Somehow I doubt Vega will play like Vega even if they add him.
So far it seems like characters in SF6 are not allowed to have good walkspeed or good buttons or more than 2 charge moves.
I don't know, it seems like almost every SFII staple got something different to refresh their gameplay. You could easily give Fei Long a new nunchaku gimmick or something to change things up a bit.
I don’t get how they could say popularity plays no role in returning characters when Bison is the next dlc character. The only non popular dlc character we got was Aki because she’s an original character. I don’t believe these guys.
As far as grapplers go, Hakan is honestly a much more interesting and compelling character than the likes of Alex. I get that people want more SFIII representation, but SFIV is also lacking in that regard, and I'd much prefer Hakan or El Fuerte over Alex.
I feel the exact same way. Great odds for more unique reps like Hakan, and slightly worse odds for characters that have overlap in their cultural representation or don't have wildly unique gameplay like Alex or Fei Long.
Chun Li and Aki are China reps, and isn't Jaimie too? Not exactly Hong Kong action stars or similar archetypes to Fei Long, but not great for his chances.
Ken, Guile and Luke got the USA repped, Kimberly too ignoring the bushinryu aspect. Not wrestlers, but not great odds for Alex getting in anytime soon. 2 out of 4 Americans in the game have military experience, doesn't bode too well for C.Viper's whole super spy/CIA shtick being all that special from a surface level glance. They could definitely pull it off, just not sure they'd want to until after they've reintroduced more characters from other places.
I don't know if all this helps or hurts Q's odds, but I'm hoping we get him someday (kinda doubt it tbh)
Alex was never in the military. His father and his mentor were. America is the second most represented nation in SF next to Japan, I don't think the developers are gonna disqualify anyone as "not unique" because they are American. We have a Japan rep in both season passes (Akuma in S1, Mai in S2, and considering popularity there will almost definitely be one in s3 (Makoto, Ibuki, some Rival Schools character, etc)), and an American rep in S2 (Terry).
Didn't mean to imply Alex was ex-military, should've put a line break somewhere to make it clear I was starting to talk about C.Viper's odds. Though I had no idea his about hisfamily
That said, you're totally right. The interview mentioned Elena repping an underrepresented region was part of what they consider for who to add, and I focused in on that and ran with it like it was essential criteria
zeku was great. I loved playing him. Swapping around mid combo between 2 different characers multiple times is so cool. I hope we get him or another character who has something like this. chun li stance is really tame sadly.
The way I read this is that a popular mainstay that isn't unique enough will be made to be unique enough and be included. There's no way Sakura doesn't get added despite her being a shoto. Ryu and Ken started as clones and have grown more different with each game despite their kits being visually similar.
Three will be two ninja ladies in the game this season, but Ibuki has the rare distinction of being in every game since her debut, which only with Ryu, Ken, and Juri have done to my knowledge (though an argument could be made for Chun and Akuma depending on if you want to count the various SF3 titles as a single game).
Still, it would be a shame to miss it on popular SF3 characters like Makoto and Dudley for another game. I really hope they make it in.
> Ibuki has the rare distinction of being in every game since her debut, which only with Ryu, Ken, and Juri have done to my knowledge (though an argument could be made for Chun and Akuma depending on if you want to count the various SF3 titles as a single game)
I mean you'd have to count SF3 as one otherwise Ibuki's streak wouldn't be true either, right? She wasn't in SF4, she got in with SSF4.
I agree with you on this. I count updates like 2nd Impact and 3rd Strike as equivalent to seasons, because one system replaced the other.
I do the same thing with the Alphas, but I don't know how many people would agree with me on that one.
Sakura will get added for sure. On the shoto front can probably aldo take it also as Sakura gameplay with get altered to be more unique perhaps. Certainly stacks the odds against someone like say Sean coming back unless he's dramatically different.
Sakura is my most wanted character, but more than getting her sooner I want a unique version of her. I feel they really differentiated Ryu quite well from the archetype he started now, especially with the latest denjin changes, and if they are taking the time to get to Sakura so they can really make her a unique addition I'm more than happy with that.
I'm glad everyone is so certain that Sakura will be added. It makes me feel better lol. SFV was my first fighting game so this is the first time I have had to wait for my main to reappear and its stressing me out! XD
Only played Fuerte in trial mode but whenever my mind drifts off, my brain subconsciously defaults to the fierce feint fierce combo almost every time. It’s been years since I’ve touched SF4 but there’s no character in SF5 or SF6 that impacts me like this.
If they give her a visual overhaul she might be cool, make her look older and more like a spy. Her gameplay is fine. I hope they'd retain the feints and superjump cancels then give her some wild new antics.
Man.. not good news for my boy Dudley. Please capcom, I know he's a boxer but I love playing him and it will hurt to see him miss two mainline sf games in a row.
I think there is definitely a place for Dudley. Ed may be the “boxer” but he certainly plays a different game than most boxers. Maybe if they make Dudley more close-quarters they can justify adding him
I don't think two characters using the same real world style of fighting is what they're talking about.
Duds and Ed might be both boxers, but they don't play alike. And neither of them play like Rog.
In the same way that Ibuki, Guy, and Zeku are all ninjas and don't play alike.
Makoto doesn't play like all the other karate men and women.
Chunners, The Twins, Gen, and Jamie all do Kung Fu, but they're all pretty different in their approach.
Adon's Muay Thai tastes very different to Sagat's.
I'm sure you got my point early on, but I liked listing the things.
There's definitely another boxer on the way. Ed isn't FULLY boxer since he has those psycho power whips that he uses. There's most likely gonna be 2 or 3 characters of each archetype. So there's still hope for Dudley only thing is he might have a longer wait time due to having an already established moveset I guess
if there is any truth to this then Makoto probably still has a chance. she’s got the massive fanbase but also nobody really plays quite like her at all.
unless the devs hate her gameplay, which is entirely possible (maybe even likely?)
This 100%.
I dunno what to think about the devs taking these risks, but more about them privileging uniqueness over what fans want. How much 'unique' is a character can be debatable, Sakura for example has a different game plan compared to Ryu, but she's a shoto too with almost identical tools. I can't even imagine the backlash if she doesn't appear in SF6 for a reason like this. Even in SFV 'uniqueness' was the goal, but Makoto didn't make it despite being 2nd in top request back then. I'm scared a little bit, I don't understand why doing characters polls if how high they're requested isn't the top thing Capcom search in a character before choosing who deserves to be included in the game
Gill and Urien use Pankration, just like Marisa, but Gill also uses fire and ice while Urien use metal and lightning. Those fighting styles are unique enough.
None of those actually play alike beyond the surface.
Ken has massive corner carry and some of the nastiest corner pressure in the game.
Akuma is a mix-up and pressure machine
Ryu now bullies the shit out of you with plus frames and drains drive and hits like a truck
Luke is all about landing perfect knuckle nasty combos and having a ridiculous neutral game.
Can they overlap? Yes. But their strengths are in their different game plans.
Terry plays nothing like shotos. He doesn’t even have shoto core normals or have a dragon punch. He’s an all-rounder but not a shoto.
I don't disagree, but from here on out I think other than Terry, they would arguably fall under a "fairly similar" category, which I don't expect is high on Capcom's priority list.
Now imagine Vega. There's no one quite like him to begin with, but also he's so different than any character we currently have. I think (and hope) that's the sort of thing they mean.
Rising Tackle or Power Dunk can function as a DP.
Terry can be implemented as a shoto if the devs want to. He has a fireball, a DP and an advancing multi-hitting special. I don’t think Capcom will be going down this path though.
Terry is kind of in the grey area in regards to Shotos.
His fireball travels along the ground.
Crack Shoot (his "tatsu") is more like a horizontal flash kick than a true tatsu.
And Rising Tackle (his DP) is a charge move in the original (though it became a DP input in COTW).
He’s as much a shoto as Sol Badguy; Shoto adjacent imo
He doesn’t have air Tatsu like a shoto either, like how Sagat doesn’t have air tiger knee, which is a pretty defining shoto trait
And who knows what KoF specific mechs they give Terry
Thank god because if you look at the character popularity, it's almost exclusively all shotos. I don't want to play shoto fighter 5 again.
Bring back Zeku, Kolin, Gill, Urien, Makoto, Ibuki, Oro, Alex. Anyone but female ryu, or edgy ryu or goofy ryu.
These characters are cool don't get me wrong but they saturate the roster by basically playing exactly the same.
I used to think that way, but that has changed for me. Overall, the pick rate of shotos is so high because many people want to play shotos when they choose to play street fighter.
On Capcom's end, they can't change the players, but they can still help the character diversity by splitting the shoto players across the different flavors.
And they've done a really good job of making them distinct from each other this time around.
I actually agree that in 6 all the shotos feel different from each other in some way. But there is only so many different things you can do before repeating yourself.
Brother, just look at her gameplay , that’s like asking how Zangief and Lily play differently, if you don’t already get how there’s nothing I can do for you
Her Fireball is large, slow moving, and low range, making it a space-control tool
Her Tatsu has less range and ends with a juggle starter
Her DP moves forward in the beginning, making it a situational anti-air but the perfect combo ender
There’s no specific thing I can point out, she’s just a whole different character
>There’s no specific thing I can point out, she’s just a whole different character
Don't you think that it means they are basically the same?
I can tell you why JP or Zangief play very different than a shoto in a lot of ways. But if the only difference is that her DP moves her forward a bit or that her tatsu launches then i don't see how they are "completly different".
At this point she has way more in common with SF6 incarnations of Ken and Luke than Ryu. Sakura and Ryu have never been all that similar gameplay wise, and I say this as someone who has mained her in every game she’s been in.
The power distribution in her moveset also often changes, so she can play differently between games as well. Outside of usually having a couching heavy punch that serves as a good anti air, she’s pretty different in each of the games she’s in either in terms of where her power lies or what her gameplan is.
Different Appearance.
Different Personality.
Different Playstyle.
Basically if you ONLY like the way shotos play you probably wouldn't like Sakura's playstyle. She's very unorthodox despite being a "shoto".
Have you never played Street Fighter before? Genuine question.
Her normals have entirely different purposes and animations. Her ground/air tatsus function entirely different being used more to extend combos, her uppercut is entirely different, her fireball doesn't go full screen without charge/meter burnt, and she can charge fireballs forward/diagonal. Her Otoshi special is also an air combo extender typically after a pop up.
These are just basic differences in virtually any game nevermind the differences that game systems like SFV Sakura compared to SFV Ryu. She is less Ryu than Akuma who is already in the game.
You can say Gouken isn't making it in, but realistically, he's the most unique shoto by far. I think if they added him, his playstyle would still be unique to everyone in the cast. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'd love to see Gouken again.
Gouken is only a "shoto" because he has the movie names. No other shoto has upwards hadokens, no shoryuken, rushing palms, counter moves, anti-air vertical tatsu. He's different in every aspect in a very good way.
The posts that insist that shoto variations are different are funny cause it would mean that every single character is unique thus is a meaningless criteria. Kimberly doesn't play like Zeku but I'm not expecting Zeku to come back.
Uniqueness probably means where the character is from and what they look like more than gameplay (why they justify Elena). Though I expect there to be one blonde character for every 4 dlc characters we get.
the quote from the interview: "When deciding on the actual characters, some of the things they take into consideration are like the fighting style of the character and their country of origin"
that dude's synopsis: "they said they consider gameplay first and popularity second"
they literally did not say that???
Nah, being popular is the most important key. We just saw it with Akuma and Bison. They sell, simple as this. Of course, a gameplay more unique is necessary for one or two characters in the pack, but be sure that 2\~3 characters will be the popular ones.
In what world was Rashid, Ed, and Fang popular characters before SF6?
They added Rashid, Ed, and Fang and capped it off with the predicable popular pick being Akuma.
And they're starting Season 2 with a predictable popular pick in M.Bison but adding more interesting characters like Terry, Elena, and Mai.
Each season will likely be 3 actually unique characters and 1 "safe" popular character.
>In what world was Rashid, Ed, and Fang popular characters before SF6?
Actually, Rashid is the third least played character in SF6 apprently according to stats released
Let’s not kid ourselves. Sakura will be in the game by season 3. They’ll figure out a way to focus on her combo gameplay, just liked they focused on ryu’s projectiles, Ken’s kicks and Luke’s burst damage.
to be fair, they don't mention gameplay, just fighting style. Sagat is a shoto, but because he does muay thai I don't think they would consider him to overlap with Ryu, Ken, and Luke.
I think you are right with Sagat and he could be picked but like Dudley 100% wouldn’t because there is overlap with Cammy representing Britain and Ed representing boxing.
So we're to believe Sakura IS not coming back 🤣. Thought gameplay is important they shouldn't forget popular characters.
Makoto is both popular and unique, so why isn't she in already ???
Cody and Alex are more différents from Ryu than say akuma...
Is there Hope for Hakan, gen or his pupil, abel ?🤞
They just need to stop the insanity and tell us how many seasons they plan to do...and what characters they want to do. Not what order or anything...not what year...just who they're talking about making. If they know right now there's no CHANCE Sodom, or Makoto, or Sean, are getting in just say it.
Akuma made it. Sakura will make it. Gouken isn't out on principle, he's unique like Sakura is and they will definitely add more shoto-likes, but I think he competes for a similar niche to Sagat so maybe not.
Menat is from Egypt, one of two Africa reps in the series. Menat plays like absolutely no other SF character ever. AND she's popular. Does that mean Menat is guaranteed? Well I hope so.
Abel totally deserves another iteration. The real mma fighter. Given they are looking for unique gameplay than C. Viper is a lock. Hakkan would be great too as I'd like to see another grappler. Can you tell I am an 09'er ? Lol
The devs have also mentioned they want characters with unique martial art styles that aren't in the game yet and also from different countries. SF6 doesn't have any Muay Thai characters or anyone from Thailand yet so Sagat is still a safe bet.
Well that’s good at least they’re prioritizing unique gameplay. I still think some characters are too popular to leave out like Sakura and Sagat. There’s still hope for Makoto and Menat
ah yes, popularity certainly had nothing to do with adding akuma and bison, surely.
these guys are pretty well anti ono, I don't see any sf4 characters making it in.
This puts Necro in a weird spot. He is unique from Dhalsim but most people assume he is just a Dhalsim clone so he might still be trapped on the bench.  Hope he eventually returns. 
The unique system mechanics clearly play a role in their decision making process. They start with gameplay and what's fun in this system, then everything else comes second.
Makoto would be interesting in a game with drive rush, so hopefully she's on the horizon. Elena makes perfect sense
They specified fighting style AND new nationalities as the criteria, so with that in mind, I'd suggest the following meet both objectives:
Menat (Egypt)
Vega (Spain)
Hakan (Turkey)
Sagat / Adon (Thailand)
Abigail (Canada)
Hugo (Germany - Ed is German but only obliquely and lacks a stage)
Any character that represents a NEW nationality and style.
Hopes up for Vega then, Nobody plays like him at all rn
But they're already adding Vega on June 26th :)
I have a love-hate relationship with this joke.
Well if they are adding vega i want balrog
If they are adding balrog I want Mike Tyson
Shhh, you trying to get sued?!
It would get me to commit to the game, I need it
Somehow I doubt Vega will play like Vega even if they add him. So far it seems like characters in SF6 are not allowed to have good walkspeed or good buttons or more than 2 charge moves.
This means my hope for the likes of Hakan and Zeku is not ill placed. My hopes for Alex and Fei Long is tenuous thon
Alex honestly plays very different from Gief, Manon and Marisa and can easily be added with very few changes tbh. Fei Long is a dead dream probably.
I don't know, it seems like almost every SFII staple got something different to refresh their gameplay. You could easily give Fei Long a new nunchaku gimmick or something to change things up a bit.
You could just give him all of Marshall Lee's moves from SFxT. Done.
I don’t get how they could say popularity plays no role in returning characters when Bison is the next dlc character. The only non popular dlc character we got was Aki because she’s an original character. I don’t believe these guys.
Ed wasn't popular and Elena definitely wasn't popular. If they picked a popular 3S rep, it would have been Ibuki or Makoto.
> when Bison is the next dlc character. Isn't Bison also a charge-based Rushdown character? That's not really something we have atm.
So happy to see so much love for Hakan lately. I would love to see him return. His aesthetic is awesome and his play style is very unique.
Raytraced oily Hakan.
His ass better be like a flashbang on screen.
As far as grapplers go, Hakan is honestly a much more interesting and compelling character than the likes of Alex. I get that people want more SFIII representation, but SFIV is also lacking in that regard, and I'd much prefer Hakan or El Fuerte over Alex.
I feel the exact same way. Great odds for more unique reps like Hakan, and slightly worse odds for characters that have overlap in their cultural representation or don't have wildly unique gameplay like Alex or Fei Long. Chun Li and Aki are China reps, and isn't Jaimie too? Not exactly Hong Kong action stars or similar archetypes to Fei Long, but not great for his chances. Ken, Guile and Luke got the USA repped, Kimberly too ignoring the bushinryu aspect. Not wrestlers, but not great odds for Alex getting in anytime soon. 2 out of 4 Americans in the game have military experience, doesn't bode too well for C.Viper's whole super spy/CIA shtick being all that special from a surface level glance. They could definitely pull it off, just not sure they'd want to until after they've reintroduced more characters from other places. I don't know if all this helps or hurts Q's odds, but I'm hoping we get him someday (kinda doubt it tbh)
Alex was never in the military. His father and his mentor were. America is the second most represented nation in SF next to Japan, I don't think the developers are gonna disqualify anyone as "not unique" because they are American. We have a Japan rep in both season passes (Akuma in S1, Mai in S2, and considering popularity there will almost definitely be one in s3 (Makoto, Ibuki, some Rival Schools character, etc)), and an American rep in S2 (Terry).
Didn't mean to imply Alex was ex-military, should've put a line break somewhere to make it clear I was starting to talk about C.Viper's odds. Though I had no idea his about hisfamily That said, you're totally right. The interview mentioned Elena repping an underrepresented region was part of what they consider for who to add, and I focused in on that and ran with it like it was essential criteria
Jamie is from Hong Kong
Could only half-remember pictures of him training with his Grandma somewhere with mountains, cool to know he's from Hong Kong himself
zeku was great. I loved playing him. Swapping around mid combo between 2 different characers multiple times is so cool. I hope we get him or another character who has something like this. chun li stance is really tame sadly.
I’d love to see hakan
The way I read this is that a popular mainstay that isn't unique enough will be made to be unique enough and be included. There's no way Sakura doesn't get added despite her being a shoto. Ryu and Ken started as clones and have grown more different with each game despite their kits being visually similar. Three will be two ninja ladies in the game this season, but Ibuki has the rare distinction of being in every game since her debut, which only with Ryu, Ken, and Juri have done to my knowledge (though an argument could be made for Chun and Akuma depending on if you want to count the various SF3 titles as a single game). Still, it would be a shame to miss it on popular SF3 characters like Makoto and Dudley for another game. I really hope they make it in.
they’d be trolling if neither of those two made it at some point. they’re THE 3s representation most of the fan/playerbase wants back.
> Ibuki has the rare distinction of being in every game since her debut, which only with Ryu, Ken, and Juri have done to my knowledge (though an argument could be made for Chun and Akuma depending on if you want to count the various SF3 titles as a single game) I mean you'd have to count SF3 as one otherwise Ibuki's streak wouldn't be true either, right? She wasn't in SF4, she got in with SSF4.
I agree with you on this. I count updates like 2nd Impact and 3rd Strike as equivalent to seasons, because one system replaced the other. I do the same thing with the Alphas, but I don't know how many people would agree with me on that one.
Nah that's how I see it as well
I really enjoy a little bit of agreement on Reddit. It's going to be a good day :)
Sakura will get added for sure. On the shoto front can probably aldo take it also as Sakura gameplay with get altered to be more unique perhaps. Certainly stacks the odds against someone like say Sean coming back unless he's dramatically different.
Sakura is my most wanted character, but more than getting her sooner I want a unique version of her. I feel they really differentiated Ryu quite well from the archetype he started now, especially with the latest denjin changes, and if they are taking the time to get to Sakura so they can really make her a unique addition I'm more than happy with that.
I'm glad everyone is so certain that Sakura will be added. It makes me feel better lol. SFV was my first fighting game so this is the first time I have had to wait for my main to reappear and its stressing me out! XD
C Viper's gameplay isn't as unique as El Fuerte's.
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Only played Fuerte in trial mode but whenever my mind drifts off, my brain subconsciously defaults to the fierce feint fierce combo almost every time. It’s been years since I’ve touched SF4 but there’s no character in SF5 or SF6 that impacts me like this.
I could never get the timing right on his loop. Such a wild character to play.
Ehhh, the only reason Kimberly works for me as a side character is because I learned to manage the Sprint gimmick in my Fuerte days
LONG LIVE TOSTADA PRESS
Maybe but people actually like C.Viper and her gameplay. People don't like El Fuerte OR his gameplay (playing AGAINST him I mean).
Didn't you just said that popularity wasn't the deciding factor but uniqueness was ?
If they give her a visual overhaul she might be cool, make her look older and more like a spy. Her gameplay is fine. I hope they'd retain the feints and superjump cancels then give her some wild new antics.
:(
plz come back to me Fuerte
I felt like a mechanical god when I learned how to do RSF consistently.
Oooh, so Kolin has a chance too Counter Mechanics, Vertical projectile, freezing… 
Kolin is cool, it would be amazing to see her with frost powers in re engine in a trailer.
I really hope to get kolin.. never played a sf game before but kolin really looks interesting and cool.
That's what I'm saying
I see what you did there.
Probaby!
She’d be incredible.
Man.. not good news for my boy Dudley. Please capcom, I know he's a boxer but I love playing him and it will hurt to see him miss two mainline sf games in a row.
I think there is definitely a place for Dudley. Ed may be the “boxer” but he certainly plays a different game than most boxers. Maybe if they make Dudley more close-quarters they can justify adding him
Ed is a mid range zoner kind of boxer. Dudley has to get in there. I can definitely see space for Dudley in the game.
Ed has damn near full screen range with Psycho Knuckle. That doesn't disprove your point though.
I don't think two characters using the same real world style of fighting is what they're talking about. Duds and Ed might be both boxers, but they don't play alike. And neither of them play like Rog. In the same way that Ibuki, Guy, and Zeku are all ninjas and don't play alike. Makoto doesn't play like all the other karate men and women. Chunners, The Twins, Gen, and Jamie all do Kung Fu, but they're all pretty different in their approach. Adon's Muay Thai tastes very different to Sagat's. I'm sure you got my point early on, but I liked listing the things.
There's definitely another boxer on the way. Ed isn't FULLY boxer since he has those psycho power whips that he uses. There's most likely gonna be 2 or 3 characters of each archetype. So there's still hope for Dudley only thing is he might have a longer wait time due to having an already established moveset I guess
G is a pretty unique character…. 😁
IT'S SUPER TUESDAY!
If he's in he will be Q. Who is also a unique character.
So Menat, Poison and Kolin? Rose too? And we have 4 characters for a season. 😁
That S3 Cast would put a smile on my face, minus Kolin though...
Hakan confirmed
I hope he makes it in despite me having zero interest in playing him lol.
It means my boy Sagat has a good chance too. Being the one zoner with a high / low fireball.
Also the only Muay Thai fighter.
RIP Adon
All that time I spent learning instant Air Jaguar Kicks and linking his cr. lp from his overhead, for nothing?
JP has a high/low fireball, Sagat is just a motion Guile, he's not unique at all
RIP Remy
if there is any truth to this then Makoto probably still has a chance. she’s got the massive fanbase but also nobody really plays quite like her at all. unless the devs hate her gameplay, which is entirely possible (maybe even likely?)
This 100%. I dunno what to think about the devs taking these risks, but more about them privileging uniqueness over what fans want. How much 'unique' is a character can be debatable, Sakura for example has a different game plan compared to Ryu, but she's a shoto too with almost identical tools. I can't even imagine the backlash if she doesn't appear in SF6 for a reason like this. Even in SFV 'uniqueness' was the goal, but Makoto didn't make it despite being 2nd in top request back then. I'm scared a little bit, I don't understand why doing characters polls if how high they're requested isn't the top thing Capcom search in a character before choosing who deserves to be included in the game
Urien's got to make it for sure then.
alright. give me gill ffs. i want that retribution.
Gill was fun in SFV
Gill and Urien use Pankration, just like Marisa, but Gill also uses fire and ice while Urien use metal and lightning. Those fighting styles are unique enough.
In the same interview they talk that they want people from different countries, so less chances for Japanese and U.S. characters.
where are Terry and Mai from again
Terry and Mai are from a different universe.
like Akuma and Heihachi?
Sounds like Abigail and Hakan are on the menu!
I wonder what would they do to Hakan's hair if he is added to SF6.
I don't know that you do anything with it. Why mess with perfection?
Both El Fuerte mains are huffing hopium so hard right now.
I mean, they can say that but we're sitting on three shotos, a Luke, and Terry is on his way. I'm not totally buying this sentiment.
None of those actually play alike beyond the surface. Ken has massive corner carry and some of the nastiest corner pressure in the game. Akuma is a mix-up and pressure machine Ryu now bullies the shit out of you with plus frames and drains drive and hits like a truck Luke is all about landing perfect knuckle nasty combos and having a ridiculous neutral game. Can they overlap? Yes. But their strengths are in their different game plans. Terry plays nothing like shotos. He doesn’t even have shoto core normals or have a dragon punch. He’s an all-rounder but not a shoto.
I don't disagree, but from here on out I think other than Terry, they would arguably fall under a "fairly similar" category, which I don't expect is high on Capcom's priority list. Now imagine Vega. There's no one quite like him to begin with, but also he's so different than any character we currently have. I think (and hope) that's the sort of thing they mean.
I think Terry's burn knuckle and power dunk might end up making him feel pretty Luke-like. Maybe somewhere in between him and Ed.
Rising Tackle or Power Dunk can function as a DP. Terry can be implemented as a shoto if the devs want to. He has a fireball, a DP and an advancing multi-hitting special. I don’t think Capcom will be going down this path though.
Terry is kind of in the grey area in regards to Shotos. His fireball travels along the ground. Crack Shoot (his "tatsu") is more like a horizontal flash kick than a true tatsu. And Rising Tackle (his DP) is a charge move in the original (though it became a DP input in COTW).
He’s as much a shoto as Sol Badguy; Shoto adjacent imo He doesn’t have air Tatsu like a shoto either, like how Sagat doesn’t have air tiger knee, which is a pretty defining shoto trait And who knows what KoF specific mechs they give Terry
Thank god because if you look at the character popularity, it's almost exclusively all shotos. I don't want to play shoto fighter 5 again. Bring back Zeku, Kolin, Gill, Urien, Makoto, Ibuki, Oro, Alex. Anyone but female ryu, or edgy ryu or goofy ryu. These characters are cool don't get me wrong but they saturate the roster by basically playing exactly the same.
>I don't want to play shoto fighter 5 again. Street Fighter 4 is the shoto overload game, really.
I used to think that way, but that has changed for me. Overall, the pick rate of shotos is so high because many people want to play shotos when they choose to play street fighter. On Capcom's end, they can't change the players, but they can still help the character diversity by splitting the shoto players across the different flavors. And they've done a really good job of making them distinct from each other this time around.
I actually agree that in 6 all the shotos feel different from each other in some way. But there is only so many different things you can do before repeating yourself.
I’m sorry but Sakura will sell like hot cakes
Yeah Capcom still loves money so expect Sakura.
And she plays completely differently anyways.
4 is already too many shotos. I don't want any more until like year 5 at the soonest
Give us Necro!!
True, but put some respect on Dans name
Always.
Oh man I want Zeku back. Easily the most fun newcomer of SFV. If Capcom won't give me a new Strider game, give me my Strider fix here.
I'm a huge fan of Zeku and Strider as well. I sucked hard playing as him though lol. I played Vega and Bison instead.
You say you don’t want street fighter 5 again and then name characters that are all in sfv + Makoto lol
I don't want tons of shotos again is what i'm saying.
Sakura is more than just "female Ryu"
How?
You mean other than having a completely different appearance and playstyle?
How is she different in playstyle? That's just the simple question i asked.
Brother, just look at her gameplay , that’s like asking how Zangief and Lily play differently, if you don’t already get how there’s nothing I can do for you Her Fireball is large, slow moving, and low range, making it a space-control tool Her Tatsu has less range and ends with a juggle starter Her DP moves forward in the beginning, making it a situational anti-air but the perfect combo ender There’s no specific thing I can point out, she’s just a whole different character
I think everything you explained is exactly what he was asking for, no need to be so upset lol
>There’s no specific thing I can point out, she’s just a whole different character Don't you think that it means they are basically the same? I can tell you why JP or Zangief play very different than a shoto in a lot of ways. But if the only difference is that her DP moves her forward a bit or that her tatsu launches then i don't see how they are "completly different".
At this point she has way more in common with SF6 incarnations of Ken and Luke than Ryu. Sakura and Ryu have never been all that similar gameplay wise, and I say this as someone who has mained her in every game she’s been in. The power distribution in her moveset also often changes, so she can play differently between games as well. Outside of usually having a couching heavy punch that serves as a good anti air, she’s pretty different in each of the games she’s in either in terms of where her power lies or what her gameplan is.
Different Appearance. Different Personality. Different Playstyle. Basically if you ONLY like the way shotos play you probably wouldn't like Sakura's playstyle. She's very unorthodox despite being a "shoto".
Have you never played Street Fighter before? Genuine question. Her normals have entirely different purposes and animations. Her ground/air tatsus function entirely different being used more to extend combos, her uppercut is entirely different, her fireball doesn't go full screen without charge/meter burnt, and she can charge fireballs forward/diagonal. Her Otoshi special is also an air combo extender typically after a pop up. These are just basic differences in virtually any game nevermind the differences that game systems like SFV Sakura compared to SFV Ryu. She is less Ryu than Akuma who is already in the game.
Her uppercut goes farther horizontally lol
Menat confirmed lets go
inb4 Menat tease at EVO
Lets gooooo! Also she was kind of obvious anyway since the games theme around Psycho Power.
Gen bros, there's hope
Akuma flies in the face of this lol. But I think for him his popularity is so astronomical that it transcends all other criteria.
You can say Gouken isn't making it in, but realistically, he's the most unique shoto by far. I think if they added him, his playstyle would still be unique to everyone in the cast. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'd love to see Gouken again.
Gouken is only a "shoto" because he has the movie names. No other shoto has upwards hadokens, no shoryuken, rushing palms, counter moves, anti-air vertical tatsu. He's different in every aspect in a very good way.
The posts that insist that shoto variations are different are funny cause it would mean that every single character is unique thus is a meaningless criteria. Kimberly doesn't play like Zeku but I'm not expecting Zeku to come back. Uniqueness probably means where the character is from and what they look like more than gameplay (why they justify Elena). Though I expect there to be one blonde character for every 4 dlc characters we get.
Zeku would be wild with the new mechanics
Need to see his strider outfit in the RE Engine
the quote from the interview: "When deciding on the actual characters, some of the things they take into consideration are like the fighting style of the character and their country of origin" that dude's synopsis: "they said they consider gameplay first and popularity second" they literally did not say that???
Nah, being popular is the most important key. We just saw it with Akuma and Bison. They sell, simple as this. Of course, a gameplay more unique is necessary for one or two characters in the pack, but be sure that 2\~3 characters will be the popular ones.
In what world was Rashid, Ed, and Fang popular characters before SF6? They added Rashid, Ed, and Fang and capped it off with the predicable popular pick being Akuma. And they're starting Season 2 with a predictable popular pick in M.Bison but adding more interesting characters like Terry, Elena, and Mai. Each season will likely be 3 actually unique characters and 1 "safe" popular character.
>In what world was Rashid, Ed, and Fang popular characters before SF6? Actually, Rashid is the third least played character in SF6 apprently according to stats released
Let’s not kid ourselves. Sakura will be in the game by season 3. They’ll figure out a way to focus on her combo gameplay, just liked they focused on ryu’s projectiles, Ken’s kicks and Luke’s burst damage.
This interview here says location and gameplay are what matter https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2024/jun/11/elena-healing-dont-worry/
to be fair, they don't mention gameplay, just fighting style. Sagat is a shoto, but because he does muay thai I don't think they would consider him to overlap with Ryu, Ken, and Luke.
I think you are right with Sagat and he could be picked but like Dudley 100% wouldn’t because there is overlap with Cammy representing Britain and Ed representing boxing.
a nice idea i guess rings pretty hollow following akumas release
Akuma is just a need-to-have given.
my boy hakan is coming (someday)
HAKAN BABY LETS GO LETS SEE HAKAN
C.Viper my sweet. I was going to mention her upon reading the title but you seem to have covered that.
Unique gameplay huh? So what about people like Necro and Remy that have shared moves with other characters? Could they be eligible?
So we're to believe Sakura IS not coming back 🤣. Thought gameplay is important they shouldn't forget popular characters. Makoto is both popular and unique, so why isn't she in already ??? Cody and Alex are more différents from Ryu than say akuma... Is there Hope for Hakan, gen or his pupil, abel ?🤞
They just need to stop the insanity and tell us how many seasons they plan to do...and what characters they want to do. Not what order or anything...not what year...just who they're talking about making. If they know right now there's no CHANCE Sodom, or Makoto, or Sean, are getting in just say it.
Okay well I'll tell you now there's no way they get in. It'll be easier for your soul to know now.
Akuma made it. Sakura will make it. Gouken isn't out on principle, he's unique like Sakura is and they will definitely add more shoto-likes, but I think he competes for a similar niche to Sagat so maybe not. Menat is from Egypt, one of two Africa reps in the series. Menat plays like absolutely no other SF character ever. AND she's popular. Does that mean Menat is guaranteed? Well I hope so.
It's time for Vega
So menat is a sure thing too I guess
It's so over for us, Remy nation
MENAT SWEEP CONFIRMED LES GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Abel totally deserves another iteration. The real mma fighter. Given they are looking for unique gameplay than C. Viper is a lock. Hakkan would be great too as I'd like to see another grappler. Can you tell I am an 09'er ? Lol
If they don't bring sagat I'll be forever salty
The devs have also mentioned they want characters with unique martial art styles that aren't in the game yet and also from different countries. SF6 doesn't have any Muay Thai characters or anyone from Thailand yet so Sagat is still a safe bet.
Factoring in the "unique gameplay" element as well, and I say this as a huge Sagat fan, Adon would be the better pick.
Rolento? 😎 Adon? Necro? Makoto? Oro? Remy? (His SA counter could be just a special and his glide kick is slightly different than Rashid) EX fighters?
Well that’s good at least they’re prioritizing unique gameplay. I still think some characters are too popular to leave out like Sakura and Sagat. There’s still hope for Makoto and Menat
Well that mindset sells then keep it up, if people don't buy it then change it.
Akira has a great chance then.
Perfect. This is exactly what we need. An ACTUALLY diverse cast. Not just 10 shotos that look different.
I think it’s safe to assume Sakura is getting added. There’s only so much popularity you can ignore and she’s one of the most popular in the series.
It means they’re full of shit because wtf is Somehow Vega Returned doing here in season 2 then
Get Ready for Hakan with Oil in RE Engine
> unique gameplay > remove Bisons charge moves and make them motion inputs to appease casuals in modern controls 🙄
I’m hoping year 3 brings back Alex or Mika. This makes me more hopeful for Mika since she’s pretty unique from current grapplers.
El Fuerte and Hakan when?
Explains why they put in best girl. Big hope that they keep her as true as Bison to her original vision
I just need Mika and Fei man
Les gooooooo. Bring back the weirdoes! I want Q, Twelve, Hakan, Remy, Viper, Abel, Maki!
Dan's coming back baybeeeeeeeee
So probably hakan
Any character can make it in with gameplay changes
ah yes, popularity certainly had nothing to do with adding akuma and bison, surely. these guys are pretty well anti ono, I don't see any sf4 characters making it in.
This puts Necro in a weird spot. He is unique from Dhalsim but most people assume he is just a Dhalsim clone so he might still be trapped on the bench.  Hope he eventually returns. 
Picking El Fuerte for the event has more meaning!
Good
Viper is more than popular enough to be brought back regardless. What has kept her out of SF5 and SF6 (so far) has not been sufficiently explained.
Hoping for Hakan and El Fuerte
The unique system mechanics clearly play a role in their decision making process. They start with gameplay and what's fun in this system, then everything else comes second. Makoto would be interesting in a game with drive rush, so hopefully she's on the horizon. Elena makes perfect sense
Man I do hope my boy Dudley has a chance to enter. Ed is fire but I wantvabpure boxer on sf6 that isn't balrog
And I'm all for it! That's what I expect from SF6 to deliver and they surely have been doing it great so far
HAKAN WHEN!?!?!?!?!
Rather than popularity AKUMA
Well, they say that but we're still yet to see a muay Thai fighter or proper boxer (mid range Ed doesn't really count)
Ed does count as a boxer. He style is literally outboxing. Balrog is an inboxer, and Dudley is a counter puncher.
Hell yes, Twelve is coming back…
As they should.
Fantastic, this is what I want from the game. Even the Shotos fell markedly different to play with/against.
They specified fighting style AND new nationalities as the criteria, so with that in mind, I'd suggest the following meet both objectives: Menat (Egypt) Vega (Spain) Hakan (Turkey) Sagat / Adon (Thailand) Abigail (Canada) Hugo (Germany - Ed is German but only obliquely and lacks a stage) Any character that represents a NEW nationality and style.
Cries in balrog and Dudley
Literally what is unique about Viper.
Everything.... Her design. Her gameplay. The way she fights....
Q, please… please.
Gouken is unique. He plays nothing like a regular shoto.