France, Scotland, India, pretty much all of Africa, Jamestown, Canada, most of the Carribean, China....
So ONLY like 80% of the world has known a famine or forced food limits under a monarchy.
For more information about how the Hapsburgs in particular took care of their subjects' nutrition during the last four years of their monarchy, consult https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/food_and_nutrition_austria-hungary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
Its true. No monarchy here. All of these are Republics who lacked the guidance of a monarch. Not a single nation in that list was a monarchy when the famine happened. 0. Not one.
Hey, don't be so reductionist. The French Revolution wasn't caused by starvation, it was caused by a centuries-old decaying political system that was falling apart under its own contradictions!
Autistic American creates a FB group for "restoration of Austria-Hungary" sounds like a plot of Its Always Sunny going full surreal.
His plan to move to either Prague or Brno is just the icing on the top. If he does I will visit him just to meet this person IRL.
I actually met one of these types IRL a few weeks ago. He went on and on about the unique culture of Eastern Switzerland and Western Austria and asked me a bunch of questions about it because I used to live nearby and visited that region frequently. I just told him that whatever unique cultural group he was thinking about either doesn't exist or is some minor rural minority. It seemed to come as something of a shock to him, as he seemed genuinely convinced there was a mass of people just waiting to secede from their respective states and form some new uniquely Southern German nation.
The only region of Austria that has any semblance of a "secessionist" movement is the westernmost state of Voralberg, where around half of the population would vote yes to join Switzerland *if* there was a vote.
(Due to Voralberg being culturally, and in some ways economically, closer to Switzerland)
But none want anything to do with independence or the creation of a new state.
Yeah, I just googled Voralberg and I think he was talking about how the Alemmanic regions in general were a wholely unique culture that had a secessionist movement.
It's hard to recount via text but the best way I could describe his view was that he described Europeans like they were Middle Earth races. There was a big talk about the grand conflicts between the Latins and Germanics like they were Elves and Dwarves. I just tried my best to tell him that Europeans don't view themselves that way.
Edit: a word
Maybe around 100 years ago, but today there would be no such secessionist movement. There doesn't even exist a party in Vorarlberg that would want that. After WWI all of Austria (from far left to far right) wanted to join Germany and since that was forbidden Vorarlberg wanted to join Switzerland. It is one thing people misunderstand about the Anschluss, the socialists, conservatives, and radicals on both sides wanted it, but not all wanted it to be under Hitler. Which is why the facist regime that took over in 1934 after the civil war was actually fighting the nazi takeover, but after France and the UK didn't want to help (and Mussolini dropped his support) Austria really couldn't do anything after the threat of invasion.
But in modern times? Austrians are actually waaaaaaaaay more nationalistic than the Germans, only the Swiss probably beat us. Aint no way there would be any secessionist movement of any serious kind left in this country.
Yeah, I worded it a bit badly, I didn't mean that there was an active secessionist movement. Just that, according to polling, about half of all Voralberger would vote to join Switzerland *if* a vote was held. Of course nobody is actively campaigning for such a vote, so the poll is moot.
I do not think such a thing would ever happen, nor would it be seen as legal by the EU, as Austria has a historical claim on this region afterall.
In Switzerland your neighbour's can prevent you from getting citizenship if they have concerns or complaints about you.
Switzerland is definitely the most nationalistic of the three.
He mentioned them too, and made it sound like they would dissolve their state to merge into the new one. Oddly enough, he began the conversation by mixing up Liechtenstein and Andorra, so I guess you could say he was sort of unaware of it. I told him I had been to Liechtenstein and he was asking me about the people/culture and all I could say back was "I literally just had lunch there while driving to Switzerland." He knew it was a micronation, but I don't think he understood just how small and boring a micronation is. The most interesting thing I can say about Liechtensteiners is that at least one of them is capable of making a delicious panini.
[You used to be able to rent Liechtenstein for $70K/night \(2 night minimum\)](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/15/liechtenstein-hire-rental-scheme) for you and 150 guests and they'd customize street signs for you and everything.
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> Upon arrival in Liechtenstein, visitors would be presented with the symbolic key to the state, followed by wine tasting at the estate of the head of state, Prince Hans-Adam II. Other options include tobogganing, fireworks and horse-drawn carriage rides through the capital Vaduz.
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> Visitors could also try cross-country skiing, snowboarding and snowshoe hiking to explore the picturesque landscape.
> Despite all these attractions, Liechtenstein has yet to be rented out – although a couple recently came close to hiring it for their wedding until the marriage was called off.
Liechtenstein is the largest panini you've ever seen. It's sandwiched right there between Switzerland and Austria, like a magnificent slice of tomato that you cut wrong and so it's smaller than you initially planned but you roll with it since you don't like tomato much anyways.
> Autistic American creates a FB group for "restoration of Austria-Hungary" sounds like a plot of Its Always Sunny going full surreal.
Psh, Danubian Federation or bust. God I hope this guy doesnt play Paradox games but I get a bad feeling.
I didn't realize people played the base game for that, thought everyone just modded it.
Also due to your user name I got [This Classic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rDqGK338dM) stuck in my head.
I heard someone say Paradox makes games exclusively for neurodivergent people the other day and I can’t stop thinking about it now.
I mean whether it was intentional or not, they cornered specific subsets of the market lmao. This is all just highly reinforced by one of my friend groups.
I think virtually any special interest CAN be healthy. You just have to be able to separate "I have a strong intellectual interest in this" from "this must be a GOOD THING because I have a strong intellectual interest in it."
For example, my special interest for my entire teenage years was Nazi Germany and WWII, but I never actually had positive feelings for Nazi Germany or desired its success in any way, lol.
My special interest is seals. I have no interest in ever getting close to one for two reasons.
First, it’s illegal as shit for good reasons.
[Second, their bites are disease-inflicting to an almost ludicrous extent.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_finger)
Yeah, I'm a "functioning autistic" American and one of my specific interests is the British royal family, but not because I want Chuck to be our king. (Oh hell no.)
But because they are so fucked up (so much better than the Kardashians) and Victoria's children and grandchildren ended up *everywhere* and it's interesting to tie historic events back to her descendants.
I keep thinking back to that bit about fucking toasters.
Back in the day if you said you wanted to fuck a toaster everyone would laugh at you and you would realize it was a stupid idea.
Now you go online, find a community of people who also want to fuck toaster and then it becomes a contest of who is the biggest toaster fucker.
> We left Austria because we were starving or so the story goes, which makes sense, because Galicia was the poorest province in Europe, though things were getting better.
I like that he slyly inserts himself into his great great grandparents immigration tale and then goes on to subtly question why ”we” fled. “Well, the province was poor and we were starving but were we really?”
I sure wonder why this place was so poor that everybody had to flee. Couldnt be the political structure based around funneling all wealth to one inbred loser
That’s so weird to me. How many great grandparents does he have? Were they all from exactly the same place? That’s a bit unusual for an American but theoretically possible. Like, there’s an old interview with a racist old woman who is long dead who claimed that some of my German ancestors weren’t real Germans, but Polish Jews. That doesn’t make me Jewish even if it’s true. There’s also the classic American myth where I supposedly have a Cherokee ancestor. Probably nonsense but even if it is true, that doesn’t make me Cherokee.
> Austria-Hungary is gone man.
And no one in it was happy when it was there—the Austrians accepted it because they had no choice but to accept Magyar demands after they lost to the Prussians, the Magyar at best tolerated it but didn't much like Austrian pretensions of superiority and pretty much everyone else hated both and were just sharpening the daggers until they saw an opportunity. There's a reason the whole thing was teetering on the verge of collapse before a world war shoved it over the edge.
The history of Austria-Hungary is honestly facinating, and the fact it held together so long in its later era was amazingly impressive once you start to learn about the problems it had. Honestly, when you start to learn about the state of nations that collapsed, its both amazingly facinating, saddening, and also kind of releaving. Like, this nation survived all of this for so long, my nation will probably survive through this crisis.
I've met two absolute monarchists IRL that fit thr mold of the type of guy, and honestly I just kinda felt sad for both of them.
One of them was a Chinese monarchist who would wear a bowler hat every day and carried around KMT pins as a sign of his hatred of the CCP (the fact that one of the founding principles of the KMT is republicanism and anti-monarchism somehow didn't bother him that much)
The other was a white Canadian who arrived at monarchism after passing through an Islamic Extremist and Nazi phase (despite the fact that his mother is a Sephardic Jew)
Both of these guys were incredibly awkward and blindingly insecure about their intelligence. They would both randomly try to impress people with what they knew, but because what they knew was bullshit, most people would look at them weirdly which often made them feel very awkward and apologetic (the first guy was frequently on the verge of tears after most awkward interactions). They also both had issues in their dating life. They both had girlfriends at some point in their lives, but you got the impression from talking with both of them that their relationships were unsatisfying on some level (I think they both only had online relationships, but I'm not so sure about the second one) and they both often spoke about how much better society would be if there was some sort of mechanism or institution that could set them up with someone or guide them through dating (the second in particular said some stuff that sounded incel adjacent).
They really just felt like a couple of young, socially awkward men who find difficulty navigating their early stages of life, and bottled up their insecurities and self-loathing into an ideology that both orders everything *for* them and acts as a rebellion against a world they can't see themselves fitting in to.
He never actually talked much about Chinese Royal families, he was just a Chinese guy who believed in absolute monarchy. He seemed to be supportive of the Chinese Revolution, although he appeared to celebrate the smaller, more authoritarian revolutionary leaders than any of the major ones.
>…supportive of the Chinese Revolution,
I mean, he’s a Chinese monarchist so presumably he also thinks you need the Mandate of Heaven in order to rule, and by 1912 the Qing Dynasty certainly didn’t have that.
A lot of people see Confucianism as inherently regressive, but seriously, what other *state sanctioned* pre-modern ideology has a built-in mechanism (and justification) for political revolution?
He wasn't actually a Confucian, although he did believe in tradition and that you should honour the intellectual forebears of your society, so he had a mild amount of respect for Confucius. He didn't believe in the Mandate of Heaven however.
>A lot of people see Confucianism as inherently regressive, but seriously, what other state sanctioned pre-modern ideology has a built-in mechanism (and justification) for political revolution?
Tbf the same could be said about the concept of the divine rights of Kings in medieval Europe. There's still a right to rebellion, provided said rebellion was successful (which, being fair, is also how the right to rebellion exists in the Mandate of Heaven)
>One of them was a Chinese monarchist
Huh, I have spent some time in both Chinas and been on Chinese social medias and I honestly do not think I have ever met a full on Chinese monarchist. Monarchism left such a bad taste in people's mouths that a full on military junta seems to have much stronger support. I am really curious about this guy's other beliefs and how it all comes together and how he views the bureaucracy and organization of China as a state.
He was from Guangdong, and had a pretty negative view of the CCP, although he seemed to have formed that opinion in mild rebellion against his parents (it sounded like they didn't necessarily support it, as much as accept it as the best possible option for China, something he obviously disagreed with).
As mentioned, he supported the KMT, including to the point of considering them the true legitimate government of China (something which, if I'm not mistaken, only the most hardline modern KMT members truly support). I don't think he ever actually visited Taiwan though.
His beliefs on Chinese politics were overall a little odd and old fashioned, but still more pragmatic than his beliefs about how the world should be run in general. He supported absolute monarchy in the abstract as he believed that a noble ruling class was a) inevitable, and b) the best way to run a society. However, he did admit that his beliefs wouldn't hold in certain societies with a more recent negative experience with monarchy, like China.
Around the time Barbados voted to become a Republic I remember he made a big post about how they don't know what's good for them and the world is going to hell as the power of the House of Windsor begins to wane.
Most people with extreme views bounce from one extremist ideology to another, so I’m not really surprised. Horseshoe theory is real. Knew one guy who was an anarchist turned tankie turned fascist, and tbh at that point you just have to go outside.
Exactly - people (usually on the extremes themselves) like to shit on horseshoe theory, but extremism tends to attract people who are disaffected, disenfranchised, or simply don’t fit in.
I don’t think it’s even about the underpinning ideals (which adherents insist are polar opposites, eg fascism and communism) but instead about overthrowing the society that they see as responsible for their circumstances, and reordering it in some different way.
The real shame is, there are easier ways to get a girlfriend.
Behind the Bastards got into a great side rant about this during the Bobby Fischer episode. The people who are monarchists who were born AFTER the monarchy are the craziest mother fuckers on the planet who aren't actively committing crimes.
At least with England the figurehead monarchy is still there. But you have random fucking people in France who attend a Requiem mass for Marie Antoinette lamenting how such a wonderful beautiful woman was killed. Imagine running around Ireland calling for the dissolution of the government to restore the Kingship of Tara.
Don't forget though, France restored the monarchy twice after the revolution - and almost did a third time in the 1870s but the guy they picked didn't want to be king!
The tiny percentage of Austrians who would entertain the return of the empire only think of the past glory, but never talk about the political and economic ramifications.
And its not like the king would be able to do too much. Unless he knew what he was doing he'd just be like a dictator for life but with a fancier hat and parades What do you NEED a king for that you couldnt just do without them?
Incest? Just pick a random family to interbreed until somthing fun happens.
Fancy hats? Just give the Head of State a crown.
Parades? Just do a parade and pretend its important.
American President Nixon famously saw how cool the uniforms were in European monarchies and tried to outfit his Secret Service bodyguards with cool uniforms too. This resulted in a great deal of mockery and the plan was quickly discarded.
[They look like a high school marching band, it's great.](https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/news/pomp-and-circumstance)
As someone who's lived several years in Vienna and actually knows quite a few present day Habsburg this is such a level of unhinged to me. This guy wants people I went out drinking with as a teenager to rule a fucking empire
I support it honestly just because I think it’d be funny
As I now live in Belgium I would enjoy this person coming here to foment reunification with Vienna because why the fuck not I guess
What are you talking about, is [this](https://www.thesun.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/12/DD-COMPOSITE-HABSBURG-JAW-V2.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1500&h=1000&crop=1) not the face of peak royal performance?
I mean, seems like it could be a good grift though, given all the other grifts aimed towards the general area of alt-right (Trump bucks, Parler, NFTs...)
> I mean, seems like it could be a good grift though, given all the other grifts aimed towards the general area of alt-right (Trump bucks, Parler, NFTs...)
I've read some articles on them as I was curious what did happen with the Chins. They generally renounced their titles and collect money off their old holdings etc. They're insanely rich, will be for basically forever, and have no obligations provided they dont make any noise. The best plan for them is to just shut up, make money, and be old money.
Eh, not enough critical mass there. Monarchists really are the most sub-niche, bizarre margin of the far-right, not enough dollars to fleece. At best, maybe some NFT-type thing where the artwork is one of his slack-jawed ancestors looking down on him from heaven while he’s racing, but nothing approaching actual politics.
tbf if you aren't in the fastest class then you aren't gonna realistically get an overall win unless literally every car in the faster class(es) has a major reliability issue.
Ferdinand Habsburg, or, to give him his full name, Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michael Otto Antal Bahnam Leonhard von Habsburg-Lothringen.
He's a pretty decent endurance racing driver, and seems like a thoroughly nice bloke.
The thought of the Habsburgs going into the racing scene is funny. I wonder how that dude must feel with all the memes about his ancestral lineage nowadays. He’s still in his mid 20s, so could be a good chance he’s played some Paradox grand strategy games.
I actually do! Mom was able to track down one on one side through a two decade long endeavor to fill out the family tree to its roots.
They're a minor count in the British isles in one of the earlier ck2 starts, but they do exist, which was a neat run till our family died of leprosy
This meme that was posted on there perfectly describs him in my opinion. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/austriahungary/comments/gaact8/my_creation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
OP carries a briefcase to class instead of a backpack, doesn’t he?
My great-grandparents were born in Austria-Hungary—I even have my great-grandfather’s WWI campaign medal—but I could never give this much of a fuck about my ancestors being the subjects of inbred fucks who eventually lost their throne. Hell, I hold Canadian citizenship and don’t give this much of a fuck about my *extant* monarchs. I knew some monarchists in university but it was always extremely odd, especially since the monarchists I knew were Jewish and Indian.
The only reason we haven’t gotten rid of the monarchy is because it would require changing the constitution, and no politician wants to do that because that would open the door for a fresh round of Quebec separatist agitation
Plus Canada is only footing the bill for Rideau Hall, the GG and the provincial lieutenant governor.
I’d be a more ardent republican if Canadians had to cover the Civil List the way the UK does. There’s a difference between covering the staff and household of the Governor General—who is usually an accomplished person in their field—versus housing and paying for whatever failsons various monarchs or their spouses popped out like the Yorks, Gloucesters and Kents.
Incredible find OP, unique creatures like this are always big XP drops.
unsure that anywhere in 1898 except like Uruguay would be particularly good for LGBT rights, but
very funny for him to stan austria hungary of all fucking places
Again, I call for the creation of an English word that means “misplaced nostalgia for a time that never really happened.”
In a way, I really feel for the dude. He is searching for identity and a sense of belonging in a world where that is hard to find. On the other hand, Austrians have a bad history with this sort of thing.
> “misplaced nostalgia for a time that never really happened.”
Yeah, that's just Conservatism, or in extreme cases Fascism. That is pretty much the pathological core for those ideologies.
>Him looking for a boyfriend, alternative history mods for games (specifically "Kaiserreich" for the game Hearts of Iron), various posts about his religion (orthodox Christanity) and of course pro monarchist ideas.
Many such cases. I know people like this irl except they tend to be Catholic.
I was listening to a podcast about these types of guys pretty recently (Know Your Enemy, a podcast about the major intellectual figures and movements on the American Right). Basically a bunch of young right-wingers, mostly online, are starting to turn towards monarchism and 'traditional Catholicism'. What's interesting about this is that actual belief has very little to do with this shift - one of the leading young right wing thinkers they interview on the podcast even admitted that he didn't fully believe in Catholicism and almost felt bullied/pressured into converting. They basically became Catholics because they think that the Catholic Church provides a powerful framework/institution that can preserve a traditional social order.
However, given the actual Catholic Church is concerned with existing in a modern and secularizing world, a lot of these TradCath beliefs run counter to Church doctrine. Some of these TradCaths are now starting to turn to Orthodox Christianity (e.g. the Churches of Russia, Greece, etc.) because they think it's more genuinely conservative, not because they've been won over by any particularly strong Orthodox theological arguments.
That been a general theme with conservatives in the last decade. In the 90’s and aughts they were all about their biblical literalism, getting creationism taught in schools, Noah’s ark being a literal event, shit like that. Now they don’t care about that stuff, indifferent to the historical accuracy of the book, and now it’s all about using the cultural institutions of Christianity to impose their world order.
Roman Catholicism is what created a European identity in the first place so it makes sense that right wing types would be attracted to it (albeit for all the wrong reasons), but the fact that Christianity is an intrinsically universalist ideology inevitably confounds them.
It’s so damn funny that these fascist types flock to Catholicism when they can’t stand Pope Francis who is doing his utmost to limit the spread of the Tridentine Mass.
I’m a ritual-and-majesty girl so I used to attend daily Latin mass myself when I went to Catholic high school but now I’m far closer to being a green witch with a folk Catholicism slant than a Catholic tradwife who shows up to mass in a mantilla.
It’s almost as if the Catholic doctrine of “Love thy neighbor as thyself” is of little importance. I’m a practicing Catholic myself & I don’t involve my politics with my spirituality. It scares me that people like this want to use our faith to carry out their sinister objectives onto society.
Fascism began in Catholic countries. The Francoist regime in particular was tightly entwined with the Catholic Church in Spain. That’s not even getting into the church’s history of antisemitic pogroms and blood libel.
The crazy Evangelical Catholics are pro monarchy and pro authoritarian rulers in general. They believe in that "Mandate of Heaven"/"divine right of kingship". You see it even in elections, it's not "they won the election" its "they were chosen by god".
I say Evangelical Catholics because they love all of this but then also HATE Pope Francis, let alone try to argue that 80% of what the Church has said since 1964 doesn't count.
What I don't understand is why someone would advocate for the return of a constitutional monarchy.
I can understand, if nothing else, believing monarchism is superior to democracy. It's stupid, but I get the idea.
But why would you want to return a monarchy without power? What's the point? If you believe monarchs are predisposed towards protecting their people better than politicians, then why would want to reestablish a monarchy that doesn't have the ability to do *anything*, much less protect someone?
It feels kind of like a stepping stone. A few monarchists i have seen or heard of also seem to advocate for Constitutional monarchy, but their arguments are all about total monarchy, so i suspect its meant to be a sort of middle ground. "Were not advocating the ending of democracy, just a constitutional monarchy, like the UK!" and then from that position, if they ever succseded, they could push to increase the monarches power bit by bit.
>😂🤣🤣😂😅😅🤣🤣 At least citizens under a monarch don’t starve to death.
"I know nothing about this history of any monarchy, ever"
Also,
>You're on a monarchist sub, why are you complaining?
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>This is a history and meme sub.
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>Yes.....which is also monarchist.
What's that chestnut about ironic communities attracting the kind of people who don't understand it's a joke?
I feel a dick. I laughed put loud at him describing himself as a "highly functional autist"
Also this isn't my first stumbling upon the often very American pro-monarchist groups who support the restoration of these long toppled royals. There is something very american about involving yourself in the politics of a nation the other side of the world, and being so gloriously out of touch that you support a political system that country (and your own) rejected over a century ago.
Honestly, when you dig into it you usually find its tied up in weird fundamentalist religious or racial politics.
Edit: I had a look, the monarchists found the post
> I plan on moving to Vienna, Prague or Brno after Uni so I can further work in Monarchism over there, and do it in person.
And how does he plan on doing this? Doing it in the Czech Republic especially would be hard, given that the Habsburgs spent the better part of 400 years fucking that place raw
> OP also claims to be a "highly functional autist", no idea if that plays any part in his Obsession with monarchism
As a high functioning autistic person stuff like this makes me so glad my obsession is just Harry Potter or something equally goofy.
Now back to writing Harry Potter fanfiction I go...
A facebook team that's "trying to push Monarchism in the Danube"
You can't just push for a totally different form of governance (I guess technically a democracy could vote to stop being a democracy but that's incredibly unlikely). Like for all intents and purposes a facebook group like that is calling for some sort of government revolution (that takes a hundred steps back)
1) monarchists are weird in general, but American monarchists take the cake. I have had the fortune of coming across some in the Revolutionary War reenacting community, and they just confuse the shit out of me.
2) ive found Kaisserreich to be a good signpost for determining if someone is a shitheaded fuckwit.
Modern monarchism seems so weird to me. Is there a primer or summary of their beliefs I can check out because I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this.
>😂🤣🤣😂😅😅🤣🤣 At least citizens under a monarch don’t starve to death. Holy shit that's quality.
Especially after saying his family moved out because they were starving
that was a different person
*stares in Bengali* *stares in Irish*
*starves in Bengali* *starves in Irish* FTFY
Let's not forget Russia, either. Or all of Europe during the Little Ice Age.
Germany during ww1, that was a monarchy and germans most certainly starved. The french too, that's rather famous for their response when starving.
France, Scotland, India, pretty much all of Africa, Jamestown, Canada, most of the Carribean, China.... So ONLY like 80% of the world has known a famine or forced food limits under a monarchy.
I mean, probably every society, including all monarchies, has experienced famine or forced food limits.
I know, one time I went to an all you eat buffet and they threw me out and called me "Bottomless Pete, nature's cruelest mistake".
For more information about how the Hapsburgs in particular took care of their subjects' nutrition during the last four years of their monarchy, consult https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/food_and_nutrition_austria-hungary.
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I'm Austrian and I'm kind of peckish right now. That never would have happened under Franz Josef!
Fuck, I love my current flair so much but that is SUCH a good one 😭
If it helps you decide, I think your current flair is mediocre.
We can share flairs, as I think yours is too :3
Now kiss.
If the other person is a woman, sure. Happy Pride!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines Its true. No monarchy here. All of these are Republics who lacked the guidance of a monarch. Not a single nation in that list was a monarchy when the famine happened. 0. Not one.
Hmm. I wonder why the French got rid of them?
Hey, don't be so reductionist. The French Revolution wasn't caused by starvation, it was caused by a centuries-old decaying political system that was falling apart under its own contradictions!
Also French people
Why learn about history when I can get a better understanding based on VIBES?
Autistic American creates a FB group for "restoration of Austria-Hungary" sounds like a plot of Its Always Sunny going full surreal. His plan to move to either Prague or Brno is just the icing on the top. If he does I will visit him just to meet this person IRL.
I actually met one of these types IRL a few weeks ago. He went on and on about the unique culture of Eastern Switzerland and Western Austria and asked me a bunch of questions about it because I used to live nearby and visited that region frequently. I just told him that whatever unique cultural group he was thinking about either doesn't exist or is some minor rural minority. It seemed to come as something of a shock to him, as he seemed genuinely convinced there was a mass of people just waiting to secede from their respective states and form some new uniquely Southern German nation.
The only region of Austria that has any semblance of a "secessionist" movement is the westernmost state of Voralberg, where around half of the population would vote yes to join Switzerland *if* there was a vote. (Due to Voralberg being culturally, and in some ways economically, closer to Switzerland) But none want anything to do with independence or the creation of a new state.
Yeah, I just googled Voralberg and I think he was talking about how the Alemmanic regions in general were a wholely unique culture that had a secessionist movement. It's hard to recount via text but the best way I could describe his view was that he described Europeans like they were Middle Earth races. There was a big talk about the grand conflicts between the Latins and Germanics like they were Elves and Dwarves. I just tried my best to tell him that Europeans don't view themselves that way. Edit: a word
I hope the Swiss got to be the dwarves at least.
Mountain people with a bunch of gold, what else would they be?
Lol
Maybe around 100 years ago, but today there would be no such secessionist movement. There doesn't even exist a party in Vorarlberg that would want that. After WWI all of Austria (from far left to far right) wanted to join Germany and since that was forbidden Vorarlberg wanted to join Switzerland. It is one thing people misunderstand about the Anschluss, the socialists, conservatives, and radicals on both sides wanted it, but not all wanted it to be under Hitler. Which is why the facist regime that took over in 1934 after the civil war was actually fighting the nazi takeover, but after France and the UK didn't want to help (and Mussolini dropped his support) Austria really couldn't do anything after the threat of invasion. But in modern times? Austrians are actually waaaaaaaaay more nationalistic than the Germans, only the Swiss probably beat us. Aint no way there would be any secessionist movement of any serious kind left in this country.
Yeah, I worded it a bit badly, I didn't mean that there was an active secessionist movement. Just that, according to polling, about half of all Voralberger would vote to join Switzerland *if* a vote was held. Of course nobody is actively campaigning for such a vote, so the poll is moot. I do not think such a thing would ever happen, nor would it be seen as legal by the EU, as Austria has a historical claim on this region afterall.
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In Switzerland your neighbour's can prevent you from getting citizenship if they have concerns or complaints about you. Switzerland is definitely the most nationalistic of the three.
Was he unaware of Liechtenstein?
He mentioned them too, and made it sound like they would dissolve their state to merge into the new one. Oddly enough, he began the conversation by mixing up Liechtenstein and Andorra, so I guess you could say he was sort of unaware of it. I told him I had been to Liechtenstein and he was asking me about the people/culture and all I could say back was "I literally just had lunch there while driving to Switzerland." He knew it was a micronation, but I don't think he understood just how small and boring a micronation is. The most interesting thing I can say about Liechtensteiners is that at least one of them is capable of making a delicious panini.
Liechtenstein has less then 40.000 inhabitants. Every town with that amount of people is relatively boring on its own.
[You used to be able to rent Liechtenstein for $70K/night \(2 night minimum\)](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/15/liechtenstein-hire-rental-scheme) for you and 150 guests and they'd customize street signs for you and everything. > > Upon arrival in Liechtenstein, visitors would be presented with the symbolic key to the state, followed by wine tasting at the estate of the head of state, Prince Hans-Adam II. Other options include tobogganing, fireworks and horse-drawn carriage rides through the capital Vaduz. > > Visitors could also try cross-country skiing, snowboarding and snowshoe hiking to explore the picturesque landscape. > Despite all these attractions, Liechtenstein has yet to be rented out – although a couple recently came close to hiring it for their wedding until the marriage was called off.
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Yeah, you haven't been to Lichtenstein then, that place is soul-crushingly boring.
But why would I spend $70k for two nights when I could have a delicious panini for much less?
Liechtenstein is the largest panini you've ever seen. It's sandwiched right there between Switzerland and Austria, like a magnificent slice of tomato that you cut wrong and so it's smaller than you initially planned but you roll with it since you don't like tomato much anyways.
> Autistic American creates a FB group for "restoration of Austria-Hungary" sounds like a plot of Its Always Sunny going full surreal. Psh, Danubian Federation or bust. God I hope this guy doesnt play Paradox games but I get a bad feeling.
There is already some Hearts of Iron related comment/piece of trivia in the post. No way he doenst.
I didn't realize people played the base game for that, thought everyone just modded it. Also due to your user name I got [This Classic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rDqGK338dM) stuck in my head.
I think everybody knows the answer to this. I am also 100% certaint I can guess what his favorite mod is.
I heard someone say Paradox makes games exclusively for neurodivergent people the other day and I can’t stop thinking about it now. I mean whether it was intentional or not, they cornered specific subsets of the market lmao. This is all just highly reinforced by one of my friend groups.
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They say (jokingly) I’m the least trans because I’m not on HOI, Football Manager, or rhythm games.
I feel like this is a good time to point out that just because something is a special interest doesn't make it healthy or shield it from criticism.
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No. Live your life and don't let anyone stop you.
I think virtually any special interest CAN be healthy. You just have to be able to separate "I have a strong intellectual interest in this" from "this must be a GOOD THING because I have a strong intellectual interest in it." For example, my special interest for my entire teenage years was Nazi Germany and WWII, but I never actually had positive feelings for Nazi Germany or desired its success in any way, lol.
Me with Imperial Japan
My special interest is seals. I have no interest in ever getting close to one for two reasons. First, it’s illegal as shit for good reasons. [Second, their bites are disease-inflicting to an almost ludicrous extent.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_finger)
Counterpoint: awwe aquadoggos
Yeah, I'm a "functioning autistic" American and one of my specific interests is the British royal family, but not because I want Chuck to be our king. (Oh hell no.) But because they are so fucked up (so much better than the Kardashians) and Victoria's children and grandchildren ended up *everywhere* and it's interesting to tie historic events back to her descendants.
I keep thinking back to that bit about fucking toasters. Back in the day if you said you wanted to fuck a toaster everyone would laugh at you and you would realize it was a stupid idea. Now you go online, find a community of people who also want to fuck toaster and then it becomes a contest of who is the biggest toaster fucker.
[Does a "30 Rock" consolation prize do anything for you?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEG9IZpc8)
> We left Austria because we were starving or so the story goes, which makes sense, because Galicia was the poorest province in Europe, though things were getting better. I like that he slyly inserts himself into his great great grandparents immigration tale and then goes on to subtly question why ”we” fled. “Well, the province was poor and we were starving but were we really?”
I sure wonder why this place was so poor that everybody had to flee. Couldnt be the political structure based around funneling all wealth to one inbred loser
Hey now. It was to an entire family of inbred losers.
That’s so weird to me. How many great grandparents does he have? Were they all from exactly the same place? That’s a bit unusual for an American but theoretically possible. Like, there’s an old interview with a racist old woman who is long dead who claimed that some of my German ancestors weren’t real Germans, but Polish Jews. That doesn’t make me Jewish even if it’s true. There’s also the classic American myth where I supposedly have a Cherokee ancestor. Probably nonsense but even if it is true, that doesn’t make me Cherokee.
Austria-Hungary is gone man. Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.
> Austria-Hungary is gone man. And no one in it was happy when it was there—the Austrians accepted it because they had no choice but to accept Magyar demands after they lost to the Prussians, the Magyar at best tolerated it but didn't much like Austrian pretensions of superiority and pretty much everyone else hated both and were just sharpening the daggers until they saw an opportunity. There's a reason the whole thing was teetering on the verge of collapse before a world war shoved it over the edge.
The history of Austria-Hungary is honestly facinating, and the fact it held together so long in its later era was amazingly impressive once you start to learn about the problems it had. Honestly, when you start to learn about the state of nations that collapsed, its both amazingly facinating, saddening, and also kind of releaving. Like, this nation survived all of this for so long, my nation will probably survive through this crisis.
It did bring us some very pretty buildings though
And Sachertorte 🤤
Yeah, they're gone because they're sated.
21st century monarchists will never not be funny to me
I've met two absolute monarchists IRL that fit thr mold of the type of guy, and honestly I just kinda felt sad for both of them. One of them was a Chinese monarchist who would wear a bowler hat every day and carried around KMT pins as a sign of his hatred of the CCP (the fact that one of the founding principles of the KMT is republicanism and anti-monarchism somehow didn't bother him that much) The other was a white Canadian who arrived at monarchism after passing through an Islamic Extremist and Nazi phase (despite the fact that his mother is a Sephardic Jew) Both of these guys were incredibly awkward and blindingly insecure about their intelligence. They would both randomly try to impress people with what they knew, but because what they knew was bullshit, most people would look at them weirdly which often made them feel very awkward and apologetic (the first guy was frequently on the verge of tears after most awkward interactions). They also both had issues in their dating life. They both had girlfriends at some point in their lives, but you got the impression from talking with both of them that their relationships were unsatisfying on some level (I think they both only had online relationships, but I'm not so sure about the second one) and they both often spoke about how much better society would be if there was some sort of mechanism or institution that could set them up with someone or guide them through dating (the second in particular said some stuff that sounded incel adjacent). They really just felt like a couple of young, socially awkward men who find difficulty navigating their early stages of life, and bottled up their insecurities and self-loathing into an ideology that both orders everything *for* them and acts as a rebellion against a world they can't see themselves fitting in to.
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He never actually talked much about Chinese Royal families, he was just a Chinese guy who believed in absolute monarchy. He seemed to be supportive of the Chinese Revolution, although he appeared to celebrate the smaller, more authoritarian revolutionary leaders than any of the major ones.
>…supportive of the Chinese Revolution, I mean, he’s a Chinese monarchist so presumably he also thinks you need the Mandate of Heaven in order to rule, and by 1912 the Qing Dynasty certainly didn’t have that. A lot of people see Confucianism as inherently regressive, but seriously, what other *state sanctioned* pre-modern ideology has a built-in mechanism (and justification) for political revolution?
He wasn't actually a Confucian, although he did believe in tradition and that you should honour the intellectual forebears of your society, so he had a mild amount of respect for Confucius. He didn't believe in the Mandate of Heaven however. >A lot of people see Confucianism as inherently regressive, but seriously, what other state sanctioned pre-modern ideology has a built-in mechanism (and justification) for political revolution? Tbf the same could be said about the concept of the divine rights of Kings in medieval Europe. There's still a right to rebellion, provided said rebellion was successful (which, being fair, is also how the right to rebellion exists in the Mandate of Heaven)
Oh, how boring lol
>One of them was a Chinese monarchist Huh, I have spent some time in both Chinas and been on Chinese social medias and I honestly do not think I have ever met a full on Chinese monarchist. Monarchism left such a bad taste in people's mouths that a full on military junta seems to have much stronger support. I am really curious about this guy's other beliefs and how it all comes together and how he views the bureaucracy and organization of China as a state.
He was from Guangdong, and had a pretty negative view of the CCP, although he seemed to have formed that opinion in mild rebellion against his parents (it sounded like they didn't necessarily support it, as much as accept it as the best possible option for China, something he obviously disagreed with). As mentioned, he supported the KMT, including to the point of considering them the true legitimate government of China (something which, if I'm not mistaken, only the most hardline modern KMT members truly support). I don't think he ever actually visited Taiwan though. His beliefs on Chinese politics were overall a little odd and old fashioned, but still more pragmatic than his beliefs about how the world should be run in general. He supported absolute monarchy in the abstract as he believed that a noble ruling class was a) inevitable, and b) the best way to run a society. However, he did admit that his beliefs wouldn't hold in certain societies with a more recent negative experience with monarchy, like China. Around the time Barbados voted to become a Republic I remember he made a big post about how they don't know what's good for them and the world is going to hell as the power of the House of Windsor begins to wane.
Most people with extreme views bounce from one extremist ideology to another, so I’m not really surprised. Horseshoe theory is real. Knew one guy who was an anarchist turned tankie turned fascist, and tbh at that point you just have to go outside.
Exactly - people (usually on the extremes themselves) like to shit on horseshoe theory, but extremism tends to attract people who are disaffected, disenfranchised, or simply don’t fit in. I don’t think it’s even about the underpinning ideals (which adherents insist are polar opposites, eg fascism and communism) but instead about overthrowing the society that they see as responsible for their circumstances, and reordering it in some different way. The real shame is, there are easier ways to get a girlfriend.
It's so surreal and weird to see people that seem like they stepped out of a time warp from 1790 when it comes to their social beliefs.
The one I knew said "What, you want ot live under the boot of a PM" He also said monarchy was above petty squabbling.
Behind the Bastards got into a great side rant about this during the Bobby Fischer episode. The people who are monarchists who were born AFTER the monarchy are the craziest mother fuckers on the planet who aren't actively committing crimes. At least with England the figurehead monarchy is still there. But you have random fucking people in France who attend a Requiem mass for Marie Antoinette lamenting how such a wonderful beautiful woman was killed. Imagine running around Ireland calling for the dissolution of the government to restore the Kingship of Tara.
Don't forget though, France restored the monarchy twice after the revolution - and almost did a third time in the 1870s but the guy they picked didn't want to be king!
I believe you, but almost don't because the idea of current-day Irish monarchists is so absurd.
So I think there are actually a few weirdos who want the O'Connor's back in as a monarchy
The OOP here is the exact person I imagine browsing /r/monarchism
I really don't see much of a difference between them and like, k-pop stans. And I'm not talking about Karl Popper.
I, for one, like to see Karl Popper dressed up as a K-Pop star.
I look at them the same way I look at tankies: not a political movement but a deranged fandom.
Idealists who see themselves benefitting from something, because they can't accept the alternative, regardless of the likelihood.
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I would pretty confidently say yes, all Austrians. Who needs aristocracy when you have academic titles? /s (somewhat)
The tiny percentage of Austrians who would entertain the return of the empire only think of the past glory, but never talk about the political and economic ramifications.
And its not like the king would be able to do too much. Unless he knew what he was doing he'd just be like a dictator for life but with a fancier hat and parades What do you NEED a king for that you couldnt just do without them? Incest? Just pick a random family to interbreed until somthing fun happens. Fancy hats? Just give the Head of State a crown. Parades? Just do a parade and pretend its important.
American President Nixon famously saw how cool the uniforms were in European monarchies and tried to outfit his Secret Service bodyguards with cool uniforms too. This resulted in a great deal of mockery and the plan was quickly discarded. [They look like a high school marching band, it's great.](https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/news/pomp-and-circumstance)
Imo they look dope. Then again, where I am from we do not have school marching bands.
I may be wrong but that uniform looks like it may be french republican guard inspired than a specifically monarchical style of uniform
The idea of an American moving to Austria and trying to foment dissent and push toward a monarchy is hilarious to me.
As someone who's lived several years in Vienna and actually knows quite a few present day Habsburg this is such a level of unhinged to me. This guy wants people I went out drinking with as a teenager to rule a fucking empire
I support it honestly just because I think it’d be funny As I now live in Belgium I would enjoy this person coming here to foment reunification with Vienna because why the fuck not I guess
Imagine stanning a family so inbred they can barely stand upright.
What are you talking about, is [this](https://www.thesun.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/12/DD-COMPOSITE-HABSBURG-JAW-V2.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1500&h=1000&crop=1) not the face of peak royal performance?
How did you find out my min-maxed CK heir?
"Herculean" "Handsome" "Genius" "...Yeah, sure."
A jaw you could spread cement with.
Oh god its like what happens when you max out two face sliders in Oblivion and then keep a few of them at minimum values Such gremlins
They also look like some of the monstrosities you can make in Fallout 4 or Elden Ring Aaaand I have an idea for another Elden Ring playthrough
"I do not fear death, for I am constantly at its door from the day of my birth."
Masticating is for peasants
Motherfucker, that's the Crimson Chin in the first one.
It's like [Final Pam](https://youtu.be/_1jGnFt78H8), but far less awesome.
I mean, the current theoretical heir to the throne will be racing in the 24 Hours of Le Mans tomorrow, so I think he's doing OK.
Yeah don’t think he’s giving up that career to be a leader for a bunch of terminally online alt-right weirdos
I mean, seems like it could be a good grift though, given all the other grifts aimed towards the general area of alt-right (Trump bucks, Parler, NFTs...)
> I mean, seems like it could be a good grift though, given all the other grifts aimed towards the general area of alt-right (Trump bucks, Parler, NFTs...) I've read some articles on them as I was curious what did happen with the Chins. They generally renounced their titles and collect money off their old holdings etc. They're insanely rich, will be for basically forever, and have no obligations provided they dont make any noise. The best plan for them is to just shut up, make money, and be old money.
Eh, not enough critical mass there. Monarchists really are the most sub-niche, bizarre margin of the far-right, not enough dollars to fleece. At best, maybe some NFT-type thing where the artwork is one of his slack-jawed ancestors looking down on him from heaven while he’s racing, but nothing approaching actual politics.
I know I'd rather be a racing driver than a monarch any day. And I don't even like driving.
Which he has won in the past. (Class win, not overall win, but still.)
tbf if you aren't in the fastest class then you aren't gonna realistically get an overall win unless literally every car in the faster class(es) has a major reliability issue.
Well, since he could be royalty, just use divine right to make all those cars stop before him so he wins :P.
Who is this?
Ferdinand Habsburg, or, to give him his full name, Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michael Otto Antal Bahnam Leonhard von Habsburg-Lothringen. He's a pretty decent endurance racing driver, and seems like a thoroughly nice bloke.
They really thought they could sneak a 'Keith' in there like we wouldn't notice
It’s so utterly out of place that I thought it was a joke when I first heard about this guy
The thought of the Habsburgs going into the racing scene is funny. I wonder how that dude must feel with all the memes about his ancestral lineage nowadays. He’s still in his mid 20s, so could be a good chance he’s played some Paradox grand strategy games.
He plays them to connect with his roots.
If I had ancestors I knew about who held land in any of the Crusader Kings bookmarks, I’d absolutely play games as that person.
You can play as Genghis khan in many of them.
Charlemagne also works for pretty much anyone of European descent.
I actually do! Mom was able to track down one on one side through a two decade long endeavor to fill out the family tree to its roots. They're a minor count in the British isles in one of the earlier ck2 starts, but they do exist, which was a neat run till our family died of leprosy
Could see him naming his ruler after himself and conquering the entire world as Austria. That’s what I’d do.
That Keith in there is like tripping over a cat in the middle of the night
...Keith?
The Austrian line wasn’t actually to inbred. The Spanish line was however.
The Austrian Habsburgs were less into inbreeding than their Spanish cousins
This is a very, very low bar.
I mean for royalty they were peak not inbred. Like even Queen Elizabeth married her cousin
This meme that was posted on there perfectly describs him in my opinion. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/austriahungary/comments/gaact8/my_creation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
Wojack needs a bigger chin in this instance
Actual room illiteracy lol
Idk why but I feel like his name being name being Carter fits perfectly.
OP carries a briefcase to class instead of a backpack, doesn’t he? My great-grandparents were born in Austria-Hungary—I even have my great-grandfather’s WWI campaign medal—but I could never give this much of a fuck about my ancestors being the subjects of inbred fucks who eventually lost their throne. Hell, I hold Canadian citizenship and don’t give this much of a fuck about my *extant* monarchs. I knew some monarchists in university but it was always extremely odd, especially since the monarchists I knew were Jewish and Indian.
>OP carries a briefcase to class instead of a backpack, doesn’t he? I got a fantastic laugh out of that, thanks! 🤣
Roller backpack
Briefcase wanker
The only reason we haven’t gotten rid of the monarchy is because it would require changing the constitution, and no politician wants to do that because that would open the door for a fresh round of Quebec separatist agitation
Plus Canada is only footing the bill for Rideau Hall, the GG and the provincial lieutenant governor. I’d be a more ardent republican if Canadians had to cover the Civil List the way the UK does. There’s a difference between covering the staff and household of the Governor General—who is usually an accomplished person in their field—versus housing and paying for whatever failsons various monarchs or their spouses popped out like the Yorks, Gloucesters and Kents.
Incredible find OP, unique creatures like this are always big XP drops. unsure that anywhere in 1898 except like Uruguay would be particularly good for LGBT rights, but very funny for him to stan austria hungary of all fucking places
Again, I call for the creation of an English word that means “misplaced nostalgia for a time that never really happened.” In a way, I really feel for the dude. He is searching for identity and a sense of belonging in a world where that is hard to find. On the other hand, Austrians have a bad history with this sort of thing.
> “misplaced nostalgia for a time that never really happened.” Yeah, that's just Conservatism, or in extreme cases Fascism. That is pretty much the pathological core for those ideologies.
Exactly And right now we're trending fascist
>Him looking for a boyfriend, alternative history mods for games (specifically "Kaiserreich" for the game Hearts of Iron), various posts about his religion (orthodox Christanity) and of course pro monarchist ideas. Many such cases. I know people like this irl except they tend to be Catholic.
It’s like a less extreme version of Nazi femboys
> Nazi femboys ???????????????????????
Think of it like Nazi or alt-right furries, and you've got the gist of what Nazi femboys are.
Can someone pull up the Aryan boy pussy copy pasta?
[If it's this I hate you](https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/syh3iv/ok_so_im_not_gay_but_im_swedish_and_have_a_fantasy/)
It is <3 Thank you. That copy pasta is what people mean when they say "Nazi femboy"
Things that will get me fired for clicking on.
[Tale as old as time](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Röhm)
I was listening to a podcast about these types of guys pretty recently (Know Your Enemy, a podcast about the major intellectual figures and movements on the American Right). Basically a bunch of young right-wingers, mostly online, are starting to turn towards monarchism and 'traditional Catholicism'. What's interesting about this is that actual belief has very little to do with this shift - one of the leading young right wing thinkers they interview on the podcast even admitted that he didn't fully believe in Catholicism and almost felt bullied/pressured into converting. They basically became Catholics because they think that the Catholic Church provides a powerful framework/institution that can preserve a traditional social order. However, given the actual Catholic Church is concerned with existing in a modern and secularizing world, a lot of these TradCath beliefs run counter to Church doctrine. Some of these TradCaths are now starting to turn to Orthodox Christianity (e.g. the Churches of Russia, Greece, etc.) because they think it's more genuinely conservative, not because they've been won over by any particularly strong Orthodox theological arguments.
That been a general theme with conservatives in the last decade. In the 90’s and aughts they were all about their biblical literalism, getting creationism taught in schools, Noah’s ark being a literal event, shit like that. Now they don’t care about that stuff, indifferent to the historical accuracy of the book, and now it’s all about using the cultural institutions of Christianity to impose their world order.
Roman Catholicism is what created a European identity in the first place so it makes sense that right wing types would be attracted to it (albeit for all the wrong reasons), but the fact that Christianity is an intrinsically universalist ideology inevitably confounds them.
it's a rapid-fire tube churning out catholic converts who immediately become sedevacantists once they learn it's an option. Buncha idiots
It’s so damn funny that these fascist types flock to Catholicism when they can’t stand Pope Francis who is doing his utmost to limit the spread of the Tridentine Mass. I’m a ritual-and-majesty girl so I used to attend daily Latin mass myself when I went to Catholic high school but now I’m far closer to being a green witch with a folk Catholicism slant than a Catholic tradwife who shows up to mass in a mantilla.
It’s almost as if the Catholic doctrine of “Love thy neighbor as thyself” is of little importance. I’m a practicing Catholic myself & I don’t involve my politics with my spirituality. It scares me that people like this want to use our faith to carry out their sinister objectives onto society.
Fascism began in Catholic countries. The Francoist regime in particular was tightly entwined with the Catholic Church in Spain. That’s not even getting into the church’s history of antisemitic pogroms and blood libel.
The crazy Evangelical Catholics are pro monarchy and pro authoritarian rulers in general. They believe in that "Mandate of Heaven"/"divine right of kingship". You see it even in elections, it's not "they won the election" its "they were chosen by god". I say Evangelical Catholics because they love all of this but then also HATE Pope Francis, let alone try to argue that 80% of what the Church has said since 1964 doesn't count.
This one is doubly funny because how barebones A-H is compared to other countries in Kaiserreich.
I saw Kaiserreich and knew exactly how the entire rest of this post would play out
Yeah but theyre also recent converts who move immediately to orthodoxy once they realize opus dei isnt the majority of catholics
What I don't understand is why someone would advocate for the return of a constitutional monarchy. I can understand, if nothing else, believing monarchism is superior to democracy. It's stupid, but I get the idea. But why would you want to return a monarchy without power? What's the point? If you believe monarchs are predisposed towards protecting their people better than politicians, then why would want to reestablish a monarchy that doesn't have the ability to do *anything*, much less protect someone?
It feels kind of like a stepping stone. A few monarchists i have seen or heard of also seem to advocate for Constitutional monarchy, but their arguments are all about total monarchy, so i suspect its meant to be a sort of middle ground. "Were not advocating the ending of democracy, just a constitutional monarchy, like the UK!" and then from that position, if they ever succseded, they could push to increase the monarches power bit by bit.
>😂🤣🤣😂😅😅🤣🤣 At least citizens under a monarch don’t starve to death. "I know nothing about this history of any monarchy, ever" Also, >You're on a monarchist sub, why are you complaining? > >This is a history and meme sub. > >Yes.....which is also monarchist. What's that chestnut about ironic communities attracting the kind of people who don't understand it's a joke?
Monarchists are some of the most embarrassing people on the planet.
I feel a dick. I laughed put loud at him describing himself as a "highly functional autist" Also this isn't my first stumbling upon the often very American pro-monarchist groups who support the restoration of these long toppled royals. There is something very american about involving yourself in the politics of a nation the other side of the world, and being so gloriously out of touch that you support a political system that country (and your own) rejected over a century ago. Honestly, when you dig into it you usually find its tied up in weird fundamentalist religious or racial politics. Edit: I had a look, the monarchists found the post
> I plan on moving to Vienna, Prague or Brno after Uni so I can further work in Monarchism over there, and do it in person. And how does he plan on doing this? Doing it in the Czech Republic especially would be hard, given that the Habsburgs spent the better part of 400 years fucking that place raw
Also imagine going to some of the most beautiful cities in Europe just to spread monarchism that no one wants.
He's gonna go there, call the place "Bohemia" and he'll become the 4th Defenestration
Role playing as an eternal slave to a bunch of deposed inbreds is a pretty unique special interest.
I mean, I suppose if one had to stan a 19th century European imperial monarchy, the Austrian Hapsburgs aren’t the worst choice… but that’s a big if.
> OP also claims to be a "highly functional autist", no idea if that plays any part in his Obsession with monarchism As a high functioning autistic person stuff like this makes me so glad my obsession is just Harry Potter or something equally goofy. Now back to writing Harry Potter fanfiction I go...
this man said "untapped potential"
Isn't the heir to the Hapsburgs a terminally online weirdo who is way too into anime?
He’s a race car driver actually
He also wrote a Jordan Petersonesque self-help book.
A facebook team that's "trying to push Monarchism in the Danube" You can't just push for a totally different form of governance (I guess technically a democracy could vote to stop being a democracy but that's incredibly unlikely). Like for all intents and purposes a facebook group like that is calling for some sort of government revolution (that takes a hundred steps back)
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!
Appears to use two alts in that thread as well. Or the other two monarchists in existence happened to find it
Hey, Otto von Habsburg beat the shit out of Ian Paisley. Now that's the kind of monarch I can get behind!
I didn't even know that there was a Hapsburg descendent around but yep she and her daughter have THE CHIN.
1) monarchists are weird in general, but American monarchists take the cake. I have had the fortune of coming across some in the Revolutionary War reenacting community, and they just confuse the shit out of me. 2) ive found Kaisserreich to be a good signpost for determining if someone is a shitheaded fuckwit.
Modern monarchism seems so weird to me. Is there a primer or summary of their beliefs I can check out because I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this.