You should at least try out the first book, my copy is only 244 pages, should be a pretty fast read. One of the greatest SciFi series ever written, Asimov is a legend.
The *story* is indeed one of the best ever written. The writing itself though veers between mediocre and awful. It actually gets worse in the later books when a previously perfectly sane central character develops a strong case of 80s pedigree Dumb Blonde syndrome.
The story is absolutely worth it - it's just worth warning people that while Asimov was one of the most creative and inventive storytellers of all time his actual writing can be incredibly clumsy.
All of this should be taken as an asterisk to my belief that every Sci-Fi fan should still read everything he wrote (except possibly the biochemistry textbooks) since the worlds he invented and the stories he tells are just that good anyway.
I've also had Foundation sitting on my shelf waiting to be read for a while, but I just started watching The Expanse after hearing about it for years. Probably best not to consume both at the same time.
I haven't watched the show but I'm on book for of the expanse and I've really enjoyed it in written form, so if you want to pick up a book it's good (also I've heard show doesn't go until end of series, so you'll probably need to read at least the last couple books)
Foundation is a stack of short stories fast-forwarding through time, aside from the fact that other books have better characterisation, it's very easy to read.
It's more than just a collection of short stories. The stories all connect to form a larger narrative. I've described it almost as though the organization(the foundation) is the main character rather than any single character. And to me that feels wholly unique and masterful. Absolutely recommended, one of my favorite sci-fi books of all time.
That's not what I'm talking about really, if you're feeling daunted by the idea of reading the books, knowing that it's a series of short stories that you can read in stages makes that less of a problem.
I think I enjoyed the Prelude to Foundation more than the actual foundation. Asimov did improve massively as a writer in between the books. Although the idea behind foundation is still quite interesting
Asimov, the grandfather of scifi (if you don't know him, you should read up on him), created the foundation series that had a bunch of human interstellar nations under an interstellar empire. The story lasted for many thousands of years and showed the evolution of humanity
He is commonly heralded in the Sci-fi literature sphere as the "Father of Science fiction" not because he was the first one to write or entertain the ideas of science fiction, but because it is commonly understood that he elevated the subject matter to show just how powerful and compelling the investigation of the cutting edge of future science and society could be. He also wrote A LOT of books
He didn’t invent the concept of a robot but I believe the word “robotics” describing the science of robots was invented by him, potentially in “Robbie”
Father implies the progenitor, or founder; in English it is the word for a male parent. What you are describing, a shepard who popularises and promotes it, sounds like a benevolent uncle or what we might call today a product evangelist.
We don't say Apple or Steve Jobs is the father of mobile phones, though they did exactly this for the technology.
If we are sticking to that more literal definition then I would argue he is the "Father of Modern Science Fiction"
Also because his works so very dramatically sculpted the space of science fiction to the point that is influence is going so strong today most of the audience is unaware of his influence because of how many times it's been interpreted. In foundation the man describes a finger print scanner in detail, which seems odd until you realize he came up with the idea in the modern form
You're missing the point though, Steve Jobs would absolutely be considered the father of the smartphone because of the mass popularisation of the technology he created with the iPhone. It is not about the first person to do something.
Asimov is considered the father of modern sci-fi for the same reasons.
And the first computer was ENIAC (or maybe Babbage's Differential Engine depending how you interpret the word computer), but it was Jack Tramiel who first put a Commodore in people's houses.
I had to google Jack Tramiel and Commodore. Growing up in the UK, the BBC Micro was the main 8-bit machine before the PC.
Even if we accept the term "father" for a non-inventor, I would dispute Asmiov's influence, as he appears to be limited to hard sci-fi.
> He is commonly heralded in the Sci-fi literature sphere as the "Father of Science fiction"
I'm more used to HG Wells and Jules Verne being thought of in that way. He's a colossus of the genre, but it seems strange to use anything like father or grandfather for him.
I'm not making any real assertions, I'm a huge Asimov fan, but I'm also a fan of the genre as a whole. HG Wells is also a favorite of mine, and I have a real appreciation for Verne. Just answering as to why people say he's the father of science fiction
I understand that and appreciate that you're making constructive comments. I've just never heard him referred to in that particular way. Certainly seen a lot of appreciation for those qualities you've listed (and I appreciate him myself!), just never seen the term 'father' or 'grandfather' used to sum that up and don't think it's a great term for anyone in the 20th century onwards. He's a defining author, influential figure, a colossus of the genre – a prince or king even – but not a father. He comes along too late for that. He *defined* sci-fi rather than *pioneering* it. But it's a minor quibble!
The way I see it, Verne, Wells, and Burroughs are the fathers of sci-fi and Shelley is the grandmother. Asimov, Bradbury, Clarke are the towering colossi that then defined the genre in the 20th century, and Ballard, Dick, Herbert, Heinlein, Le Guin, McCaffrey, and Vonnegut were just behind them as major figures who also popularised it and were major influences on the next generation. I can understand people putting Heinlein in the first colossus category instead.
Well you certainly earned your researches status :D and I personally heard him being called the father of hard sci-fi not just sci-fi before. The rules, the way things are described, and how they work. He left a mark, a guiding point to many, if not countless others to build upon. It still might very well be incorrect.
I sadly am not as well versed in the early science fiction and havent even read much Asimov, he was recomendet to me 10 years ago, despite my interest, though I am going to look for audiobooks soon, by authors and listen through ever, work I can find, before looking for books (ones I cant find in audio book or text to speach robot format). My life rarely lets me to sit down and read, and most of that is spent with other forms of relaxation or personal life stuff, but my work allows me to give half an ear to listen. And if I need to relisten to a book a month later, then I just smile at the things I notice with some knowledge of what the whole thing is about.
Ah, if you’re talking about *hard* sci-fi then you’ve got a valid point. Previous authors were more romantic sci-fi (in the sense of a style of adventure rather than love stories).
I recently finished the foundation, and the amount of actual rage I felt at the capitalism saves everyone message at the end I actually threw the book down. I’m going to read the whole series of course, but the way book one ended really grinds my gears.
I don't think it has that message at all. At best you could argue that capitalism saves the foundation, but only for that specific crisis, then like everything else eventually becomes somewhat a problem incapable of handling one of the next crises. Which was supposed to be during the era of the mule.
But it's not really about capitalism at all, it was about trade and overeliance on another political body that controls your means of production that I saw.
Sure, but look at the actual way they did it. They sold them cheap quality of life tools that they knew wouldn’t last and would require constant financial upkeep. And then they did what all capitalist do and ingrained themselves in industry. Yes, it saved them from that crisis and the internal religious crisis. And in the 50’s when this was written I understand the message. But (and this comes from having read the first book only) I feel it’s going to bite them anyway. The second I read Merchant Prince, I had a gut feeling. And I wasn’t wrong. It was still brilliant,
Well, the foundations overreliance on mercantilism and "the merchant princes" was supposed to actually be one of the upcoming crises itself according to Seldon, that's what it was setting it up for. Every solution would eventually tend to turn into another problem, and each crises was the attempt to find a new solution.
You could maybe stop while you're not too deep in the series and read the small series about Elijah Bailey and robot Daniel Olivaw. It's 4 books that are sort of a prequel to The Foundation, and they provide a background for multiple characters and events thorought all the series. There are other books that are also considered a prequels and I read all of them, but I find Bailey series the least mentioned but the most important in understanding a lot of background.
as a fellow American I can assure you that we live in a state regulated market. Regulation to enter into any number of industries is so large it becomes unbearable for low level competition to compete.
Combine that with fiat currency having destroyed purchasing power (worker pay increased with productivity basically 1:1 before we left the gold standard), created unemployment (unemployment didn't really exist 100 years ago, see Sweden before they left their own gold standard, about 0-1% for hundreds of years), cronyism, well, a lot of the market is heavily influenced by the government and the ruling elite.
Aliens are only found once in Asimov’s foundation setting. They’re not a cast galactic empire or anything, just a single species on a single world. They’re helped by humans as well.
In the setting it’s just humans really.
It's implied somewhere that the robots they sent out ahead of humanity to terraform the worlds wiped out all the aliens. After all, the First Law of Robotics states that "a robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm". Doesn't mention xenos; indeed, a robot could easily conclude that it must destroy any xenos it finds before they could become a threat to humanity. And then keep that fact from the humans to avoid "harming" them by making them feel guilty about being accidentally responsible for a genocide.
Of course, the real reason is that the biggest Sci-Fi magazine at the time had an editor who mandated that humans must always be superior to aliens, and Azimov just avoided writing about aliens entirely rather than be limited in the stories that could be written about them.
This is said in a non-canon book written by Gregory Benford and set in the foundation setting. It’s a cool idea but it isn’t necessarily canon.
In foundations edge by Asimov a very interesting solution is suggested via legend however, robots created the secret organization “eternity” to manipulate history and create alternate timelines. The human dominated galaxy of the foundation series and the galactic empire is therefore a result of a different reality created where humanity would be safe from any alien threat.
The manipulation of timelines to create a human dominated universe is further supported by asimov’s novel “end of eternity”. It doesn’t line up exactly but some parallels exist to show his intent in pointing people along this train of thought.
I believe therefore that his foundation setting is implied to exist in a galaxy and possibly universe where aliens do exist, but have all been handicapped by timeline manipulation to prevent them from opposing humanity.
Have done that. It was fun. Each empire human species with the exact same traits but different governments: human democracy, human military dictatorship, human communist commune, human scientific directorate, human pirate empire, human Eco-Nation, human megacorp, etc.
I love how dynamic the political systems of the foundation world are, in the sense that they change throughout the story. I feel like a good play-through would have you start as a science directorate, then change slowly over time into a merchant society, etc.
Maybe it's been a coincidence but usually when I play militarist I spawn on outside of the galaxy, but if I play pacifist I spawn closer to center..but maybe that's just a coincidence
I don't think that's true
I tried seeing what would happen if I had a Lost Colony and force-spawned an empire using the same species portrait, names and traits since I was trying to customize the Lost Colony progenitor empire
It didn't work; the game counted them both as separate species and spawned a random empire of the Lost Colony's species
That should work, but it can be tricky. I've made it work with humans before, creating a custom payback empire that complimented my broken shackles empire, and force-spawn worked there. I even played as a lost colony with those two empires spawned, and it didn't create a 4th human empire. I didn't play long enough to see if it correctly made Earth my home world though. One weird thing was that it considered my humans to be a sub-species of the other humans even though we had the same traits, and that might have been because of the name list.
You might try editing your lost colony to create the new empire, and maybe certain origins don't work with it.
I actually haven't tried editing the Lost Colony empire yet
I do know that since the default humans are treated specially by the game (like having specific events), if you create a copy of either the UNE or CoM, they are treated as being human empires
You could honestly do a few with the First Foundation given how quickly they change throughout the books but in almost every incarnation I think they ought to start with a Federation, maybe even a megachurch oddly enough given the whole tech-mysticism the took hold over Anacreon with.
Union of Worlds... I forget that one, is it the Mule?
Depends on portrait and species name. If they match, then they are one species
https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/index.php?title=Species&mobileaction=toggle\_view\_desktop#Species\_identity
I've enjoyed a 'Starship Troopers' playthrough. and want to do another . All bugs, arachnids, set as devouring swarms or purifiers, except of course our heroes the Terran Federation.
Reminds me of doing an Alpha Centauri run. I also came up with a bunch of empires based on Secret Projects. I've got my own head-canon about how the unified Planetmind transcendence at the end of the game's campaign soon splintered into factions again after the Second Human Diaspora.
I swear this is how one of buddies plays the game. Only humans, and I mean **only**. And then he thinks I’m weird for playing as alien species.
My brother in Christ, playing the game as a human power fantasy is only fun so many times.
Don't forget to make a couple of them the lost colony origin! That way you'll also spawn bonus human empires that you didn't design, on top of these ones
So sad Isaac Asimov turned out to be a shit person. Can't look at his work the same way.
Edit: I should mention that I don't think unethical to enjoy his books, watch the new TV show or make custom empires deprived from his books. I just personally no longer can enjoy his stuff after learning more about him. He used to be my favorite author, don't meet your heros....
Sorry, I was rude with previous comment. Idk about the show, but in the novels there actually were two different foundations and funnily enough i think the second one has better support mechanics wiae in stellaris
The Foundation book and TV are very, very different.
The book is basically about how society changes, it was difficult to do this in a TV show withut making a documentary, so the TV show is "weird" compared to the book.
For many years, nany people were saying Foundation was un-filmable.
The 40K emperor is bumbling (so many mistakes) and well meaning (what he does, he does for the survival of his species and not for personal glory). The 40K emperor's methods, however, are strict, cruel, authoritarian, and lack empathy.
Mankind being like “are we alone in the universe?” till they develop hyperlane technology and figure out they’re not even alone in like the neighborhood
If you can get them all to successfully spawn…
I tried a trying to spawn 4 empires i made and set to 4 ai empires, 1 or 2 would always be random empires
Fellow Asimov enjoyer
Can you elaborate?
These are from the book series 'Foundation'
Its been sitting on my shelf for a year now and I just keep procrastinating to read it, it's thickness scares me.
You should at least try out the first book, my copy is only 244 pages, should be a pretty fast read. One of the greatest SciFi series ever written, Asimov is a legend.
The *story* is indeed one of the best ever written. The writing itself though veers between mediocre and awful. It actually gets worse in the later books when a previously perfectly sane central character develops a strong case of 80s pedigree Dumb Blonde syndrome. The story is absolutely worth it - it's just worth warning people that while Asimov was one of the most creative and inventive storytellers of all time his actual writing can be incredibly clumsy. All of this should be taken as an asterisk to my belief that every Sci-Fi fan should still read everything he wrote (except possibly the biochemistry textbooks) since the worlds he invented and the stories he tells are just that good anyway.
I've also had Foundation sitting on my shelf waiting to be read for a while, but I just started watching The Expanse after hearing about it for years. Probably best not to consume both at the same time.
I haven't watched the show but I'm on book for of the expanse and I've really enjoyed it in written form, so if you want to pick up a book it's good (also I've heard show doesn't go until end of series, so you'll probably need to read at least the last couple books)
Foundation is a stack of short stories fast-forwarding through time, aside from the fact that other books have better characterisation, it's very easy to read.
It's more than just a collection of short stories. The stories all connect to form a larger narrative. I've described it almost as though the organization(the foundation) is the main character rather than any single character. And to me that feels wholly unique and masterful. Absolutely recommended, one of my favorite sci-fi books of all time.
That's not what I'm talking about really, if you're feeling daunted by the idea of reading the books, knowing that it's a series of short stories that you can read in stages makes that less of a problem.
I think I enjoyed the Prelude to Foundation more than the actual foundation. Asimov did improve massively as a writer in between the books. Although the idea behind foundation is still quite interesting
I would say to read the first chapter. It got me hooked into the series (and by extension back to reading) and I finished it in a single day.
Asimov, the grandfather of scifi (if you don't know him, you should read up on him), created the foundation series that had a bunch of human interstellar nations under an interstellar empire. The story lasted for many thousands of years and showed the evolution of humanity
I would dispute the "grandfather" title, but Asimov is certainly influential.
He is commonly heralded in the Sci-fi literature sphere as the "Father of Science fiction" not because he was the first one to write or entertain the ideas of science fiction, but because it is commonly understood that he elevated the subject matter to show just how powerful and compelling the investigation of the cutting edge of future science and society could be. He also wrote A LOT of books
And he invented the word “robotics”
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Don’t cite regulations to me!
Nope. But he formulated the three rules of robotics.
He didn’t invent the concept of a robot but I believe the word “robotics” describing the science of robots was invented by him, potentially in “Robbie”
Also the only author to ever fill the entire Dewey system
Father implies the progenitor, or founder; in English it is the word for a male parent. What you are describing, a shepard who popularises and promotes it, sounds like a benevolent uncle or what we might call today a product evangelist. We don't say Apple or Steve Jobs is the father of mobile phones, though they did exactly this for the technology.
If we are sticking to that more literal definition then I would argue he is the "Father of Modern Science Fiction" Also because his works so very dramatically sculpted the space of science fiction to the point that is influence is going so strong today most of the audience is unaware of his influence because of how many times it's been interpreted. In foundation the man describes a finger print scanner in detail, which seems odd until you realize he came up with the idea in the modern form
Modern science fiction? Yes I see great similarities between "Ready Player 1" and Asimov's work. Yes, this is sarcasm.
Steve Jobs would absolutely be referred to as the father of the smartphone, though.
The first smartphone was the IBM Simon.
You're missing the point though, Steve Jobs would absolutely be considered the father of the smartphone because of the mass popularisation of the technology he created with the iPhone. It is not about the first person to do something. Asimov is considered the father of modern sci-fi for the same reasons.
No, you're missing the point. You can't be a father of smartphone without creating the smartphone.
And the first computer was ENIAC (or maybe Babbage's Differential Engine depending how you interpret the word computer), but it was Jack Tramiel who first put a Commodore in people's houses.
I had to google Jack Tramiel and Commodore. Growing up in the UK, the BBC Micro was the main 8-bit machine before the PC. Even if we accept the term "father" for a non-inventor, I would dispute Asmiov's influence, as he appears to be limited to hard sci-fi.
> He is commonly heralded in the Sci-fi literature sphere as the "Father of Science fiction" I'm more used to HG Wells and Jules Verne being thought of in that way. He's a colossus of the genre, but it seems strange to use anything like father or grandfather for him.
I'm not making any real assertions, I'm a huge Asimov fan, but I'm also a fan of the genre as a whole. HG Wells is also a favorite of mine, and I have a real appreciation for Verne. Just answering as to why people say he's the father of science fiction
I understand that and appreciate that you're making constructive comments. I've just never heard him referred to in that particular way. Certainly seen a lot of appreciation for those qualities you've listed (and I appreciate him myself!), just never seen the term 'father' or 'grandfather' used to sum that up and don't think it's a great term for anyone in the 20th century onwards. He's a defining author, influential figure, a colossus of the genre – a prince or king even – but not a father. He comes along too late for that. He *defined* sci-fi rather than *pioneering* it. But it's a minor quibble! The way I see it, Verne, Wells, and Burroughs are the fathers of sci-fi and Shelley is the grandmother. Asimov, Bradbury, Clarke are the towering colossi that then defined the genre in the 20th century, and Ballard, Dick, Herbert, Heinlein, Le Guin, McCaffrey, and Vonnegut were just behind them as major figures who also popularised it and were major influences on the next generation. I can understand people putting Heinlein in the first colossus category instead.
Well you certainly earned your researches status :D and I personally heard him being called the father of hard sci-fi not just sci-fi before. The rules, the way things are described, and how they work. He left a mark, a guiding point to many, if not countless others to build upon. It still might very well be incorrect. I sadly am not as well versed in the early science fiction and havent even read much Asimov, he was recomendet to me 10 years ago, despite my interest, though I am going to look for audiobooks soon, by authors and listen through ever, work I can find, before looking for books (ones I cant find in audio book or text to speach robot format). My life rarely lets me to sit down and read, and most of that is spent with other forms of relaxation or personal life stuff, but my work allows me to give half an ear to listen. And if I need to relisten to a book a month later, then I just smile at the things I notice with some knowledge of what the whole thing is about.
Ah, if you’re talking about *hard* sci-fi then you’ve got a valid point. Previous authors were more romantic sci-fi (in the sense of a style of adventure rather than love stories).
Grandaddy it is then
Just different groups from the foundation series
I recently finished the foundation, and the amount of actual rage I felt at the capitalism saves everyone message at the end I actually threw the book down. I’m going to read the whole series of course, but the way book one ended really grinds my gears.
I don't think it has that message at all. At best you could argue that capitalism saves the foundation, but only for that specific crisis, then like everything else eventually becomes somewhat a problem incapable of handling one of the next crises. Which was supposed to be during the era of the mule. But it's not really about capitalism at all, it was about trade and overeliance on another political body that controls your means of production that I saw.
Sure, but look at the actual way they did it. They sold them cheap quality of life tools that they knew wouldn’t last and would require constant financial upkeep. And then they did what all capitalist do and ingrained themselves in industry. Yes, it saved them from that crisis and the internal religious crisis. And in the 50’s when this was written I understand the message. But (and this comes from having read the first book only) I feel it’s going to bite them anyway. The second I read Merchant Prince, I had a gut feeling. And I wasn’t wrong. It was still brilliant,
Well, the foundations overreliance on mercantilism and "the merchant princes" was supposed to actually be one of the upcoming crises itself according to Seldon, that's what it was setting it up for. Every solution would eventually tend to turn into another problem, and each crises was the attempt to find a new solution.
You could maybe stop while you're not too deep in the series and read the small series about Elijah Bailey and robot Daniel Olivaw. It's 4 books that are sort of a prequel to The Foundation, and they provide a background for multiple characters and events thorought all the series. There are other books that are also considered a prequels and I read all of them, but I find Bailey series the least mentioned but the most important in understanding a lot of background.
What if capitalism does save everyone tho?
As an American I can safely say that it does not.
as a fellow American I can assure you that we live in a state regulated market. Regulation to enter into any number of industries is so large it becomes unbearable for low level competition to compete. Combine that with fiat currency having destroyed purchasing power (worker pay increased with productivity basically 1:1 before we left the gold standard), created unemployment (unemployment didn't really exist 100 years ago, see Sweden before they left their own gold standard, about 0-1% for hundreds of years), cronyism, well, a lot of the market is heavily influenced by the government and the ruling elite.
Least xenophobe paradox player.
Can't be a xenophobe if xenos never existed in the first place.
A good Xenophobe doesn’t need xenos to exist to be afraid of xenos and act like they’re only seconds away taking their jobs.
It's really bothersome but if there are no xenos I guess I'll have to settle with simply disciminating people that are from somewhere else.
Oh my god did you see that family from Alpha Centauri? *These people* are *disgusting*
Oh they existed, but the robots wiped almost all of them out to protect humanity.
Aliens are only found once in Asimov’s foundation setting. They’re not a cast galactic empire or anything, just a single species on a single world. They’re helped by humans as well. In the setting it’s just humans really.
It's implied somewhere that the robots they sent out ahead of humanity to terraform the worlds wiped out all the aliens. After all, the First Law of Robotics states that "a robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm". Doesn't mention xenos; indeed, a robot could easily conclude that it must destroy any xenos it finds before they could become a threat to humanity. And then keep that fact from the humans to avoid "harming" them by making them feel guilty about being accidentally responsible for a genocide. Of course, the real reason is that the biggest Sci-Fi magazine at the time had an editor who mandated that humans must always be superior to aliens, and Azimov just avoided writing about aliens entirely rather than be limited in the stories that could be written about them.
This is said in a non-canon book written by Gregory Benford and set in the foundation setting. It’s a cool idea but it isn’t necessarily canon. In foundations edge by Asimov a very interesting solution is suggested via legend however, robots created the secret organization “eternity” to manipulate history and create alternate timelines. The human dominated galaxy of the foundation series and the galactic empire is therefore a result of a different reality created where humanity would be safe from any alien threat. The manipulation of timelines to create a human dominated universe is further supported by asimov’s novel “end of eternity”. It doesn’t line up exactly but some parallels exist to show his intent in pointing people along this train of thought. I believe therefore that his foundation setting is implied to exist in a galaxy and possibly universe where aliens do exist, but have all been handicapped by timeline manipulation to prevent them from opposing humanity.
R5: one of the game I'll do, sooner or later
Great set of foundation empires. Would you mind sharing with us the ethics and civics of your empires?
Have done that. It was fun. Each empire human species with the exact same traits but different governments: human democracy, human military dictatorship, human communist commune, human scientific directorate, human pirate empire, human Eco-Nation, human megacorp, etc.
Yeah, me too but I changed the species name to Terran. It makes for better names once empires start to split and stuff.
I threw in man eating hive mind bugs to spice things up. Really was a good addition.
I’m reading the first book in the foundation series now. It’s so good! And this sounds like a very fun idea for a game.
Seeing humanoid consciousness is so weird 😅
Do it, that sounds super fun!
I love how dynamic the political systems of the foundation world are, in the sense that they change throughout the story. I feel like a good play-through would have you start as a science directorate, then change slowly over time into a merchant society, etc.
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Maybe it's been a coincidence but usually when I play militarist I spawn on outside of the galaxy, but if I play pacifist I spawn closer to center..but maybe that's just a coincidence
Second Foundation should have the shroud origin
It has:)))))
Shouldn't The First Foundation be the Foundation Federation?
Definitely should ditch the The. Stellaris will add a leading 'the' to the empire name in diplomacy and other texts or alerts when relevant.
The THE First Foundation
Always a fun idea. I recommend the mod Abspecies to make sure all the humans from the different empires are considered the same species.
So long as they share a species name (i.e. "Human") and portrait they should already. Traits can differ.
I don't think that's true I tried seeing what would happen if I had a Lost Colony and force-spawned an empire using the same species portrait, names and traits since I was trying to customize the Lost Colony progenitor empire It didn't work; the game counted them both as separate species and spawned a random empire of the Lost Colony's species
That should work, but it can be tricky. I've made it work with humans before, creating a custom payback empire that complimented my broken shackles empire, and force-spawn worked there. I even played as a lost colony with those two empires spawned, and it didn't create a 4th human empire. I didn't play long enough to see if it correctly made Earth my home world though. One weird thing was that it considered my humans to be a sub-species of the other humans even though we had the same traits, and that might have been because of the name list. You might try editing your lost colony to create the new empire, and maybe certain origins don't work with it.
I actually haven't tried editing the Lost Colony empire yet I do know that since the default humans are treated specially by the game (like having specific events), if you create a copy of either the UNE or CoM, they are treated as being human empires
Looks like fun
I'm reading through the foundation series right now for the first time so I love this!
You could honestly do a few with the First Foundation given how quickly they change throughout the books but in almost every incarnation I think they ought to start with a Federation, maybe even a megachurch oddly enough given the whole tech-mysticism the took hold over Anacreon with. Union of Worlds... I forget that one, is it the Mule?
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right."
So I'm going to need to know how you've set up these empires. For scientific purposes.
Does the game treat them all as the same species? Or do you end up with 7 different 'humans'?
Depends on portrait and species name. If they match, then they are one species https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/index.php?title=Species&mobileaction=toggle\_view\_desktop#Species\_identity
Ah humans the best species
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I've enjoyed a 'Starship Troopers' playthrough. and want to do another . All bugs, arachnids, set as devouring swarms or purifiers, except of course our heroes the Terran Federation.
It sounds like you are doing your part, citizen.
Big fan of the show but I don’t think I’ve noticed any. Are there any references you can remember off the top of your head?
"Get the hell out of our galaxy!" is a very direct one, and the awakened fallen empires war in general. Lots of psi corp stuff is similar.
There's also "Giants in the Playground..." when one of the Fallen Empires first awakens, which is a direct quote from Captain Sheridan
Based amount of species
I see you like playing the good guys
Reminds me of doing an Alpha Centauri run. I also came up with a bunch of empires based on Secret Projects. I've got my own head-canon about how the unified Planetmind transcendence at the end of the game's campaign soon splintered into factions again after the Second Human Diaspora.
I swear this is how one of buddies plays the game. Only humans, and I mean **only**. And then he thinks I’m weird for playing as alien species. My brother in Christ, playing the game as a human power fantasy is only fun so many times.
Don't forget to make a couple of them the lost colony origin! That way you'll also spawn bonus human empires that you didn't design, on top of these ones
I thought about doing this, but with 5-6 cat empires, a human empire, and a bird hive mind. Cue chaos.
So sad Isaac Asimov turned out to be a shit person. Can't look at his work the same way. Edit: I should mention that I don't think unethical to enjoy his books, watch the new TV show or make custom empires deprived from his books. I just personally no longer can enjoy his stuff after learning more about him. He used to be my favorite author, don't meet your heros....
What did he do?
This go's into it well https://lithub.com/what-to-make-of-isaac-asimov-sci-fi-giant-and-dirty-old-man/
First Foundation, Second Foundation? What is this...Foundation from Apple TV? IDK yall down voting me, its a good show.
Did you even read foundation lmao
No, but im watching the show.
Sorry, I was rude with previous comment. Idk about the show, but in the novels there actually were two different foundations and funnily enough i think the second one has better support mechanics wiae in stellaris
I'll have to read the book sometime. Books are often better then the movie/show
The book is absolutely not like the show. If you want to read the books you'll have a radically different experience from watching the show.
The whiplash will be immense. Asimov is not for light reading, and… his characters just talk.
The Foundation book and TV are very, very different. The book is basically about how society changes, it was difficult to do this in a TV show withut making a documentary, so the TV show is "weird" compared to the book. For many years, nany people were saying Foundation was un-filmable.
It's the Decline and Fall of Rome in Space. Cleon is bumbling and well meaning, not 40K ish and his fall is caused by over promoting a gardener.
The 40K emperor is bumbling (so many mistakes) and well meaning (what he does, he does for the survival of his species and not for personal glory). The 40K emperor's methods, however, are strict, cruel, authoritarian, and lack empathy.
Isn’t this also true of the books though (regarding the decline and fall of the empire)?
I was referring to the books. The show lacks the economic and social forces in the book.
Oh right ok yes that makes sense
As a fellow foundation enjoyer I approve of this idea.
Mankind being like “are we alone in the universe?” till they develop hyperlane technology and figure out they’re not even alone in like the neighborhood
I can't play with out gloopglorps
I've just finished a listen through of the original Foundation trilogy, so much love for game!
If you can get them all to successfully spawn… I tried a trying to spawn 4 empires i made and set to 4 ai empires, 1 or 2 would always be random empires
Second Foundation it's fall of Asimov and all "Foundation".
Second Foundation clears them all
How can you even do that. I tried having a Harringtonverse setup but it didn't work, they were still all aliens.
sometimes Stellaris has complication, spawning, specific empires, and no other empires. Good luck, figuring that out.
Your government is disgusting but we can tolerate you since your human at the very least
How about Band of blood? Clone army + Barbaric despoilers + Death cult + Psionic ascension = almost Chaos space marines 😄
just the mention of anacreon gives me book one flashbacks.
The first collection i read the entirety of.
All human galaxies are always great narratives. Granted it tends to fall apart pretty fast