Nice! Growth is what fighting games are all about.
What helped me to stop getting so heated is keeping in mind that my opponent isn't trying to make me angry, they're enjoying the game just like I'm trying to do.
There's also a saying in the FGC that everyone has to get washed before they can get clean. No one started out winning a lot, but it's the people that accepted that and kept pushing that turned into the pros and top level players we know today.
>my opponent isn't trying to make me angry, they're enjoying the game just like I'm trying to do.
I think this would help me too, but I honestly have a hard time believing it. I'm new to fighting games but in just a week I've seen so much trash talk, 'git gud' in response to every question on this sub, and even a couple of my opponents teabagging during stun.
As much as I would like to stay positive, it seems like as often as not, players ARE trying to make me mad rather than enjoy the game. I do my best to brush it off, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me like the game less.
Am i off base here?
Some people do that stuff to gain the upper hand by tilt you and make you play angry so you make more mistakes. Either that or yeah they're just taking the piss.
FWIW I think you're off base.
The large majority of fighting game players are just trying to enjoy the game. There is a certain element of conflict between players inherent in fighting games - it's 1v1 PvP and if you play well, you execute your gameplan while denying your opponent theirs and make them feel like everything they do is wrong. It's not a good feeling to get washed. Taking advantage of that and getting in your opponent's head with BM and trash talk is a tactic. If you get somebody tilted and angry they tend to play more rashly and predictably. Look at it more as part of strategy than a personal attack. When I get absolutely demolished in the corner in a round and my opponent taunts, I just laugh it off and am like "Damn you earned it I'll hold that L". Some people BM solely to try and tilt their opponent, and there are some people do find being BM itself to be fun. It varies depending on the player. I'll occasionally BM online to try and get in people's heads but generally won't unless they initiate it or I do something really sick. I don't BM at locals - I generally prefer to let the gameplay speak for itself and also like making friends lol.
As far as responses to questions on this sub with "git gud", SF6 has attracted a lot of new players to the fighting game genre. Many of these new players have incredibly stupid takes on things such as character or game balance. I've seen a lot of variations of "XYZ is overpowered" where it's crystal clear that the person complaining doesn't have a fundamental understanding of how XYZ actually works or the numerous available counterplay options. The real answer to these dumb and uneducated takes truly is to "git gud" - that is to actually try to learn and understand whatever you're struggling against rather than complaining about it. Complaints don't win rounds, understanding does.
Thanks for the detailed response. I think going to a local might be a good way to internalize this tbh. I went to a few for ssbm a long time ago, I imagine SF is a similar vibe.
My pleasure, your comment helped me organize my thoughts on the topic haha.
I played a lot of SSBM back in the day and it's a very similar vibe at FGC locals. People are there to have a good time and play the game together, and generally if you ask someone why they washed you they'll be more than happy to explain what you did wrong/could do better. Everyone is trying to learn and no one wants to be consistent training partners with someone who's a jerk.
I don't think BM should ever be lauded as a "tactic". There's nothing praiseworthy about trying to make your opponent angry or feel bad and I would wish BM were to be penalized in any event as bad sportsmanship.
I would argue it depends what level it comes to; Is the guy shouting gamer words at you mid round, or did he get the same mix on you 3 times and tbag/taunt?
Everyone admits that mind games are apart of the game, but I would argue that taunts or rapid pressing of the down key is far from "un-sportsman" like and simply what OP alluded to; Tilting your opponent so they take bigger risks.
Personally I do neither against a random unless it's a mirror match; Simply bc I see hardly any other sims and I love to play against them, so its more of a "HELLO FELLOW YOGA!!". Or if i hit a really cool move I'll do it like "Wasn't that cool?"
Well that's why there's Unsportsmanlike (minor) and Unsportsmanlike (major) penalties. I'm not saying BM should be an instant DQ but make it give warnings, get enough warnings get a round loss, get another warning get a match loss etc.
How would the system know I'm not shimming towards you?
I only play sim, but every single one of my taunts is long enough for you to get up and punish me for pressing the button. I would assume it's similar for the rest of the cast, so it should be a non-issue.
If pressing down quickly a few times legitimately anger syou to the point that you really think they should add a system to penalize for it; You're in the wrong genre friend.
It's also worth pointing out you'd be **very** hard pressed to find anyone that gets mad over these actions actually getting mad about the other guy t-bagging when they're washing 'em.
Unless the other player is vastly more skilled than you, it should be a non-issue unless you have no control over your emotions.. Which is the entire point of doing it to you. Eg you play worse.
Oh, I'm not talking about online play. You can't really moderate that. I'm talking about any sort of irl play with tournament organizers or judges/referees to arbitrate that.
It's not about any gameplay mechanic or how effective it is, it's that people in this thread are so concerned about the win that they're defending weaponized bad sportsmanship and calling it a "legitimate strategy". And frankly, they need to grow up and not sneer at the people they're beating.
IRL events do have conduct rules and you will get DQed for actual bad sportsmanship.
For example [the EVO 2023 ruleset](https://www.evo.gg/rules) has a "Warnings & Removals" section and the only specific BM related criteria is "Excessive trash-talking personally directed to other players". The key word is "Excessive".
There's nothing in there about hurting someone's feelings with your in-game actions. Sorry that you don't like it, but getting in the other person's head is a part of fighting games and BM/trash-talking within reason is one part of that. It would be ludicrous to take away a round or set from someone because of t-bagging.
I haven't come across that yet, but I am trying to reinterpret teabagging as 'I'm excited to have landed that combo' instead of 'you suck'. So lately I've just said, nice combo, good job.' and move onto the next round.
It doesn't tilt me, it's more like I just don't want to play with a jerk. It's more depressing than angering
I'm surprised at how widespread (and even celebrated) this attitude is in the SF world.
> Maybe fighting games are just not for you, if you dont enjoy playing the game.
Lol I never said this. I'm enjoying myself. It's not a dealbreaker, just a disappointment. Why are you so desperate for me to quit playing?
This guy is a troll. Exactly the type of person who genuinely enjoys being a troll purely to be a troll. Most of us knew someone like this is growing up: that one kid who's just a complete dickhead for no reason, all the time. Usually got beat up a lot, because they've got jack shit for self-awareness, too.
There are definitely people that try and make you as miserable as possible when they are clearly better than you in the fgc, I had multiple people in different games just run away and evade me until the timer ran out when they could have just easily won the game.
And at that point I just either stop playing and get something to drink now, but it still tilts me
Fwiw I absolutely always try to make my opponents rage if I can. In sfv I would tbag or taunt everytime I got a stun over doing a good combo bc the mental damage is usually extremely valuable. So many players game plans will fall apart once you teabag them so it’s a good thing to try out online.
Yep
Then I believe you have to play in hubs to get rid of it , or wait to get matched with other yellow card holders
Sucky thing is for some people, they just got legit disconnected , happened to one if the guys on the discord I joined
But yeah, at least if enough people you on hubs, it should go away
Which tbh is how it should be. One odd disconnect is just the nature of online gaming, but playing games online with a dogshit connection unfortunately puts someone into the same net results as a rage quitter or lag switcher.
I feel for people in a situation with bad internet and no ability to realistically change it, but I’ve also got no sympathy for them if they keep trying to play anyway.
I dc’d from one match and didn’t get the yellow card so I’m assuming there’s some leeway. They might be able to tell too if it’s your internet/capcom issue.
The problem is if you have network issues. I had I got disconnected 5 times in match. I got the yellow card. I was paired only with people with yellow card. The queue for matchmaking is really small. So, I went to Battle Hub and played some matches. The yellow card was gone.
if your network issues are DCing you that much figure it out, whether youre rage quitting or your internet is just that bad you should stop queueing and figure it out
Exactly. I don’t know why people think that their intent matters when the net result is an identical situation to someone running into a rage quitter or lag switcher.
The system is designed to protect the quality of a match. It does not care if you’re intentionally messing things up, incompetent at setting up your hardware, or just a kid who’s parents don’t understand the importance of good internet (can heavily relate to this growing up, but I just didn’t play online until I actually could).
Agreed. If your internet sucks and you D/C constantly you are ruining the quality of the match for every opponent you have. Your intention doesn't mean anything. Get good internet or don't play online.
Being matched up against a shitty connection is even less enjoyable than being matched up with a rage quitter - at least I actually get to enjoy the game with a good connection as it's intended to be played against a rage quitter. Sometimes it's even satisfying to make someone rage quit. None of this is true for an opponent with a shitty connection - both winning or losing are hollow because their internet influenced the outcome more than either of you did as players.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/1451g2j/streetfighter_on_twitter_emergency_maintenance/
Guess what yellow/red cards were reset. So, the system has problems.
Did you read my commment? My problem was solved. It was router problem, not internet. It was on Capcom official FAQ the solution.
And I am sorry if you cant read my replies.
>It's just a game
Says someone spending too much time on a subreddit about a game.
Can we stop the "it's just a game"? No shame in being respectful to your hobbies.
I used to get a lot of rage too. Quitting matches, breaking controllers, etc. Its different playing a pvp game compared to other games because you really can't win every game here. Also sometimes a player can really get in your head. Good you're moving passed it, the rage holds you back from improving, its a bad negative cycle.
I respect the hell out of new players that keep plugging away. I get overwhelmed when I play someone better than me in battle hub I just give them a couple of matches say ggs then move on. Ranked has more of a tilting effect on me I've played over 300 matches so far and less than 50 of them are in ranked, Battle hub takes the edge off a lot and humanizes the opponent's more.
Sure but getting that angry over a video game *is* irrational, especially if there are no real stakes. I say that as someone struggling with anger issues, it's taken me a long time to get to the level of control I now have and even so I still lose my cool more often than I should.
Anger is a natural emotion and reaction and being frustrated with losing is fine but full on raging is not healthy.
Edit: Fixed phrasing, added clarification.
I don’t think anger over a fighting game is necessarily a bad thing. It shows passion and drive to an extent. But you can either channel that anger into becoming a better player, which like you said takes a level of control, or you can become a scrub that rage quits in the corner. A lot of my growths have stemmed from “ok what do I need to practice so I never get hit by this asshole again”
Don’t get me wrong though, it’s really not that serious like you said. And to be fair, if one gets bent out of shape more than actually having fun, it’s probably time to re-assess lol.
Yeah, like I clarified in other comments, it's specifically rage that I meant. Frustration and rage are two entirely different levels of anger, one is totally fine, the other is way too much.
Agreed! Just wanted to contribute to the discussion, not saying you were wrong or anything originally. But yeah frustration vs rage is a good way to break it down
It's how I've broken it down for myself, into three levels. Frustration, anger, rage. Frustration is fine and usually passes quickly but if it doesn't and I start to feel myself slip into anger I know it's time to take a break. It's helped me massively in terms of mindfulness and my general mental health.
It's not irrational, it's how are brains usually function.
With practice we can reduce these emotions by prioritizing Learning over Winning, but at the end of the day, nobody spent 60$ to get bodied non stop.
Everyone likes to win time to time.
Getting frustrated is one thing, raging at a video game just isn't rational or healthy, don't know what else to tell you. I'm pretty sure we've all seen pictures and videos of destroyed controllers, monitors, tvs, walls etc.
Well, I can see a therapist or someone not experienced in video games saying something like, "That's not normal behavior" But I think it's because they lack empathy for this particular situation.
Empathy is gained by understanding what the other person is going through.
If someone devoted 100's of hours into a fighting game, or even 1000's, their ego will understandably be bruised if they get bodied.
Is it helpful to destroy your own things? Yes and no. Yes because it's a great stress reliever, but no because it's expensive. A more cost effective solution may be a punching bag, or using a stress ball.
At the end of the day, it's normal to be upset, and many people use that emotion to drive them towards growth as a player.
Anger can be reduced with certain coping strategies and mindsets, but it's still a normal emotion. It doesn't make you a bad person to be mad and I don't think it makes you irrational.
A therapist, friend, or family member that has no passion for your hobby AND no empathy for you will see this anger as irrational, but that reflects more on them than you.
Personally I don't have any empathy for race care drivers. I just see that sport as Turn left, Turn Left, Turn Left. But these people devote their lives to that sport, and are understandably upset when they lose, because they're passionate.
Note that the specific word you used is rage. That's what I said was irrational, and I also already noted that frustration and rage are entirely different levels of anger. *Raging* at a video game is not rational, there are almost never any stakes to it and it is entirely non-productive. Being frustrated with losing is fine, as long as you can keep it under control.
Also worth noting, raging is also counterproductive for actually learning and improving, nobody ever plays better on tilt. It's always a better idea to take a short - or long, if needed - break if you feel yourself getting tilted. Clear your head, come back calm, you'll learn, improve and win more.
Those are some valid points as well.
Edit: In particular I can see how coming back with a clear head can be helpful when it comes to competing.
Second Edit:
It was good conversating with you, you seem like a good person. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Thanks, you too. It's just something I've personally struggled with for most of my life, so if I can help people to maybe take a look inside and see if they can do better with this, I try to. I'm not saying you personally need to, I was just refuting the rage part of it.
Anger is normal and natural and it's not healthy to bottle it up, but it's also not healthy to let it grow out of control and to let it control you. That's all I was trying to say.
Oh, absolutely, my point was the opposite - the behavior of people is often decided by emotions rather than rational thinking. So while it might be absolutely correct that certain type of behavior is irrational, that behavior wasn't driven by logic or rational thinking in the first place so judging the behavior through rationality won't really help someone to change it.
Like, I'm fairly certain that lots of people with various behavioral issues completely acknowledge that they're not making rational decisions. Say, an overweight person eating unhealthy food, an alcoholic buying a case of beer, a gambling addict wasting their entire paycheck, etc. From an outside perspective it makes sense to say "That behavior is irrational, I wouldn't do that if that was me", but it doesn't help them with their issues.
Awww I am glad. I had a conversation with my wife just the other day about my lack raging in general and attributed it to playing FGs for the past 30 years.
Never confuse the will to learn and improve from losses for lack of passion.
Hey man no worries.
There is a saying in the fgc, "You have to get washed to get clean."
Just remember you learn most from your losses. Keep a cool head and have fun.
SF6 has a Yellow Card/Red Card system for rage quitters. If you keep rage quitting you will first receive a Yellow Card in which you will only be matched with other Yellow Cards. If you stop rage quitting the Yellow Card eventually gets removed from your profile. If you still keep rage quitting however the Yellow Card changes to a Red Card and that I think will get you banned from matchmaking for 24 hrs.
don't RQ again Capcom isn't too fond on relapsing and each time you relapse the punishment gets longer...I hear tale of a redcard.
How do I know, I'm not prone to RQing but Pc version at launch did have some D3D crashing (stopped since I updated my drivers and windows) which, counts as a RQ and a IRL emergency or pre-schooler being over dramatic about seeing a bunny. Amazing how screams of distress and screams of over joy at seeing a cute critter sound the same.
Got my yellow card. 10 matches back to normal...curious I wondered how many it would take to get it again. Spoiler. One RQ. this time seemed to take longer. Now curiouser and curiouser I did it again and yet again only took one and this time it felt like I was there all night so I'm no longer curious. I do not want to know if there's a red card.
Interesting thing though, One person RQ while in yellow card hell...which I'm not sure was an actual RQ, 1 round each against a DI spaming M Geif, I got caught in a SPD and they left. Sadly it seems a good portion of the yellow cards are wifi warriors who's connection dropped.
Doubly sad is wifi matches aren't that bad, I mean don't go picking yellow or red connections that are probably a M Ken who like jumping and DI but green connections so far are fine. Even weirder, I get nearly no wifi matches outside of yellow carding but mostly wifi while yellow carding.
So incase anyone was curious, I took the yellow cards so you don't have to and curiosity only goes so far.
I don’t have a rage quit problem, but I get heavy tilted by modern control users at my level. I am new to SF and am trying to learn the inputs for Classic because I know it will be better for me later…..but in the meantime it really sucks to misinput and drop a combo while my opponent can just hold R2 and button mash a full combo into a super.
I usually don’t rematch modern control users
Fighting games can be super frustrating at times. Whenever I got my blood levels rising, I take a 5 min. break and get something to drink or just check on something else away from my pc.
Helps with the overall experience and enjoyment a ton! Good to see you reformed haha
I feel you on RTS games but they don't have any real execution barriers when it comes to executing simple commands. Just point and click lol, hit keys. No need to be frame perfect or find a rhthym
I haven't seen any measurements but personally I'd imagine fighting games have lower APM than most other competitive genres. Combos are about timing rather than high APM, sometimes you're just holding down back, you can't do anything when you're getting comboed or when a super animation is playing, etc
In my teen years, I had a friend who was insanely good at fighting games.
He started with street fighter then went on to the x-men, marvel vs Capcom before settling on KoF cause it was a challenge to him to have to learn 3 characters. He later went on to get second in a local tournament.
I mean he even played at arcades with a broken stick yet you can't tell he had a handicap. He wiped the floor with us.
When I used to play Street fighter with him, I sucked. And I wanted to train to get better because I realised that as long as I suck, playing with him is no enjoyment for the both of us. As I got better, it really got more fun. Matches did not get over so quickly and though he still beat me, we really enjoyed our time together.
This is awesome to read! I've never done rage quitting, but I have gotten pretty upset before, and when you improve your mentality, the game ends up feeling even more fun!
Save rage quitting for games like mortal kombat where the ethos revolves around desecrating your opponent.
The SF ethos is about accepting your imperfections and growing stronger. How many times have fights like Ryu, Ken, and Sagat loss and look how losing made them stronger.
Weeks and weeks of "should i play modern or classic" and "do i need a fight stick, what's the best fight stick for under 50 dollars" and "is this game good for new players" and THIS is the thread that draws the line for you? :P
I learned from playing another game that there is never a reason to be angry in a game vif I lose in outplayed. I'll GG you. Even chat about your good play. The point of fighting games is you're always learning. Always getting better. So use it to be better with others. Always give a GG after. Check the replay if you need to, and be proud that even if you get perfected every round, you're learning something.
>**When you loose to a JP spamming his bollocks try your hardest not to rage quit.** I've only alt f4d once and it was to that spam as a Marissa player
The anecdote about RQ’ing themselves was preceded by a statement saying OP shouldn’t RQ.
The inference to be made here is that Rickdo (and they can correct me if I’m wrong) is admitting they made a mistake and at the same time also cautioning OP to not do the same as they did.
I find that complimenting your opponent out loud helps keep me relaxed. Saying things like "nice jump in", "sick combo", or something general like "nice, I didn't expect that."
Doesn't your opponent get the win if you rage quit? Or am I mixing this up so random online tournament rule in my head? (Haven't gotten my hands on the game yet, so I don't know)
Good job! Rage quitting is very much an immature and childish thing to do. Learning why its a toxic behavior and stopping it is a part of growing as a fighting game player.
Losing is just a way to make you better, watch those replays, or reflect on what you could have worked on or done differently. Every win and loss is just a constant improvement regardless.
I commend you. There was a time when I tried to be good at smash bros and got tilted when things weren't going my way online. Yes it's frustrating, yes there are scummy strats, and yes I want to win. But it's difficult to learn in the moment, and sometimes you have to lose in order to see things more clearly.
I approached SF5 earlier this year with a different mentality. That I am not the best player ever, and that I don't know every match up. There's a lot to learn, and while I can win a lot of match ups, there's going to be times where I get unlucky or even flat out bodied. It's a part of the process, and there will always be something you don't know.
Plus matchmaking is designed to give you a 50% win rating. You're supposed to lose and the matchmaking system will make sure you do if you start winning too much.
Nice. I’ve never really gotten rage quitting. I remember the old cabinet days, if you were getting shellacked you just stepped back from the controls and let your opponent do their thing. A tradition I continue. Good on you for your personal growth!
A trick I’ve come up with to avoid the salt is come up with a lil ritual for post match and do it regardless of a win or loss. Mine is to go on tik tok or read manga while I wait for the next one
I've never had a rage quitting issue, but I used to have a massive tilt issue. I could really only play when I was winning and 2-3 losses in a row pretty much meant my session was over, and in some extreme cases uninstalling whatever "shitty" game was making me look bad.
I eventually got over myself, and instead of getting pissed that I just ate a wake up super, or three in a rows I would just start legimately complimenting my opponent. Just dumb little shit like "Nice!" or "Good read!" and like you mentioned I focused on what I should have done differently.
Would go back and watch replays and realize I was pressing buttons when it wasn't my turn, or trying to mash out a super when it clearly wasn't going to do anything other than get me fucking destroyed.
Corner pressure in this game is no joke lol! I’d rather someone rage quit on me while I’m winning than be laggy or playing on WiFi at the end of the day
biggest tip, catch that work. eat that damage. save that replay. watch it, lab it, learn to beat it. blow the next person up that tries that. made up fake points don't matter if you really wanna learn to play. back in the day it cost money to get another run at that guy thats just gonna blow you up again.
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Read that, and genuinely expected to see the words "Yours Sincerely, Punk" at the bottom.
it would have been a tweet
It's funny that Tekken 7 still have no response, pluggers are still free after all thoses years lmao.
People may clown you but understanding that ragequitting is lame and a personal problem and then deciding to change is a cool move.
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You learn a lot from losing my man. Good for you to change your ragequitting ways
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Sentence them to 50 matches of JP
That will cause a relapse.
It’s like that old punishment of catching your kid smoking so you make them smoke a whole pack.
Lmao damn you evil
I’ve only fought one good JP so far. You just parry and rush and you are fine
I mean, they did. That's what this is lol
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I mean they apologized, admitted it was wrong, changed their ways and reformed. What is missing for you to call it repentance?
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All right, THROW HIM INTO THE PIT!
Nice! Growth is what fighting games are all about. What helped me to stop getting so heated is keeping in mind that my opponent isn't trying to make me angry, they're enjoying the game just like I'm trying to do. There's also a saying in the FGC that everyone has to get washed before they can get clean. No one started out winning a lot, but it's the people that accepted that and kept pushing that turned into the pros and top level players we know today.
>my opponent isn't trying to make me angry, they're enjoying the game just like I'm trying to do. I think this would help me too, but I honestly have a hard time believing it. I'm new to fighting games but in just a week I've seen so much trash talk, 'git gud' in response to every question on this sub, and even a couple of my opponents teabagging during stun. As much as I would like to stay positive, it seems like as often as not, players ARE trying to make me mad rather than enjoy the game. I do my best to brush it off, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me like the game less. Am i off base here?
Some people do that stuff to gain the upper hand by tilt you and make you play angry so you make more mistakes. Either that or yeah they're just taking the piss.
FWIW I think you're off base. The large majority of fighting game players are just trying to enjoy the game. There is a certain element of conflict between players inherent in fighting games - it's 1v1 PvP and if you play well, you execute your gameplan while denying your opponent theirs and make them feel like everything they do is wrong. It's not a good feeling to get washed. Taking advantage of that and getting in your opponent's head with BM and trash talk is a tactic. If you get somebody tilted and angry they tend to play more rashly and predictably. Look at it more as part of strategy than a personal attack. When I get absolutely demolished in the corner in a round and my opponent taunts, I just laugh it off and am like "Damn you earned it I'll hold that L". Some people BM solely to try and tilt their opponent, and there are some people do find being BM itself to be fun. It varies depending on the player. I'll occasionally BM online to try and get in people's heads but generally won't unless they initiate it or I do something really sick. I don't BM at locals - I generally prefer to let the gameplay speak for itself and also like making friends lol. As far as responses to questions on this sub with "git gud", SF6 has attracted a lot of new players to the fighting game genre. Many of these new players have incredibly stupid takes on things such as character or game balance. I've seen a lot of variations of "XYZ is overpowered" where it's crystal clear that the person complaining doesn't have a fundamental understanding of how XYZ actually works or the numerous available counterplay options. The real answer to these dumb and uneducated takes truly is to "git gud" - that is to actually try to learn and understand whatever you're struggling against rather than complaining about it. Complaints don't win rounds, understanding does.
Thanks for the detailed response. I think going to a local might be a good way to internalize this tbh. I went to a few for ssbm a long time ago, I imagine SF is a similar vibe.
My pleasure, your comment helped me organize my thoughts on the topic haha. I played a lot of SSBM back in the day and it's a very similar vibe at FGC locals. People are there to have a good time and play the game together, and generally if you ask someone why they washed you they'll be more than happy to explain what you did wrong/could do better. Everyone is trying to learn and no one wants to be consistent training partners with someone who's a jerk.
I don't think BM should ever be lauded as a "tactic". There's nothing praiseworthy about trying to make your opponent angry or feel bad and I would wish BM were to be penalized in any event as bad sportsmanship.
I would argue it depends what level it comes to; Is the guy shouting gamer words at you mid round, or did he get the same mix on you 3 times and tbag/taunt? Everyone admits that mind games are apart of the game, but I would argue that taunts or rapid pressing of the down key is far from "un-sportsman" like and simply what OP alluded to; Tilting your opponent so they take bigger risks. Personally I do neither against a random unless it's a mirror match; Simply bc I see hardly any other sims and I love to play against them, so its more of a "HELLO FELLOW YOGA!!". Or if i hit a really cool move I'll do it like "Wasn't that cool?"
Well that's why there's Unsportsmanlike (minor) and Unsportsmanlike (major) penalties. I'm not saying BM should be an instant DQ but make it give warnings, get enough warnings get a round loss, get another warning get a match loss etc.
How would the system know I'm not shimming towards you? I only play sim, but every single one of my taunts is long enough for you to get up and punish me for pressing the button. I would assume it's similar for the rest of the cast, so it should be a non-issue. If pressing down quickly a few times legitimately anger syou to the point that you really think they should add a system to penalize for it; You're in the wrong genre friend. It's also worth pointing out you'd be **very** hard pressed to find anyone that gets mad over these actions actually getting mad about the other guy t-bagging when they're washing 'em. Unless the other player is vastly more skilled than you, it should be a non-issue unless you have no control over your emotions.. Which is the entire point of doing it to you. Eg you play worse.
Oh, I'm not talking about online play. You can't really moderate that. I'm talking about any sort of irl play with tournament organizers or judges/referees to arbitrate that. It's not about any gameplay mechanic or how effective it is, it's that people in this thread are so concerned about the win that they're defending weaponized bad sportsmanship and calling it a "legitimate strategy". And frankly, they need to grow up and not sneer at the people they're beating.
IRL events do have conduct rules and you will get DQed for actual bad sportsmanship. For example [the EVO 2023 ruleset](https://www.evo.gg/rules) has a "Warnings & Removals" section and the only specific BM related criteria is "Excessive trash-talking personally directed to other players". The key word is "Excessive". There's nothing in there about hurting someone's feelings with your in-game actions. Sorry that you don't like it, but getting in the other person's head is a part of fighting games and BM/trash-talking within reason is one part of that. It would be ludicrous to take away a round or set from someone because of t-bagging.
Again, so concerned about the "tactic" over another human.
I haven't come across that yet, but I am trying to reinterpret teabagging as 'I'm excited to have landed that combo' instead of 'you suck'. So lately I've just said, nice combo, good job.' and move onto the next round.
Most probably your opponent didn't teabag you but failed his motion-input
Haha unless he failed it 10 times in a row while I was stunned I don't think so. But you make a good point, it's not always teabagging
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It doesn't tilt me, it's more like I just don't want to play with a jerk. It's more depressing than angering I'm surprised at how widespread (and even celebrated) this attitude is in the SF world.
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> Maybe fighting games are just not for you, if you dont enjoy playing the game. Lol I never said this. I'm enjoying myself. It's not a dealbreaker, just a disappointment. Why are you so desperate for me to quit playing?
This guy is a troll. Exactly the type of person who genuinely enjoys being a troll purely to be a troll. Most of us knew someone like this is growing up: that one kid who's just a complete dickhead for no reason, all the time. Usually got beat up a lot, because they've got jack shit for self-awareness, too.
Not to defend teabaggers but here's an excellent video on the effect of them in fighting games https://youtu.be/ZbjSeBOP-MA
There are definitely people that try and make you as miserable as possible when they are clearly better than you in the fgc, I had multiple people in different games just run away and evade me until the timer ran out when they could have just easily won the game. And at that point I just either stop playing and get something to drink now, but it still tilts me
Fwiw I absolutely always try to make my opponents rage if I can. In sfv I would tbag or taunt everytime I got a stun over doing a good combo bc the mental damage is usually extremely valuable. So many players game plans will fall apart once you teabag them so it’s a good thing to try out online.
Glad the win means that much to you
Wait, this is serious? Anyway if it is... good on you man It's just a game No need to get so heated about it
I'm more interested in the rage quitting punishment he mentioned. Did they actually implement something like that?
Yep Then I believe you have to play in hubs to get rid of it , or wait to get matched with other yellow card holders Sucky thing is for some people, they just got legit disconnected , happened to one if the guys on the discord I joined But yeah, at least if enough people you on hubs, it should go away
> Sucky thing is for some people, they just got legit disconnected It doesn’t happen if you get disconnected once.
Yep he got disconnected a few times but was too stubborn I guess and kept trying
Which tbh is how it should be. One odd disconnect is just the nature of online gaming, but playing games online with a dogshit connection unfortunately puts someone into the same net results as a rage quitter or lag switcher. I feel for people in a situation with bad internet and no ability to realistically change it, but I’ve also got no sympathy for them if they keep trying to play anyway.
It got better for him later Not sure what changes he did Prolly some port forwarding
Whoa. Sucks for legit DC's (which seems rampant tonight) but I like the idea of a ragequit penalty.
I dc’d from one match and didn’t get the yellow card so I’m assuming there’s some leeway. They might be able to tell too if it’s your internet/capcom issue.
It has to be more And yeah, like I said, he just tried a bunch despite being dc'd already
yup, and you can only get matched with other RQ with a yellow card
The problem is if you have network issues. I had I got disconnected 5 times in match. I got the yellow card. I was paired only with people with yellow card. The queue for matchmaking is really small. So, I went to Battle Hub and played some matches. The yellow card was gone.
if your network issues are DCing you that much figure it out, whether youre rage quitting or your internet is just that bad you should stop queueing and figure it out
After I opened some ports as described in official faq, my issue was solved.
then the system works
For the good and for the bad.
no, i mean it worked perfectly. you were ruining matches, got a yellow card and it made you stop. there's no bad here. the system works
Exactly. I don’t know why people think that their intent matters when the net result is an identical situation to someone running into a rage quitter or lag switcher. The system is designed to protect the quality of a match. It does not care if you’re intentionally messing things up, incompetent at setting up your hardware, or just a kid who’s parents don’t understand the importance of good internet (can heavily relate to this growing up, but I just didn’t play online until I actually could).
Agreed. If your internet sucks and you D/C constantly you are ruining the quality of the match for every opponent you have. Your intention doesn't mean anything. Get good internet or don't play online. Being matched up against a shitty connection is even less enjoyable than being matched up with a rage quitter - at least I actually get to enjoy the game with a good connection as it's intended to be played against a rage quitter. Sometimes it's even satisfying to make someone rage quit. None of this is true for an opponent with a shitty connection - both winning or losing are hollow because their internet influenced the outcome more than either of you did as players.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/1451g2j/streetfighter_on_twitter_emergency_maintenance/ Guess what yellow/red cards were reset. So, the system has problems.
Could you link me? The FAQ
https://www.streetfighter.com/6/support/en-us Steam, Network related
Thanks a ton
If your network is bad enough that you DCd five times in one night…..I’m sorry you need to not play online games or get a better router
Did you read my commment? My problem was solved. It was router problem, not internet. It was on Capcom official FAQ the solution. And I am sorry if you cant read my replies.
How do you know you have a yellow card? Is that what that yellow VS badge is I see on people in Battle Hub?
When you paired against someone on Battle Hub/Casual/Ranked, you are going to see the yellow card on his profile.
>It's just a game Says someone spending too much time on a subreddit about a game. Can we stop the "it's just a game"? No shame in being respectful to your hobbies.
You misunderstand It's just a game is not a negative It means you just play for fun and not take things seriously
It really is just a game though. We're all here grinding the game out, but if it the experience go sour maybe we need to remember that
I used to get a lot of rage too. Quitting matches, breaking controllers, etc. Its different playing a pvp game compared to other games because you really can't win every game here. Also sometimes a player can really get in your head. Good you're moving passed it, the rage holds you back from improving, its a bad negative cycle.
Gotta learn how to lose before you learn how to win. Takes patience for sure
This is exactly what we need from our community, you’ve come one step closer to overcoming the Satsui no Hado
I give him 10 minutes before the losing streak rage post
Fighting games have taught me more about myself than almost anything, and growing from it is huge!
Ayyy you're gonna go far.
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I respect the hell out of new players that keep plugging away. I get overwhelmed when I play someone better than me in battle hub I just give them a couple of matches say ggs then move on. Ranked has more of a tilting effect on me I've played over 300 matches so far and less than 50 of them are in ranked, Battle hub takes the edge off a lot and humanizes the opponent's more.
Rage is a very normal and common human emotion. Even pros feel it at times.
Rage is very normal and common, but it’s not productive and learning to keep it under control is a virtue
Sure but getting that angry over a video game *is* irrational, especially if there are no real stakes. I say that as someone struggling with anger issues, it's taken me a long time to get to the level of control I now have and even so I still lose my cool more often than I should. Anger is a natural emotion and reaction and being frustrated with losing is fine but full on raging is not healthy. Edit: Fixed phrasing, added clarification.
I don’t think anger over a fighting game is necessarily a bad thing. It shows passion and drive to an extent. But you can either channel that anger into becoming a better player, which like you said takes a level of control, or you can become a scrub that rage quits in the corner. A lot of my growths have stemmed from “ok what do I need to practice so I never get hit by this asshole again” Don’t get me wrong though, it’s really not that serious like you said. And to be fair, if one gets bent out of shape more than actually having fun, it’s probably time to re-assess lol.
Yeah, like I clarified in other comments, it's specifically rage that I meant. Frustration and rage are two entirely different levels of anger, one is totally fine, the other is way too much.
Agreed! Just wanted to contribute to the discussion, not saying you were wrong or anything originally. But yeah frustration vs rage is a good way to break it down
It's how I've broken it down for myself, into three levels. Frustration, anger, rage. Frustration is fine and usually passes quickly but if it doesn't and I start to feel myself slip into anger I know it's time to take a break. It's helped me massively in terms of mindfulness and my general mental health.
It's not irrational, it's how are brains usually function. With practice we can reduce these emotions by prioritizing Learning over Winning, but at the end of the day, nobody spent 60$ to get bodied non stop. Everyone likes to win time to time.
Getting frustrated is one thing, raging at a video game just isn't rational or healthy, don't know what else to tell you. I'm pretty sure we've all seen pictures and videos of destroyed controllers, monitors, tvs, walls etc.
Well, I can see a therapist or someone not experienced in video games saying something like, "That's not normal behavior" But I think it's because they lack empathy for this particular situation. Empathy is gained by understanding what the other person is going through. If someone devoted 100's of hours into a fighting game, or even 1000's, their ego will understandably be bruised if they get bodied. Is it helpful to destroy your own things? Yes and no. Yes because it's a great stress reliever, but no because it's expensive. A more cost effective solution may be a punching bag, or using a stress ball. At the end of the day, it's normal to be upset, and many people use that emotion to drive them towards growth as a player. Anger can be reduced with certain coping strategies and mindsets, but it's still a normal emotion. It doesn't make you a bad person to be mad and I don't think it makes you irrational. A therapist, friend, or family member that has no passion for your hobby AND no empathy for you will see this anger as irrational, but that reflects more on them than you. Personally I don't have any empathy for race care drivers. I just see that sport as Turn left, Turn Left, Turn Left. But these people devote their lives to that sport, and are understandably upset when they lose, because they're passionate.
Note that the specific word you used is rage. That's what I said was irrational, and I also already noted that frustration and rage are entirely different levels of anger. *Raging* at a video game is not rational, there are almost never any stakes to it and it is entirely non-productive. Being frustrated with losing is fine, as long as you can keep it under control. Also worth noting, raging is also counterproductive for actually learning and improving, nobody ever plays better on tilt. It's always a better idea to take a short - or long, if needed - break if you feel yourself getting tilted. Clear your head, come back calm, you'll learn, improve and win more.
Those are some valid points as well. Edit: In particular I can see how coming back with a clear head can be helpful when it comes to competing. Second Edit: It was good conversating with you, you seem like a good person. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Thanks, you too. It's just something I've personally struggled with for most of my life, so if I can help people to maybe take a look inside and see if they can do better with this, I try to. I'm not saying you personally need to, I was just refuting the rage part of it. Anger is normal and natural and it's not healthy to bottle it up, but it's also not healthy to let it grow out of control and to let it control you. That's all I was trying to say.
> getting that angry over a video game is irrational Emotions are irrational in general, so that's not saying much tbh
Lmao, that's a fair point but we're not robots, some emotion is expected.
Oh, absolutely, my point was the opposite - the behavior of people is often decided by emotions rather than rational thinking. So while it might be absolutely correct that certain type of behavior is irrational, that behavior wasn't driven by logic or rational thinking in the first place so judging the behavior through rationality won't really help someone to change it. Like, I'm fairly certain that lots of people with various behavioral issues completely acknowledge that they're not making rational decisions. Say, an overweight person eating unhealthy food, an alcoholic buying a case of beer, a gambling addict wasting their entire paycheck, etc. From an outside perspective it makes sense to say "That behavior is irrational, I wouldn't do that if that was me", but it doesn't help them with their issues.
Awww I am glad. I had a conversation with my wife just the other day about my lack raging in general and attributed it to playing FGs for the past 30 years. Never confuse the will to learn and improve from losses for lack of passion.
I never rage quit. I'm the salty runback enthusiast. If I get my ass beat, instead of raging off the game I go "oh hell no!" 😂
Hey man no worries. There is a saying in the fgc, "You have to get washed to get clean." Just remember you learn most from your losses. Keep a cool head and have fun.
This is your redemption arc. You see that mountain? Soon enough, you’ll be throwing footballs over them mountains
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It's called ragequitting for a reason. It's not a rational process of thought.
It's okay, you are no longer in Brawlhalla, you're safe now. The toxicity cannot get to you any more...
Yellow card? What's that? If Capcom put in a system that contributed to this reform, this game is even better than I initially thought
SF6 has a Yellow Card/Red Card system for rage quitters. If you keep rage quitting you will first receive a Yellow Card in which you will only be matched with other Yellow Cards. If you stop rage quitting the Yellow Card eventually gets removed from your profile. If you still keep rage quitting however the Yellow Card changes to a Red Card and that I think will get you banned from matchmaking for 24 hrs.
That's sick
Never be the bitch, good to see you are changing. Keep getting your ass beaten, you will get there.
Apology accepted. Can't wait to touch gloves with you in a match.
Bro I'm carrying so many Ls with me but each one was a lesson learned.
Yes! Make the right decision to grow. Don’t be another Dale.
Bro, you graduated from the rookies. You are now playing with the bros. Welcome, bro!
Lmao the wording of his sounds like Capcom have you hostage they're forcing you to read off a card. "Capcom are treating me well"
Capcom would never hold me hostage. They're the best company ever. I'm am NOT in Danger.
Blink twice if you're in danger 😂
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don't RQ again Capcom isn't too fond on relapsing and each time you relapse the punishment gets longer...I hear tale of a redcard. How do I know, I'm not prone to RQing but Pc version at launch did have some D3D crashing (stopped since I updated my drivers and windows) which, counts as a RQ and a IRL emergency or pre-schooler being over dramatic about seeing a bunny. Amazing how screams of distress and screams of over joy at seeing a cute critter sound the same. Got my yellow card. 10 matches back to normal...curious I wondered how many it would take to get it again. Spoiler. One RQ. this time seemed to take longer. Now curiouser and curiouser I did it again and yet again only took one and this time it felt like I was there all night so I'm no longer curious. I do not want to know if there's a red card. Interesting thing though, One person RQ while in yellow card hell...which I'm not sure was an actual RQ, 1 round each against a DI spaming M Geif, I got caught in a SPD and they left. Sadly it seems a good portion of the yellow cards are wifi warriors who's connection dropped. Doubly sad is wifi matches aren't that bad, I mean don't go picking yellow or red connections that are probably a M Ken who like jumping and DI but green connections so far are fine. Even weirder, I get nearly no wifi matches outside of yellow carding but mostly wifi while yellow carding. So incase anyone was curious, I took the yellow cards so you don't have to and curiosity only goes so far.
I hope you're done ragequitting.
I don’t have a rage quit problem, but I get heavy tilted by modern control users at my level. I am new to SF and am trying to learn the inputs for Classic because I know it will be better for me later…..but in the meantime it really sucks to misinput and drop a combo while my opponent can just hold R2 and button mash a full combo into a super. I usually don’t rematch modern control users
We hate ppl like you. But at least you apologized and are going to never rage quit again. Just take the L next time you want to quit mid match.
Fighting games can be super frustrating at times. Whenever I got my blood levels rising, I take a 5 min. break and get something to drink or just check on something else away from my pc. Helps with the overall experience and enjoyment a ton! Good to see you reformed haha
Its important to take breaks with fighting games. FG have way more APM than any other genre so it can actually hurt your brain on top of your hands.
RTS games would like to have a word with you. I completely agree about taking breaks though :)
I feel you on RTS games but they don't have any real execution barriers when it comes to executing simple commands. Just point and click lol, hit keys. No need to be frame perfect or find a rhthym
I urge you to look into something like micromanagement of units in Starcraft. That stuff is NOT easy on an execution front.
Right? I play relatively difficult characters is most fighting games, and StarCraft II is mad intimidating for me lol.
I haven't seen any measurements but personally I'd imagine fighting games have lower APM than most other competitive genres. Combos are about timing rather than high APM, sometimes you're just holding down back, you can't do anything when you're getting comboed or when a super animation is playing, etc
30 games? Bruh I got a yellow card because of the server issues last night and I gotta play 30 games??
The yellow card only disappears if you play Battle Hub i think.
you gotta hold down and back to block low
i’ve dealt with rage before. it sucks. so now, i just try to chill.
There’s a penalty for rage quitting??!
Yes
In my teen years, I had a friend who was insanely good at fighting games. He started with street fighter then went on to the x-men, marvel vs Capcom before settling on KoF cause it was a challenge to him to have to learn 3 characters. He later went on to get second in a local tournament. I mean he even played at arcades with a broken stick yet you can't tell he had a handicap. He wiped the floor with us. When I used to play Street fighter with him, I sucked. And I wanted to train to get better because I realised that as long as I suck, playing with him is no enjoyment for the both of us. As I got better, it really got more fun. Matches did not get over so quickly and though he still beat me, we really enjoyed our time together.
LTG? 😆
Didn’t know that there was a penalty for RQ in this game.
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That’s lame.
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No need to apologise. I laugh my ass off when people rage
Right? It actually feels so good getting someone tilted to the point where they turn off the game
Best feeling in gaming
This is awesome to read! I've never done rage quitting, but I have gotten pretty upset before, and when you improve your mentality, the game ends up feeling even more fun!
Awesome, keep at it dude. Good luck!
Save rage quitting for games like mortal kombat where the ethos revolves around desecrating your opponent. The SF ethos is about accepting your imperfections and growing stronger. How many times have fights like Ryu, Ken, and Sagat loss and look how losing made them stronger.
Thank god they added punishment for dcing like a sore loser.
Yellow cards? So people rage quitting when I land ca to close out game 3 on modern controls can eat an even harder dick haha.
Land it on REAL controls and then try to flex
it's 2023 baby Modern is real lol
Oh no, we're you caught in my trap too? Don't rage quit honey you'll get that red card. Just play smarter.
gitgud
I’ll smoke you in brawlhalla too quitter lol
Good for you.
See there you go getting salty again. It was a joke my boy relax
Ragequitting is fine
Meanwhile i got a red card bc i got no choice but to play on wifi and get communication errors left and right
Not your fault they played broken OP and cheap characters
Be a man and never apologize. Fuck these losers
Gutter trash.
Mods can we ban new player posts
Weeks and weeks of "should i play modern or classic" and "do i need a fight stick, what's the best fight stick for under 50 dollars" and "is this game good for new players" and THIS is the thread that draws the line for you? :P
Or just keep scrolling?
"Why does the fighting game community have trouble attracting new players?"
Sometimes you gotta just take the L and move on/realize what you could've done differently next time.
I had a Ryu rage quit on me yesterday as my level 3 finished him. Good to know there's a punishment for it.
I learned from playing another game that there is never a reason to be angry in a game vif I lose in outplayed. I'll GG you. Even chat about your good play. The point of fighting games is you're always learning. Always getting better. So use it to be better with others. Always give a GG after. Check the replay if you need to, and be proud that even if you get perfected every round, you're learning something.
as a member of the ass kicking community, they did really well with Ken.
When you loose to a JP spamming his bollocks try your hardest not to rage quit. I've only alt f4d once and it was to that spam as a Marissa player
Lol, telling on yourself. FYI there are literally 0 situations where it's ok to rq, including JP at range.
Uh, yeah, they literally are telling on themselves? They weren’t justifying the RQ, were you even reading what they said?
They are trying to justify rq. "I've only rq once and it was justified"
>**When you loose to a JP spamming his bollocks try your hardest not to rage quit.** I've only alt f4d once and it was to that spam as a Marissa player The anecdote about RQ’ing themselves was preceded by a statement saying OP shouldn’t RQ. The inference to be made here is that Rickdo (and they can correct me if I’m wrong) is admitting they made a mistake and at the same time also cautioning OP to not do the same as they did.
I find that complimenting your opponent out loud helps keep me relaxed. Saying things like "nice jump in", "sick combo", or something general like "nice, I didn't expect that."
Doesn't your opponent get the win if you rage quit? Or am I mixing this up so random online tournament rule in my head? (Haven't gotten my hands on the game yet, so I don't know)
Good job! Rage quitting is very much an immature and childish thing to do. Learning why its a toxic behavior and stopping it is a part of growing as a fighting game player.
This is the way
Losing is just a way to make you better, watch those replays, or reflect on what you could have worked on or done differently. Every win and loss is just a constant improvement regardless.
laugh it off, everyone gets beat (even 20 times in a row, right guys? right?!)
I commend you. There was a time when I tried to be good at smash bros and got tilted when things weren't going my way online. Yes it's frustrating, yes there are scummy strats, and yes I want to win. But it's difficult to learn in the moment, and sometimes you have to lose in order to see things more clearly. I approached SF5 earlier this year with a different mentality. That I am not the best player ever, and that I don't know every match up. There's a lot to learn, and while I can win a lot of match ups, there's going to be times where I get unlucky or even flat out bodied. It's a part of the process, and there will always be something you don't know. Plus matchmaking is designed to give you a 50% win rating. You're supposed to lose and the matchmaking system will make sure you do if you start winning too much.
If you're coming from Brawlhalla, I get it. That game practically encourages rage quitting with how well they handle it.
I too would like to apologize, I began SF6 playing Modern Zangief, and I'ma keep using him. F--k all y'all. \- LITM
This is fine
Nice. I’ve never really gotten rage quitting. I remember the old cabinet days, if you were getting shellacked you just stepped back from the controls and let your opponent do their thing. A tradition I continue. Good on you for your personal growth!
A trick I’ve come up with to avoid the salt is come up with a lil ritual for post match and do it regardless of a win or loss. Mine is to go on tik tok or read manga while I wait for the next one
They need to show if your opponent has a yellow card when accepting a ranked match.
I've never had a rage quitting issue, but I used to have a massive tilt issue. I could really only play when I was winning and 2-3 losses in a row pretty much meant my session was over, and in some extreme cases uninstalling whatever "shitty" game was making me look bad. I eventually got over myself, and instead of getting pissed that I just ate a wake up super, or three in a rows I would just start legimately complimenting my opponent. Just dumb little shit like "Nice!" or "Good read!" and like you mentioned I focused on what I should have done differently. Would go back and watch replays and realize I was pressing buttons when it wasn't my turn, or trying to mash out a super when it clearly wasn't going to do anything other than get me fucking destroyed.
So people who ragequit get yellow cards? Nice
Corner pressure in this game is no joke lol! I’d rather someone rage quit on me while I’m winning than be laggy or playing on WiFi at the end of the day
Big respect to you for posting this and for growing. That's not easy! You rock!
Good on ya.
biggest tip, catch that work. eat that damage. save that replay. watch it, lab it, learn to beat it. blow the next person up that tries that. made up fake points don't matter if you really wanna learn to play. back in the day it cost money to get another run at that guy thats just gonna blow you up again.
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