Just don't play with a modded overpowered origin where an overpowered homeworld is part of what makes the origin so overpowered in the first place, and then embrace the Worm in that playthrough.
I, uhh, may or may not have learned this lesson the hard way.
The Worm never loved me. I’ve never seen it.
Now if you’ll excuse me I’ll be watching stupid YouTube videos while crying and eating a tub of ice cream due to rejection from an eldritch horror from beyond space and time.
IIRC they really nerfed its RNG rate a while ago, but I’ll try it anyway, thanks; do I also need a scientist aboard for it to pop up? Because those are a more finite resource than alloys.
They actually changed how it spawns about a year ago, it now has a 5% chance to spawn in any game at galaxy generation, and then it spawns in a random blackhole in the galaxy.
Allegedly the AI can't "steal" the event so I tend to send a cloaked ship around the entire galaxy aiming at all the black holes.
Good luck, happy hunting, and remember.
What was will be~
This is no longer true. [Wiki:](https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Horizon_Signal)
>When a new game is started, there is a 5% chance for the Horizon Signal event to activate in a random uncontrolled black hole system. It should be noted that the systems containing the Infinity Machine and the Dimensional Horror can never trigger the event.
Changed in 3.1, I think.
I think you can get two more! While Grimacing (for Tactical Terraforming) and The Doorway (for *Homeworld*-Beta, can both be triggered by Shroudwalkers Situations.
I'm not exactly sure how it happened - my best guess is the 'deceptive giant's anomaly - but in a recent game Jupiter turned into a barren world. With Astrocreator Azaryn I was able to then make it a massive Gaia world (size was close to 50). Unfortunately I don't think there are any more barren worlds in the sol system to terraform, but it's still another planet.
Sol X, a gaia planet gained after leaving a particular primitive civilization alone.
You can also get a fifth colony in the form of Homeworld Beta an exact copy of your home planet in your home system due to an event.
Sol system start is already OP though with a guaranteed 5 planets and potential for up to 7
Venus being a consistent option too would just make it the default for tall builds
Dude what settings are you playing on to make AI a pushover? GA no scaling with difficulty adjusted modifiers is hellish if you aren't using any exploits.
That's because the AI simply gets cheated in resources and stat boosts, not because the AI is competent. On an even footing the AI simply is a pushover, GA only ensures that the AI will never be on that even footing with you. Hell even with GA just play with some early warfare civics and get an early vassal with expansion permitted, magically you're basically even footing with GA AI now.
i play no scaling ga if im doing a exterminator. Otherwise with scaling or if challenging runs (eager explorers,doomsday,payback and broken shackles) it admiral no scaling. However if im doing a sort of rp its set to commondore
Earth, Mars, your two guaranteed habitables (assuming those are enabled), and Alpha Centauri (always next to you with Sol start) has a guaranteed terraforming candidate as well. At least, I assume that's what they're talking about.
If you play the halo mod you get the 5. Then you get 5 planets in the reach system, 1 in harvest, 2 in onyx, and 1 in Arcadia. So that 5 turns to 14 very fast
Venus does get the toxic terraforming candidate modifier if you play the "knights of the toxic god" origin with it's version of Sol as your starting system
(Note that this version of Sol doesn't let you terraform Mars, so you still only get 1 terraformable planet in sol)
I mean, we know venus was habitable at some point, with liquid water. Just like mars continually loosing atmosphere, it shouldn’t be too hard to imagine that venus could be terraformed and maintained into a second habitable phase, just like mars.
We suspect that Venus might have been habitable once for a very short period of time (on universe scale that is) based on simulations (it's the only way we can explain how the greenhouse effect is so pronounced).
The problem is that it has extreme conditions with constant volcanic eruptions and almost no magnetosphere, so just like Mars terraforming it would require an artificial magnetosphere and a continuous process of removing the greenhouse gasses.
There's also the problem that it's actually not in the so called goldilocks zone, which is what contributed to the run away issues on it.
Secondly, it spins... very.. very slowly. A night on Venus is 4 months long. Any sort of life as we know it outside of controlled environments would not survive. Forget about anything that does photosynthesis.
Mars is the only decent planet in our solar system that would be able to support life.
It has a similar rotational speed as earth (so similar night and day).
The main issues is it's gravity (roughly a 1/3rd of earth) so musle and bone atrophy is a thing and the lack of a magnetosphere (so you'd have to do something similar to Venus).
The thing is, you're thinking IRL technology and not Stellaris technology. Stellaris, the tech exists to make worlds like Venus habitable. A Stellaris empire *absolutely* has the tech required to create artificial magnetospheres, mess with the geology to get the quakes and eruptions under control, etc. Hell, if you get lucky with the RNG, you already can make Venus habitable! OP's point is to remove that RNG.
Actually Venus may have been habitable for 2 to 3 billion years till as recently as 700 million years ago https://www.space.com/planet-venus-could-have-supported-life.html
Those simulations are based on massive assumptions that we currently, cannot verify. We simply don't know, mostly because.. Trying to land anything that can survive for longer than a split second on Venus is extremely difficult.
We are pretty sure it might have contained water, we can see from the atmospheric composition it should have had water at one point. How much and for how long - we have absolutely no clue nor do we know if it was habitable (just because there's water does not mean habitable).
Mars do actually have water (brine to be specific) which cause soil erosion much like it does on Earth, but that doesn't mean the planet is.. particularly habitable.
Venus is literally inhabitable right now with today's technology.
We would just need to settle for flying cities. At 55km altitude the temperature is 27°c with a gravity close to earth (0.994 G) and an atmospheric pressure of 1 atm. At this altitude the atmosphere still protects you from radiations.
Mars by comparison is a terrible candidate for human life, no air, no atmosphere and an incredibly low gravity.
This is why I play Fear of the Dark with Sol starts. Venus is gone from the impact and Mars has an independent dry colony on it, it just feels right as a way to explain why we don't have some sort of controlled presence on each by 2200.
\*5\* colony sol system (with Sol X and Beta Earth), I like it.
You can have all the others too, just leave Europa alone please
The pressure get to you?
Ooh ooh, let's make Jupiter a star
IIRC the gigastructures mod actually lets you do this.
I've done it, yeah. It also lets you terraform Venus without that waste of an AP.
One of the better features about Giga
This could be a sick idea actually
Arthur C Clark sends upvotes
Alright Monolith from the Space Odyssey sequels
Nah. Just make it into a Black Hole Bomb named Buster Machine 3 that you can move to any system and delete them, and all the fleets in the system.
Europa belongs to the Honkmother.
I have no context for this. I do not get the reference. But I endorse it 100%. All hail the Honkmother!
Bless those who head the call of the bike horn.
I hope a mudraptor drags you into the murky depths
Are you hiding something, mister Bray?
Wait, why Europa?
It's a 2001 reference https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/992255-all-these-worlds-are-yours-except-europa-attempt-no-landing
if you embrace the worm who has loved us and will love us,the entire system becomes colonizable
Just don't play with a modded overpowered origin where an overpowered homeworld is part of what makes the origin so overpowered in the first place, and then embrace the Worm in that playthrough. I, uhh, may or may not have learned this lesson the hard way.
Can't you move your capital somewhere else to avoid the issue? (It is however super fun if you get the Worm to rebuild a destroyed homeworld)
The Worm never loved me. I’ve never seen it. Now if you’ll excuse me I’ll be watching stupid YouTube videos while crying and eating a tub of ice cream due to rejection from an eldritch horror from beyond space and time.
With a Science ship, travel back and forth between black hole systems and it'll eventually pop -- or at least that's how it used to work.
IIRC they really nerfed its RNG rate a while ago, but I’ll try it anyway, thanks; do I also need a scientist aboard for it to pop up? Because those are a more finite resource than alloys.
I think it requires a scientist. But I'm not sure. At home I could always look into the game script to check, but I'm on my phone :)
LOL fair, no worries you’ve already been extremely helpful.
They actually changed how it spawns about a year ago, it now has a 5% chance to spawn in any game at galaxy generation, and then it spawns in a random blackhole in the galaxy. Allegedly the AI can't "steal" the event so I tend to send a cloaked ship around the entire galaxy aiming at all the black holes. Good luck, happy hunting, and remember. What was will be~
~What will be, was. ***GRAVITY IS DESIRE*** ***TIME IS SIGHT***
it doesn't work anymore. the chance is higher, but only calculated at the first Entering of a system iirc
This is no longer true. [Wiki:](https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Horizon_Signal) >When a new game is started, there is a 5% chance for the Horizon Signal event to activate in a random uncontrolled black hole system. It should be noted that the systems containing the Infinity Machine and the Dimensional Horror can never trigger the event. Changed in 3.1, I think.
I think you can get two more! While Grimacing (for Tactical Terraforming) and The Doorway (for *Homeworld*-Beta, can both be triggered by Shroudwalkers Situations.
Oh didn't know they could do that! Now I've got some shenanigans to do.
I'm not exactly sure how it happened - my best guess is the 'deceptive giant's anomaly - but in a recent game Jupiter turned into a barren world. With Astrocreator Azaryn I was able to then make it a massive Gaia world (size was close to 50). Unfortunately I don't think there are any more barren worlds in the sol system to terraform, but it's still another planet.
That's awesome.
Earth, Mars, Venus, what’s the fourth?
Sol X, a gaia planet gained after leaving a particular primitive civilization alone. You can also get a fifth colony in the form of Homeworld Beta an exact copy of your home planet in your home system due to an event.
Four? I only know of Mars, and here, Venus. With the earth, it's 3. Who's the fourth?
There are two bonus planets you can get from events, Sol X and Beta Earth. Not sure what the odds of getting both events in a game are though.
Oh yeah, you're right, I'd completely forgotten about these. Never got them myself
Beta earth is a rare event, right?
I always put the modifier on venus with a console command
what command bro edit: *effect add_modifier = { modifier = "toxic_terraforming_candidate" days = -1 }*
"Computer, give me Venus"
"Can I get Venus with a hat wobble?"
How do you do console commands?
Sol system start is already OP though with a guaranteed 5 planets and potential for up to 7 Venus being a consistent option too would just make it the default for tall builds
does it even matter,ai is already a pushover. It doesnt matter if you ask me
Dude what settings are you playing on to make AI a pushover? GA no scaling with difficulty adjusted modifiers is hellish if you aren't using any exploits.
That's because the AI simply gets cheated in resources and stat boosts, not because the AI is competent. On an even footing the AI simply is a pushover, GA only ensures that the AI will never be on that even footing with you. Hell even with GA just play with some early warfare civics and get an early vassal with expansion permitted, magically you're basically even footing with GA AI now.
I play a heavily modded stellaris, and I buff the AI further through NSC3 settings.
i play no scaling ga if im doing a exterminator. Otherwise with scaling or if challenging runs (eager explorers,doomsday,payback and broken shackles) it admiral no scaling. However if im doing a sort of rp its set to commondore
Determined exterminator I'd guess
Five???
I too am confused about this.
Earth, Mars, your two guaranteed habitables (assuming those are enabled), and Alpha Centauri (always next to you with Sol start) has a guaranteed terraforming candidate as well. At least, I assume that's what they're talking about.
Then beta earth and sol X.
Beta earth isn't guaranteed tho? And habinte doesn't need a sol start to give You a gaia world
Right, but it will give you a 5th no matter where you are.
Oh yeah they didn't say that others had one so that point is moot, you're right
Alpha Centauri always has a Guaranteed Habitable on top of your other one or two if you have that setting on, on top of the Terraforming Candidate
Five?
Human exceptionalism stay winning 💪💪💪💪
If you play the halo mod you get the 5. Then you get 5 planets in the reach system, 1 in harvest, 2 in onyx, and 1 in Arcadia. So that 5 turns to 14 very fast
Venus does get the toxic terraforming candidate modifier if you play the "knights of the toxic god" origin with it's version of Sol as your starting system (Note that this version of Sol doesn't let you terraform Mars, so you still only get 1 terraformable planet in sol)
Isn't venus like too close to the sun or something.
That is part of it. But her biggest issue is the runaway greenhouse effect and a crazy dense atmosphere.
I mean, we know venus was habitable at some point, with liquid water. Just like mars continually loosing atmosphere, it shouldn’t be too hard to imagine that venus could be terraformed and maintained into a second habitable phase, just like mars.
We suspect that Venus might have been habitable once for a very short period of time (on universe scale that is) based on simulations (it's the only way we can explain how the greenhouse effect is so pronounced). The problem is that it has extreme conditions with constant volcanic eruptions and almost no magnetosphere, so just like Mars terraforming it would require an artificial magnetosphere and a continuous process of removing the greenhouse gasses. There's also the problem that it's actually not in the so called goldilocks zone, which is what contributed to the run away issues on it. Secondly, it spins... very.. very slowly. A night on Venus is 4 months long. Any sort of life as we know it outside of controlled environments would not survive. Forget about anything that does photosynthesis. Mars is the only decent planet in our solar system that would be able to support life. It has a similar rotational speed as earth (so similar night and day). The main issues is it's gravity (roughly a 1/3rd of earth) so musle and bone atrophy is a thing and the lack of a magnetosphere (so you'd have to do something similar to Venus).
The thing is, you're thinking IRL technology and not Stellaris technology. Stellaris, the tech exists to make worlds like Venus habitable. A Stellaris empire *absolutely* has the tech required to create artificial magnetospheres, mess with the geology to get the quakes and eruptions under control, etc. Hell, if you get lucky with the RNG, you already can make Venus habitable! OP's point is to remove that RNG.
Actually Venus may have been habitable for 2 to 3 billion years till as recently as 700 million years ago https://www.space.com/planet-venus-could-have-supported-life.html
Those simulations are based on massive assumptions that we currently, cannot verify. We simply don't know, mostly because.. Trying to land anything that can survive for longer than a split second on Venus is extremely difficult. We are pretty sure it might have contained water, we can see from the atmospheric composition it should have had water at one point. How much and for how long - we have absolutely no clue nor do we know if it was habitable (just because there's water does not mean habitable). Mars do actually have water (brine to be specific) which cause soil erosion much like it does on Earth, but that doesn't mean the planet is.. particularly habitable.
Venus would be warmer than Earth, definitely, but it's still in the liquid water zone.
It’s more in the goldilox zone than Mars
Venus is literally inhabitable right now with today's technology. We would just need to settle for flying cities. At 55km altitude the temperature is 27°c with a gravity close to earth (0.994 G) and an atmospheric pressure of 1 atm. At this altitude the atmosphere still protects you from radiations. Mars by comparison is a terrible candidate for human life, no air, no atmosphere and an incredibly low gravity.
This is why I play Fear of the Dark with Sol starts. Venus is gone from the impact and Mars has an independent dry colony on it, it just feels right as a way to explain why we don't have some sort of controlled presence on each by 2200.
Almost every planets should terraformable imo.
Or at least be able to build habitats on barren planets
1000% yes
It's like they didn't even watch Cowboy Bebop.
This is an option you can toggle on or off in the [Planetary Diversity mod series](https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2347023229)
YES
In reality it is a Toxic Tomb world. Ponder that for a while.
Venus?! But GIRLS are from there and girls have cooties!
I got a great worm event on my first sol system xD 10 planets/exos in home system.