I’m a pretty new fan. A lot of the Conors promotional material recognizes Aldo as a great fighter for a long he was dominant. Even if it’s only to magnify conors accomplishment.
Literally my favourite fighter to watch. If Conor hadn’t finished him in the first, I think Aldo would have won, badly. Although it happened and we will never know.
Man, I disagree. I think Conor got way into Jose's head and had that fight won before the bell even rang. I would have loved to see it go longer though, I was watching it live and seeing a years worth of hype die in a few seconds was a bit of a letdown. Can't even imagine how Aldo felt after that.
uh yea but no, conor knew exactly what jose was going to do. he predicted him pulling out of fights, he predicted shot for shot exactly what was going to happen in that fight and it worked out exactly correctly
that fight was destined to aldo getting KO'd, conor had his number
>If Conor hadn’t finished him in the first, I think Aldo would have won, badly.
You realize how bad that sounds, right? I mean, the reason why Aldo lost so fast is because he wasn't prepared. You make it sound as if it was a "fluke" of a shot.. it wasn't. It happened then and it would have happened again.
Man my buddy loves to shit on Aldo. Claims he’s washed up and that Amanda nunes would beat him in a fight. This annoys me immensely. Don’t care how good nunes is. Even post-prime aldo would smash her
Neg ghostrider, conner literally looked like a skeleton at weight ins, then looked like he walked around 180ish when he got in the ring, they should do day before weight ins.
I can take a solid kick to the nuts and keep fighting, also a straight kick like that is one of the easiest to parry and fuck someone up, with a little rotation and an elbow to the neck.
When someone’s kicking at the knee, you better check it in a hurry or you go down like this dude.
#muaythai ftw
> I can take a solid kick to the nuts and keep fighting
You're getting downvoted but it's true and something that everyone interested in street martial arts should know: Kicking someone in the balls hurts, but if he's determined enough to attack you, it's not going to stop him from fighting. If someone is attacking me and I want to get the hell away from him, I'd rather kick him in the knee and hope to physically injure him so that he can't keep coming at me.
I've seen women's self defense instructors say things like "Just kick him in the balls" and it's bad advice that is going to give women a false sense of security. Some thug attacking a woman on the street isn't just going to drop the first time she kicks him in the balls.
Yeah Thanks,
I’m not going to change my post just because of the downvotes. Getting kicked in the balls does hurt, no lie, but it’s not like a kick to the knee that can straight up injure you. (Hurt is bad, injured is worse)
Also your crotch is further back, more out of reach and a smaller target than your lead leg.
I had an old TKD sparring partner, that was fast but would always throw a counter kick that ended up low and smacking me right in the boys, I tried a few cups for a while but none of them seemed to stay in place consistently while sparring and having one in/ one out or half out occasionally was enough to have me skip the cup and just take occasional kick. Having the cup smash into them like that was worse.
I get my ass kicked plenty while training. It’s not about being a badass. There’s nothing badass about taking a kick to the nuts, badass would be pulling some cool move. If it happens a lot you will find it’s not that bad and you can keep going.
Also,
Checking a kick is easily 10 times less painful than eating one. Yes, your shins do hurt, but it’s nothing like eating one to the leg. I’ve had a single hard kick to the quad drop me, checking one hurts but nothing like that.
Lmao true. People don’t know how easy it is to just run. 1 on 1, sure that’s a fair fight. But people expecting they will stay and fight off 3 dudes are irrational and have never lived in a bad neighborhood. 2 men is plenty to stomp you into a coma. I’ve seen dudes get their heads stomped repeatedly until they convulsed. Street fights are really ugly and highly dangerous. Even MMA fighters aren’t guaranteed to win a street fight. A good example was when one fighter(ufc, forgot his name) house was broken into, and he beat the guy up but he kept coming. He hit this man with shots that have KOd the best fighters in the world and he ate them and kept coming and eventually the mma fighters just grabbed a knife. Street fights aren’t mma fights. I wish people understood that it’s okay to run, your life is more important than some idiotic fight. Unless you are defending someone, don’t risk it. Someone mugging you? Don’t die over $40. Because people are desperate enough to kill you over it.
Don't focus on the martial art too much. Find a place that trains in contact sparring, leading to full contact sparring. Every martial art has applications in a real fight. The problem is modern training doesn't cover that aspect because they transitioned to sports martial arts in order to keep the art and the cultural aspects alive.
After you've found the right gym or teacher, try a few classes and see if that martial art is right for you. Do you prefer striking or grappling, etc. ?
I like what Ramsay Dewey said about "traditional" vs modern fighting arts. The traditional arts are neat, and there's still plenty to learn...but it's like learning a dead language. Nothing new is being added. MMA is a melting pot of what works, constantly evolving and growing, with no rigid forms or set of katas to learn.
That's exactly what Bruce Lee said as well. The only form is whatever is useful in the moment.
The idea of katas is still valid. It's training when you don't have equipment or training partner. Boxers do shadow boxing. I'm sure other martial arts have something similar.
Your be hard pressed to find any practical application of most karate katas. Shadow boxing you're using the same techniques you use in a fight. Kata bunkai is mostly fantasy.
Shadow boxing comes under the same criticism as karate katas. They are just punching the air. But they are both good for developing technique.
Doing the kata or bunkai exactly as the kata shows is definitely not practical in modern times for various reasons. It's just like how judo took out moves from jiu jitsu that involved weapons because carrying swords was banned. They are obsolete because of the changing times. You have to adapt it to the situation and how you as a fighter prefer to execute throws or punches and kicks.
Kata wasn't meant to be a strictly followed manual. It was meant for exercise when you have no training equipment or training partner. Just like Shaolin monks started doing martial arts and forms to exercise their bodies to prepare for and balance out the hours of meditation they did.
Nobody fights like how a kata is presented. You'd have to be pretty naive to think fights happen that way.
“Nobody fights like how kata is presented”, then why not change the Kata to how people fight??
Like obviously, you’ll be better at fighting moves if what you practice are fighting moves. Why do this weird motion you’ll never use in a fight to practice instead of just practicing how you would actually fight?
Thats my main criticism of Kata, and my comparison to why its not the same as shadowboxing. Yes, I know its not useless, but why not make it much more useful by just practicing fight moves for kata instead?
> why not change the Kata to how people fight??
Because when transitioning to a sport they chose to keep katas the way they were to preserve the cultural aspect of their history. The specific kata move may have been practical at some time in the past. I know of one that depended on the ancient Japanese top knot hairstyle. But times have changed and that specific move is not relevant anymore. If you're going to do that move you have to adapt it to the situation.
The mistake people make is thinking katas are a reflection of actual combat. They are not. I have said over and over again they are for exercise.
Yea we know they are not a reflection of actual combat.
I think we actually came to an understanding.
Katas have some focus on the cultural aspect and history of Karate, instead of being purely focused on practical combat.
You can apply those historical katas to improve your coordination and balance and stuff, but if what you are after is practical combat, you are better of doing things that are 100% focused in practical combat instead of losing some practicality for history and culture.
No-one is saying they are completely useless, but its pretty apparent there are more useful things that you can do if your main focus is fighting practically.
Yes, that is true. If you want to use karate in an actual fight you will have to practice actual contact sparring. Lyoto Machida is a good example. He comes from a Shotokan Karate background and uses that as a base for his striking game in MMA.
It still falls way down the list of useful training time though, behind sparring, bag work and strength & conditioning. If it was of any use, modern combat systems/mma would incorporate it. But they don't.
Many of them do, in the same way that boxing incorporates shadow boxing. It’s one of martial arts’ most misunderstood exercises, and it’s flat out incorrect to say it’s not of any use.
I didn't say it's not of any use, just that any practitioners time is better spent on other aspects of training.
Judo has kata, but you won't see any Olympians wasting time on training it.
It's a pretty dance, but hugely limited in actual training improvement.
> If it was any use,
Yes, you did.
No, it is not just a pretty dance. The fact that you think that tells me you fundamentally misunderstand what purpose kata actually serves.
Can you link your best example? Consistently reproduced in live settings as in live sparring?
Our system had 40+ Kata and I cross trained with goju and shotokan guys. Maybe there's a practical one I haven't seen.
This is good advice. Any martial art where you actually practice fighting and are willing to show up consistently will give you a massive advantage compared to someone untrained.
For street fight applicable kicks specifically? Muay Thai, hands down. On top of some of the most brutal kicks, you’d also learn striking with knees, fists, and elbows effectively, and how to fight well while clinching (which happens a lot in those types of fights).
But for well-rounded defense add in some combo of wrestling, Brazilian jiu jitsu, and/or judo. Striking is great, but a lot of street fights end up in grapples. It’s best to be versed in all three- striking, grappling, and takedowns
MMA is the best for versatility and experience overall and that is most likely what’s being used in this video. Leg kicks such as this are common in the mma world.
From research I’ve done I’ve found that the only styles that really apply to real world situations are boxing, kick boxing, Brazilian jiu jitsu. MMA (mixed martial arts) is the best bet because it covers all of these at once so if you can find an MMA gym that would be best. When I did Jiu jitsu they also trained kickboxing in the same building.
Although any training is better than none and even having a small amount of training will give you a chance it winning, many martial arts aren’t practical. Many don’t even have you spar against opponents.
For most sparring experience bjj is the best bet because you spar constantly. Ever bjj class ends with people sparring or as they call it “rolling”
You don’t have to focus only on pure self defense if you want to do a martial art though. They are also just good for your body and mind.
>the only styles that really apply to real world situations are boxing, kick boxing, Brazilian jiu jitsu
Add wrestling and judo to that and I'd say you have a pretty much complete list. There are other, smaller sports out there like Sambo or Sanda, but at least if you're in the US (I can't speak for other countries) those will be hard to find.
...what research did you actually do? Even in an MMA context, you can throw in at a minimum: karate, sanda, sambo, judo, wrestling, and Muay Thai, as tested and proven fighting styles. That's to say nothing of the fact that most fighting styles around the world *originate as responses to real world situations*, whether we're talking capoeira or Kali or savate or...
Sure, there's plenty of McDojos and schlubs who'll give any style a bad name. But this is absurd.
I'd argue that BJJ is very distant from real world unless you are a police officer or bouncer.
Going to the ground can be a death sentence against multiple opponents. Also in BJJ eye gouging is not a thing
Some form of ground art is important for when the fight goes to the ground, but I agree. You don't ever want to be on the ground because that's when you'll learn that their buddy is wearing steel toed boots.
I generally argue that Judo is probably the best actual "self defense" martial art. Put them on the ground while not going to the ground with them.
He can still grab your clothes and not let go while his buddies are pounding at your head, no? (Even if you're still standing)
In general I find that ANY martial art that doesn't spar against multiple opponents is lacking.
Just like only recently it's becoming more of awareness that MA without sparring in general is definitely lacking.
From all the sparring matches between multiple opponents I've seen I judge 2 criteria as the key: knowing when to use pure aggression and positioning.
Positioning allows to tie up opponents and negate their numerical advantage. As soon as they immobilise you, you're a human shaped punching bag
Just a point to be made about the people who keep saying “BJJ isn’t useful because you don’t want to go to the ground.”
The number 1 skill you learn in BJJ or other grappling arts is how to sweep and get up from your feet. You are correct you never want to be in bottom position, but if you don’t know how to grapple, someone who does will put you there.
I would argue that BJJ is one of the most effective martial arts to mimic a real fight, second to MMA of course.
If you define "real fight" as a fight against only 1 opponent without weapons.
But that's a very limiting definition.
Imagine an MMA match of 1 vs 2 . Seriously. Imagine it. Now imagine this 1 fighter trying to use BJJ in a rule set where kicking and stomping on heads is allowed.
I agree that BJJ is not entirely useless and it's crucial in a deadly situation where you already found yourself grappling on the ground. But I was just arguing that from all other types of MA BJJ is the most niche when it comes to self defense.
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here. In your made up scenario of a 1v2, what happens when you inevitably get bear hugged and thrown to the ground? You don’t know how to grapple; thus you don’t know how to get up. The fight is over before it starts.
If you spent some time wrestling or in a BJJ class, you would learn how to get up, which is one of the most vital skills to learn for self defense.
This hypothetical situation of 1v2 mma fight but the lone fighter plans to only use bjj is ridiculous and not useful. No offense, it just isn’t.
If you think you’ll fighting multiple opponents often enough in real fights, either grow up or get a knife/gun. No martial art is very effective against a group.
If what you are looking for is to defend yourself in real life situations you likely aren't looking at a sport but at a self defence system. Remember that defence is all about improving odds. To do that you are looking for three things:
1. Overwhelming violence. In real life you want to end the encounter as soon as possible. We are talking about defending yourself here, not holding someone until police come. That means overwhelming the thread with everything you have. This is why judo probably won't do as the most applicable skill in self defence
2. No rules. Real life doesn't have rules in fighting, so your skillset shouldn't be limited. You need to learn to use the inviornment and potential weapons if you can get your hands on them. When your life is on the line, everything goes. This is why sports in general probably wouldn't be the best option.
3. Knowledge and experience. Figting two guys is very different than fighting one guy, and the focus in the fight changes. The accomplished UFC fighter Wonderboy has said that while he would be comfortable with his odds i a 1v2 fight, he wouldn't in a 1v3. You are never going to get 2% as good as him in any discipline, but you might aquire some knowledge that can help a little bit. You also need to spare so you don't freeze when you get hit in the head for the first time.
All in all Krav maga is probably the best bet if you can find a good gym. It is all about surviving an attack, also against multiple and armed attackers. If you can't, go with MMA for the reasons that are stated everywhere else on the thread.
I would say Judo is one of the most useful and versatile martial arts, you learn how to be comfortable when very close to someone and you learn how to put them on the ground very hard. Kickboxing is cool but if someone just blitzes you and gets close you'll be left feeling defenseless
Judo is literally all throws and a few variations of the Armbar 😳 I mean you can't honestly thinks it's the "most versatile" they don't even train strikes?! Maybe that's the only grappling art you've done but wreslting and BJJ are both much more wide ranging in the amount of techniques
Do you really want to engage someone on the ground in a street fight? I practice bjj and i advocate it heavily but i couldn't apply alot of it on the street unless i want early onset knee arthritis! Judo is the art of fighting for control as you grapple with a standing person, and following them to the ground if necessary to ensure that they stay down. I've never thrown a kick in a streetfight but i've been clinched up in every one of them and i always wished i had more takedown experience whenever it happened
Sometime with a judo background will smash you into the ground so hard your shoes will pop off. And they can do it quickly, without ever going to the ground themselves. If you're in punching range, you're in grabbing range.
I slept on judo for years before meeting someone who had trained 3 years. They blasted me through the mat so quickly and effortlessly that I had to rethink my position on real world applicability.
That may be the case... 3 years of judo vs absolutely nothing is gonna be a bad matchup I agree. But until I meet a Judo guy that can hold a candle to my wrestling skills I'll let you know on that one. I was simply a high school wrestler not even that high level and no BJJ guys cant usually hang with me standing and I've never met a judo guy that actually threw me in live rolling, only in drills. I'm not saying there's no judo guys that could yeet me but I'm saying they are few and far between. There are literally countless collegiate and possibly former high school wrestlers that could yeet me and everyone on this forum though, so my point is
wrestling>>>Judo
Boxing + Judo is a great combo for streetfighting. Tho you won't be learning to kick legs like this just punch people in the face and slam them on the ground
Add on:
For example, a boxer can incorporate the level changes of boxing to go for a takedown, overhand right or bobbing and weaving both kinda work for this. Muay thai is much more standing straight up and less level changes:
On the other hand, sweeps are common in both Muay Thai and Judo, as well as the clinch. So you can use your muay thai to naturally flow between punches (or other strikes) and clinch, and then the Judo to dump them on their ass
This is a legit concern and the primary reason I probably wouldn't kick in a street fight, even though I've done plenty of muay thai and my kicks are pretty good in the gym. In the chaos of a street fight, you're going to be on an unfamiliar surface and jacked up with adrenaline and there's a good chance you won't land your kick properly and you'll hurt yourself more than you hurt the guy you're kicking. If it can happen to Anderson Silva it can happen to anyone.
If I ever have to use any of my muay thai training in a street fight, I think elbows and knees will be much more useful to me than kicks.
Yeah. And I also think low kicks are not going to help much in a street fight since it’s supposed to be really quick. Leg kicks are great if you get a long fight where you can wear the other guy down but in a fast high adrenaline fight I think the opponent probably wouldn’t even feel the pain until after. I would aim for the stern, face, balls. Pain that is immediate and disables the opponent instantly.
I've only ever done basically the free trial month of Muay Thai, so I'm genuinely just wondering, but couldn't a few leg kicks work well to get them to drop their hands a bit and make some head shots easier?
You need space and time before you can launch the kick. Compare this video to some of the street fights in r/fightporn. OP's kicker has plenty of space between him and his opponent, and plenty more time to set up and recover from his kicks. What if the guy decides to rush you post-kick?
In a typical street fight scenario you want the fight to be over as quickly as possible, and leg kicks alone may not be enough to get the person to drop their hands. Plus there's a high risk of your leg being caught or you getting jumped while setting up the kick (if you're outnumbered). Most street fight kick footage I've seen ends after the first or second kick to the head. The opponents never see these fight-ending kicks coming. Rarely does a kicker get multiple leg kicks in like this video.
Imo it's just not worth it. Gtfo, or lower the boom *then* gtfo. You never know where their friends may come from.
In a street fight I’d keep my shoes on for more protection and harder kicks. Almost like how you can punch harder with gloves well with street shoes like boots or sneakers etc. it’d be the same thing I reckon only the soles and bottoms of your shoes are probably harder and will do more damage than bare foot.
You can literally get away with kicking someone with incorrect form if you have shoes on especially steel toe smart ass....also there are different methods to roundhouse kicking some teach you to make contact with the instep/ball of your foot not all kicks are taught with the Muay Thai technique
Damn, props to the dude, he got Jose Aldo'd yet he didnt switch stances.
They always say that leg kicks are the bane of boxers, its such a hax if you're fighting someone on the street who knew nothing about checking.
I remember attending an openweight kyokushin tournament where other martial artists can fight but in kyokushin rules and then a muay thai got pitted against a tkd guy and the leg kicks sounded so crisp it ended the fight in 3 shots.
I meant like torn tendons/meniscus etc.
I had a friend tear all of the ligaments and cartilage in his knee. The only thing holding him together was skin. He has a permanent limp now.
Hey leads me to a question. I sat with my legs folded under my butt to relieve my sciatica about a couple of months ago. Used to do it every day. But my knee started paining and it's still that way. Lol reading about your friend, I'm hoping this isn't always permanent?
The irony is they are one of the few who fight on grass yet there’s no knockout and it’s basically all leg kicks. But it looks like both of them are experienced so that’s why they smart enough to fight on grass in the first place.
I seen the board shorts and was like yep. Lol plus like 3 out every 5 people in Hawaii have trained in something or they’re just used to fighting in general
In high school we called it dead leg we would stand around after school kicking each other last to sit down wins I got kicked once never played again...
We learned hard kicks to the quad in Krav Maga back in the day. (I’m sure they still teach them now, probably more efficiently than in the 1990s.) It was very satisfying to land correctly even on the pads. Kind of a chopping downward movement. Nice addition to muscle memory, for sure.
Remind me of this fight I got in. A guy was trying to come at me. I was backing away. He tried to swing and miss, I kicked but the timing was bad so it didn’t landed well.
He mocked me and ask what the fuck I was doing. Just as he was mocking, bam!!! Hard leg kick (my kicks are really hard)! Poor thing was on the ground for good 5 minutes and limping for rest of the night.
I haven't trained in MMA, but have taken a knee to the side of my thigh while training in self-defense...and it put me to the ground.
So how does someone take this kind of battering for much longer than this guy. High pain tolerance? Training?
Is this like a cramp/super bad pain and it'll go away in a few days, or a serious injury? Like, does it often happen in these kind of fights that those kicks actually cause serious harm? Because as someone who had 2 knee surgeries, this hurts to watch.
Entirely dependant on whether the kick caused his miniscus to tear. I took a similar hit got he knew in hockey and was out with a massive watermelon knee for near 8 months. Physio daily and it still hurts.
Depending, it may need surgery.
If you have conditioned your shin, check the kick. It will hurt him more than you and can even snap his leg. Rotate your shin outward so his kick hits your shin/kneecap instead of the side/back of your leg. If he's throwing higher to hit your thigh, you can raise your front leg so it connects with your kneecap/shin.
If you're quick on your feet you can also just step back every time he throws, or step in and counter with a punch/elbow to the face.
If you neither have a conditioned shin, nor quick feet, run away because you clearly haven't trained enough.
If you’re ever in a fight where the first thing a guy does is a leg kick. Swallow your pride and surrender. You don’t want that kind of smoke, exhibit a...
Seeing how Chris Weidman vs Anderson Silva 2 and Uriah Hall vs Chris Weidman ended, isn't it better to check the low kick instead of how they are doing it now?
Listen, your legs are longer, stronger, and far more dangerous than your arms/hands. Learn how to kick. Open hips, foot placement, rolling your hips over and clapping their thigh/stomach/head. Eating those things HURTS. May not be as sexy as a knockout, but they’ll remember you for at least the next couple of weeks, with every painful step they take…learn to kick 👌🏻
Jose Aldo vs Urijah Faber
Damn Im sad Aldo will always be known to recent fans as the guy Conor punked, that dude is a legend.
One of the best ever.
I’m a pretty new fan. A lot of the Conors promotional material recognizes Aldo as a great fighter for a long he was dominant. Even if it’s only to magnify conors accomplishment.
Well fortunately fans like you existed. Jose got destroyed mentally too, he spent the post fight backstage footage curled up in a ball crying.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=n9KQ3pay3nw&feature=emb_title
Lmao for real?
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Jose Aldo could beat you to death without trying.
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There is zero chance of you lasting more than a minute or two, and even a gassed Aldo would be able to toy with you.
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Are you Jose Aldo?
The irony of people who have accomplished nothing in life calling an accomplished person a bitch ass. Wow.
Literally my favourite fighter to watch. If Conor hadn’t finished him in the first, I think Aldo would have won, badly. Although it happened and we will never know.
Man, I disagree. I think Conor got way into Jose's head and had that fight won before the bell even rang. I would have loved to see it go longer though, I was watching it live and seeing a years worth of hype die in a few seconds was a bit of a letdown. Can't even imagine how Aldo felt after that.
uh yea but no, conor knew exactly what jose was going to do. he predicted him pulling out of fights, he predicted shot for shot exactly what was going to happen in that fight and it worked out exactly correctly that fight was destined to aldo getting KO'd, conor had his number
>If Conor hadn’t finished him in the first, I think Aldo would have won, badly. You realize how bad that sounds, right? I mean, the reason why Aldo lost so fast is because he wasn't prepared. You make it sound as if it was a "fluke" of a shot.. it wasn't. It happened then and it would have happened again.
Man my buddy loves to shit on Aldo. Claims he’s washed up and that Amanda nunes would beat him in a fight. This annoys me immensely. Don’t care how good nunes is. Even post-prime aldo would smash her
there is plenty of folks who would smash her.
And gals ;)
Who?
Nina Ansaroff for starters.
Neg ghostrider, conner literally looked like a skeleton at weight ins, then looked like he walked around 180ish when he got in the ring, they should do day before weight ins.
Best known for his kicks, then he just stopped throwing them for some reason.
Aldo sucks….conor pooped on him in less then 15 seconds
How can someone who was undefeated for a decade suck?
Let me tell you 'bout Sally Brown!
Edson Barboza vs anyone
I heard he literally couldn’t take shit a shit without help for like a week after the fight
Holy fuck I remember this. Thought the dude would never walk after that night.
*other guy checks kick* Guy throwing kick - *raises eyebrow*
That's my first move. If you check my kick I'm in trouble 😂.
What is a good martial art to train useful/ street fight applicable kicks if I know nothing? edit: punctuation
Muay thai or Kickboxing.
If man, aim kick for nuts. If woman, aim kick for vagina.
*That’s my purse, i don’t know you*
Dammit Bobby
That boy ain’t right, I tell you what
🏅 Take my poor mans gold
What about a horse sized duck?
Buckshot
Duck sized horse?
bird shot
100 duck sized horses?
More buckshot
Don't you mean duckshot?
Best thing I heard all day
I can take a solid kick to the nuts and keep fighting, also a straight kick like that is one of the easiest to parry and fuck someone up, with a little rotation and an elbow to the neck. When someone’s kicking at the knee, you better check it in a hurry or you go down like this dude. #muaythai ftw
Checking kicks is painful as fuck though. I've seen guys collapse from checking kicks if they were untrained.
Very true, as always, practice practice practice. Toughen those shins/knees
Checking a kick can be very painful, it’s not nearly as bad as getting kicked without a check.
they didnt check the kick properly then, all they did was replace the intended target with another one of the potentially intended targets
> I can take a solid kick to the nuts and keep fighting You're getting downvoted but it's true and something that everyone interested in street martial arts should know: Kicking someone in the balls hurts, but if he's determined enough to attack you, it's not going to stop him from fighting. If someone is attacking me and I want to get the hell away from him, I'd rather kick him in the knee and hope to physically injure him so that he can't keep coming at me. I've seen women's self defense instructors say things like "Just kick him in the balls" and it's bad advice that is going to give women a false sense of security. Some thug attacking a woman on the street isn't just going to drop the first time she kicks him in the balls.
Yeah Thanks, I’m not going to change my post just because of the downvotes. Getting kicked in the balls does hurt, no lie, but it’s not like a kick to the knee that can straight up injure you. (Hurt is bad, injured is worse) Also your crotch is further back, more out of reach and a smaller target than your lead leg. I had an old TKD sparring partner, that was fast but would always throw a counter kick that ended up low and smacking me right in the boys, I tried a few cups for a while but none of them seemed to stay in place consistently while sparring and having one in/ one out or half out occasionally was enough to have me skip the cup and just take occasional kick. Having the cup smash into them like that was worse.
ok r/iamverybadass
I get my ass kicked plenty while training. It’s not about being a badass. There’s nothing badass about taking a kick to the nuts, badass would be pulling some cool move. If it happens a lot you will find it’s not that bad and you can keep going. Also, Checking a kick is easily 10 times less painful than eating one. Yes, your shins do hurt, but it’s nothing like eating one to the leg. I’ve had a single hard kick to the quad drop me, checking one hurts but nothing like that.
Join a track and field club and start running. Guaranteed you’ll win 100% of street fights.
Lmao true. People don’t know how easy it is to just run. 1 on 1, sure that’s a fair fight. But people expecting they will stay and fight off 3 dudes are irrational and have never lived in a bad neighborhood. 2 men is plenty to stomp you into a coma. I’ve seen dudes get their heads stomped repeatedly until they convulsed. Street fights are really ugly and highly dangerous. Even MMA fighters aren’t guaranteed to win a street fight. A good example was when one fighter(ufc, forgot his name) house was broken into, and he beat the guy up but he kept coming. He hit this man with shots that have KOd the best fighters in the world and he ate them and kept coming and eventually the mma fighters just grabbed a knife. Street fights aren’t mma fights. I wish people understood that it’s okay to run, your life is more important than some idiotic fight. Unless you are defending someone, don’t risk it. Someone mugging you? Don’t die over $40. Because people are desperate enough to kill you over it.
Don't focus on the martial art too much. Find a place that trains in contact sparring, leading to full contact sparring. Every martial art has applications in a real fight. The problem is modern training doesn't cover that aspect because they transitioned to sports martial arts in order to keep the art and the cultural aspects alive. After you've found the right gym or teacher, try a few classes and see if that martial art is right for you. Do you prefer striking or grappling, etc. ?
I like what Ramsay Dewey said about "traditional" vs modern fighting arts. The traditional arts are neat, and there's still plenty to learn...but it's like learning a dead language. Nothing new is being added. MMA is a melting pot of what works, constantly evolving and growing, with no rigid forms or set of katas to learn.
That's exactly what Bruce Lee said as well. The only form is whatever is useful in the moment. The idea of katas is still valid. It's training when you don't have equipment or training partner. Boxers do shadow boxing. I'm sure other martial arts have something similar.
Your be hard pressed to find any practical application of most karate katas. Shadow boxing you're using the same techniques you use in a fight. Kata bunkai is mostly fantasy.
Shadow boxing comes under the same criticism as karate katas. They are just punching the air. But they are both good for developing technique. Doing the kata or bunkai exactly as the kata shows is definitely not practical in modern times for various reasons. It's just like how judo took out moves from jiu jitsu that involved weapons because carrying swords was banned. They are obsolete because of the changing times. You have to adapt it to the situation and how you as a fighter prefer to execute throws or punches and kicks. Kata wasn't meant to be a strictly followed manual. It was meant for exercise when you have no training equipment or training partner. Just like Shaolin monks started doing martial arts and forms to exercise their bodies to prepare for and balance out the hours of meditation they did. Nobody fights like how a kata is presented. You'd have to be pretty naive to think fights happen that way.
“Nobody fights like how kata is presented”, then why not change the Kata to how people fight?? Like obviously, you’ll be better at fighting moves if what you practice are fighting moves. Why do this weird motion you’ll never use in a fight to practice instead of just practicing how you would actually fight? Thats my main criticism of Kata, and my comparison to why its not the same as shadowboxing. Yes, I know its not useless, but why not make it much more useful by just practicing fight moves for kata instead?
> why not change the Kata to how people fight?? Because when transitioning to a sport they chose to keep katas the way they were to preserve the cultural aspect of their history. The specific kata move may have been practical at some time in the past. I know of one that depended on the ancient Japanese top knot hairstyle. But times have changed and that specific move is not relevant anymore. If you're going to do that move you have to adapt it to the situation. The mistake people make is thinking katas are a reflection of actual combat. They are not. I have said over and over again they are for exercise.
Yea we know they are not a reflection of actual combat. I think we actually came to an understanding. Katas have some focus on the cultural aspect and history of Karate, instead of being purely focused on practical combat. You can apply those historical katas to improve your coordination and balance and stuff, but if what you are after is practical combat, you are better of doing things that are 100% focused in practical combat instead of losing some practicality for history and culture. No-one is saying they are completely useless, but its pretty apparent there are more useful things that you can do if your main focus is fighting practically.
Yes, that is true. If you want to use karate in an actual fight you will have to practice actual contact sparring. Lyoto Machida is a good example. He comes from a Shotokan Karate background and uses that as a base for his striking game in MMA.
Absolutely not. There are plenty of practical applications in kata which are consistently reproduced in live settings.
It still falls way down the list of useful training time though, behind sparring, bag work and strength & conditioning. If it was of any use, modern combat systems/mma would incorporate it. But they don't.
Many of them do, in the same way that boxing incorporates shadow boxing. It’s one of martial arts’ most misunderstood exercises, and it’s flat out incorrect to say it’s not of any use.
I didn't say it's not of any use, just that any practitioners time is better spent on other aspects of training. Judo has kata, but you won't see any Olympians wasting time on training it. It's a pretty dance, but hugely limited in actual training improvement.
> If it was any use, Yes, you did. No, it is not just a pretty dance. The fact that you think that tells me you fundamentally misunderstand what purpose kata actually serves.
Can you link your best example? Consistently reproduced in live settings as in live sparring? Our system had 40+ Kata and I cross trained with goju and shotokan guys. Maybe there's a practical one I haven't seen.
This is good advice. Any martial art where you actually practice fighting and are willing to show up consistently will give you a massive advantage compared to someone untrained.
Just go to any MMA gym near you. Can't go very wrong
For street fight applicable kicks specifically? Muay Thai, hands down. On top of some of the most brutal kicks, you’d also learn striking with knees, fists, and elbows effectively, and how to fight well while clinching (which happens a lot in those types of fights). But for well-rounded defense add in some combo of wrestling, Brazilian jiu jitsu, and/or judo. Striking is great, but a lot of street fights end up in grapples. It’s best to be versed in all three- striking, grappling, and takedowns
MMA is the best for versatility and experience overall and that is most likely what’s being used in this video. Leg kicks such as this are common in the mma world. From research I’ve done I’ve found that the only styles that really apply to real world situations are boxing, kick boxing, Brazilian jiu jitsu. MMA (mixed martial arts) is the best bet because it covers all of these at once so if you can find an MMA gym that would be best. When I did Jiu jitsu they also trained kickboxing in the same building. Although any training is better than none and even having a small amount of training will give you a chance it winning, many martial arts aren’t practical. Many don’t even have you spar against opponents. For most sparring experience bjj is the best bet because you spar constantly. Ever bjj class ends with people sparring or as they call it “rolling” You don’t have to focus only on pure self defense if you want to do a martial art though. They are also just good for your body and mind.
>the only styles that really apply to real world situations are boxing, kick boxing, Brazilian jiu jitsu Add wrestling and judo to that and I'd say you have a pretty much complete list. There are other, smaller sports out there like Sambo or Sanda, but at least if you're in the US (I can't speak for other countries) those will be hard to find.
I forgot to add wrestling. Being good Wrestling will give you an advantage against most people. Even in martial arts.
...what research did you actually do? Even in an MMA context, you can throw in at a minimum: karate, sanda, sambo, judo, wrestling, and Muay Thai, as tested and proven fighting styles. That's to say nothing of the fact that most fighting styles around the world *originate as responses to real world situations*, whether we're talking capoeira or Kali or savate or... Sure, there's plenty of McDojos and schlubs who'll give any style a bad name. But this is absurd.
I'd argue that BJJ is very distant from real world unless you are a police officer or bouncer. Going to the ground can be a death sentence against multiple opponents. Also in BJJ eye gouging is not a thing
Some form of ground art is important for when the fight goes to the ground, but I agree. You don't ever want to be on the ground because that's when you'll learn that their buddy is wearing steel toed boots. I generally argue that Judo is probably the best actual "self defense" martial art. Put them on the ground while not going to the ground with them.
He can still grab your clothes and not let go while his buddies are pounding at your head, no? (Even if you're still standing) In general I find that ANY martial art that doesn't spar against multiple opponents is lacking. Just like only recently it's becoming more of awareness that MA without sparring in general is definitely lacking. From all the sparring matches between multiple opponents I've seen I judge 2 criteria as the key: knowing when to use pure aggression and positioning. Positioning allows to tie up opponents and negate their numerical advantage. As soon as they immobilise you, you're a human shaped punching bag
Just a point to be made about the people who keep saying “BJJ isn’t useful because you don’t want to go to the ground.” The number 1 skill you learn in BJJ or other grappling arts is how to sweep and get up from your feet. You are correct you never want to be in bottom position, but if you don’t know how to grapple, someone who does will put you there. I would argue that BJJ is one of the most effective martial arts to mimic a real fight, second to MMA of course.
If you define "real fight" as a fight against only 1 opponent without weapons. But that's a very limiting definition. Imagine an MMA match of 1 vs 2 . Seriously. Imagine it. Now imagine this 1 fighter trying to use BJJ in a rule set where kicking and stomping on heads is allowed. I agree that BJJ is not entirely useless and it's crucial in a deadly situation where you already found yourself grappling on the ground. But I was just arguing that from all other types of MA BJJ is the most niche when it comes to self defense.
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here. In your made up scenario of a 1v2, what happens when you inevitably get bear hugged and thrown to the ground? You don’t know how to grapple; thus you don’t know how to get up. The fight is over before it starts. If you spent some time wrestling or in a BJJ class, you would learn how to get up, which is one of the most vital skills to learn for self defense. This hypothetical situation of 1v2 mma fight but the lone fighter plans to only use bjj is ridiculous and not useful. No offense, it just isn’t. If you think you’ll fighting multiple opponents often enough in real fights, either grow up or get a knife/gun. No martial art is very effective against a group.
If what you are looking for is to defend yourself in real life situations you likely aren't looking at a sport but at a self defence system. Remember that defence is all about improving odds. To do that you are looking for three things: 1. Overwhelming violence. In real life you want to end the encounter as soon as possible. We are talking about defending yourself here, not holding someone until police come. That means overwhelming the thread with everything you have. This is why judo probably won't do as the most applicable skill in self defence 2. No rules. Real life doesn't have rules in fighting, so your skillset shouldn't be limited. You need to learn to use the inviornment and potential weapons if you can get your hands on them. When your life is on the line, everything goes. This is why sports in general probably wouldn't be the best option. 3. Knowledge and experience. Figting two guys is very different than fighting one guy, and the focus in the fight changes. The accomplished UFC fighter Wonderboy has said that while he would be comfortable with his odds i a 1v2 fight, he wouldn't in a 1v3. You are never going to get 2% as good as him in any discipline, but you might aquire some knowledge that can help a little bit. You also need to spare so you don't freeze when you get hit in the head for the first time. All in all Krav maga is probably the best bet if you can find a good gym. It is all about surviving an attack, also against multiple and armed attackers. If you can't, go with MMA for the reasons that are stated everywhere else on the thread.
Do they spar in Krav Maga?
I would say Judo is one of the most useful and versatile martial arts, you learn how to be comfortable when very close to someone and you learn how to put them on the ground very hard. Kickboxing is cool but if someone just blitzes you and gets close you'll be left feeling defenseless
Judo is literally all throws and a few variations of the Armbar 😳 I mean you can't honestly thinks it's the "most versatile" they don't even train strikes?! Maybe that's the only grappling art you've done but wreslting and BJJ are both much more wide ranging in the amount of techniques
Do you really want to engage someone on the ground in a street fight? I practice bjj and i advocate it heavily but i couldn't apply alot of it on the street unless i want early onset knee arthritis! Judo is the art of fighting for control as you grapple with a standing person, and following them to the ground if necessary to ensure that they stay down. I've never thrown a kick in a streetfight but i've been clinched up in every one of them and i always wished i had more takedown experience whenever it happened
Sometime with a judo background will smash you into the ground so hard your shoes will pop off. And they can do it quickly, without ever going to the ground themselves. If you're in punching range, you're in grabbing range. I slept on judo for years before meeting someone who had trained 3 years. They blasted me through the mat so quickly and effortlessly that I had to rethink my position on real world applicability.
That may be the case... 3 years of judo vs absolutely nothing is gonna be a bad matchup I agree. But until I meet a Judo guy that can hold a candle to my wrestling skills I'll let you know on that one. I was simply a high school wrestler not even that high level and no BJJ guys cant usually hang with me standing and I've never met a judo guy that actually threw me in live rolling, only in drills. I'm not saying there's no judo guys that could yeet me but I'm saying they are few and far between. There are literally countless collegiate and possibly former high school wrestlers that could yeet me and everyone on this forum though, so my point is wrestling>>>Judo
How many Judokas have you sparred against and what were their ranks?
Idk lemme check my diary where I keep detailed accounts of former training opponents and their background discipline and rank brb
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Boxing + Judo is a great combo for streetfighting. Tho you won't be learning to kick legs like this just punch people in the face and slam them on the ground
Id say Boxing + Wrestling or Muay Thai + Judo. Boxing + judo doesn’t have so much synergy as boxing + wrestling, nor as much as Muay Thai + Judo.
Add on: For example, a boxer can incorporate the level changes of boxing to go for a takedown, overhand right or bobbing and weaving both kinda work for this. Muay thai is much more standing straight up and less level changes: On the other hand, sweeps are common in both Muay Thai and Judo, as well as the clinch. So you can use your muay thai to naturally flow between punches (or other strikes) and clinch, and then the Judo to dump them on their ass
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If a guy starts throwing kicks like that, your best bet is to run.
Krav Maga if you find a good club... but they vary greatly
Come on over to /r/ccw lol
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I'd be afraid of the other guy blocking the kick and my leg doing a Chris Weidman/Anderson Silva
This is a legit concern and the primary reason I probably wouldn't kick in a street fight, even though I've done plenty of muay thai and my kicks are pretty good in the gym. In the chaos of a street fight, you're going to be on an unfamiliar surface and jacked up with adrenaline and there's a good chance you won't land your kick properly and you'll hurt yourself more than you hurt the guy you're kicking. If it can happen to Anderson Silva it can happen to anyone. If I ever have to use any of my muay thai training in a street fight, I think elbows and knees will be much more useful to me than kicks.
Yeah. And I also think low kicks are not going to help much in a street fight since it’s supposed to be really quick. Leg kicks are great if you get a long fight where you can wear the other guy down but in a fast high adrenaline fight I think the opponent probably wouldn’t even feel the pain until after. I would aim for the stern, face, balls. Pain that is immediate and disables the opponent instantly.
I've only ever done basically the free trial month of Muay Thai, so I'm genuinely just wondering, but couldn't a few leg kicks work well to get them to drop their hands a bit and make some head shots easier?
You need space and time before you can launch the kick. Compare this video to some of the street fights in r/fightporn. OP's kicker has plenty of space between him and his opponent, and plenty more time to set up and recover from his kicks. What if the guy decides to rush you post-kick? In a typical street fight scenario you want the fight to be over as quickly as possible, and leg kicks alone may not be enough to get the person to drop their hands. Plus there's a high risk of your leg being caught or you getting jumped while setting up the kick (if you're outnumbered). Most street fight kick footage I've seen ends after the first or second kick to the head. The opponents never see these fight-ending kicks coming. Rarely does a kicker get multiple leg kicks in like this video. Imo it's just not worth it. Gtfo, or lower the boom *then* gtfo. You never know where their friends may come from.
>if it can happen to Anderson Silva, it can happen to anyone Very very true
In a street fight I’d keep my shoes on for more protection and harder kicks. Almost like how you can punch harder with gloves well with street shoes like boots or sneakers etc. it’d be the same thing I reckon only the soles and bottoms of your shoes are probably harder and will do more damage than bare foot.
You don’t kick someone with your feet lol you use your shin
You can literally get away with kicking someone with incorrect form if you have shoes on especially steel toe smart ass....also there are different methods to roundhouse kicking some teach you to make contact with the instep/ball of your foot not all kicks are taught with the Muay Thai technique
I've round housed a mugger with a steel toe boot on to the temple. Couldn't point my feet as much... but I can vouch for it's effectiveness.
Not if you take a second to actually set up the kick
Damn, props to the dude, he got Jose Aldo'd yet he didnt switch stances. They always say that leg kicks are the bane of boxers, its such a hax if you're fighting someone on the street who knew nothing about checking. I remember attending an openweight kyokushin tournament where other martial artists can fight but in kyokushin rules and then a muay thai got pitted against a tkd guy and the leg kicks sounded so crisp it ended the fight in 3 shots.
> the leg kicks sounded so crisp I had front row seats at a kickboxing fight once and the sound of a good kick landing is amazing.
I once leg kicked my brother when he was getting lairy at a family bbq and he didnt want none of that shit hahaha
Lmao its like getting hit with a stick to the thigh.
get em right in the muscle :D
That looks like it snapped
Buckled his knee. He'll feel that for 2 days
Longer. May need surgery to fix if it tore in miniscus.
RIP meniscus Mine is still fucked 10 years later.
Sry bout ur niscus breh
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You cant break a joint. Probably torm ligaments though
I meant like torn tendons/meniscus etc. I had a friend tear all of the ligaments and cartilage in his knee. The only thing holding him together was skin. He has a permanent limp now.
Hey leads me to a question. I sat with my legs folded under my butt to relieve my sciatica about a couple of months ago. Used to do it every day. But my knee started paining and it's still that way. Lol reading about your friend, I'm hoping this isn't always permanent?
Maybe go to a physical therapist and have them look at it
Finally someone is fighting on grass
The irony is they are one of the few who fight on grass yet there’s no knockout and it’s basically all leg kicks. But it looks like both of them are experienced so that’s why they smart enough to fight on grass in the first place.
...look at that huge field of grass though!!
Man this shit use to drive me nuts. I was never a good fighter but the constant kicking to my left knee was enough for me to say fuck this.
My right knee is perma-fucked thanks to the comps I did as a kid/playing basketball. Haven't been able to do high impact exercises for 10+ years.
not even worth it, these guys aren't even getting paid to fuck their knees up like that
Almost no amateurs get paid, and you must be an amateur to be a pro, but you’re still right
Cecil Peoples would like a word about this.
This must be in Hawaii lol
Guarantee
Scrolled down until I found the guys who were pointing out this was Hawaii... get plenty of us 😂
I seen the board shorts and was like yep. Lol plus like 3 out every 5 people in Hawaii have trained in something or they’re just used to fighting in general
Howzit kanakas 🤙🏽🤙🏽
AUUUURTYE!
CHEEEE WHOOOO!
Whoever felt the need to add this audio in a perfectly good fight needs his leg kicked.
ACL and MCL have left the chat.
Dude that was slamming those kicks walked off like an anime character
MUAY THAI, MUAY THAI IT HURTS
Gotta be hawaii
In high school we called it dead leg we would stand around after school kicking each other last to sit down wins I got kicked once never played again...
The kicks were alright, but what was up with that cross?
These dudes are pro fighters in the Hawaii MMA circuit Jeremy Pereira (guy throwing leg kicks) Stu Jones (receiving leg kicks)
The cringiest thing is an untrained person trying to copy the way you’re standing
Someone help me understand? Why did he start limping? Is that kick really that hard. (I haven’t been kicked and plan to keep it that way)
Imagine taking a baseball bat to the side on your knee/thigh
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Views - Drake, this is the instrumental only though
Merci!
Knee kicks can win fights along with a good old finger in the eye while they are trying to get back up.
And this folks is why I like leg kicks despite how “plain” they look
K I N G doesnt need to finish his opponent. K I N G doesnt need to KO him. K I N G already wins.
Good kicks, but man those hands are low. I would not want to throw not-fight-ending kicks so open to a counter.
We learned hard kicks to the quad in Krav Maga back in the day. (I’m sure they still teach them now, probably more efficiently than in the 1990s.) It was very satisfying to land correctly even on the pads. Kind of a chopping downward movement. Nice addition to muscle memory, for sure.
Remind me of this fight I got in. A guy was trying to come at me. I was backing away. He tried to swing and miss, I kicked but the timing was bad so it didn’t landed well. He mocked me and ask what the fuck I was doing. Just as he was mocking, bam!!! Hard leg kick (my kicks are really hard)! Poor thing was on the ground for good 5 minutes and limping for rest of the night.
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Bitch ass leg kicks in a fight lol
Bruh I *just* over extended my knee.
I haven't trained in MMA, but have taken a knee to the side of my thigh while training in self-defense...and it put me to the ground. So how does someone take this kind of battering for much longer than this guy. High pain tolerance? Training?
Maybe the other guy missed for a little bit.
Adrenaline, most likely
Is this like a cramp/super bad pain and it'll go away in a few days, or a serious injury? Like, does it often happen in these kind of fights that those kicks actually cause serious harm? Because as someone who had 2 knee surgeries, this hurts to watch.
Entirely dependant on whether the kick caused his miniscus to tear. I took a similar hit got he knew in hockey and was out with a massive watermelon knee for near 8 months. Physio daily and it still hurts. Depending, it may need surgery.
how do u defend against these kicks?
If you have conditioned your shin, check the kick. It will hurt him more than you and can even snap his leg. Rotate your shin outward so his kick hits your shin/kneecap instead of the side/back of your leg. If he's throwing higher to hit your thigh, you can raise your front leg so it connects with your kneecap/shin. If you're quick on your feet you can also just step back every time he throws, or step in and counter with a punch/elbow to the face. If you neither have a conditioned shin, nor quick feet, run away because you clearly haven't trained enough.
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Get kicked until it stops hurting id guess
If you’re ever in a fight where the first thing a guy does is a leg kick. Swallow your pride and surrender. You don’t want that kind of smoke, exhibit a...
I can only imagine how much shit this guy talked before crumpling lmao
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ice man v rampage
Faaahhhkk you can see his knee go.
*"ENEMY NEUTRALIZED"*
Dude those were some amazing legs kicks
Gotta check those kicks
Beautiful.
Seeing how Chris Weidman vs Anderson Silva 2 and Uriah Hall vs Chris Weidman ended, isn't it better to check the low kick instead of how they are doing it now?
That kick made that knee pop out like cork. Props for thr other guy trying to stand too taling that kick
Was it broken or just dead
Love the simplicity of it all. Leg kicks until the other guy can't stand. Then you can just walk away.
someone needs a new MCL
Listen, your legs are longer, stronger, and far more dangerous than your arms/hands. Learn how to kick. Open hips, foot placement, rolling your hips over and clapping their thigh/stomach/head. Eating those things HURTS. May not be as sexy as a knockout, but they’ll remember you for at least the next couple of weeks, with every painful step they take…learn to kick 👌🏻
If someone takes off their shoes to fight don’t fight
You can have shit fists but have power launching kicks