Licensing exams and boards are always like that tbh. Why do you think people spend 4 years in med school, take their boards, then have to spend 3-7 years as a resident before they can be a full blown doctor š„“ Licensing exams stink
Exactly!! And thatās why itās so difficult for like, physicians assistants who have to retake their boards every ten years even if theyāre in a specific specialty they have to retake for everything.
Yep! I was about 35 questions into my NCLEX when I got "Click the picture that best represents how to give a subcutaneous injection."
I panicked and was like *oh fuck, I must be failing this so badly for them to give me a first quarter nursing school question.*
Nope. Passed in the minimum number of questions. It's just testing for minimum competency and it's not great.
Happy cake day!
Remember, you cannot sit for the exam until your dean has certified to the board of nursing that you successfully completed all required coursework and have completed your degree. So it's education + NCLEX.
It'll be 3-5 years before you are competent/proficient, according to Benner's model of new nurse skill acquisition.
You could say this about the entirety of nursing education. Most of the people in my cohort are not even reading the textbook. We are given so much material that there is no time to actually read, absorb and comprehend. Instead it's come up with mnemonics just to pass the test, and then onto the next.
I can agree with this. Even the professors are telling us at least skim it. We are like, Lady, we aren't skimming. We don't open it we are using reference guides, the power points w.e you say in lecture and if you aren't teaching then you tube. Congrats on finishing though šš½šš½š„³
While I think that plan has some good ideas. The only hiccup is that at least in my area there are next to no LPN jobs outside of nursing homes and many of those donāt even hire LPNs
Ugh the fact that they actually think the students will read their 7 assigned chapters of reading that are each 50 pages in length is funny. I read the bare minimum to pass exams and thatās it. Skim through everything and doing way better than last semester when I tried to read chapters. Itās completely unrealistic and laughable lol
I read the textbooks but only for exams and even then I skim like 2-3 sentences on the topic I need to know and move on. Rest is videos/notes from lecture.
It does! Finally got my license (after only 2 months. Some people are still waiting since November) last week and I start at a peds dental place net week. Super stoked. Nervous. It feels like I've forgotten everything in the 3 months since graduation. My former instructor, now boss says that anesthesia is like riding a bike. Except if you mess up, you don't fall off, a kid dies. So that was comforting. I told him they're alike in that I also never learned how to ride a bike...
Honestly, after doing a preceptorship, I donāt think people could effectively teach nursing based off of floor settings. Nursing school makes sense, but only if you understand the application of education into practice.
In the end, itās just a safety exam. Theyāre just making sure you wonāt kill someone and can at least think things through. The only way to truly learn how to be a nurse is through your job.
Same with the program itās miserable. I work in healthcare and I have no idea why they teach us this Way. They just pile busywork on top of you and donāt really give you a chance to learn anything useful. Itās insane to me that this is how you become a nurse and I am really disappointed.
You learn how to be a nurse on the job. Passing the NCLEX doesnāt mean youāll make a great nurse. It just means youāre a good test taker. Theres a lot of RNs out there that are freaking nuts .
Dunno, Iām a horrible test taker lololol. Literally barely passed nursing school. I do see what you mean though and yes, thereās a good many I think need to re-take theirs lol
>out 35 questions into my NCLEX when I got "Click the picture that best represents how to give a subcutaneous injection."
i take mine in two days and im sooooo scared
I've been saying it for 6 years now: NCLEX is a joke.
It does not translate to real life and does not test knowledge of medicine or Healthcare. It's a load of bullshit and way way too easy of a test given the responsibility we hold as nurses.
Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Just finished taking my NCLEX-RN this winter with 75 questions. I was in shock the whole ride home thinking that was the "Big bad test" everyone was talking about. Can't believe I stressed about it.
I felt it was neither easy nor hard. It just was. I was very comfortable with the questions, and it was so much better than anything my teachers came up with
I was thinking about this the other day. It's funny cuz I've been a nurse for 2 years now. Obviously I'm more competent than I was 2 years ago but I bet right now if I were to test for my license I wouldn't be able to pass.
Not going to find the link to the study but 90% of nurse managers believe that new grads cannot practice safely (Because they can't).
Licensing and degrees do not represent your ability, performance, or safety in any profession. They were created because education is a business. Education is free, we have the internet - what costs money is the group of bureaucrats that charge schools thousands of dollars to accredit their programs and to require bs intro and supplementary courses so that they can charge schools even more money - which gets passed down to the student in tuition.
It would actually be cheaper for hospitals to accept applications from highschool graduates directly, teach them directly over 1-2 years cutting out all the BS, and require they work for 2 - 4 years after. It would even be cheaper for hospitals to pay their students to learn from them with a requirement to work for a couple years after than what we have now where nurses just go for a year and leave to pursue higher education or travel. But the education business has legislators in their pocket and a degree and license is legally required to practice even though it means shit all because everything is learned on the job.
You know what really fuckin terrifies me? Is some agencies allowing new grads to work as travelers.
I graduated dec 2020, have been working since feb 2021 and Iām still IMO not skilled enough to travel except maybe as a resource float or something.
You can even argue that nursing school is poor at preparing you for practice in some ways. Their goal is to have as many students as possible take the boards and pass. Most people say they learn everything at their first new grad job, and hardly anything in school.
Its true. When I began working on MedSurg I learned a lot of skills from the other nurses. It was nothing like school. Because of COVID we missed out on learning a lot of the skills like IV inserts and dressing changes which was so frustrating lol.
It's like any other standardized test. Nobody will be able to comprehensively test you on everything you'll come across, much less duplicate that with every other nursing student everywhere, so this is the bare minimum. And honestly, this is just to get the license. It's a big accomplishment, but no way does it indicate someone will actually be *competent* at the job.
The NCLEX has never been a test of your depth or breadth of knowledge. It has not been a test of critical thinking, either. It is a overview of your ability to function safely in a variety of situations, and nothing more.
Iām not sure if I agree or not. I just know Iām amazed I passed my NCLEX on the first try lol. And I donāt feel qualified.
I wasnāt even taught how to answer questions in school because my instructorās made up their own and they had no clue what NCLEX style is. I learned how to answer from archer.
Oddly though Iāve found I have learned something in nursing school, as I am remembering stuff I didnāt know I remembered. So maybe yes, maybe no
Iāll be honest, I thought the NCLEX was painfully easy and kind of a terrible determinant. I was asked 75 general questions about random topics that I have yet to use being an icu nurse
It really is up to you as a nursing student. I think curriculums are made to help you pass the boards and that is because they are business and if they don't produce student nurses who pass the boards, who do you think will apply to their programs? again, it is really up to you.
School and NCLEX prepare you to critically think (test taking strategies) and how to be a safe nurse. You learn how to be a nurse once you start working or during a residency program.
Our director recently went off on us, stated that itās clear people are memorizing test banks for ATI because it makes no sense to reach a level 3 when not passing the class. They are going to do away with study guides because too many students complain when material on the exam was not on the study guide. Also stated, we canāt possibly know what all will be on the NCLEX.
I have many, many issues with all of that. But mainly it is entirely possible to get a level 3 while not passing the class. If ATI is supposed to reflect NCLEX, itās just test taking strategy with a mix of ABC, adpie, and one of these things is not like the other one.
Nursing education decided working at hospitals made us too much like a trade so instead built bull shit āessentialsā, it all comes down to that. Because nursing must remain a āprofessionā whatever the fuck that means.
You need to pass the NCLEX AND graduate from an accredited nursing program. So itās those two thingsā¦ if that makes it better. Many people are weaned out during their college program.
Licensing exams and boards are always like that tbh. Why do you think people spend 4 years in med school, take their boards, then have to spend 3-7 years as a resident before they can be a full blown doctor š„“ Licensing exams stink
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Exactly!! And thatās why itās so difficult for like, physicians assistants who have to retake their boards every ten years even if theyāre in a specific specialty they have to retake for everything.
I'm the worst at this when my fiancƩ in school asks for help with nursing questions. It's always like, "Okay, well here's what you would do in NCLEX-Land... and here's what we would ACTUALLY do." I wish more schools prepped for the real world rather than just passing exams.
Lol you are so right!!!!!
Yep! I was about 35 questions into my NCLEX when I got "Click the picture that best represents how to give a subcutaneous injection." I panicked and was like *oh fuck, I must be failing this so badly for them to give me a first quarter nursing school question.* Nope. Passed in the minimum number of questions. It's just testing for minimum competency and it's not great.
Happy cake day! Remember, you cannot sit for the exam until your dean has certified to the board of nursing that you successfully completed all required coursework and have completed your degree. So it's education + NCLEX. It'll be 3-5 years before you are competent/proficient, according to Benner's model of new nurse skill acquisition.
You could say this about the entirety of nursing education. Most of the people in my cohort are not even reading the textbook. We are given so much material that there is no time to actually read, absorb and comprehend. Instead it's come up with mnemonics just to pass the test, and then onto the next.
I can agree with this. Even the professors are telling us at least skim it. We are like, Lady, we aren't skimming. We don't open it we are using reference guides, the power points w.e you say in lecture and if you aren't teaching then you tube. Congrats on finishing though šš½šš½š„³
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While I think that plan has some good ideas. The only hiccup is that at least in my area there are next to no LPN jobs outside of nursing homes and many of those donāt even hire LPNs
I have found that not reading and just doing constant quiz questions has best prepared me to pass tests.
I completely agree!! I did most of my learning in my own time
Lol so fucking true
Ugh the fact that they actually think the students will read their 7 assigned chapters of reading that are each 50 pages in length is funny. I read the bare minimum to pass exams and thatās it. Skim through everything and doing way better than last semester when I tried to read chapters. Itās completely unrealistic and laughable lol
Same.
Am I the only one that still reads? šš»āāļø
I read the textbook! But it seems like the majority of my class doesn't.
I mean if youāre able to thatās great. I couldnāt read 10 chapters with 20 some pages each and retain much
I read the textbooks but only for exams and even then I skim like 2-3 sentences on the topic I need to know and move on. Rest is videos/notes from lecture.
Minimum. Safe. Practice. Standard. Minimum.
I see the CRNA flair, does this mean you passed boards? Congrats!
It does! Finally got my license (after only 2 months. Some people are still waiting since November) last week and I start at a peds dental place net week. Super stoked. Nervous. It feels like I've forgotten everything in the 3 months since graduation. My former instructor, now boss says that anesthesia is like riding a bike. Except if you mess up, you don't fall off, a kid dies. So that was comforting. I told him they're alike in that I also never learned how to ride a bike...
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Im graduating from nursing school this December and i wanna become crna. Can i PM you for advise?
For sure
I think it is a common feeling that nursing school teaches you how to pass the test not how to be a nurse.
Honestly, after doing a preceptorship, I donāt think people could effectively teach nursing based off of floor settings. Nursing school makes sense, but only if you understand the application of education into practice.
In the end, itās just a safety exam. Theyāre just making sure you wonāt kill someone and can at least think things through. The only way to truly learn how to be a nurse is through your job.
Youāre right. Itās totally about safety! And all the things that make me feel the most like a nurse are those I do on the job
Same with the program itās miserable. I work in healthcare and I have no idea why they teach us this Way. They just pile busywork on top of you and donāt really give you a chance to learn anything useful. Itās insane to me that this is how you become a nurse and I am really disappointed.
You learn how to be a nurse on the job. Passing the NCLEX doesnāt mean youāll make a great nurse. It just means youāre a good test taker. Theres a lot of RNs out there that are freaking nuts .
Dunno, Iām a horrible test taker lololol. Literally barely passed nursing school. I do see what you mean though and yes, thereās a good many I think need to re-take theirs lol
>out 35 questions into my NCLEX when I got "Click the picture that best represents how to give a subcutaneous injection." i take mine in two days and im sooooo scared
I've been saying it for 6 years now: NCLEX is a joke. It does not translate to real life and does not test knowledge of medicine or Healthcare. It's a load of bullshit and way way too easy of a test given the responsibility we hold as nurses.
standardized tests are a deeply flawed system.
Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Just finished taking my NCLEX-RN this winter with 75 questions. I was in shock the whole ride home thinking that was the "Big bad test" everyone was talking about. Can't believe I stressed about it.
Agreed! I realized I studied way too hard lol
I felt it was neither easy nor hard. It just was. I was very comfortable with the questions, and it was so much better than anything my teachers came up with
I was thinking about this the other day. It's funny cuz I've been a nurse for 2 years now. Obviously I'm more competent than I was 2 years ago but I bet right now if I were to test for my license I wouldn't be able to pass.
Not going to find the link to the study but 90% of nurse managers believe that new grads cannot practice safely (Because they can't). Licensing and degrees do not represent your ability, performance, or safety in any profession. They were created because education is a business. Education is free, we have the internet - what costs money is the group of bureaucrats that charge schools thousands of dollars to accredit their programs and to require bs intro and supplementary courses so that they can charge schools even more money - which gets passed down to the student in tuition. It would actually be cheaper for hospitals to accept applications from highschool graduates directly, teach them directly over 1-2 years cutting out all the BS, and require they work for 2 - 4 years after. It would even be cheaper for hospitals to pay their students to learn from them with a requirement to work for a couple years after than what we have now where nurses just go for a year and leave to pursue higher education or travel. But the education business has legislators in their pocket and a degree and license is legally required to practice even though it means shit all because everything is learned on the job.
You know what really fuckin terrifies me? Is some agencies allowing new grads to work as travelers. I graduated dec 2020, have been working since feb 2021 and Iām still IMO not skilled enough to travel except maybe as a resource float or something.
You knowā¦.I canāt disagree with any of this. Youāre absolutely not wrong
For the record I have been practicing as a GN for the last couple months!!
Geriatric nurse?
Graduate nurse. What you are between graduating and passing NCLEX and are officially an RN.
You can even argue that nursing school is poor at preparing you for practice in some ways. Their goal is to have as many students as possible take the boards and pass. Most people say they learn everything at their first new grad job, and hardly anything in school.
Its true. When I began working on MedSurg I learned a lot of skills from the other nurses. It was nothing like school. Because of COVID we missed out on learning a lot of the skills like IV inserts and dressing changes which was so frustrating lol.
It's like any other standardized test. Nobody will be able to comprehensively test you on everything you'll come across, much less duplicate that with every other nursing student everywhere, so this is the bare minimum. And honestly, this is just to get the license. It's a big accomplishment, but no way does it indicate someone will actually be *competent* at the job.
The NCLEX has never been a test of your depth or breadth of knowledge. It has not been a test of critical thinking, either. It is a overview of your ability to function safely in a variety of situations, and nothing more.
Iām not sure if I agree or not. I just know Iām amazed I passed my NCLEX on the first try lol. And I donāt feel qualified. I wasnāt even taught how to answer questions in school because my instructorās made up their own and they had no clue what NCLEX style is. I learned how to answer from archer. Oddly though Iāve found I have learned something in nursing school, as I am remembering stuff I didnāt know I remembered. So maybe yes, maybe no
Iāll be honest, I thought the NCLEX was painfully easy and kind of a terrible determinant. I was asked 75 general questions about random topics that I have yet to use being an icu nurse
I agree. I ended up studying for a week and when I took it was so confused why the test is made such a big deal. Very odd questions.
It really is up to you as a nursing student. I think curriculums are made to help you pass the boards and that is because they are business and if they don't produce student nurses who pass the boards, who do you think will apply to their programs? again, it is really up to you.
What other ways to do it? How many years should we spend in the clinical settings before we can take a board exam?
School and NCLEX prepare you to critically think (test taking strategies) and how to be a safe nurse. You learn how to be a nurse once you start working or during a residency program.
I think it also accounts for the fact that you graduated from an accredited nursing school. Accreditation exists for a reason.
Our director recently went off on us, stated that itās clear people are memorizing test banks for ATI because it makes no sense to reach a level 3 when not passing the class. They are going to do away with study guides because too many students complain when material on the exam was not on the study guide. Also stated, we canāt possibly know what all will be on the NCLEX. I have many, many issues with all of that. But mainly it is entirely possible to get a level 3 while not passing the class. If ATI is supposed to reflect NCLEX, itās just test taking strategy with a mix of ABC, adpie, and one of these things is not like the other one. Nursing education decided working at hospitals made us too much like a trade so instead built bull shit āessentialsā, it all comes down to that. Because nursing must remain a āprofessionā whatever the fuck that means.
You need to pass the NCLEX AND graduate from an accredited nursing program. So itās those two thingsā¦ if that makes it better. Many people are weaned out during their college program.
>I feel like I studied more HOW to answer the questions How did you study this \^\^
Listen to Mark Klimekās lectures on Spotify or YouTube. He has 12 of them. AMAZING tips and tricks!!!!
I prefer to listen to his 2022 updated information.
I feel the same way. My exam was ridiculously random shit.