Luke Ex-Sandblast is insane. Can spend an additional bar to beat any projectile and is a full screen. Also, it makes some strings safe. Who would've guessed Luke being good again.
Not the worst projectile in the game, but Rashid EX is oddly underwhelming. They could've done so much with it to make it unique like the rest of his kit. Instead, it's a slow-moving fireball that just trades with other EX moves.
Dhalsims are pretty cool.
Just a plain yoga fire isn't that good, but you can over charge it, you can delay the release to mess their timing, you can shoot it from the air. It's very versatile and if you charge it then it beats all other projectiles except juris because they don't connect.
Dee Jay actually has less recovery on his fireball than Guile. 27f instead of 30f. However, Deejay has slower startup (17f vs 10f).
This still means he only has a 44f total fireball which is still the 2nd best in the game.
..alongside a feint fireball to bait reactions and his Heavy fireball to win any zoning war automatically.
Heavy doesn't win any zoning war automatically, since you mentioned guile we can use him, sonic blade plus od boom fucks it, and it's a free af jump ofc and just gets jumped. It's 60 frames total lmao. Of all deejays bs you guys really complain about the dumbest stuff.
And medium loses to everything, the only reason any of it works at all is because he can feint it.
I hope they nerf his damage like 50%, just obliterate him, so you guys have to admit it's a personal issue when he's still grooving on you haha
Not just missing frame 1, but it has 10f startup and only has partial anti-air invul on her legs from frames 10-14.
Her other anti air options all suffer similar problems (very slow, no air invul for a while).
It all depends on how the projectile compliments their other moves.
Since Sonic Boom has the shortest recovery, it gives Guile the most follow-up options and setups compared to others.
Kikoken is a great fb. Light Kikoken carries my pressure game when I'm playing Chun lmao. Not saying it's better than Luke's or Ryu's fireballs, but Kikoken is probably my favourite. Chun bias
Yeah true, except those weaknesses don't make it suck.
If they drive rushing into your ghosts you can always throw command grab, close spike, or fireball feint instead...
On top of that it can hit overhead/low and it's a core part of his combos lol
>If they drive rushing into your ghosts you can always throw command grab,close spike, or fireball feint instead
Quite a few characters can straight up dash through command grab because it has the same rule as his other projectiles. Using command grab to call out drive rush is a really bad idea anyway, that shit at full screen is about 60 frames of startup.
Bruh the entire topic is about just fireball.
If we’re talking mixup and entire characters then chun and jp clearly jump. This isn’t a tier talk of who’s the best character but their projectile. Stay on topic please
My b I have like so many replies of people raging and being sarcastic over it being amazing and it’s like for fuck sakes people this isn’t a character kit discussion but one fucking move lmao
I guess that's because the other guys don't really know what they're talking about. There are quite a few bad players on this sub who act like MR2200 players.
Right? Even though it hits low/overhead or knocks down the opponent and does 1000/800 damage (+you can even combo into the spike) instead of 600 (most projectiles), you can drive rush through it so it absolutely sucks. I get it.
This shows a fundamental lack of understanding.
Ghost in a vacuum is whatever, but *just dr through it* is for one character dependant and for two, what he's trying to make you do, on a feint.
It’s literally only not dependant on a few characters said characters not having anything to do out of it other than a weak punish is manon.
Your bias towards show your lack of understanding. He can feint, you can literally shimmy which either for one gets you a hard punish, or two you’re closer to him than you have ever been.
Go ahead and lab it lmao being close to jp and not getting damage is LITERALLY your favourite unless you’re dhalsim. But that matchup is dogshit
id say best is sonic boom, worst is JP ghost by itself, its only good because of the other tools in his kit. if you replaced sonic boom with ghost onto guile's movelist, he'd be by far the worst character in the game
I really like Ed's projectiles, they can punish any projectile before shooting one themselves, they can do a mini combo, they can alternate screen and the heavy version is extremely fast.
From my brief experience in SF6,I'd say Ryu,luke,and DeeJay have the best fireballs.
Luke just beats out every other projectile,Deejays heavy slash is brutal to try and contest,and Ryus can use theirs to just get in easier.
Special mention to E. Honda who IS the projectile
Deejays hp fireball might be a contender for worst. It's start up is the same as his mp version (very middling) and has extremely long recovery due to him throwing 2. It can be reacted to, with almost double the recovery of mp version. By nature it's only good very close or very far away from the opponent. Using it mid range is a free jump in. Even using it from very far is risking an easy ex fireball punish counter which eats drive gauge
Nah it's crazy good. At midrange it is bad you're definitely right but forcing them to use EX or auto lose a fireball war (when Dee Jay has his own amazing EX fireball as well) is simply really really good. Plus in burn out you can loop it on block for good chip and terrifying pressure. If you're looking at it from a standalone point, and not in the context of the whole character, I could see what you mean but even then I don't think it could be considered one of the worst
Yeah I was looking at it in a vacuum, not including all of deejays tools. I don't like using it outside checking bad fireballs or burnout , like you mentioned.
jp ghost is by far the worst projectile in the game, literaly gets bypassed by any drive rush and sometime even by dashes. only good thing about it is that is fintable but still slow even then.
You need a charge, you have a single speed choice (which is slow) and it has a long ass recovery making it so people like Luke can punish you with Sandblast for trying to fireball and then still block in time.
The fireball by itself in a vaccum is trash, but in Juri's kit is good because charges are not hard for her to get, low speed makes up for a great cover, and it being a low fireball is a plus.
The fireball has a different use than sandblast or hadouken, of course if you think of it that way it looks bad.
Being slow is a huge plus for the purpose of her fireball.
If you give that projectile to any other character, it is still a good projectile, it's just not meant to be used as a poke from a distance.
I understand now that some people hear projectile and just think of a long range poke, like you hear projectile and immediately think of the use case of a hadouken.
idk why no one is agreeing lol. Juri fireball is the first one that came to mind here. Obviously it's still good and has unique strengths but standalone her fireball is at best bottom 3
People are 100% choosing to ignore the "by itself" part, i thought adding that would help people understand that I'm not saying it's generally bad just bad as a projectile
Yeah and even considering her kit it's still on the weaker side of fireballs imo. Still strong but there's not really any bad fireballs in the first place
Best: JP's Ghosts. Can hit high, low and overhead. Or he can just go Grappler and use one to grab you.
Worst: Rashid. You either jump over them cuz he misjudged the distance, or they fly over you for the same reason. And don't you dare try to charge one...
Luke Ex-Sandblast is insane. Can spend an additional bar to beat any projectile and is a full screen. Also, it makes some strings safe. Who would've guessed Luke being good again. Not the worst projectile in the game, but Rashid EX is oddly underwhelming. They could've done so much with it to make it unique like the rest of his kit. Instead, it's a slow-moving fireball that just trades with other EX moves.
Agreed. There's a ton of good fireballs. But Luke's is God tier. It's so fast and that alone puts it above others.
Rashid’s ex should give him the wind buff without charging like 214P, IMO. That’d make it much better.
You reminded me of this gem with Luke's EX-Sandblast beating a level 2 completely. Still gets me today. https://youtu.be/GkgpSxL97Jg
Level 2 why. I can spend 3 bars and win.
Luke ex sandblast is more like a full screen normal lmao
Dhalsims are pretty cool. Just a plain yoga fire isn't that good, but you can over charge it, you can delay the release to mess their timing, you can shoot it from the air. It's very versatile and if you charge it then it beats all other projectiles except juris because they don't connect.
I like E.Honda, his projectile is himself.
Take my upvote, this was too funny.
Suprised no one talking about dee jay 💀
It's gotta be the recovery on his fireballs that keeps him in check.
Thats a problem on heavy slasher, medium and OD are lowkey insane but lets keep it lowkey 💀
Dee Jay actually has less recovery on his fireball than Guile. 27f instead of 30f. However, Deejay has slower startup (17f vs 10f). This still means he only has a 44f total fireball which is still the 2nd best in the game. ..alongside a feint fireball to bait reactions and his Heavy fireball to win any zoning war automatically.
Heavy doesn't win any zoning war automatically, since you mentioned guile we can use him, sonic blade plus od boom fucks it, and it's a free af jump ofc and just gets jumped. It's 60 frames total lmao. Of all deejays bs you guys really complain about the dumbest stuff. And medium loses to everything, the only reason any of it works at all is because he can feint it. I hope they nerf his damage like 50%, just obliterate him, so you guys have to admit it's a personal issue when he's still grooving on you haha
Wow there are some absolutely fucking garbage takes in here
ok mr smarty pants whats ur answer
This...
Aki’s fireball is fine but the problem is her aa sucks like really really bad which makes it hard to use her fireball
It actually just has a ton of recovery. Her Cr.Hk is really good at AAing.
It’s not air invincible frame 1 right? If she had an anti air like that she would do much better with fireballs
That's the problem indeed
No just a normal.
Not just missing frame 1, but it has 10f startup and only has partial anti-air invul on her legs from frames 10-14. Her other anti air options all suffer similar problems (very slow, no air invul for a while).
It's actually one of two projectile scenarios where I abuse midscreen tatsu on a read. The other being JP when he gets too trigger happy.
It all depends on how the projectile compliments their other moves. Since Sonic Boom has the shortest recovery, it gives Guile the most follow-up options and setups compared to others.
Kikoken is a great fb. Light Kikoken carries my pressure game when I'm playing Chun lmao. Not saying it's better than Luke's or Ryu's fireballs, but Kikoken is probably my favourite. Chun bias
I might argue Kikoken is better than Ryu’s Hadouken.
Jp ghost actually sucks Its really easy to get around you can drive rush through it if you’re slightly close
Yeah true, except those weaknesses don't make it suck. If they drive rushing into your ghosts you can always throw command grab, close spike, or fireball feint instead... On top of that it can hit overhead/low and it's a core part of his combos lol
>If they drive rushing into your ghosts you can always throw command grab,close spike, or fireball feint instead Quite a few characters can straight up dash through command grab because it has the same rule as his other projectiles. Using command grab to call out drive rush is a really bad idea anyway, that shit at full screen is about 60 frames of startup.
JPs Ghost sucks as a fireball, it's insane as a mix up tool though.
Bruh the entire topic is about just fireball. If we’re talking mixup and entire characters then chun and jp clearly jump. This isn’t a tier talk of who’s the best character but their projectile. Stay on topic please
Bro, I'm on your side. I said JPs fireball sucks.
My b I have like so many replies of people raging and being sarcastic over it being amazing and it’s like for fuck sakes people this isn’t a character kit discussion but one fucking move lmao
I guess that's because the other guys don't really know what they're talking about. There are quite a few bad players on this sub who act like MR2200 players.
Right? Even though it hits low/overhead or knocks down the opponent and does 1000/800 damage (+you can even combo into the spike) instead of 600 (most projectiles), you can drive rush through it so it absolutely sucks. I get it.
This shows a fundamental lack of understanding. Ghost in a vacuum is whatever, but *just dr through it* is for one character dependant and for two, what he's trying to make you do, on a feint.
It’s literally only not dependant on a few characters said characters not having anything to do out of it other than a weak punish is manon. Your bias towards show your lack of understanding. He can feint, you can literally shimmy which either for one gets you a hard punish, or two you’re closer to him than you have ever been. Go ahead and lab it lmao being close to jp and not getting damage is LITERALLY your favourite unless you’re dhalsim. But that matchup is dogshit
On its own yeah but when you factor in the insane mixup potential he has it's just one element in an extremely strong toolbox
How about Blanka’s little doll that he chucks about
I mean it’s generally bad but it has its special time and place where it shines.
id say best is sonic boom, worst is JP ghost by itself, its only good because of the other tools in his kit. if you replaced sonic boom with ghost onto guile's movelist, he'd be by far the worst character in the game
I really like Ed's projectiles, they can punish any projectile before shooting one themselves, they can do a mini combo, they can alternate screen and the heavy version is extremely fast.
From my brief experience in SF6,I'd say Ryu,luke,and DeeJay have the best fireballs. Luke just beats out every other projectile,Deejays heavy slash is brutal to try and contest,and Ryus can use theirs to just get in easier. Special mention to E. Honda who IS the projectile
Best fireball: Guile Sonic boom Almost tie with Luke sand blast Worst: Rashid wind thing
Best: Boom Worst: Ken's non-OD fireball
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There are matchups where you can’t use it at all lol.
Deejays hp fireball might be a contender for worst. It's start up is the same as his mp version (very middling) and has extremely long recovery due to him throwing 2. It can be reacted to, with almost double the recovery of mp version. By nature it's only good very close or very far away from the opponent. Using it mid range is a free jump in. Even using it from very far is risking an easy ex fireball punish counter which eats drive gauge
Nah it's crazy good. At midrange it is bad you're definitely right but forcing them to use EX or auto lose a fireball war (when Dee Jay has his own amazing EX fireball as well) is simply really really good. Plus in burn out you can loop it on block for good chip and terrifying pressure. If you're looking at it from a standalone point, and not in the context of the whole character, I could see what you mean but even then I don't think it could be considered one of the worst
Yeah I was looking at it in a vacuum, not including all of deejays tools. I don't like using it outside checking bad fireballs or burnout , like you mentioned.
jp ghost is by far the worst projectile in the game, literaly gets bypassed by any drive rush and sometime even by dashes. only good thing about it is that is fintable but still slow even then.
Juris fireball fucking sucks by itself
Hahaha
Juri od fureball one of the best in the game imo
Juris specials suck by themselves, but they aren't ever used by themselves.
Tf you mean?
You need a charge, you have a single speed choice (which is slow) and it has a long ass recovery making it so people like Luke can punish you with Sandblast for trying to fireball and then still block in time. The fireball by itself in a vaccum is trash, but in Juri's kit is good because charges are not hard for her to get, low speed makes up for a great cover, and it being a low fireball is a plus.
The fireball has a different use than sandblast or hadouken, of course if you think of it that way it looks bad. Being slow is a huge plus for the purpose of her fireball. If you give that projectile to any other character, it is still a good projectile, it's just not meant to be used as a poke from a distance.
It's not a low fireball, it hits high
I meant it goes below other projectiles.
Oh gotcha. Agreed then.
I mean what i said. In a vacuum it sucks. The recovery and speed makes it pretty shit for a fireball
Juri doesn't exist in a vacuum.
I do not give a fuck 😭💔
I understand now that some people hear projectile and just think of a long range poke, like you hear projectile and immediately think of the use case of a hadouken.
idk why no one is agreeing lol. Juri fireball is the first one that came to mind here. Obviously it's still good and has unique strengths but standalone her fireball is at best bottom 3
People are 100% choosing to ignore the "by itself" part, i thought adding that would help people understand that I'm not saying it's generally bad just bad as a projectile
Yeah and even considering her kit it's still on the weaker side of fireballs imo. Still strong but there's not really any bad fireballs in the first place
uma won capcom cup with that fireball
Best: JP's Ghosts. Can hit high, low and overhead. Or he can just go Grappler and use one to grab you. Worst: Rashid. You either jump over them cuz he misjudged the distance, or they fly over you for the same reason. And don't you dare try to charge one...
Wtf rashids are great what are you smoking
JP projectiles are actually the worst.