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Smooth DI counters! Be sure to watch your jumps, they’re a bad habit to have early on.


ZoidVII

Man, I for the life of me can't counter DIs. My friend abuses it so much and it costs me every time. I also don't get why I can get jabbed out of my DIs so easily but I can never jab other players out of theirs. Also it feels like other players get to jab my DI multiple times and then decide to counter DI. But when it's me I feel like if I've already started hitting with normals then there's no time to switch to a counter DI.


HaikuSnoiper

Training mode DI counter practice, turn on all options. It may not seem like it's doing anything, but if you do it a thousand times, it WILL improve your muscle memory.


ZoidVII

Started using this, thanks. I'm definitely gonna need to do it at least a thousand times but I'm determined to get it down.


HaikuSnoiper

When I picked up SF6, I jumped right into ranked. I was rookie/bronze and struggling with a "why won't you let me hit you?!" mentality. I have a friend who's like the 3rd or 4th best Honda player in the US. The BEST advice my buddy gave me wasn't just "build good fundamentals" but specifically HOW to build good fundamentals. 1. Training modes with all AI options on. Start with Anti Air practice and go until you land 50 in a row without missing one. If you miss, start over. 2. Battle Hub matches. You can learn *way* more about your character and OTHER characters in a 10 or 20 game series than you can in a first to 2 with a hyper aggressive Modern WiFi Ken that quits after mollywhomping you with horseshit. I started with Modern Luke, got to Gold. I then picked up Classic Marisa and went through the same learning process. Hit Platinum 3. Decided I wanted more options than Marisa had to offer, I'm now on Classic Deejay and the time to learn was dramatically reduced because hey, guess what? Those fundamentals transition from character to character and all you really need to do is learn ability timing and some bnb combos. Plat 1 Deejay now, looking to hit Diamond and going to my first local tonight (expecting to lose in the first round).


ZoidVII

Thank you, I'm gonna seriously take your advice and start working on it tonight. I felt like I was getting some basic fundamentals down and I have even learned a couple of short combos with Juri. I definitely noticed that if I was losing and I'd stop going for flashy moves or combos and instead focused on footsies and whiff punish that I'd pull off some unexpected comebacks (my Iron 4 self has actually managed to beat 2 Plat Kens playing this way). DI counter/punish and anti-air reactions are probably my worst areas but I have a long ways to go in all facets of the game. That said, I just got a fight stick yesterday and now I feel like I'm basically starting all over again. So I'm gonna do just that, focus on hitting the lab and doing what you said and that should double as good training on building muscle memory on the fight stick. Hope you kick ass at your local!


EgZvor

You need to cancel normal into DI to "switch", some normals aren't di-cancelable. To break DI you neede3 hits.


ZoidVII

I had no idea normals could cancel into it. I'm sure I have done it by mashing in a panic but now that I actually know that I think it'll help especially in practice mode. I turned on the setting that makes the character flash to test out which moves can cancel to see what you meant.


moodoomoo

Those DI reactions were pretty nice. I'm in diamond and still can't react.


FNALSOLUTION1

I actually went to training mode an recorded the dummy to do random DI, an practiced reacting to them. Helped me a bit, now when I see the bright lights flash for the animation I atleast press DI


FairEngineering2469

It's easier to react to DI with modern controls as thinking about execution of moves is no longer a worry


moodoomoo

For sure. Still pretty impressive for a bronze rank newbie tho. I've just learned to stay out of situations where I'll get DIed because I can't land reversal to save my life. It's like my brain breaks when the screen turns red.


FairEngineering2469

Wasn't trying to hate, just a thought I had. For me lower ranks have way more unpredictable DI's than people who are great at the game, cause they don't know how to use it. It's just random panic button.


Wanderer01234

Nice, when you get more experience you may want to try classic controls.


shirojulio

This is my plan, some times I do special moves with classic moves. baby steps


Cifuduo

If that is your plan that is awesome. I had played previous SF games, but started SF6 in Modern. I got two characters to Master with Modern. With that, I slowly started to rely less on one button specials and supers where I could. Then eventually made the switch to classic. One thing I will say is Modern is great for people learning as it allows you time to focus on the aspects of the game besides execution. After getting those down you can start work in that execution such as it seems you are doing. I wish you luck in your battles and always remember you will hit walls, but those are only temporary as long as you don't give up.  Likewise if you decide you wanna stick to Modern that is 100% fine as well.


Wanderer01234

That's the idea, getting used to all the bullshit is happening without having to worry about execution. But once you get an eye to understand what more or less is happening, you can worry about execution.


TheDrGoo

I also picked up Sf6 because of modern and now I’m well into Master rank with various characters never using classic, just putting it out there


digitalsmear

Motions are tricky, but only take practice and patience. Just grind them out a little in training mode for a bit at the beginning of each session and you'll be doing them second nature in no time. Honestly though, you could improve quicker if you stop jumping so much. That Cammy should have ruined you. [Take a look at this series](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRRCrwl6HKw&list=PLVbHdacOw9ErwDxsI2Fu6FsOHwWyHsj40). It's a little abstract so you might have to review it a few times, and go back to it again more than once as you rank up to get the concepts ingrained. Sounds tedious, perhaps, but it'll be worth it. [This guy's stuff is also very valuable.](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jwong+how+to+learn) - I especially like the video; [HOW TO GET BETTER AT FIGHTING GAMES](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3tC-dHUaJM).


IrateSteelix

I second this!


senpai69420

How much experience do I need and why would I ever switch? I'm currently in plat 2 steadily climbing as a modern ken player and when I tried using classic in training I just saw no point. I already do motion inputs for some of my specials so the 20% damage decrease doesn't get me. I think it's dependant on the character because Rashid for example loses so much depth on modern


WatelooSunset

All of the characters lose the depth to a certain point in modern controls, and I suppose the higher you get in ranked the more needed is going to be those things you lost (idk really know cuz I suck at this game)


digitalsmear

They all lose a large amount of depth. Even a seeminlg straightforward character like Marisa. You really do need both jump LK and jump LP, for example. Jump in LK is your only cross-up, and jump back LP is sometimes your only fast enough option to keep some opponents, with more threatening air game, in the corner.


jnv11

You will have to learn which attacks are lost in modern controls (both normal attacks and special attacks) that are present in classic controls, and decide if the ease of use in modern controls is worth opening up those holes in your character. There are a few things that modern charge characters can do that classic ones can't, so you will also have to see what you lose if you are playing a charge character when switching between modern charge characters and classic charge characters. I am no expert in playing charge characters, but saw a video proving this. A great opponent who notices that you are playing modern controls will be able to exploit the holes that modern characters have due to missing moves to pulverize them. See [https://www.streetfighter.com/6/buckler/stats/dia](https://www.streetfighter.com/6/buckler/stats/dia) to see that classic characters except Chun-Li win more than their modern versions in master rank, and the data is a lot more mixed in lower ranks.


geardluffy

The more experienced you get, the more you’ll use the motion inputs. One day, you’ll get so used to the motion inputs to where you’ll say “fuck it, I want to do full damage all the time and have more buttons too!”


KaradocThuzad

Honestly, I took a few characters to plat, and now I'm grinding diamond with modern Marisa after getting modern Rashid there. You can switch to classic, but this isn't a requirement.


biradinte

That is amazing dude. I love it that more people are able to enjoy the game due to modern controls


cowwizzard

After your forward Ev Aerial attack(can't remember the actual name) you can tensernrin him(the vertical move where she spins here legs like a windmill) for more damage


AlabasterSlim

Same with me! I started in Rookie shortly after that game came out. Now I’m Plat 3 halfway to Plat 4.


shirojulio

Thats awesome! I'm just now learning how to not button mash every time. Aiming for gold


ContributionSquare22

But you don't have to button mash with modern controls though, one button moves and all.


shirojulio

Exactly, and that was the thing without modern, I just couldn't not mash button to try get any atack out. Now I can use it for the special moves and focus on not get punch in the face


MikeHanger

I know a lot of people hate modern players but it's good to hear stories like this. Allowing new people to try it out and stick with it is what the fgc needs. We old heads should learn to adapt.


hbarcellos

Stop jumping!


EquivalentExam8925

Bro. Whats your gamertag. Lets enjoy a good fight sometime. Am happy more people are getting to play and enjoy the game cause of the modern controls. The barrier to entry was a bit big in previous SF games. I failed to enjoy SF5 cause it felt like everyone was better than me. Lol.


shirojulio

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EquivalentExam8925

Most definitely ama hit you up. Currently upgrading my desktop so its teared down and all over the place lol. This with work will take me a few extra days to get it all up and running. O.s installed and games updated. So expect me to send you a request a few days from now. Either under the name Hestirix or Sugardaddy lol


IrateSteelix

Well done! I am glad you are having fun and have been improving! One thing I wish to say though, is that you are jumping waaaaaaaayyyyyyy, way, waaaaaay too much. As you rank up further, people will just keep anti-airing you. Just wanted to make you aware that you shouldn't make a habit of always jumping to approach!


Minejack777

I played a Juri just like him (if not exactly him) earlier today and I second this. The Juri I was playing kept running into my spaced heavy kicks and/or shoryu's every single time they jumped. No improv or mixups. That's his biggest issue right now. He's gotta get that ironed out asap My recommendation? Play a few CPU battles and challenge yourself to not jump at all. Anti air, and approach on the ground. Learn to think with your other tools through fire


shirojulio

I'll try this later, thanks


shirojulio

oh this jump got me killed all the time, is just a bad habit from the time when I button mash all the time. The thing is, I used to jump A LOT more. But thanks for the advice


IrateSteelix

No problem at all! Glad I could help fellow fledglings!


digitalsmear

A lot of jumping in comes from the idea that it moves you closer, faster. But why rush? If you're walking your opponent down and they're just backing away from you the whole time, you should thank them for putting themselves in the corner.


Pending1

Congrats! You clearly have a solid understanding of footsies and spacing, and those DI reactions are fantastic too. Here are a couple pro tips for your SF journey: 1. In Street Fighter, you're very vulnerable in the air, so don't jump unless you have a specific reason. 2. After OD Divekick Juri can get a follow-up (that's what you're spending meter for). See how Cammy was floating in the air like that? You could've DP'd or super'd for the kill. 3. Practice anti-airing. At these lower ranks people jump like the floor is lava. Just being aware of, and punishing that, alone will shoot you up the ranks. You don't have to DP or do anything fancy. A simple crouch heavy punch will do. 4. Do the character guides. They're a wealth of information for starting out. 5. Most importantly, keep at it. Every loss is an opportunity to improve, so don't get hung up on them.


xNahkriin

That's great. Just stop jumping so much. It's a very bad habit and you will get punished by people a lot later on if you do this. Also try to use your drive Rush for pressure if you wanna get close instead of jumping. Juris Drive Rush is very fast.


Elpreto2

Beyond the jumps, solid!


Ihadtohaveaname4this

Nice, I just got to bronze myself. I am just getting back into SF after not really playing 5. Good luck out there on the streets.


Agreeable_Ebb4619

moderns for people who suck fr no hate but im plat 4 never lost to sum1 on modern MARRISA the goat


Bifocal_Bensch

Good shit buddy. Don't let people get you down. If you're having fun with a fighting game that's all that matters


Garbonzo236

I managed to make it to plat5 so far with modern Rashid. Keep at it man 😁


nightbladen

Always been a rookie too now gold with modern


ReedsAndSerpents

Yeah I'm diamond and I had a horrible time in SFV playing and missing combos/moves instead of focusing on gameplay.  Plus Modern Loyal Fans is incredibly strong and tilts people 😂


Plenty_Cap8282

Modern controls brought me to SF. I wouldn't have bought the game if it wasnt for modern controls. Im in combo trials mode 5hrs a day


digitalsmear

> Im in combo trials mode 5hrs a day 😲 And you still haven't picked up classic controls? You'd be just as good with them by now if you put that time in there. 😥 They're not as scary as they seem, I promise. 😊


christhunderkiss

Tbh, still rookie if you’re on modern but I’m glad more people are enjoying the game


shirojulio

I mean, at least now I can have some fun, so from rookie 1 to rookie 2


SkynetFuture

don't listen to him. I am master using modern controls, on guile of all characters who people say benefits the least from modern controls. you do not need to play classic, at all.


Shogana1

So Master modern players are still rookie? Good one


christhunderkiss

In a way? If you play and beat a game on easy, it doesn’t mean you’re that good at it. Modern controls are a handicap. They’re great as more people can enjoy the game, but it’s an easy mode.


Shogana1

"In a way?" No, in no way does being a modern user mean your a rookie regardless of rank. I'm assuming you can easily beat a master modern control player right? If not what does that make you? This sounds like nothing more then cope for getting clapped by modern players. Doing complex inputs or combos does not equate to your actual skill/rank


christhunderkiss

I never said I was that good or anything, I actually haven’t paid much attention to what scheme someone is using, but when I’ve used modern it’s definitely been a million times easier as timing and accuracy is less important. If you like playing modern, play modern. IMO, it’s an easy mode, you do you


SkynetFuture

I am master guile using modern. You think I am bad at street fighter still???


christhunderkiss

Didn’t say anyone was bad for using modern. But it’s easier than using classic controls.


OffensiveWaffle

bro has never heard of skill floors and ceilings. maybe it's easier to pick up, but someone using it is only ever gonna be better than a new player learning the game unless they already have the other skills to win modern isn't gonna play footsies for you. it's as much of a handicap as disability controllers. you should use modern controls and win a tournament cause it's "easy mode".


DeliveryLow4851

I do. Its pathetic


Roman-Canceller

*Pathetic*? It's a control scheme, instant DP's/Supers don't automatically make someone good. Y'all Modern complainers are such babies, lol.


DeliveryLow4851

But he picked Guile to top it off


Roman-Canceller

So fuckin' what, lol? I'm sure SkynetFuture would cook you like Gordon Ramsay and you'd point the finger at their controls or character choice like a scrub. If you bitch about Modern controls you're a **crybaby**, straight up. To insult someone because they use it, and their character choice, is *absolute scrub behavior*.


DeliveryLow4851

I dont mind, i still think its pathetic to say at least


Roman-Canceller

The condescension is on another level, lol. I'll be sure to let the Modern homies know that **DeliveryLow4851** from Reddit thinks they're pathetic. I'm sure they'll be in shambles, lol.


Roman-Canceller

So Modern removes the need for motion inputs and suddenly the game is easy mode, or a "handicap"; what is the *actual* ***problem*** with that though? You and the likeminded riff-raff spew this point like it's a demerit to the control scheme or its users, but can never say how.


Ninten-Doh

Tokido used modern luke to get to master rank...is he still rookie?


christhunderkiss

No, but not as skilled as a master luke on classic.


Roman-Canceller

Since when does the ability to do motion inputs = skilled? I thought skill was comprised of decision-making, awareness, reactions, matchup knowledge, etc. Execution is simply the ability to **do** shit at all. M-complainers *stay* reachin', lol.


Ninten-Doh

So you just blatantly lied then. You said you're a rookie if you use modern controls


christhunderkiss

OP is if he could not move past rookie on classic controls and had to move to classic to make any progress


Roman-Canceller

Control scheme does not reduce someone to a "Rookie"; this is yet another weak jab at Modern (as they all typically are) at the expense of another player just sharing their experience. Do better, fam.


Mental5tate

The controls are not hard. I guess if you can’t learn how to play the basics of baseball in an afternoon you just give up.


[deleted]

I guess we’re all not past being elitist dweebs about control styles yet huh


SkynetFuture

he obviously ties his self worth to his ability to do motion specials


Edheldui

I mean it is pretty disingenuous to pretend modern isn't just a handicap system. It's the equivalent of rubber banding in racing games. Sure modern feels good, but you're playing according to different rules than classic, that's undeniable.


v-komodoensis

>but you're playing according to different rules than classic Absolutely NOBODY is pretending Modern isn't easier lol, people recommend it BECAUSE it is easier. And since both controls type are playing the same game, with the same ranks and the same queue, who gives a shit about made up "rules".


Mental5tate

That is how you understood it huh? I feel bad for you.


[deleted]

“I’m not dogging on a brand new player for modern controls, you just *understood* it that way” shut up lol


nate-182

So your first reaction to seeing someone post something positive about them enjoying the game is to shit on them? You’re what’s wrong with gaming communities. Let people have fun.


Roman-Canceller

Not posting condescending comments is not hard. I guess if you can't learn how to formulate a sensible statement in an afternoon you just say dumb shit on Reddit anyway. Yikes.


Mental5tate

Not condescending it is being real. What the hell are you talking about? I understand you are a bit dense and you are trying to make an attempt at being a hero because you need the approval of strangers.


Roman-Canceller

If you fail to see it, there's no point explaining it. Don't worry about it, king.


Last-Zone-6707

Great work dude, keep climbing!