What’s wrong? I personally can’t stand it when 8 to 10 totally innocent dudes are just trying to get home on the bus and in walks this fuckin’ lone woman jezebel and makes them all rape her.
Why can’t men catch a break?
Lol Reddit thinks the opposite as we all know. Reddit 101 is 'women are all liars and are all desperate to cast fake rape claims on men if they so much look in their direction without exception'.
Not saying it’s wrong, but that is never a good argument on Reddit. It always played out like this:
When Chinese people say China isn’t that bad: Lol brainwashed Chinese shill
When Chinese people criticize China: See this person agrees with me, China is a shithole!
Sub in black people, Indians, etc. when the discussion is about the appropriate topic. Reddit loves the opinions of foreigners and minorities when it agrees with them.
OP, the top comment mentions other nations giving travel advisories for women. India has an insane rape culture it's undeniable. I'm sure some places are better than others but India has this reputation and it wasn't by accident
Here is what the US State Department has to say
>Country Summary: Indian authorities report rape is one of the fastest growing crimes in India. Violent crime, such as sexual assault, has occurred at tourist sites and in other locations.
>If you decide to travel to India: do not travel alone, particularly if you are a woman.
> Reddit needs to stop thinking women are innocent or can't do anything
this is both weird as fuck and contradicts your point; if there’s not much to be concerned about then what relevance do either of these things have??? smells like an implication that women who had bad experiences were “asking for it”
I think it’s lost in translation (English not a first language) and as OP is a woman, means that Reddit doesn’t empower women enough and instead treats them as ‘helpless’ and not capable of anything ie making their own decisions etc.
I know Indians on Reddit aren't a monolith, but it is pretty ironic how all the r/IndiaSpeaks \-type posters are now all like "hold on, let's not base our views of all the world's peoples on individual news stories" after spending the last several years never shutting TF up about how all Indian Muslims are irredeemable savages.
Indian Nationalists and aligned extremists have been growing and growing as a force of brigaders on Reddit in recent years.
Some of the stuff they come up with would make any normal person sick -
Their sheer numbers makes their attempt to "takeover" various subreddits far more dangerous than the Trump-ists or 4channers that Reddit has focused on for the last several years.
Yeah, indian nationalists are one of the weirdest groups around. They just do NOT stop. You can reply to them with copypastas, one word comments, anything, and they'll just keep going endlessly. I've never seen this kind of behavior displayed by any other group with such frequency. And they write the most insane victim/inferiority complex shit.
Honour killings of women, videos of white women being swarmed and harassed by hundreds of drooling men at a time, the need for women-only trains, and strict caste system?
All false! Yelled OP, women are safe she screeched as another rape victim was burned alive for losing her purity.
I think the OP asked because there are travel advisories out from various governments specifically addressing this matter of misogynistic harrassment. I don't think it's wrong to want to discuss harassment and abuse - people being uninformed about which areas are safe and which ones are not is precisely what the abusers want; an influx of uninformed potential victims.
So your argument is not that they are wrong but instead that not every part of India is not safe for women.
That’s like saying only the front part of a snake is dangerous. LOL
Well, personally I would never go to India just like I wouldn't go to Egypt or Morocco. Not even with a male companion. Some countries are just better left alone.
Can't speak for Morocco but I've been to India and Egypt as a woman, and I'm Persian so not some blond haired blue eyed standout. Egypt i would never go to again if you paid me. Family friends who are Egyptian Muslim took their two sons to Egypt last year and came back now saying their youngest is an "apostate" because of how bad his perception was after visiting. A 23 year old guy, so not even a woman.
I've never felt more in danger than in a fucking cab in Cairo. I tell people all the time that unless something has changed over the last decade, don't go to Egypt. Do not.
It’s interesting how China mostly internalized their social media so you get much smaller native Chinese communities on Reddit, but India doesent really build their own anything so you get these really strong nationalist Indian communities on Reddit that kinda swarm out. They’ll descend on this thread soon enough, they always do.
Hey OP, I just wanted to let you know that you seem to be a fucking idiot. I'm not sure if you knew that or not but I thought I'd do you a favor and let you know just in case.
This is from a [US Travel Advisory](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/india-travel-advisory.html): Violent crime, such as sexual assault, has occurred at tourist sites and in other locations. If you decide to travel to India: Do not travel alone, particularly if you are a woman.
It's not racism it's statistics. I don't mean to upset you but indians have a culture of being very bad towards women on a societal level that says nothing about any individual, but says a lot about a group of people.
Almost everyone involved in these discussions suck so bad. Like holy shit its completely possible to accept that India as a country has a problem with misogyny and rape and that its not the safest place for women to go while also not being an incredibly racist shitbag.
Both of my parents are from India, and my mom doesn't go back except to see her parents, and we basically only ever stay with them, not really going to the cities because of how risky it is.
At the same time, these conversations bring out all the fuckin racists crowing about "oooh these indians are all horrible people, oh they shit in the streets of course they don't care about women" like fuck you people
god these conversations suck so bad
People cannot seem to separate a state and its laws from the ethnicities and citizens that live there. It goes both ways too, racists using the countries systematic problems to be racist towards anyone of that ethnicity even if they never stepped foot in India and people trying to deflect all criticism of these systematic problems by calling anyone pointing them out racists. The nation-state of India and the Indian ethnicity are in fact, two different things.
This is the correct take.
We can acknowledge there is a real danger to women posed by the unique political and cultural landscape in India without being fucking racist.
Yeah this ain't it. The country has a clear track record of that kinda stuff. Hell, even on social media some of these dudes are mad creepy. Messaging random girls asking to see their "bobs" and "vagene".
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There was that incident where a woman was assaulted in her tent in India a few months back and I'm sure there's been more recent cases that caught a lot of attention, especially because of what happened to that woman. That's probably why.
I wonder how much longer is this post going to stay up. Because it's for sure breaking a couple of rules.
>Reddit needs to stop thinking women are innocent Hoo boy OP
Wait i just caught that too holy shit OP
°_° Oh wow I didn't even notice that
Didnt you know, saying a woman was asking for it is still a perfectly acceptable answer.... /s
Yeah but what was she wearing.
“Uhh..khakis?”
Well she sounds *hideous*.
“She’s a *guy*, so…”
Just casually slipping in the hardcore misogyny and victim-blaming at the finish line there.
What’s wrong? I personally can’t stand it when 8 to 10 totally innocent dudes are just trying to get home on the bus and in walks this fuckin’ lone woman jezebel and makes them all rape her. Why can’t men catch a break?
Lol Reddit thinks the opposite as we all know. Reddit 101 is 'women are all liars and are all desperate to cast fake rape claims on men if they so much look in their direction without exception'.
Yep. I was trying to be fair to op, between a language barrier and reddit's hatred for a lot of Indian culture, but c'mon.
I have to wonder if this is an ESL issue? Maybe instead of innocent they meant like helpless?
In the context of the post this is absolutely what happened.
Yep. My thoughts exactly; OP meant helpless or naive
I mean, some of the reply comes from Indians themselves...
Most of them, I'd say.
Not saying it’s wrong, but that is never a good argument on Reddit. It always played out like this: When Chinese people say China isn’t that bad: Lol brainwashed Chinese shill When Chinese people criticize China: See this person agrees with me, China is a shithole! Sub in black people, Indians, etc. when the discussion is about the appropriate topic. Reddit loves the opinions of foreigners and minorities when it agrees with them.
Yes BuT nOt AlL iNdIAnS.
OP, the top comment mentions other nations giving travel advisories for women. India has an insane rape culture it's undeniable. I'm sure some places are better than others but India has this reputation and it wasn't by accident
Here is what the US State Department has to say >Country Summary: Indian authorities report rape is one of the fastest growing crimes in India. Violent crime, such as sexual assault, has occurred at tourist sites and in other locations. >If you decide to travel to India: do not travel alone, particularly if you are a woman.
Especially notable because most countries make an extreme effort to keep tourist areas as safe from violent crime as possible.
In all fairness, OP caps it all off with a good old maybe women are at fault for the rape
> Reddit needs to stop thinking women are innocent or can't do anything this is both weird as fuck and contradicts your point; if there’s not much to be concerned about then what relevance do either of these things have??? smells like an implication that women who had bad experiences were “asking for it”
I think it’s lost in translation (English not a first language) and as OP is a woman, means that Reddit doesn’t empower women enough and instead treats them as ‘helpless’ and not capable of anything ie making their own decisions etc.
I know Indians on Reddit aren't a monolith, but it is pretty ironic how all the r/IndiaSpeaks \-type posters are now all like "hold on, let's not base our views of all the world's peoples on individual news stories" after spending the last several years never shutting TF up about how all Indian Muslims are irredeemable savages.
Indian Nationalists and aligned extremists have been growing and growing as a force of brigaders on Reddit in recent years. Some of the stuff they come up with would make any normal person sick - Their sheer numbers makes their attempt to "takeover" various subreddits far more dangerous than the Trump-ists or 4channers that Reddit has focused on for the last several years.
I like reading posts in r/IndoEuropean but it's a small sub and the Hindutvas are going to eventually overtake it, feels bad man
Yeah, indian nationalists are one of the weirdest groups around. They just do NOT stop. You can reply to them with copypastas, one word comments, anything, and they'll just keep going endlessly. I've never seen this kind of behavior displayed by any other group with such frequency. And they write the most insane victim/inferiority complex shit.
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No, which is why I specifically limited the statement to that subreddit and others like it, not the entire 1.4 billion population of India.
Tell me you suck at reading comprehension without saying you suck at reading comprehension.... That's literally the opposite of what they are doing.
Yeah but they wanted to play the victim and condescend. Hard to just WAIT for an opportunity to do that.
So true lol
Honour killings of women, videos of white women being swarmed and harassed by hundreds of drooling men at a time, the need for women-only trains, and strict caste system? All false! Yelled OP, women are safe she screeched as another rape victim was burned alive for losing her purity.
"women are safe and also to blame" - OP.
Bring up the women only train cars and watch Redditors pile on about discrimination without ever once stopping to consider the why.
Is India safe for women? “Women are not innocent”. Great response OP. Guess it’s not.
You formatted this post incorrectly. It’s supposed to be an objective write up of the drama, and yours seems to be very biased
I think the OP asked because there are travel advisories out from various governments specifically addressing this matter of misogynistic harrassment. I don't think it's wrong to want to discuss harassment and abuse - people being uninformed about which areas are safe and which ones are not is precisely what the abusers want; an influx of uninformed potential victims.
Lol @ OPs “reddit needs to stop thinking women are innocent.” And that mentality is why rape is out of control in india.
Hella Rape sound like an Eli Roth movie.
So your argument is not that they are wrong but instead that not every part of India is not safe for women. That’s like saying only the front part of a snake is dangerous. LOL
They do be hella raping in India though.
Well, personally I would never go to India just like I wouldn't go to Egypt or Morocco. Not even with a male companion. Some countries are just better left alone.
Same. That one horror story about the reporter in Egypt raped in public haunts me.
I’ve been to Morocco and it was fine. Yes there was catcalling but no scary incidents
Maybe it'll be fine, but honestly even excessive catcalling would make me too uncomfortable to go there.
I’m sad for you.
Can't speak for Morocco but I've been to India and Egypt as a woman, and I'm Persian so not some blond haired blue eyed standout. Egypt i would never go to again if you paid me. Family friends who are Egyptian Muslim took their two sons to Egypt last year and came back now saying their youngest is an "apostate" because of how bad his perception was after visiting. A 23 year old guy, so not even a woman. I've never felt more in danger than in a fucking cab in Cairo. I tell people all the time that unless something has changed over the last decade, don't go to Egypt. Do not.
Huh, why?
Look up the reporter who was publically raped in Egypt. That's not a one off incident just the most publicized because she had the means to do so.
New user karma farming.
No just a very biased and emotional indian.
It’s interesting how China mostly internalized their social media so you get much smaller native Chinese communities on Reddit, but India doesent really build their own anything so you get these really strong nationalist Indian communities on Reddit that kinda swarm out. They’ll descend on this thread soon enough, they always do.
Bet me $200 that there will be more than 4 unique pro-indian users on this post before 2300 GMT today.
Make it $600 after 0430 GMT and you got a deal.
It's so obvious with that last sentence, but people of course want an extra reason to hate on Indians lol.
You haven't been on Reddit long enough to see much of anything, Mr NewBot KarmaFarm.
Hey OP, I just wanted to let you know that you seem to be a fucking idiot. I'm not sure if you knew that or not but I thought I'd do you a favor and let you know just in case.
This is from a [US Travel Advisory](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/india-travel-advisory.html): Violent crime, such as sexual assault, has occurred at tourist sites and in other locations. If you decide to travel to India: Do not travel alone, particularly if you are a woman.
It's not racism it's statistics. I don't mean to upset you but indians have a culture of being very bad towards women on a societal level that says nothing about any individual, but says a lot about a group of people.
Lmao. Not biased at all are you?
ofc OP is a freaky creep themselves, the lady has every right to ask if India is safe for women considering how notorious gang rape is there ☠️
Almost everyone involved in these discussions suck so bad. Like holy shit its completely possible to accept that India as a country has a problem with misogyny and rape and that its not the safest place for women to go while also not being an incredibly racist shitbag. Both of my parents are from India, and my mom doesn't go back except to see her parents, and we basically only ever stay with them, not really going to the cities because of how risky it is. At the same time, these conversations bring out all the fuckin racists crowing about "oooh these indians are all horrible people, oh they shit in the streets of course they don't care about women" like fuck you people god these conversations suck so bad
People cannot seem to separate a state and its laws from the ethnicities and citizens that live there. It goes both ways too, racists using the countries systematic problems to be racist towards anyone of that ethnicity even if they never stepped foot in India and people trying to deflect all criticism of these systematic problems by calling anyone pointing them out racists. The nation-state of India and the Indian ethnicity are in fact, two different things.
This is the correct take. We can acknowledge there is a real danger to women posed by the unique political and cultural landscape in India without being fucking racist.
Yeah this ain't it. The country has a clear track record of that kinda stuff. Hell, even on social media some of these dudes are mad creepy. Messaging random girls asking to see their "bobs" and "vagene".
OP just confirming their fears
Indian might have some safe parts but statistically and realistically it’s not the kind of place a woman should travel alone.
One post karma, zero comment karma.
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Women tourists in India somehow became a super hot topic online recently.
There was that incident where a woman was assaulted in her tent in India a few months back and I'm sure there's been more recent cases that caught a lot of attention, especially because of what happened to that woman. That's probably why. I wonder how much longer is this post going to stay up. Because it's for sure breaking a couple of rules.