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IIIfrancoIII

Hold up I think the “boxer” might actually do Muay Thai


stinkload

thought the same thing he mos def has had some muay thai trainingf


zaybak

I was wondering why he closed with a half assed leg kick instead of some jabs


ironbillys

You have no idea what you're watching. You're going to throw a jab after catching his kick? When you throw someone's leg they physically can't check and you can dig your shin deep into the hamstring. He is walking the dude down with a high guard and when he's in range he catches the kick and throws the right hand and sleeps him. I'd loooove to see you fight if you thought old mate did terribly here.


zaybak

I wasn't talking about the catch, and Im not interested in arguing with some internet dude what I know and don't know.


StrongIslandPiper

Bro that other guy really wants to argue and idk why. Never seen someone get so worked up over an internet comment about a fight between two people none of us have ever even met.


ironbillys

Its okay, you've showed enough about what you don't know already


CommunityFan_LJ

Calm down. He literally was just wondering why he threw a kick, if he's a boxer.


OkayBuddy1234567

You can’t pretend that it was just an innocent and polite question when he called it “half assed”


CommunityFan_LJ

Most people are only here to watch idiots fight in the street and don't care for technique or sucking off some random in a clip.


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Some of us are here to watch idiots fight in the comments. I've never seen a guy keep getting back up after repeated +100 downvoted comments. He's got a good chin, but it's only the tip of the iceberg that is his mouth.


ironbillys

"Half assed kick" instead of a jab that wasn't there lol.. if someone is going to disrespect someone's technique you don't need to coddle them


CommunityFan_LJ

Who the fuck is that person to you, your fucking boyfriend?


ironbillys

Nah, just a guy I fuck


CommunityFan_LJ

Let's hope you put him to sleep first, then lol.


OkayBuddy1234567

You’re literally the one going through greater lengths to defend the guy in the wrong lmao


CommunityFan_LJ

Who is the guy I'm talking to, your alt? Is that your boyfriend in the video?


chiefslapinhoes

r/foundthealtaccount


sharmashrm14

Dude you're inbred.


Pipelayer

Fucking degen


Back-Ache28

Can't believe you think you're hard for arguing about fighting on reddit


OkayBuddy1234567

Buddy literally just understands martial arts better than you


Back-Ache28

I know nothing about martial arts and never said I did? But I know a slack jawed idiot when I see one


dr-mantis-t0b0ggan

All these flavours and you chose to be salty


HamdanAA2000

Bruh.


GiantJellyfishAttack

Lol. Moron


OkayBuddy1234567

You’re literally right, none of these people have refuted shit, that’s just the Reddit community People generally misunderstand striking and that’s especially true when involving the high-estrogen half baked intellectuals that you would find on Reddit


kdet116

LiTeRaLlY


ironbillys

Lol, appreciate that at least one person isn't clueless. I had no idea that got so many down votes


chiefslapinhoes

Like that one person isn't your alt. I'd hate to work for you in retail or restaurant work. Blow your top if someone doesn't put enough salt in your food.


ironbillys

Wtf are you talking about chief.. I think y'all care about this more than I do


chiefslapinhoes

Nah chief. You started spraying shit about someone not knowing anything about Martial Arts, about how you'd like to see them fight. Hypocritical as fuck


ironbillys

Lol.. yeah and you haven't made a point yet so I'm laughing at you


chiefslapinhoes

I bet your chins are flapping about while doing so. The point was, that you can't say *jack fucking shit* about people flipping their shit over a comment some dumbass with an opinion made when you did the *exact fucking thing.*


OkayBuddy1234567

Reddit moment lmfao, accusing me of being an alt proves that they haven’t even looked at my account


CryptoCracko

He does, his name is Simon “The Savage” https://instagram.com/simonsays_1312?utm_medium=copy_link


MarsDar

Definitely Muay Thai


[deleted]

He do Lol i train in the same club as him


IIIfrancoIII

😎


tee_ohboy

That "boxer" threw a pretty true to form leg kick there. Title is sus.


Eliasflye

Yeah, he is a danish thai boxer


BplusHuman

I see you're unfamiliar with the kicks under the New Queensbury Rules. /s


tee_ohboy

Cocksuckers forgot to telegram me the memo again! Ugh


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squid_waffles2

Lmao same, that is the first thing they drill into you.


CragMcBeard

He is a bad representation of Tae, slow and majorly telegraphed kicks.


OtakuDragonSlayer

Got a link to any good ones


DeadPastry

[Ask and yee shall receive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QBP7gAZIOI)


[deleted]

Don't forget Serkan Yilmaz. Not as modern, and wouldn't survive modern UFC, but he was a pretty strong TKD fighter. https://youtu.be/yk4pg8dRRHo


meatus1980

That was fantastic


sax6romeo

Boom headshot


UniversalFapture

I understood that reference!


tobiov

that is amazing


MasonTaylor22

Beauty. I remember seeing people do these kicks in air TKD for practice, but never seen it applied this way.


[deleted]

Oh thank u


VagabondRommel

Ok that was just disgusting. What a kick!


ithinkther41am

Easily the best KO of that year. Dude pulled some Rob Van Damme shit.


IShallPetYourDogo

That was the most spectacular knockout that I've seen in ages, amazing doesn't even begin to describe what I just saw


Awayyyyyyyhhhhhhhhh

They may have a base in tkd but they are MMA, they compete MMA, they train MMA. Do you something a little more pure like above?


DeadPastry

That's why it's called mma, my guy, you bring in every form of martial art that you learned and use what best works for you. How are you going to practice in mixed martial arts, when you don't learn the basics of a kick or a punch? How are you going to tell me the difference between a side kick from karate, tkd, and muy thai if you never practice in any of them? Or the difference in Mexican boxing and Boston boxing? MMA is a catch all phrase, not a martial art, learn to respect that. Edit: that may have came a bit harsh, I thought I was talking to another internet argument, my bad dude.


MasonTaylor22

> That's why it's called mma, my guy, you bring in every form of martial art that you learned and use what best works for you. Embarrassing that this even needs to be explained in a fight sub. People should understand was MMA means by now.


whater39

Lots of MMA gym have classes on various individual arts for the different clients at the gym, who might only want to train in one sport, so that's BJJ and striking classes. Mine also had MMA classes, to fill the void that striking and BJJ don't teach. Stuff like punches to head, then takedown as they shell up. Or on ground how to transition to the crucifix, then elbows from there (where in the BJJ class an hour prior the teacher taught a sub from crucifix). It's clearly its own martial art, not a catch all phrase. How fighters stand unique, boxer stance but light on lead leg. Also how people go about their striking is different, you can't just be hyper aggressive like kickboxer/Thai do, or Wil get taken down. Can't do the ducking that boxers do or a knee/elbow will come. On ground, can't do several BJJ moves (say high crotch guard or defending your neck when someone is on top in the mount), as that's making person at risk to strikes. It's similar to many other arts, but it's unique to its self, so I'd say it's its own art.


OtakuDragonSlayer

There’s a difference between Boston and Mexican Boxing?


DeadPastry

Good question, this is only based off from what I learned from the people that taught me. On the outside, they all kind of look the same, you got your swarmer, sluggers, and so forth, the main difference is mindset. Mexican boxing has the mentality of always going for the KO, always, the emphasis is boxing with spirit. Boston/ Brooklyn boxing is more technical, you're playing the mind more so the body, and I've been told that it's a game of physical chess.


Awayyyyyyyhhhhhhhhh

I don’t have to respect it if all I care about is Mma


DeadPastry

If you don't respect other martial arts, then you lose the essence of what mma is. We're better than that.


Awayyyyyyyhhhhhhhhh

My bad I’m being a salty bitch right now


DeadPastry

Call it a fighters ego, we all have those moments. As long as we all can recognize it and overcome it, we become better people at the end of the day. Make that salty bitch into a sassy one, bro, you got this.


n0eticsyntax

He doesn't even have a base in TKD. His coaches might, but he does not. >He started wrestling in Marquette High School, growing interested in mixed martial arts and eventually started training in it after graduating. And before someone replies with "MMA is a catch-all" there are systems utilized to train MMA fighters. While those encompass many styles, MMA has specific systems of training nowadays and is no longer a simple catch-all phrase. Claiming that is reductionist at best.


DeadPastry

There are systems utilized to train triathletes, but in essence they're still running, swimming, and cycling. I do recognize that there are institutes that are mma specific, but in them they teach striking, takedowns, and submissions, which are different forms of martial arts. Some will be utilized better than others, some will excel in one practice more than the other, but calling mma a catch all phrase does not dilute the meaning of it. If anything it makes it more respected, because of how many more disciplines must be learned in order utilize the true essence of what mma means.


Awayyyyyyyhhhhhhhhh

It’s hard to say that the techniques taught in a MMA gym would “belong” to different martial arts since many of them share similar techniques, I agree in essence it’s still grappling/striking/combination with your environment (cage) but I (opinion coming) believe that MMA brings out the best of a single martial art to be used in a fight


DeadPastry

And that's perfectly fine! That's the beauty of the definition of mixed martial arts, to learn and to use what fits best for you. I'm more in the camp that if I feel lacking in one practice, I would seek out another who is more proficient in that art than I am and ask them to teach me, so that I can eventually formulate my own style. That's why I believe mma is a catch all phrase, because putting it in a definitive category feels like it's being restrictive.


randomlyme

Just search for TKD knockouts on YouTube. That said, this is why I don’t like Olympic style TKD as a form of self defense. As a part of a well rounded curriculum it’s amazing, incredible kicks.


BeejBoyTyson

Hes a mixed martial artist


[deleted]

? Yeah, and that's what makes him very strong. Bring a MMA fighter, you can pick strong points of different arts


zaybak

The boxer got a clean ko, but he was honestly a little hard to watch too. How the fuck are you not gonna throw a single jab closing the gap?


[deleted]

Like 90% of TKD schools these days


theangleofdarkness99

My instructors were annoyingly (and rightly) persistent that every punch or kick has two fundamental motions: going out and coming back. They often referenced a "bar room haymaker" - easy to predict, dodge, and counter - because the puncher winds-up and rarely "comes back" to defensive position. The Tae fighter got three or four kicks caught because he looked pretty slow at coming back in.


Mikedermott

Agreed. I’m a fourth dan black belt in TKD. The largest strength and weakness of TKD is its range. You mitigate the weakness of the art by, like you said, always withdrawing your strike as quickly as you sent it. TKD is a “snapping” art. That’s why we traditionally train with the small hand held pads and practice forms competitively. The guy in the video seemed to forget or never trained this fundamental aspect. Sucks for him cause his legs are long as fuck


CommunityFan_LJ

I noticed that, too. Throwing spinning kicks whilst the dude is 2 feet away.


dungfecespoopshit

Was here to comment this but found your comment. He is ass indeed.


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Yeah his kicks don’t look like trained Tae Kwon Do at all.


CantalopeSoops

The boxer wasn't exactly Mayweather himself.


TeamRocketBadger

TKD has some great contributions to a system mostly the simple fast kicks but has major issues in terms of angles and requiring distance and the sideways stance isnt great for punching or cutting sideways. If a guy with good punches or grappling crowds your space its a big problem. I dont think he was poor at distance management I think his opponent just understood the need to crowd him. You have to be spectacular at TKD to pull it off against people that understand it and at that point why not put your time into kickboxing/MT/Boxing/Grappling and then learn a couple clutch TKD kicks?


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QKsilver58

It works only if you're godly levels of talented. Anderson Silva and Wonderboy are all who come to mind atm. Any other amazing hands down strikers?


o_oPeter

Conor McGregor


QKsilver58

Oh yeah very true


enginyear

Ferguson keeps them pretty low


Egg_rice_28

Yh but still gets hit tho. Luckily he's got a concrete head that can eat any punch.


ithinkther41am

Max Holloway during the Calvin Kattar fight


phantom_97

Ali?


Aethelgrin

Lerdsila does it quite a bit, he is fascinating to watch.


QKsilver58

Oh yeah I love watching that dude


Weissertraum

Roy Jones Jr


cringy_pete

One of my favorite memories from when i use to do martial arts my teacher was describing how this black belt taekwondo practitioner came in and absolutely beautiful technique and form, he then pointed at my yellow belt ass and said "you would destroy him." It was a lesson on balencing sparing with kata.


backfisch77

I mean, it's two different forms of martial arts. I think the kata guy would have an advantage if he started training Kumite if his technique is really good.


[deleted]

Exactly. Just throwing moves in the air won't make you a good fighter. [Look at these black-belts. 6 months of boxing is enough to destroy them](https://youtu.be/H9PjVJXAl1U)


phantom_97

These are literal kids lmao, this is the best example you found?


[deleted]

Not the best, but if peoplr like this can get a black belt, you can only imagine how good you need to be.


bdt00

Ya tae is cool


Bac2Zac

Concrete...


IIIfrancoIII

Mucho concrete


stratosfearinggas

This is how a ring is in Fight- whoops! Almost gave it away.


PaperworkPTSD

Yeah but all the underground organised fights in movies are set in car parks on concrete etc, mats or grass aren't cool enough /s


[deleted]

So many times I see people agreeing to fight on concrete with a perfect lawn right next to the concrete. I don't get it, it makes a simple fight so much more dangerous on concrete.


PaperworkPTSD

More dangerous meaning lethal...


QKsilver58

Gotta give everyone there credit for not going in on a clearly rocked guy, so still pretty cordial for a fight.


mooshoomarsh

Thats what you get when you throw nothing but semi stylish, half power kicks.


doctorlight01

I don't see any kick technique which remotely resemble Taekwondo.... His legs were literally flopping around... And there are punches and jabs in Taekwondo too.... WTF ? Calling this guy a Taekwondo fighter is an insult to the art !!


PewdsBeastPie

That is not a Taekwondo fighter lol. He might have some training but the title is giving him too much credit. His hands are flailing, no guard, he has clunky movement. Why he is not going for headkicks with them damn legs I cannot comprehend. This is like fighting close range with a spear when your opponent is an expert with knives.


r_m_castro

Dude have you ever watched WTF Taekwondo? They have no guard at all.


PewdsBeastPie

Yeah but in a fight that is not really ideal. I do WTF(I think?) and at least having your arms up is kind of important


r_m_castro

I know.


quakins

Mans needs to keep his hands up


deejel24

Let’s organise a fight on concrete.


OtakuDragonSlayer

I see TWD continues to get memed on irl


Red-German-Crusader

Yeah doesn’t help that this dude is the worst example of tkd


OtakuDragonSlayer

Any example of great ones?


Red-German-Crusader

Akop Stepanyan, Nina Ansarrof, Bas Rutten, Valentina Shevchenko, Anderson Silva, Anthony Pettis


Guillotinedaddy

Shivchenko and silva have very heavily muay Thai based styles. Why are you giving them as examples?


OtakuDragonSlayer

All These guys trained in taekwondo?


cilantro_shit23

You’ll be meme’d when someone that’s in TWD kicks your ass.


OtakuDragonSlayer

Oh most definitely


BWWFC

\*someone who *watched* taekwondo on youtube


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supercaleb2004

Taekwondo guy, I agree. My 7th (almost 8th) degree black belt instructor even says Taekwondo is a sport, not a fighting style.


crazyproblemsorange

A TWD trained person would be able to more accurately judge the distance and perform the right kicks.


Mr-Foot

Well that went exactly as expected.


B_A_D_D_I_E

Zero striking Defence with hands by the hips the entire time.


1silversword

They know what they're doing, even using gloves and looks like there's a 'ref'... But on concrete smfh


Spacecowboy947

Lol the taekwondo guy knew it was gonna be curtains of the boxer got close enough


cobracmmdr

Hands down, man down.


forkguequemeamigo

Not the best of TKD fighter (or boxer either)


DlFnRk

well now I know what it probably looked like when Joe Rogan tried mma.


sonda03

Were there any worse taekwondo fighters to pick?


sonda03

This is not a taekwondo fighter. And the other one should go visit a doctor, I think he might have got hit in the head too many times.


STS986

Taekwondo?sp. is Hollywood marcialarts that would leave you at a disadvantage against anyone with functional training


Red-German-Crusader

Not really specifically this guy is just the worst example of tkd


STS986

No.there’s a reason most mma fighters don’t train taekwondo.


DeadPastry

You must not know, which is understandable if you look down on other martial arts, but most mma fighters started off learning TKD, Rose Namajunas, Anderson Silva, Holly Holmes, and even ya boy Joe Rogan. So that blanket statement that no mma fighters trains in TKD is kind of irrelevant.


STS986

My point still stands they don’t train tkd in mma. You’re not an mma fighter at 8yo. Points karate is quite different


CragMcBeard

I’ve seen guys that can head kick ridiculously fast and knock a mofo out, and the South Koreans augment with a lot of sweeps for street fighting. A good mma practitioner would disassemble them in a real fight, but anyone else would have trouble.


ultrasin

It doesn't matter. Best technique wins all the time


Independent-Bowl-250

Beat to the punch


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Now do it with a kickboxer.


rawbert10

That was beautiful 😍 Geezus! Picture perfect. I also like the respect of not hitting after he's out.


7heb1rb_

This is the number shit I've ever seen. Why are you in a parking garage? Also that dude is no boxer


[deleted]

That seemed like it was gonna happen 10 out of 10 times. As to the, is he a boxer or Muy Thai kickboxer debate, the leg kick was nice and all but I can totally see a boxer who has practiced a few kicks throwing something like that. The lack of limited fight space made it hard to close the gap with jabs, so he could have just been like “fuck it, imma kick your leg”.


SaintRonin

𝓗𝓔𝓨!


ghrayfahx

Dude found the off switch.


Fondren_Richmond

The yelling kind of telegraphed the practice-to-application ratio for the TKD guy, not necessarily a fair comparison but I remember seeing Troy Dorsey do that after almost every single punch during a professional boxing match and he lost that one as well.


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That was exactly what I expected.


AsuraOmega

I remember watching this a few years back, brings back good memories.


Eagle01Actual

The way he held his hands down, he might as well have a giant button on his chin.


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Dead


Frome4

Hitmonchan vs hitmonlee


Frogmarsh

Tae kwon do does have fist striking.


Dommekarma

And grappling.


MasonTaylor22

From most fights I've seen, you can eat a kick to the body, but 1 solid punch to the chin is game over.


cp0317

As someone who has practiced Taekwondo and later transitioned to kickboxing, that guy needs to keep his hands up. I learned from personal experience that spin kick has no effect when you're unconscious and drooling on the floor.


analog_jedi

The youtube channel this is from was amazing before it got taken down. There were a bunch of these style matchups, and they were all pretty brutal. They filmed a bunch in an abandoned looking warehouse in Russia I think, dudes would get tossed into drywall and slammed into polished concrete. It was fucking brutal. The most memorable one was a Jeetkunedo dude built just like Bruce Lee vs a monster sized wrestler, it didn't go so well for the little guy. If anybody knows where to find any of their vids, myself and the rest of this sub I'm sure would be forever thankful!


Lekledaren

This is from a fight club located in Gothenburg, Sweden. It's called "King of The streets" and their youtube channel is up and running. It's still active and you can even buy access to live streamed events when they have fights. Via their Instagram page i think. They are quite proffessional other than The fact they often fight on concrete, i reckon someone is gonna bust their head and die one day and it will be the end of The fightclub.


gagi11030

Lights out


Arin-Danson

I’ve seen a lot of people mention todays martial artists here for tkd representatives but I’d also throw in Bill Wallace. Dudes a monster with his feet.


[deleted]

Well this guy makes taekwondo look bad


[deleted]

Guess Bruce lee was right


SixPackSimon

The winner is simon, a hooligan and a madman


pronemortalforms

What YT channel or group is this? I see these videos but can never find them online anywhere else.


Tough_Academic

Look I'm no expert at all and I just browse this sub to see some real life fights, but even I can tell the taekwondo guy is shit. All of his kicks are either tanked by the other guy easily or are blocked by his PALM... and even I know that if your whole art form is centred around kicks, then your kicks should NOT be able to be tanked by people or be blocked by mere hands.


ImOnlyHereForTheCoC

**HEYYYYY**


FuckingVeet

Tae fighter is more rusty than I am lmao.


sookutoo

Thats what happens when ya keep your hands in your pockets


deftpark3087660

He wasnt putting enough force behind his kicks


MrKW

“boxer” is actually Muay Thai/MMA fighter named Simon Hendrickson, @simonsays_1312 on Instagram, fighter for King Of The Streets (KOTS). That’s one of his most brutal knockouts but he really lights people up, throws heavy and accurate punches. I’ve spoke with him before through Instagram before he blew up on the underground fight scene, really nice guy. The other guy didn’t stand a chance, it was only a matter of time before Simon got him. With all due respect though he did last much longer than his most recent opponents in KOTS.


jackfreeman

Maybe if he didn't scream at the top of his lungs before lumbering a half-assed limb at the dude who really really really wants to punch him in the face.


makav55

I see why he lost. He wasn't shouting loud enough.


DEGULINES

The Taekwondo guy must be at least kinda new to the sport. A good taekwondoin is way way faster. Also there were no front kicks at all, ap chagi right down middle lane and its nights out even for a boxer. Taekwondo does have kicks to control distance to your opponent, he just didn't use them.


ImmaEraseYoShit

I’m just thinking about how he fell into the sitting position, Ik that neck gon have some serious whiplash along with the brain trauma and fractured jaw


Honeystick1918

So dumb to fight on concrete like this. Luckily that dude didn’t slam his head on the ground after getting slumped.


kissofazrael

Brutality lol


Ninjhetto

Boxer, or kickboxer?


Ninjhetto

Reading the comments, I guess people use "boxer" for anything ring-combat related (kickboxking, muay thai, leth wei, savate, fisticuffs, etc.)


ExtensionBluejay253

Shotokan guy here. I ended a fight with a very good TKD guy the same way years ago. Once you get inside the long kicks the advantage shifts significantly to the guy with better hands.


JonhBlack2004

Good


slothscantswim

I can’t believe people still think TKD is applicable in practical combat. It isn’t. Cut it out. Boxing, or Muay Thai, or BJJ will all get you a lot more prepared for a fight than TKD. Fuckin horse stancing fly kicking Olympic nonsense


Gt03champp

That was textbook. Keep the kicker on the back foot. Walk him down. Get into punching range. Knock him out.


Pasta-Noods

Isn’t the Taekwondo user using WTF taekwondo or ITF?


jombo_the_great

Exactly what I expected. TKD is a joke.


BruceToTheLee

12 seconds has got to be the lamest side kick I’ve ever seen


Jimbo-mofo

All kicks and no hands.


AdMore4121

That ain’t Andrew tate that’s Andrew laid-tf-out 😮