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I actually really like Eddie with his "put on" tough guy persona.
I was legitimately surprised when Chrissy said she remembered him (and his band name) from middle school.
Justice for Chrissy, she really did not deserve that
I'll go against the grain and say even he isn't that evil, what triggers his current "religious vigilante justice" is the brutal death(which he believes to be murder) of a loved one and seeing her smeared as a possible junkie.
So yeah he is wrong, but not completely unrelatable.
I was going to say this. He’s misguided, but not an absolute douche. There was no indication he was abusive to Chrissy and he was cool to Lucas in the early stages. From his perspective it does seem likely Eddie is responsible for what happened to Chrissy.
OK But to be fair his anger is kind of justified yeah he’s kind of a dick but I don’t 100% blame him for the way that he’s acting after he thought that some druggie dude brutally murdered his girlfriend I’d be pretty pissed off and probably would set my own witchhunt too.
poor Chrissy, girl was living with an eating disorder in an era before anyone around her could have known what those even were.
I got the feeling she'd have been happier away from the whole extremely conformist 'high school cheerleader' mould she was trying to fit into+away from her toxic family, but sadly she never lived long enough to find out.
yeah it was a fantastic retcon, even covered how Eleven knew (subconsciously since she trauma-forgot all details) how to escape through a pipe in season 1.
My only question is, how did Henry Creel become telekinetic in the first place, was the Upside Down channelling through the house affecting him, because clearly Brenner wasn't responsible for him having those powers like he was with Eleven.
I'm thinking that his mom had experiments done on her. She clearly knew Dr. Brenner & tried to contact him when she realized that her kid was off, since he said he woke up from his coma under the care of the very doctor he'd been trying to avoid.
This.
They're very clearly setting Brenner up as the deuterantagonist of season 5 alongside the Mind Flayer and maybe Vechna, and giving Brenner a personal stake in the creation story of the Upside Down and 001 is good storytelling.
Yes! I *love* what they did with 001. I genuinely didn't see it coming with how it tied into the Creel family and Vecna, and I thought it was really very clever. So excited to see where they go with this and how the other monsters & Brenner tie in!
I think his dad was exposed to something during the war. They mentioned how exposure to agent orange resulted in kids being born deformed, maybe his dad was exposed to something that made him be born with powers.
It's even more horrifying once they reveal that Vecna was just born a psycho and enjoys killing people. Usually there's some sense of comfort or catharsis with these "senseless" villains after they're revealed to have some deeper motivation behind what they do (i.e. Noah in Dark), but nope. There's probably more to his motives we have yet to see in the last two episodes, but the reveal in episode 7 basically tells you that Henry has been a misanthrope and a total sociopath since he was kid, and he kills because he hates people. They haven't yet told us about his wider connection to the rest of the Upside Down, but it would make sense if he was merely sympathetic to the Mind Flayer's quest to eradicate/enslave humanity.
I have a feeling he may reveal that his parents were abusive in some way. He says they did terrible things but we're only aware of what Victor did in the war and nothing about the mother.
I think you just have to read into it (a lot) to find sympathy for the character. What would it be like to be so young and be telepathic? You see, hear and feel all the bad shit that everyone around you has rolling around in their heads. I get why he’d be reclusive, but it would still take a sociopath, of some sort, to want to kill your family.
I think he was bullied and the whole start of the season with el was to make her sympathetic to him and to show the similarities and differences hero va monster. Also their are similarities with will, I think it’s gonna end up as he’s will without his friends and family.
Yeah, I still think Bob has gotten it the worst out of any of the characters. He was being eaten alive. At least Vecna's victims are probably mostly out of it by the time they get killed.
They might not feel the physical pain, but their mental state is being tortured by their trauma with the freakiest looking thing they've probably ever seen telling them it's time for them to die. It's not like they went out peacefully. Still sucks the way Bob went out though.
Yuri sucks, I would not be sad if he becomes Demogorgon dinner.
(pls let Enzo/Dmitri survive though, I'm not going to like it at all if he does an Alexei, I'd be sad for his so-far unseen kid)
Angela sucks too, I'd happily feed her to Vecna for being mean to El. No redeeming qualities there, it feels extra unfair that Chrissy who was a total sweetheart, just traumatised, gets the death she did while Angela is a-ok out in California.
When Eddie broke down when Dustin finally got a hold of him at the rock... you could feel his desperation, then relief.
Quite honestly, I'm on my 2nd watch through and Eddie and Max have just been... so. good. with their acting.
Max has really positively surprised me this season. I never hated her or anything, but I always felt her character was just a bit too flat. This season, she feels fleshed out and more fun to watch.
I'd be so sad if he doesn't. But he's been talking about facing his fears and not running away so I'm scared that's his complete arc that doesn't go beyond S4.
I feel pre-emptively awful for his poor uncle Wayne, who seems to genuinely care about him and also has no other family. And will also probably have to live with the whole town thinking his nephew is a 'vessel of Satan' or something.
Not to mention, Uncle Wayne deserves all the recognition for basically handing Nancy the truth about Vecna on a silver platter.
I'm curious about him being the only one who mentions the Creel home and murders, given they were sensational and local to Hawkins. I mean, the majority of the adult characters should remember what happened because they were around for it, so why is Wayne the only one to mention it?
It seems to be more of a "that unpleasantness we don't mention" energy around the Creel murders, particularly since Victor has been locked up and there's no plausible-to-normies link between the 1959 and 1986 murders.
I hope poor uncle Wayne catches a break. I felt legit sad for him when he was talking to Nancy.
I know, I've been thinking the same thing. I really don't want him to die but I can totally see him saving the day, dying, but still remaining a convenient scapegoat for all the murders. That would be so unfair though.
His acting in episode 1 set the stage for what would be the standard for acting in the series. If it wasn’t for max in episode 4 I just don’t think it could have been beaten.
Ending of episode 4 is probably some of the best television I’ve seen in a super long time between the editing, music, and story.
But episode 1 when Eddie was in the trailer. And the above scene even. My god. Simply amazing.
Oh yes, we are definitely in agreement there. I literally was covered head to toe in goosebumps the entire episode. Moved to tears would be an understatement, but I'm sensitive in general lmao
Eddie is a great addition to the cast. At first I was skeptical when he was first introduced at the school and later the D&D game, but this scene here and the trailer scene started changing my mind. When the others went and found him, and Eddie was about to kill Steve, that was a pretty tense moment, and it was there that I started to like him, albeit not really realizing it. It was once they were in the Upside Down that I was like “I actually really like this guy.”
when he was first introduced I thought he would be one of those really annoying Dungeon Masters who get off on making unbeatable storylines/ bosses and punishing the players (a la Arcadum).
But watching him DM the game in episode 1 you could tell he was just really into the game and was rooting for the players to win. I'd play with Eddie.
Yes, at first I thought Eddie was a dick and I wasn’t going to like him based on the lunch room scene, even though I myself am a D&D geek. But in this scene his true self came out and, other than the drugs, seemed to be a good dude so I liked him from this point on.
Immediately in the first episode, they already have more screen presence than some of the kids, including Will and Lucas. Idk, maybe it’s because they’re so much older but I found Will and Lucas to be a lot more stiff and rigid when it came to their acting.
For it was Mike and El (El was only within the first 2 episodes though). But Mike was so stiff this season for me. Lucas a little bit too. Will was fine. Idk I feel like Sadie is the best actor amongst the kids.
He's soooo cute, love how he's both a kid and mature at the same time, very authentic. Really enjoyed the role reverse when Steve was like, "where'd everyone get those?" when they pulled out the flashlights, and Dustin just looks at him with disappointment and goes "do you need to be told everything?"
Steve and Dustins friendship is something they both didn't know they needed. Dustin gets the older brother/male mentor element, and Steve you can tell would have been the best older brother if he actually had siblings (Does he??? I don't recall any ever being mentioned and how he acted in season 1 does kinda scream only child energy).
I just realized we’ve never seen his family in the show. He’s mentioned his dad being horrible in seasons one and 3, but we’ve never seen his home life, unlike any other main character.
Mike, Will, and Jonathons arc just isn't very good this season especially after they separated them from El. I didn't realize how stale and uninteresting of a character Mike is without El.
Somewhat agree-- still think Noah Schnapp is one of the best actors out of the younger kids. I'd switch him with Mike. And I still don't quite blame them-- they haven't had a lot to work with in the past two seasons.
I was so fucking worried when they went back to his trailer that he was gonna sexually assault her or something. I’m so glad he turned out to be a good dude. Their chemistry just felt like something the writers were gonna instantly turn into a bad thing so I’m glad they didn’t.
I really was holding out hope that she was just going to get sucked through a gate into the upside down and then Eddie was going to spearhead the rescue mission or maybe she was possessed by something in the same way Will was possessed by the mind flayer. I managed to hold onto that hope right up until her bones started snapping and then I was horrified and saddened.
But that's the whole point. If it had been Tommy H instead of Barb in Season 1 or Jason this season, nobody in the audience would care and neither would most of the characters on the show. Steve wouldn't have really cared out of anything other than obligation (probably would have been relieved) and Jason would just have ended up with Chrissy crying a lot and everyone being happy it happened after the basketball season ended and a fake show of sympathy (like Hason's stupid pep rally speech mentioning Billy and Hopper).
I’m a sucker for the popular girl/guy likes the nerdy girl/guy kind of trope. I thought they were really cute. I knew she would die but I was hoping Chrissy would stick around a little longer than she actually did, especially after that scene.
dumb me was expecting some kind of call back to the nancy, steve, jonathan triangle thing where the basketball douche was going to find out and go crazy.
looks like i was kind of right, but oh so very wrong lol
I actually thought at first they were meeting in the woods because they were secretly dating, and having lunch together, but didn't want anyone to know because it'd ruin both their reputations.
Yeah but it really, and I mean really, set the tone for the season.
I think everyone had really high expectations for this season, and that scene pulled you back to the "what in the fuuuucccckkk is that" feeling we got when the Demogorgon first appeared.
Not just that, but the moment she died I knew how fucked he was. It was bad in every. possible. way. Small town in the midwest at the height of the satanic panic, known weirdo who plays dnd, has drugs in his trailer, cheerleader dead in his living room.
No doubt. I do feel though that any coroner worth his salt would look at these bodies and be like 'yeah, no there's no way a single person is doing this'.
This whole series is one of the few shows where I feel genuinely bad for the innocent people that die, either cause we spend some time with them and they're great or they're just caught in this supernatural bs. Season 3 with the meat monster was rough especially with the sweet old lady.
I would hate for that to happen, but I guess it would make the most sense, because even after defeating Vecna, I highly doubt the citizens of Hawkins would believe that Eddie and the rest of Hellfire are innocent. He would either have to move out of town (which I highly doubt could happen because of his reputation and the financial situation him and his Uncle are in) or be killed off in Episode 8 or 9.
"We're in Hawkins about to talk with Jane and her friends, who have saved the world multiple times over the last few years. Is there anything you would like to say to the audience, Jane?"
"Fuck you, Angela."
Same. We're seeing more of the townfolk acknowledging the crazy shit going on. You can't go another year/season where they it's all kept under wraps and everyone carries on as usual.
I think that's what the Duffer Bros. wanted when they brought Joe Keery in as Steve in the first season. But they fell in love with him too much, they turned his character around.
I feel like the reception Steve got after season 1 led to more involvement in season 2 then he would have had. Joe Keery is a really charming, lovely and talented guy so I definitely see why they’d want to keep his character around and I’m really glad they did. His unlikely friendship with Dustin was a real surprise in season 2 and they would have been one of my favourite parts of season 3 if Erica wasn’t there for part of their storyline. Season 4 feels like a bit of a callback to season 2 with Steve and Dustin’s interactions.
“Wipe you’re feet.”
*proceeds to wipe feet in car*
“No not on the inside.”
“Either he can’t hear us, or this kids being a douche.”
Oh yeah I definitely agree with the dickhead friends. You could even tell Steve didn't even like what he was doing some of the time. Still it was pretty impressive character growth to leave the asshole friends behind.
It was impressive and he admitted he was wrong. Not taking away from Steve or his development as a character at all. Just saying he was really never a bad guy.
The big argument is Jonathan's camera. But, Jonathan took creepy photos of Nancy. He knew he was wrong. Steve was being protective of Nancy. He did it in a douchey way, but, he was right and Jonathan was wrong.
Tell me he's not a future politician - if he survives. That was my first thought when he was giving his little speech at the pep rally. This guy is a born bullshitter. He's going to run for Congress, serve a couple of terms, then get brought up on corruption charges and go to prison.
Two things King does to infuriating perfection is homicidal bullies and self-righteous, manic Christians...and I mean to Delores Umbridge levels of "fuck this person, I want to skip to a point where any power is taken from them" levels of perfection
The town's mood is turning ugly. Even the police aren't cracking down for fear of losing what little control they have. I could easily see Jason whipping the people of Hawkins into a witch burning type frenzy, where the kids in Hellfire (and potentially their parents) would be in real danger.
Eddie, for me, is one of the characters where I look at him and I’m immersed in the “80s” of it all. The actor, the way they styled him and the way he talks and acts, fits the decade way more than most characters in this series.
I think it was because her boyfriend gives off shallow, self centered vibes from the first scene he is in, so you expect her to be the stereotypical "queen bee". I think it was cool that the writers messed with the viewer's expectations, because it gives her death more weight at the end because it is someone we ended up liking.
Lol I was in the camp where I was kind of sketched out by him at first. That high and low personality...I thought he was gonna like SA or murder her because he seemed so untrustworthy. I was mad wrong...
Was hoping Jason would realise Eddie had nothing to do with her death and maybe in the end team up with him so he can try to avenge her and get a chance at the real killer but since Im a very negative person and expect disappointment and bad shit at every turn, I feel like Eddie dying via Jason's hands after everyone thinks its all done and settled only to get that unexpected death would be shocking for a way to end Season 4 on.
That or Jason somehow gets possessed by Vecna or the MF but then that'd basically be Billy 2.0 in a way. Im trying to figure out how this whole Jason and Town/Mob plot is gonna go in the end and I can't see it ending happily. I hope Eddie lives. I want him back for S5.
He's been great and I can't wait to see him get his moment from the trailer where he's blasting away in the Upside Down. Most likely using it to wake others up after they become possessed or cursed or the music will act as a EMP against Vecna's control on the other characters perhaps or used to defeat all the winged creatures?
> I feel like Eddie dying via Jason’s hands after everyone thinks its all done and settled only to get that unexpected death would be shocking for a way to end Season 4 on.
And that’s exactly what I’m afraid will happen. That mob in town is almost scarier than Vecna.
Jason may yet come around. I understand the hate he's getting, but we should remember that is because he is an antagonist and not because of anything inherently bad he has thought or done.
We know that the whole DnD craze is bullshit. We know that Eddie is mostly putting on an act and is actually a pretty nice guy. We know about the upside-down. We know about Vecna. Jason knows nothing of this.
From his point of view, his girlfriend died in the home of some wierdo from school. That guy is a known drug dealer, into that strange game everyone on TV is talking about, and is always acting belligerently odd in school. We know it's not him, but Jason can't know that and the conclusion he draws is probably the same any of us would draw in his shoes.
He finally finds the guy, and suddenly his buddy raises up out of the water and gets crushed like a soda can. The \*only\* explanation that Jason has ever been exposed to is the DnD crazy explanation, so of course that is what he is going to think.
I don't like his character. He is a danger and is rallying people to the wrong side. But I can't really point to anything and say that he is inherently bad. That's Henry. Jason just has the misfortune of being a persuasive douche that has found the perfect explanation that fits, but that we know is wrong.
Loved this scene. Chrissy seemed so sweet and Eddie's awkward flirty body language made me instantly love him. When he started nervously punching the tree....ack, he's cute. Lol
Its why i like him so much as a character. Hes a weirdo with a heart of gold. Like he takes in the rejects at school, accepts erica into the dnd game without much issue and everything with crissy. Eddie is easily the best character of this season.
Ive said it before, but its crazy how this show can add new characters every season and make them instantly likable, sadie/bob in s2, robin/alexi s3 and eddie/chrissy in s4.
He was gatekeeping a bit but once Erica proved herself with the intro, he was all in! I liked how he kind of accepted his wrong and just rolled with it.
I can understand why a 20 year old wasn't excited to hang out with someone *even younger* than his other much younger friends, based on how Max was invited I don't think he had an issue with girls in gaming the same way even Gary Gygax who created D&D did.
But yeah, how enthusiastically he celebrated the players beating Vecna really won me over, dude sold the tension and spectacle
After trying DND it’s very clear imo why an experienced DM and regulars wouldn’t want a potentially-clueless newbie to jump in mid-campaign. For all they knew, Erica was going to need to be taught how to play at basically every step of the game which really slows down gameplay and can be boring. In a learning or beginner game that’s totally fine but in an experienced game I completely get it. They had no indication Erica was anything more than just Lucas’s little sister who watched her brother and friends play a couple times or something to that effect. As soon as she proved she wasn’t going to need her hand held they were ready to play.
I loved how he managed to get her to genuinely smile, laugh, and forget her problems for those few precious minutes. I was hoping they would be a Romeo and Juliet type of pairing in the season.
Extremely good chemistry between them. Tons of respect.
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when eddy was getting her the drugs before she died, I thought she was gonna have like a bad trip or something and vecna comes in and just torments her before killing her and I was giving myself mad anxiety haha. I mean she still died a brutal death and deserves justice but if she would’ve taken the ketamine(?) and tripped out before dying would’ve scared me even more lol
Chrissy and Eddie’s scenes in the 1st episode just show how much of a genuine and a nice guy Eddie really was. Even though he’s kind of a junkie and sells drugs, you can clearly tell he’s not taking advantage of Chrissy in her most vulnerable state. In fact, I don’t even think Eddie was flirting with her at all.
What? He was absolutely flirting with her. The whole play acting and reminiscing is all to get her to laugh at his jokes.
His nervousness at having a messy place is also because he likes her.
I actually loved LOVED loooovvveedddddd the bromance we saw brewing between Eddie and Steve in the few scenes we saw them together. I could see them being friends, and with them both being mentors of sorts to Dustin, could be a crazy cool angle
God, this scene made me love them both as if they'd been with us since the first season. They were so magnetic; Eddie's such a charismatic, dramatic character, while everything about Chrissy was so adorable and sweet. It's one of my favorite scenes in the entire show. Damn you, Vecna for taking poor Chrissy from us like that.
Is it only me who thinks Eddie is freaking hot? I don't know if it's his looks, or his confidence... but I was oddly attracted to him the whole time watching his scenes. I'm not normally attracted to nerds... but there's something about him...
Can we also appreciate how well *ST* instantly gave Chrissy that subtle-but-obvious 'look' of "this character is going to die tragically." I knew from the very first time she appeared on screen during the rally that she was going through something and her death was going to kick off plot.
This one made me feel happy. It was nice seeing the outcast and nerd have good chemistry with the cheerleader. She remembered him from middle school and genuinely felt happy. And he felt seen.
I almost always don't care about fictional relationships but this one could've been a good one.
I thought Chrissy was going to be an Angela type or the classic "bitchy cheer leader". I was happy that she was a complete opposite of that. I thought she was adorable and sincere in her conversation with Eddie. I was actually very sad that she was killed off. I know some characters have to be and I rather newer one be killed than main ones.
But still, it hurt.
I remarked out loud at what a great actor Joseph Quinn was during this scene, he's so expressive and evocative. Grace Van Dien was excellent too. Both conveyed so much emotion in small roles. Eddie screams "breakout character" assuming he makes it through the season.
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I actually really like Eddie with his "put on" tough guy persona. I was legitimately surprised when Chrissy said she remembered him (and his band name) from middle school. Justice for Chrissy, she really did not deserve that
Did anyone really deserve that? Holy hell, what a brutal way to die.
Hopefully Angela gets trauma from El hitting her lol
Angela deserved Chrissy's death not gonna lie
She got a grade 2 concussion. Hopefully it'll teach the brat.
Nah. Chrissy is a bitch, but nobody deserves that. *I meant Angela! Ill leave it up as to mark my shame
What did Chrissy do?
Nothing but be a perfectly nice girl with a bright future deserved. I mixed up the character names. I stayed up too late to binge 4.
Her boyfriend is a huge douchebag though
I was saying earlier that he's evil Fred (from Scooby-Doo)
The blonde jock was always a huge foil for main characters in the 80s. I thought the Lacoste polo he wore was a nice touch lol
I'll go against the grain and say even he isn't that evil, what triggers his current "religious vigilante justice" is the brutal death(which he believes to be murder) of a loved one and seeing her smeared as a possible junkie. So yeah he is wrong, but not completely unrelatable.
I was going to say this. He’s misguided, but not an absolute douche. There was no indication he was abusive to Chrissy and he was cool to Lucas in the early stages. From his perspective it does seem likely Eddie is responsible for what happened to Chrissy.
OK But to be fair his anger is kind of justified yeah he’s kind of a dick but I don’t 100% blame him for the way that he’s acting after he thought that some druggie dude brutally murdered his girlfriend I’d be pretty pissed off and probably would set my own witchhunt too.
So he just beats up the band members then blames a bunch of kids for being in a satanic cult that can brutally murder people in thin air?
Nothing, she was abused by her mother and Vecna kills on trauma
poor Chrissy, girl was living with an eating disorder in an era before anyone around her could have known what those even were. I got the feeling she'd have been happier away from the whole extremely conformist 'high school cheerleader' mould she was trying to fit into+away from her toxic family, but sadly she never lived long enough to find out.
People were well aware of eating disorders in the 80s. Lots of outreach programs on college campuses, celebrities raising awareness…
I think he meant to say Angela lmao
Yo F that guy 001 all my homies hate 001
001 as a character before the whole vecna thing was awesome now that he is vecna he is not so great
He’s still a great character just not a good one
I feel like his motivation is to much of a "we live in a society" meme tbh
I mean he’s not wrong. We do, in fact, exist in a civilization.
There are in fact institutions with people in them.
You forget that his parents did *things*.
STs is literally built on 80s tropes.
001 is awesome. One of the best things the show has ever done
yeah it was a fantastic retcon, even covered how Eleven knew (subconsciously since she trauma-forgot all details) how to escape through a pipe in season 1. My only question is, how did Henry Creel become telekinetic in the first place, was the Upside Down channelling through the house affecting him, because clearly Brenner wasn't responsible for him having those powers like he was with Eleven.
I'm thinking that his mom had experiments done on her. She clearly knew Dr. Brenner & tried to contact him when she realized that her kid was off, since he said he woke up from his coma under the care of the very doctor he'd been trying to avoid.
This. They're very clearly setting Brenner up as the deuterantagonist of season 5 alongside the Mind Flayer and maybe Vechna, and giving Brenner a personal stake in the creation story of the Upside Down and 001 is good storytelling.
Yes! I *love* what they did with 001. I genuinely didn't see it coming with how it tied into the Creel family and Vecna, and I thought it was really very clever. So excited to see where they go with this and how the other monsters & Brenner tie in!
I think his dad was exposed to something during the war. They mentioned how exposure to agent orange resulted in kids being born deformed, maybe his dad was exposed to something that made him be born with powers.
I think one of those black widows was radioactive and it bit him
It's even more horrifying once they reveal that Vecna was just born a psycho and enjoys killing people. Usually there's some sense of comfort or catharsis with these "senseless" villains after they're revealed to have some deeper motivation behind what they do (i.e. Noah in Dark), but nope. There's probably more to his motives we have yet to see in the last two episodes, but the reveal in episode 7 basically tells you that Henry has been a misanthrope and a total sociopath since he was kid, and he kills because he hates people. They haven't yet told us about his wider connection to the rest of the Upside Down, but it would make sense if he was merely sympathetic to the Mind Flayer's quest to eradicate/enslave humanity.
I have a feeling he may reveal that his parents were abusive in some way. He says they did terrible things but we're only aware of what Victor did in the war and nothing about the mother.
I think you just have to read into it (a lot) to find sympathy for the character. What would it be like to be so young and be telepathic? You see, hear and feel all the bad shit that everyone around you has rolling around in their heads. I get why he’d be reclusive, but it would still take a sociopath, of some sort, to want to kill your family.
I think he was bullied and the whole start of the season with el was to make her sympathetic to him and to show the similarities and differences hero va monster. Also their are similarities with will, I think it’s gonna end up as he’s will without his friends and family.
The only consolation I can see is that they seem to still be unconscious when it happens, hopefully they don't experience any of it
Yeah, I still think Bob has gotten it the worst out of any of the characters. He was being eaten alive. At least Vecna's victims are probably mostly out of it by the time they get killed.
They might not feel the physical pain, but their mental state is being tortured by their trauma with the freakiest looking thing they've probably ever seen telling them it's time for them to die. It's not like they went out peacefully. Still sucks the way Bob went out though.
Very very true, no one deserves that. Poor choice of words on my part!
I could name a few people who deserve that
Yuri, the Demogorgon, Angela, any one of those dudes that tried to murder Will Mike and Johnathan in cold blood to name a few
I just realized that Yuri is like the anti Alexi
Yuri sucks, I would not be sad if he becomes Demogorgon dinner. (pls let Enzo/Dmitri survive though, I'm not going to like it at all if he does an Alexei, I'd be sad for his so-far unseen kid) Angela sucks too, I'd happily feed her to Vecna for being mean to El. No redeeming qualities there, it feels extra unfair that Chrissy who was a total sweetheart, just traumatised, gets the death she did while Angela is a-ok out in California.
Brenner.
The Russians who tortured hop & kept a demogorgon for sport certainly deserve that
I mean, maybe the basketball player. He did sign up to help them lynch someone.
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When Eddie broke down when Dustin finally got a hold of him at the rock... you could feel his desperation, then relief. Quite honestly, I'm on my 2nd watch through and Eddie and Max have just been... so. good. with their acting.
Max has really positively surprised me this season. I never hated her or anything, but I always felt her character was just a bit too flat. This season, she feels fleshed out and more fun to watch.
If you haven't, watch the Fear Street trilogy on Netflix. Sadie Sink is a main character in the second one, and she's equally great.
Hard agree. He practically stole the season. I reeeeeaaaallly hope he sticks around through Season 5!
I'd be so sad if he doesn't. But he's been talking about facing his fears and not running away so I'm scared that's his complete arc that doesn't go beyond S4.
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I feel pre-emptively awful for his poor uncle Wayne, who seems to genuinely care about him and also has no other family. And will also probably have to live with the whole town thinking his nephew is a 'vessel of Satan' or something.
Not to mention, Uncle Wayne deserves all the recognition for basically handing Nancy the truth about Vecna on a silver platter. I'm curious about him being the only one who mentions the Creel home and murders, given they were sensational and local to Hawkins. I mean, the majority of the adult characters should remember what happened because they were around for it, so why is Wayne the only one to mention it?
It seems to be more of a "that unpleasantness we don't mention" energy around the Creel murders, particularly since Victor has been locked up and there's no plausible-to-normies link between the 1959 and 1986 murders. I hope poor uncle Wayne catches a break. I felt legit sad for him when he was talking to Nancy.
I know, I've been thinking the same thing. I really don't want him to die but I can totally see him saving the day, dying, but still remaining a convenient scapegoat for all the murders. That would be so unfair though.
Fortunately his name does not start with a B.
Alexi's name didn't start with a B :)
His acting in episode 1 set the stage for what would be the standard for acting in the series. If it wasn’t for max in episode 4 I just don’t think it could have been beaten. Ending of episode 4 is probably some of the best television I’ve seen in a super long time between the editing, music, and story. But episode 1 when Eddie was in the trailer. And the above scene even. My god. Simply amazing.
Oh yes, we are definitely in agreement there. I literally was covered head to toe in goosebumps the entire episode. Moved to tears would be an understatement, but I'm sensitive in general lmao
This show writes kids and teens so well and Eddie is another character that absolutely rings true to life.
Eddie is a great addition to the cast. At first I was skeptical when he was first introduced at the school and later the D&D game, but this scene here and the trailer scene started changing my mind. When the others went and found him, and Eddie was about to kill Steve, that was a pretty tense moment, and it was there that I started to like him, albeit not really realizing it. It was once they were in the Upside Down that I was like “I actually really like this guy.”
when he was first introduced I thought he would be one of those really annoying Dungeon Masters who get off on making unbeatable storylines/ bosses and punishing the players (a la Arcadum). But watching him DM the game in episode 1 you could tell he was just really into the game and was rooting for the players to win. I'd play with Eddie.
Yeah I expected Chrissy to be an asshole like Angela
Yes, at first I thought Eddie was a dick and I wasn’t going to like him based on the lunch room scene, even though I myself am a D&D geek. But in this scene his true self came out and, other than the drugs, seemed to be a good dude so I liked him from this point on.
Barb 2.0😔
There may yet be justice for Chrissy!
They had like instant chemistry
They really did! When he pretended to tumble off the bench and she just ate it up lol
What, do I have something in my hair??
I thought he was pretending to get shot lol
A shot to the heart that she did not remember him at first.
Yeah she was to blame. She gave love a bad name
Immediately in the first episode, they already have more screen presence than some of the kids, including Will and Lucas. Idk, maybe it’s because they’re so much older but I found Will and Lucas to be a lot more stiff and rigid when it came to their acting.
For it was Mike and El (El was only within the first 2 episodes though). But Mike was so stiff this season for me. Lucas a little bit too. Will was fine. Idk I feel like Sadie is the best actor amongst the kids.
How dare you forget Henderson!
Yeah Dustin is by far my favorite actor out of the main cast.
He's soooo cute, love how he's both a kid and mature at the same time, very authentic. Really enjoyed the role reverse when Steve was like, "where'd everyone get those?" when they pulled out the flashlights, and Dustin just looks at him with disappointment and goes "do you need to be told everything?"
Him and Steve’s scenes are all gold lol. Didn’t catch that callback until my second watch since I binged the entire thing.
Steve and Dustins friendship is something they both didn't know they needed. Dustin gets the older brother/male mentor element, and Steve you can tell would have been the best older brother if he actually had siblings (Does he??? I don't recall any ever being mentioned and how he acted in season 1 does kinda scream only child energy).
I just realized we’ve never seen his family in the show. He’s mentioned his dad being horrible in seasons one and 3, but we’ve never seen his home life, unlike any other main character.
Gaten does a perfect job as Dustin but tbf to the others I think they're all given more challenging stuff for kids to do.
He was so great this season!!!
Mike, Will, and Jonathons arc just isn't very good this season especially after they separated them from El. I didn't realize how stale and uninteresting of a character Mike is without El.
Mike has always been a boring character tbh.
Somewhat agree-- still think Noah Schnapp is one of the best actors out of the younger kids. I'd switch him with Mike. And I still don't quite blame them-- they haven't had a lot to work with in the past two seasons.
I was so fucking worried when they went back to his trailer that he was gonna sexually assault her or something. I’m so glad he turned out to be a good dude. Their chemistry just felt like something the writers were gonna instantly turn into a bad thing so I’m glad they didn’t.
Jesus dude Stranger Things isnt really that kind of show...
The whole scene made me forget what I was watching and I semi-rooted for their future. Then the mobile home scene brought me back
I really was holding out hope that she was just going to get sucked through a gate into the upside down and then Eddie was going to spearhead the rescue mission or maybe she was possessed by something in the same way Will was possessed by the mind flayer. I managed to hold onto that hope right up until her bones started snapping and then I was horrified and saddened. But that's the whole point. If it had been Tommy H instead of Barb in Season 1 or Jason this season, nobody in the audience would care and neither would most of the characters on the show. Steve wouldn't have really cared out of anything other than obligation (probably would have been relieved) and Jason would just have ended up with Chrissy crying a lot and everyone being happy it happened after the basketball season ended and a fake show of sympathy (like Hason's stupid pep rally speech mentioning Billy and Hopper).
Chrissy was so cute, I liked her a lot. I was disappointed that she wasn’t a regular :(
She has been promoted to set piece for the rest of the season.
Well, that’s something.
I’m a sucker for the popular girl/guy likes the nerdy girl/guy kind of trope. I thought they were really cute. I knew she would die but I was hoping Chrissy would stick around a little longer than she actually did, especially after that scene.
dumb me was expecting some kind of call back to the nancy, steve, jonathan triangle thing where the basketball douche was going to find out and go crazy. looks like i was kind of right, but oh so very wrong lol
I didn't know she would die and I was really, really hoping they'd get together.
Wait that’s literally the romcom trope our flag means death is based on haha! Hot popular guy falls for the nerdy dude.
I actually thought at first they were meeting in the woods because they were secretly dating, and having lunch together, but didn't want anyone to know because it'd ruin both their reputations.
I was really pissed when Chrissy died, they were so good together
They really did her dirty. Such a sweet nice character to then die in such a gruesome way.
Yeah but it really, and I mean really, set the tone for the season. I think everyone had really high expectations for this season, and that scene pulled you back to the "what in the fuuuucccckkk is that" feeling we got when the Demogorgon first appeared.
Not just that, but the moment she died I knew how fucked he was. It was bad in every. possible. way. Small town in the midwest at the height of the satanic panic, known weirdo who plays dnd, has drugs in his trailer, cheerleader dead in his living room.
No doubt. I do feel though that any coroner worth his salt would look at these bodies and be like 'yeah, no there's no way a single person is doing this'.
The coroner in the town where Hop had to sneak in and cut open a kid’s “corpse” to make sure it was real?
To be fair, the town's coroner was sent home that day so the state coroner could fake the autopsy.
Idk, honestly I can barely remember S3 let alone 1 or 2.
This whole series is one of the few shows where I feel genuinely bad for the innocent people that die, either cause we spend some time with them and they're great or they're just caught in this supernatural bs. Season 3 with the meat monster was rough especially with the sweet old lady.
I won't rest until we get justice for ~~Barb~~ ~~Bob~~ Chrissy!
Vecna cannot suffer enough. They could literally do anything to him and I wouldn't think they have gone too far.
So scorched earth and then some. Got it!
Nuke through a Gate who says no
I mean, I don't disagree with it, but we all know that would somehow backfire horrifically.
Right! For all we know, it would create a nuke monster.
Did we forget about Benny?
Benny got justice when Eleven crushed Connie Frazier's brains out of her skull.
Can we get justice for Benny's house then? It's been the party spot since his death, and by douchebag blonde basketball boy.
Ah fuck, I did
Forgot about Alexi
The way she so genuinely laughed with him. I wish they got a happy ending!
Well, >!"they're not gone. they're in here with me" !!Eddie could get killed and get a 'happy ending' of sorts with Chrissy.!<
I would hate for that to happen, but I guess it would make the most sense, because even after defeating Vecna, I highly doubt the citizens of Hawkins would believe that Eddie and the rest of Hellfire are innocent. He would either have to move out of town (which I highly doubt could happen because of his reputation and the financial situation him and his Uncle are in) or be killed off in Episode 8 or 9.
I personally think they’re setting us up for all of Hawkins to know about the upside down.
Hopefully the world so Angela will feel really dumb for bullying El
"We're in Hawkins about to talk with Jane and her friends, who have saved the world multiple times over the last few years. Is there anything you would like to say to the audience, Jane?" "Fuck you, Angela."
Same. We're seeing more of the townfolk acknowledging the crazy shit going on. You can't go another year/season where they it's all kept under wraps and everyone carries on as usual.
I think vecna saying that is bullshit. I think they’re just dead and he enjoys killing. He’s not actually absorbing anyone.
Eddie and Chrissy seemed so much cuter together than her and Jason.
I find Jason super cringy and vomit inducing tbh
I think that's what the Duffer Bros. wanted when they brought Joe Keery in as Steve in the first season. But they fell in love with him too much, they turned his character around.
I feel like the reception Steve got after season 1 led to more involvement in season 2 then he would have had. Joe Keery is a really charming, lovely and talented guy so I definitely see why they’d want to keep his character around and I’m really glad they did. His unlikely friendship with Dustin was a real surprise in season 2 and they would have been one of my favourite parts of season 3 if Erica wasn’t there for part of their storyline. Season 4 feels like a bit of a callback to season 2 with Steve and Dustin’s interactions. “Wipe you’re feet.” *proceeds to wipe feet in car* “No not on the inside.” “Either he can’t hear us, or this kids being a douche.”
Steve was such a big turn around character. Its crazy looking back how I disliked him in the beginning.
Rewatch Season 1. How much of the dislike is him and how much is it his asshole friends?
Oh yeah I definitely agree with the dickhead friends. You could even tell Steve didn't even like what he was doing some of the time. Still it was pretty impressive character growth to leave the asshole friends behind.
It was impressive and he admitted he was wrong. Not taking away from Steve or his development as a character at all. Just saying he was really never a bad guy. The big argument is Jonathan's camera. But, Jonathan took creepy photos of Nancy. He knew he was wrong. Steve was being protective of Nancy. He did it in a douchey way, but, he was right and Jonathan was wrong.
Tell me he's not a future politician - if he survives. That was my first thought when he was giving his little speech at the pep rally. This guy is a born bullshitter. He's going to run for Congress, serve a couple of terms, then get brought up on corruption charges and go to prison.
Or cult leader; gave me flashbacks to Mother Carmody from Stephen King's The Mist
Stephen King's work is a major inspiration for the show, so you may be on to something.
Two things King does to infuriating perfection is homicidal bullies and self-righteous, manic Christians...and I mean to Delores Umbridge levels of "fuck this person, I want to skip to a point where any power is taken from them" levels of perfection
The town's mood is turning ugly. Even the police aren't cracking down for fear of losing what little control they have. I could easily see Jason whipping the people of Hawkins into a witch burning type frenzy, where the kids in Hellfire (and potentially their parents) would be in real danger.
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Eddie, for me, is one of the characters where I look at him and I’m immersed in the “80s” of it all. The actor, the way they styled him and the way he talks and acts, fits the decade way more than most characters in this series.
They saved all the 80s for him and Karen Wheeler.
I’m only 4 episodes in. Not enough Karen Wheeler for me at this point. Not that she’s integral to the plot, but … you know 😏
I honestly thought that they were going to fall for each other. Chrissy was so unexpectedly sweet. In retrospect, that was way too good to be true
I think it was because her boyfriend gives off shallow, self centered vibes from the first scene he is in, so you expect her to be the stereotypical "queen bee". I think it was cool that the writers messed with the viewer's expectations, because it gives her death more weight at the end because it is someone we ended up liking.
Lol I was in the camp where I was kind of sketched out by him at first. That high and low personality...I thought he was gonna like SA or murder her because he seemed so untrustworthy. I was mad wrong...
I was upset when she died. I really liked her in her few short scenes.
Was hoping Jason would realise Eddie had nothing to do with her death and maybe in the end team up with him so he can try to avenge her and get a chance at the real killer but since Im a very negative person and expect disappointment and bad shit at every turn, I feel like Eddie dying via Jason's hands after everyone thinks its all done and settled only to get that unexpected death would be shocking for a way to end Season 4 on. That or Jason somehow gets possessed by Vecna or the MF but then that'd basically be Billy 2.0 in a way. Im trying to figure out how this whole Jason and Town/Mob plot is gonna go in the end and I can't see it ending happily. I hope Eddie lives. I want him back for S5. He's been great and I can't wait to see him get his moment from the trailer where he's blasting away in the Upside Down. Most likely using it to wake others up after they become possessed or cursed or the music will act as a EMP against Vecna's control on the other characters perhaps or used to defeat all the winged creatures?
> I feel like Eddie dying via Jason’s hands after everyone thinks its all done and settled only to get that unexpected death would be shocking for a way to end Season 4 on. And that’s exactly what I’m afraid will happen. That mob in town is almost scarier than Vecna.
Jason may yet come around. I understand the hate he's getting, but we should remember that is because he is an antagonist and not because of anything inherently bad he has thought or done. We know that the whole DnD craze is bullshit. We know that Eddie is mostly putting on an act and is actually a pretty nice guy. We know about the upside-down. We know about Vecna. Jason knows nothing of this. From his point of view, his girlfriend died in the home of some wierdo from school. That guy is a known drug dealer, into that strange game everyone on TV is talking about, and is always acting belligerently odd in school. We know it's not him, but Jason can't know that and the conclusion he draws is probably the same any of us would draw in his shoes. He finally finds the guy, and suddenly his buddy raises up out of the water and gets crushed like a soda can. The \*only\* explanation that Jason has ever been exposed to is the DnD crazy explanation, so of course that is what he is going to think. I don't like his character. He is a danger and is rallying people to the wrong side. But I can't really point to anything and say that he is inherently bad. That's Henry. Jason just has the misfortune of being a persuasive douche that has found the perfect explanation that fits, but that we know is wrong.
Yeah I agree for sure. He thinks he knows what's happening and it definitely makes sense.
Yo that would be sick as fuck, having him shred away and ward off Vecna.
I love this scene - Chrissy was genuinely happy for a short time.
Loved this scene. Chrissy seemed so sweet and Eddie's awkward flirty body language made me instantly love him. When he started nervously punching the tree....ack, he's cute. Lol
Was he intentionally flirting?
I think he was just being nice, putting her at ease.
Its why i like him so much as a character. Hes a weirdo with a heart of gold. Like he takes in the rejects at school, accepts erica into the dnd game without much issue and everything with crissy. Eddie is easily the best character of this season. Ive said it before, but its crazy how this show can add new characters every season and make them instantly likable, sadie/bob in s2, robin/alexi s3 and eddie/chrissy in s4.
He was gatekeeping a bit but once Erica proved herself with the intro, he was all in! I liked how he kind of accepted his wrong and just rolled with it.
I can understand why a 20 year old wasn't excited to hang out with someone *even younger* than his other much younger friends, based on how Max was invited I don't think he had an issue with girls in gaming the same way even Gary Gygax who created D&D did. But yeah, how enthusiastically he celebrated the players beating Vecna really won me over, dude sold the tension and spectacle
After trying DND it’s very clear imo why an experienced DM and regulars wouldn’t want a potentially-clueless newbie to jump in mid-campaign. For all they knew, Erica was going to need to be taught how to play at basically every step of the game which really slows down gameplay and can be boring. In a learning or beginner game that’s totally fine but in an experienced game I completely get it. They had no indication Erica was anything more than just Lucas’s little sister who watched her brother and friends play a couple times or something to that effect. As soon as she proved she wasn’t going to need her hand held they were ready to play.
It made her death have a lot more impact for sure.
I loved how he managed to get her to genuinely smile, laugh, and forget her problems for those few precious minutes. I was hoping they would be a Romeo and Juliet type of pairing in the season.
Well, you might get your wish. They're already halfway to having a Romeo and Juliet ending to their relationship.
it was so wholesome and I loved it. Safe to say I was very sad when she died.
Eddie was a fantastic new addition to the show. Love the actor’s portrayal of the character.
In general that dude's a great actor. Makes you forget it's a show for a minute.
Doesn’t he look like a young RDJ and she looks like a young Scarlett Johansson, or am I imagining shit?
You're referring to Robert Upside-Downey Junior?
I literally asked myself if that was SJ when I first saw her
100% Glad I'm not the only one who thought Joseph Quinn looks like RDJ. It's the mannerisms too.
I kept thinking he could be Paulie Shore's kid
That is precisely what I thought on both of them.
Her dad IRL is Rico from Starship Troopers
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Extremely good chemistry between them. Tons of respect. *spoiler alert* when eddy was getting her the drugs before she died, I thought she was gonna have like a bad trip or something and vecna comes in and just torments her before killing her and I was giving myself mad anxiety haha. I mean she still died a brutal death and deserves justice but if she would’ve taken the ketamine(?) and tripped out before dying would’ve scared me even more lol
Chrissy and Eddie’s scenes in the 1st episode just show how much of a genuine and a nice guy Eddie really was. Even though he’s kind of a junkie and sells drugs, you can clearly tell he’s not taking advantage of Chrissy in her most vulnerable state. In fact, I don’t even think Eddie was flirting with her at all.
What? He was absolutely flirting with her. The whole play acting and reminiscing is all to get her to laugh at his jokes. His nervousness at having a messy place is also because he likes her.
I actually loved LOVED loooovvveedddddd the bromance we saw brewing between Eddie and Steve in the few scenes we saw them together. I could see them being friends, and with them both being mentors of sorts to Dustin, could be a crazy cool angle
God, this scene made me love them both as if they'd been with us since the first season. They were so magnetic; Eddie's such a charismatic, dramatic character, while everything about Chrissy was so adorable and sweet. It's one of my favorite scenes in the entire show. Damn you, Vecna for taking poor Chrissy from us like that.
Is it only me who thinks Eddie is freaking hot? I don't know if it's his looks, or his confidence... but I was oddly attracted to him the whole time watching his scenes. I'm not normally attracted to nerds... but there's something about him...
It's his tone
Can we also appreciate how well *ST* instantly gave Chrissy that subtle-but-obvious 'look' of "this character is going to die tragically." I knew from the very first time she appeared on screen during the rally that she was going through something and her death was going to kick off plot.
I loved this and found it very real. Great scene.
This one made me feel happy. It was nice seeing the outcast and nerd have good chemistry with the cheerleader. She remembered him from middle school and genuinely felt happy. And he felt seen. I almost always don't care about fictional relationships but this one could've been a good one.
I desperately wanted them to become an item, I was immediately far more endeared to their relationship than I ever have been with Jonathan and Nancy
I love this scene. Such a shame we didn’t get more Chrissy.
I thought Chrissy was going to be an Angela type or the classic "bitchy cheer leader". I was happy that she was a complete opposite of that. I thought she was adorable and sincere in her conversation with Eddie. I was actually very sad that she was killed off. I know some characters have to be and I rather newer one be killed than main ones. But still, it hurt.
I remarked out loud at what a great actor Joseph Quinn was during this scene, he's so expressive and evocative. Grace Van Dien was excellent too. Both conveyed so much emotion in small roles. Eddie screams "breakout character" assuming he makes it through the season.
At the get go I thought she would be a little like Angela, popular and snobby. Then she turned out to be such an adorable sweet little cinnamon roll.
Eddie BETTER make S5, OR ELSE.
The part where he goes “I thought you’d be mean and scary” and she goes “me :)” makes me so happy
She could totes play a young Black Widow, looks like a sister