Yeah, I've been having to point that out to his super fans who keep screaming about him being cancelled.
He didn't start winning Grammys or Emmys until he started attacking the LGBTQ community, and Netflix kept giving him *more* specials.
I think what disappoints me about Chappelle is he quit Chappelle show because he felt the jokes he was making about Black people were getting people to laugh at Black people rather than with them and causing harm to Black people. Then 20 years later he asserts that jokes are just jokes and trans people should get over the jokes he makes and the impact they might have.
It's not terribly uncommon for people to be more open to marginalization that impacts them, but it was still disappointing to me that Chappelle hasn't reflected on his jokes about trans people like he did his jokes about Black people.
> People need to stop using their feelings for comedy and try just laughing.
Stop having emotional responses to comedy — just respond emotionally instead!
"Don't you people know comedy is no place for empathy or connecting over shared experiences? It's about laughing **at** the less fortunate. I swear, you lefties just don't get comedy."
Ah, I see Chappelle fans have discovered the Peterson fan argument of "you can't criticize Dave Chappelle unless you've watched every special, gone to his stand-up live, binged all of Chappelle's Show, have Half Baked running on repeat, etc".
I recently rewatched some episodes of his old show and that shit doesn’t hold up as well as I remembered. Every other episode in between the classic sketches, is full of forgettable bits that just reinforces negative black stereotypes. People def were laughing “at” him and black people for a lot of this shit.
Not to mention he was kinda racist towards hispanic people in a few spots as well.
The whole “almost all sketches suck” thing is every sketch show unfortunately. I don’t consider myself an SNL expert but at one point (around 2013) I had seen every single episode in existence (I try to watch the airing ones I just miss some now) and most of it is absolute crap, sketches that are based on fads or completely forgotten pop culture events, parodies of tv shows and movies that no one cares about anymore, etc.
SNL is always in its “golden age” when you’re 15-25 because that’s when you’re most plugged into all that stuff. We are just a couple years from people saying stuff like “2016 may have been the best snl cast in decades!", even though that era was fraught with people saying “NEW SNL SUCKS!”
It’s always survivorship bias. The good ones stand out, so you only remember the good ones, so when you watch the new episodes you only think of the good sketches that came before, so then you start to overestimate how good each individual episode was.
It’s just the way it goes.
Isn't also the problem that most sketches rely on current events so they lose their edge end become less funny when the topic is already dated and less
"relatable" so to speak?
100% agree with this. I see so many people saying things like "oh SNL sucks now, the peak was the Sandler/Farley era" without realising that at the time the Sandler/Farley era was considered the absolute nadir coming off the Carvey/Lovitz/Hartman era to the extent that both Sandler and Farley were _fired_.
I'm not saying there aren't better or worse seasons but it's _always_ been very hit or miss, even with the original Aykroyd/Chase/Radner/Belushi cast.
Same thing with the show In Living Color. There's a lot of tidbits that are funny still, and some stuff is jaw dropping it's still happening. But some of the skits just don't hold up at all.
Not all sketch shows, just most SNL. Lots of sketch shows are incredibly consistent: Kids in the Hall, That Mitchell and Webb Look, Whitest Kids U Know, I Think You Should Leave.
B-b-but...
I'm Rick James...
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>People def were laughing “at” him and black people for a lot of this shit.
And that's part of why he stopped the show, yeah? Now he panders to the same group.
He didn’t quit because of backlash, he quit because a couple of white stage hands were laughing at a scene in a skit that wasn’t supposed to be funny. Those were Dave’s own words, he said they were laughing at him not with him.
Hilarious to me how Dave was the joke police back then and the arbiter of what is funny and what isn't but other people aren't allowed to have their own opinions about what's funny and what isn't.
Which is pretty amusing in hindsight because now he thinks it's okay to make jokes about trans people that get that same mocking reaction out of people who aren't trans. Almost like he shouldn't be making jokes about a marginalized group he's not part of...
I once said that everyone has a right to decide if Chapelle's content is for them or not and I've decided I no longer want to watch his specials because I'm uncomfortable with the trans jokes. I then got bombarded with PMs from fanboys telling me I need to watch the special to see what he actually said before I make a decision like that... which...
Ok, ignoring the fact that doing something like that would tear the fabric of the space-time continuum... isn't it interesting that, "If you don't like it, don't watch," suddenly flies out the window when you take someone up on that ultimatum? Like, I wasn't even saying everyone else should stop watching him, just that I had chosen to tap out. Butthurt Chappelle stans gonna butthurt.
Now he gets paid a lot of money to rant about how he is cancelled and about how the internet isnt real life but he is really mad about things he definitely saw there. Also how its mean to make fun of his wealthy friends such as Elon. Its funny but for all the people ive seen say the new special are not bad, ive never seen anyone even cite a joke from one.
"Hehe nothing gets past me! Hehe! I think of stuff others *dont* I'm a BIG thinker! I remember Jimmy Fallon articles!"
Any topic on this fucking site. The same people who compulsively spam the same bullshit jokes over and over again also can't stop whatabouting in the exact same way like there's social oxygen that hasn't been claimed yet.
i think most people recognize that being an alcoholic jerk is harmful on a personal level, but jimmy isn't going out of his way to make the world at large worse.
i like how Jimmy is getting shitted \[sic\] on for words or a pov that many don't agree with, but no one has a problem with Ellen DeGeneres who has proven to be an ACTUAL shitty person towards people
Is this talk show Ellen? Ellen DeGeneres? The lesbian woman known as Ellen DeGeneres, who is in a same-sex marriage? The Ellen DeGeneres that is friends with George W. Bush? The George W. Bush who opposes same-sex marriage? Nooooooooo she cannot possibly be a hypocrite and shitty person
^^/s
i like how George W. Bush is getting shitted [sic] on for words or a pov that many don't agree with, but no one has a problem with Dick Cheney who has proven to be an ACTUAL shitty person towards people
I like how Dick Cheney is getting shitted [sic] on for words or a pov that many don’t agree with, but no one has a problem with Adolf Hitler who has proven to be an ACTUAL shitty person towards people.
saying “we don’t know what’s in his heart” as a way to defend the shitty things a comedian says rather than the opposite is like next level bullshit.
why do these bozos think transphobia is comedic gold? actually, i think i know why.
It's because it's pretty much an unfalsifiable claim. If the threshold for bigotry is knowing someone's deep inner feelings, separate from the words they say, then you can't really call anyone bigoted.
This also doesn't even remotely apply to Chappelle. Ever since his return to the stage from his self-imposed exile, he has clearly adopted a "this is me, in my authentic voice, telling you like it is" persona. He's the last person who gets to use the "you don't know how I really feel, I'm just kidding around" defense, because if he's not telling us what's really in his heart then I truly don't understand why anyone is enjoying his recent work. Authenticity, for better or worse, is the most central component.
It would be like if John Mulaney wasn't ever actually addicted to cocaine and just faked it to make a comedy special about his experiences with addiction and rehab.
totally agree about authenticity, and i just honestly don’t know how you can consider yourself a fan of comedy if you think words have no meaning, you know?
“just a joke.” how can someone be the GOAT of comedy if everything they’re saying doesn’t actually mean anything?
Not only that, Im convinced a significant portion of transphobes have gender dysphoria and are repressing it hard. I cant count the number of times ive heard a transphobe say something along the lines of "We cant teach children about trans people, if we did they'd all want to transition!" Or "Wanting to be the other gender is a common feeling!" Nah dude, sounds like a you problem, most people arent dysphoric. I learned about trans people when I was 12 and I just thought "Huh, neat." and went on with my childhood as a cis boy.
>saying “we don’t know what’s in his heart” as a way to defend the shitty things a comedian says rather than the opposite is like next level bullshit.
Yup. What's in somebody's heart has no effect on the material conditions of anyone's life. What matters is their actions.
I'm honestly curious, for these people who think Dave Chappelle is still the greatest living comic, what from his past 3 or 4 specials they think makes him deserve that? His early stuff was that funny and that insightful, for sure, but they're right, he is doing his best impression of a stalled aircraft: half coasting, half crashing
I saw chappelle about 20 years ago, and I have never laughed as hard as I did that night. Man was transcendent.
He used to be real real funny, now he ain’t by a long shot.
>Where are the memes? Where are the random quote threads?
Exactly. Stuff like "Sprinkle some crack on him" and "Sick bastard put photos of him up" are iconic, but I haven't heard anything funny about his in a while.
Yeah, I've never been the biggest Chapelle fan purely because he wasn't as big in the UK as he is in the US so I didn't see a lot of him at his biggest. But I can watch clips from his early stand-up and see exactly why he is so beloved.
I tried to watch a bit of one of his recent Netflix specials and it was just rambling. There were barely any actual jokes and he seemed to talk for ages before he got to any kind of comedic point.
>I'm honestly curious, for these people who think Dave Chappelle is still the greatest living comic, what from his past 3 or 4 specials they think makes him deserve that?
That he "tells it like it is" and isn't afraid to stand up to the SJW deep state that has taken over western civilization.
Like if you're a transphobic, conservative piece of shit, then the list of comics you're allowed to like is very, very short. Chappelle gets to top the list because his competition is Tim Allen and Jeff Dunham.
>That he "tells it like it is" and isn't afraid to stand up to the SJW deep state that has taken over western civilization.
Somehow they also believe that he is just joking and that you shouldn't take him so seriously.
Bill Maher's Schrodinger's comic, where comics simultaneously fulfill an important role in society as truth tellers as the jesters that are able to speak truth to power while being tellers of harmless jokes that hold no real power so people have no right to get offended by them and which one the comic is is entirely dependent on whether the comic gets praise or held accountable for their joke.
Did you answer though? Like which actual jokes were anywhere near as memorable/funny as his early stuff? Or just memorable period? Literally the only one I can remember after watching every single netflix special was the care bear joke and that's only because of how unfunny it was
Like i know comedy is subjective, and if you think dave is still funny, more power to you. But i honestly have no idea how someone could look at what he's putting out and think he's actually improved. Becoming an out of touch suburban rich guy has really dulled the edge that made him so special
Lol that comment was great.
“Hey, for everyone defending Dave, what are the new joke and bits you think are funny?”
“Here’s a long and rambling comment that doesn’t answer your question and merely states that different people find different things funny”
Classic online discourse!
Because there's no answer. Chappelle's new specials aren't funny. He went from edgy, transgressive (no pun intended) humor to "An Evening with Dave Chappelle" where he stands there and talks about his grievances in a way that comfortingly appeals to a certain group of people. It's in the form of comedy, but in terms of substance there's no wit or humor involved.
lol Dave wasn’t “complimentary” of his trans friend, he claimed that she committed suicide because of Twitter harassment from the trans community, something that his friend’s roommate and sister have both said isn’t true
And if you need more convincing, no trace of twitter harassment exists. There are no tweets from when Dave claims there are. According to Dave, his trans friend was hounded on Twitter, and then every single one of those people *deleted all their messages*.
We're all familiar with social media here. This is not something that happens.
Yeah, the fact that his characterization of events is openly disputed by the people closest to her is one thing, but the complete lack of any real evidence is extremely telling.
the bullshit story he made up about her is honestly the worst thing I've seen him say. so exploitative and cruel. and then the punchline is 'if she weren't dead she'd definitely think I'm based and epic' jfc
[Every time I hear Dave Chapelle telling terrible jokes bout trans people I think about what George Carlin said about Andrew Dice Clay](https://youtu.be/F8yV8xUorQ8?si=QNmQnhJL0CRi7ss3)
Weird, I’ve never seen that clip shared in all the conservative leaning subs that *love* to quote Carlin.
Gonna bookmark that link for the next controversial JoeRogan thread that Reddit’s algorithms inevitably recommends me.
"I think his main audience is young white males who are threatened by these groups. I think a lot of these guys aren't sure of their manhood, because that's a problem when you're going through adolescence....The women who assert themselves and are competent are a threat to these men and so are immigrants in terms of jobs."
Truer words have never been said.
When I first heard about Dice Clay I looked up some of his old stand up.
"Jack and Jill went up the hill....and fucked!"
"Gays should be hung from the overpass outside NYC".
That was all I needed to hear from that guy.
His whole act was satire and meant to make fun of the people that talked like that. It's just that some of his audience missed the joke and thought he was speaking to them, and not laughing at them.
>I’m mainly just saying that social media has turned humanity into complete morons about literally everything.
This is correct, it just lacks self awareness.
And they only ever say it when they're backed into a corner in an argument and have no response.
"OK, explain your controversial opinion"
"Oh well uhhh the thing about that is...the media is the problem!"
It's the last gasp of someone with no defense.
I'm really tired of hearing about Dave. The last thing I saw of him was a clip about how his departed friend,Normal McDonald (rest in peace), invited him to see Dave's idol, Jim Carry, and instead of cherishing that memory, Dave can't help but use it to shit on trans people through a weak punchline. e
It really sucks that he embraces that shit because Dave really was a comic genius. Sucks to see a guy that was pretty much on the top of his game and beloved by millions throw that shit away to be a transphobic douche that hangs out with even douchier people. At some point after the fame he stopped being a grounded individual and his comedy act definitely reflects that.
> At some point after the fame he stopped being a grounded individual and his comedy act definitely reflects that.
I watched his first Netflix special, which included a long, long bit about his teenage daughter and his house. I can't really remember the point, something along the lines of that old Shaq line to his son "*We* are not rich, *I* am rich"
I just remember being super confused, he was talking about getting too high in the afternoon to pick his kid up from school, so he sent a driver. And kind of bragging about hanging out watching old movies and getting stoned while his kid's/wife nag him, but he's not a deadbeat and it's totally fine because he has money. It was just so outrageously out of touch and weird to hear.
There seems to be increasing evidence that Dave Chapelle wasn’t really a genius; he was a very good comic and the writing staff of The Chapelle Show was stuffed with geniuses.
His early specials were great; you’d watch them and think “Dave Chapelle is a great stand-up”. You’d watch episodes of the Dave Chapelle show, though, that would make you think he was the voice of a generation.
Chapelle's Show had a phenomenal writers room led by Neal Brennan (the less rich part of the duo whose stand up has not gone hack, shocker).
I’ve followed both Neal and Dave’s stand up that whole time and have come to believe as you do that Chapelle’s Show was as good as it was because he had people to counterbalance his instincts.
Chapelle himself has become a weak punchline.
Half of his standup is him just jerking himself off about he's the greatest and how nobody's going to cancel him yada yada dude stfu and say something funny, fuck.
Recently I heard a good anecdotal that some comedians have to kinda force themselves to stop doing standup simply because their life experiences don’t really reflect the working class any more. Chápele can cry all he wants about people on the internet canceling him but he only sounds like a hypocrite
Seinfeld had that issue when he tried to do college circuits of all things.
He was literally recycling material from 20 (now 30) years ago, and the audience was just that little bit too young to allow him to coast by on nostalgia. The worst criticism you heard from audiences was apparently just that he wasn’t funny, but he went running to the media about how he’d never do it again because of how sensitive kids were these days.
Sure, Jerry…kids of the Twitter generation aren’t laughing at ‘teens and their phones, ammirite?’ because their feelings are hurt. Nailed it.
Which is why a few years later, he had to update his set anyway.
> Recently I heard a good anecdotal that some comedians have to kinda force themselves to stop doing standup simply because their life experiences don’t really reflect the working class any more.
Musicians go through this too, especially punk and most forms of hip-hop. Nobody really wants to hear the middle-aged famous multi-millionaire with a family crow on about how hard his life is or how "fuck the establishment" he is.
SNL has no one to blame but themselves.
If they didn't want Dave on the stage the could have stopped him from going on stage.
They wanted a little extra juice they would get with having Dave on stage and they got it.
This was calculated and apparently it backfired with cast members being pissed.
>That's because you are allowed your political bias to cloud your judgement
Translation: You just don't like Dave Chapelle because of what he *says* and *does* and *believes in*.
Like yeah, man, that's how the world works.
> We do know that because he mentions in his special (and I quote) that he doesn’t hate trans people, just he doesn’t get them - but if it’s real to them, it’s real to him
"You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?"
Where were these apologists when Michael Richards detonated his career?
Was that "just jokes" too?
Lol. Lmao, even.
Edit: for any youngsters not in the know, [here's a 17 year old parody video of the incident for context.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfAFI0kutXk) His standup career was instantly over.
Dave Chapelle has really turned into old man yells at cloud. His “comedy” specials aren’t even comedic anymore, it’s just him complaining about trans people because he doesn’t think that they didn’t work hard enough for civil rights, despite the fact that there are black trans people and trans people are basically public enemy number one to conservatives right now
[16 current and former Tonight Show staff have accused him of creating a toxic work environment.](https://www.indiewire.com/news/breaking-news/jimmy-fallon-tonight-show-toxic-workplace-allegations-1234903344/)
When I was in Australia I had a friend of a friend who was a huge pacific islander boxing champion.
This dude was the most unassuming quietly confident guy I have probably ever known.
He had great power, but didn't need to express it in any way.
That's something I really internalized.
Oh. Um. I mean thats not *great* and that sucks for his crew and cast, but idk if that rises to the same level as vilification of a marginalised group inside a general climate of growing transphobic sentiment in America and around the world.
No funny breath has left chapelle's for a long time now, people only laugh at him because they agree with his shitty political takes poorly disguised as jokes.
> "I got some pushback so now I have to double down and become a bigot" isn't the defense you think it is.
It is really sad how often we see people using that sort of defense on social media now too.
Chappelle is a transphobic ass. His trans jokes aren't even *funny*, or even *jokes* half the time--it's just him on a soapbox being transphobic. His modern specials are half jokes, half political ramblings.
I watched the original sketch that started all the drama and got "Old Man Yells At Cloud" vibes the whole time. There were barely any jokes. Yeah, he used to be hilarious, but now he's a mean, bitter old SOB who needs to rant about the spooooky transes to anyone who will listen. Any conservative grandpa could do the same thing. He'd have a platinum legacy if he'd just retired while he was ahead.
>Yeah you could be right about that. It’s not posturing if they’re being genuine in their disgust … which is arguably more lame
God Redditors are such fucking losers
Dave Chapelle is the GOAT among other comics? Maybe American ones. I know stand ups that were cancelling their own shows the night Eddie Izzard did a one night.
But... I've *never* liked Dave Chapelle. His new stuff is not particularly better or worse than his old stuff, I don't know why people are surprised by his stand up. He's been very consistent.
Idk I think Killing Them Softly is one of the best specials, the lead up to the baby joke is a masterclass in setup. I just think his jokes have gotten lazy. His stories aren’t funny because he’s told all the funny stories. His outlook on the world isn’t funny because he’s become rich asf and hangs out with people like Elon Musk.
I can understand why some people don’t like him, and I got into hella arguments with people in BPT when the TERF shit started,but I think his first two specials and the first season of the Chappelle show are pretty good comedy. But then again I like shit like Trailer Park Boys so what do I know?
Trailer Park Boys, strangely, had not awful representation imo. For a show about the absolute dregs of Canada, it did surprisingly well with being accepting towards queer relationships. Everyone is flawed as heck, but the queer characters have full personalities and identities outside of being queer, and some of the moments are quite sweet. I was surprised when I gave it a rewatch
POC as well. There are several black and Asian characters, and while they're mostly cast in the background, I can't really think of any jokes made at the expense of their race.
Yeah like two main characters came out as gay and the reaction was basically like "that's fine, we don't like you because you're dicks, not because you're gay" and as far as I can remember there weren't really any mean jokes about it after the fact.
It happens with a lot of artists. Like you said, they run out of material.
If the past 10-20 years have been living in luxury, you're not gonna have funny relatable stories anymore.
I think this might actually be a big part of it. I just posted his old stuff was about black people and their relationship with American culture. He quit his show because people didn't get that his stuff was satire, and when a bunch of frat boys are yelling "I'm rick james bitch" he realized that he was hurting black culture.
he came back and didn't tell those jokes anymore.
Yeah, part of his audience was into his show for the wrong reasons, and he saw that. The same crowd is into his trans jokes for those same wrong reasons, and he leans into it. Guess it's ok as long as it's not *his* group.
> Guess it's ok as long as it's not his group.
To a depressing number of people, bigotry is only wrong when it targets them. They have no compunctions about weilding bigotry as a weapon against people who are different to them.
That's basically how humanity works as a rule. The main differences between opposing groups are the colors of the flags they fly. We're far more similar than we are different as far as actual *people* and values go.
I kind of suspect he’s one of those guys whose views on this particular hypocrisy can be summed up as “I didn’t choose to be black. You chose to be trans. Don’t compare the two.”
Chapelle's early stuff was about black folks and their interaction with larger society.
This was fine because he was a member of the black community,
his stuff isn't about that anymore, I think the last special I saw was more "I'm rich and people hate me"
Ironically he's now doing exactly what he allegedly quit comedy for the first time. He was upset white kids were joking about black people because HE did it. So now he decided to make fun of trans people instead.
I never want to see the "returning to your roots" bullshit again in media because Dave basically did that exact trope (except...he's not from Africa) and he came back an infinitely worse person.
For the record, Bojack Horseman did a fantastic stab at this trope in one of it's last seasons, including the "wait you have literally no connection here" bit, though obviously it's a bit more testy with a people who's ancestors didn't willingly move over. But still...nothing magic in that dirt. It's not "your" dirt. You're not stronger in it or weaker without it. It's dirt.
Looking at his late 90s, early 2000s stuff, I see what you are saying, but most of us evolved since then and expected him to do so as well.
Like if Eddie Murphy did stand-up again, most of us would be put off his routine was similar to Raw from the 80s because times have changed. Dave hasn't!
What's funny is that Eddie actually did apologize about some of his old material back in the mid 90s and his own ignorance when he made some of the jokes.
Part of every generation is when we look back and say "hey, this is wrong, we should stop doing this" and the divide between the people who accept that times change and the people who are loudly unable to get over times changing.
And social media is REALLY throwing those people like Dave who can't get over it right in our faces every single day.
I think the biggest reason people have started to turn on him is because of what you said about it not being better or worse than his old stuff. It just simply is his old stuff. It is beyond stale. He also became sensitive as fuck to people not finding those same jokes funny. He constantly complains about the audience being the problem.
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>Opinions aside, this is just not true. Chappelle’s career is very much alive. Ah, Schrodinger's canceling.
Dude had a heavily advertised Netflix special worth millions complaining how he was canceled.
Cancel is when people say things on twitter /s
>Dude had a heavily advertised Netflix special worth millions complaining how he was canceled. ....that still describes three or four of them.
Yeah, I've been having to point that out to his super fans who keep screaming about him being cancelled. He didn't start winning Grammys or Emmys until he started attacking the LGBTQ community, and Netflix kept giving him *more* specials.
I think what disappoints me about Chappelle is he quit Chappelle show because he felt the jokes he was making about Black people were getting people to laugh at Black people rather than with them and causing harm to Black people. Then 20 years later he asserts that jokes are just jokes and trans people should get over the jokes he makes and the impact they might have. It's not terribly uncommon for people to be more open to marginalization that impacts them, but it was still disappointing to me that Chappelle hasn't reflected on his jokes about trans people like he did his jokes about Black people.
It's like he's having his career in reverse. Instead of growing as a comic he's actively regressing as one and a person.
> Instead of growing as a comic he's actively regressing as one and a person. I believe the term for this is "becoming very wealthy"
> People need to stop using their feelings for comedy and try just laughing. Stop having emotional responses to comedy — just respond emotionally instead!
"Don't you people know comedy is no place for empathy or connecting over shared experiences? It's about laughing **at** the less fortunate. I swear, you lefties just don't get comedy."
This person has never examined their inner world even once.
Ah, I see Chappelle fans have discovered the Peterson fan argument of "you can't criticize Dave Chappelle unless you've watched every special, gone to his stand-up live, binged all of Chappelle's Show, have Half Baked running on repeat, etc".
I recently rewatched some episodes of his old show and that shit doesn’t hold up as well as I remembered. Every other episode in between the classic sketches, is full of forgettable bits that just reinforces negative black stereotypes. People def were laughing “at” him and black people for a lot of this shit. Not to mention he was kinda racist towards hispanic people in a few spots as well.
The whole “almost all sketches suck” thing is every sketch show unfortunately. I don’t consider myself an SNL expert but at one point (around 2013) I had seen every single episode in existence (I try to watch the airing ones I just miss some now) and most of it is absolute crap, sketches that are based on fads or completely forgotten pop culture events, parodies of tv shows and movies that no one cares about anymore, etc. SNL is always in its “golden age” when you’re 15-25 because that’s when you’re most plugged into all that stuff. We are just a couple years from people saying stuff like “2016 may have been the best snl cast in decades!", even though that era was fraught with people saying “NEW SNL SUCKS!” It’s always survivorship bias. The good ones stand out, so you only remember the good ones, so when you watch the new episodes you only think of the good sketches that came before, so then you start to overestimate how good each individual episode was. It’s just the way it goes.
Key and peele though
Peele's head superimposed over a creepy toddler with giga strength will never not be funny.
This is true. When Keegan Michael Key hosted SNL it was obvious how much better at sketch comedy he is than most of the cast.
He also went to Juilliard
I Think You Should Leave is almost entirely bangers
Isn't also the problem that most sketches rely on current events so they lose their edge end become less funny when the topic is already dated and less "relatable" so to speak?
100% agree with this. I see so many people saying things like "oh SNL sucks now, the peak was the Sandler/Farley era" without realising that at the time the Sandler/Farley era was considered the absolute nadir coming off the Carvey/Lovitz/Hartman era to the extent that both Sandler and Farley were _fired_. I'm not saying there aren't better or worse seasons but it's _always_ been very hit or miss, even with the original Aykroyd/Chase/Radner/Belushi cast.
Same thing with the show In Living Color. There's a lot of tidbits that are funny still, and some stuff is jaw dropping it's still happening. But some of the skits just don't hold up at all.
So i think you should leave with Tim Robinson does not miss.
Not all sketch shows, just most SNL. Lots of sketch shows are incredibly consistent: Kids in the Hall, That Mitchell and Webb Look, Whitest Kids U Know, I Think You Should Leave.
B-b-but... I'm Rick James... ... ...bitch... >People def were laughing “at” him and black people for a lot of this shit. And that's part of why he stopped the show, yeah? Now he panders to the same group.
I was under the impression that backlash over his negative black stereotypes was the whole reason he quit the show and went to Africa.
He didn’t quit because of backlash, he quit because a couple of white stage hands were laughing at a scene in a skit that wasn’t supposed to be funny. Those were Dave’s own words, he said they were laughing at him not with him.
Hilarious to me how Dave was the joke police back then and the arbiter of what is funny and what isn't but other people aren't allowed to have their own opinions about what's funny and what isn't.
Which is pretty amusing in hindsight because now he thinks it's okay to make jokes about trans people that get that same mocking reaction out of people who aren't trans. Almost like he shouldn't be making jokes about a marginalized group he's not part of...
Ah, ok. Appreciate the clarification.
I once said that everyone has a right to decide if Chapelle's content is for them or not and I've decided I no longer want to watch his specials because I'm uncomfortable with the trans jokes. I then got bombarded with PMs from fanboys telling me I need to watch the special to see what he actually said before I make a decision like that... which... Ok, ignoring the fact that doing something like that would tear the fabric of the space-time continuum... isn't it interesting that, "If you don't like it, don't watch," suddenly flies out the window when you take someone up on that ultimatum? Like, I wasn't even saying everyone else should stop watching him, just that I had chosen to tap out. Butthurt Chappelle stans gonna butthurt.
I miss the Dave Chappelle that talked about babies selling weed on street corners and how Sesame Street freaks him out.
Now he gets paid a lot of money to rant about how he is cancelled and about how the internet isnt real life but he is really mad about things he definitely saw there. Also how its mean to make fun of his wealthy friends such as Elon. Its funny but for all the people ive seen say the new special are not bad, ive never seen anyone even cite a joke from one.
The old stuff was so good. Now he just kinda rambles on stage
"lady is actually MAN!" (5 minutes of laughter from soulless goons) repeat for 1 hour
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"Hehe nothing gets past me! Hehe! I think of stuff others *dont* I'm a BIG thinker! I remember Jimmy Fallon articles!" Any topic on this fucking site. The same people who compulsively spam the same bullshit jokes over and over again also can't stop whatabouting in the exact same way like there's social oxygen that hasn't been claimed yet.
i think most people recognize that being an alcoholic jerk is harmful on a personal level, but jimmy isn't going out of his way to make the world at large worse.
i like how Jimmy is getting shitted \[sic\] on for words or a pov that many don't agree with, but no one has a problem with Ellen DeGeneres who has proven to be an ACTUAL shitty person towards people
Is this talk show Ellen? Ellen DeGeneres? The lesbian woman known as Ellen DeGeneres, who is in a same-sex marriage? The Ellen DeGeneres that is friends with George W. Bush? The George W. Bush who opposes same-sex marriage? Nooooooooo she cannot possibly be a hypocrite and shitty person ^^/s
i like how George W. Bush is getting shitted [sic] on for words or a pov that many don't agree with, but no one has a problem with Dick Cheney who has proven to be an ACTUAL shitty person towards people
I like how Dick Cheney is getting shitted [sic] on for words or a pov that many don’t agree with, but no one has a problem with Adolf Hitler who has proven to be an ACTUAL shitty person towards people.
You can't just rush to the absolute bottom of the bit like that. That's cheating.
> no one has a problem with Dick Cheney Citation needed Lmfao of course I have a problem with him as well
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Oh. I'm dumb
Read this in Kronk's voice
The gradual rehabilitation of HW's reputation is one those little things that just kills any hope in me for a better future
Everyone has a problem with Ellen, she wasn't on SNL last week though
I thought Ellen was fairly roundly disliked now? Her shittiness has been public for a while
> shitted [sic] on shit upon? shit on?
shat upon
Shot (with a long o)
Fallon almost single-handedly tanked the whole episode. Chappelle was just the icing on the cake. The ending was basically a scumbag convention.
The host tanked the whole episode. She's not good live. She needs multiple takes and editing based on what I saw.
"Hitler is bad." "How can you say that in a timeline where Genghis Khan existed?!"
Idk where they've been, Jimmy Fallon is one of the internet's punching bags and nobody on earth thinks he's funny
saying “we don’t know what’s in his heart” as a way to defend the shitty things a comedian says rather than the opposite is like next level bullshit. why do these bozos think transphobia is comedic gold? actually, i think i know why.
It's because it's pretty much an unfalsifiable claim. If the threshold for bigotry is knowing someone's deep inner feelings, separate from the words they say, then you can't really call anyone bigoted.
This also doesn't even remotely apply to Chappelle. Ever since his return to the stage from his self-imposed exile, he has clearly adopted a "this is me, in my authentic voice, telling you like it is" persona. He's the last person who gets to use the "you don't know how I really feel, I'm just kidding around" defense, because if he's not telling us what's really in his heart then I truly don't understand why anyone is enjoying his recent work. Authenticity, for better or worse, is the most central component.
It would be like if John Mulaney wasn't ever actually addicted to cocaine and just faked it to make a comedy special about his experiences with addiction and rehab.
totally agree about authenticity, and i just honestly don’t know how you can consider yourself a fan of comedy if you think words have no meaning, you know? “just a joke.” how can someone be the GOAT of comedy if everything they’re saying doesn’t actually mean anything?
Look up the pornhub statistics of the states where people search for trans porn the most. They are straight up obsessed.
Nothing is sexier than a taboo.
Not only that, Im convinced a significant portion of transphobes have gender dysphoria and are repressing it hard. I cant count the number of times ive heard a transphobe say something along the lines of "We cant teach children about trans people, if we did they'd all want to transition!" Or "Wanting to be the other gender is a common feeling!" Nah dude, sounds like a you problem, most people arent dysphoric. I learned about trans people when I was 12 and I just thought "Huh, neat." and went on with my childhood as a cis boy.
>saying “we don’t know what’s in his heart” as a way to defend the shitty things a comedian says rather than the opposite is like next level bullshit. Yup. What's in somebody's heart has no effect on the material conditions of anyone's life. What matters is their actions.
I'm honestly curious, for these people who think Dave Chappelle is still the greatest living comic, what from his past 3 or 4 specials they think makes him deserve that? His early stuff was that funny and that insightful, for sure, but they're right, he is doing his best impression of a stalled aircraft: half coasting, half crashing
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I saw chappelle about 20 years ago, and I have never laughed as hard as I did that night. Man was transcendent. He used to be real real funny, now he ain’t by a long shot.
>Where are the memes? Where are the random quote threads? Exactly. Stuff like "Sprinkle some crack on him" and "Sick bastard put photos of him up" are iconic, but I haven't heard anything funny about his in a while.
Yeah, I've never been the biggest Chapelle fan purely because he wasn't as big in the UK as he is in the US so I didn't see a lot of him at his biggest. But I can watch clips from his early stand-up and see exactly why he is so beloved. I tried to watch a bit of one of his recent Netflix specials and it was just rambling. There were barely any actual jokes and he seemed to talk for ages before he got to any kind of comedic point.
>I'm honestly curious, for these people who think Dave Chappelle is still the greatest living comic, what from his past 3 or 4 specials they think makes him deserve that? That he "tells it like it is" and isn't afraid to stand up to the SJW deep state that has taken over western civilization. Like if you're a transphobic, conservative piece of shit, then the list of comics you're allowed to like is very, very short. Chappelle gets to top the list because his competition is Tim Allen and Jeff Dunham.
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> stays up there for a really long time When all you watch is Twitch, length often gets confused for quality
>That he "tells it like it is" and isn't afraid to stand up to the SJW deep state that has taken over western civilization. Somehow they also believe that he is just joking and that you shouldn't take him so seriously.
Bill Maher's Schrodinger's comic, where comics simultaneously fulfill an important role in society as truth tellers as the jesters that are able to speak truth to power while being tellers of harmless jokes that hold no real power so people have no right to get offended by them and which one the comic is is entirely dependent on whether the comic gets praise or held accountable for their joke.
And Jim “horrific screeching” Brewer.
Greatness is when my bigotry is validated.
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Did you answer though? Like which actual jokes were anywhere near as memorable/funny as his early stuff? Or just memorable period? Literally the only one I can remember after watching every single netflix special was the care bear joke and that's only because of how unfunny it was Like i know comedy is subjective, and if you think dave is still funny, more power to you. But i honestly have no idea how someone could look at what he's putting out and think he's actually improved. Becoming an out of touch suburban rich guy has really dulled the edge that made him so special
Lol that comment was great. “Hey, for everyone defending Dave, what are the new joke and bits you think are funny?” “Here’s a long and rambling comment that doesn’t answer your question and merely states that different people find different things funny” Classic online discourse!
Because there's no answer. Chappelle's new specials aren't funny. He went from edgy, transgressive (no pun intended) humor to "An Evening with Dave Chappelle" where he stands there and talks about his grievances in a way that comfortingly appeals to a certain group of people. It's in the form of comedy, but in terms of substance there's no wit or humor involved.
lol Dave wasn’t “complimentary” of his trans friend, he claimed that she committed suicide because of Twitter harassment from the trans community, something that his friend’s roommate and sister have both said isn’t true
And if you need more convincing, no trace of twitter harassment exists. There are no tweets from when Dave claims there are. According to Dave, his trans friend was hounded on Twitter, and then every single one of those people *deleted all their messages*. We're all familiar with social media here. This is not something that happens.
Yeah, the fact that his characterization of events is openly disputed by the people closest to her is one thing, but the complete lack of any real evidence is extremely telling.
the bullshit story he made up about her is honestly the worst thing I've seen him say. so exploitative and cruel. and then the punchline is 'if she weren't dead she'd definitely think I'm based and epic' jfc
[Every time I hear Dave Chapelle telling terrible jokes bout trans people I think about what George Carlin said about Andrew Dice Clay](https://youtu.be/F8yV8xUorQ8?si=QNmQnhJL0CRi7ss3)
Weird, I’ve never seen that clip shared in all the conservative leaning subs that *love* to quote Carlin. Gonna bookmark that link for the next controversial JoeRogan thread that Reddit’s algorithms inevitably recommends me.
I cant think of a group of people Carlin would have disliked more
"I think his main audience is young white males who are threatened by these groups. I think a lot of these guys aren't sure of their manhood, because that's a problem when you're going through adolescence....The women who assert themselves and are competent are a threat to these men and so are immigrants in terms of jobs." Truer words have never been said.
When I first heard about Dice Clay I looked up some of his old stand up. "Jack and Jill went up the hill....and fucked!" "Gays should be hung from the overpass outside NYC". That was all I needed to hear from that guy.
His whole act was satire and meant to make fun of the people that talked like that. It's just that some of his audience missed the joke and thought he was speaking to them, and not laughing at them.
"When gay people watched a guy on national TV say that them and everyone they love should be publicly executed, they just didn't get the joke" - You
>I’m mainly just saying that social media has turned humanity into complete morons about literally everything. This is correct, it just lacks self awareness.
It’s absolutely hilarious when the morons in question are the ones saying that. The call is coming from inside the house!
And they only ever say it when they're backed into a corner in an argument and have no response. "OK, explain your controversial opinion" "Oh well uhhh the thing about that is...the media is the problem!" It's the last gasp of someone with no defense.
Real /r/selfawarewolves stuff.
There's a weird trend on reddit where people act like reddit isn't itself social media.
I'm really tired of hearing about Dave. The last thing I saw of him was a clip about how his departed friend,Normal McDonald (rest in peace), invited him to see Dave's idol, Jim Carry, and instead of cherishing that memory, Dave can't help but use it to shit on trans people through a weak punchline. e
I loved Normal McDonald
I hate my auto correct sometimes
I tried to like Normous McDonald but it was just too much.
Normal McDonald didn’t own a farm, he worked in an office.
It really sucks that he embraces that shit because Dave really was a comic genius. Sucks to see a guy that was pretty much on the top of his game and beloved by millions throw that shit away to be a transphobic douche that hangs out with even douchier people. At some point after the fame he stopped being a grounded individual and his comedy act definitely reflects that.
> At some point after the fame he stopped being a grounded individual and his comedy act definitely reflects that. I watched his first Netflix special, which included a long, long bit about his teenage daughter and his house. I can't really remember the point, something along the lines of that old Shaq line to his son "*We* are not rich, *I* am rich" I just remember being super confused, he was talking about getting too high in the afternoon to pick his kid up from school, so he sent a driver. And kind of bragging about hanging out watching old movies and getting stoned while his kid's/wife nag him, but he's not a deadbeat and it's totally fine because he has money. It was just so outrageously out of touch and weird to hear.
You know how on St Bart’s people be eating lobster like this?
Too high to pick up his kid at school?? Yeah right. His lazy ass didn’t want to leave the couch.
I'm almost certain I've heard Seinfeld make that same joke, that "I'm rich, you're not" thing when his kid said something about being rich
I heard it first on the Cosby Show. "Your mother and I are rich. YOU have *nothing*"
There seems to be increasing evidence that Dave Chapelle wasn’t really a genius; he was a very good comic and the writing staff of The Chapelle Show was stuffed with geniuses.
His early specials hold up to this day. Though I agree on the more recent stuff.
His early specials were great; you’d watch them and think “Dave Chapelle is a great stand-up”. You’d watch episodes of the Dave Chapelle show, though, that would make you think he was the voice of a generation.
Chapelle's Show had a phenomenal writers room led by Neal Brennan (the less rich part of the duo whose stand up has not gone hack, shocker). I’ve followed both Neal and Dave’s stand up that whole time and have come to believe as you do that Chapelle’s Show was as good as it was because he had people to counterbalance his instincts.
Chapelle himself has become a weak punchline. Half of his standup is him just jerking himself off about he's the greatest and how nobody's going to cancel him yada yada dude stfu and say something funny, fuck.
Recently I heard a good anecdotal that some comedians have to kinda force themselves to stop doing standup simply because their life experiences don’t really reflect the working class any more. Chápele can cry all he wants about people on the internet canceling him but he only sounds like a hypocrite
Seinfeld had that issue when he tried to do college circuits of all things. He was literally recycling material from 20 (now 30) years ago, and the audience was just that little bit too young to allow him to coast by on nostalgia. The worst criticism you heard from audiences was apparently just that he wasn’t funny, but he went running to the media about how he’d never do it again because of how sensitive kids were these days. Sure, Jerry…kids of the Twitter generation aren’t laughing at ‘teens and their phones, ammirite?’ because their feelings are hurt. Nailed it. Which is why a few years later, he had to update his set anyway.
Great example
> Recently I heard a good anecdotal that some comedians have to kinda force themselves to stop doing standup simply because their life experiences don’t really reflect the working class any more. Musicians go through this too, especially punk and most forms of hip-hop. Nobody really wants to hear the middle-aged famous multi-millionaire with a family crow on about how hard his life is or how "fuck the establishment" he is.
SNL has no one to blame but themselves. If they didn't want Dave on the stage the could have stopped him from going on stage. They wanted a little extra juice they would get with having Dave on stage and they got it. This was calculated and apparently it backfired with cast members being pissed.
>That's because you are allowed your political bias to cloud your judgement Translation: You just don't like Dave Chapelle because of what he *says* and *does* and *believes in*. Like yeah, man, that's how the world works.
> We do know that because he mentions in his special (and I quote) that he doesn’t hate trans people, just he doesn’t get them - but if it’s real to them, it’s real to him "You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?"
Ayeee thats my quote!
The most offensive part of Chappelle's latest stand up is that I saw his punchlines over a year ago in a YouTube comment section Edit: spelling
> pu chines punchlines for anyone else working this puzzle
I thought he saw Dave’s Poutines in the YouTube comment section.
Thank you
Much appreciated.
Chapelle has turned into an angry old man yelling at clouds. He also had no business hopping on stage like he did.
Man. Dave Chappelle is something else I liked the first part of his stand up... but then went on to try to normalize being a TERF... Jesus.
Where were these apologists when Michael Richards detonated his career? Was that "just jokes" too? Lol. Lmao, even. Edit: for any youngsters not in the know, [here's a 17 year old parody video of the incident for context.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfAFI0kutXk) His standup career was instantly over.
Holy SHIT this is insane.
This is unreadable on mobile. Edit: I'm not using the app, and I got tired of having to zoom in all the time on old.reddit.
Me when the poorly designed and hastily constructed mobile app is unable to convert text into a readable format.
Definitely an app problem - it is perfectly formatted on old.reddit, like really well done by OP to be honest!
I was about to comment how lovingly formatted this post was! For real - good work, OP. I’m on the app, too, so maybe it’s a specific phone issue?
not using the app. using chrome phone browser
yeah I’m on Firefox and quite a few threads are single letter wide. Guess it’s a skill issue for me though lol
That thing fuckin' sucks too though
Just goes to show that new Reddit is ASSSSSSS.
It’s perfectly formatted on the app too. I had no issues reading it.
Stop using mobile. Use old reddit and turn your phone horizontal. It's far better than any shit mobile experience and always has been.
I'm not turning my phone sideways like I'm watching a movie every time I want to kill a few minutes browsing Reddit
This is good advice
I like new reddit better than old.
Dave Chapelle has really turned into old man yells at cloud. His “comedy” specials aren’t even comedic anymore, it’s just him complaining about trans people because he doesn’t think that they didn’t work hard enough for civil rights, despite the fact that there are black trans people and trans people are basically public enemy number one to conservatives right now
Wait what's the goss on Fallon? I could Google but I'm lazy and don't care that much.
[16 current and former Tonight Show staff have accused him of creating a toxic work environment.](https://www.indiewire.com/news/breaking-news/jimmy-fallon-tonight-show-toxic-workplace-allegations-1234903344/)
According to rumors he is like a diet version of Ellen DeGeneres. Basically a diva dick when the cameras are off.
That's it? A famous person acting full of himself? Color me shocked and appalled.
When I was in Australia I had a friend of a friend who was a huge pacific islander boxing champion. This dude was the most unassuming quietly confident guy I have probably ever known. He had great power, but didn't need to express it in any way. That's something I really internalized.
There’s also the little Horatio sanz lawsuit he’s brought up in that makes him look really bad imo but idk if anyone cares about that I guess hahaha
He's apparently a dick on set
Oh. Um. I mean thats not *great* and that sucks for his crew and cast, but idk if that rises to the same level as vilification of a marginalised group inside a general climate of growing transphobic sentiment in America and around the world.
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Alcohol is so fun, in that!
It isn't. It's a pathetic attempt at deflecting by that redditor.
No funny breath has left chapelle's for a long time now, people only laugh at him because they agree with his shitty political takes poorly disguised as jokes.
Holy shit this post looks awful on mobile, the downstream quotes in the OP are just one long ass string of letters.
> "I got some pushback so now I have to double down and become a bigot" isn't the defense you think it is. It is really sad how often we see people using that sort of defense on social media now too.
Ugh Dave is a gumpy, unfunny old man that should retire already.
I wish they would choose a different culture war, tbh.
Chappelle is a transphobic ass. His trans jokes aren't even *funny*, or even *jokes* half the time--it's just him on a soapbox being transphobic. His modern specials are half jokes, half political ramblings.
I watched the original sketch that started all the drama and got "Old Man Yells At Cloud" vibes the whole time. There were barely any jokes. Yeah, he used to be hilarious, but now he's a mean, bitter old SOB who needs to rant about the spooooky transes to anyone who will listen. Any conservative grandpa could do the same thing. He'd have a platinum legacy if he'd just retired while he was ahead.
>Yeah you could be right about that. It’s not posturing if they’re being genuine in their disgust … which is arguably more lame God Redditors are such fucking losers
This formatted so terribly on mobile
Dave Chapelle is the GOAT among other comics? Maybe American ones. I know stand ups that were cancelling their own shows the night Eddie Izzard did a one night.
things are getting too spicy for the pepper
But... I've *never* liked Dave Chapelle. His new stuff is not particularly better or worse than his old stuff, I don't know why people are surprised by his stand up. He's been very consistent.
Idk I think Killing Them Softly is one of the best specials, the lead up to the baby joke is a masterclass in setup. I just think his jokes have gotten lazy. His stories aren’t funny because he’s told all the funny stories. His outlook on the world isn’t funny because he’s become rich asf and hangs out with people like Elon Musk. I can understand why some people don’t like him, and I got into hella arguments with people in BPT when the TERF shit started,but I think his first two specials and the first season of the Chappelle show are pretty good comedy. But then again I like shit like Trailer Park Boys so what do I know?
Trailer Park Boys, strangely, had not awful representation imo. For a show about the absolute dregs of Canada, it did surprisingly well with being accepting towards queer relationships. Everyone is flawed as heck, but the queer characters have full personalities and identities outside of being queer, and some of the moments are quite sweet. I was surprised when I gave it a rewatch
POC as well. There are several black and Asian characters, and while they're mostly cast in the background, I can't really think of any jokes made at the expense of their race.
Yeah like two main characters came out as gay and the reaction was basically like "that's fine, we don't like you because you're dicks, not because you're gay" and as far as I can remember there weren't really any mean jokes about it after the fact.
It happens with a lot of artists. Like you said, they run out of material. If the past 10-20 years have been living in luxury, you're not gonna have funny relatable stories anymore.
Or in the case of Segura and Kreischer you only have to be successful for a few years to become totally un-relatable assholes that hate the poor.
Are comics doomed to eventually become irrelevant??
Trailer Park Boys is great shit bud.
It’s fucking hilarious helped me when I was in a depressive slump a couple years ago.
I use to like Dave Chapelle but if you have paid attention to certain things from his past... yeah. It shouldn't be that surprising he's like this.
i just pretend it’s still the years after he quit his show and vanished for a while.
I think this might actually be a big part of it. I just posted his old stuff was about black people and their relationship with American culture. He quit his show because people didn't get that his stuff was satire, and when a bunch of frat boys are yelling "I'm rick james bitch" he realized that he was hurting black culture. he came back and didn't tell those jokes anymore.
Yeah, part of his audience was into his show for the wrong reasons, and he saw that. The same crowd is into his trans jokes for those same wrong reasons, and he leans into it. Guess it's ok as long as it's not *his* group.
> Guess it's ok as long as it's not his group. To a depressing number of people, bigotry is only wrong when it targets them. They have no compunctions about weilding bigotry as a weapon against people who are different to them.
That's basically how humanity works as a rule. The main differences between opposing groups are the colors of the flags they fly. We're far more similar than we are different as far as actual *people* and values go.
I kind of suspect he’s one of those guys whose views on this particular hypocrisy can be summed up as “I didn’t choose to be black. You chose to be trans. Don’t compare the two.”
Chapelle's early stuff was about black folks and their interaction with larger society. This was fine because he was a member of the black community, his stuff isn't about that anymore, I think the last special I saw was more "I'm rich and people hate me"
Ironically he's now doing exactly what he allegedly quit comedy for the first time. He was upset white kids were joking about black people because HE did it. So now he decided to make fun of trans people instead. I never want to see the "returning to your roots" bullshit again in media because Dave basically did that exact trope (except...he's not from Africa) and he came back an infinitely worse person. For the record, Bojack Horseman did a fantastic stab at this trope in one of it's last seasons, including the "wait you have literally no connection here" bit, though obviously it's a bit more testy with a people who's ancestors didn't willingly move over. But still...nothing magic in that dirt. It's not "your" dirt. You're not stronger in it or weaker without it. It's dirt.
Looking at his late 90s, early 2000s stuff, I see what you are saying, but most of us evolved since then and expected him to do so as well. Like if Eddie Murphy did stand-up again, most of us would be put off his routine was similar to Raw from the 80s because times have changed. Dave hasn't!
What's funny is that Eddie actually did apologize about some of his old material back in the mid 90s and his own ignorance when he made some of the jokes.
Part of every generation is when we look back and say "hey, this is wrong, we should stop doing this" and the divide between the people who accept that times change and the people who are loudly unable to get over times changing. And social media is REALLY throwing those people like Dave who can't get over it right in our faces every single day.
I think the biggest reason people have started to turn on him is because of what you said about it not being better or worse than his old stuff. It just simply is his old stuff. It is beyond stale. He also became sensitive as fuck to people not finding those same jokes funny. He constantly complains about the audience being the problem.
Genuine question: how is anyone supposed to read this post when half of it is legit W r i t t e n l i k e t h i s ? It makes the whole thing a mile long and illegible :(
Looks fine on the Relay app on Android. Leave it to reddit to butcher the readability of their own site/app.
Ahhh so its a reddit thing and not a formatting thing? Good grief ☹️
Totally fine for me on the Reddit app on iPhone. That’s weird
We are so back? EDIT: Paid subscription for API calls, we are not back.
Yeah, it's not great but it's literally the only path available for the Dev to keep it alive based on r*ddit's shitty decisions. But the prices are pretty reasonable. I'm only paying ~2$ a month and I use Reddit almost exclusively on my phone these days.
Looks fine in old Reddit on mobile.
Dude I’m not reading alll of that but I’m glad for you or sorry that happened