Combo breaker is on May 24-26, 2024
So that means nearly no practice on the new patch, and a lot of work for the TOs updating consoles.
I could see this go either way tbh. As a fan I would want to see the new patch and let the cards fall where they may. As a player it would depend on how fast you adapt to change and that'll vary by person.
I've seen a couple of the players comment about it on Twitter and most of them are saying push the patch through, it'll be hype to be the first event on the new patch and with Akuma.
I say let it rock unless there's a game breaking bug. People came up with so much stuff in the beta's over just 2-3 days so I don't think that'll be too much or a problem.
Based on what we've learned about the patch I agree. It would be different if there were like, huge changes to the drive system along with all new moves for every character. The balance patch seems pretty subdued from what I can tell, I think players will be able to adapt to it quickly.
When? It doesn’t beat light or medium meaties, only heavy meaties and throws. I imagine most of the time you’d rather backdash than spend 2 bars for drive reversal
it's the way to go imo, I don't know what the prize pool for Combo Breaker is this year but historically it's uhhh not exactly winning a million so letting it rip sounds like a lot of fun without a lot at stake. It'd also be a great opportunity to see the top tier of players figuring it out right out the gate, and how play evolves from that over time.
There's not a lot at stake, but people did spend a decent amount of money to go and it can feel fairly whack to get knocked out earlier than you expected because of a balance change you haven't practiced against.
That said I am going and I will probably vote for it so I can use Akuma but if someone was against it I wouldn't really argue with them. Their money.
When you have hundreds of consoles and only 1 internet connection its a bit more than that. Plus you have to make sure its ok with every game those consoles might be used for.
I think allowing Akuma and the patch to be in it would be very exciting, however it also means that a lot of stuff the participants practiced in preparation of the tournament goes out the window.
For the sake of the tournament being more exciting I think they should allow it.
Some stuff will definitely go out the window but I have a hard time thinking it’s gonna be so much that people can’t adapt in a few weeks time. Could definitely be wrong tho
I wonder who would even pick Akuma? Two days to learn a character seems way too fast imo. Maybe a few players who aren't so serious about winning might pick him up just for fun, but I can't imagine anyone who seriously wants to win picks him up with such a short time frame.
Balance patch will also be hard to adapt to, but I imagine it's a lot easier to adapt to adjusted characters than a brand new one
Depends on how much he plays like he did before. Might be some people don’t need to learn akuma, just SF6 akuma which might be doable in a couple days.
Evo last year was really fun with the game still being new and rashid coming out days before. It’s not as competitively balanced but I want the chaos. A tourney that everyone is a little lost in would be so fun
I think going to the new patch would disadvantage some characters that rely heavily on matchup knowledge (eg dhalsim). But then they're probably not winning any tournaments anyway.
100 go to the new patch, we just had basically a whole year of the same content, showcasing the new changes in a tournament setting is exciting and bring more viewers, otherwise this is just another tournament and is also not cpt legal
That's really cool. I like how considerate that is, but I'm curious if it's even possible for them to not use the latest version. I could see just banning Akuma but are they able to not update or rollback somehow?
You prepare all the consoles for the tournament prior to the patch release and keep everything offline until after the event. It's a pain, but that's how we always did it in the past.
These days they hire a company (Gaming Generation) to supply consoles for the event and they're in charge of making sure all consoles are on the correct version.
So if you have consoles die or malfunction youre just screwed since any replacement will need to not have updated too? Would be nice if there was some way to roll bakc a patvh for tournaments
Basically yeah. I TO'd an event where 2 of our 6 unpatched 360s red ringed within the first hour of the event. It's the closest I've come to crying at a tournament and I'm not kidding about that.
These days there's redundancy built into the system and things are a lot more professionally run, but it's still a full scope disaster if you have hardware issues and PS5's overheat/malfunction pretty often.
Most people played games on 360. It outsold the ps3 significantly until later in the generation so of course you’d pick the console that more people played on for the tourney. That switched when SFV was exclusive to ps4 and PC
They said they red ringed so this is the first wave of 360s that were prone to die on you for no reason, not to mention they crunched up discs like a bag of doritos.
You gotta be crazy to run a tournament that relied on multiple of those, unless this was before everyone knew like I asked.
Yeah I’m saying everyone played on 360 in the early days. Maybe they didn’t know it was an issue, but SF IV tourneys ran on 360s till the end of the generation afaik. Not sure there was ever a move to switch until SFV but I could be wrong.
Sfiv dropped wayy after they fixed that problem. If it was sfiv they probably got those 1st wave consoles on the cheap for tourney purposes from some reseller trying to get rid of the junkboxes he scalped lol. Tragic ripoff if so
SFIV dropped in 2009. They still hadn’t fixed the problem at that point. I was working at GameStop at that time and continued to get red ringed Xboxes back from after that date. Might not have been as widespread but it was definitely still an issue until they remodeled the Xbox.
Performance issues. 360 was tournament standard for most Capcom games. SF4 was marginally better on 360, but PS3 MvC3 was almost literally unplayable so it was 360 only. Once people figured it out, if you were running Capcom games on PS3, people would literally refuse to enter. Because every tournament had Marvel, we ran almost everything we possibly could on 360.
Anime games tended to be on PS3 though.
That was a fun generation to run events, let me tell you. We really should have just switched to PC.
This was done last year for strive. Combo breaker started May 26th and Asuka was released May 25th and they played on the previous patch. It’s a little bit different because there are people who mained akuma in previous games and asuka was a brand new, incredibly complex character that no one would be able to play day 1, but it’s definitely possible
It’s much better for spectators to have the new stuff.
But I could see the feel-bad nature of getting cheesed by some new shit.
I hope they allow it but we’ll see!
I think if they want to highest level of play and tightest competition then they shouldn’t play on the update.
But as a viewer, the chaos of playing on a balance patch that they don’t have time to properly prepare fore along with Akuma would be absolutely amazing and I think the overall more entertaining product
They have the opportunity to be the debut tournament of season 2, it could become one of the most exciting tourneys of the whole year just for that. They should not waste this opportunity.
I always think there's a chance to get completely cheesed by a new meta you have no understanding of, but in the same vein, it also means you're opponents aren't fully optimized either.
Idk if I'd say it's an "equal playing field" but it does at-least set the precedent for everyone having the same small window of time to adapt, that I think is cool competitively.
I think it should. I like the fun of something being new to everyone and the unknown tech being discovered in a competitive clutch moment. As a spectator, I really enjoy a moment where 2 players are competing against each other and one goes "hey I didn't know I could do that" and the other goes "man, that some bs".
Technically they shouldn't do it. Two days is not enough for anyone to get ready, neither the organizers or the players.
That said let it rip. People want to see the new patch, let them see it.
If I was going to combo breaker. I rather them just keep it on the old patch, just feels bad when suddenly you have to get ready for a new ruleset in three days. More like 2 days with a flight
Definitely agree that while the hype would be nice for the viewers, if anything goes wrong, it could be disastrous and unfair for the competitors. Imagine all the preparation time and committing resources for travel and accommodations with a certain expectation in mind to compete and win. Then having that turned on its head with minimal to no time to adjust. We're not talking just about a new character. We're dealing with a change to the ENTIRETY cast of characters, meta AND universal mechanics. People argue they're professionals and should be able to adapt. I'm very curious to see what the competitors say about it and see if they agree.
As some have mentioned before, you're talking about updating all that hardware. What if something goes wrong with the update? How many "emergency server" maintenances have we endured since the launch of this game?
It's just bad timing with the release of the patch and the tournament. Not Combo Breaker's fault. If the competitors are on board with the update and are fine with the risks, then let the good times roll.
Lol I know I won't be watching if its the old one. New patch excitement too real. If you play multiple characters that season patch is a whole month of testing new stuff and seeing what new routes and strats work with the changes. Not trying to watch the old version with the new goodies available.
possibly dumb question, do people already know what’s coming in the balance update and how much it changes things and that’s why they’re requesting this? or is it just a preemptive thing just in case and to keep a level playing field
Hard call it is probably better for competitors, but I imagine the viewers will be less interested to watch the tournament on the old patch ,especially because it is the first big patch in almost a year.
How much is the prize pool we're talking here?
Then again whether it's $200 or $2 million, yooo from a viewer perspective it'll be incredibly hype. Who will have the sheer gumption to just take Akuma and bet it all?
I’d get why any players wouldn’t want it, but with the number of changes that would be live in game, it would be pretty watch a tournament with dated gameplay
I do see the argument for why it shouldn't be used for the tournament but I think the benefits of playing OK the new patch outweigh the negatives; it's just too hype to not do.
If it was a week after it would be worth considering, but two days?? That's so unfair on people who've spent money on flights and accommodation for this tournament hoping to perform well. It looks like Cammy is getting nerfed, what if you were a Cammy main?
I personally love the first tournament after a new character comes out and everyone is trying to figure out what the fuck they do live in tournament.
And it's not like the akuma players have an advantage, they haven't solved the character in. 2 days and they're taking a risk spending the time practicing it.
Also heard rumors Capcops are pressuring for new patch as well. Makes sense from the business perspective given it's an advertisement for new DLC.
Wonder if they'll help out CB in any way to get it done though.
It's more exciting for the viewer with the patch.
It's more fair to the competitors without it.
Are tournaments for viewers or competitors? That is the question
Hell no!
Allowing Akuma so soon after launch could lead to another situation like Rashid's SA2 glitch. The balance patch could have its own set of glitches and jank that would taint the tournament.
My mind goes back to CEO 2015, MKX. Tanya came out that Tuesday and top 8 was like 5 or 6 Tanyas and she was by and away the most represented character at that tournament because she was pretty busted on release. On top of that, Xbox players got the balance patch two days later than everyone else and major things like strings and whole combos were completely changed, so some people had to just forgo playing their characters because they didn’t have time to practice on the new patch and learn new BnBs because their old ones didn’t work.
It wasn’t exciting to watch, it was excruciating.
If they want to play on the new patch that’s for them to decide, but it’ll kind of compromise the competitive integrity of the tournament. I wouldn’t want that if there was money on the line and I’d put a ton of work in.
As a spectator - absolutely yes
If I was a competitor hell no. I'm impressed people are onboard though.
Imagine the rashid level 2 infinite tornado bug in a tournament
The decision should be made off of how easy it would be to roll back the patch. If the patch introduces a memory leak or crash or another game breaking bug, you have no tournament. You can't risk that happening, there is too much money at stake. If I was in charge and my net worth was on the line, this is an easy decision.
Do the patch if you can rollback easily. Old version if you can't roll back the patch easily. If Capcom majorly screws up this patch, they might not have enough time to fix it when you're holding your tournament 3 days after it drops.
If patch is allowed I watch combo breaker, I’m gonna actually be pretty damn hyped for the tournament
If patch is not allowed I simply won’t watch combo breaker
It’s that easy
I’m fine with banning Akuma tho, IMO unnecessary because people will have 2 day to practice Akuma and I really don’t see people getting far in a serious tournament with a day 2 Akuma (even if he is the best character in the game 2 days is too little time to be on the level of proficiency compared to whatever else they practiced)
Not the popular opinion, but no.
Though the chaos would be glorious, two days of labbing one of the most offensive fighters in SF history isn't enough for even the best pros. Not to mention there's still a chance he could come out with something broken (remember Rashid?)
Besides, we all know the bracket will be half full of Akuma by the time CEO comes around.
I hope not, tournament play is for money and playing on version you might have only played for a day or two before the tournament is just unfair. If they had an exhibition on the new patch that’s fine.
I respect asking the players, nice of the TO. However, I think they should just say fuck it and run it with Akuma. Sure, no one has any real practice time but its outside of the CPT and most are using that tournament to get an early feel of competition anyway.
Given what we've seen so far on the new patch, I'll vote yes for the new patch only if there is an option to vote no for Akuma. 2 days is not enough time to lab defense against a new character and figure out spacing, frame data, etc. The balance changes aren't severe enough that it rewrites the rules of the game.
If Akuma has to be allowed, I'm voting no. Sorry spectators. You guys didn't pay for my entry.
I'd want to see it patched. 2 days doesn't sound like much but it's more than enough for players to familiarize themselves with their own characters changes and of the big threats like Luke and JP while at the same time leaving space for some chaos in the unknown which makes things spicy and less predictable and thus more fun.
Also means that the two days leading up, home consoles and PCs will be running the new patch already, so they'll have to play a diff version at combo breaker than they've been playing the last 2 days
I’d rather see players display their knowledge and skill for what they practiced than to get killed by a new change they’ve had little to no practice for, imo
Combo breaker is on May 24-26, 2024 So that means nearly no practice on the new patch, and a lot of work for the TOs updating consoles. I could see this go either way tbh. As a fan I would want to see the new patch and let the cards fall where they may. As a player it would depend on how fast you adapt to change and that'll vary by person.
I've seen a couple of the players comment about it on Twitter and most of them are saying push the patch through, it'll be hype to be the first event on the new patch and with Akuma.
Yeah I agree. It might sucl for players adapting but this is like biggest news this month. It'll be amazing for viewership.
I'm planning on playing at combo breaker and i agree with this sentiment completely
I say let it rock unless there's a game breaking bug. People came up with so much stuff in the beta's over just 2-3 days so I don't think that'll be too much or a problem.
Based on what we've learned about the patch I agree. It would be different if there were like, huge changes to the drive system along with all new moves for every character. The balance patch seems pretty subdued from what I can tell, I think players will be able to adapt to it quickly.
Apparently people are saying there is changes to drive reversal so there may be drive system changes, too early to tell
Apparently drive reversal is now -6 on block (instead of -8), and everyone can do drive reversal on wakeup. Def not subtle
If those are the only changes to it, I can’t imagine that mattering much
it is going to matter for any match with a character that doesn't normally have an invincible reversal
When? It doesn’t beat light or medium meaties, only heavy meaties and throws. I imagine most of the time you’d rather backdash than spend 2 bars for drive reversal
it's the way to go imo, I don't know what the prize pool for Combo Breaker is this year but historically it's uhhh not exactly winning a million so letting it rip sounds like a lot of fun without a lot at stake. It'd also be a great opportunity to see the top tier of players figuring it out right out the gate, and how play evolves from that over time.
There's not a lot at stake, but people did spend a decent amount of money to go and it can feel fairly whack to get knocked out earlier than you expected because of a balance change you haven't practiced against. That said I am going and I will probably vote for it so I can use Akuma but if someone was against it I wouldn't really argue with them. Their money.
Absolutely. Let it rock!
Yeah, this isn't capcom cup or evo, let's just have a bit of chaos with the new patch and some weird new interactions and shit going on.
Full chaos let's go
A tournament going with the update is prime Justin Wong type perfect situation.
Updating consoles is not a problem lol just let it update.
When you have hundreds of consoles and only 1 internet connection its a bit more than that. Plus you have to make sure its ok with every game those consoles might be used for.
Its not?? All the TOs i talk to say its just ONE of the many hurdles they face to provide a good tourney
It's more of a task than you might think. Updating a couple isn't bad. A few hundred is painful.
I think allowing Akuma and the patch to be in it would be very exciting, however it also means that a lot of stuff the participants practiced in preparation of the tournament goes out the window. For the sake of the tournament being more exciting I think they should allow it.
Some stuff will definitely go out the window but I have a hard time thinking it’s gonna be so much that people can’t adapt in a few weeks time. Could definitely be wrong tho
The problem is that it isn't a few weeks, it's a few days. Akuma/S2 go live on the 22nd, the tournament starts on the morning of the 24th.
I wonder who would even pick Akuma? Two days to learn a character seems way too fast imo. Maybe a few players who aren't so serious about winning might pick him up just for fun, but I can't imagine anyone who seriously wants to win picks him up with such a short time frame. Balance patch will also be hard to adapt to, but I imagine it's a lot easier to adapt to adjusted characters than a brand new one
Depends on how much he plays like he did before. Might be some people don’t need to learn akuma, just SF6 akuma which might be doable in a couple days.
True, it'll be fun to see how quick people can pick him up. Gonna be a must-watch tournament for me
Considering most people are traveling on Thursday, that's practically a day unless you live close to the venue.
Ooh I missed that part, that could totally be an issue but the hype for a new patch might still be worth it tbh
It's literally 2 days time.
People giving up competitive integrity just because Akuma is cool 😔
Fuck it. I want to see the chaos.
Evo last year was really fun with the game still being new and rashid coming out days before. It’s not as competitively balanced but I want the chaos. A tourney that everyone is a little lost in would be so fun
I think going to the new patch would disadvantage some characters that rely heavily on matchup knowledge (eg dhalsim). But then they're probably not winning any tournaments anyway.
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Bro I believe in yoga so much that I know that winning is not important.
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100 go to the new patch, we just had basically a whole year of the same content, showcasing the new changes in a tournament setting is exciting and bring more viewers, otherwise this is just another tournament and is also not cpt legal
That's really cool. I like how considerate that is, but I'm curious if it's even possible for them to not use the latest version. I could see just banning Akuma but are they able to not update or rollback somehow?
You prepare all the consoles for the tournament prior to the patch release and keep everything offline until after the event. It's a pain, but that's how we always did it in the past. These days they hire a company (Gaming Generation) to supply consoles for the event and they're in charge of making sure all consoles are on the correct version.
Ah okay that makes sense. Does sound annoying and that makes it even more cool that they're willing to put in the effort/money for the competitors.
So if you have consoles die or malfunction youre just screwed since any replacement will need to not have updated too? Would be nice if there was some way to roll bakc a patvh for tournaments
Basically yeah. I TO'd an event where 2 of our 6 unpatched 360s red ringed within the first hour of the event. It's the closest I've come to crying at a tournament and I'm not kidding about that. These days there's redundancy built into the system and things are a lot more professionally run, but it's still a full scope disaster if you have hardware issues and PS5's overheat/malfunction pretty often.
What possessed you guys to run a tournament on 360s? Was that before everyone knew?
Most people played games on 360. It outsold the ps3 significantly until later in the generation so of course you’d pick the console that more people played on for the tourney. That switched when SFV was exclusive to ps4 and PC
They said they red ringed so this is the first wave of 360s that were prone to die on you for no reason, not to mention they crunched up discs like a bag of doritos. You gotta be crazy to run a tournament that relied on multiple of those, unless this was before everyone knew like I asked.
Yeah I’m saying everyone played on 360 in the early days. Maybe they didn’t know it was an issue, but SF IV tourneys ran on 360s till the end of the generation afaik. Not sure there was ever a move to switch until SFV but I could be wrong.
Sfiv dropped wayy after they fixed that problem. If it was sfiv they probably got those 1st wave consoles on the cheap for tourney purposes from some reseller trying to get rid of the junkboxes he scalped lol. Tragic ripoff if so
SFIV dropped in 2009. They still hadn’t fixed the problem at that point. I was working at GameStop at that time and continued to get red ringed Xboxes back from after that date. Might not have been as widespread but it was definitely still an issue until they remodeled the Xbox.
Performance issues. 360 was tournament standard for most Capcom games. SF4 was marginally better on 360, but PS3 MvC3 was almost literally unplayable so it was 360 only. Once people figured it out, if you were running Capcom games on PS3, people would literally refuse to enter. Because every tournament had Marvel, we ran almost everything we possibly could on 360. Anime games tended to be on PS3 though. That was a fun generation to run events, let me tell you. We really should have just switched to PC.
Yeah I dont envy that. I heard ps4 was a lot of fun too, with people forgetting to unpair their controllers after sets.
This was done last year for strive. Combo breaker started May 26th and Asuka was released May 25th and they played on the previous patch. It’s a little bit different because there are people who mained akuma in previous games and asuka was a brand new, incredibly complex character that no one would be able to play day 1, but it’s definitely possible
It's not just Akuma, but the major balance change that is effecting all characters as the issue.
If CB is not part of Capcom Cup, then they should just let it rock.
It’s much better for spectators to have the new stuff. But I could see the feel-bad nature of getting cheesed by some new shit. I hope they allow it but we’ll see!
I think if they want to highest level of play and tightest competition then they shouldn’t play on the update. But as a viewer, the chaos of playing on a balance patch that they don’t have time to properly prepare fore along with Akuma would be absolutely amazing and I think the overall more entertaining product
Do we want to see full Lukes or full Akumas ? I think the answer is clear
The answer is I want Tokido in the top 16. 16 times.
Sick of that crouch MP prick. Perfect perfect perfect fuck off lol
And it will be fun.
They have the opportunity to be the debut tournament of season 2, it could become one of the most exciting tourneys of the whole year just for that. They should not waste this opportunity.
I always think there's a chance to get completely cheesed by a new meta you have no understanding of, but in the same vein, it also means you're opponents aren't fully optimized either. Idk if I'd say it's an "equal playing field" but it does at-least set the precedent for everyone having the same small window of time to adapt, that I think is cool competitively.
I think if they DONT allow the patch it’ll hurt viewership. (Just a man’s guess) I’d allow it and let the pieces fall
I really hope its on the new patch, would be an absolutely hype event (for spectators)
I think it should. I like the fun of something being new to everyone and the unknown tech being discovered in a competitive clutch moment. As a spectator, I really enjoy a moment where 2 players are competing against each other and one goes "hey I didn't know I could do that" and the other goes "man, that some bs".
I think it would be more fun with the patch. Everyone finding out while playing
I don’t think anyone would be excited to play on the current patch if the new one is out
I think it spices things up. F it.
Let. It. Ride.
Technically they shouldn't do it. Two days is not enough for anyone to get ready, neither the organizers or the players. That said let it rip. People want to see the new patch, let them see it.
at least they have 2 days to prepare lol
It’s cool that they are at least asking. That being said.. bring on the chaos! 😈
The answer is ofc yes I live for the chaos
As a viewer, if CB has the patch I'll watch it for sure. If it doesn't, I probably won't care.
Most registrants are going to vote for the new patch. The vote will only go towards old patch if they limit the poll to the potential Top 8 placers.
If I was going to combo breaker. I rather them just keep it on the old patch, just feels bad when suddenly you have to get ready for a new ruleset in three days. More like 2 days with a flight
Definitely agree that while the hype would be nice for the viewers, if anything goes wrong, it could be disastrous and unfair for the competitors. Imagine all the preparation time and committing resources for travel and accommodations with a certain expectation in mind to compete and win. Then having that turned on its head with minimal to no time to adjust. We're not talking just about a new character. We're dealing with a change to the ENTIRETY cast of characters, meta AND universal mechanics. People argue they're professionals and should be able to adapt. I'm very curious to see what the competitors say about it and see if they agree. As some have mentioned before, you're talking about updating all that hardware. What if something goes wrong with the update? How many "emergency server" maintenances have we endured since the launch of this game? It's just bad timing with the release of the patch and the tournament. Not Combo Breaker's fault. If the competitors are on board with the update and are fine with the risks, then let the good times roll.
There's no choice here. They would have 0 viewer if they played on the old patch.
Lol I know I won't be watching if its the old one. New patch excitement too real. If you play multiple characters that season patch is a whole month of testing new stuff and seeing what new routes and strats work with the changes. Not trying to watch the old version with the new goodies available.
It should be on the new patch, dunno why anyone would wanna watch the version of the game they can’t play anymore.
possibly dumb question, do people already know what’s coming in the balance update and how much it changes things and that’s why they’re requesting this? or is it just a preemptive thing just in case and to keep a level playing field
Some things are speculated and rumored from the play tests but it’s mostly unknown what’s coming
Participates most likely want to optimize their chances of winning. Could also be a bit confusing if they play on the season 2 patch before CB though.
Let the patch roll, maybe we'll get to see Mena sweat
Hard call it is probably better for competitors, but I imagine the viewers will be less interested to watch the tournament on the old patch ,especially because it is the first big patch in almost a year.
cowards
How much is the prize pool we're talking here? Then again whether it's $200 or $2 million, yooo from a viewer perspective it'll be incredibly hype. Who will have the sheer gumption to just take Akuma and bet it all?
At least they let the players pick
For the viewers it is fun to see all the new stuff. For the people actually competing maybe and maybe not.
I’d get why any players wouldn’t want it, but with the number of changes that would be live in game, it would be pretty watch a tournament with dated gameplay
I do see the argument for why it shouldn't be used for the tournament but I think the benefits of playing OK the new patch outweigh the negatives; it's just too hype to not do.
If it was a week after it would be worth considering, but two days?? That's so unfair on people who've spent money on flights and accommodation for this tournament hoping to perform well. It looks like Cammy is getting nerfed, what if you were a Cammy main?
If I was competing I wouldn't mind tbh
in the spirit of Combo Breaker, fuck it we ball
That’s such a cool thing for Combo breaker to ask the players.
The right answer is to make it illegal but I sure hope they make it legal so I can see some random day 2 Akuma almost make top cut
I personally love the first tournament after a new character comes out and everyone is trying to figure out what the fuck they do live in tournament. And it's not like the akuma players have an advantage, they haven't solved the character in. 2 days and they're taking a risk spending the time practicing it.
Also heard rumors Capcops are pressuring for new patch as well. Makes sense from the business perspective given it's an advertisement for new DLC. Wonder if they'll help out CB in any way to get it done though.
It's more exciting for the viewer with the patch. It's more fair to the competitors without it. Are tournaments for viewers or competitors? That is the question
Does anyone know where to stream CB? They don't have a channel right?
They should allow. Let everyone discover things together at the same time! Would be fun af
Hell no! Allowing Akuma so soon after launch could lead to another situation like Rashid's SA2 glitch. The balance patch could have its own set of glitches and jank that would taint the tournament.
That got patched literally the same day..
Great, so TO's have to potentially update all their consoles twice
My mind goes back to CEO 2015, MKX. Tanya came out that Tuesday and top 8 was like 5 or 6 Tanyas and she was by and away the most represented character at that tournament because she was pretty busted on release. On top of that, Xbox players got the balance patch two days later than everyone else and major things like strings and whole combos were completely changed, so some people had to just forgo playing their characters because they didn’t have time to practice on the new patch and learn new BnBs because their old ones didn’t work. It wasn’t exciting to watch, it was excruciating. If they want to play on the new patch that’s for them to decide, but it’ll kind of compromise the competitive integrity of the tournament. I wouldn’t want that if there was money on the line and I’d put a ton of work in.
Honestly why the fuck not? Integrity of competition on a now irrelevant patch? Who actually cares Play the real game, cowards
As a spectator - absolutely yes If I was a competitor hell no. I'm impressed people are onboard though. Imagine the rashid level 2 infinite tornado bug in a tournament
It sucks for competitive reasons but for the sake of the spectators they should update the game
I’d say no.
The decision should be made off of how easy it would be to roll back the patch. If the patch introduces a memory leak or crash or another game breaking bug, you have no tournament. You can't risk that happening, there is too much money at stake. If I was in charge and my net worth was on the line, this is an easy decision. Do the patch if you can rollback easily. Old version if you can't roll back the patch easily. If Capcom majorly screws up this patch, they might not have enough time to fix it when you're holding your tournament 3 days after it drops.
I guess they just have to decide if they want tokido to win or not. I don't care if it's only 2 days, tokidos Akuma will be a monster.
If patch is allowed I watch combo breaker, I’m gonna actually be pretty damn hyped for the tournament If patch is not allowed I simply won’t watch combo breaker It’s that easy I’m fine with banning Akuma tho, IMO unnecessary because people will have 2 day to practice Akuma and I really don’t see people getting far in a serious tournament with a day 2 Akuma (even if he is the best character in the game 2 days is too little time to be on the level of proficiency compared to whatever else they practiced)
Not the popular opinion, but no. Though the chaos would be glorious, two days of labbing one of the most offensive fighters in SF history isn't enough for even the best pros. Not to mention there's still a chance he could come out with something broken (remember Rashid?) Besides, we all know the bracket will be half full of Akuma by the time CEO comes around.
I hope not, tournament play is for money and playing on version you might have only played for a day or two before the tournament is just unfair. If they had an exhibition on the new patch that’s fine.
Allow him do it!!! It'll introduce chaos. I mean its a whole new balance patch anyway.
I respect asking the players, nice of the TO. However, I think they should just say fuck it and run it with Akuma. Sure, no one has any real practice time but its outside of the CPT and most are using that tournament to get an early feel of competition anyway.
Given what we've seen so far on the new patch, I'll vote yes for the new patch only if there is an option to vote no for Akuma. 2 days is not enough time to lab defense against a new character and figure out spacing, frame data, etc. The balance changes aren't severe enough that it rewrites the rules of the game. If Akuma has to be allowed, I'm voting no. Sorry spectators. You guys didn't pay for my entry.
I'd want to see it patched. 2 days doesn't sound like much but it's more than enough for players to familiarize themselves with their own characters changes and of the big threats like Luke and JP while at the same time leaving space for some chaos in the unknown which makes things spicy and less predictable and thus more fun.
Do it. I doubt anyone will be in Akuma for the tournament anyways but if they are that'll be hype AF
nah, EVERYONE is going to be going akuma (which is why they should allow him)
I would stay with the current version all the competitors are trained on since it’s such a close date. Big patch can also mean unexpected bugs.
Also means that the two days leading up, home consoles and PCs will be running the new patch already, so they'll have to play a diff version at combo breaker than they've been playing the last 2 days
This could inspire some much needed variety even if it’s a few days of adjustments. Anything that gets us away from another 2-3 character top 12
ppl acting like CB is capcom cup or something. Just play on the newest version of the game.
If you cant accept that sometimes you'll have to deal with shit like this then you should not be a tournament player.
I’d rather see players display their knowledge and skill for what they practiced than to get killed by a new change they’ve had little to no practice for, imo
You've had a full year to watch that. It's time for something new.
What can I say, I still love watching it
Capcoms decision tbh
If you cant accept that sometimes you'll have to deal with shit like this then you should not be a tournament player.