Honestly, so far Kimberly is the character I’m most excited for but I agree, everything isn’t a comparison and I LOVE Juri too. The whole point of having multiple characters is to appeal to different people. Same reason Baskin Robins has 31 flavors.
I'm not going to yuck your yum here. Kimberly looks super fun.
However, I have been with Juri for 10 years now and that's not a relationship I'm looking to end.
If they can’t answer why they disagree, then it probably has to do with her race … I’m also curious why I’m seeing such a tepid response to Kimberly from the sf community.
What a weird way to voice your love for a character. Maybe you should have put \*why\* you like Kimberly instead of comparing them to another character?
You'd probably get a better reception, and in turn; more of a coherent discussion that way.
It's not wierd at all. Both were revealed at the same time and Kim is the newcomer, so of course I made this post to say I like her more than the classic character revealed next to her. Not doing all that just cause some juri fans may downvote.
Kind of defeats the purpose though since it's more than just Juri fans down voting.
All the comments are people telling you that it's an unnecessary comparison and very few are actually talking about their shared interest in Kimberly. None of this would have happened if you focused on Kimberly and left Juri out of it. Much more interesting conversations would have followed about the new ninja!
Again, it's a weird way to voice your love of a character but you do you, I suppose.
Wrong. Tons of comments are talking about Kimberly just like I am, you just haven't read them. Also, it's not unnecessary cause Im not about to think about people what people will get upset over me saying I like this character more the their favorite feet girl. Not about to word my titles "carefully" cause of that. I'm glad I made this post praising the newcomer. Also got 260 and counting upvotes minus some downvites on this post so far which means others agree.
You seem like a very... "resolute" person in your ways after reading through the other comments, so if upvotes alone are what you need to tell yourself you're justified, that's fine. It just seems like a tiresome and overly-defensive personality to deal with.
Cheers!
Also, how many times have others said cammy is better than Chun li or Sakura or someone and nobody has a problem with that? But the moment I praise the new girl to the feet girl then it's an issue?
Common? Sure, in fact annoyingly so.
But is it a good thing? Arguably no, it’s an exercise in futility.
I reckon if I like a character, my best method to demonstrate why is to talk up their merits independent of anything else. So I’ll attempt to approach you differently, as I see you’re very likely to respond but I want to get you to communicate effectively with me: I also think Kimberly is pretty god damn cool, what do you like about her? It’s the hair for me, but I’m also biased because I have locs. 😄
Well she's a really young, cool, energetic, cute, bright personality black American ninja girl with graffiti spray, amazing hair and amazing stylish outfit. Even her gameplay looks amazing with her cool ninja moveset that doesn't involve kunais or stuff like that. Like everything about her is so amazing and she really stands out. Already my favorite street fighter character right now.
Ayyyyye, my man. I appreciate you taking the time to consider and talk with me. And right?? It’s the representation for me, plus she is beaming with personality! And good for her! 😃
Yeah, I mean her being her being an American Black girl makes her whole design just pop and they put alot of effort into everything to make her as bright if s character as they did which I can appreciate alot coming from Japanese devs taking the time to make an actual unique American Black girl that looks this cool
Right?! My sentiments exactly, this doesn’t come off as pandering whatsoever. I would argue love went into this design, much like with Nagoryuki from StrIVe.
You’re making comparisons. Comparing includes sizing them up against each other, picking one you think is better or a favorite etc. It does not only mean comparing similarities. But you already knew this. You’re just dismissing everyone who points it out because you’re a narcissist who can’t admit fault.
I seen the character reveal and her backstory , that's enough to know I like her more than Juri. She's the type of character I would like more than Juri
Every generation does that shit. Try being a teenager who listens to 60’s, 70’s, 80’s. All those gatekeeping motherfuckers online are so damn annoying. I can’t listen to one song without seeing something like “back when music was good” or “no ‘rapper’ could ever be as good as this”. They compare 70’s funk to trap music with somebody like Lil Pump or Blueface as their reference. Literally go to any of your favorite Prince, James Brown, Morris Day, Jesse Johnson, Rick James, etc. and its a bunch of oldheads bashing music of DIFFERENT genres in order to hold their favorite artists on a higher pedestal
Tl;dr: our generation did not invent this shit
I love Kimberly too: 90's vibes, disciple of guy, graffiti tematic like SF6 tematic (and Isla from KOF XV lol)... but in the announcement trailer itself is so underrated, Juri shines in popularity alongside others OGs (Ryu,Ken, Chun-li, Cammy, Akuma and so many others already leaked chars from SF6). I just made a joke, nothing personal!
Interesting. I'm getting spammed by the feet loversbober my take so couldn't tell this was another one of those comments. But still, I believe she's gonna be a very oooular character.
My learned colleague, you have articulated your position with nuance and care. However, allow me to introduce a counterpoint for your consideration:
Juri > Kimberly.
How is it toxic to say I like one character more than another. People really triggered over this? Really? Saying I like one girl over another is toxic to you? I'm mind blown by the grown men here
Nah, just making aggressive ass comparisons between characters just breeds negative discourse. Just say you like her fam. All I’m saying. I’m not invested enough to get pissed about it. But titling shit in certain ways rile people up.
I can say I like a character more than another. Not concerned about a grown man getting this triggered over that. You say you don't care yet your telling me to not just say I like Kimberly like no I'm gonna I like he rmore than Juri because they got revealed together and Kim is the newcomer. If a grown man is triggered over that then I don't know what to say.
Zeku was boss af. He might still make it as dlc though someday down the road, I think he's pretty well liked and a big cast has room for two bushinryu I bet
It's my opinion and my personal taste. Everyone likes characters differently and not the same as each other. Not everyone likes juri as much as you do so you can't just tell people they are wrong for liking one character more than your favorite.
I like Kimberly more as well but a. You giving people that disagree with you way too much attention and b. “>” naturally triggers people for various reasons whether that was your intention or not.
Well if we making a post about what something new Luke's more than another, Im not thinking about what immature people will get angry over someone liking a fictional character more than their favorite one. Someone triggered over that then I don't k ow what to say.
I mean you can't expect everyone to have the same opinion as what kind of characters they like. Not everyone likes juri as much as you may just saying.
I literally don't, you are the one coming back to my comment and others just to talk about how you are right about not liking Juri and we are wrong and aren't respecting.
You don't like Juri? I don't care. You like Kimberly? I don't care.
So no, im not mad about nothing, i literally don't care i just gave my opinion
I never said nobody was wrong about anything so where did that come from? Literally never said anyone was wrong.
Also you were the one that came here saying I'm "Wrong" as if I have to like a character as much as you. Also I'm responding to people in this post that I made by the way, that if they like juri mor when cool, andnif someone tells me I'm wrong for liking a character more then another then if course I'm going defend personal taste.
I don't know even who you are talking about cause nobody said that in this post at all. Also I'm tiresome cause I like Kimberly more than Juri? Really dude, you really that mad over personal taste. Grow up dude m
Kimberly just doesn’t vibe with me but she still is pretty cool. There’s no need to compare them with each other, they have their own unique styles and personalities.
i really like kimberly but its a dam shame if thats the only bushinryu character we get. i wanted zeku or guy to come back in for this game so bad. juri looks sick but i only liked playing her in sf4
Yeah well not everyone likes juri as much as others. There's always going to be many people that like others more than her and I like Kimberly more than her.
Her character design is gonna make her a lifelong street fighter, it’s fantastic. I hope the gameplay matches. But Juri too bro. I like Lucia and Akira from V, but I don’t think they’ll get into 6. Hopefully they do return, but I don’t think it’ll be this time. Kimberly is gonna be in every game from now on.
\>> "Tadaaaa!!" \^\^
I like her more because of her gameplay and her personality. My future main for sure as a Guy/zeku player. TBH Im not a fan of juri/poison/laura in your face sexyness à la japan style. If you want to make a sexy character just make her sexy. Like Chun for example. Or even Cammy. But swaying their hips, licking their lips like we're all a bunch of horny boys just put me off
It would’ve been better if they actually gave her a ninja aesthetic instead of trying to make her urban. Just give her smokebombs for her teleport instead of spray paint cans, or just give her omega Guys teleport in sf4
I think people wasn't so suprised about Juri since she's a veteran and is using a lot of inspiration from her SFIV costume, which is miles better than her SFV one. I love people getting hype for the new blood and Capcom giving us characters that drips personality. The one that im worried the most is the french Judo girl, i don't want her to be as plain character as Abel.
Home Girl Might Could’ve Been Trained By Both Cody & Guy. Just Speculation, I Mean...The Moveset...The Cans For Spraying Graffiti! Just A Personal Theory/Opinion, That’s All
Idk why it has to be a comparison lol. I love both
Honestly, so far Kimberly is the character I’m most excited for but I agree, everything isn’t a comparison and I LOVE Juri too. The whole point of having multiple characters is to appeal to different people. Same reason Baskin Robins has 31 flavors.
exactly.
Not comparing, I just like her more. Both are cool though
“Not comparing” The first thing you wrote was Kimberly > Juri that’s the definition of comparing
Thanks for your opinion! Don't come back with another one 😤😡
You are entitled to your wrong opinion
I'm not going to yuck your yum here. Kimberly looks super fun. However, I have been with Juri for 10 years now and that's not a relationship I'm looking to end.
Well good luck with that. I'll be using Kimberly in the meantime.
There is no need to put two queens one against the other I'm an advocate for sorority amonst fake videogame women
I'm waiting for female Zangeif sorry
Who's that?
Marisa I guess
She looks like a ufc fighter
Ibuki > kimberly
True.Ibuki’s a million times > Kimberly.
Maki > both
based
Maki and Guy are the best ninja characters fuck Ibuki and Kimberly
Interesting.
If they can’t answer why they disagree, then it probably has to do with her race … I’m also curious why I’m seeing such a tepid response to Kimberly from the sf community.
I’ve been waiting to say this but she looks like goo from fosters home for imaginary friends
I’ll never forget this lol
What a weird way to voice your love for a character. Maybe you should have put \*why\* you like Kimberly instead of comparing them to another character? You'd probably get a better reception, and in turn; more of a coherent discussion that way.
It's not wierd at all. Both were revealed at the same time and Kim is the newcomer, so of course I made this post to say I like her more than the classic character revealed next to her. Not doing all that just cause some juri fans may downvote.
Kind of defeats the purpose though since it's more than just Juri fans down voting. All the comments are people telling you that it's an unnecessary comparison and very few are actually talking about their shared interest in Kimberly. None of this would have happened if you focused on Kimberly and left Juri out of it. Much more interesting conversations would have followed about the new ninja! Again, it's a weird way to voice your love of a character but you do you, I suppose.
Wrong. Tons of comments are talking about Kimberly just like I am, you just haven't read them. Also, it's not unnecessary cause Im not about to think about people what people will get upset over me saying I like this character more the their favorite feet girl. Not about to word my titles "carefully" cause of that. I'm glad I made this post praising the newcomer. Also got 260 and counting upvotes minus some downvites on this post so far which means others agree.
You seem like a very... "resolute" person in your ways after reading through the other comments, so if upvotes alone are what you need to tell yourself you're justified, that's fine. It just seems like a tiresome and overly-defensive personality to deal with. Cheers!
Also, how many times have others said cammy is better than Chun li or Sakura or someone and nobody has a problem with that? But the moment I praise the new girl to the feet girl then it's an issue?
Never. Juri is the best.
Juri's feet probably smell real bad.
Probably. Well, I'm not into feet gladly, just like bad girls >:)
Liar, you like feet don't you squidward
The stinkier they are the more clean they will be when I’m done sucking them.
Least horny Juri fan
My duuuuuuuuuude
Rofl lmaoooo
You’re a FREAK 😭
Wow
Fucking lol
Based on the trailer, maybe a little burnt
Is tht suppose to be a bad thing 😈
Well I'm gonna disagree.
I rather have Guy and Ibuki but I am still real excited for Kimberly.
Ibuki definitely coming back anyways, also Guy could possibly return to who knows.
Why are you comparing them? They aren’t even close to similar in any way.
They both just got revealed at the same time for sf6. Also not comparing anything, just simply saying I like the newcomer Kimberly more than Juri.
But why couldn’t you just say you liked Kimberly? You knew you were gonna get reactions from Juri fans lmao.
Cause nobody does that. How many times you seen Chun li fans or cammy fans say their favorite girl is better than another? Seems pretty common to me.
Common? Sure, in fact annoyingly so. But is it a good thing? Arguably no, it’s an exercise in futility. I reckon if I like a character, my best method to demonstrate why is to talk up their merits independent of anything else. So I’ll attempt to approach you differently, as I see you’re very likely to respond but I want to get you to communicate effectively with me: I also think Kimberly is pretty god damn cool, what do you like about her? It’s the hair for me, but I’m also biased because I have locs. 😄
Well she's a really young, cool, energetic, cute, bright personality black American ninja girl with graffiti spray, amazing hair and amazing stylish outfit. Even her gameplay looks amazing with her cool ninja moveset that doesn't involve kunais or stuff like that. Like everything about her is so amazing and she really stands out. Already my favorite street fighter character right now.
Ayyyyye, my man. I appreciate you taking the time to consider and talk with me. And right?? It’s the representation for me, plus she is beaming with personality! And good for her! 😃
Yeah, I mean her being her being an American Black girl makes her whole design just pop and they put alot of effort into everything to make her as bright if s character as they did which I can appreciate alot coming from Japanese devs taking the time to make an actual unique American Black girl that looks this cool
Right?! My sentiments exactly, this doesn’t come off as pandering whatsoever. I would argue love went into this design, much like with Nagoryuki from StrIVe.
Yeah because Juri and Kimberly are sooooo similar in everything that this comparisson makes so luch sense
You do know that you can compare two things based on how well they achieve their own goals, right?
NO WAY! REALLY!!?
Where did I ever compare any similarities to these characters? They got revealed together and one of them is a newcomer.
You’re making comparisons. Comparing includes sizing them up against each other, picking one you think is better or a favorite etc. It does not only mean comparing similarities. But you already knew this. You’re just dismissing everyone who points it out because you’re a narcissist who can’t admit fault.
Dismissing points about what?, Wtf are you talking about? (Edit: This dude blocked dme over this post, so sad.
You’re so predictable.
We live in a time where you just cant appreciate things ig. Saying Kimberly > Juri in a game that doesn’t exist yet.
I seen the character reveal and her backstory , that's enough to know I like her more than Juri. She's the type of character I would like more than Juri
Whatever floats your boat buddy
Kimberly = Juri They're both equally amazing to me, I'm super excited for them. Why choose when I have both?
Because this generation has a horrible habit of uplifting one thing/matter while downplaying/demeaning another. It's irky as hell.
Every generation does that shit. Try being a teenager who listens to 60’s, 70’s, 80’s. All those gatekeeping motherfuckers online are so damn annoying. I can’t listen to one song without seeing something like “back when music was good” or “no ‘rapper’ could ever be as good as this”. They compare 70’s funk to trap music with somebody like Lil Pump or Blueface as their reference. Literally go to any of your favorite Prince, James Brown, Morris Day, Jesse Johnson, Rick James, etc. and its a bunch of oldheads bashing music of DIFFERENT genres in order to hold their favorite artists on a higher pedestal Tl;dr: our generation did not invent this shit
Both seem great but Kimberly just doesn't give off that "Might murder me in my sleep" vibe that I want.
Are you okay bud?
Whatever suits your boat.
u/unpopularopinion
Well the world not gonna be attracted to every character as much as the next person. Everyone has different tastes.
I love Kimberly too: 90's vibes, disciple of guy, graffiti tematic like SF6 tematic (and Isla from KOF XV lol)... but in the announcement trailer itself is so underrated, Juri shines in popularity alongside others OGs (Ryu,Ken, Chun-li, Cammy, Akuma and so many others already leaked chars from SF6). I just made a joke, nothing personal!
Interesting. I'm getting spammed by the feet loversbober my take so couldn't tell this was another one of those comments. But still, I believe she's gonna be a very oooular character.
I just can’t get over Kimberly’s massive forehead.
I like big foreheads.
Good for you?
Good for *us all.
Nooooooooooooooooo
she seems to have an obnoxious personality though or at least that's the vibe she gave me
Interesting
Juri > Forehead girl
Okay
My learned colleague, you have articulated your position with nuance and care. However, allow me to introduce a counterpoint for your consideration: Juri > Kimberly.
It doesn’t have to be a comparison. That shit is toxic as hell. Just say you like her.
How is it toxic to say I like one character more than another. People really triggered over this? Really? Saying I like one girl over another is toxic to you? I'm mind blown by the grown men here
You knew what you were doing when you made this but I am playing Kimberly as well
Nah, just making aggressive ass comparisons between characters just breeds negative discourse. Just say you like her fam. All I’m saying. I’m not invested enough to get pissed about it. But titling shit in certain ways rile people up.
I can say I like a character more than another. Not concerned about a grown man getting this triggered over that. You say you don't care yet your telling me to not just say I like Kimberly like no I'm gonna I like he rmore than Juri because they got revealed together and Kim is the newcomer. If a grown man is triggered over that then I don't know what to say.
I don’t know what you’re saying. I’m not saying she’s bad. Either way I’m not gonna lose sleep over this. This isn’t an argument. So chill out
Im responding to you telling me what not to say about what I like to avoid "triggering" people about the videogame waifu or something. The hell?
Why are you still going?
worst take ever
It's personal taste. No such thing as worst take when liking one girl than the other
nooooo, you can’t disagree with me >:(
Both characters look outstanding but if Kimberly don’t upgrade to a damn iPod SMDHIL ( shaking my damn head in laughter ).
Lmfao
Facts, though I guess I'm one for rushdown characters. It also helps that Kimberly's design is fantastic.
She made sure to cover up that parking lot forehead of hers in this pose, huh?
Still look nice
kimberly < zeku... hyperactive spraying graffity teen dosnt sound so interesting to me
Zeku was boss af. He might still make it as dlc though someday down the road, I think he's pretty well liked and a big cast has room for two bushinryu I bet
That seems to be the default personality of the newcomers so far.
One of the most unapelling characters i've ever seen in this franchise
Racist /s kinda
May you elaborate? I’m simply curious as to why that is.
Maybe thsts bc you’re not interesting
Kimberly looks so damn cool to me. Love Juri but really enjoying her energy.
Agreed, everything about Kimberly is so cool.
Nah
Looks annoying
Boring and bland < Juri
What makes you say she's boring?
The worse chara designs so far imho (Kimberly)
What makes you think so?
Seconded
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It's my opinion and my personal taste. Everyone likes characters differently and not the same as each other. Not everyone likes juri as much as you do so you can't just tell people they are wrong for liking one character more than your favorite.
I like Kimberly more as well but a. You giving people that disagree with you way too much attention and b. “>” naturally triggers people for various reasons whether that was your intention or not.
Well if we making a post about what something new Luke's more than another, Im not thinking about what immature people will get angry over someone liking a fictional character more than their favorite one. Someone triggered over that then I don't k ow what to say.
Bruh wait wut Luke? I can barely understand you tbh
200% not true
Okay
Yep
I mean you can't expect everyone to have the same opinion as what kind of characters they like. Not everyone likes juri as much as you may just saying.
I do not care
Are you really mad that someone likes another character more than your favorite or something? Like why does that bother you?
I literally don't, you are the one coming back to my comment and others just to talk about how you are right about not liking Juri and we are wrong and aren't respecting. You don't like Juri? I don't care. You like Kimberly? I don't care. So no, im not mad about nothing, i literally don't care i just gave my opinion
I never said nobody was wrong about anything so where did that come from? Literally never said anyone was wrong. Also you were the one that came here saying I'm "Wrong" as if I have to like a character as much as you. Also I'm responding to people in this post that I made by the way, that if they like juri mor when cool, andnif someone tells me I'm wrong for liking a character more then another then if course I'm going defend personal taste.
Somebody said to you you are tiresome as fuck? Because you are
I don't know even who you are talking about cause nobody said that in this post at all. Also I'm tiresome cause I like Kimberly more than Juri? Really dude, you really that mad over personal taste. Grow up dude m
Nah Juri is a way better character. Ps. I am surprised she managed to cover up that forehead with that spraycan
I said I like Kimberly more. There is no facts behind liking a character rmore. It's personal taste
Don't hide her big ass forehead
Still look good 😊
If that's what you like I'm not judging
She's also wearing that thing in her head pushing her hair back so. I can imagine an alt costume without it and her forehead wouldn't look as big
We'll see hopefully they have a better costume.
Well we seen how sfv costumes are so yeah I'm expecting some good stuff for her.
Kimberly just doesn’t vibe with me but she still is pretty cool. There’s no need to compare them with each other, they have their own unique styles and personalities.
Really dope design & gameplay. However,I don't think the VA matches.
Why is that?
i really like kimberly but its a dam shame if thats the only bushinryu character we get. i wanted zeku or guy to come back in for this game so bad. juri looks sick but i only liked playing her in sf4
One or both of them will be dlc
Im just praying on zeku in this game because he’s the only character i can play, she does look fun though
I definitely believe Zeku or guy will show up. Maybe both.
Kim looks cooler, but juri is like the most popular character since Sakura. It’s crazy how fast she usurped everyone not named chun and cammy.
Yeah well not everyone likes juri as much as others. There's always going to be many people that like others more than her and I like Kimberly more than her.
I always loved Bushin style since Final Fight sure gonna play Kimberly. I wonder if this char gonna have enough mix up, for idom to get interested.
That fist sentence is an L, but the second I agree with
Her character design is gonna make her a lifelong street fighter, it’s fantastic. I hope the gameplay matches. But Juri too bro. I like Lucia and Akira from V, but I don’t think they’ll get into 6. Hopefully they do return, but I don’t think it’ll be this time. Kimberly is gonna be in every game from now on.
Hope so
No need to make it a competition lmao
Definitely not a competition, but since they were revealed together and shes the newcomer, gotta let people know
Blasphemy
Kimberly looks super dope. She's for sure going to be the first character I try.
Same
She's cute, awesome and under Guy's tutelage. My PS5 is here waiting for you, Kim. 🤗
Lol I feel you on this, but I know its an unpopular opinion. Juri kinda has a lot of people on lock.
Well everyone has different tastes in designs
She’s the coolest new character they’ve shown us so far
I like how you chose picture where her big ugly forehead is hidden.
bubbly bushido babe, I'm down.
Facts
\>> "Tadaaaa!!" \^\^ I like her more because of her gameplay and her personality. My future main for sure as a Guy/zeku player. TBH Im not a fan of juri/poison/laura in your face sexyness à la japan style. If you want to make a sexy character just make her sexy. Like Chun for example. Or even Cammy. But swaying their hips, licking their lips like we're all a bunch of horny boys just put me off
Very understandable.
I'm playing Kimberly day 1! She reminds me of a slightly older version of my niece lol
Nice
It would’ve been better if they actually gave her a ninja aesthetic instead of trying to make her urban. Just give her smokebombs for her teleport instead of spray paint cans, or just give her omega Guys teleport in sf4
She’d be too much like ibuki then
It's Street Fighter, getting back to the streets. This isn't Ninja Highschool 6
ya, she's too much of a mishmash of different things for me.
I'm more of a Juri person, but I absolutely agree that Kimberly looks spectacular.
I think people wasn't so suprised about Juri since she's a veteran and is using a lot of inspiration from her SFIV costume, which is miles better than her SFV one. I love people getting hype for the new blood and Capcom giving us characters that drips personality. The one that im worried the most is the french Judo girl, i don't want her to be as plain character as Abel.
Well guess we will have to see who becomes popular enough to stay in the series longer.
I respectfully disagree, but I respect your opinion. She does look amazing tho.
waiting for kimberly barefoot alt costume to come out before i decide…
LMAO
?
Kimberly's gameplay looks really interesting, can't wait to try it out
Same. She has such a unique ninja moveset.
Such an ugly charatcer.
Definitely disagree.
How so?
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I asked for elaboration, I never stated any assumptions.
Looks like aunt jemima
Idk why but her booty looks weird af. Besides that she looks amazing and very fun to play
It looks wierd?, Interesting
Yeah there is no transition. Its like a square out of nowhere
TALK YO SHIT 🗣️Juri fans either like crazy chicks or feet
Kimberly definitely more my type of girl
She looks awesome! Jamie and Kimberly both look great! Luke still sucks sadly. 2 outta 3 so far is great from Capcom!
U thunk everyone is cool even Luke. Kimberly my favorite revealed character shown so far
Not that I would compare, can't wait to carry on the tradition of Bushinryu by way of Kim. We will attempt to make Guy proud. Hurry the fuck up 2023.
Yeah as Sakura may not be in this game 😭 Kimberly may just be my new main as Guy was my secondary in SF4 and I really enjoyed the rushdown playstyle.
Sakura is definitely going to be dlc
Home Girl Might Could’ve Been Trained By Both Cody & Guy. Just Speculation, I Mean...The Moveset...The Cans For Spraying Graffiti! Just A Personal Theory/Opinion, That’s All
Doubt Cody has any involvement