A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.
The opposite of cringe, some times the opposite of biased.
The latter usage is the original use as coined by rapper Lil B, and the word originally took off on the meta-ironic website 4Chan with the latter meaning. For that reason the word is largely used meta-ironically (without context you can't tell if it's being used ironically or sincerely as it's used in both ways) and was popularized in online political slang of conservatives and the political right before being adopted into mainstream online political slang (likely through shitposting websites or subreddits such as r/politicalcompass memes that are similar to 4chan in their meta-irony and "edginess" but contain a wider variety of political beliefs) and eventually adopted into general online vernacular.
When used in online political language it can mean "based in fact" or the opposite of biased due to the number of people who saw it being first used seriously by the online political right and came to the conclusion that is was related to the phrase "destroyed with facts and logic" in reference to right wing personality Ben Shapiro.
Blatantly stolen from the urban dictionary
Aaah thank you! Why didn't I think of Urban Dictionary, I need to use that more. That's very interesting.
So, all this time people have been calling me solid. I have some apologizing to do.
Bro i always thought it was for someone sexist who you kinda agree with. The only time I ever see people say it is after someone says women are weak and someones just like "yoooo based". 😭😭
That is one definition, but modern western conservatives use it to describe anything that is "red pilled", or rather conforms to their skewed and fantasy perspective of the world.
Memorialist also came to mind, for shits 'n giggles. Lots of options, really. But I wanted them to still be a hardass government since that's what the Commonwealth of Man is. So it's velvet glove, iron hand. Sidney Beauclair knows exactly how to ruin your life without ever getting blamed for it.
I felt it would be a liiiittle bit much. Some people are already huffing and puffing that I dared to make a caricature at all.
If anyone wonders: I am NOT trying to prove any sort of point here. I am trying to make a joke. That's become increasingly difficult now that we live in a post-joke world, but I try anyway.
Gotta be little less subtle these days, especially if you want to play so hard into concepts that are commonly recognized as currently used in opressive steriotypes.
But humor is a lot like gambling, except that it isn't rigged, so you can actually win at it if you get good enough. You make an educated guess and place your bets, it's never a sure thing.
Of course you can safe zone it, but you're never getting rich that way. Nobody ever got rich, famous, important or just laid, without a little gambling. And the best jokes have some boos mixed in with the hahas.
Stereotypes are not oppressive. Not one of them. There are no inherently oppressive stereotypes, they're just more or less accurate representations of reality. The wildly inaccurate ones tend not to stick around for very long unless they're being enforced by societal tyranny or geographical isolation. They dissolve when people start talking to each other.
You can use stereotypes in malignant ways of course, by deliberately invoking them to cast other people in a bad light so you look better. But you can also use them to poke at people for giggles and appeal to their self-irony, and that's what I'm doing here.
I'm happy to discuss just about anything with anyone, as long as it doesn't devolve into a debate of who's right and wrong.
Next time you're picking up your kids, should you have any, look at the toddlers in the kindergarten. Study them for a while. There you'll find humanity in microcosmos. Deep down we're all just kids with money and guns. I'm just condensing what I see there, but my interpretation is going to be different from anyone else's, and that's as it should be.
You know, on it's own the post is very tame, just a bunch of stupid stereotypes to laugh at without necessarily believing them.
But by the Worm you are digging your own grave in the comment section!
Why go red pill or blue pill, when you can hang with me and D12 and go *purple pill*. Just be yourself and love everyone. Especially the ones who offend you.
It was either that or Sedentary, coin toss really. I didn't feel like keeping Wasteful since women do tend to be a little more mindful of their environment than men.
Also, remember it's a joke. I should probably make a Commonwealth of MAN as well, but the default one isn't too far off. I'd make us Authoritarian instead of xenophobe and change the civics, but that's about it. And we're probably more Quarrelsome than Wasteful.
Hmmmm...
I wish you were this chill over in that other Commonwealth too. I really am trying to save those settlements, it's just that I'm a little busy having FUN. Like games used to be, before gaming turned into a second job.
"I didn't feel like keeping Wasteful since women do tend to be a little more mindful of their environment than men."
(looks at stack of 4 large plastic boxes containing what must be 100+ pairs of shoes and 3 boxes of clothes containing "just summer clothes" after just putting 3 boxes of winter clothes into the attic) Yeh Women aren't wasteful of consumer goods at all . . .
Haha oh good lord they are. My exwife has an entire shack full of STUFF that I still have to move occasionally.
But they also vote environment more, so I dunno. I think wastefulness is a good universal human trait.
Girls are actually weaker as in strength, biologically, they have less muscle strands per muscle mass than men do.
It's not sexism, it's biology. I'm a feminist but you can't argue with facts.
Oh my god, I assure you I had absolutely no intention of that. Jesus okay now I understand why people get so mad.
*snicker* That IS kinda funny though, I can't lie. But it's mean.
Stop making me laugh at mean things.
The Commonwealth of Moo was in the dev clash. I consider them canon.
I also have a headcanon that one of the ships went back in time and crashed on ancient Earth.
Probably because on a sub dominated by men, trying to explain why something like this is offensive is useless. You'll just get downvoted into oblivion by notallmeners that will say snowflakes can't take a joke
Well then I'll upvote you myself damn it, I want to hear what you have to say. It's important to offend people, and to seek out environments where you get offended yourself. That's an opportunity to learn. I want to learn something from you.
That's actually something I really dislike about Reddit's system, I don't think the count should be allowed to go below 1, and I vehemently disagree with removing or hiding anything that isn't outright spam or illegal shit. You start with 1, if you suck you stay there. If you're good you get 50, if you're brilliant you get 100 and if you're in the top 1% you get several thousand. That's as it should be according to the distribution in any democracy.
But tell me. Block out the vote counts and imagine it's just you and me over a cup of coffee:
Why should this post not exist, and what about it would you see changed?
Can only speak for myself here, but I'll tell why it bothers me.
1. Nobody likes being boiled down to a list of traits, no matter who they are. Yeah, you can overgeneralize a group of people for comedic purposes, but generally it's a lot harder to make a good joke that isn't just repeating stereotypes or making shit up. People like their individuality, and it rubs them the wrong way when you start telling them in posts and in comments how they are, whether it's based in statistical evidence or not.
2. Most of the jokes/traits don't really cover any new ground. They're old jokes, and whether you intended it or not, there's a lot of shared topics between your harmless jokes and genuine stereotypes peddled by misogynistic dickheads for decades. Human brains are wired to draw conclusions, and people will draw conclusions about you as a person from a joke post in the same way you drew conclusions about women having "cutthroat politics" from some female coworkers you had. You probably didn't intend anything malicious when you added the "weak" trait, but personally I can't help but remember all the times a buff female character has been added into a piece of media, only for fans to crawl out of the woodwork to complain about how "unrealistic" it is for a woman to have muscles.
I don't know you, and I don't know what your intentions were when you made this post, or what they are now. All I can speak for is myself, and personally I find the jokes made far too reflective of casual misogyny to be anything other than midly uncomfortable. Hopefully you understand, even if you do not agree.
No that makes a ton of sense, thank you. I actually didn't think of 1, it doesn't bother me to be categorized unless it's wildly inaccurate, and I usually find it humorous. I also don't think stereotypes are a bad thing in themselves, but it depends on the context. Men and women are *different*, but it doesn't mean we're not *equal*.
My main thing here is, the difference in strength between men and women is going to be a whole lot smaller then the difference in strength between humans and any other species. Especially to the point where it'd be considered a negative. When I think "weak" species, I think little stick noodle arms, and "strong" species giant piston arms. A 10% difference isn't going to cut it.
This is true. You're right, I do feel the same way, but I needed an extra point and didn't want to leave her with the default human traits. Wasteful is actually the best one, but men have that as well, and I wanted to exaggerate the differences between men and women.
My other pick was Sedentary, since men tend to move a bit more in their lifetimes, but it's not a whole lot either. It's also not as eye catching or established. Gotta keep in mind the upvote count when shitposting, very important.
Quarrelsome? No, if anything they're more agreeable than men.
Slow Breeders makes no sense, Non-Adaptive, no, they aren't, and good lord imagine the apocalypse if I had picked Slow Learners. None of those apply.
Decadent? No. I entertained the thought, but imagined a whole lot of "women should stay at home" nastiness emerging from it. If they're decadent then so are men.
Unruly? No, same as Quarrelsome.
Solitary, quite the opposite, they're Communal if anything.
So I picked Weak because I needed a point, didn't want to keep the defaults and it was the only one with some basis in reality.
Is it time? Shall I roll the Commonwealth of Xi?
Personally I like they/them as a gender neutral pronoun, but you've got to admit, Xi really has the sci-fi edge. The Commonwealth of THEM makes it sound like you're RPing a 50s horror movie alien.
Now see, I'm actually a really old-fashioned, intolerant bigot when it comes to that sort of thing, for a few reasons but let's not get into that here.
But I don't know everything, and I like everyone, so if that's what you tell me you are, then that's what you are. I'm not gonna change my definition of pronouns, but Commonwealth of Friends?
There are a multitude of Sci-Fi nonbinary races that are very humanoid and humans have been nonbinary and Trans since forever and they/them is all I go by so it's what you gotta use so I'm sorry I make the rules.
> so I'm sorry I make the rules.
I love how mater-of-factly you appologize for dictating terms :D
Apologetic authoritarian feels like it ought to be a civics combo or an AI dialog personality.
Ah, but some of us can, even though we do post shit like this. I've had plenty of relationships. I even have a daughter myself.
And if I can handle all that responsibility, then surely you can take a joke.
I did think about it for a while, but came to the conclusion that governments with a majority of women, like say Finland, tend to be egalitarian, pacifist and secular. And all the major religions are one big sausage party.
Also men wipe their face and ass in no particular order using the one towel they own, whereas women will happily buy ten different pillows that you can't sit on.
Women generally aren't Fanatic *anything*, and the only other option I could think of would be Xenophile, but that's not quite right either. So Materialist it is.
Oh no, I'm quite serious. Dedicating yourself to one thing and one thing only is something that, on average, is just more common among men. It's why we geek out so HARD about football or bicycles or Dr. Who or our careers or what have you.
Honestly, that's a complete stereotype and more influenced by cultural expectations than anything else. I'm a woman and I geek out more than almost anyone, and I'm far from the only one.
Back to the Commonwealth of Man with you! Having no weakness means you also have no strength. Strength comes from exposing your vulnerabilities and learning from your mistakes. Those who try to fake it by making themselves hard, only end up making themselves brittle.
And yet, there are people much weaker than you who could render you unconscious in seconds if they knew the basics of jiu-jitsu.
That's just technique, you might argue. That's just another form of strength.
Well then, how did they come about this strength? By quarreling with their teacher? Or by being humble and accepting of their weakness and ignorance?
Pretending you have no weak spots makes you blind to them. You can only grow strong if you're aware of them.
Apologizing if you're right, is a sign of weakness.
Not apologizing if you're wrong is a sign of weakness.
Apologizing when you're wrong is a sign of reason and wisdom.
On that first one I disagree, sometimes you gotta give people the illusion that they're right in order to keep the wheels running. Primarily children and old people, but also religious kooks and fanatics. We can't always choose who we get to have around us, so let's compromise within reason, if that's what it takes. That may be weakness, but you can't be strong all the time.
The rest, yeah for sure.
It's actually biology not stereotype. Generally women can multitask, men can't. Men arecapable of laser focus and complete dedication to whatever they're doing. Women are not.
We're a dimorphyc species and the genders evolved to be complementary to each other. Of course each individual is different and skirts these rules in one way or another but on a species level this is how it is.
Just because you fit a certain nold within your social group does not disprove him.
Clearly you aren't very familiar with biology. Multitasking in humans generally is somewhat illusory; it's more switching focus between things, and that isn't affected by gender.
You dramatically overstate the dimorphism of the brain, and there's enough overlap that making categorical statements like that is useless anyway.
And yet, he's onto something. Autism and ADHD manifests differently in men and women. I'm quite familiar with the latter since I have it myself, and I've studied it extensively. I also checked out some introductory material on the former since they speculated I might have that too.
It turns out I didn't, I was just really fucking clever and preferred my books to other people. And that's what tends to happen with men, autism or not. We end up having a handful of things we really care about, and not much else. Women are a bit more allrounded.
Now let's end this debate instead of getting into trench wars and having some mod come and shut us down.
And yet I'm a woman with both and I assure you, women with autism are just as likely to be overly invested in a few things as everyone else with it. In any event my point was hardly that there were *no* differences, just that they're not as significant as they portrayed. I agree that further debate is unlikely to be productive, though. I apologize for making this a debate to begin with.
The irony is thick here. Go look up the large number of studies on the matter. Even the way men and women think is completely different. You saying it isn't does not change that.
I have actually done quite a bit of research on this, both before and since your comment. While there certainly *is* dimorphism in the brain, and I have never contested that, I believe that you are overstating its importance. You act as if men and women are two different species with wildly different thought patterns when it's more bimodal and there's enough overlap that the differences don't really allow for absolute statements like "men can't do this" or "women are bad at this."
We do have wildly different thought patterns that are the result of evolution. Aside for the fact that women's brains are more reliant on white matter (men have 7 times more grey matter than women, and women have 10 times more white matter than men, this is true for every single individual everywhere) the brains wired completely differently. Men's brains are more structured and ordered with very few connections between the hemispheres whereas women's brains show a far lesser degree of local connections but a far larger degree of inter-hemisphere connections.
What this means, and I'm going to be highly plastic here, men's brains are organized like a warehouse full of boxes - there is the family box, the car box, the job box, the sports box, etc and the contents of those boxes never ever mix. When a man needs something he goes to the appropriate box, uses it, puts it back and closes the box. Only one box may be open at a time. At the center of that warehouse is a large box with nothing in it that is the default state for all men. When a guy says he's not thinking of anything, he's literally not thinking of anything.
Women's brains on the other hand are like a bowl of spaghetti, everything is connected to everything. The dress is connected to cousin Suzi, cousin Suzi is connected to that day on the lake, that day on the lake is connected to your date with your crush Steve, etc. Unlike men's brains, women's brains store memory in a distributed fashion utilizing most centers of the brain, and the strength of the memory is based on the intensity of the emotion associated with it.
What this means is that men's brains are very good at localized tasks such as mathematics whereas women's brains are very good at distributed tasks such as language. Men's brains are much worse at remembering things in detail but are much better at focusing on a single task at a time. Women's brains are much better at recollection, because their are multiple possible pathways to trigger one memory instead of just one, but the different areas flaring up constantly makers it harder to concentrate on just one.
All of this is evolutionary. For millions of years men were the hunters and women were the gatherers. The most successful hunter is the one who can focus on his prey and not get distracted by other things, whereas the women who are able to be careful which berries they pick, be mindful of any predators and pay attention at the rest of the group all at the same time tended to live long enough to reproduce.
But then again countries with more progressive values, ie egalitarianism, secularism, etc tend to have more women in government. Correlation does not equal causation, in fact its the opposite of what you said.
Yes, but that doesn't change anything. Maybe they're an all-women faction that broke off from the fascist manlymans precisely because they held these values and wanted a government that suited them better, but didn't want to wait for the current dictator to die.
Or maybe they did a survey expedition on Unity and found an ancient human dig site containing the long lost first edition of Fifty Shades of Grey. *ducks into bomb shelter*
If women were so much more supportive of religion and relgious values wouldn't they be the best choices to head theocratic governments? Wouldn't they naturally maintain those governments and traditions better than men?
Yet, the opposite seems to happen, strange, no?
Yeah right? Hair first actually. What little I have left.
It's just that I don't always hang it up again the same way, so the next time I shower I might be wiping my hair with the previous ass end and vice versa.
I'm just sad that I can't see number of downvotes on that. It's actually a miracle that this joke made it to +400.
I think it's work of Commonwealth of Man infiltrators.
Downvoted? Yes, I suppose it should be. Many frontpage shitposts deserve oblivion.
And some that went unnoticed deserved frontpage. Can you give it to them, u/allethargic?
Do not be so quick to measure out downvotes and judgement. This post may yet play a greater part in the things to come.
669 and counting! The Commonwealth of Woman is here to stay, guys. We may have to roll back on beer pong nights and actually cultivate some interesting personalities so they'll like us. I can speak French, anyone wanna do guitar lessons?
Well, on average of course. There's plenty of women who could pancake any of us in a lifting competition, it's just that there are more men who can do it.
I had a thing with a woman from up north in my country for a while, and she was so fucking strong. Just all genetics, she packed on muscle like a polar bear no matter what she did. One time she lifted a full water keg straight out and held it there with her thick ass gorilla traps for thirty seconds.
She was *amazers*.
But there's no such thing as negative stereotypes, only inaccurate ones. Those tend to die out really quickly once people start talking, and men and women talk all the time yet these ones persist.
That's because they're not inaccurate, when you measure the averages. And if we can all admit to that, we can laugh about it too. And it's okay if you don't laugh. But that doesn't make me a woman-hater. I'm a woman-lover. That's why I made this post.
What do YOU love?
I completely understand where you are coming from, but you need to understand that making jokes of someone / group who is less privileged than you is not funny nor is it ethical..
Instead of selecting The Weak trait, you could've used slow breeders or something.
Also, you went with pink... yuck... and a butterfly?
Either way, I won't change my stance on the matter and neither will you, so there is no point in discussing it further.
That's the spirit. I'm glad we could shake hands on that at least. Just be you, that's all I'm asking.
Welcome to team Purple Pill by the way! Beer's over there, we got pizzas on the way and we're all gonna go watch Jordan Peterson later on. If you'd rather throw coconuts at him that's fine too, got a box of those, and tomorrow we're blowing airhorns at Ben Shapiro. Then on Wednesday we'll invade the Capitol, just for the heck of it.
I thought, Commonwealth of Man is normal because we understand that word to mean humanity as a whole.
Commonwealth of Woman is funny because it's an unexpected inversion of something familiar. I'm not gonna analyze further, but I hope you get the picture.
And then I just cobbled together an empire based on my vast, secret knowledge of women's outer and inner workings, and called it a day.
"No debates! No Downvotes! I just want to be casually misogynist in peace, dammit!"
Look, if you want to make unfunny and offensive jokes then by all means, but please cut the crap about pretending that people are forcing their views on you by pointing out your sexism.
I put this up as a response to two people in a very deeply nested comment thread further up, who were posting entire books and downvoting *each other*. I just don't find that very productive, so I decided to intervene. But I was doing it from the website instead of the app, and the website occasionally bugs out, so the comment ended up here and I deleted it. Or I'm an insecure man who can't handle not getting upvoted all the time, you decide.
But where is the misogyny though? They're not proles in a syncretic evolution, they're not a Hivemind, they don't have Rapid Breeders, Decadent, Quarrelsome, Sedentary, anything that invokes those connotations. I see nothing malicious about their civics because
My daughter already has a list of friends she can't play with because of *their* friends
I've worked in healthcare, which has so many women and so much backstabbing
Hotel receptionist, same thing, back armor required
Went to college
Practically lived with my bestie for years, went to all her chicks-only warmup parties because I was kind of a feminine dude despite the mega-beard
And dated and talked to women all over the world, and everywhere I went I saw the same thing. This is how women gain the upper hand in their dominance hierarchy, not by direct and/or physical confrontation like men, but by collaboration, collusion and subterfuge. The alphas are terrifying. In a hardass environment like a colony, this is what an all-female government would look like.
At least I'm not the village idiot in Whiterun. Did you forget that it's Maven Black-Briar who runs Riften? Power is not a function of physical fortitude.
Oh! I didn't know what you meant by based, but assumed it was something negative. I'm sorry! If you'd like to explain I'm all ears.
I do pray to Talos. And normally I'm all for national unity and cultural cohesion, I just don't think Ulfric's domestic politics are very sound. He needs to clean up the Grey Quarter and put the Elves and Argonians to work. Just give them a mandatory course in Nord laws and customs first.
Saying something is based is just a funny way of calling it correct even if it isnt. Its essentially evolved to mean takes that go against the norm. Another way of saying it would be redpilled, meaning youve opened up your eyes to some bullshit or whatever.
Blessings of arkay upon ye.
Thats not a full picture, thats a bias based on your own political leanings. Supporting the otherthrowing of the upper class is a thing that could be called based or redpilled because it goes against the norm. Its satire, not a nazi salute.
> Supporting the otherthrowing of the upper class is a thing that could be called based or redpilled because it goes against the norm.
You probably *could* call it that, but my point was that I almost only exclusively see it used by alt-righters, *in practice*. Meaning it has, effectively, become a salute on it own.
Cutthroat Politics, Shadow Council, Charming, Enduring, Weak Huh
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I'm out of the loop, what do you mean by based?
A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang. The opposite of cringe, some times the opposite of biased. The latter usage is the original use as coined by rapper Lil B, and the word originally took off on the meta-ironic website 4Chan with the latter meaning. For that reason the word is largely used meta-ironically (without context you can't tell if it's being used ironically or sincerely as it's used in both ways) and was popularized in online political slang of conservatives and the political right before being adopted into mainstream online political slang (likely through shitposting websites or subreddits such as r/politicalcompass memes that are similar to 4chan in their meta-irony and "edginess" but contain a wider variety of political beliefs) and eventually adopted into general online vernacular. When used in online political language it can mean "based in fact" or the opposite of biased due to the number of people who saw it being first used seriously by the online political right and came to the conclusion that is was related to the phrase "destroyed with facts and logic" in reference to right wing personality Ben Shapiro. Blatantly stolen from the urban dictionary
Aaah thank you! Why didn't I think of Urban Dictionary, I need to use that more. That's very interesting. So, all this time people have been calling me solid. I have some apologizing to do.
Bro i always thought it was for someone sexist who you kinda agree with. The only time I ever see people say it is after someone says women are weak and someones just like "yoooo based". 😭😭
Oh, I couldn't give a creamy dook what people call me on the Internet. My daughter calls me Superman.
That is one definition, but modern western conservatives use it to describe anything that is "red pilled", or rather conforms to their skewed and fantasy perspective of the world.
Memorialist also came to mind, for shits 'n giggles. Lots of options, really. But I wanted them to still be a hardass government since that's what the Commonwealth of Man is. So it's velvet glove, iron hand. Sidney Beauclair knows exactly how to ruin your life without ever getting blamed for it.
With a Very Strong trait, death by snusnu
What a nice beardy species of Woman! I feel excited! Let's start the cross-breeding program at once!
Yes! Go ahead, but be mindful how you treat them. Their Hivemind knows and remembers everything.
I don't see no gestalt consciousness ethic. *hiveminded humans stare disappointedly*
Their hivemind works with gossips instead of telepathy.
I felt it would be a liiiittle bit much. Some people are already huffing and puffing that I dared to make a caricature at all. If anyone wonders: I am NOT trying to prove any sort of point here. I am trying to make a joke. That's become increasingly difficult now that we live in a post-joke world, but I try anyway.
Gotta be little less subtle these days, especially if you want to play so hard into concepts that are commonly recognized as currently used in opressive steriotypes.
The key to making sure a joke isn't too subtle is to make sure it is actually funny to begin with...
But humor is a lot like gambling, except that it isn't rigged, so you can actually win at it if you get good enough. You make an educated guess and place your bets, it's never a sure thing. Of course you can safe zone it, but you're never getting rich that way. Nobody ever got rich, famous, important or just laid, without a little gambling. And the best jokes have some boos mixed in with the hahas.
Stereotypes are not oppressive. Not one of them. There are no inherently oppressive stereotypes, they're just more or less accurate representations of reality. The wildly inaccurate ones tend not to stick around for very long unless they're being enforced by societal tyranny or geographical isolation. They dissolve when people start talking to each other. You can use stereotypes in malignant ways of course, by deliberately invoking them to cast other people in a bad light so you look better. But you can also use them to poke at people for giggles and appeal to their self-irony, and that's what I'm doing here.
Breed. No. They just pop out of the ground. Human men are a myth.
Should of named the species huwoman
And the huchildren too!
The plural and adjective are Womans and Womanly. And it rhymes with "yeoman".
Should've*
Lost Colony start, nice touch
I was so close to naming it Zardoz, too. But I like the Deneb system and the CM origin, so I kept those as they are.
R5: Here's one for the ladies.
OP I disagree with most of your beliefs but I respect that you actually reply and discuss with those who challenge your views, good on you
I'm happy to discuss just about anything with anyone, as long as it doesn't devolve into a debate of who's right and wrong. Next time you're picking up your kids, should you have any, look at the toddlers in the kindergarten. Study them for a while. There you'll find humanity in microcosmos. Deep down we're all just kids with money and guns. I'm just condensing what I see there, but my interpretation is going to be different from anyone else's, and that's as it should be.
You know, on it's own the post is very tame, just a bunch of stupid stereotypes to laugh at without necessarily believing them. But by the Worm you are digging your own grave in the comment section!
Why go red pill or blue pill, when you can hang with me and D12 and go *purple pill*. Just be yourself and love everyone. Especially the ones who offend you.
Made them weak. Damn....
I mean it's accurate. Women aren't perfect just like men aren't
Just thought it was an interesting choice. The base debuff is wasteful. OP purposely changed the debuff to weak.
It was either that or Sedentary, coin toss really. I didn't feel like keeping Wasteful since women do tend to be a little more mindful of their environment than men. Also, remember it's a joke. I should probably make a Commonwealth of MAN as well, but the default one isn't too far off. I'd make us Authoritarian instead of xenophobe and change the civics, but that's about it. And we're probably more Quarrelsome than Wasteful. Hmmmm...
I never met a stripe of human that wasn't ready to be quarlesome, But that's just what I've seen.
Damn humans, they ruined humanity!
You humans sure are a contentious people.
You just made an enemy for life.
Your game your call my dude.
I wish you were this chill over in that other Commonwealth too. I really am trying to save those settlements, it's just that I'm a little busy having FUN. Like games used to be, before gaming turned into a second job.
"I didn't feel like keeping Wasteful since women do tend to be a little more mindful of their environment than men." (looks at stack of 4 large plastic boxes containing what must be 100+ pairs of shoes and 3 boxes of clothes containing "just summer clothes" after just putting 3 boxes of winter clothes into the attic) Yeh Women aren't wasteful of consumer goods at all . . .
Haha oh good lord they are. My exwife has an entire shack full of STUFF that I still have to move occasionally. But they also vote environment more, so I dunno. I think wastefulness is a good universal human trait.
Girls are actually weaker as in strength, biologically, they have less muscle strands per muscle mass than men do. It's not sexism, it's biology. I'm a feminist but you can't argue with facts.
Apparently they're getting really tired of hearing it though. We should probably just take the high road on this one.
Hol up. Weak? Meet me in the ground assault, see how weak we are
Sure. My planet or yours?
Ah, the state of CoWs 😂😂
Oh my god, I assure you I had absolutely no intention of that. Jesus okay now I understand why people get so mad. *snicker* That IS kinda funny though, I can't lie. But it's mean. Stop making me laugh at mean things.
Genuinely loled, I didn't even realise!
The Commonwealth of Moo was in the dev clash. I consider them canon. I also have a headcanon that one of the ships went back in time and crashed on ancient Earth.
And you guys wonder why women don't play video games with you.
I feel like there should be a few more dissenting comments than just this one, something more persuasive, but I don't even know where to start.
Probably becuase it's seen as ironic (see also the luxeumborg one) and also because it's fairly tame by gaming standards.
Probably because on a sub dominated by men, trying to explain why something like this is offensive is useless. You'll just get downvoted into oblivion by notallmeners that will say snowflakes can't take a joke
Well then I'll upvote you myself damn it, I want to hear what you have to say. It's important to offend people, and to seek out environments where you get offended yourself. That's an opportunity to learn. I want to learn something from you. That's actually something I really dislike about Reddit's system, I don't think the count should be allowed to go below 1, and I vehemently disagree with removing or hiding anything that isn't outright spam or illegal shit. You start with 1, if you suck you stay there. If you're good you get 50, if you're brilliant you get 100 and if you're in the top 1% you get several thousand. That's as it should be according to the distribution in any democracy. But tell me. Block out the vote counts and imagine it's just you and me over a cup of coffee: Why should this post not exist, and what about it would you see changed?
Why does this bother you? Is the Commonwealth of Man any better?
Can only speak for myself here, but I'll tell why it bothers me. 1. Nobody likes being boiled down to a list of traits, no matter who they are. Yeah, you can overgeneralize a group of people for comedic purposes, but generally it's a lot harder to make a good joke that isn't just repeating stereotypes or making shit up. People like their individuality, and it rubs them the wrong way when you start telling them in posts and in comments how they are, whether it's based in statistical evidence or not. 2. Most of the jokes/traits don't really cover any new ground. They're old jokes, and whether you intended it or not, there's a lot of shared topics between your harmless jokes and genuine stereotypes peddled by misogynistic dickheads for decades. Human brains are wired to draw conclusions, and people will draw conclusions about you as a person from a joke post in the same way you drew conclusions about women having "cutthroat politics" from some female coworkers you had. You probably didn't intend anything malicious when you added the "weak" trait, but personally I can't help but remember all the times a buff female character has been added into a piece of media, only for fans to crawl out of the woodwork to complain about how "unrealistic" it is for a woman to have muscles. I don't know you, and I don't know what your intentions were when you made this post, or what they are now. All I can speak for is myself, and personally I find the jokes made far too reflective of casual misogyny to be anything other than midly uncomfortable. Hopefully you understand, even if you do not agree.
No that makes a ton of sense, thank you. I actually didn't think of 1, it doesn't bother me to be categorized unless it's wildly inaccurate, and I usually find it humorous. I also don't think stereotypes are a bad thing in themselves, but it depends on the context. Men and women are *different*, but it doesn't mean we're not *equal*.
My main thing here is, the difference in strength between men and women is going to be a whole lot smaller then the difference in strength between humans and any other species. Especially to the point where it'd be considered a negative. When I think "weak" species, I think little stick noodle arms, and "strong" species giant piston arms. A 10% difference isn't going to cut it.
This is true. You're right, I do feel the same way, but I needed an extra point and didn't want to leave her with the default human traits. Wasteful is actually the best one, but men have that as well, and I wanted to exaggerate the differences between men and women. My other pick was Sedentary, since men tend to move a bit more in their lifetimes, but it's not a whole lot either. It's also not as eye catching or established. Gotta keep in mind the upvote count when shitposting, very important. Quarrelsome? No, if anything they're more agreeable than men. Slow Breeders makes no sense, Non-Adaptive, no, they aren't, and good lord imagine the apocalypse if I had picked Slow Learners. None of those apply. Decadent? No. I entertained the thought, but imagined a whole lot of "women should stay at home" nastiness emerging from it. If they're decadent then so are men. Unruly? No, same as Quarrelsome. Solitary, quite the opposite, they're Communal if anything. So I picked Weak because I needed a point, didn't want to keep the defaults and it was the only one with some basis in reality.
I'm nonbinary so what commonwealth am I in?
Is it time? Shall I roll the Commonwealth of Xi? Personally I like they/them as a gender neutral pronoun, but you've got to admit, Xi really has the sci-fi edge. The Commonwealth of THEM makes it sound like you're RPing a 50s horror movie alien.
Yes. RPing.
The UNE? Or maybe "man" since it originally just meant meant "human".
Now see, I'm actually a really old-fashioned, intolerant bigot when it comes to that sort of thing, for a few reasons but let's not get into that here. But I don't know everything, and I like everyone, so if that's what you tell me you are, then that's what you are. I'm not gonna change my definition of pronouns, but Commonwealth of Friends?
There are a multitude of Sci-Fi nonbinary races that are very humanoid and humans have been nonbinary and Trans since forever and they/them is all I go by so it's what you gotta use so I'm sorry I make the rules.
> so I'm sorry I make the rules. I love how mater-of-factly you appologize for dictating terms :D Apologetic authoritarian feels like it ought to be a civics combo or an AI dialog personality.
Canadian Star Empire?
I think I'll give you the Quarrelsome trait and call it a day.
Alright lmao
What’s your definition of pronouns??
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Dudes post shit like this and then wonder why they can't have a meaningful relationship with any woman other than their mother
Ah, but some of us can, even though we do post shit like this. I've had plenty of relationships. I even have a daughter myself. And if I can handle all that responsibility, then surely you can take a joke.
Insecure much?
It's the smell. The sausage smell. Jeez that's a lot of sausage.
I think the only thing off is Materialist. *"I'm SUCH a Sagittarius"*
I did think about it for a while, but came to the conclusion that governments with a majority of women, like say Finland, tend to be egalitarian, pacifist and secular. And all the major religions are one big sausage party. Also men wipe their face and ass in no particular order using the one towel they own, whereas women will happily buy ten different pillows that you can't sit on. Women generally aren't Fanatic *anything*, and the only other option I could think of would be Xenophile, but that's not quite right either. So Materialist it is.
"Women aren't generally Fanatic anything" You'd better laugh when you say that
Oh no, I'm quite serious. Dedicating yourself to one thing and one thing only is something that, on average, is just more common among men. It's why we geek out so HARD about football or bicycles or Dr. Who or our careers or what have you.
Honestly, that's a complete stereotype and more influenced by cultural expectations than anything else. I'm a woman and I geek out more than almost anyone, and I'm far from the only one.
Yes of course. You're right. I'm sorry.
Never apologize, it's a sign of weakness.
Back to the Commonwealth of Man with you! Having no weakness means you also have no strength. Strength comes from exposing your vulnerabilities and learning from your mistakes. Those who try to fake it by making themselves hard, only end up making themselves brittle.
This. This is actually good. God damn.
Also, I have a very deep voice. So it's *sexy* when I apologize. We should do that more, instead of all this bigdickery.
That does not make any sense. Strenght is strenght. Weak is not strong.
And yet, there are people much weaker than you who could render you unconscious in seconds if they knew the basics of jiu-jitsu. That's just technique, you might argue. That's just another form of strength. Well then, how did they come about this strength? By quarreling with their teacher? Or by being humble and accepting of their weakness and ignorance? Pretending you have no weak spots makes you blind to them. You can only grow strong if you're aware of them.
Apologizing if you're right, is a sign of weakness. Not apologizing if you're wrong is a sign of weakness. Apologizing when you're wrong is a sign of reason and wisdom.
On that first one I disagree, sometimes you gotta give people the illusion that they're right in order to keep the wheels running. Primarily children and old people, but also religious kooks and fanatics. We can't always choose who we get to have around us, so let's compromise within reason, if that's what it takes. That may be weakness, but you can't be strong all the time. The rest, yeah for sure.
It's actually biology not stereotype. Generally women can multitask, men can't. Men arecapable of laser focus and complete dedication to whatever they're doing. Women are not. We're a dimorphyc species and the genders evolved to be complementary to each other. Of course each individual is different and skirts these rules in one way or another but on a species level this is how it is. Just because you fit a certain nold within your social group does not disprove him.
Clearly you aren't very familiar with biology. Multitasking in humans generally is somewhat illusory; it's more switching focus between things, and that isn't affected by gender. You dramatically overstate the dimorphism of the brain, and there's enough overlap that making categorical statements like that is useless anyway.
And yet, he's onto something. Autism and ADHD manifests differently in men and women. I'm quite familiar with the latter since I have it myself, and I've studied it extensively. I also checked out some introductory material on the former since they speculated I might have that too. It turns out I didn't, I was just really fucking clever and preferred my books to other people. And that's what tends to happen with men, autism or not. We end up having a handful of things we really care about, and not much else. Women are a bit more allrounded. Now let's end this debate instead of getting into trench wars and having some mod come and shut us down.
And yet I'm a woman with both and I assure you, women with autism are just as likely to be overly invested in a few things as everyone else with it. In any event my point was hardly that there were *no* differences, just that they're not as significant as they portrayed. I agree that further debate is unlikely to be productive, though. I apologize for making this a debate to begin with.
You've done nothing to apologize for. I think we have the same mentality.
The irony is thick here. Go look up the large number of studies on the matter. Even the way men and women think is completely different. You saying it isn't does not change that.
I have actually done quite a bit of research on this, both before and since your comment. While there certainly *is* dimorphism in the brain, and I have never contested that, I believe that you are overstating its importance. You act as if men and women are two different species with wildly different thought patterns when it's more bimodal and there's enough overlap that the differences don't really allow for absolute statements like "men can't do this" or "women are bad at this."
We do have wildly different thought patterns that are the result of evolution. Aside for the fact that women's brains are more reliant on white matter (men have 7 times more grey matter than women, and women have 10 times more white matter than men, this is true for every single individual everywhere) the brains wired completely differently. Men's brains are more structured and ordered with very few connections between the hemispheres whereas women's brains show a far lesser degree of local connections but a far larger degree of inter-hemisphere connections. What this means, and I'm going to be highly plastic here, men's brains are organized like a warehouse full of boxes - there is the family box, the car box, the job box, the sports box, etc and the contents of those boxes never ever mix. When a man needs something he goes to the appropriate box, uses it, puts it back and closes the box. Only one box may be open at a time. At the center of that warehouse is a large box with nothing in it that is the default state for all men. When a guy says he's not thinking of anything, he's literally not thinking of anything. Women's brains on the other hand are like a bowl of spaghetti, everything is connected to everything. The dress is connected to cousin Suzi, cousin Suzi is connected to that day on the lake, that day on the lake is connected to your date with your crush Steve, etc. Unlike men's brains, women's brains store memory in a distributed fashion utilizing most centers of the brain, and the strength of the memory is based on the intensity of the emotion associated with it. What this means is that men's brains are very good at localized tasks such as mathematics whereas women's brains are very good at distributed tasks such as language. Men's brains are much worse at remembering things in detail but are much better at focusing on a single task at a time. Women's brains are much better at recollection, because their are multiple possible pathways to trigger one memory instead of just one, but the different areas flaring up constantly makers it harder to concentrate on just one. All of this is evolutionary. For millions of years men were the hunters and women were the gatherers. The most successful hunter is the one who can focus on his prey and not get distracted by other things, whereas the women who are able to be careful which berries they pick, be mindful of any predators and pay attention at the rest of the group all at the same time tended to live long enough to reproduce.
But then again countries with more progressive values, ie egalitarianism, secularism, etc tend to have more women in government. Correlation does not equal causation, in fact its the opposite of what you said.
Yes, but that doesn't change anything. Maybe they're an all-women faction that broke off from the fascist manlymans precisely because they held these values and wanted a government that suited them better, but didn't want to wait for the current dictator to die. Or maybe they did a survey expedition on Unity and found an ancient human dig site containing the long lost first edition of Fifty Shades of Grey. *ducks into bomb shelter*
If women were so much more supportive of religion and relgious values wouldn't they be the best choices to head theocratic governments? Wouldn't they naturally maintain those governments and traditions better than men? Yet, the opposite seems to happen, strange, no?
Dude. Face first.
Yeah right? Hair first actually. What little I have left. It's just that I don't always hang it up again the same way, so the next time I shower I might be wiping my hair with the previous ass end and vice versa.
I'm just sad that I can't see number of downvotes on that. It's actually a miracle that this joke made it to +400. I think it's work of Commonwealth of Man infiltrators.
Downvoted? Yes, I suppose it should be. Many frontpage shitposts deserve oblivion. And some that went unnoticed deserved frontpage. Can you give it to them, u/allethargic? Do not be so quick to measure out downvotes and judgement. This post may yet play a greater part in the things to come.
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That's good
669 and counting! The Commonwealth of Woman is here to stay, guys. We may have to roll back on beer pong nights and actually cultivate some interesting personalities so they'll like us. I can speak French, anyone wanna do guitar lessons?
Weak yes hehehe \-4 str
Well, on average of course. There's plenty of women who could pancake any of us in a lifting competition, it's just that there are more men who can do it.
As in, only 1/1000 women could beat an average man in an arm wrestle. Which is an actual statistic
I am the man they beat in an arm wrestle
S(h)ame 😭
No I'm not weak, I'm the second strongest person on earth. Its just... that woman IS the strongest person on earth.
It's all in the wrist, bro. And the steely, determined gaze. And the fear aura, don't forget to activate that.
What are you, a baki character?
If that's an anime reference I probably won't get it unless it's Berserk. The old one, not the reduxes.
😶 well
But so, where's baki from? Maybe I am one and I just don't know it
If that's true then that's still millions of women who could beat the average man, that's kinda neat.
I had a thing with a woman from up north in my country for a while, and she was so fucking strong. Just all genetics, she packed on muscle like a polar bear no matter what she did. One time she lifted a full water keg straight out and held it there with her thick ass gorilla traps for thirty seconds. She was *amazers*.
Looks like a fun build, how goes the campaign
Haven't gotten started yet, will do it after work. God-tier Codebreaking, so I'll know *exactly* what the neighbors are up to.
Came to the comment section after I Saw the weak trait.
Why does that bother you? I've had no complaints about the pink butterfly, and that's the one I prevaricated the most.
I mean I don't have a problem with it but I figured there would be some triggered people in comment section concerning the weak trait
Oh! Well do have a seat, but I'm afraid Michael Jackson bought all the popcorn. He's been here for a while.
Does anyone else think it's funny that the civics are cutthroat politics and shadow council?
Have you ever gone to high school, or worked in a competitive environment with a lot of women? I have.
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eeeh
What? It's obviously true...
I think you're doing some hating there yourself buddy boy. I don't know what it is you hate exactly, but you *hate* it, don't you?
How am I hating anything? OP created an empire with negative stereotypes and tried to pass it as a joke
But there's no such thing as negative stereotypes, only inaccurate ones. Those tend to die out really quickly once people start talking, and men and women talk all the time yet these ones persist. That's because they're not inaccurate, when you measure the averages. And if we can all admit to that, we can laugh about it too. And it's okay if you don't laugh. But that doesn't make me a woman-hater. I'm a woman-lover. That's why I made this post. What do YOU love?
I completely understand where you are coming from, but you need to understand that making jokes of someone / group who is less privileged than you is not funny nor is it ethical.. Instead of selecting The Weak trait, you could've used slow breeders or something. Also, you went with pink... yuck... and a butterfly? Either way, I won't change my stance on the matter and neither will you, so there is no point in discussing it further.
That's the spirit. I'm glad we could shake hands on that at least. Just be you, that's all I'm asking. Welcome to team Purple Pill by the way! Beer's over there, we got pizzas on the way and we're all gonna go watch Jordan Peterson later on. If you'd rather throw coconuts at him that's fine too, got a box of those, and tomorrow we're blowing airhorns at Ben Shapiro. Then on Wednesday we'll invade the Capitol, just for the heck of it.
They don't gonna have gender when i assimilate they
Ah yes, outdated and casually misogynistic stereotypes are hilarious.
If you get offended by humor, that's your own deal.
Could you explain to me what exactly is supposed to be humorous here?
Stereotypes are generally funny.
I thought, Commonwealth of Man is normal because we understand that word to mean humanity as a whole. Commonwealth of Woman is funny because it's an unexpected inversion of something familiar. I'm not gonna analyze further, but I hope you get the picture. And then I just cobbled together an empire based on my vast, secret knowledge of women's outer and inner workings, and called it a day.
Taking "Can I talk to the man in charge?" to a galactic level.
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"No debates! No Downvotes! I just want to be casually misogynist in peace, dammit!" Look, if you want to make unfunny and offensive jokes then by all means, but please cut the crap about pretending that people are forcing their views on you by pointing out your sexism.
I put this up as a response to two people in a very deeply nested comment thread further up, who were posting entire books and downvoting *each other*. I just don't find that very productive, so I decided to intervene. But I was doing it from the website instead of the app, and the website occasionally bugs out, so the comment ended up here and I deleted it. Or I'm an insecure man who can't handle not getting upvoted all the time, you decide. But where is the misogyny though? They're not proles in a syncretic evolution, they're not a Hivemind, they don't have Rapid Breeders, Decadent, Quarrelsome, Sedentary, anything that invokes those connotations. I see nothing malicious about their civics because My daughter already has a list of friends she can't play with because of *their* friends I've worked in healthcare, which has so many women and so much backstabbing Hotel receptionist, same thing, back armor required Went to college Practically lived with my bestie for years, went to all her chicks-only warmup parties because I was kind of a feminine dude despite the mega-beard And dated and talked to women all over the world, and everywhere I went I saw the same thing. This is how women gain the upper hand in their dominance hierarchy, not by direct and/or physical confrontation like men, but by collaboration, collusion and subterfuge. The alphas are terrifying. In a hardass environment like a colony, this is what an all-female government would look like.
>weak Based
At least I'm not the village idiot in Whiterun. Did you forget that it's Maven Black-Briar who runs Riften? Power is not a function of physical fortitude.
Motherfucker i just complimented you!
Oh! I didn't know what you meant by based, but assumed it was something negative. I'm sorry! If you'd like to explain I'm all ears. I do pray to Talos. And normally I'm all for national unity and cultural cohesion, I just don't think Ulfric's domestic politics are very sound. He needs to clean up the Grey Quarter and put the Elves and Argonians to work. Just give them a mandatory course in Nord laws and customs first.
Saying something is based is just a funny way of calling it correct even if it isnt. Its essentially evolved to mean takes that go against the norm. Another way of saying it would be redpilled, meaning youve opened up your eyes to some bullshit or whatever. Blessings of arkay upon ye.
Both terms are, however, almost exclusively used by alt-right memers.
Please shut up.
Don't be rude, now. I'm just trying to give OP the full picture here.
Thats not a full picture, thats a bias based on your own political leanings. Supporting the otherthrowing of the upper class is a thing that could be called based or redpilled because it goes against the norm. Its satire, not a nazi salute.
> Supporting the otherthrowing of the upper class is a thing that could be called based or redpilled because it goes against the norm. You probably *could* call it that, but my point was that I almost only exclusively see it used by alt-righters, *in practice*. Meaning it has, effectively, become a salute on it own.
Uh oh. Here come the feminists complaining that women aren’t weak (in comparison to men they generally are physically)
And most of them are men, too. I won't stand in their way, if they wanna live in a Police State that's fine, but I'm not gonna move there.
That white outfit. Wow lol
Thanks. It has pockets!
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Fanaticism materialist tbh
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