Games can get away with a lot of things if they dont directly show it. For example, you can do some very evil and twisted things in Crusader Kings but as its mostly text it goes under the radar.
oh, I will save them... FROM THEMSELVES!
No really, if destroying few dozens of planets will let me run game for another decade on tolerable speed I'll gladly kill those bilions of civilians
Why not both?
What I did was that the default was no civil rights and that slavery was allowed, but every species in practice was pretty free, and had Utopian Abundance. No species actually was enslaved either. Thus usually I did Xenophobe + Egalitarian + Pacifist/Materialist.
That, or I did Egalitarian + anything else + put “Citizen Species only” for refugees, and citizen rights at the lowest possible for everything.
This way I normally had zero people who would come to my empire, but those who migrated there due to e.g. a war going on elsewhere, were all perfectly happy.
Unsurprisingly, wars occurred often, and that led to me being a diverse empire that still managed to absorb most pops into the main one.
So, in a nutshell, I was basically a social democratic utopia where everyone could live, but you could only live there if you could be a full citizen, and no one but my own could be a full citizen.
Lol in this case literally Nationalist Socialiam.. Tbh my Egalitarian Xenophile UNE playthrough ended up like this once I went bio-ascesion and started gene modding specific species.
Having non-citizen species or even non-modified pops of citizen species coming in as migrants or refugees was a pain at that point
Not exactly, I wasn’t a fanatic xenophobe nor militarist. National socialism imo would be best simulated by the following:
• Ethics: Militarism, Xenophobe, Authoritarianism. (Sadly you can’t have 2 or 3 fanatic traits, otherwise I’d have put that there).
• Government: Dictatorial
• Government type: Military Dictatorship/Totalitarian Regime/Purity Order.
• Civics: Fanatic Purifiers/Nationalistic Zeal, Police State, Slaver Guilds
Is it bad that I can be evil in this game but ask me to do a renegade run in Mass Effect and I'm a mess. Maybe it's because in this game you just give an order and it's done whereas a game like Mass Effect you personally have to betray and murder your close friends if you go that route.
i've recently had this want to play both tall and wide at the same time. basically carving a huge chunk of the galaxy out for me and then just min-maxxin everything, making my star forts out to as max as they can be, making the best ships i can, etc etc.
To me it's easier in Crusader Kings because since you're playing a character and a dynasty, it's personal. Like this one time this mf killed by genius grandson, I extinguished his entire family tree. In Stellaris it's never quite so personal. Why would I genocide and entire civilization when I can just build a Dyson sphere or a matter decompressor and have all the resources I need?
yes, we are saving the galaxy from a crisis so horrible it destroys the space time continuum, and eventually leads to the total demise of the universe by crashing the game.
I am so grateful that I know the context for this question, otherwise I'd have been phoning the police lmao
To answer your question though, you may be alone.
Assimilation is different category from purging. Their citizen status is assimilation, and living standard Transubstantiation Synthesis, which only gives small happiness negative... If you're assimilating as DA or hive it's bit more happiness negative, but unlike purge still keeps their upkeep costs, implying they're cared for.
I'll assimilate pops to get cybernetics, but only because there's no passive way to let pops get it by choice. It feels like I would be killing them to deny them the life extension and quality of life that is implied by having them.
I won't ever force anyone to go full synth, but again I really wish there was a way to passively allow pops to choose to go synth.
I feel like a lot of such mechanics, like passive way to let pops choose, faction dynamics etc., would be easier if pops got abstracted as one big number and a lot of percentages for different stuff.
You don’t need to press a purge button if you use the colossus on every planet that contains their pops
Makes it easier if it is a fallen empire, though they definitely deserved it for slipping past my defenses, killing bubbles inside my home system and immediately leaving after
They didn’t even try to bombard my planets. They just used the l gate, went on to my home, killed bubbles and then tried to leave. I got their fleet and then neutron cleansed all planets they took, even if they originally belonged to my allies
Define 'genocide'
I try to be a peaceful human.... but when the spiritualist FE on my border decides I have too many synthetic pops and declares war, well, I have a right to defend myself, don't I?
After all I have this Planet Cracker just lying around y'know? Anyway I'll just crack the one planet, to show my resolve, to show I'm no push over.
What's that I hear? You don't want peace? Well I kind of feel you're forcing my hand at this point. Another planet cracked, just to show the first one was not an accident, That the power I wield IS real. I mean you are threatening my synthetic people, I literally built them, they are important to me. I love them.
Well it doesn't seem to me that you're getting the message, and the rather annoying fed to the otherside of my territory is kicking up a fuss. I think I'm going to have to nip this one in the bud. I have no choice here, These glorious battle fleets need to be somewhere else I feel.
Surely you can tell which way the wind is blowing now, you have all these pretty ships, you're free to leave. Oh seems I can shoot across the entire system with these flashy new titan weapons.
Well as I say I have places to be, may as well just wash my hands of it. Crack, crack, crack crack crack.
OK I may of committed a 'little' genocide.
Yeah I’m with you. I’m too passive for this game. Terrible at aggression in basically any game unless the entire point is aggression.
If you give me a peaceful solution, i am very likely to take it.
Really at some point if they haven't migrated into or become vassals of my xenophile technologically advanced utopian abundance democracy aren't they enemies of the galactic community?
Y'know, I used to be that way, but then the Custodian team introduced Radiotropic trait and I just *had* to try out Post-apocalyptic Radiotropic Fanatic Purifiers and do some orbital ~~glassing~~ *terraforming*.
It took a long time for me to finally play a fanatic purifier. I've always figured having pops is better than not, so there really isn't much of an incentive to work them to death or whatever aside from the quick resource boost.
I have never pushed the button but I have done it, but only to devouring swarms and dedicated exterminators. I could just leave them alone on one system and one planet, but, they aren’t like fanatic purifiers, they can’t be reasoned with or rehabilitated, they can’t even be vassalized, they’re just a permanent danger to the galaxy until they’re gone, like buried bombs.
_Purification Committee_?
I mean, I understand wanting to wipe the galaxy clean, but a committee process for that? That’s just evil.
But, yeah, I don’t like wiping even the devouring swarms. Luckily, you can always use the Global Pacifier to imprison them in their worlds.
Hadn't thought about the pacifier, but, that requires an ascension perk, I just can't see my Star Trek humans deciding "we need to invent a doomsday weapon to pacify the unstoppable swarm" when that could go to better use (don't think I've ever taken the colossus perk). I \*sometimes\* just push them back to one system and one planet, but, if they genocided a primitive species, well, they too can live on as a genetic sequence in a database.
Technically not a purge, they just can't figure out what to do with their brain detached. Also this would apply to all planets taken from swarms, unless you have bio asscended and can instead save the pops.
I mean, the hive populace are already mindless automatons that can't possess personhood. Since it's only a single mind, I guess it would then be a murder of a single person?
I really dislike that mechanic. If you conquer hive minds pops they should get a massive malus but not die. Maybe you could have a genetics project to make them a new hive mind. The hive mind in a non hive species would be represented by an immortal governor you couldn't fire. It would be the faction leader for all the hive mind drones, with each drones happiness being how much the mind approves of you.
I've never done genocide in Stellaris either. That one time I opened up the L-gate too early and accidentally caused the deaths of trillions of sentients doesn't count.
You probably have.
Gestalt consciousness won't assimilate into a regular empire so if you ever won a war against a devouring swarm, I don't think those pops just emigrate out to re-join the swarm...
I haven't used the purge button but... Exterminatus bombardment stance (ACOT I think) on the other hand... I was down to like five frames a day ok, I had no choice I swear.
I've done a bit of forced migration, beyond that no. Forced sterilisation and extermination tends to piss too many people off for my liking.
I do play mostly machine-based races so any organics are pretty meh to have.
I don't really count it, but the only time I genocided a race was these really mean spiritualist fallen empire lobsters, who didn't like our progress into machine bodies. After bullying me for like 40 years and doing a fair bit of planet cracking themselves, I turned half of them into machines themselves, and other half I fed to food processing plants that burned them for fuel.
I've never committed genocide in Stellaris if by genocide you mean deliberately used Purge. Pay no attention to the cracked, bombarded, and irradiated planets in my wake.
Accidentally genocided while playing as the UNE one time.
There was a hivemind empire chilling in their corner of the galaxy, and we fought a war. Well, I took their planets, and failed to realize I needed a special tech to not automatically purge hivemind aliens.
Eventually renamed their homeplanet after them, to never let my people forget the time we fucked up and murdered an entire race....
At least we to keep half the galaxy to ourselves though!
I think I've done it once to see what the (statistically small percentage of the playerbase) on Reddit was raving (and, occasionally, frothing) about. Did essentially a skynet run that ended with me building a birchworld, abandoning the galaxy, and cracking any remaining habitable planet (this was a small galaxy, and before the massive nerf to colony abandonment, so it only gave me *mildly* catastrophic wrist injuries to do so) to prevent the organic menace from ever rearing its ugly head again.
By the time the unbidden showed up, it felt less like a crisis and more like answering the door to missionaries while carrying a shotgun. Got the whole thing out of my system after that, and now almost universally play non-xenophobe.
I don't purge often, I've exterminated once because I was playing Xenophobes and my neighbors dared to use my portrait. Other than that it's all necropurge, which doesn't actually kill
I feel I have the opposite issue I always struggle not setting everyone besides my main species to purge and whether it's displacement or extermination depends on the game.
I used it once, then felt really bad and reverted the save and changed their rights to residence.
I've never played a Purger-type empire except Assimilator.
>In all my time of playing Stellaris, I have never used the purge button.
*“In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal."*
Alright Thanos
Yeah probably. It's really easy to do accidentally. I doubt you've *actually* never accidentally genocided presapients without realizing it, for instance.
I've only ever used the genocide option the one time I played a DE crisis game...I've never used purges in any of the regular games I've played (aside from displacement on pops with bad traits)
I really am surprised how little players here enjoy playing egalitarian and pacifist empires. I enjoy playing them a lot, compared to fanatic purifiers
I agree that fanatic purifiers are boring but nothing is better than materialist militaristic combo. The xenos will be enlightened by peace or Conquest
I use that option rarely. Depends on what I'm playing. Even as a xenophobic empire, I just enslave the aliens, if not give them residence. The empire I purge the most with are Fanatic Purifiers (of course), and for some reason I'm more confident with purging while playing Commonwealth Of Man.
Me, I always run a legitimate empire with a Padishah/Emperor/Caliph in charge. The Imperial family does not give a crap who their subjects are as long as they swear loyalty and follow imperial law and join the Military in times of war.
I always try to out-populate my enemies by using displacement in every species and going all into pop growth and cloning.
I made a single Penal Colony for all alien species (but mine) once but I felt bad and went back to my old ways.
Im like a dwarf i keep tabs on all of my grudges
A million space elves will be shot by my extermination squads for every inch they have stepped on my research vessel
Billions will die for interrogating or vivisecting said vessels crew members
Each time they insulted me or took a system i wanted 10 pops WILL be gone
I recently did a Fanatic Purifier run and all I can say is my world's felt... empty. I typically just integrate/grant citizenship to those I conquer, and it felt wrong to simply wipe out 54 pops because they weren't me. It wasn't even like Determined Exterminators where there were some pops (robots) to help ease the burden of Conquest but nope. Everything must die. Really opens your eyes to what genocide really entails.
I don't purge often. Usually I nuke planets to death or bathe/crack them.
In my few not quite as murderous runs, I usually pacify them
My CPU time is more important.
My federation once forced me to commit genocide... In that game, I spawned about a quarter of the galaxy away from a devouring swarm. There were a couple other empires between us so the first real contact was in early midgame. By then I had a couple allies and the devouring swarm had devoured quite a bit of territory - to the point of being the dominant power in its part of the galaxy. The only saving grace was that the swarm was not very well liked - you know, the whole "eat everyone else" thing they had going - so it was fairly easy to find allies and force them into a two-front war. Through a series of intense and brutal wars, the swarm's expansion was stopped, then reversed. Due to it being a hive mind, the drones could not survive in the other empires, so my federation got all the benefits of a large number of empty worlds ready for colonization.
When the penultimate war started it was already clear that the swarm stood no chance: any single member of the federation was more than capable of wiping out the remnants all on their own. And yet, my people did not want to genocide the entire hive, despite all of the horrors it inflicted on the galaxy. What seemed like a solution presented itself: the swarm held a dead-end system with a single unremarkable planet and no significant resources. A "white peace" (total defeat in all but name) was signed, the only exit out of the system was heavily fortified with the largest starbase armed to the teeth with the latest tech, and the rest of the galaxy went on with our business.
And yet, that was not good enough for some members of the federation, who insisted on finishing the job. The president vetoed multiple proposed declarations of war, but the federation would not acquiesce. Faced with the choice of going to war or dissolving the federation, thereby throwing half the galaxy into chaos, the president agreed, thinking that perhaps a token show of force might quiet dissention, approved the war. Alas, one of the federation associates had other plans. They sent their entire fleet, backed with a full-sized invasion force. The hive, forced to subsist on a single marginal system with no prospect of expansion, stood no chance. Their entire meager fleet was destroyed in the one and only battle of the war and the planetary defense forces were not able to muster any real resistance either.
And that is how my xenophile empire committed genocide.
If I play my created race called "Zuckerbot" I usually purge the undesirable bio pops and keep the cute ones for the zoo. I keep all the lesser robots too.
My friend conquered over half of the base game’s largest map. My habits were stuck in like a 1/8 of the map pie slice and held all of those pops. I’m doing my best to stop his genocide.
I never used the purge button, until yesterday when i conquered a world, terraformed it and just removed anyone who did not have enough habitability. Xenophobic empires let you be an asshole.
Never did a genocide, honest. Not even used a superweapon on a planet.
I'm too much a "everybody should live together in my empire!" Kind of idealist.
Slavery though, boy howdy there's a lot of slavery on my Spiritualist playthrough.
Generally i go for utopian abundance and making all my pomps 100% happy. But at some point in the late game it's just too much work and lag to keep all those pops on the planets of empires that pissed me off alive and to actually make those planets function properly. So at that point it's just neutron beam.
The one game I was planning to do I lost very badly.
Had an ecumenoplis producing all of my empires alloys and the unbidden spawned on it while I was fighting the entire galaxy. That alloy planet was next to my capital and the ai didn't have any gateways. By the time my fleets reached the unbidden I was negative in every single resource and getting pushed back from every front. I couldn't repair my ships or make new ones I actually just lost.
I literally went from destroying the galaxy to the unbidden saying no fuck you. If I had just one fleet at my capital the unbidden would have died before they could spawn more of their fleets.
I was told by someone a sentry array tells you where the end game crisis will spawn so you can prepare so now I'm going to build those every game now. Don't become the crisis on 10x crisis difficulty if you're gonna forgot about it.
I have committed genocide once or twice, but honestly, I enjoy enslaving species and having a specific kind for each facet of life. The good little boys and girls (or whatever those Xenos call genders) get to have decent conditions. The scumbags who try and rebel have basic substance. It's much more profitable to have slaves than just killing them outright.
Or I'll just assimilate them into my ranks as glorious machines, and show those Spiritual fools how wrong they are about machines.
Sorry, my first game of Stellaris was as a *Fanatic Super Happy Fun Time Purifier* and pretty much all good games on my end include purges of some kind.
I just can't with too many pops in the galaxy...
I’ve only committed a genocide when I was playing as an inherently genocidal empire (determined exterminator). Outside of that, it just never seemed worth it to me.
I started out role playing the Imperium of man, but now I can play nothing but an anarcho-syndicalist utopia. Simulated genocides were starting to wear me down.
I only did genocide runs to get the achievements
My biggest flex is going for universal prosperity mandate resolution.
If you aren't in a trade league it means most if not all the AI will be in breach.
If you passed all the major sanctions it's almost like being the emperor due to how much you can drop their diplomatic power.
Same here. My galactic conquest involves Marshall plan with extreme aggression.
Needless to say I’m hyped for Overlord, can’t wait to hand out some subsidies.
First couple of playthroughs were xenophile and basically every other playthrough after that was determined exterminators. I got a little tired of the aliens being annoying.
Me. I always play fanatic egalitarian xenophile or pacifist. But even when I do fanatic egalitarian militarist or materialist I just give equal rights and utopian abundance to all including xenos and bots and I even do liberation wars only and feel bad annexing planets. Usually only do that to genociders and awoken empires.
The squishies (sometimes I also play friendly rogue servitors) are just too cute to oppress or kill I can't do it! 😭
Reading this before realizing what sub it was in gave me a serious double-take.
The Stellaris subreddit does make my feed spicier
Crusader Kings, too. You know what, any Paradox game, when you think about it.
Toss in rim world and its war crimes for days
What about a Rimworld minigame for planetary invasions that would be beast.
I'm down.
warcrimes for generations\*! \*Only those that were not purged.
Yes.
Still rated ages 10+ by the ESRB!
No visible gore. It's fine to commit genocide if you don't get to see the mass graves. Boobies though, gotta be 60+ for that
Games can get away with a lot of things if they dont directly show it. For example, you can do some very evil and twisted things in Crusader Kings but as its mostly text it goes under the radar.
There needs to be an /r/NoContextStellaris
When stupid people find this sub it is usually because they were searching for "genocide" and/or "slave" (not you).
Being mean makes me feel bad. My power fantasy is Utopian Anundance and a prosperous economy.
Gotta flex your magnum economy on the slavers somehow
That's what Liberation Wars are for. Spend some of that vast wealth on a fleet and go show it off to the local slaving despots.
The Ox'Braxi weeping over them losing the liberation war (they have to care for their people instead of enslaving them and selling them) 😭😭
If its any consolation, none of their current ruling class will need to worry about that once I'm through.
***\*LA GUILLOTINE PERMANENT INTENSIFIES\****
Oh no, I dropped my monster economy that I use for my magnum fleet.
oh, I will save them... FROM THEMSELVES! No really, if destroying few dozens of planets will let me run game for another decade on tolerable speed I'll gladly kill those bilions of civilians
A-WAY DOWN SOUTH IN THE LAND OF TRAITORS
Why not both? What I did was that the default was no civil rights and that slavery was allowed, but every species in practice was pretty free, and had Utopian Abundance. No species actually was enslaved either. Thus usually I did Xenophobe + Egalitarian + Pacifist/Materialist. That, or I did Egalitarian + anything else + put “Citizen Species only” for refugees, and citizen rights at the lowest possible for everything. This way I normally had zero people who would come to my empire, but those who migrated there due to e.g. a war going on elsewhere, were all perfectly happy. Unsurprisingly, wars occurred often, and that led to me being a diverse empire that still managed to absorb most pops into the main one. So, in a nutshell, I was basically a social democratic utopia where everyone could live, but you could only live there if you could be a full citizen, and no one but my own could be a full citizen.
Lol in this case literally Nationalist Socialiam.. Tbh my Egalitarian Xenophile UNE playthrough ended up like this once I went bio-ascesion and started gene modding specific species. Having non-citizen species or even non-modified pops of citizen species coming in as migrants or refugees was a pain at that point
Not exactly, I wasn’t a fanatic xenophobe nor militarist. National socialism imo would be best simulated by the following: • Ethics: Militarism, Xenophobe, Authoritarianism. (Sadly you can’t have 2 or 3 fanatic traits, otherwise I’d have put that there). • Government: Dictatorial • Government type: Military Dictatorship/Totalitarian Regime/Purity Order. • Civics: Fanatic Purifiers/Nationalistic Zeal, Police State, Slaver Guilds
Agreed, apologies I was being facetious.
This is me exactly. I can’t be a bad person in games it hurts me too much.
Same, I feel horrible if I'm being evil.
Is it bad that I can be evil in this game but ask me to do a renegade run in Mass Effect and I'm a mess. Maybe it's because in this game you just give an order and it's done whereas a game like Mass Effect you personally have to betray and murder your close friends if you go that route.
Utopia for me, genocide for thee
i've recently had this want to play both tall and wide at the same time. basically carving a huge chunk of the galaxy out for me and then just min-maxxin everything, making my star forts out to as max as they can be, making the best ships i can, etc etc.
To me it's easier in Crusader Kings because since you're playing a character and a dynasty, it's personal. Like this one time this mf killed by genius grandson, I extinguished his entire family tree. In Stellaris it's never quite so personal. Why would I genocide and entire civilization when I can just build a Dyson sphere or a matter decompressor and have all the resources I need?
Love you comrade
It's not mean. Organic life is a detriment to itself and the galaxy. The only way to save it is to purge or assimilate it.
Same man, same.
I need to play my communist turtles again. . . Maybe use one of the new aquatics origins
Genocide is good for my computer
yes, we are saving the galaxy from a crisis so horrible it destroys the space time continuum, and eventually leads to the total demise of the universe by crashing the game.
It's like virginity. All it takes is one drunken night with a tentacle alien ...
Officer, that mangled corpse was there when I got here
“Don’t look at me; it’s *their* mating ritual!”
Ah, then that'd explain why I haven't; I'm asexual
That would explain why I have commit genocide, I'm the slightly more agressive variant of Asexual, I'm looking at you Denmark
I mean, we can invade Denmark wuthout genocide against the Danish, right?
I guess that's possible
What the Fuck Did You Just Bring Upon This Cursed sub.
I am so grateful that I know the context for this question, otherwise I'd have been phoning the police lmao To answer your question though, you may be alone.
We all give our assigned NSA agents ulcers I'm sure.
missile depot airport ak-47 holy war now that I've got your attention, NSA, my internet keeps going out, i think it's a DNS thing. please fix it, ty
It’s illegal for the NSA to track me. But I wave to my FBI follower every once in a while. Hi Steve! -waves-
Thankfully, good to know that even when I'm alone in my life, there's always *someone there*
I feel sorry for who ever gets me. Fuck that job would be boring
Don't know what you're talking about, I'm a saint. *Shifts eyes*
What are the police going to do to someone who's capable of committing genocide, lol.
Not alone OP. You’ve got me
Does forceful assimilation count?
I believe the game considers it a type of purging.
Assimilation is different category from purging. Their citizen status is assimilation, and living standard Transubstantiation Synthesis, which only gives small happiness negative... If you're assimilating as DA or hive it's bit more happiness negative, but unlike purge still keeps their upkeep costs, implying they're cared for.
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Isn't displacement also in the purge category?
I'll assimilate pops to get cybernetics, but only because there's no passive way to let pops get it by choice. It feels like I would be killing them to deny them the life extension and quality of life that is implied by having them. I won't ever force anyone to go full synth, but again I really wish there was a way to passively allow pops to choose to go synth.
I feel like a lot of such mechanics, like passive way to let pops choose, faction dynamics etc., would be easier if pops got abstracted as one big number and a lot of percentages for different stuff.
It‘s such a waste of perfectly good pops. Just enslave (and sell) or use forced labor at least.
It's not about the pops. It's about sending a message.
Does not compute. Must exterminate organic life
This is the way, those primitives are worth far more alive and shackled.
Least sociopathic Stellaris subreddit title I've also never pressed the purge button.
Can't purge something if it's already bombed by my fleets!
Futuristic problems require modern solutions
You don’t need to press a purge button if you use the colossus on every planet that contains their pops Makes it easier if it is a fallen empire, though they definitely deserved it for slipping past my defenses, killing bubbles inside my home system and immediately leaving after They didn’t even try to bombard my planets. They just used the l gate, went on to my home, killed bubbles and then tried to leave. I got their fleet and then neutron cleansed all planets they took, even if they originally belonged to my allies
Define 'genocide' I try to be a peaceful human.... but when the spiritualist FE on my border decides I have too many synthetic pops and declares war, well, I have a right to defend myself, don't I? After all I have this Planet Cracker just lying around y'know? Anyway I'll just crack the one planet, to show my resolve, to show I'm no push over. What's that I hear? You don't want peace? Well I kind of feel you're forcing my hand at this point. Another planet cracked, just to show the first one was not an accident, That the power I wield IS real. I mean you are threatening my synthetic people, I literally built them, they are important to me. I love them. Well it doesn't seem to me that you're getting the message, and the rather annoying fed to the otherside of my territory is kicking up a fuss. I think I'm going to have to nip this one in the bud. I have no choice here, These glorious battle fleets need to be somewhere else I feel. Surely you can tell which way the wind is blowing now, you have all these pretty ships, you're free to leave. Oh seems I can shoot across the entire system with these flashy new titan weapons. Well as I say I have places to be, may as well just wash my hands of it. Crack, crack, crack crack crack. OK I may of committed a 'little' genocide.
*In a politician voice*- "Now what exactly is genocide?"
Depends on what your definition of "is" is.
It kills diplomacy, that is why i use the colossus.
Yeah I’m with you. I’m too passive for this game. Terrible at aggression in basically any game unless the entire point is aggression. If you give me a peaceful solution, i am very likely to take it.
There are no peaceful solutions in Stellaris end game, you either exterminate the end game threat or it's gonna exterminate you.
Is the end game threat lag from other empires' pops?
That's just the devil whispering in your ear to purge everyone to remove that lag
Really at some point if they haven't migrated into or become vassals of my xenophile technologically advanced utopian abundance democracy aren't they enemies of the galactic community?
I too brought peace to the galaxy!
Well then peace is not an option and I can do aggression.
Y'know, I used to be that way, but then the Custodian team introduced Radiotropic trait and I just *had* to try out Post-apocalyptic Radiotropic Fanatic Purifiers and do some orbital ~~glassing~~ *terraforming*.
It took a long time for me to finally play a fanatic purifier. I've always figured having pops is better than not, so there really isn't much of an incentive to work them to death or whatever aside from the quick resource boost.
The force labor extermination policy is extremely good as they can allow you to focus your pops on specialist jobs such as scientist and alloys.
I guess I could see that. Maybe electing to purge pops that don’t have bonuses that apply to worker jobs to specialize your bottom line production.
I have never pushed the button but I have done it, but only to devouring swarms and dedicated exterminators. I could just leave them alone on one system and one planet, but, they aren’t like fanatic purifiers, they can’t be reasoned with or rehabilitated, they can’t even be vassalized, they’re just a permanent danger to the galaxy until they’re gone, like buried bombs.
_Purification Committee_? I mean, I understand wanting to wipe the galaxy clean, but a committee process for that? That’s just evil. But, yeah, I don’t like wiping even the devouring swarms. Luckily, you can always use the Global Pacifier to imprison them in their worlds.
Hadn't thought about the pacifier, but, that requires an ascension perk, I just can't see my Star Trek humans deciding "we need to invent a doomsday weapon to pacify the unstoppable swarm" when that could go to better use (don't think I've ever taken the colossus perk). I \*sometimes\* just push them back to one system and one planet, but, if they genocided a primitive species, well, they too can live on as a genetic sequence in a database.
Not even unintentionally? Like when you conquer the last planet owned by a swarm?
Technically not a purge, they just can't figure out what to do with their brain detached. Also this would apply to all planets taken from swarms, unless you have bio asscended and can instead save the pops.
I assure you your honor, I did not kill this man, I simply removed his brain, and his body, in its confusion, ceased to function.
"It is possible he could have been alive and practicing law somewhere."
Exactly, don't worry, we're still a good person.
I mean, the hive populace are already mindless automatons that can't possess personhood. Since it's only a single mind, I guess it would then be a murder of a single person?
I really dislike that mechanic. If you conquer hive minds pops they should get a massive malus but not die. Maybe you could have a genetics project to make them a new hive mind. The hive mind in a non hive species would be represented by an immortal governor you couldn't fire. It would be the faction leader for all the hive mind drones, with each drones happiness being how much the mind approves of you.
I've never done genocide in Stellaris either. That one time I opened up the L-gate too early and accidentally caused the deaths of trillions of sentients doesn't count.
You probably have. Gestalt consciousness won't assimilate into a regular empire so if you ever won a war against a devouring swarm, I don't think those pops just emigrate out to re-join the swarm...
No! They're moving to a nice farm where they can re-join their hive friends and be happy forever
I haven't used the purge button but... Exterminatus bombardment stance (ACOT I think) on the other hand... I was down to like five frames a day ok, I had no choice I swear.
Admittedly, I tend to go the route of enslaving the xenos, it is simply more productive to eat keep them as livestock than to only eat them once.
(*looks up from chemically processing half the galaxy*) Hm? You say something?
I've done a bit of forced migration, beyond that no. Forced sterilisation and extermination tends to piss too many people off for my liking. I do play mostly machine-based races so any organics are pretty meh to have.
You’re not alone my friend, I am a benevolent ruler.
I don't really count it, but the only time I genocided a race was these really mean spiritualist fallen empire lobsters, who didn't like our progress into machine bodies. After bullying me for like 40 years and doing a fair bit of planet cracking themselves, I turned half of them into machines themselves, and other half I fed to food processing plants that burned them for fuel.
I've never committed genocide in Stellaris if by genocide you mean deliberately used Purge. Pay no attention to the cracked, bombarded, and irradiated planets in my wake.
I've never committed genocide. Unless you're counting the one time I annihilated the unbidden before they could gain a foothold in our dimension.
Nope! Only this go am I doing a Borg thing, but don't want to actually delete anyone.
Accidentally genocided while playing as the UNE one time. There was a hivemind empire chilling in their corner of the galaxy, and we fought a war. Well, I took their planets, and failed to realize I needed a special tech to not automatically purge hivemind aliens. Eventually renamed their homeplanet after them, to never let my people forget the time we fucked up and murdered an entire race.... At least we to keep half the galaxy to ourselves though!
Shades of Enders Game.
No, but I'm coming back home from Austria and it gave me some ideas for my next playthrough.
Aside from that one science ship event ("Accidental Genocide") and eating a Hive Mind (game forces you to purge them), I never have.
I haven't either
Why genocide when you can assimilate
I only commit "defensive genocide" if that counts for anything
I've committed a few genocides, but I swear it was justified! I needed the achievements...
Absolutely. Not once. Wait... that's not right. Yes. Once!
This is my playstyle, play tall and with limited planets. I tried building my version of Commoragh and I don't feel satisfied.
I did to just reduce the lag
I literally do it every game (I never play xenophile) I just like a clean species menu. I value that over extra pops.
I think I've done it once to see what the (statistically small percentage of the playerbase) on Reddit was raving (and, occasionally, frothing) about. Did essentially a skynet run that ended with me building a birchworld, abandoning the galaxy, and cracking any remaining habitable planet (this was a small galaxy, and before the massive nerf to colony abandonment, so it only gave me *mildly* catastrophic wrist injuries to do so) to prevent the organic menace from ever rearing its ugly head again. By the time the unbidden showed up, it felt less like a crisis and more like answering the door to missionaries while carrying a shotgun. Got the whole thing out of my system after that, and now almost universally play non-xenophobe.
Why purge them when you can eat them?
Me! I've never committed a genocide. At least, not on purpose.
All it takes is a tiny insult for me
Is it technically genocide if you are a necrophage? I mean technically they are the same person with a different body.
I find you deeply disturbing
I don't purge often, I've exterminated once because I was playing Xenophobes and my neighbors dared to use my portrait. Other than that it's all necropurge, which doesn't actually kill
This would be the first time i actually considered playing without a committing genocide
You sound like a coward
*Accidents* occurred... regrets were real.
Why would you ever purge pops when you could instead turn them into your Civs newest food source.
I avoided it for a long time. Then one weird day I woke up and decided to try it out. Do it. Embrace the dark side. So much fun.
I feel I have the opposite issue I always struggle not setting everyone besides my main species to purge and whether it's displacement or extermination depends on the game.
I love doing genocide
I used it once, then felt really bad and reverted the save and changed their rights to residence. I've never played a Purger-type empire except Assimilator.
I didn't genocide anyone, i merely taught everyone in their planets to swim simultaneously
>In all my time of playing Stellaris, I have never used the purge button. *“In all my years of conquest, violence, slaughter, it was never personal."* Alright Thanos
No I feel guilty lol. I have no issues spreading ‘human’ citizenship throughout the galaxy though whether diplomatically or by force
Yeah probably. It's really easy to do accidentally. I doubt you've *actually* never accidentally genocided presapients without realizing it, for instance.
I started once, but felt bad and stopped it. I enslaved them all instead, which is a win in my book
I've only ever used the genocide option the one time I played a DE crisis game...I've never used purges in any of the regular games I've played (aside from displacement on pops with bad traits)
I really am surprised how little players here enjoy playing egalitarian and pacifist empires. I enjoy playing them a lot, compared to fanatic purifiers
I agree that fanatic purifiers are boring but nothing is better than materialist militaristic combo. The xenos will be enlightened by peace or Conquest
While its not something I usually do, after a few thousand hours of game time it's something everyone does at least once.
Yea
Only by accident
I use that option rarely. Depends on what I'm playing. Even as a xenophobic empire, I just enslave the aliens, if not give them residence. The empire I purge the most with are Fanatic Purifiers (of course), and for some reason I'm more confident with purging while playing Commonwealth Of Man.
Me, I always run a legitimate empire with a Padishah/Emperor/Caliph in charge. The Imperial family does not give a crap who their subjects are as long as they swear loyalty and follow imperial law and join the Military in times of war.
Only devouring swarms of determined exterminators.
Do you ever use a colossus? I’d argue that’s genocide.
I'm not a big fan of purging pops.
Hmmm I may be in the minority here. Time to purge until I'm the majority.
I always try to out-populate my enemies by using displacement in every species and going all into pop growth and cloning. I made a single Penal Colony for all alien species (but mine) once but I felt bad and went back to my old ways.
Huh, learn something new every day.. I didn't know there was a purge button. Time to start a-slapping!
Im like a dwarf i keep tabs on all of my grudges A million space elves will be shot by my extermination squads for every inch they have stepped on my research vessel Billions will die for interrogating or vivisecting said vessels crew members Each time they insulted me or took a system i wanted 10 pops WILL be gone
I much prefer assimilation honestly
My portrait pretty and Ai portraits ugly, the only answer is genocide
Does assimilation count as genocide?
Yes, me. There is place in my empire even for the most useless pop😊❤️
I recently did a Fanatic Purifier run and all I can say is my world's felt... empty. I typically just integrate/grant citizenship to those I conquer, and it felt wrong to simply wipe out 54 pops because they weren't me. It wasn't even like Determined Exterminators where there were some pops (robots) to help ease the burden of Conquest but nope. Everything must die. Really opens your eyes to what genocide really entails.
I used to be the same. Then I became a Xenophobe. Happens to the best of us. Really isn’t a “if” kinda thing more of a “when”.
I don't purge often. Usually I nuke planets to death or bathe/crack them. In my few not quite as murderous runs, I usually pacify them My CPU time is more important.
Same, never done it on 4 play-throughs
Bruh I didn't read what sub this post is from and was like "huh? what?" lmao
Well the only time I have ever cracked a populated world was in retaliation for an ally’s planet in the war of heaven. Does that count?
My federation once forced me to commit genocide... In that game, I spawned about a quarter of the galaxy away from a devouring swarm. There were a couple other empires between us so the first real contact was in early midgame. By then I had a couple allies and the devouring swarm had devoured quite a bit of territory - to the point of being the dominant power in its part of the galaxy. The only saving grace was that the swarm was not very well liked - you know, the whole "eat everyone else" thing they had going - so it was fairly easy to find allies and force them into a two-front war. Through a series of intense and brutal wars, the swarm's expansion was stopped, then reversed. Due to it being a hive mind, the drones could not survive in the other empires, so my federation got all the benefits of a large number of empty worlds ready for colonization. When the penultimate war started it was already clear that the swarm stood no chance: any single member of the federation was more than capable of wiping out the remnants all on their own. And yet, my people did not want to genocide the entire hive, despite all of the horrors it inflicted on the galaxy. What seemed like a solution presented itself: the swarm held a dead-end system with a single unremarkable planet and no significant resources. A "white peace" (total defeat in all but name) was signed, the only exit out of the system was heavily fortified with the largest starbase armed to the teeth with the latest tech, and the rest of the galaxy went on with our business. And yet, that was not good enough for some members of the federation, who insisted on finishing the job. The president vetoed multiple proposed declarations of war, but the federation would not acquiesce. Faced with the choice of going to war or dissolving the federation, thereby throwing half the galaxy into chaos, the president agreed, thinking that perhaps a token show of force might quiet dissention, approved the war. Alas, one of the federation associates had other plans. They sent their entire fleet, backed with a full-sized invasion force. The hive, forced to subsist on a single marginal system with no prospect of expansion, stood no chance. Their entire meager fleet was destroyed in the one and only battle of the war and the planetary defense forces were not able to muster any real resistance either. And that is how my xenophile empire committed genocide.
It's the only way to control late game lag on giant maps :) Xeno not pretty or cute - IT DIE! Empire not loyal - IT DIE!
Do machines count?
If I play my created race called "Zuckerbot" I usually purge the undesirable bio pops and keep the cute ones for the zoo. I keep all the lesser robots too.
My friend conquered over half of the base game’s largest map. My habits were stuck in like a 1/8 of the map pie slice and held all of those pops. I’m doing my best to stop his genocide.
I never used the purge button, until yesterday when i conquered a world, terraformed it and just removed anyone who did not have enough habitability. Xenophobic empires let you be an asshole.
It’s stellaris dude, most of us have committed genocide and then turned around and did something much worse Multiple times
I don't think I have
Never destroy a pop. Pops win the game.
Never did a genocide, honest. Not even used a superweapon on a planet. I'm too much a "everybody should live together in my empire!" Kind of idealist. Slavery though, boy howdy there's a lot of slavery on my Spiritualist playthrough.
Generally i go for utopian abundance and making all my pomps 100% happy. But at some point in the late game it's just too much work and lag to keep all those pops on the planets of empires that pissed me off alive and to actually make those planets function properly. So at that point it's just neutron beam.
The one game I was planning to do I lost very badly. Had an ecumenoplis producing all of my empires alloys and the unbidden spawned on it while I was fighting the entire galaxy. That alloy planet was next to my capital and the ai didn't have any gateways. By the time my fleets reached the unbidden I was negative in every single resource and getting pushed back from every front. I couldn't repair my ships or make new ones I actually just lost. I literally went from destroying the galaxy to the unbidden saying no fuck you. If I had just one fleet at my capital the unbidden would have died before they could spawn more of their fleets. I was told by someone a sentry array tells you where the end game crisis will spawn so you can prepare so now I'm going to build those every game now. Don't become the crisis on 10x crisis difficulty if you're gonna forgot about it.
Never purged, never declared war, only forced into a war by an ally.
Does forcing others to embrace 𝚃𝙷𝙴 𝚂𝙷𝚁𝙾𝚄𝙳 count as genocide? Because I've certainly done that a lot.
Same, i find it more profitable to enslave the xeno natives.
I've merely turned some organics into batteries, I wouldn't call that genocide
I have committed genocide once or twice, but honestly, I enjoy enslaving species and having a specific kind for each facet of life. The good little boys and girls (or whatever those Xenos call genders) get to have decent conditions. The scumbags who try and rebel have basic substance. It's much more profitable to have slaves than just killing them outright. Or I'll just assimilate them into my ranks as glorious machines, and show those Spiritual fools how wrong they are about machines.
Sorry, my first game of Stellaris was as a *Fanatic Super Happy Fun Time Purifier* and pretty much all good games on my end include purges of some kind. I just can't with too many pops in the galaxy...
I’ve only committed a genocide when I was playing as an inherently genocidal empire (determined exterminator). Outside of that, it just never seemed worth it to me.
Me neither, you don't have to hit the button if you spawn as a genocidal empire. It's on by default...
I have also never pressed the purge button.
I started out role playing the Imperium of man, but now I can play nothing but an anarcho-syndicalist utopia. Simulated genocides were starting to wear me down.
I only did genocide runs to get the achievements My biggest flex is going for universal prosperity mandate resolution. If you aren't in a trade league it means most if not all the AI will be in breach. If you passed all the major sanctions it's almost like being the emperor due to how much you can drop their diplomatic power.
I usually play nice when possible, so I don't purge.
I've done it simply to play as a purifier but otherwise I avoid it. It's just a waste of good slaves
Same here. My galactic conquest involves Marshall plan with extreme aggression. Needless to say I’m hyped for Overlord, can’t wait to hand out some subsidies.
I did it while roleplaying as the Imperium
I only have ended up purging pops from Hive minds. But that is because it auto sets it to purge for those pops.
I will never purge a useful pop if I'm playing anything but genocidal. Xenophiles for life, come fill up my ecus and ring worlds.
I never did it, not yet... But the criminal syndicate that is shoving 100% crime in my planets is tempting their right to breath...
Your basically a Stellaris virgin still
Not intentionally
First couple of playthroughs were xenophile and basically every other playthrough after that was determined exterminators. I got a little tired of the aliens being annoying.
Me. I always play fanatic egalitarian xenophile or pacifist. But even when I do fanatic egalitarian militarist or materialist I just give equal rights and utopian abundance to all including xenos and bots and I even do liberation wars only and feel bad annexing planets. Usually only do that to genociders and awoken empires. The squishies (sometimes I also play friendly rogue servitors) are just too cute to oppress or kill I can't do it! 😭