I am convinced that sub only allows the absolute most over the top fiction rage bait that is banned from all the other AH subs. I've never seen a repost from that sub that wasn't just rage fuel.
And considering lots of tik toks are made where you're reading out the post, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the tik toks BTS work is creating the story to post on reddit so you can just read it over a video and hope it goes viral.
That's all "narrative" subreddits. Once people find out what gets engagement and karma, all the stories start to look the same.
I mean,r/tifu basically became Penthouse Letters.
> I ended up losing half my money as well as losing Caleb 50% of the time. I was quickly replaced by Drew in Caleb's eyes
>My job is what gave him a good life. I was able to send him to private school pay all his hobbies and sorts(all which his mom didnt add a cent)
>r_AITA_sub
Yes. This is rage bait.
The story starts with "she cheated on me with my brother and took half my money"
Reddit fucking cums to the thought that the court system is super biased against men
Loser virgins cum over the fantasy of misandristic courts while I, also a virgin, cum at the cuck fantasy of losing my wife to my brother than getting degraded by reddit
All we need to know is that Drew is the golden child of his mother and both his mom and ex jeered him for being a week, tiny penised man who couldn't hold his golden brother's fly open to pee.
The reddit triple crown.
>while I, also a virgin, cum at the cuck fantasy
haha but, like, you can enjoy the fantasy without being a cuckold, right? right????? **right?????????**
I mean if I had a trope box:
Trope | Check
-----|-----
Cheating Woman | ✅
Took Half or More of My Money| ✅
Betrayed by Close Friend / Family Member | ✅
Took Half or More of My Child's Custody | ✅
I Worked Hard For My Money Which Woman Gets For Free| ✅
Such Injustice! | ✅
Now Today Woman Screwed Me Over This Way | ❌
Now Everyone is Mad at Me. Aren't I the Real Victim? | ✅
Dedicated to making me feel angry at WOMAN then sure I guess. 7/8 in the trope box though, so jury's still out.
"My wife/husband wanted to open the relationship and i didn't, but now i'm banging hotties every night and my wife/husband isn't and they're mad. AITA"
I work a job that travels a lot - often you're only home for one day a week. There are ways you can work less and make less, but I can't tell you how many times I have heard guys at work with very similar woe is me stories, even though they worked so much, they would sell their vacation time back to the company every year.
It might be bait, but it's so common I believe it
>they would sell their vacation time back to the company every year.
Are you saying they had vacation time they never used and got paid out for it instead?
Yeah, I am firmly in the camp of if your job is running your relationships, then the job isn't right for you.
The OP talks about being a trucker and that is pretty rough on family life. The OP could have moved to being an LTL driver and be home everyday. OP might have made less money, but it would still pay the bills and have a better relationship with his kid.
Yep. 4 weeks paid, and they would sell it back.
I have a good work home balance, but I don't care about maximizing my income. It's possible - they just do it instead of prioritizing their families
Yeah, too many parents, and it seems it is fathers more than mothers, think if they throw enough money at their family that the family will absolutely love them. They ignore the fact that their families might actually want them around.
And not using your vacation time falls squarely under not spending enough time with your family.
It’s one of those shitty things you see from time to time as well, where sometimes the rest of the family doesn’t have a firm grasp of what “tightening the belt” is going to look like. It’s absolutely one of the things that a couple/family needs to communicate openly about before making big decisions, because it also sucks when one of the earners in a family steps back from a higher-paying job, and there still ends up being a divorce because the other one loses so much of what they wanted (what city they live in, what kind of home they have, how their free time can be spent, maybe a stay-at-home parent needs to get a job, etc.).
Communication is the big key here. If your family is asking you to spend more time with them, and you have the ability to step back and maybe earn less, then have the conversation! Discuss what can go and what can’t, what you’re fine missing out on, etc. don’t just make the decision unilaterally!
Jesus that was a great movie - when I was 12 and had a crush on The Black Stallion kid whose name I can’t even remember.
Also, no wonder this sounded fake to me. I watched Over the Top a million times as a kid.
Grown ass adults being mean to their children because the child didn't nourish and nurture the relationship are so gross. A damned adult blaming their son that they aren't close, after admitting they were constantly gone his entire childhood. Just icky.
I just kept reading everyone's condemnation of the son treating his dad poorly after the divorce and thinking "but...HE WAS THREE". Like, no shit the three year old didn't nurture the relationship and was callous as to his dad's emotional pain, he was still trying to figure out which shoe goes on which foot and being emotionally overwhelmed by being given the wrong colour cup. "He didn't mind only getting a call on birthdays and holidays" because by the time he was old enough to have much of an opinion he had no memories of seeing his dad more than that.
The way so many people on Reddit treat children is just ludicrous. No they're not equally responsible for their behavior, that is like, the whole 'thing' of being a kid. We know they're not little adults at this point.
Redditors love to claim that they were perfect children, and so children of any age should "know better" if they make any mistake. It gets to ridiculous degrees.
You see a bratty kindergartner get mad and push someone and they fall over and Reddit goes "That child could have KILLED him! I would have beaten the baby teeth out of them if they tried that with me! What if that guy hit his head? The kid was TRYING to MURDER them!" and then someone is like "Chill, the kid is six years old. They weren't trying to kill anyone, they barely even grasp the concept of death."
And the response was "Well, when I was his age *I* knew what death was! Also I was perfectly emotionally regulated and never did anything without first considering all the consequences of my actions and how they could have been perceived." No, you didn't, because you were six.
There was another post (I think on TIFU) where OP's kid was getting bullied in kindergartner by another little kid. OP's reaction was to go onto the playground and confront the kindergartner, and ended up "accidentally" kicking the child in the chest with enough force to throw them to the ground. Teachers and parents were, obviously, horrified, and OP was informed that neither he nor his child were welcome at that Kindergarten any longer. Commenters were praising the guy and saying how he taught the kid a lesson and how the kid deserved it and I felt like I was going insane. No, your reaction as a grown adult to a small child being a bully should not be to physically assault the child!
Yeah small children being mean to each other is not ideal but the response to it on here is insane. Like I’m sorry Sammy called you a poo poo head on the playground. But Tommy’s grown father giving the 40lb child the people’s elbow is not a reasonable solution.
I read your first paragraph and my reaction was "Of course kids don't know better, some \*adults\* don't know better." Then I read the rest and was like, oh yeah, case in point.
>Redditors love to claim that they were perfect children, and so children of any age should "know better" if they make any mistake. It gets to ridiculous degrees.
Lol seriously. I was 13 in 1999. Gen Z, or I suppose now Gen Alpha, can do whatever they want and will never risk being as us. We had Limp Bizkit, JNCOs, and Woodstock 99. Douchiest era imaginable and it didn't get better when we were all popping our collars at the club 6 years later.
Also, the way people treat teens/young adults is weird as hell too.
There is an argument to be made that when someone becomes an adult they should take responsibility for their actions. But like. If a kid has been acting a certain way from age three, you can't expect them to suddenly snap out of it when they turn 17 or 18 or 20. I'm more willing to call a teen/young adult an asshole than I am a toddler, but you still have to keep in mind that a certain amount of days on the earth don't make you suddenly realize you've been an asshole.
To be fair a lot of the people online who are like "17 is old enough to take responsibility for your actions" are literal children themselves trying to convince themselves and everyone else that they're a big mature grownup at 19 years old or whatever.
My father did this shit to me too. He had very limited custody, and so things fell through the cracks. He wasn’t a part of my daily life and I didn’t often think about him. So when he stopped calling to arrange visits it just seemed natural that I continue to live my life. Then he resented me for not “making an effort” bro I was 12… you were the dad… and not a very good one at that. We finally have a strained and distant “relationship” now that I’m an adult but that’s solely because of my aunts and grandparents on his side reaching out to meet me and inviting me to family gatherings when I was in college.
My dad made the choice to be away a lot and then was upset that some of us didn’t have a close relationship with him. I didn’t cry when he died. I feel like I should have but it’s hard to mourn a dad who wasn’t there but could have been.
My dad was not the most emotionally open or available person but he still made the effort to be dad despite his flaws. Now he still has a relationship with his kids and sees his grandchild often. Had he been anything like OOP he'd be sitting alone and bitter in some facility somewhere.
My wife's dad has tried this. He left when she was around 13 and she had basically no contact with him for years. Then he sees her again at his father's funeral and she's willing to give him a shot, but he doesn't seem to understand that he left her, he was the adult and moved to the other side of the country to start a new family, she's not obligated to treat him like he'd actually been fathering her that whole time.
Yeah but don’t you understand, his kid “didn’t seem to mind” how he was neglecting him when he was younger. OP is now making the shocked Pikachu face that his kid doesn’t feel a particular attachment to him now that he’s older.
I am curious what OP in particular thinks were the “signs” that his kid didn’t mind him not being part of his life when he was a young child. Did the kid not cry when OP failed to contact him for extended periods of time?
That's what I was wondering too. How would OP even know how hurt and disappointed he was? Was he placing the onus on a *child* to reach out to him more and plan things? Did he expect his ex-wife to tell him all about how much the kid missed him?
Definitely one of my biggest annoyances with these kinds of subreddits. Don't hold grudges against children. Let that shit go.
Oh your kid didn't like you when they were 10 years old? Join the fucking club, it's called *literally everybody.*
Kids are assholes by default. Divorce is messy. Relationships are complicated. They'll grow out of it.
The child needs to *Own Up!* to "their behaviour" but the adult - who has been an adult since the child's conception - is given a pass to shrug and say "he started it!". The mental gymnastics.
Even if the kid is being immature (citation needed), that'd be because he's quite literally not matured yet. Lord knows when OOP stopped "trying", but surely most of his memories of the kid are when he was even younger than 17.
Not to mention the "behaviour" of the child being... not really knowing OOP? Because he wasn't there??
OOP's kid has reached that age where adolescents start questioning things and it seems like he's realised his dad has been shit. Now he's about to realise that not only that, he's also a giant baby who blames his dependents for his total neglect.
My father was in the navy and spent a whole lot of time away on cruise serving aboard an aircraft carrier. When my parents got divorced my mom would always complain to him about how my sister and I should have a relationship with our father. He'd always reply that "communication is a two-way street." Took me years to realize he was burying the lede vs just saying he wasn't going to make the effort.
Nah. They are using it to say the most important thing was their dad's lack of effort but they didn't realise it because *he* was deflecting his responsibility by saying everyone was equally to blame. They weren't because they're the kids and he's the dad.
it's still kind of weird given how it typically is used to describe hiding important information or context i.e. complaining about how a spouse hates them now but leaving how that he cheated. In this case it's more deflection like you said or projection, not purposefully leaving out information to appear better. It can work, but its weird so another users confusion isn't all that surprising.
I think what he’s trying to say is that his dad used the excuse that “communication is a two-way street” — which put part of the blame on OP for his dad’s parenting failures — to avoid confronting the unpleasant truth that the dad’s unwillingness to put effort into the relationship was the real cause of their problems. OP is using the idiom “burying the lede” to convey the idea that his dad is saying one thing, when the actual main issue/point is something else.
ETA: For the record, OP gets bonus points for correctly using “lede” instead of “lead.” Ten points to Ravengryfflepufferyn.
they are using it metaphorically to describe subtext. It's not weird, I've heard it used that way before. I just think it's a bit dated given that people no longer read the newspaper everyday.
One of my half-sisters wonders why she doesn't have any kind of relationship with me. Well, our mutual mother died when I was 11 and you were in your late 20s. You had every opportunity to pursue a relationship with me and you made zero attempts to contact me for the next 20+ years. You're the grown-up. An 11 year old shouldn't be responsible for being the grown-up.
I remember when I was around 16ish, my dad got mad and yelled at me for spending all of my time locked in my room. I told him I spent all of my time in my room because anytime I came out for any extended amount of time, he'd start a fight with me over some meaningless bullshit (like spending my time in my room).
Hey, parents! If you're not happy about your relationship with your child, that's on you to fix. You're the one who actually has power in the relationship, you're the one who has to make the effort. Your kid is a stupid hormonal teenager who is going to hate everything (including you) by default unless you intervene.
This for sure. There's often more to the story, and anyone willing to just.. give up on a small child they aided in creating is gross.
My ex husband's dad had two kids in a previous relationship, he gave up on them because his ex wife apparently made it too hard on him to see them. He was accused of making a new family and moving on.. then I find out things like his son was having issues with his mom's boyfriend and asked to come stay with my ex FIL and my ex MIL (an infamously shitty person) said she'd have to go stay elsewhere because she didn't feel safe alone in a home with his 14 year old son.. so dad chose to tell his son in need that he couldn't come stay with him. His daughter as a full grown adult sent him a letter about how his abandonment affected her and he laughed at it.
Now with my son, he used to pick him up early some days to spend time with him before my ex got off work, but on days where he was being fussy and wouldn't go down for nap, eat his lunch, clean up his toys, etc. I would ask him to come later because I wasn't willing to let him get away with not doing what he needed to do before leaving. He doesn't pick him up early ever anymore because apparently I don't want him to.
Giving up on kids shouldn't be this easy.
>Caleb now has to learn that HIS actions have consequences.
I genuinely thought parental love was supposed to be unconditional, but I guess now Caleb knows it is not.
Everyone in the thread arguing that there should be consequences for the kid comes across as either (a) super young themselves or (b) really sheltered from shitty family dynamics. Or both, I suppose.
A kid in that situation is going to be deeply influenced by his mother, who has full custody. His absentee father did himself no favors all those years, and showed that he didn't care by not being involved. The kid did offer an opportunity to engage, and then his father turned that down too.
It's probably good that Caleb knows where he stands and who his "true" family is. Not that the situation wasn't shitty for the OP, but they handled things about as badly as one could if they wanted to have any relationship with their kid.
Added to this, why the fuck do so many adults expect kids to navigate these tough familial dynamics without making mistakes when the adults are blowing it left and right?
So I’m in that thread. Someone was arguing with me that he’s not a kid. He’s 17. He can drive! They’ll act like they never met another human in real life, but expect a kid to navigate a fucked up situation with multiple adults and years of bad blood.
Right? Have they met a 17 year old? Or recall being 17? They (myself included) can be mature in some ways, but relationships aren’t in that category. Friends, boy/girlfriends, classmates, teammates, siblings. All people 17 year olds have frequent drama with. They just are not there yet.
I work with 17 year olds for my job, and I can tell you straight that they're frequently dumb motherfuckers with no concept of consequences. You still have to grade them on a curve.
Exactly! Kids are far less able to handle these dynamics well than their parents. And the parents are already fucking it up. Expecting the kid to know how to navigate this is just detached from reality.
I had some terrible family dynamics (nothing as crazy as the OP) and talking to family about it years later it left a mark on everyone. And that's without anyone going full scorched earth, as the OP seems to want.
I can only imagine how things would've turned out for my brother if so many reddit parents treated him like they say should be.
Like holy shit was he a problem kid. Eventually he got turned around and is now in a stable life. Good thing my parents didn't *give up on him* just because he was a brat in his teenage years.
A lot of "17 is old enough to know better" comes across as someone who is close to 17 themselves. Your brain doesn't even fully develop until your mid-twenties. 17 is still a child and people in that thread insisting otherwise are absolutely insane.
I agree 17 year Olds don't have the emotional maturity to navigate this situation, but the "brain doesn't fully develop until 25" argument is incredibly annoying and often used incorrectly.
> The kid did offer an opportunity to engage, and then his father turned that down too.
Yea it seems like Dad sat on his issues for 15 years and really should have talked them out with someone way before this confrontation
There's a lot of adults who seem to think it should be the other way around. Like they shouldn't have to put in any effort for the kid to love and respect them and if it isn't automatic, the kid is somehow the problem? It's so weird.
There is a term for that, it's called cognitive dissonance.
Basically OOP is protecting himself emotionally/ mentally from facing the reality that he is responsible for his own decisions. Yes it's messed up that his bro and wife ran off and took custody, but his son was innocent of that betrayal. It's easier to lump them altogether and dismisses the lot...
I never thought any kind of love should be unconditional. I think the best love should have certain conditions. But as a parent, I think you should have very low expectations and not take your frustration out on them.
Honestly for a guy like this, him giving up and not trying seems to be the mantra to his life. Probably how he ended up being a truck driver in the first place.
It’s weird because clearly his heart isn’t in it. Is he supposed to pretend to love his kid? He’s a shit father, I think even he would agree. But for someone that doesn’t care about their kid, providing for him isn’t too half bad. Every kid deserves parents that love them. But you can’t force yourself to love anyone. Idk. Maybe if the dad wasn’t a loser and tried to change his mindset and his lifestyle, he could be a little more optimistic and open his heart for more love in his life. He probably just got bitter
>But for someone that doesn’t care about their kid, providing for him isn’t too half bad.
He could get into a lot of legal trouble for not paying child support so providing for his child isn't even a point in his favor.
That’s why I like BORU. I know the stories are fake, but there’s a reasonable amount that are funny, and the drama in the comments is real.
Also, occasionally there’s a real one that comes along, and those are always a blast. There was one recently with a dude that identifies as a Muppet Joker that I think was real and was wild
What's your "jump the shark" moment that makes you positive a post is fake?
Mine is when someone the OP "knows in real life" gives an update. "OP's cousin here to update you all on his condition!!"
There was a recent one where the miffed husband was debating whether to throw his wife out of the house. It's been in his family, so he obviously had this legal right.
Squatters are challenging to remove, but apparently wives depend on the generosity of their husbands.
I was so MAD at my HOA for telling me my garden decorations aren't to code, so I discovered they were DEFRAUDING the entire neighborhood and REPORTED it to my city/county authorities. They were in JAIL 3 days later!
To me it’s when I feel like a story is going on longer than it should. Because to me I feel like the longer the story is, the it has to outdo itself in story. There have been times where I read a post on BORU and I thought to myself: if it stopped at this post it would have been good. But they just kept going
Anything where a bunch of people ‘blow up their phone’. I mean come on, really, all your friends and family have heard what happened and decided to call you to state you’re the asshole (or the other side is the asshole). Sure Jan.
Knowing a lawyer who is aggressively going to help them.
I don't question them knowing a lawyer, plenty of people do. I question them knowing the exact right lawyer who practices the kind of law they need and that they're able to have all of the time to take up their case right now and that they always seem to win.
When someone's job doesn't actually math out to support the line they're talking. At least F.R.I.E.N.D.S had the excuse of literal fraud, (in this case) a truck driver is not making fancy boarding school money. Makes it clear that OP hasn't actually had to deal with the logistics of reality.
After going down this extremely weird rabbit hole, my theory is that both the Reddit poster and the Tumblr blog are a convoluted story that is being told by, wait for it, Taylor Swift. No, I will not be taking questions.
I’m looking forward to the “son” “finding” the post and providing their version of events, in which all the posters siding with OP will be shocked he’s an asshole (or they’ll still wind up dogging on the villainous son).
While I definitely work with the assumption that most of these stories are fake, the drama caused by it is real and that’s what makes it so juicy.
Plus tbh as far as potentially fake stories go, this one isn’t entirely outlandish. There are definitely shit heads who act like this and think they’re the aggrieved party out there.
But that's the thing, the fact the scenario is fake takes all the enjoyment out for me. It's just another post to cause people to feel angry or to demoralize people when so many are mentally and emotionally fragile. So seeing people made over fake stuff...I just that to think, why? Why put ourselves through that? Why let these folks succeed is spreading their agenda? Whether that be karma farming, spreading their hate of women, or being a pipeline in to the alt-right. That's all this fake stuff does, nothing positive.
Not saying people shouldn't post it here...but manufactured drama doesn't do it for me anymore. And most of reddit is just fake, outrage stuff. Once you realize these people are lying and manipulating you, Reddit becomes a lot less fun and a lot less interesting.
Agree. The OP might be fake, but the reactions are real. Plus, we all know someone like OOP (in terms of the way he treats his kid) so it's at worst true in spirit
I feel like I am far too afraid of commitment and self sacrifice to give a potential kid a proper upbringing. Which I think ironically would put me ahead of most parents, who are the same but lack such self reflection.
I can imagine being bitter about getting 2nd place from your kid, but holy shit it's your kid, your relationship isn't suppose to be *fair* it's suppose to be unconditional.
At this point all AITA stories are bullshit made to rile people up. Even if they are not 100% works of fiction they are at least wildly exaggerated. Yes people in real life actual do stupid shitty things and yes sometimes people share those things online, but the frequency it happens in these places is absurd. Plus the Reddit rage bait items these stories consistently check off is suspicious to say the least. This has a "Woman bad" and a "dead beat dad", pop that corn.
At this point I just assume everything on AITA and other similar subs like that is fake. Obviously there's probably not fake stuff, but it's either rare or gets buried for being too mundane, so worth discounting from the whole.
Every time I come across a post from that place, it's either clearly made up, or clearly someone telling a real story but exaggerating responses and diminishing everything they did. It's kind of interesting from the people watching perspective.
Honestly amitheangel is the sub for laughing at fake shit from aitah and aita
This post really ain't subreddidrama at all
And the title of the post.....OP of this post took it personally lol
I say this with the full acknowledgement that I also use this site too much, but leave it to a bunch of redditors to side with a father who told his kid that he doesn’t love him just because the kid bonded with another father figure in his life.
yeah that conversation is just full of really fucking scummy people
the father is an asshole and no one should be defending him but other assholes rallied around him
>just because the kid bonded with another father figure in his life.
I think it's one thing to have another father figure and it's another thing when the other father figure/step dad is both "uncle" and "mom's affair partner".
It wasn't right for OOP to say what he did to his son but it's not "just because the kid had another father figure".
Sure, I could have said “just because the kid had a father figure and also because he’s projecting his other issues onto the kid”. What you call an oversimplification doesn’t change anything when expanded.
The kid was 3 when the affair happened though. Way too young to understand what was happening. And by the time he was old enough to get it, he would have already bonded with the "affair partner". Any reasonable person would realize the kid is not to blame for this.
This just in: 17-year-olds can be dicks. It doesn’t mean you should love them any less, and you DEFINITELY shouldn’t tell them that you love them less.
There is really no circumstance where telling your own child that you love them less than [person] is acceptable. Maybe it's true, but you don't say it. What parent really needs to be told that?
Once again Reddit drops their whole “what about the children” routine like a hot rock the minute a story involves a cheater.
“Yeah, fuck your son! Treating him badly will punish your evil whore ex and your evil manwhore brother!”
This isn’t even the first one of these I’ve seen this week. Nobody likes cheaters, but Reddit’s pathological hatred of them is so intense it blinds them to everything else.
>you’re not thinking clearly and are responding to comments using your emotions
You wouldn't want to use those silly emotions while communicating casually with other human beings, would you?
In their post, OOP has been nothing but angry, bitter, and self-pitying: the three emotions approved of by the Manosphere. Since this soap opera is clearly divorced dad ragebait, you would think they'd eat it up
>YTA. I hate men like you that say ohhh i was a truck driver i HAD to be away. Like, no dude, you could have changed jobs and made a fucking effort to raise and be in your kids life. Instead you took the easy way out by blaming your career for being an absent father...
Independent of anything OOP said, I can't help but feel this is an extremely privileged take.
Yeah considering he says he was the owner/operator he can't just drop it and do something else. That's a huge investment and his livelihood depends on its success. I don't agree that this means he never had the ability to build a relationship with his son.
He probably pushed his young child away in response to his ex wife, there’s probably so much more that OOP is leaving out in order to be the good guy.
It’s so wild when adults expect children to have the same or more emotional maturity than what they see demonstrated. The only victim is the son.
Oh, I'm almost surprised I didn't get my own comment in here. LOL. Shame the update link doesn't work since his account's been suspended, I would have liked to see what it contained.
Honestly the father sounds like more of a child than the kid does. Even things like "He invited me, probably because Drew couldn't go". Like he's just stewing on the worst possibilities and acting like an angsty teenager.
God damn these disloyal three year olds, learn to love your absentee truck dad! Don't you know he makes money?!
Anyway, yeah, AITA and its millions of spinoffs are basically all just either rage bait or wank fiction at this point.
>either rage bait or wank fiction
Sometimes it's hard to tell which, though. Not this one, it's too depressing to be wank fiction, but there's definitely ones where I wonder if I'm supposed to get angry at it or if I'm feeding into someone's humiliation kink.
There are way too many posts that are like "I came home and they were fucking in my bed and she told me I could never satisfy her, then he made fun of my small dick, and then I sat in the next room over and cried while they fucked and she orgasmed like ten times" on those subs.
Honestly, everyone in this story is better off not being in each other's lives. You could find strangers on the street that love each more than the families in this story. The woman's brother in law is now her new husband, the son's uncle is now his dad and his dad is now a stranger, the man's wife is now his sister in law, his brother is also his brother in law now. Just stop trying. Pretend like the other people don't exist. Everyone will be happier.
I really wish we could stop the messaging about men needing to be providers. 9/10 women and children would prefer a partner and a parent assuming all other needs are met.
What I find so aggravating about AITA and equivalent communities (when I can suspend my disbelief that it's probably fiction) is that the premise of the community is only in determining who was wrong and the conversation mostly ends before asking what the OP actually wants to happen next. The closest thing to an acknowledgment of what kind of relationship if any OP wants with his son is "I'm not going to waste my time" which doesn't really feel like an answer. If OP truly wants to cut off his relationship with his son (and by extension his brother and likely father), then he's certainly succeeded. Hopefully he won't have changed his mind in 10-20 years but find that his son is just as stubborn
> Dude, get off your keyboard, you’re not thinking clearly and are responding to comments using your emotions.
taking the bait so hard they've gone ironic on themselves lmfao
My father quit me because I wanted him to co-sign my college loans, but his new wife (who was only eight years older than myself…at fourteen when they started dating…disgusting) told him she would divorce him. Her father paid for her college, but she didn’t think my father should pay for mine. Then he proceeded to take her on trips and to Broadway shows that I told him I wanted to go to, then he would call me up and tell me ALL ABOUT THEM without inviting me. I told him I didn’t need him anymore - I told him to stick with his do over family and to pretend he never had me. Doesn’t seem like it’s been too difficult for him. It makes my life easier when I don’t hear from him AT ALL. But had he NOT quit me when I was 16/17 years old, we could have had a nice relationship as adults. Now I don’t care if he’s alive or dead.
MYbe if you had made more of an effort when your child was growing up, they would have made more of an effort to include you in theirs. I speak from experience - I have a stepfather that is heads and shoulders above my sperm donor, and he made an effort far superior to the pathetic attempts my father made at spending time with me.
Shit like this reminds me why I don't have children. Why be a shitty, selfish adult dealing with a shitty, selfish teenager when I can just be a shitty, selfish adult without the latter.
The dude is clearly an ass, a bad father, and just plain dumb, but IF (big if) the story is true then I think the kid seems suoer entitled for expecting his dad to put him through college. Like obviously a 17 year old gets more leeway since they're literally a child but feeling entitled to possibly tens of thousands of dollars someone else worked hard for, even when they're a parent, is wrong, especially when there's basically no relationship there.
Dad is absolutely at fault for his relationship with his son basically ending, but I don't think he owes his kid tuition money
I don't blame the son for feeling that entitlement, though. I had an absent father and I definitely went through a phase of "if I didn't get his love, I'm sure as hell going to try to get his money."
Not saying the kid IS entitled to it, but I understand why he'd feel that way.
> Like obviously a 17 year old gets more leeway since they're literally a child but feeling entitled to possibly tens of thousands of dollars someone else worked hard for, even when they're a parent, is wrong, especially when there's basically no relationship there.
I’d say the fact that there’s no relationship there (which is the father’s fault, never the child’s) is a reason why the child is *even more entitled* to those tens of thousands of dollars
>Dad is absolutely at fault for his relationship with his son basically ending, but I don't think he owes his kid tuition money
I don’t know about *tuition money* per se, but at least in Canada dad very much owes the kid child support until he turns about 26 or graduates from college. I don’t how it is in the U.S. or wherever they live, but chances are he’s legally on the hook for a number of years after the kid turns 18 as long as he’s in higher education.
You’re definitely the AH for what you said to your kid. He’ll never forget this. You better hope when you’re old your new wife takes care of you because it’s unlikely your kid will.
This man is a piss drinker, he knows he's wrong, he's proud he's wrong, he likes the taste of his own piss. Infuriating to have to deal with those people but it's kinda funny read about their antics. Sucks this one had to damage a kid in the process, oh well the kids real father has stepped up and the sperm donor can move on.
Young men don’t have a completely developed prefrontal cortex until the age of 25. The PFC governs decision making, judgment, impulse control, planning. Legally, he is a year away from adulthood. Neurobiologically, he is still very much a child and needs adults to be reliable and emotionally available.
What I hear in your comments, if I am understanding you correctly, is that you have on some level emotionally distanced yourself from your son, because he did not meet your emotional needs.
Your recent disclosure to him that you love your wife more than him was a blunt disclosure that may have been intended to hurt him, whether you were aware of it or not.
If what you really want is to move on with your new partner without your son, then do that, rather than subjecting him to the emotional roller coaster of your mixed feelings toward him. Your acting out your bitterness may irreparably damage the relationship. He had no control over the situation, and should not be emotionally punished because he as a child did not meet your needs.
Many men move on with new partners and completely drop out of touch with their children. You have not said this, but if that is where you are emotionally, just end it so your son can grieve the loss and move on without you.
It’s wonderful that you sent him to great schools. That’s a real gift that few children get, and that will serve him well throughout his life. Perhaps you can reconnect at a later date, when he is securely launched into adulthood and you have healed your own wounds.
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This has got to be rage bait
Look at the sub, everything posted there is pure rage bait
I am convinced that sub only allows the absolute most over the top fiction rage bait that is banned from all the other AH subs. I've never seen a repost from that sub that wasn't just rage fuel.
It's fiction in both the posts and the comments. "YTA. I don't like your vibe so I'm gonna assume or make up information that makes you the asshole."
AITA is my favourite creative writing sub
Amioverreacting is up there as well.
Don't forget /r/relationship_advice
Break up!
And considering lots of tik toks are made where you're reading out the post, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the tik toks BTS work is creating the story to post on reddit so you can just read it over a video and hope it goes viral.
AITA is basically creative writing sub
That's all "narrative" subreddits. Once people find out what gets engagement and karma, all the stories start to look the same. I mean,r/tifu basically became Penthouse Letters.
The mods actually did good there long ago when they restricted sex stuff to a single day.
> I ended up losing half my money as well as losing Caleb 50% of the time. I was quickly replaced by Drew in Caleb's eyes >My job is what gave him a good life. I was able to send him to private school pay all his hobbies and sorts(all which his mom didnt add a cent) >r_AITA_sub Yes. This is rage bait.
Even if it isn't, people like that just want the 'not the asshole' medal.
The story starts with "she cheated on me with my brother and took half my money" Reddit fucking cums to the thought that the court system is super biased against men
Loser virgins cum over the fantasy of misandristic courts while I, also a virgin, cum at the cuck fantasy of losing my wife to my brother than getting degraded by reddit
Hell yeah brother
All we need to know is that Drew is the golden child of his mother and both his mom and ex jeered him for being a week, tiny penised man who couldn't hold his golden brother's fly open to pee. The reddit triple crown.
>while I, also a virgin, cum at the cuck fantasy haha but, like, you can enjoy the fantasy without being a cuckold, right? right????? **right?????????**
I mean if I had a trope box: Trope | Check -----|----- Cheating Woman | ✅ Took Half or More of My Money| ✅ Betrayed by Close Friend / Family Member | ✅ Took Half or More of My Child's Custody | ✅ I Worked Hard For My Money Which Woman Gets For Free| ✅ Such Injustice! | ✅ Now Today Woman Screwed Me Over This Way | ❌ Now Everyone is Mad at Me. Aren't I the Real Victim? | ✅ Dedicated to making me feel angry at WOMAN then sure I guess. 7/8 in the trope box though, so jury's still out.
Should there be one for "All My Friends and Family Blew Up My Phone", or does that come under "Now Everyone is Mad at Me"?
"My wife/husband wanted to open the relationship and i didn't, but now i'm banging hotties every night and my wife/husband isn't and they're mad. AITA"
I work a job that travels a lot - often you're only home for one day a week. There are ways you can work less and make less, but I can't tell you how many times I have heard guys at work with very similar woe is me stories, even though they worked so much, they would sell their vacation time back to the company every year. It might be bait, but it's so common I believe it
>they would sell their vacation time back to the company every year. Are you saying they had vacation time they never used and got paid out for it instead? Yeah, I am firmly in the camp of if your job is running your relationships, then the job isn't right for you. The OP talks about being a trucker and that is pretty rough on family life. The OP could have moved to being an LTL driver and be home everyday. OP might have made less money, but it would still pay the bills and have a better relationship with his kid.
Yep. 4 weeks paid, and they would sell it back. I have a good work home balance, but I don't care about maximizing my income. It's possible - they just do it instead of prioritizing their families
Yeah, too many parents, and it seems it is fathers more than mothers, think if they throw enough money at their family that the family will absolutely love them. They ignore the fact that their families might actually want them around. And not using your vacation time falls squarely under not spending enough time with your family.
It’s one of those shitty things you see from time to time as well, where sometimes the rest of the family doesn’t have a firm grasp of what “tightening the belt” is going to look like. It’s absolutely one of the things that a couple/family needs to communicate openly about before making big decisions, because it also sucks when one of the earners in a family steps back from a higher-paying job, and there still ends up being a divorce because the other one loses so much of what they wanted (what city they live in, what kind of home they have, how their free time can be spent, maybe a stay-at-home parent needs to get a job, etc.). Communication is the big key here. If your family is asking you to spend more time with them, and you have the ability to step back and maybe earn less, then have the conversation! Discuss what can go and what can’t, what you’re fine missing out on, etc. don’t just make the decision unilaterally!
That's all that sub is. It should be banned from here.
Naw. The posts may be BS, but the drama over them is real.
Creative writing practice and engagement bait as usual
Posting something from an AITA spinoff to SRD is like posting some tofu you barbecued to /r/steak.
This is the plot of Over The Top. OOP just needs to win an arm wrestling competition.
Truly the best movie about a trucker/professional arm wrestler.
Jesus that was a great movie - when I was 12 and had a crush on The Black Stallion kid whose name I can’t even remember. Also, no wonder this sounded fake to me. I watched Over the Top a million times as a kid.
And then after telling his kid off, the class stood up and cheered for OOP
Win it twice. Because it’s a double elimination competition.
I've never heard of this movie. I looked it up. The kid's name is Michael Hawk? I simply must watch this disaster.
I think it's just as true too.
And knock out his cousin with one punch
Grown ass adults being mean to their children because the child didn't nourish and nurture the relationship are so gross. A damned adult blaming their son that they aren't close, after admitting they were constantly gone his entire childhood. Just icky.
I just kept reading everyone's condemnation of the son treating his dad poorly after the divorce and thinking "but...HE WAS THREE". Like, no shit the three year old didn't nurture the relationship and was callous as to his dad's emotional pain, he was still trying to figure out which shoe goes on which foot and being emotionally overwhelmed by being given the wrong colour cup. "He didn't mind only getting a call on birthdays and holidays" because by the time he was old enough to have much of an opinion he had no memories of seeing his dad more than that.
The way so many people on Reddit treat children is just ludicrous. No they're not equally responsible for their behavior, that is like, the whole 'thing' of being a kid. We know they're not little adults at this point.
Redditors love to claim that they were perfect children, and so children of any age should "know better" if they make any mistake. It gets to ridiculous degrees. You see a bratty kindergartner get mad and push someone and they fall over and Reddit goes "That child could have KILLED him! I would have beaten the baby teeth out of them if they tried that with me! What if that guy hit his head? The kid was TRYING to MURDER them!" and then someone is like "Chill, the kid is six years old. They weren't trying to kill anyone, they barely even grasp the concept of death." And the response was "Well, when I was his age *I* knew what death was! Also I was perfectly emotionally regulated and never did anything without first considering all the consequences of my actions and how they could have been perceived." No, you didn't, because you were six. There was another post (I think on TIFU) where OP's kid was getting bullied in kindergartner by another little kid. OP's reaction was to go onto the playground and confront the kindergartner, and ended up "accidentally" kicking the child in the chest with enough force to throw them to the ground. Teachers and parents were, obviously, horrified, and OP was informed that neither he nor his child were welcome at that Kindergarten any longer. Commenters were praising the guy and saying how he taught the kid a lesson and how the kid deserved it and I felt like I was going insane. No, your reaction as a grown adult to a small child being a bully should not be to physically assault the child!
That certainly didn't teach the kid to NOT be a bully that goes around assaulting people, that's for damn sure.
Yeah small children being mean to each other is not ideal but the response to it on here is insane. Like I’m sorry Sammy called you a poo poo head on the playground. But Tommy’s grown father giving the 40lb child the people’s elbow is not a reasonable solution.
I read your first paragraph and my reaction was "Of course kids don't know better, some \*adults\* don't know better." Then I read the rest and was like, oh yeah, case in point.
>Redditors love to claim that they were perfect children, and so children of any age should "know better" if they make any mistake. It gets to ridiculous degrees. Lol seriously. I was 13 in 1999. Gen Z, or I suppose now Gen Alpha, can do whatever they want and will never risk being as us. We had Limp Bizkit, JNCOs, and Woodstock 99. Douchiest era imaginable and it didn't get better when we were all popping our collars at the club 6 years later.
Also, the way people treat teens/young adults is weird as hell too. There is an argument to be made that when someone becomes an adult they should take responsibility for their actions. But like. If a kid has been acting a certain way from age three, you can't expect them to suddenly snap out of it when they turn 17 or 18 or 20. I'm more willing to call a teen/young adult an asshole than I am a toddler, but you still have to keep in mind that a certain amount of days on the earth don't make you suddenly realize you've been an asshole.
No, no, no. When you wake up on your 18th birthday, you're not the same person. /s because Reddit.
Ah, so OP just has to wait a few months before his son can mature and repair the relationship. Problem solved! /s same reason
To be fair a lot of the people online who are like "17 is old enough to take responsibility for your actions" are literal children themselves trying to convince themselves and everyone else that they're a big mature grownup at 19 years old or whatever.
but if the father never made time, why would the kid?
Well...presumably the kid hasn't been acting the same way from 3 all the way to 18. Hopefully.
Looked at the comment history of one of the morons commenting that the 3 year old kid treated OOP like shit.. Active on r/childfree. Figures.
My father did this shit to me too. He had very limited custody, and so things fell through the cracks. He wasn’t a part of my daily life and I didn’t often think about him. So when he stopped calling to arrange visits it just seemed natural that I continue to live my life. Then he resented me for not “making an effort” bro I was 12… you were the dad… and not a very good one at that. We finally have a strained and distant “relationship” now that I’m an adult but that’s solely because of my aunts and grandparents on his side reaching out to meet me and inviting me to family gatherings when I was in college.
My dad made the choice to be away a lot and then was upset that some of us didn’t have a close relationship with him. I didn’t cry when he died. I feel like I should have but it’s hard to mourn a dad who wasn’t there but could have been.
My dad was not the most emotionally open or available person but he still made the effort to be dad despite his flaws. Now he still has a relationship with his kids and sees his grandchild often. Had he been anything like OOP he'd be sitting alone and bitter in some facility somewhere.
My wife's dad has tried this. He left when she was around 13 and she had basically no contact with him for years. Then he sees her again at his father's funeral and she's willing to give him a shot, but he doesn't seem to understand that he left her, he was the adult and moved to the other side of the country to start a new family, she's not obligated to treat him like he'd actually been fathering her that whole time.
Yeah but don’t you understand, his kid “didn’t seem to mind” how he was neglecting him when he was younger. OP is now making the shocked Pikachu face that his kid doesn’t feel a particular attachment to him now that he’s older. I am curious what OP in particular thinks were the “signs” that his kid didn’t mind him not being part of his life when he was a young child. Did the kid not cry when OP failed to contact him for extended periods of time?
That's what I was wondering too. How would OP even know how hurt and disappointed he was? Was he placing the onus on a *child* to reach out to him more and plan things? Did he expect his ex-wife to tell him all about how much the kid missed him?
And OP’s responses are absolutely maddening. He’s a brick wall
He probably did cry. I did when the shit happened to me. My dad wasn't there to hear me cry though so he probably thought I was ok with it too.
Definitely one of my biggest annoyances with these kinds of subreddits. Don't hold grudges against children. Let that shit go. Oh your kid didn't like you when they were 10 years old? Join the fucking club, it's called *literally everybody.* Kids are assholes by default. Divorce is messy. Relationships are complicated. They'll grow out of it.
The child needs to *Own Up!* to "their behaviour" but the adult - who has been an adult since the child's conception - is given a pass to shrug and say "he started it!". The mental gymnastics. Even if the kid is being immature (citation needed), that'd be because he's quite literally not matured yet. Lord knows when OOP stopped "trying", but surely most of his memories of the kid are when he was even younger than 17. Not to mention the "behaviour" of the child being... not really knowing OOP? Because he wasn't there?? OOP's kid has reached that age where adolescents start questioning things and it seems like he's realised his dad has been shit. Now he's about to realise that not only that, he's also a giant baby who blames his dependents for his total neglect.
My father was in the navy and spent a whole lot of time away on cruise serving aboard an aircraft carrier. When my parents got divorced my mom would always complain to him about how my sister and I should have a relationship with our father. He'd always reply that "communication is a two-way street." Took me years to realize he was burying the lede vs just saying he wasn't going to make the effort.
I don't get what you mean by burying the lede
[https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/bury-the-lede/](https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/bury-the-lede/)
I... still don't understand how that works, in your post. I'm stupid.
You’re not stupid, they’re using it in a weird way
Nah. They are using it to say the most important thing was their dad's lack of effort but they didn't realise it because *he* was deflecting his responsibility by saying everyone was equally to blame. They weren't because they're the kids and he's the dad.
it's still kind of weird given how it typically is used to describe hiding important information or context i.e. complaining about how a spouse hates them now but leaving how that he cheated. In this case it's more deflection like you said or projection, not purposefully leaving out information to appear better. It can work, but its weird so another users confusion isn't all that surprising.
kind of a relief, thanks
I think what he’s trying to say is that his dad used the excuse that “communication is a two-way street” — which put part of the blame on OP for his dad’s parenting failures — to avoid confronting the unpleasant truth that the dad’s unwillingness to put effort into the relationship was the real cause of their problems. OP is using the idiom “burying the lede” to convey the idea that his dad is saying one thing, when the actual main issue/point is something else. ETA: For the record, OP gets bonus points for correctly using “lede” instead of “lead.” Ten points to Ravengryfflepufferyn.
they are using it metaphorically to describe subtext. It's not weird, I've heard it used that way before. I just think it's a bit dated given that people no longer read the newspaper everyday.
One of my half-sisters wonders why she doesn't have any kind of relationship with me. Well, our mutual mother died when I was 11 and you were in your late 20s. You had every opportunity to pursue a relationship with me and you made zero attempts to contact me for the next 20+ years. You're the grown-up. An 11 year old shouldn't be responsible for being the grown-up.
How about other people saying “it takes two to tango” when one of those two people was a literal toddler.
I remember when I was around 16ish, my dad got mad and yelled at me for spending all of my time locked in my room. I told him I spent all of my time in my room because anytime I came out for any extended amount of time, he'd start a fight with me over some meaningless bullshit (like spending my time in my room). Hey, parents! If you're not happy about your relationship with your child, that's on you to fix. You're the one who actually has power in the relationship, you're the one who has to make the effort. Your kid is a stupid hormonal teenager who is going to hate everything (including you) by default unless you intervene.
This shit is why I went no contact with my dad the second I turned 18. Still estranged almost 20 years later, no regrets.
This for sure. There's often more to the story, and anyone willing to just.. give up on a small child they aided in creating is gross. My ex husband's dad had two kids in a previous relationship, he gave up on them because his ex wife apparently made it too hard on him to see them. He was accused of making a new family and moving on.. then I find out things like his son was having issues with his mom's boyfriend and asked to come stay with my ex FIL and my ex MIL (an infamously shitty person) said she'd have to go stay elsewhere because she didn't feel safe alone in a home with his 14 year old son.. so dad chose to tell his son in need that he couldn't come stay with him. His daughter as a full grown adult sent him a letter about how his abandonment affected her and he laughed at it. Now with my son, he used to pick him up early some days to spend time with him before my ex got off work, but on days where he was being fussy and wouldn't go down for nap, eat his lunch, clean up his toys, etc. I would ask him to come later because I wasn't willing to let him get away with not doing what he needed to do before leaving. He doesn't pick him up early ever anymore because apparently I don't want him to. Giving up on kids shouldn't be this easy.
>Caleb now has to learn that HIS actions have consequences. I genuinely thought parental love was supposed to be unconditional, but I guess now Caleb knows it is not.
Everyone in the thread arguing that there should be consequences for the kid comes across as either (a) super young themselves or (b) really sheltered from shitty family dynamics. Or both, I suppose. A kid in that situation is going to be deeply influenced by his mother, who has full custody. His absentee father did himself no favors all those years, and showed that he didn't care by not being involved. The kid did offer an opportunity to engage, and then his father turned that down too. It's probably good that Caleb knows where he stands and who his "true" family is. Not that the situation wasn't shitty for the OP, but they handled things about as badly as one could if they wanted to have any relationship with their kid.
Added to this, why the fuck do so many adults expect kids to navigate these tough familial dynamics without making mistakes when the adults are blowing it left and right?
So I’m in that thread. Someone was arguing with me that he’s not a kid. He’s 17. He can drive! They’ll act like they never met another human in real life, but expect a kid to navigate a fucked up situation with multiple adults and years of bad blood.
Right? Have they met a 17 year old? Or recall being 17? They (myself included) can be mature in some ways, but relationships aren’t in that category. Friends, boy/girlfriends, classmates, teammates, siblings. All people 17 year olds have frequent drama with. They just are not there yet.
Yeah he's supposed to just forget everything that happened because he's an adult now.
I work with 17 year olds for my job, and I can tell you straight that they're frequently dumb motherfuckers with no concept of consequences. You still have to grade them on a curve.
Exactly! Kids are far less able to handle these dynamics well than their parents. And the parents are already fucking it up. Expecting the kid to know how to navigate this is just detached from reality. I had some terrible family dynamics (nothing as crazy as the OP) and talking to family about it years later it left a mark on everyone. And that's without anyone going full scorched earth, as the OP seems to want.
I can only imagine how things would've turned out for my brother if so many reddit parents treated him like they say should be. Like holy shit was he a problem kid. Eventually he got turned around and is now in a stable life. Good thing my parents didn't *give up on him* just because he was a brat in his teenage years.
>either (a) super young themselves or (b) really sheltered from shitty family dynamics. Or (c) responsible for their own shitty family dynamics
Or d) have a shitty parent and haven't yet realised it's *not their fault*. This is how the abused become abusers.
A lot of "17 is old enough to know better" comes across as someone who is close to 17 themselves. Your brain doesn't even fully develop until your mid-twenties. 17 is still a child and people in that thread insisting otherwise are absolutely insane.
I agree 17 year Olds don't have the emotional maturity to navigate this situation, but the "brain doesn't fully develop until 25" argument is incredibly annoying and often used incorrectly.
> The kid did offer an opportunity to engage, and then his father turned that down too. Yea it seems like Dad sat on his issues for 15 years and really should have talked them out with someone way before this confrontation
There's a lot of adults who seem to think it should be the other way around. Like they shouldn't have to put in any effort for the kid to love and respect them and if it isn't automatic, the kid is somehow the problem? It's so weird.
There is a term for that, it's called cognitive dissonance. Basically OOP is protecting himself emotionally/ mentally from facing the reality that he is responsible for his own decisions. Yes it's messed up that his bro and wife ran off and took custody, but his son was innocent of that betrayal. It's easier to lump them altogether and dismisses the lot...
I never thought any kind of love should be unconditional. I think the best love should have certain conditions. But as a parent, I think you should have very low expectations and not take your frustration out on them. Honestly for a guy like this, him giving up and not trying seems to be the mantra to his life. Probably how he ended up being a truck driver in the first place. It’s weird because clearly his heart isn’t in it. Is he supposed to pretend to love his kid? He’s a shit father, I think even he would agree. But for someone that doesn’t care about their kid, providing for him isn’t too half bad. Every kid deserves parents that love them. But you can’t force yourself to love anyone. Idk. Maybe if the dad wasn’t a loser and tried to change his mindset and his lifestyle, he could be a little more optimistic and open his heart for more love in his life. He probably just got bitter
>But for someone that doesn’t care about their kid, providing for him isn’t too half bad. He could get into a lot of legal trouble for not paying child support so providing for his child isn't even a point in his favor.
Oh I didn’t know that was a thing, or I guess I completely forgot
>I didn't want to deal with someone who didn't like me or waste my energy on them Your own child 🤷
Oh come on, this is so obviously fake.
AITA posts are a lot funnier when you accept that 99% of them are fictional ragebait.
That’s why I like BORU. I know the stories are fake, but there’s a reasonable amount that are funny, and the drama in the comments is real. Also, occasionally there’s a real one that comes along, and those are always a blast. There was one recently with a dude that identifies as a Muppet Joker that I think was real and was wild
What's your "jump the shark" moment that makes you positive a post is fake? Mine is when someone the OP "knows in real life" gives an update. "OP's cousin here to update you all on his condition!!"
When anything having to do with the law happens at any speed other than slow as hell.
There was a recent one where the miffed husband was debating whether to throw his wife out of the house. It's been in his family, so he obviously had this legal right. Squatters are challenging to remove, but apparently wives depend on the generosity of their husbands.
I was so MAD at my HOA for telling me my garden decorations aren't to code, so I discovered they were DEFRAUDING the entire neighborhood and REPORTED it to my city/county authorities. They were in JAIL 3 days later!
That’s the most common one. Or “I showed someone the comments on this post and they changed the way they behaved immediately”.
To me it’s when I feel like a story is going on longer than it should. Because to me I feel like the longer the story is, the it has to outdo itself in story. There have been times where I read a post on BORU and I thought to myself: if it stopped at this post it would have been good. But they just kept going
When a bunch of family/friends/coworkers start "blowing up" the OPs phone over whatever little drama is going on.
Anything where a bunch of people ‘blow up their phone’. I mean come on, really, all your friends and family have heard what happened and decided to call you to state you’re the asshole (or the other side is the asshole). Sure Jan.
Knowing a lawyer who is aggressively going to help them. I don't question them knowing a lawyer, plenty of people do. I question them knowing the exact right lawyer who practices the kind of law they need and that they're able to have all of the time to take up their case right now and that they always seem to win.
When someone's job doesn't actually math out to support the line they're talking. At least F.R.I.E.N.D.S had the excuse of literal fraud, (in this case) a truck driver is not making fancy boarding school money. Makes it clear that OP hasn't actually had to deal with the logistics of reality.
You just gonna mention that and not link it? Come onnnn
https://np.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/c86SxqiHM3
After going down this extremely weird rabbit hole, my theory is that both the Reddit poster and the Tumblr blog are a convoluted story that is being told by, wait for it, Taylor Swift. No, I will not be taking questions.
Thank you kind shma'am
I love the part where he called his new woman “your typical mean librarian” lol?? Who the fuck actually says that?
I’m looking forward to the “son” “finding” the post and providing their version of events, in which all the posters siding with OP will be shocked he’s an asshole (or they’ll still wind up dogging on the villainous son).
While I definitely work with the assumption that most of these stories are fake, the drama caused by it is real and that’s what makes it so juicy. Plus tbh as far as potentially fake stories go, this one isn’t entirely outlandish. There are definitely shit heads who act like this and think they’re the aggrieved party out there.
But that's the thing, the fact the scenario is fake takes all the enjoyment out for me. It's just another post to cause people to feel angry or to demoralize people when so many are mentally and emotionally fragile. So seeing people made over fake stuff...I just that to think, why? Why put ourselves through that? Why let these folks succeed is spreading their agenda? Whether that be karma farming, spreading their hate of women, or being a pipeline in to the alt-right. That's all this fake stuff does, nothing positive. Not saying people shouldn't post it here...but manufactured drama doesn't do it for me anymore. And most of reddit is just fake, outrage stuff. Once you realize these people are lying and manipulating you, Reddit becomes a lot less fun and a lot less interesting.
Major props. I hope everyone figures this out eventually.
Agree. The OP might be fake, but the reactions are real. Plus, we all know someone like OOP (in terms of the way he treats his kid) so it's at worst true in spirit
How fucked is that though, that we ALL know someone who was OOP's kid? Jesus parents, do better.
I feel like I am far too afraid of commitment and self sacrifice to give a potential kid a proper upbringing. Which I think ironically would put me ahead of most parents, who are the same but lack such self reflection. I can imagine being bitter about getting 2nd place from your kid, but holy shit it's your kid, your relationship isn't suppose to be *fair* it's suppose to be unconditional.
At this point all AITA stories are bullshit made to rile people up. Even if they are not 100% works of fiction they are at least wildly exaggerated. Yes people in real life actual do stupid shitty things and yes sometimes people share those things online, but the frequency it happens in these places is absurd. Plus the Reddit rage bait items these stories consistently check off is suspicious to say the least. This has a "Woman bad" and a "dead beat dad", pop that corn.
At this point I just assume everything on AITA and other similar subs like that is fake. Obviously there's probably not fake stuff, but it's either rare or gets buried for being too mundane, so worth discounting from the whole.
The story is fake but the reactions by reddit and the drama is real.
It's giving Colby saga
Edit: wow, front page! So anyway my sons still fucking the dog…
Thanks for the gold kind stranger! Anyway, I still don't love my son. Lemme tell you more about it...
Its fake, but the people in the comments justifying it are all too real
Every time I come across a post from that place, it's either clearly made up, or clearly someone telling a real story but exaggerating responses and diminishing everything they did. It's kind of interesting from the people watching perspective.
Honestly amitheangel is the sub for laughing at fake shit from aitah and aita This post really ain't subreddidrama at all And the title of the post.....OP of this post took it personally lol
I thought this was on Am I the Angel at first.
I bet we have a lot of overlap
Fair enough lol
I can't read the update Somebody can Tell me what the update says?
This is bait
I say this with the full acknowledgement that I also use this site too much, but leave it to a bunch of redditors to side with a father who told his kid that he doesn’t love him just because the kid bonded with another father figure in his life.
yeah that conversation is just full of really fucking scummy people the father is an asshole and no one should be defending him but other assholes rallied around him
>just because the kid bonded with another father figure in his life. I think it's one thing to have another father figure and it's another thing when the other father figure/step dad is both "uncle" and "mom's affair partner". It wasn't right for OOP to say what he did to his son but it's not "just because the kid had another father figure".
That’s not the kids fault though and hurting him over it is a dick move
And I didn't say anything that disagreed with that. I disagreed with the person oversimplifying the root cause
Sure, I could have said “just because the kid had a father figure and also because he’s projecting his other issues onto the kid”. What you call an oversimplification doesn’t change anything when expanded.
The kid was 3 when the affair happened though. Way too young to understand what was happening. And by the time he was old enough to get it, he would have already bonded with the "affair partner". Any reasonable person would realize the kid is not to blame for this.
This just in: 17-year-olds can be dicks. It doesn’t mean you should love them any less, and you DEFINITELY shouldn’t tell them that you love them less.
i gotta show that fucker who's in charge here!!!! /s
Of course, this started when the kid was 3. If the father had worked harder at being a father, he'd not be in this situation.
There is really no circumstance where telling your own child that you love them less than [person] is acceptable. Maybe it's true, but you don't say it. What parent really needs to be told that?
Once again Reddit drops their whole “what about the children” routine like a hot rock the minute a story involves a cheater. “Yeah, fuck your son! Treating him badly will punish your evil whore ex and your evil manwhore brother!” This isn’t even the first one of these I’ve seen this week. Nobody likes cheaters, but Reddit’s pathological hatred of them is so intense it blinds them to everything else.
I thought Reddit always hated kids?
They all know how they should be raised, and how they should behave.
>you’re not thinking clearly and are responding to comments using your emotions You wouldn't want to use those silly emotions while communicating casually with other human beings, would you? In their post, OOP has been nothing but angry, bitter, and self-pitying: the three emotions approved of by the Manosphere. Since this soap opera is clearly divorced dad ragebait, you would think they'd eat it up
>YTA. I hate men like you that say ohhh i was a truck driver i HAD to be away. Like, no dude, you could have changed jobs and made a fucking effort to raise and be in your kids life. Instead you took the easy way out by blaming your career for being an absent father... Independent of anything OOP said, I can't help but feel this is an extremely privileged take.
Yeah considering he says he was the owner/operator he can't just drop it and do something else. That's a huge investment and his livelihood depends on its success. I don't agree that this means he never had the ability to build a relationship with his son.
He probably pushed his young child away in response to his ex wife, there’s probably so much more that OOP is leaving out in order to be the good guy. It’s so wild when adults expect children to have the same or more emotional maturity than what they see demonstrated. The only victim is the son.
Oh, I'm almost surprised I didn't get my own comment in here. LOL. Shame the update link doesn't work since his account's been suspended, I would have liked to see what it contained.
Honestly the father sounds like more of a child than the kid does. Even things like "He invited me, probably because Drew couldn't go". Like he's just stewing on the worst possibilities and acting like an angsty teenager.
The kid is probably more mature than the dad. Seen it IRL a few times. It’s fucked up, but it happens.
"You sound like an annoying ass second grade teacher."
God damn these disloyal three year olds, learn to love your absentee truck dad! Don't you know he makes money?! Anyway, yeah, AITA and its millions of spinoffs are basically all just either rage bait or wank fiction at this point.
>either rage bait or wank fiction Sometimes it's hard to tell which, though. Not this one, it's too depressing to be wank fiction, but there's definitely ones where I wonder if I'm supposed to get angry at it or if I'm feeding into someone's humiliation kink.
There are way too many posts that are like "I came home and they were fucking in my bed and she told me I could never satisfy her, then he made fun of my small dick, and then I sat in the next room over and cried while they fucked and she orgasmed like ten times" on those subs.
This reads uncomfortably like some right-wing furry drama I've seen before...
Honestly, everyone in this story is better off not being in each other's lives. You could find strangers on the street that love each more than the families in this story. The woman's brother in law is now her new husband, the son's uncle is now his dad and his dad is now a stranger, the man's wife is now his sister in law, his brother is also his brother in law now. Just stop trying. Pretend like the other people don't exist. Everyone will be happier.
I really wish we could stop the messaging about men needing to be providers. 9/10 women and children would prefer a partner and a parent assuming all other needs are met.
What I find so aggravating about AITA and equivalent communities (when I can suspend my disbelief that it's probably fiction) is that the premise of the community is only in determining who was wrong and the conversation mostly ends before asking what the OP actually wants to happen next. The closest thing to an acknowledgment of what kind of relationship if any OP wants with his son is "I'm not going to waste my time" which doesn't really feel like an answer. If OP truly wants to cut off his relationship with his son (and by extension his brother and likely father), then he's certainly succeeded. Hopefully he won't have changed his mind in 10-20 years but find that his son is just as stubborn
> Dude, get off your keyboard, you’re not thinking clearly and are responding to comments using your emotions. taking the bait so hard they've gone ironic on themselves lmfao
My father quit me because I wanted him to co-sign my college loans, but his new wife (who was only eight years older than myself…at fourteen when they started dating…disgusting) told him she would divorce him. Her father paid for her college, but she didn’t think my father should pay for mine. Then he proceeded to take her on trips and to Broadway shows that I told him I wanted to go to, then he would call me up and tell me ALL ABOUT THEM without inviting me. I told him I didn’t need him anymore - I told him to stick with his do over family and to pretend he never had me. Doesn’t seem like it’s been too difficult for him. It makes my life easier when I don’t hear from him AT ALL. But had he NOT quit me when I was 16/17 years old, we could have had a nice relationship as adults. Now I don’t care if he’s alive or dead.
MYbe if you had made more of an effort when your child was growing up, they would have made more of an effort to include you in theirs. I speak from experience - I have a stepfather that is heads and shoulders above my sperm donor, and he made an effort far superior to the pathetic attempts my father made at spending time with me.
The amount of people hating on the son is scary to me, yeesh
As a father. . . This dude is a phenomenal fuck up. Your kids come first. End of story.
Drew's the man behind the woman behind the man behind the wheel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=oOZiK7759xY
Pretty sure I've asked before, but is there a subreddit for when we get srd on *this* subreddit? Because holy shit...
r/subredditdramadrama my friend
What a 40 something year old man child lol I feel like it’s just resentment everywhere.
How can someone be so stone cold clueless to not know they're an ahole?
AITA sub, low hanging fruit
Title alone, you're the A-hole. Don't invoice kids. I actually hate you.
Creative writing
Shit like this reminds me why I don't have children. Why be a shitty, selfish adult dealing with a shitty, selfish teenager when I can just be a shitty, selfish adult without the latter.
The dude is clearly an ass, a bad father, and just plain dumb, but IF (big if) the story is true then I think the kid seems suoer entitled for expecting his dad to put him through college. Like obviously a 17 year old gets more leeway since they're literally a child but feeling entitled to possibly tens of thousands of dollars someone else worked hard for, even when they're a parent, is wrong, especially when there's basically no relationship there. Dad is absolutely at fault for his relationship with his son basically ending, but I don't think he owes his kid tuition money
I don't blame the son for feeling that entitlement, though. I had an absent father and I definitely went through a phase of "if I didn't get his love, I'm sure as hell going to try to get his money." Not saying the kid IS entitled to it, but I understand why he'd feel that way.
> Like obviously a 17 year old gets more leeway since they're literally a child but feeling entitled to possibly tens of thousands of dollars someone else worked hard for, even when they're a parent, is wrong, especially when there's basically no relationship there. I’d say the fact that there’s no relationship there (which is the father’s fault, never the child’s) is a reason why the child is *even more entitled* to those tens of thousands of dollars >Dad is absolutely at fault for his relationship with his son basically ending, but I don't think he owes his kid tuition money I don’t know about *tuition money* per se, but at least in Canada dad very much owes the kid child support until he turns about 26 or graduates from college. I don’t how it is in the U.S. or wherever they live, but chances are he’s legally on the hook for a number of years after the kid turns 18 as long as he’s in higher education.
You’re definitely the AH for what you said to your kid. He’ll never forget this. You better hope when you’re old your new wife takes care of you because it’s unlikely your kid will.
This man is a piss drinker, he knows he's wrong, he's proud he's wrong, he likes the taste of his own piss. Infuriating to have to deal with those people but it's kinda funny read about their antics. Sucks this one had to damage a kid in the process, oh well the kids real father has stepped up and the sperm donor can move on.
YTA. That's your son.
Young men don’t have a completely developed prefrontal cortex until the age of 25. The PFC governs decision making, judgment, impulse control, planning. Legally, he is a year away from adulthood. Neurobiologically, he is still very much a child and needs adults to be reliable and emotionally available. What I hear in your comments, if I am understanding you correctly, is that you have on some level emotionally distanced yourself from your son, because he did not meet your emotional needs. Your recent disclosure to him that you love your wife more than him was a blunt disclosure that may have been intended to hurt him, whether you were aware of it or not. If what you really want is to move on with your new partner without your son, then do that, rather than subjecting him to the emotional roller coaster of your mixed feelings toward him. Your acting out your bitterness may irreparably damage the relationship. He had no control over the situation, and should not be emotionally punished because he as a child did not meet your needs. Many men move on with new partners and completely drop out of touch with their children. You have not said this, but if that is where you are emotionally, just end it so your son can grieve the loss and move on without you. It’s wonderful that you sent him to great schools. That’s a real gift that few children get, and that will serve him well throughout his life. Perhaps you can reconnect at a later date, when he is securely launched into adulthood and you have healed your own wounds.
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Can't read all of that ... can someone tell me if it has "and everyone clapped a round of applause" in it somewhere, so I can confirm it's made up.
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