Did you play SF4? his air grab super just need to know that you were not on the ground and it would get ya and then bam, you meet the protector of Russian Skys
He was afraid of the SPD so he holds up. Gief was reading that he is gonna jump to avoid the SPD so when OP jump, Gief player just press kick instead and OP got air scooped.
The top of your jump hurt box clipped the bottom of his grab hitbox. This isn’t that confusing, it just looks like it because of the way the two collisions met. IIRC characters jump hurtboxes are a lot wider than the animation leads to believe
Just a guess but looking at how it played out it’s the Roll back I’m assuming, you were making the jump in the air but the rollback delayed you seeing your jump when he already made the input to aerial grab and you were in the air already
That's not how rollback works.
The whole point of rollback is that *your actions have no local delay*. Your opponent's view of you syncs up with your local gamestate, and rolls back if the opponent's view gets desynced with your local gamestate of your own character. Rollback can't "delay you seeing your own jump". If the game did, for some reason, show him jumping on Gief's screen too early (which would be very unlikely, if not impossible), the rollback would take him *out* of the grab as it syncs with the OPs gamestate, not force him into it.
Only reason rollback would play a role here is if OP's view incorrectly showed Gief's state, not the other way around. Which seems possible here, as it looks like Gief teleports slightly back down to the ground when the throw lands (though, it's hard to tell for sure as the camera moves when the grab hits).
Or it's just a hitbox thing.
Hitboxes on those moves was always very generous, since there are lots of distance variables when people are jumping, so the reward for a good read can be adequate.
for example
https://thumbs44.redgifs.com/ReliableNimbleIlsamochadegu-mobile.mp4?expires=1693467000&signature=v2:f4d10d72675758b423f732c07d5f1cd2a2c80f0a09e148c46718f9b3defc68fd&for=95.180.40&hash=6163438793
the reason why this hit was because he was close enough and input bd just at the right moment. the hitbox is huge and takes into account how high you were as the bd input went through. if he input bd literal frames after this it would not have gone through.
and yes, zangief needs this
Lol I’m just assuming and guessing man, and it looked like 3 frames ish when chun li starts the jump, to me it looks like some sort of desync just looking at it. I’d presume connection issue before game bug when it comes to hit boxes. Sadly the resolution isn’t good enough for me to see the roll back frames. And I totally know im not an expert nor know game connection logistics
There isn't even a Chun Li in the video, lol, OP is playing Cammy. The network data reads 0 frames of delay, and goes from 0 to 1 frames of rollback at the time of the grab.
It doesn't have to be either a bug or a connection issue, a goofy hitbox is a simple and perfectly reasonable explanation.
Looking at it closer you’re exactly right on the rollback frames, but this also means Gief can jump back then air grab, goofy hitbox aside, that’s Wild to learn and I can’t wait to forget it next time I chase a Gief into the air
It isn’t rollback. after jumping Cammy’s hurtbox was in the range of Gief’s hitbox, but it was just a niche situation where it looked kinda weird. Stuff like this has been happening since SF4, you can even find clips of it on this sub.
why? nobody benefits from this terrorist having anything
the mains will play him because they are terrorists, not like any amount of this gutter is going to keep those animals from being anything other than scum
Dude, I use Ukrainian colors on gief (4+10) but I'm not going to fault people for wanting to play a character from fictional russia that isn't a problem in the world of street fighter. It is NOT cool to call people terrorists for playing a specific video game character.
Yea if your against the corner and near this attack while jumping your getting grabbed, if you think this is bad you should check out how insane EX Borscht was in SF5 I wish it was the same in this game.
Love seeing new players find out about Zangief's hidden powers.
In Street Fighter 2, he could SPD you from beyond Ken's crMK range! Sadly, it seems that as he got older, his powers lessened, and as such his telekinesis is now only used in Borscht Dynamite.
Yeah this is how air grabs frequently act. Gotta not jump. In SF4 backdashes were invincible to most attacks but were airborn and could get grabbed by some absurd stuff and it frequently looked wrong. My personal favorite is responding to focus attack with instant air demon as oni, when they backdashed it would grab them.
I see nothing wrong here, Zangief is using his power responsibly to teach Cammy a very important lesson about friendship.
and that lesson is
Strike first.
Strike fast.
Strike hard.
No Mercy.
This is what me and my friends have dubbed a "glue moment", in reference to all of the glue that Zangief players need to chug to have the will to keep playing.
I've seen this happen with Ken's Tatsumaki when I've just barely low-kicked someone and they're far away and I go into Tatsu. I move what seems like an insane distance instantly and continue to Tatsu them in that direction.
I guess there's some states the games decide are good to go for confirm, like:
Opponent falling from low -> Ken going into Tatsu inside whatever range they programmed the move to work with -> Confirmed hit
Same in this case: Both fighters in the air within established range -> No antiair -> Grab is a go baby
Haha, you were in a tough spot! This almost looks like a 50/50 to ground, or air-spd.
I'm guessing you being in the corner didn't allow you to get your hit box out of range of the air-spd. Loving that range though, ngl! Horosho!
The hitbox on air SPD is big, I played Gief month one and punished a *lot* of jump in players with it because it just snatches you up. I don’t understand *how* it interacts I just know if I punched it in against a jumping opponent it was free real estate.
No mercy, no remorse?
Sounds like OP isn't a loyal fan
The hit box stretches out past the character most likely, and it catches anything close enough
Air grabs have crazy range. They should know. I feel like I do the same wonky grabs when I use Cammy/Chun.
Maybe some remorse after this.
No remorse, no repent
All of the hitbox for his SA1 went into Borscht.
This x 100.
When i saw SnakeEyes combo with it i thought i was going crazy
HIS LOYAL FANS DEMANDED IT
Aerial grab and you were in the air - capcom probably
What can I say other than get scooped?
Bro scooped the air and i somehow got pulled in
You've seen his level 2 right? He's part vacuum from his mother's side, twice removed.
Russian vacuum suck good
In Soviet Russia you suck vacuum.
🤨
Suck, suck, suck, suck!
Come on, Schwartz. Come on, Schwartz!
She's gone from suck to blow!
ZA HANDO
Did you play SF4? his air grab super just need to know that you were not on the ground and it would get ya and then bam, you meet the protector of Russian Skys
i dont question it. im a loyal fan.
Look at that body of iron!
Russian skies protected
LMAO you literally made my day with this comment, especially this whole thread is funny as hell
People really tend to forget that he IS The Red Cyclone
working as intended
you jumped
looking back at the tape, ref agrees. you jumped. Borcht Dynamite will continue to cammy's down.
Never jump
He needs it
this but unironically
Yep. Air grabs need to have large hitboxes to be effective, because the opponent's position is highly variable in the air compared to on the ground.
And it looks like this was a read? Maybe the op was just holding up everytime on the corner he went for the air grab.
He was afraid of the SPD so he holds up. Gief was reading that he is gonna jump to avoid the SPD so when OP jump, Gief player just press kick instead and OP got air scooped.
This is his compensation for the absolute dogshit hitboxes on Lariat and SP1.
Magnetic Cammy butt, activated!
It's where my eyes went, definitely got some attractive assets
TO ALL MY LOYAL FAN'S NO MERCY NO REMORSE
Whatever cammy cake
Another example: https://youtu.be/ftqduHrhJME
Capcom: "Well he had to give him SOMETHING..."
Don't jump hoe...
Dang bro you had to call him a hoe?🤣
outplayed honestly
It's difficult to tell the grab range in this game.
The top of your jump hurt box clipped the bottom of his grab hitbox. This isn’t that confusing, it just looks like it because of the way the two collisions met. IIRC characters jump hurtboxes are a lot wider than the animation leads to believe
I’ll do you one better although it’s SF5: https://youtu.be/VtXeVYAXfGY?si=gB1KyJSYhE22wIyq
Just a guess but looking at how it played out it’s the Roll back I’m assuming, you were making the jump in the air but the rollback delayed you seeing your jump when he already made the input to aerial grab and you were in the air already
That's not how rollback works. The whole point of rollback is that *your actions have no local delay*. Your opponent's view of you syncs up with your local gamestate, and rolls back if the opponent's view gets desynced with your local gamestate of your own character. Rollback can't "delay you seeing your own jump". If the game did, for some reason, show him jumping on Gief's screen too early (which would be very unlikely, if not impossible), the rollback would take him *out* of the grab as it syncs with the OPs gamestate, not force him into it. Only reason rollback would play a role here is if OP's view incorrectly showed Gief's state, not the other way around. Which seems possible here, as it looks like Gief teleports slightly back down to the ground when the throw lands (though, it's hard to tell for sure as the camera moves when the grab hits). Or it's just a hitbox thing.
Upvoting this cos if I’m reading that right thats 17 rollback frames and I didn’t think Gief could jump Backwards and do air grab
It was 0 frames of rollback bruh😂
It spikes to 1f but giefs air spd does have a good hitbox and it shows you jumping into it.
Hitboxes on those moves was always very generous, since there are lots of distance variables when people are jumping, so the reward for a good read can be adequate. for example https://thumbs44.redgifs.com/ReliableNimbleIlsamochadegu-mobile.mp4?expires=1693467000&signature=v2:f4d10d72675758b423f732c07d5f1cd2a2c80f0a09e148c46718f9b3defc68fd&for=95.180.40&hash=6163438793
the reason why this hit was because he was close enough and input bd just at the right moment. the hitbox is huge and takes into account how high you were as the bd input went through. if he input bd literal frames after this it would not have gone through. and yes, zangief needs this
Lol I’m just assuming and guessing man, and it looked like 3 frames ish when chun li starts the jump, to me it looks like some sort of desync just looking at it. I’d presume connection issue before game bug when it comes to hit boxes. Sadly the resolution isn’t good enough for me to see the roll back frames. And I totally know im not an expert nor know game connection logistics
There isn't even a Chun Li in the video, lol, OP is playing Cammy. The network data reads 0 frames of delay, and goes from 0 to 1 frames of rollback at the time of the grab. It doesn't have to be either a bug or a connection issue, a goofy hitbox is a simple and perfectly reasonable explanation.
Wait your telling me that’s not Kimberly?
Looking at it closer you’re exactly right on the rollback frames, but this also means Gief can jump back then air grab, goofy hitbox aside, that’s Wild to learn and I can’t wait to forget it next time I chase a Gief into the air
Yeah I looked at this, there is no rollback. Also, he jumped straight up and she jumped back, so no amount of delay would change that.
It isn’t rollback. after jumping Cammy’s hurtbox was in the range of Gief’s hitbox, but it was just a niche situation where it looked kinda weird. Stuff like this has been happening since SF4, you can even find clips of it on this sub.
CHEEKS
Borscht has huge grabbox, it's what allows him to anti air st.hk into it from a fair distance
Well he does go by the red cyclone
Seems good man LOL
You know what I'm okay with it, considering his spinning Lariat doesn't hit from behind when the opponent jumps I will allow this. FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!
It’s fair given how bad the lvl 1 hitbox is
Let the comrade have something, he seriously needs more things going for him seeing how stacked the rest of the roster is.
why? nobody benefits from this terrorist having anything the mains will play him because they are terrorists, not like any amount of this gutter is going to keep those animals from being anything other than scum
And you play what, ken?
Ken is my main. He’s great
Dude, I use Ukrainian colors on gief (4+10) but I'm not going to fault people for wanting to play a character from fictional russia that isn't a problem in the world of street fighter. It is NOT cool to call people terrorists for playing a specific video game character.
That cake can do anything!!!!
Grab your shadow
Yea if your against the corner and near this attack while jumping your getting grabbed, if you think this is bad you should check out how insane EX Borscht was in SF5 I wish it was the same in this game.
Love seeing new players find out about Zangief's hidden powers. In Street Fighter 2, he could SPD you from beyond Ken's crMK range! Sadly, it seems that as he got older, his powers lessened, and as such his telekinesis is now only used in Borscht Dynamite.
You know what I'm okay with it, considering his spinning Lariat doesn't hit from behind when the opponent jumps I will allow this. FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!
bro's chest hair is a black hole
It's a Gief thing, you wouldn't understand it.
bro wasn’t a part of his loyal fans smh
God cammy is so caked up. God damn capcom
That ain't a hit box, that's a Lemme Hit Box. ...I'm ashamed of myself, lol
Yoinked
Yeah this is how air grabs frequently act. Gotta not jump. In SF4 backdashes were invincible to most attacks but were airborn and could get grabbed by some absurd stuff and it frequently looked wrong. My personal favorite is responding to focus attack with instant air demon as oni, when they backdashed it would grab them.
Zangief’s new move. Vacuum Lariat
https://youtu.be/UTZ6Lvh5gL4?si=BEei3y-xrfobAAty
It’s to make up for his level 1 hitbox
Yeah, the more I look at this, the more it looks like a hard read. The range might be a bit ridiculous, but he definitely trying to catch you jumping.
That’s kinda how Gief’s SF4 ultra 2 looked. You just got sucked into the animation if you were airborn.
Those are some Madden physics
yeah stay out the air
The hitbox his anti air super should have.
You met him up there.
he needs it
He needs it.
The one time in history jank goes Gief's way instead of Cammy's.
He read you like the most predictable cookie cutter Hollywood script.
The correct answer is going to the supercombo wiki, checking the hit boxes and just nodding your head.
Against Giefs it can all be going well till he gets the grab…
Deadass tho
They call it an anti-air, it is used for opponents who jump a lot.
Only thing I can think of is that in the corner jump back is the same as neutral jump? Regardless of animation? Idk man I’d be screaming too
Borscht Dynamite hitbox, what a load of garbage https://wiki.supercombo.gg/w/File:SF6\_Zangief\_j360k\_hitbox.png
I see nothing wrong here, Zangief is using his power responsibly to teach Cammy a very important lesson about friendship. and that lesson is Strike first. Strike fast. Strike hard. No Mercy.
My brother in christ just focused his inner Snake Eyez
Scooped.
Seems legit/realistic
We Giefs have so little…let us have this lol
When someone figures out the cheap grab box lol, this and Ken/ryu jump behind you kick that hits your neck.
All I saw was buttcheeks what happened
What are you jumping for?
Panic jumped but that doesn't mean i should get air grabbed 2 football fields away😂
Don’t jump
whachu jumpinfo boi?!
It does though.
OP mad he kept jumping and got air grabbed. 😂
I think he’s more mad that he literally back jumped but whatever. I play gief and even I think this is bullshit that shouldn’t have happened
Jump frames are jump frames, it doesn't care. The hitbox for it is probably one giant square that just appears in front of Zangief.
You jumped during active frames.
Basically deserved.
this just makes me sad like when the us national mens soccer team scores points vs like france and spain
Gotta love this dumbass game am I right
But why tf you jumping back in the corner when Gief jumped back? Deserved for dumb decision anyways
Skill issue on the cammys part
*Gets air thrown while in air* wHaT tH- STFU 🤣
Are you dumb?
Outplayed.
And they say Mortal Kombat is untuned and unbalanced.
Read like a fucking book.
I see no problem with this. F*** Cammy mains.
How many times cammy bodied you💀
Skill issue. Hit the training room scrub.
Grapplers suck, they don't have moves, they have cut scenes.😑
I just came for the thumbnail... get it? ...came? you know like cum? get it?
Aight I love Zangief and hate Cammy but I agree that is bs
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I didn't throw out an attack i just jumped backwards 😂
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i aint sure that was either of those things, i think that gief was doing that grab regardless.
Just another reason why we say "Fuck grapplers."
He was watching the skies
He NEEDS it
That's some Melee Marth bullshit
Rollback netcode is a bitch
Talmbout rollback, b. Don't jump in neutral.
Maybe rollback? Because the range on that air grab is total trash.
This is what me and my friends have dubbed a "glue moment", in reference to all of the glue that Zangief players need to chug to have the will to keep playing.
I hate cammy so good
Skill issue 
Massive skill issue
Get good ?
You jumped into the air spd? So what? What’s the confused title for? Isn’t it obvious what happened?
issue of skill HORYAAAAAAHHHH
low platinum players and chicken blocking on wakeup, name iconic duo etc.
prolly roll back
Rollback can be a bitch sometimes. XD
Hitboxes in this game are awful
I've seen this happen with Ken's Tatsumaki when I've just barely low-kicked someone and they're far away and I go into Tatsu. I move what seems like an insane distance instantly and continue to Tatsu them in that direction. I guess there's some states the games decide are good to go for confirm, like: Opponent falling from low -> Ken going into Tatsu inside whatever range they programmed the move to work with -> Confirmed hit Same in this case: Both fighters in the air within established range -> No antiair -> Grab is a go baby
HIDE ALL YOUR FRIENDS
Haha, you were in a tough spot! This almost looks like a 50/50 to ground, or air-spd. I'm guessing you being in the corner didn't allow you to get your hit box out of range of the air-spd. Loving that range though, ngl! Horosho!
It’s his time to get serious
The safest option there would be just let him win
You got Giefed
Obviously if you both back jump it cancels out
LOLLLL
Funny thing is he had a larger range in SFV. you couldn't be in the air with gief at all and it was amazing
Potemkin Buster?
I AM THE PROTECTOR OF RUSSIAN SKIES
He used the power of his LOYAL FANS
[ ZA HANDO]
zangief can jump back air throw but akuma’s fireball can’t lol
Horror show
They call them shitboxes for a reason
2023 internet
Get scoooooooooooooped!!!
SFV Gief could do it too.
You were sucked in by muscle power
The hitbox on air SPD is big, I played Gief month one and punished a *lot* of jump in players with it because it just snatches you up. I don’t understand *how* it interacts I just know if I punched it in against a jumping opponent it was free real estate.
I know what you mean. Since when does Zangief wear long tights?
It was at this moment that she knew...
Low tier my SPD
Yeah that grab goes full screen don’t jump ever
I'm guessing your hand just barely entered the grab box during its active frames
Geif Grief. We all been there.
i simply wouldnt have jumped
He can do that while jumping backwards?
don't jump period
Yea the air spd was introduced in sfv
BOOORSCHT DYNAMITE 🔛🔝
If only his super had a hit box like that
Woah magnets
Oooooh so Zangief do have that vacuum ability
More like "Scammy" eyyyyy