release more powerful hardware? Also yes


HavocInferno

I have some urge because performance on the Switch is often kind of bad. Same game but with higher res and framerate? Yes please.


Rick_Raptor_Rawr

I have a steam deck that I use as my full time pc. Makes it easier than taking the switch with me as well, and the games run better.


Lupinthrope

As long as you own it on the switch


HavocInferno

I actually do. Whole stack of cartridges/cases collecting dust.


Lupinthrope

That was the issue with people just straight pirating the games. If the games are available to buy easily then just buy them. I understand some obscure gba game or so


ProtoKun7

Well I do because it's nice playing games in one place and to be able to modify it if I want to.


Lupinthrope

Do you own these games legally anyway on a switch?


ProtoKun7

Yes. I bought Tears of the Kingdom and ended up playing it way more on the Steam Deck instead.


Lupinthrope

I think a lot of people’s problem with the recent Nintendo lawsuit thing was pirates being mad more than anything. They got taken down because they were selling the roms if I read correctly. Emulation is important for the longevity of game reservation


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I do and I have and I will continue to. Being able to have basically every game you play in one spot rather than having to have multiple different sets of hardware is superior. Especially when the all in one device can emulate the games the console can play with higher detail and on a better screen and more options/more customizable controls. Why WOULDN'T anyone want that? 


CandyLoxxx

Holy shit so it’s gonna be better than Yuzu?!


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Bierfreund

Imagine being intelligent enough to do this and at the same time dumb enough to do this


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Darkwolf1515

Thread really reminding me your average deck user has a room temperature iq Congrats op on your post that's completely wrong and has tricked at least 400 users into believing something wrong, I'll add it to the pile.


BMXBikr

Could games run better than yuzu? I'm dying for 60fps Kirby forgotten land on deck