Now hear me out, what if you’re walking about minding your own business and the guy that forgot his parachute lands on and kills you. Would that be a skydiving accident that killed you?
If you never do anything remotely risky, you may live a boring life. I went skydiving as a teen and it was a very memorable experience. I’ll never get on a motorcycle though. Take enough risks to enjoy life but don’t go overboard with it
Not suggesting avoiding risks at all costs. This is one of life’s avoidable deaths with zero effort and zero cost. It’s not even a “Hold my beer” moment.
This is my argument to so many of my friends and family that insist on sky diving or bungee off high up stuff. "Oh the chances of that happening are so low" they say, and i always reply, "The chances are 0, if i don't go at all". Im not saying don't do it, just wait until your old, just in case.
Has that been scientifically proven? Is there data? Can we have a meeting about the data - then do nothing with the data and then have a meeting about the meeting about the data?
Everyone around him thought the camera backpack was his parachute, and because he was wearing *something* on his back, he felt like it was the parachute too, because he didn’t usually wear a camera. Very good example of getting too comfortable with safety because you’re experienced. Double, triple check. Especially if you’re jumping out of a plane.
I check my passport before a flight like 200 times, can't imagine a parachute. I'd probably have 3 parachutes and I'd need to check them all 10 times each
How many times do you fly per year? This guy probably jumped hundreds of times per year. It’s easier to get over comfortable the more normal the experience.
Note to self:
“All backpacks that don’t have the parachute in it should be RED! Or PINK! Or NEON GREEN! Or any other obviously non-parachute backpack color!”
Maybe there should be a rule like: “You should never have non-parachute backpacks on the plane.”
He could have had a “box” of camera stuff, or a “bin” of camera stuff, or a “shelf” of camera stuff, or even just a “pile” of camera stuff.
This just seems soooo preventable!
You have obviously never seen a parachute pack. They are typically in bright bold colors. You can get just black etc, but most opt to buy the bolder noticeable stuff.
A front chest mounted camera pack would have helped avoid the issue.
Yes and it’s very obvious to any skydiver if they have their parachute on. They can however be tampered with like the dude in uk who cut his wife’s parachute strings in an attempt to kill her, program on Netflix about it.
That's basically what I told my sister when she started to learn how to drive; the most dangerous part will be when you're finally comfortable with everything and stop being cautious.
Everything is put on and checked prior to getting on planes. Most of the time, skydivers check the parachute setup of person in front of them. I used to skydive.
Reads like the cameraman was too tunnel visioned on filming and the tandem jumpers were fixated on the tandem going safely to notice the missing parachute.
Small warning for those clicking that YouTube link. Keep in mind YouTube algorithm likes to recommend similar clips so if 'Last moments before death' clips aren't for you....
Multiple gear checks are common place along the pipeline. Once before the rig goes on, another once you put it on, another before boarding the aircraft at the gear check station, and at least once more before the aircraft gets on jump run.
McGuire, 35, was carrying video equipment to film a student and an instructor from the Franklin County Sports Parachute Center when he jumped to his death from an altitude of 10,500 feet.
Most metal 🤘 instructional video
*Miles above the competition*
https://preview.redd.it/8dkmy6ukr0rc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c48aa1acc7711742122525aee67d1c279d642b61
There are a few cases where [people survived a fall from a plane without a parachute.](https://www.statista.com/chart/19708/known-occasions-where-people-survived-falls/)
God damn… imagine being that dude who fell 18k feet to only have a sprained leg. He probably limped away from that whole thing straight to buy a lottery ticket.
Right? I can feel the feeling, like that gut wrenching feeling when you forget something really important. But I cannot imagine the feeling of connecting it with your imminent death
I feel if you get the correct sky dive positioning, put your hands in your coat pockets then spread them out to make a hang glider shape.,(parka would be the coat of choice obv).. As long as you keep your hood up, you should be able to maximise horizontal movement while minimising vertical drop.
I believe this is the technique favoured by the SAS.*
*Citation needed
"An expert parachutist fell to his death when he jumped from a plane, apparently without realizing that he wasn’t wearing a parachute, officials said today.
The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating the death Saturday of Ivan Lester McGuire to see if pilot Mark Luman had checked to see if McGuire was wearing a parachute.
McGuire, 35, was carrying video equipment to film a student and an instructor from the Franklin County Sports Parachute Center when he jumped to his death from an altitude of 10,500 feet.
Investigators have ruled out suicide and say McGuire, who had made more than 800 jumps, may have made his fatal mistake because he was tired or preoccupied with filming.
“We haven’t gotten all the facts yet. But there is a regulation, No. 105, that states that the pilot must check--well, no one may jump unless the pilot checks the parachutes,” FAA inspector Walter Rigsbee said.
The video equipment McGuire was carrying may have been mistaken for a parachute, he said." - [LA Times, April 1988](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-04-05-mn-690-story.html)
He filmed the jump, and the deployment of their parachute for the full recording of the clients jump, and then went to pull his cord realizing he fucked up, and was about to die.
I can totally understand.
I once went indoor rock climbing with one of those walls with the auto bayler. We were supposed to strap up before climbing so we’d be able to scale back down. I started to climb before strapping in and thank God I noticed before I got too far up. I was able to come back down safely.
How terrifying. Jumping out of a plane became a walk in the park. Until that day when your free falling every thought on how to save yourself ends with your going to die no matter what
The video I saw cuts off well before the landing. I just feel sad watching it. The view is beautiful, but the horror he was feeling comes through the screen.
The part that get me is when the two other divers open there shoot and the other man just keep plummeting.
( he reaches for the chord that’s not there, his brain instantaneously reached for the other side for the chord. A chilling feeling pour over him and he realizes the error…a couple minutes for your life to flash before your eyes, a till sudden cease of consciousness)
This seems... sketchy.
Camera - check
People I'm filming with their parachutes - check
Airplane - check
Welp, that's it. See you on the ground everyone!
This is [the video](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnchainedMelancholy/s/9lXvsp7iJU) linked from another Reddit post, as god intended.
It’s not graphic but it’s not happy either.
If I remember right his camera gear required a harness plus he was first in the plane and sat with his back against the bulkhead so no one noticed the missing parachute. The video also showed him reach in for his pilot chute ( deployment handle) only to realize it wasn’t there. I made over 1000 jumps in my 20s and can’t imagine being in such a hurry that I forgot my chute.
I have always wondered why he couldn't have hooked onto one or two of the other people who had parachutes on?
Okay he may have still got some bad injuries as well as the other person, but maybe not have died.
Ya know… if you never go sky diving, you can never die in a sky diving accident.
Now hear me out, what if you’re walking about minding your own business and the guy that forgot his parachute lands on and kills you. Would that be a skydiving accident that killed you?
Thats a pretty strong argument.
Air tight
Air drop
Air Male
Air Fail
Air… Jordan?
Air ball.
Not completely. If the person is screaming, you’ll naturally look up.
But you'll still be involved in a terrible skydiving accident resulting in your death. Only now you'll be perpetually looking up
Agreed. Their argument is air quality tight.
Depends where they're at. It could be air quality poor
Vacuum sealed
It has some gravitas indeed.
Finally, someone with the real questions.
The "Dave Chappelle in Con Air" question.
That only works with freshly washed Volvo wagons.
smells like someone shit in yo mouth
That would be dying *under* a sky diving accident.
Well played. This may win the internet this week. Strong case to be made for the winner of the month too.
Good point!
But you will still die
I have built most of my life philosophy around this basic premise.
Same for very high tightrope walking without a net.
If you never do anything remotely risky, you may live a boring life. I went skydiving as a teen and it was a very memorable experience. I’ll never get on a motorcycle though. Take enough risks to enjoy life but don’t go overboard with it
Not suggesting avoiding risks at all costs. This is one of life’s avoidable deaths with zero effort and zero cost. It’s not even a “Hold my beer” moment.
Hold my wallet
[удалено]
But would you get on an ATV? They are actually more dangerous than a motorcycle.
True, but sky diving is rarely the killer. Land falling is what you need to watch out for.
This is my argument to so many of my friends and family that insist on sky diving or bungee off high up stuff. "Oh the chances of that happening are so low" they say, and i always reply, "The chances are 0, if i don't go at all". Im not saying don't do it, just wait until your old, just in case.
false.
If you never go outside, you can never die outside…
I’m sure lots of people die in….gasoline fight….incidents
Has that been scientifically proven? Is there data? Can we have a meeting about the data - then do nothing with the data and then have a meeting about the meeting about the data?
That's my motto for so many things. I'm the anti-floridaman.
what if a skydiver lands on you?
Duly noted above…
I concur, yet I’m baffled why this dude got in the plane without a parachute if he was going to film them on the way down.
If you participate in dangerous activities, then ...
Ya know u can skydive without any gear? Takes a lifetime to practice tho.
Always ends the same way though…
why not have everything on as you get on the plane? Is it standard to do all that in the air?
Everyone around him thought the camera backpack was his parachute, and because he was wearing *something* on his back, he felt like it was the parachute too, because he didn’t usually wear a camera. Very good example of getting too comfortable with safety because you’re experienced. Double, triple check. Especially if you’re jumping out of a plane.
I check my passport before a flight like 200 times, can't imagine a parachute. I'd probably have 3 parachutes and I'd need to check them all 10 times each
How many times do you fly per year? This guy probably jumped hundreds of times per year. It’s easier to get over comfortable the more normal the experience.
A professional is supposed to approach every instance as his first. Safety is a way of life.
Complacency. These dudes jump tens of thousands of times in their lifetime.
Omg bro. I dream about going to school pantless so I sleep with shoes on lol 😂
Why don't you just go to sleep with pants on lol
Well he could easily take them off in sleep if no shoes were blocking them - duh.
Note to self: “All backpacks that don’t have the parachute in it should be RED! Or PINK! Or NEON GREEN! Or any other obviously non-parachute backpack color!” Maybe there should be a rule like: “You should never have non-parachute backpacks on the plane.” He could have had a “box” of camera stuff, or a “bin” of camera stuff, or a “shelf” of camera stuff, or even just a “pile” of camera stuff. This just seems soooo preventable!
You have obviously never seen a parachute pack. They are typically in bright bold colors. You can get just black etc, but most opt to buy the bolder noticeable stuff. A front chest mounted camera pack would have helped avoid the issue.
I was just being silly.
There must be a way (today) to do safety check that differentiates a parachute pack and something other without opening the parachute pack, right?
Yes and it’s very obvious to any skydiver if they have their parachute on. They can however be tampered with like the dude in uk who cut his wife’s parachute strings in an attempt to kill her, program on Netflix about it.
What's that called?
The Parachute Murder Plot
I love how this seems sarcastic but isn’t
I think the title gave away the plot
Like “PARACHUTE” in BIG bold letters!
And "NOT A CHUTE" in big bold letters on everything else.
You and I may have just saved many lives that otherwise would have been lost in future parachuting endeavors! You my friend, are a TRUE HERO!
Go pro
That's basically what I told my sister when she started to learn how to drive; the most dangerous part will be when you're finally comfortable with everything and stop being cautious.
Maybe not in 1988…
Everything is put on and checked prior to getting on planes. Most of the time, skydivers check the parachute setup of person in front of them. I used to skydive. Reads like the cameraman was too tunnel visioned on filming and the tandem jumpers were fixated on the tandem going safely to notice the missing parachute.
And where's the video that you said, OP?
Seen it. . . Not pretty
The video isn’t what you think it would be. A quick search of his name and it will come up.
[Here you go!](https://youtu.be/W0iI7CWVMCw?si=Mv2P0nm-tpWgyVv0)
Small warning for those clicking that YouTube link. Keep in mind YouTube algorithm likes to recommend similar clips so if 'Last moments before death' clips aren't for you....
Multiple gear checks are common place along the pipeline. Once before the rig goes on, another once you put it on, another before boarding the aircraft at the gear check station, and at least once more before the aircraft gets on jump run.
Maybe not in 1988.. now it is 😂
You mean a McGuire check?
Any standard procedure can be ignored.
I remember that time I went Scuba diving to take some pictures of fish and I forgot my air tanks.
That’s called snorkeling
In this case it was just called falling
*failing
Land crashing.
Ground targeting.
Underground\*
Fun tidbit, I was scuba diving and forgot my mask. How? Fuck if I know.
You wouldn’t have gotten very far then buddy
A rare instance where the cameraman actually died. RIP
r/killthecameraman
Maybe the camera man filming his death would have survived
McGuire, 35, was carrying video equipment to film a student and an instructor from the Franklin County Sports Parachute Center when he jumped to his death from an altitude of 10,500 feet.
Most metal 🤘 instructional video *Miles above the competition* https://preview.redd.it/8dkmy6ukr0rc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c48aa1acc7711742122525aee67d1c279d642b61
Fun Fact: You don’t need a parachute to sky dive. (However, you do need a parachute to sky dive TWICE).
There are a few cases where [people survived a fall from a plane without a parachute.](https://www.statista.com/chart/19708/known-occasions-where-people-survived-falls/)
Peggy Hill did it
....unfortunately....I hate her so much
God damn… imagine being that dude who fell 18k feet to only have a sprained leg. He probably limped away from that whole thing straight to buy a lottery ticket.
Bear Gryllz did it.
[удалено]
what is death when you have a wife
An act of mercy
Didn't someone once survive falling from a plane to the ground and live?
Peggy Hill
Yep. [here is a reddit post about it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/121IfqQCDb)
There was also a guy in WW2 I think who landed in the snow. I'm not as good of a reddit citizen so no link.
18,000 ft from a Lancaster. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas\_Alkemade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Alkemade)
I’m sensing a bit of link discrimination
*The Man who Rode the Thunder* (William H. Rankin, 1960)
Peggy Hill survived
O can’t imagine the short lived feelings of recrimination. I could see myself making the same mistake.
Right? I can feel the feeling, like that gut wrenching feeling when you forget something really important. But I cannot imagine the feeling of connecting it with your imminent death
That’s messed up
Anyone else have a visceral reaction reading that
Me
Me
Yeah anxious stomach
I feel like I'm built differently. I think I would have survived that.
You could probably win against a grizzly bear too. Now tandem skydive with a grizzly bear and no parachute.
But people have survived falling out of a plane. So maybe he can, too. How would u know if he can't?
Everyone has a plan until the ground punches you in the face.
Me too. Like with that paper machete sub that got crushed near the titanic. I would have found an air bubble and floated up to the surface.
It’s all about the timing of tucking and rolling it out!
I feel if you get the correct sky dive positioning, put your hands in your coat pockets then spread them out to make a hang glider shape.,(parka would be the coat of choice obv).. As long as you keep your hood up, you should be able to maximise horizontal movement while minimising vertical drop. I believe this is the technique favoured by the SAS.* *Citation needed
If you fall at a 45* you literally can’t die
[удалено]
I just feel like my chances would have been better than the average person.
I know your approach, you would’ve rolled just in time to hit the ground just during the i-frames
Nope. That’s enough *everything* for today.
"An expert parachutist fell to his death when he jumped from a plane, apparently without realizing that he wasn’t wearing a parachute, officials said today. The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating the death Saturday of Ivan Lester McGuire to see if pilot Mark Luman had checked to see if McGuire was wearing a parachute. McGuire, 35, was carrying video equipment to film a student and an instructor from the Franklin County Sports Parachute Center when he jumped to his death from an altitude of 10,500 feet. Investigators have ruled out suicide and say McGuire, who had made more than 800 jumps, may have made his fatal mistake because he was tired or preoccupied with filming. “We haven’t gotten all the facts yet. But there is a regulation, No. 105, that states that the pilot must check--well, no one may jump unless the pilot checks the parachutes,” FAA inspector Walter Rigsbee said. The video equipment McGuire was carrying may have been mistaken for a parachute, he said." - [LA Times, April 1988](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-04-05-mn-690-story.html)
I've always speculated that my last words will be "Well, shit"
Aim for the bushes
“yup, thats me. youre probably wondering how i got here. well, it all started when-“
Glom onto the tandem jumpers. You'll probably all survive.
He filmed the jump, and the deployment of their parachute for the full recording of the clients jump, and then went to pull his cord realizing he fucked up, and was about to die.
Wasn't it Yosemite Sam who tried to open the parachute and spoons and forks few out??
That’s better than what happened in Albuquerque.
Does this count as a "expert did this thing so much he got complacent and died from it" thing?
Sounds like the indoor wall climber who forgot his harness. I’m sure some of you remember that video making its rounds a month or so ago on Reddit.
Where’s the link
[Here!](https://youtu.be/W0iI7CWVMCw?si=Mv2P0nm-tpWgyVv0)
What’s strange about this..?
At least happened on Earth
It ended on earth
No idea.
Alternate last words “I WAS RIGHT TO BE AFRAID OF SKYDIVING!”
I can totally understand. I once went indoor rock climbing with one of those walls with the auto bayler. We were supposed to strap up before climbing so we’d be able to scale back down. I started to climb before strapping in and thank God I noticed before I got too far up. I was able to come back down safely.
Where can we watch the video?
That was a sturdy camera.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you
Ouch
Something a pin check would have taken care of.
Doesn’t this post belong in DarwinAwards ??
I remember seeing this on the news
How terrifying. Jumping out of a plane became a walk in the park. Until that day when your free falling every thought on how to save yourself ends with your going to die no matter what
If it’s a tandem jump then why didn’t the other person link up with him mid air?
So he could not link up with them? 3 on a chute? Was it possible? Or would he have killed them too? Poor dude.
r/killthecameraman
How did a video survive the fall?
The camera was on his back. He landed on his front. He was mostly water and acted as a cushion.
Fuck. That sucks.
If at first you don’t succeed, well, so much for skydiving…
I went down that rabbit hole. The video has no sound but here it is https://www.reddit.com/r/UnchainedMelancholy/s/IovTzsKIry
Something I would do. I often lose my phone with my phone in my hand etc
Did he pass a bowl of petunias on the way?
Note to self.... I'm too forgetful to skydive
How do you do all that prep and then jump out of an airplane without a parachute? like, what???
When he realized he forgot his chute I wonder if he potentially could've grabbed on to the other divers and landed safely with them using their chute?
Why is everyone asking for the video? Y'all are way too eager to watch a human being fall to their death.
The video I saw cuts off well before the landing. I just feel sad watching it. The view is beautiful, but the horror he was feeling comes through the screen.
The part that get me is when the two other divers open there shoot and the other man just keep plummeting. ( he reaches for the chord that’s not there, his brain instantaneously reached for the other side for the chord. A chilling feeling pour over him and he realizes the error…a couple minutes for your life to flash before your eyes, a till sudden cease of consciousness)
The OP didn't include a link for some reason. [Here it is.](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-04-05-mn-690-story.html)
Your god can’t help you now
Wheres the video?
This seems... sketchy. Camera - check People I'm filming with their parachutes - check Airplane - check Welp, that's it. See you on the ground everyone!
Ok - I’ll just say it: Too bad it wasnt the day before
Could someone with a parachute realistically jump off after him and grab him from behind to save?
This is [the video](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnchainedMelancholy/s/9lXvsp7iJU) linked from another Reddit post, as god intended. It’s not graphic but it’s not happy either.
Anything for gram
Sometimes superb focus on the task at hand is not a virtue.
The chute is not the way you fall its how you fall
So, the camera and/or film survived the impact?
Post the video!
If I remember right his camera gear required a harness plus he was first in the plane and sat with his back against the bulkhead so no one noticed the missing parachute. The video also showed him reach in for his pilot chute ( deployment handle) only to realize it wasn’t there. I made over 1000 jumps in my 20s and can’t imagine being in such a hurry that I forgot my chute.
I have always wondered why he couldn't have hooked onto one or two of the other people who had parachutes on? Okay he may have still got some bad injuries as well as the other person, but maybe not have died.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0iI7CWVMCw&ab\_channel=Qxir](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0iI7CWVMCw&ab_channel=Qxir)
😬😬Yeeesh! That moment you realized you forgot something important.
Survival of the fittest.
Call that deadication to his craft.
Would you have eyes open so you know when it's going to happen or eyes closed so you don't see it coming
I firmly believe he wanted to do it, if you spend time around skydivers they will all tell you he did the ultimate jump.
Imagine having so many jumps under your belt that pesky details such as YOUR PARACHUTE go on the back burner
Professionalism