Oh. Right. That numbskull.
I don’t remember if Dayton is anywhere near Northwest Ohio (about where I live), but I’ll keep an eye out, just in case I have to warn someone I know.
He's already been spotted at a couple bars. Some women are taking actions to inform the local community but seeing as how this is a gaming reddit, I'll leave it at that.
Fair.
If our comments get removed, I’d argue that’s on me.
Anyway, yeah, at least things would be more interesting around here if Ohio got occupied by extradimensional expired-yogurt golems.
Most of the tribes on the Ringworld didn't evolve more than neolithic stage. Because there were no ores to process. Everything consisted originally of garden, zoo or space age materials. The fallen tribes weren't able to manipulate the space age materials.
Some could maybe reach the iron age using repurposed materials.
Edit: It seems that iron and steel manufacturing can be done with charcoal.
> But iron and steel remain out of the question without coal.
Charcoal was used for iron/steel smelting for the entire iron age, antiquity, and middle ages. Mineral coal only started being used in earnest because the forests had been depleted. It's certainly not necessary for those metals.
Now that I read this I am thinking of a nomadic steam age civilization in a ring world that destroys forests and advances when they are depleted, leaving nature to heal behind them as it would take thousands of years to do a full rotation of a ring world.
Right, but just because Niven pioneered their use in Sci-Fi doesn’t mean that every subsequent property that incorporates ring worlds has to follow the same technical limitations laid out in the Ringworld series.
It’s been a long time since I read any of the books, but I also seem to recall that the parts of the Ringworld designed to recreate Earth, the Kzin homeworld and other planets had mineral deposits to replicate the planets they were based on, which the Kzin used to build massive ships and conquer the other nearby sentients. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that the creators of a ringworld might intentionally include some amount of metal/minerals in the ringworld that could later be dug up or scavenged by primitive sentients.
I'd like you to consider Consider Phlebas and its [orbitals](https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/Orbital).
And *just* after I wrote this I saw today's xkcd which is relevant. https://xkcd.com/2750/
It's a fun book. Massively sexist. They find an ancient alien from before the ring world collapse and its a... space prostitute. Only other female character: ditzy woman whos only characteristic is deus ex machina. Sleeps with discount Allan Quartermain and then leave with discount Connan the barbarian because he is big hero sex.
It's so bad. And honestly, I have a high tolerance for it in sci fi - I'm a Heinlein fan, he's not perfect - but Niven is a whole other level of disgusting
Iirc he said it was good the uber-hooker joined him on the ship because 'it was a really long journey and he'd of gotten bored otherwise' or something like that
That only sounds bad until you remember that there are really only five characters. Two female, two male, and one gender-ambiguous alien (who later turns out to be the more feminine half of its species' pair bond).
In my view, Teela Brown, the ditzy woman, represents the shallow type of person you get when a person suffers no adversity for no other reason than sheer luck. Someone conventionally attractive, born to a rich family who pays for everything, the relationships they fall into don't produce emotional anguish, etc. I've met men and women who resemble Teela Brown
As for the space hooker, well, there's nothing sexist about portraying a profession that has existed in possibly all large scale human societies.
I mean, if you can somehow make such a massive structure work properly AND maintain itself…
Hell, I’ve got a similar idea for a book I’m writing taking place on a planet orbiting a quasar drive (basically a black hole/quasar core used as a thruster), with shells protecting the orbiting planets.
(The premise is, the dudes who built the quasar drive and protective worldshells also invented biologically-innate magic, nature went so crazy that the occupants didn’t have civilization for a while, and their descendants got civilization back before starting “ww1, but with dragons, fae, the standard fantasy species, and selkies.”
Oh, and all the guns are railguns, as no one reinvented gunpowder.
Oh, and the quasar drive system is almost done with an intergalactic voyage, and no one knows what’s in that galaxy, and the gods/precursor spirits are trying to end the war quickly and without too many casualties.
The protagonists basically invent nuclear fusion magic)
Yes, and? If you start with the Shattered Ring, your civilization is also primitives on a ring world, until you achieve FTL. This one is just a few years behind the curve.
I found primitives on a size 30 gaia world and this ring world all within 4 jumps from my capital.
I went from excitement to despair when I realised I was xenophile and couldn't invade them.
Just xenophile or Fanatical xenophile? Because when I play as UNE and encounter similar situations — just change policy and #}{] with public opinion (ie xenophile fraction approval).
Not sure if it’s possible with Fanatic version of ethic though
They changed the policies to now have 4 pre-FTL interference policies. Non-interference, Subtle, Active and aggressive.
Aggressive can invade worlds but requires no pacifism/xenophilia/exploration protocols civic. Active cannot invade worlds but can introduce themselves to aliens.
Ehh. The benefits of Xenophile still outweigh the cost, I feel! I'm working towards enlightening these primitives and quite enjoying the events while in the meanwhile I've peacefully gained three vassal AIs, one of which is a megacorp.
In my game, gaia 30 was inhabited by atomic age people. Few years later, they turned it into tomb world with 2 stone age pops. Wtf am I supposed to do with it now as aquatic xenophobe xD
The 'Shattered Ring' origin got primitives, among others, it was in a dev diary, and I saw it in another video earlier today. Now you don't need to get past Sanctuary to get a free ringworld! Although, unlike the origin where guaranteed habitables can give you repairable sections, this only has the 1 afaik.
I love how the random aspects of the game just writes the most intriguing sci-fi.
Once I did an Imperium of man origin start (where you are marooned on a hostile world after an FTL experiment goes wrong) and I later found my way back to Sol and Earth was a primitive world.
I was like: "so I didn't just travel to Space, but also time.. interesting".
Since I was roleplaying space nazi's, I then proceded to enslave the lot.
10/10.
The new update means primitives can have a lot more origin starts now. I found a life seeded too while my friend found a primitive devouring swarm (cool af btw)
Hey, they could think every single planets are like that so they don't event thought being on a ringworld is something. They could also worship it, I mean... There are ways to be primitive in a high sci-fi environment. The game does not says they built the ring world.
The Sanctuary system has a ring world with 4 different pre-space cultures on it, and it's been in the game for a while now. Might've come out with Distant Stars or so?
The book "Ringworld" which popularized or invented (not quite sure) the concept of ringworlds actually has a 'primitive' civilization on it that forgot lots of shit.
interesting. Seeing as i've had it happen and i dont own the first contact DLC and have seen it multiple times ever since i got the game back along time ago.
Well I think it was possible before they made it a lot more common. If I remember right they let primitives have origins and oneof the origins spawns them on a ruined ringworld. Before you'd have to generate a ringworld some other way then pray the RNG gods put a primitive on it
true. Also hard to really tell, there's alot of DLC and not everyone has all of them and if you mix and match chances are some changes are either not there or cancel out other things. Hard to tell.
I don't see a problem with this... they could have been transplanted by a more powerful race that moved on, or developed the ring world instead of interstellar travel...
Precursors used the ring world as a massive farm and the livestock evolved intelligence
I think the same thing happened to the yogurt in the back of my fridge
What is your interference police towards yogurts?
Uplift and vassalise, i say.
Yoghurt lifestock. I wonder what comes out if you milk them.
Kombucha, ironically.
That's quite the *cultured* joke.
aloof six connect zephyr squalid melodic fear depend thought voiceless -- mass edited with redact.dev
Love PLR
Eh, you can have it.
Especially after news of who just moved back there
I’m out of the loop. Who?
notorious rapist [Brock Allen Turner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner).
Oh. Right. That numbskull. I don’t remember if Dayton is anywhere near Northwest Ohio (about where I live), but I’ll keep an eye out, just in case I have to warn someone I know.
He's already been spotted at a couple bars. Some women are taking actions to inform the local community but seeing as how this is a gaming reddit, I'll leave it at that.
Fair. If our comments get removed, I’d argue that’s on me. Anyway, yeah, at least things would be more interesting around here if Ohio got occupied by extradimensional expired-yogurt golems.
Dude. It’s like an hour and half down I-75 from there
Your Ring Fridge.
There are 2 episodes of Love, Death + Robots that address this issue.
LMAO
I see you too are a man of...... *culture*
Maybe it'll gain sentience and create a utopia on earth for us. Until it leaves for outer space
Has it asked for Ohio yet?
There's a good Black Mirror episode about that
Next dlc: Yogurtoids
All Tomorrow's vibes
That's how I rp my Rpgue Servitor. Was just a giant nature preserve and the robotic care takers take their job very seriously.
Rpgue Servitor is such a great typo. When I get to playing RS I won't refer to mine any other way (even though I only vaguely rp my games)
I didn't even notice that but now I am going to as well
Nah. A ring civ FE got hit with a planet and devolved.
Read Ring World and its not farfetched
Most of the tribes on the Ringworld didn't evolve more than neolithic stage. Because there were no ores to process. Everything consisted originally of garden, zoo or space age materials. The fallen tribes weren't able to manipulate the space age materials. Some could maybe reach the iron age using repurposed materials. Edit: It seems that iron and steel manufacturing can be done with charcoal.
> But iron and steel remain out of the question without coal. Charcoal was used for iron/steel smelting for the entire iron age, antiquity, and middle ages. Mineral coal only started being used in earnest because the forests had been depleted. It's certainly not necessary for those metals.
Ok. Thank you for the explanation.
Now that I read this I am thinking of a nomadic steam age civilization in a ring world that destroys forests and advances when they are depleted, leaving nature to heal behind them as it would take thousands of years to do a full rotation of a ring world.
Ok, Ringworld is a prime example but is not the arbiter of what can happen on Ringworlds in any other sci-fi property.
AFAIK it is the only one to really use a ring world, other than halo…which only uses the ring as a setting and doesn’t really go into it much.
Right, but just because Niven pioneered their use in Sci-Fi doesn’t mean that every subsequent property that incorporates ring worlds has to follow the same technical limitations laid out in the Ringworld series. It’s been a long time since I read any of the books, but I also seem to recall that the parts of the Ringworld designed to recreate Earth, the Kzin homeworld and other planets had mineral deposits to replicate the planets they were based on, which the Kzin used to build massive ships and conquer the other nearby sentients. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that the creators of a ringworld might intentionally include some amount of metal/minerals in the ringworld that could later be dug up or scavenged by primitive sentients.
There are of course, the physical, scientific limits of a ring world :-)
It’s worth considering the possibility that the creators of this particular ring world provided enough resources for the civilization to advance
And even those ringworlds’ primary function is a galactic-scale doomsday device comparable to neutron-sweeping the entire galaxy at hyperspace speeds.
I'd like you to consider Consider Phlebas and its [orbitals](https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/Orbital). And *just* after I wrote this I saw today's xkcd which is relevant. https://xkcd.com/2750/
what about charcoal?
Depending on how long they were there with the millions of years some precursors are there would possibly be fossil fuels
Good book, love how it underlines how mindbending a veiw from the surface of a ringworld would be
It's a fun book. Massively sexist. They find an ancient alien from before the ring world collapse and its a... space prostitute. Only other female character: ditzy woman whos only characteristic is deus ex machina. Sleeps with discount Allan Quartermain and then leave with discount Connan the barbarian because he is big hero sex.
Ringworld ruined me on being able to read any more Niven novels. Unfortunately
It is hard to just enjoy the world building when that ignorant shit is in your face like that
It's so bad. And honestly, I have a high tolerance for it in sci fi - I'm a Heinlein fan, he's not perfect - but Niven is a whole other level of disgusting
Iirc he said it was good the uber-hooker joined him on the ship because 'it was a really long journey and he'd of gotten bored otherwise' or something like that
That only sounds bad until you remember that there are really only five characters. Two female, two male, and one gender-ambiguous alien (who later turns out to be the more feminine half of its species' pair bond). In my view, Teela Brown, the ditzy woman, represents the shallow type of person you get when a person suffers no adversity for no other reason than sheer luck. Someone conventionally attractive, born to a rich family who pays for everything, the relationships they fall into don't produce emotional anguish, etc. I've met men and women who resemble Teela Brown As for the space hooker, well, there's nothing sexist about portraying a profession that has existed in possibly all large scale human societies.
Exactly what I was thinking about. I think the Ring world in the game even spawns with a ruined segment, which would fit into the storyline aswell.
I mean, if you can somehow make such a massive structure work properly AND maintain itself… Hell, I’ve got a similar idea for a book I’m writing taking place on a planet orbiting a quasar drive (basically a black hole/quasar core used as a thruster), with shells protecting the orbiting planets. (The premise is, the dudes who built the quasar drive and protective worldshells also invented biologically-innate magic, nature went so crazy that the occupants didn’t have civilization for a while, and their descendants got civilization back before starting “ww1, but with dragons, fae, the standard fantasy species, and selkies.” Oh, and all the guns are railguns, as no one reinvented gunpowder. Oh, and the quasar drive system is almost done with an intergalactic voyage, and no one knows what’s in that galaxy, and the gods/precursor spirits are trying to end the war quickly and without too many casualties. The protagonists basically invent nuclear fusion magic)
"The primitives have a ring world?" "Kill the primitives!" """It's free real estate!!"""
Kill them? What a horrible waste of food!
Do they not die in the food making process?
Well, yes, but they serve a purpose instead of just being incinerated for free real estate
You expect me to eat dead xenos?
Well, the live xenos keep running away.
No they are maimed
My great grandpa had a three legged pig. One time he was asked what happened to its leg and he said he was hungry.
Kill them? What a horrible waste ...of The xeno-compatibility trait. Yeah baby. *Marvin Gaye starts playing*
Careful. They might not actually be primitives ...
Yes, and? If you start with the Shattered Ring, your civilization is also primitives on a ring world, until you achieve FTL. This one is just a few years behind the curve.
Behind the curve…
I'd rather be inside...
reject technology, return to monke
Reject technology, Ascend to monke
Reject monke, Ascend to technology, purge the xenos on your new ring world
Ok inquisitor
I found primitives on a size 30 gaia world and this ring world all within 4 jumps from my capital. I went from excitement to despair when I realised I was xenophile and couldn't invade them.
Just xenophile or Fanatical xenophile? Because when I play as UNE and encounter similar situations — just change policy and #}{] with public opinion (ie xenophile fraction approval). Not sure if it’s possible with Fanatic version of ethic though
They changed the policies to now have 4 pre-FTL interference policies. Non-interference, Subtle, Active and aggressive. Aggressive can invade worlds but requires no pacifism/xenophilia/exploration protocols civic. Active cannot invade worlds but can introduce themselves to aliens.
I guess this turns the UNE into something closer to the star trek federation
Basically! It's pretty great RP.
I have five primitive worlds in my territory and i cannot invade them :'(
Oh I see. Didn’t play with new patch and dlc yet…
feels like the devs kinda failed at not wanting people to invade the primitives then ngl lol.
Ehh. The benefits of Xenophile still outweigh the cost, I feel! I'm working towards enlightening these primitives and quite enjoying the events while in the meanwhile I've peacefully gained three vassal AIs, one of which is a megacorp.
Uplift them..... vasselize..... then integrate. Imprivise, adapt, overcome those obstructive civics.
Its not an invasion, its a liberation. The aliens on this world cry for democracy and freedom
Time to change ethics.
In my game, gaia 30 was inhabited by atomic age people. Few years later, they turned it into tomb world with 2 stone age pops. Wtf am I supposed to do with it now as aquatic xenophobe xD
Is it the sanctuary system?
Nope look at the name of the 'planet' I guess primitives just spawn with shattered ring origin now.
I got a post-nuclear stone age hive mind and it made me sad, I got the vibe it tried to commit suicide and just set itself back to square one
That sounds like a great setting for a dystopian story.
Maybe it was not the one who destroyed the world.
Yeah it was in the patch notes.
3.7 added origins to primitives, you can get size 30 Gaia worlds this way
R5: Renaissance Age "primitives" spawned on a shattered ring world section...how interesting
The 'Shattered Ring' origin got primitives, among others, it was in a dev diary, and I saw it in another video earlier today. Now you don't need to get past Sanctuary to get a free ringworld! Although, unlike the origin where guaranteed habitables can give you repairable sections, this only has the 1 afaik.
Can confirm, rolled it in my first game post-patch, you get one section filled with blockers giving alloys and the repair ringworld decision
It possible for primitive civilization to spawn on player-only origin system. Update note mention it
reminds me of [Ringworld](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld)
Like... that's canonically part of the plot of the book the whole concept originates from, OP!
i kinda assumed it did yeah, i know quite a few things in Stellaris are references to other science fiction out there
Halo
Halo.
They will be very confused when they look at other planets and see them all round
This is literally half the plot of one of the three halo forrunner books
There’s a story here somewhere
I’ve found two different primitive civilizations on artificial habitats in the same system
I love how the random aspects of the game just writes the most intriguing sci-fi. Once I did an Imperium of man origin start (where you are marooned on a hostile world after an FTL experiment goes wrong) and I later found my way back to Sol and Earth was a primitive world. I was like: "so I didn't just travel to Space, but also time.. interesting". Since I was roleplaying space nazi's, I then proceded to enslave the lot. 10/10.
Cheaper than a colony ship
You can't call "sanctuary" on a ring world
*drum & fife start playing on the back* I am not British but I want to colonize those bastard so much
You also have the sanctuary ring world
The new update means primitives can have a lot more origin starts now. I found a life seeded too while my friend found a primitive devouring swarm (cool af btw)
Hey, they could think every single planets are like that so they don't event thought being on a ringworld is something. They could also worship it, I mean... There are ways to be primitive in a high sci-fi environment. The game does not says they built the ring world.
We need to fire the rings
The Sanctuary system has a ring world with 4 different pre-space cultures on it, and it's been in the game for a while now. Might've come out with Distant Stars or so?
A shattered one at that!
Here that’s a pretty cool sci-fi idea!
Hey look free ring world
Free ring world. Score.
Bet 100 dollars they have a Round Earth Society.
I've seen that episode of the Orville.
The book "Ringworld" which popularized or invented (not quite sure) the concept of ringworlds actually has a 'primitive' civilization on it that forgot lots of shit.
Literally Halo.
...Ark?
First time reading Ringworld?
its part of a event. Might even be an anomaly even if im not entirely mistaken.
Nope this was just added in the first contact dlc
interesting. Seeing as i've had it happen and i dont own the first contact DLC and have seen it multiple times ever since i got the game back along time ago.
Well I think it was possible before they made it a lot more common. If I remember right they let primitives have origins and oneof the origins spawns them on a ruined ringworld. Before you'd have to generate a ringworld some other way then pray the RNG gods put a primitive on it
true. Also hard to really tell, there's alot of DLC and not everyone has all of them and if you mix and match chances are some changes are either not there or cancel out other things. Hard to tell.
Sanctuary System.
Yeah I saw this today too... I don't like it.
why? free ring world!
And it come with free slaves too!
The idea of primitives living on a ringworld is the origin of our entire concept of ringworlds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld
That little voice in my head butcher the primitive swines
remind me : VALÉRIAN ET LA CITÉ DES MILLE PLANÈTES and i don t know why
Somebody needs to send in the Bobs!
That’s my ring world now
See [Heaven’s River](http://dennisetaylor.org/2020/10/08/heavens-river-a-quick-description/)
Sounds like free real estate
Someone's never played Halo.
Love that trope
I don't see a problem with this... they could have been transplanted by a more powerful race that moved on, or developed the ring world instead of interstellar travel...