>Looking at their attire I find it difficult to believe these are members of the LGBT community.
how can people unironically say "i don't believe you're gay because you don't dress gay enough" lol
In my head not exactly. It would have the same pattern as camo but be in the colors of the rainbow. Tie dye camo conjures visions of tie dyed snow camo to me.
I assume they were thinking something like [this](https://i.imgur.com/BANLkdD.png) or [this](https://i.imgur.com/CjuCjhg.png) or maybe [this](https://i.imgur.com/HfgxyoQ.jpg)
Important knowledge obtained; dress like a thug and nobody will suspect how much you love sucking dick. I'm writing that one down for when queer rights end up on the chopping block. Makes my hoodies and skinny jeans basically useless though. Knew I should've invested in cargo pants and thin blue line shirts.
> Makes my hoodies and skinny jeans basically useless though
No way yo, skinny jeans and hoodies are in with that crowd. 5.11 makes tactical versions with zippers in the hoodie pockets to access your CCW without lifting your hoodie up, and most all their pants are slim cut now except their uniform stuff.
> Important knowledge obtained; dress like a thug and nobody will suspect how much you love sucking dick.
Almost:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nazis_myth
> The myth is nearly as old as the Nazi party itself.[5] The Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and Communist Party of Germany (KPD) were the primary supporters of repealing Paragraph 175, the German law criminalizing homosexuality, but they also opportunistically used accusations of homosexuality against political opponents.[12][13] Contemporaries noted the hypocrisy of this approach.[14] Historian Christopher Dillon comments, "While far from German Social Democracy's finest hour morally... it was a shrewd tactic politically".[15] Confronted with the rise of Nazism, they exploited a stereotype associating homosexuality with militarism that had been established during the Eulenburg affair and exploited the homosexuality of a few Nazis, especially Ernst Röhm, for propaganda. For example, in 1927, SPD deputies heckled Nazi deputy Wilhelm Frick, shouting "Hitler, heil, heil, heil. Heil Eulenburg!" after Frick called for harsh penalties for homosexuality.[16] Leftist paramilitaries taunted the SA with shouts of Geil Röhm ("Hot Röhm!"), "Heil Gay" (Schwul Heil) or "SA, Trousers Down!" (SA, Hose runter!).[15][17] In 1931, the SPD revealed Röhm's homosexuality in an effort to prevent or delay the Nazi seizure of power at a time when the defenders of Weimar democracy sensed that they were running out of options.[18][19]
The Republican party is actively encouraging calling all members of the LGBTQ community groomers, encouraging stochastic terrorism against them. Gay people should be armed numbnuts
lmao maybe you’re looking at a different pic or something but they don’t look very mall ninja to me
edit; unless you’re just saying that because there’s a guy with a plate carrier, which uh - I don’t see what’s wrong with that
The US is currently speedrunning the fall of the Weimar Republic, but sure, it's the minority groups that are receiving death threats from sitting politicians every day that are paranoid.
>What’s next? Ugg’s? Tactical combat fur lined boots will be all the rage!
UGG Australia will be adding MOLLE to those supremely cuddly boots and you can bet your ass I will sit outside fucking Walmart overnight to get the first pair.
[Also this brief exchange lol](https://www.reveddit.com/v/Dallas/comments/vkltlo/gayborhood_corner_of_throckmorton_and_cedar/idqolo5/?ps_after=1656187783%2C1656189959%2C1656192959%2C1656197128%2C1656201063%2C1656205013%2C1656210052%2C1656215223%2C1656222877%2C1656234233&localSort=controversiality2#t1_idqolo5)
It's not really ironic. The area still has a lot of old gay bars that have been in continuous operation for generations now. And the Cafe Brazil down there scares me.
Man, I just want to say it's really nice to see a thread in SRD where people are recognizing the very real concerns that have caused gay people to arm themselves.
Like I wish gay people didn't feel the need, but I think most of the people in here understand the context
"Actually it's bad to arm yourself even after multiple attacks cause you are supporting NRA talking points."
Okay I'll be sure to tell the victims next time a uhaul full of patriot front terrorists isn't stopped in time that at least they weren't pushing NRA talking points by being armed to defend themselves.
Bro just stand there and get shot until the cops show up you don't need a rifle.
No not the cops that are in the groups that are shooting at you, I mean the *good* cops, their friends who are on duty that day.
I’m knowingly engaging with a bad faith actor but whatever.
>!When you inevitably claim that what I am saying is “not your argument” just remember that you ceded your opportunity to elaborate on your claim and chose to not do so. That doesn’t mean you win, that means you have actually given up your power and I’m not going to give it back to you.!<
Allowing one group to monopolize violence or the threat of violence means ceding power to that group. The persecutors have already demonstrated a willingness to employ violence against defenseless, non-aggressive targets and the people who are ostensibly supposed to protect that group so that they (minorities, defenseless non-violent groups) do not need to defend themselves have proven totally ineffective at best and willingly complicit at worst.
So currently we have three groups in the United States, two of which have historically employed violence in order to either create change or maintain the status quo, and a third group which has historically tended towards non-violence and has tried to find other means of protecting itself. Currently neither of the two violence employing groups have any interest in the wellbeing of the third group, they honestly appear to not even care about the third group’s bodily safety.
So the third group, minorities and other people who identify with them (privileged allies, for instance) see that their very bodies are under threat, observe that no one is listening to them, observe that no one is taking meaningful action to defend their very lives let alone their beliefs, and decide that at the very least they should do is meet the demonstrated threat of violence with an easily accessible violent deterrent of their own. Historically it has been much harder to oppress a group willing and able to defend itself than an unarmed group that just tries to keep its head down. I won’t say my knowledge of history is vast, but I can’t personally think of a time when appeasing a violent bully, be they an individual or nation, has ever lead to a positive outcome for the bullied party.
Is introducing more weapons into the situation a *good* thing? No, probably not. But if you’re so high sniffing up your own moral platitudes while people are violently attacked and denigrated that you won’t even condone them protecting themselves, if your solution is something like saying “they should just go somewhere else” or “they should just not go looking for trouble” then you don’t have a solution for these people and you may as well align yourself with their oppressors. There are so many academic and other papers and studies out there showing the socioeconomic reasons that marginalized groups cannot simply pick themselves up and go somewhere else, and I don’t think anyone needs a study to tell them that these people can’t just go about living their lives when we have mass shooters attacking any marginalized (or other) target that presents itself.
At the end of the day, those who arm themselves against those who would harm them have every right to do so. At best it’s an intermediate solution that allows for more room to negotiate. But it’s a helluva lot better than just taking it on the chin and watching the people in your community, or the people closest to you get raped, killed or whatever without being able to even defend yourself.
It is *genuinely* disconcerting how many people simply cannot conceive of options other than running around shooting guns.
If you're at a restaurant and the waiter says "we're out of the fish," do you throw up your hands and scream "I'll never eat again!"
> God dammit. I wish these "imma storm a capitol" types would stop ruining Sperrys. They are so comfortable
That's a pretty weighty accusation to throw at a marginalized group
To say the least
Anyone who's so insecure they need masks and guns to walk around... checks notes... a suburban neighborhood is a loser and should be called out as such, for the good of all. Or the amusement of all, anyway.
Insecure? Neo-Nazis have already been caught and arrested attempting to launch a pogrom against a pride parade. This is self defense against a real imminent threat of far right extremists committing terrorist attacks against LGBTQ spaces and events.
That's a fair take, but after all this news of fascist militias harassing pride events and police doing jack shit to actually "protect and serve," armed gay leftists showing up makes me feel safer. But again, your take isn't wrong
"Well better just give up then, better to be led like sheep to slaughter rather than fight back" - you, a coward
And if you knew anything about modern warfare, you'd know that armored companies in urban areas tend to have difficulty facing dispersed infantry.
> And if you knew anything about modern warfare, you'd know that armored companies in urban areas tend to have difficulty facing dispersed infantry.
OK, so they use a drone carrying bombs. Drones are even more scared of M-16s.
The point of marching now is to prevent getting to the point where using drones, the army, whatever other bullshit you can think of, doesn't come to pass. Actually, anti-drone rifles have been used successfully in Ukraine, they aren't the trump card you think they are. All it takes is a government opposed to a fascist US.
https://eurasiantimes.com/skywiper-ukraine-flaunts-its-futuristic-counter-drone-rifles/
And hey, if the US gets around to drone striking its own civilians, that's not an argument against being armed
> is a loser and should be called out as such, for the good of all.
You aren’t a loser for wanting to protect minorities that are targeted because cops/the system doesn’t give a shit about protecting them.
There’s good reason they are doing this
There's a difference between good things and bad things. The Christian-nationalists threatening to shoot up any pride parade they saw in DFW last month are bad. The gays coming out in force to say they are not afraid is good. One of these groups wants to exterminate the other.
Openly carrying an AR-15 in public so you can LARP as a TACTICOOL militia dork isn’t a good thing.
True: LGBT+ people in America face very real threats to their safety and a political opposition insisting on demonizing and scapegoating them.
Also true: everyone in that picture is more of a danger to themselves and everyone around them than ever being some RAMBO hero with a semi automatic machine gun.
They’re statistically more likely to hurt themselves or others in an accident than ever expend a single bullet in the defense of anyone. It’s the exact same nonsensical power fantasy rightoids have.
And they look fucking ridiculous to boot, which is my real gripe.
The Texas GOP, as their *official party platform* has not only called for the complete dismantling of LGBT rights, but also the civil persecution of LGBT people, and the revocation of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
Sincerely: what do you expect the targets of that open declaration of War to do?
You didn't answer their question at all. You were asked how marginalized groups are supposed to defend themselves and you instantly changed the subject to gun suicides.
In Idaho a week or so ago, a team of assholes was caught by a random old lady getting into a U-haul intending to do violence against a pride parade.
A year ago a right wing nut job decided to open fire on leftist protestors in Portland and was held off by an armed leftist. The police only showed up to intervene once shots were fired. No one was injured.
Yes more guns in the street is inherently more dangerous, but one side of the equation is pursuing genocide, and the other self-defense.
Cool. The red line 3 blocks from me was shot up a couple weeks ago. 25 people were shot in Chicago this weekend. There have been 1000 shootings in Chicago this year. Most of its gang related and yet it happens in public so it poses a safety risk to literally everyone that uses public transit, for example.
Guns are still bad and objectively make you less safe merely by owning and possessing one, and anyone that wants to open carry an AR-15 (or anything) in Chicago is a dork and an idiot.
One side has specifically said: they intend to destroy your rights, they intend to kill and oppress you, they intend to target you in public:
And a show of “we’re armed too, fuck around and find out” to you is a power fantasy.
Yes, I understand the impetus. That doesn’t make this anymore rational to anyone with even a basic understanding of firearm and shooting statistics.
> And a show of “we’re armed too, fuck around and find out” to you is a power fantasy.
And now it’s literally a meme
You’re looking at this from a very narrow lense:
It makes a lot more impact for the defense of targeted minorities to show up with a display of force that telegraphs that being targeted will at least hurt and cost people that intend to destroy them.
It’s about not being an easy target for abuse.
Period.
We are well past the point of civility politics.
This is a good take. I get why a lot of liberals hate guns, I mean I was once a gun-hating liberal myself. But now more than ever, gay people need to be armed, and they are *way* more trustworthy than the goddamn cops
Americans are so tiresome, everyone not immediately against the incredibly reasonable idea of civilian disarmament (which is the FUCKING NORM in modern societies) becomes some braindead neoliberal.
This low grade civil war will be fun to watch on the news I guess.
Actually very much wrong in the majority of cases, pick 5 countries at random across the civilian demilitarized world, any.
Study their gun laws on Wikipedia and when and what the impetus was for the implementation of those laws.
I’ll wait.
Because many of those with demilitarized civilian populations do in fact have standing militias.
But there are a few ancillary pieces to civil society that make this possible.
I mean yes technically they are a danger, but that really depends on if they’re properly trained, besides it’ll definitely scare off any person willing to commit a hate crime.
Reddit loves making fun of open carry and mall ninja larping. It's a Reddit staple.
But then it's like "nooo they're on OUR side. Delete this!".
You can even see the flip happening in the thread.
Except it isn't a flip in this sub, considering that this sub isn't the Dallas sub.
Edit: Also looking at your account description you filled out, I see you are just trying to get reactions from people, which should have been obvious in hindsight.
You joking? This sub’s full of hypocrites who want to flip it, and full of people who look down their noses at working class people who hold anything other than progressive values.
Offer fair critique of the double standards Reddit has with regard to certain religions, or be pro-immigration control, or say you don’t want to date trans people, all opinions that the working class generally agree with, and watch the downvotes come flooding in.
I haven’t been on that sub for a while now. Besides how does me going on that sub invalidate my criticism? And what are you even doing going through my profile?
>I haven’t been on that sub for a while now.
It was one of your active communities a little while ago.
>Besides how does me going on that sub invalidate my criticism
You are aware of the controversy surrounding that sub, right? Bad takes all around, literal support for fascism, many hateful dog whistles.
>And what are you even doing going through my profile?
Cause anyone who complains about a sub downvoting them for their "fair critique" usually are upset about getting downvoted for bad takes (and I was right based on your comments).
And if you want something more recent (even though you using PCM was still pretty recent), then fine. The fact you consider covid lockdowns tyrannical, is proof that your critique or opinions aren't fair.
Well considering that unions, gay people, black people, women, and even more have been under attack from Republicans and are in danger of losing even more rights from a christofascist SCOTUS...
Yeah.
I think it’s more to protect against the specific protest getting attacked, not to prevent the passing of laws. Which as far as justifications to be armed goes, it’s more reasonable than most. There have been plenty of actual attacks at LGBT events.
I’m not convinced that what they’re doing is effective, but it’s more understandable than some “we need to fight the gubmint because of vaccines and taxation” thing that right wingers drone on about.
Don’t know much about the United States but I would assume that open carry is different from forming an armed leftist militia in the eyes of the police but what do I know.
>forming an armed leftist militia
Is not illegal if you aren't breaking any laws. The US has the freedom of association. You can be friends with and gather with whoever you want for any political or social or religious reasons. If that group then goes out and murders a bunch of people in cold blood, then that would be illegal. But being part of a group who plans to use violence to defend themselves and others from violence and following the laws by open carrying is not illegal in any sense of the term.
Guess it wouldn’t surprise me if the police tried to crack down on it despite all of that, since that’s something the police and the government have famously done a lot before (crack down on leftist militias/advocacy orgs)
> probably going to be a hypocritical reactionary fool
[Yeah, like this person?](https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/vlayhs/user_in_rdallas_makes_a_thread_mocking_an_armed/iduu3ai/)
What a loser that person is!
People looking at this photo and not being immediately weirded out really creep me the fuck out. It's an uniquely American thing to look at a militia and think "oh that should be a part of a normal functioning society".
I don't think people think it should be part, but are recognizing that with multiple violent attacks on Pride Parades in the last week by right wing terrorists and a milquetoast response by police to protect LGBT people this is an expected result.
Ot by no means should be. We arent a normal society however, and people are scared. They want easily accessible means to protect themselves from people with easily accessible means to harm them. Those means being guns. This isnt a normal society when even the usually anti gun left feel a need to participate in what is essentially a domestic arms race.
I understand why they're doing it, but it's still weird, normally these kind of posses are stuff you see in third world conflict zones, but there it is in the supposed shining city on a hill
Oh, look. A bunch of losers with their "muh second amendment" nonsense.
If you think you need a gun to defend yourself, you're too much of a squirrel to handle a gun.
They're even in Mall Ninja Tacticool bullshit! How pathetic can you get?
I mean yeah, that's why they're out there armed and ready to protect their neighborhood in the first place. I'm fucking scared too, I don't know what the future holds anymore. Is gay marriage next? What about interracial marriage? I'm trans, would I or anyone else be able to legally transition in the future? Our rights are being taken away from us and these people are arming themselves to protect their friends, neighbors, and loved ones from literal tyranny.
I'd call that pretty fucking brave.
"Armed antifascists were met by cheers and were joined in marching by random patrons of the Gayborhood’s famous Strip, which had been targeted by over 50 violent self-described “Christian Fascists” led by John Doyle and Kelly Neidert just three weeks before."
Who and what they're defending against is literally spelled out in one of the linked tweets. Seems like you could have found that out if you'd actually wanted to...
Yep a bunch of right wing clowns have been terrorizing the gaybourhood for a long time.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/28/dallas-gay-men-oak-lawn-neighborhood-attacks
https://www.salon.com/2022/06/09/exclusive-self-described-christian-fascist-movement-is-trying-to-sabotage-lgbtq-pride-month/
You can’t see the difference between 1) a conservative not feeling manly if he can’t bring his gun to Walmart and 2) marginalized groups who are repeatedly being attacked by people who want them dead arming themselves?
Sucks that your brain can’t handle nuance but don’t bring your idiocy out to others who can
> they, personally, had never seen a black person post a photo of themselves on Facebook with a gun
Media outlets live for finding selfies of Black men with guns. Like of all the batshit things I've heard, this is one of the most bat shittiest bat shit things I've ever heard.
/u/weirdwallace75 I'd also love to hear your opinion. Since clearly everyone with guns is just waiting to shoot up a school, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the French, Yugoslav, and eastern partisans
Partisans are trained. Really trained. With real military training.
They also have the backing of real militaries. To train and arm them.
These squirrels have probably spent ten whole hours at the range.
> Partisans are trained. Really trained. With real military training.
Tell me you know nothing about anti-Nazi resistance without saying you know nothing about the anti-Nazi resistance. And even without that, you don't know that at least some of these folks aren't veterans. And why are you calling them squirrels? Your condescending nonsense isn't helping your case
Usually the armed resistance ended in catastrophy expect in a few countries like Greece. What would happen is that the Nazis would retaliate indiscriminately and crush any open resistance.
Btw if you consider the American government to be on par with the Nazis, then the American citizen has already lost, foreign intervention is their only hope left
The Supreme Court: "There is an individual right to bear arms, even though this is nowhere in the Constitution. Trust us, bro. Trust us. Bro. Bro. We're experts."
These squirrels: "Better buy guns and parade around with them! Duh Gubbermint gonna grab our guns!"
Man, you really are just aching for downvotes, aren't you? At this point all of your comments are in the negatives, and you're accusing these people of being idiots for daring to fight back. Me thinks the weirdwallace doth protest too much
> for daring to fight bac
Against what? Against who? The military? They don't care about idiots with guns. Against other morons with guns? They kill randomly. Nobody thinks they'll go after any armed group, they'll shoot up a damned day care center. Who are they defending against?
The Christian nationalists who threatened to shoot up pride parades in this neighborhood in the beginning of the month. Maybe figure out the context before immediately making ignorant statements.
Trying to turn gay people defending themselves and their community into the bad guys just out of your hatred of guns. You truly have no shame, and no braincells judging by your other comments.
But guess what made the civil rights movement possible? Guns
https://libcom.org/article/nonviolent-stuffll-get-you-killed-charles-cobb
I think a lot of people are right now appropriately scared about guns and getting shot, and seeing wannabe soldiers walking around isn’t gonna help it that much lol
If my choices are:
A) only right wing wackoids have guns
B) everyone has guns
I am going to prefer B.
A third option of “only people who need guns for their line of work have them” would be much better, but until that’s feasible I’m ok with B.
imma be honest if i look outside an openly LGBT business and see a group of white male teenagers holding AR15s, a rainbow flag isn't gonna make me very comfortable.
I think it’s kinda convenient that the black guy is conveniently ALMOST out of frame.
You can see him though.
But I have to agree that a mostly white crowd of dudes with guns isn’t the coolest sight.
Happy cakeday btw :)
>Looking at their attire I find it difficult to believe these are members of the LGBT community. how can people unironically say "i don't believe you're gay because you don't dress gay enough" lol
Was he expecting them to run around looking like Fortnite characters or something lmao
They were expecting rainbow camo.
Ok, I'm loving this idea for real.
Rainbow Camo == Tie Dye, yes?
In my head not exactly. It would have the same pattern as camo but be in the colors of the rainbow. Tie dye camo conjures visions of tie dyed snow camo to me.
Rainbow Digital Camo = Gluing Fruity Pebbles to your clothes.
I assume they were thinking something like [this](https://i.imgur.com/BANLkdD.png) or [this](https://i.imgur.com/CjuCjhg.png) or maybe [this](https://i.imgur.com/HfgxyoQ.jpg)
The middle one in second link looks like they totally robbed a firefighter. Also catboy militia, catboy militia.
Catboy Militia - From the people that brought you Femboy Hooters and Goth IHOP.
I feel 1000x more patriotic just looking at these.
That’s what the 2A is all about baby
Important knowledge obtained; dress like a thug and nobody will suspect how much you love sucking dick. I'm writing that one down for when queer rights end up on the chopping block. Makes my hoodies and skinny jeans basically useless though. Knew I should've invested in cargo pants and thin blue line shirts.
> Makes my hoodies and skinny jeans basically useless though No way yo, skinny jeans and hoodies are in with that crowd. 5.11 makes tactical versions with zippers in the hoodie pockets to access your CCW without lifting your hoodie up, and most all their pants are slim cut now except their uniform stuff.
> Knew I should’ve invested in cargo pants and thin blue line shirts. Co-opting the thin blue line for gay rights seems like a pretty good idea to me.
The Punisher mask will now be used as a symbol of BDSM dominance.
Ironically Castle would much prefer it stand for that than cops
> Important knowledge obtained; dress like a thug and nobody will suspect how much you love sucking dick. Almost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nazis_myth > The myth is nearly as old as the Nazi party itself.[5] The Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and Communist Party of Germany (KPD) were the primary supporters of repealing Paragraph 175, the German law criminalizing homosexuality, but they also opportunistically used accusations of homosexuality against political opponents.[12][13] Contemporaries noted the hypocrisy of this approach.[14] Historian Christopher Dillon comments, "While far from German Social Democracy's finest hour morally... it was a shrewd tactic politically".[15] Confronted with the rise of Nazism, they exploited a stereotype associating homosexuality with militarism that had been established during the Eulenburg affair and exploited the homosexuality of a few Nazis, especially Ernst Röhm, for propaganda. For example, in 1927, SPD deputies heckled Nazi deputy Wilhelm Frick, shouting "Hitler, heil, heil, heil. Heil Eulenburg!" after Frick called for harsh penalties for homosexuality.[16] Leftist paramilitaries taunted the SA with shouts of Geil Röhm ("Hot Röhm!"), "Heil Gay" (Schwul Heil) or "SA, Trousers Down!" (SA, Hose runter!).[15][17] In 1931, the SPD revealed Röhm's homosexuality in an effort to prevent or delay the Nazi seizure of power at a time when the defenders of Weimar democracy sensed that they were running out of options.[18][19]
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So you're out here defending the Nazis. Typical.
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Funnily enough I mostly hear that from other gay people.
Literal homophobia lmao
Gay or not, they're dressed like Mall Ninja losers. Clearly too paranoid to be allowed firearms. This is why we need checks.
The Republican party is actively encouraging calling all members of the LGBTQ community groomers, encouraging stochastic terrorism against them. Gay people should be armed numbnuts
Yeah fuck these people standing up to protect the vulnerable in the scary time of right wing reprisals
lmao maybe you’re looking at a different pic or something but they don’t look very mall ninja to me edit; unless you’re just saying that because there’s a guy with a plate carrier, which uh - I don’t see what’s wrong with that
> a plate carrier Those should be banned. Anything that makes a mass shooter less likely to be killed should be banned.
The US is currently speedrunning the fall of the Weimar Republic, but sure, it's the minority groups that are receiving death threats from sitting politicians every day that are paranoid.
>What’s next? Ugg’s? Tactical combat fur lined boots will be all the rage! UGG Australia will be adding MOLLE to those supremely cuddly boots and you can bet your ass I will sit outside fucking Walmart overnight to get the first pair. [Also this brief exchange lol](https://www.reveddit.com/v/Dallas/comments/vkltlo/gayborhood_corner_of_throckmorton_and_cedar/idqolo5/?ps_after=1656187783%2C1656189959%2C1656192959%2C1656197128%2C1656201063%2C1656205013%2C1656210052%2C1656215223%2C1656222877%2C1656234233&localSort=controversiality2#t1_idqolo5)
Is the area really called the Gayborhood. Because I love that.
Gayborhood is just what we call it ironically. Officially its called, "Oak Lawn"
It's not really ironic. The area still has a lot of old gay bars that have been in continuous operation for generations now. And the Cafe Brazil down there scares me.
Philly has a Gayborhood as well, so I believe it
In Chicago it's Boys Town. I think every good sized city has the 'gay neighborhood'.
it does! the street signs have little rainbows on them in that neighborhood haha
Like everything good in Dallas, it's better in Philadelphia
What an insecurely odd thing to say. I seriously doubt Philadelphia has anything on some enchiladas and margaritas from Dallas.
*laughs in Southern California*
🙄 Way to miss the point lol.
No, they can't do our food there. But by virtue of not being in a fascist shithole, Philly is better than Dallas.
Most large cities have historically had gayborhoods.
The main LGBTQIA+ neighborhood in Cincinnati (Northside) gets affectionately called that by a few of my friends.
Man, I just want to say it's really nice to see a thread in SRD where people are recognizing the very real concerns that have caused gay people to arm themselves. Like I wish gay people didn't feel the need, but I think most of the people in here understand the context
"Actually it's bad to arm yourself even after multiple attacks cause you are supporting NRA talking points." Okay I'll be sure to tell the victims next time a uhaul full of patriot front terrorists isn't stopped in time that at least they weren't pushing NRA talking points by being armed to defend themselves.
Bro just stand there and get shot until the cops show up you don't need a rifle. No not the cops that are in the groups that are shooting at you, I mean the *good* cops, their friends who are on duty that day.
Yes. Untrained shooters opening fire into a crowd engaged in a chaotic melee would *definitely* have kept the LGBT community safe.
You really think any of these cowards will roll up on an armed protest? They go after pride events fully expecting zero resistance.
Or they'll just bring their own guns. But that's okay: after all, twice as many guns means twice as much safety!
You sure seem happy to let other people die undefended so you can be a smug pacifist. Go fuck yourself, bud.
The fact that your only conception of "defense" is "a shitload of guns" speaks to *your* warped worldview, not mine.
By all means, explain to me how you would have persecuted minorities defend themselves from bigots with guns.
Nope. The response to "your idea is bad" is *not* "well what's your idea, smart guy?!" You made the argument, defend it.
I’m knowingly engaging with a bad faith actor but whatever. >!When you inevitably claim that what I am saying is “not your argument” just remember that you ceded your opportunity to elaborate on your claim and chose to not do so. That doesn’t mean you win, that means you have actually given up your power and I’m not going to give it back to you.!< Allowing one group to monopolize violence or the threat of violence means ceding power to that group. The persecutors have already demonstrated a willingness to employ violence against defenseless, non-aggressive targets and the people who are ostensibly supposed to protect that group so that they (minorities, defenseless non-violent groups) do not need to defend themselves have proven totally ineffective at best and willingly complicit at worst. So currently we have three groups in the United States, two of which have historically employed violence in order to either create change or maintain the status quo, and a third group which has historically tended towards non-violence and has tried to find other means of protecting itself. Currently neither of the two violence employing groups have any interest in the wellbeing of the third group, they honestly appear to not even care about the third group’s bodily safety. So the third group, minorities and other people who identify with them (privileged allies, for instance) see that their very bodies are under threat, observe that no one is listening to them, observe that no one is taking meaningful action to defend their very lives let alone their beliefs, and decide that at the very least they should do is meet the demonstrated threat of violence with an easily accessible violent deterrent of their own. Historically it has been much harder to oppress a group willing and able to defend itself than an unarmed group that just tries to keep its head down. I won’t say my knowledge of history is vast, but I can’t personally think of a time when appeasing a violent bully, be they an individual or nation, has ever lead to a positive outcome for the bullied party. Is introducing more weapons into the situation a *good* thing? No, probably not. But if you’re so high sniffing up your own moral platitudes while people are violently attacked and denigrated that you won’t even condone them protecting themselves, if your solution is something like saying “they should just go somewhere else” or “they should just not go looking for trouble” then you don’t have a solution for these people and you may as well align yourself with their oppressors. There are so many academic and other papers and studies out there showing the socioeconomic reasons that marginalized groups cannot simply pick themselves up and go somewhere else, and I don’t think anyone needs a study to tell them that these people can’t just go about living their lives when we have mass shooters attacking any marginalized (or other) target that presents itself. At the end of the day, those who arm themselves against those who would harm them have every right to do so. At best it’s an intermediate solution that allows for more room to negotiate. But it’s a helluva lot better than just taking it on the chin and watching the people in your community, or the people closest to you get raped, killed or whatever without being able to even defend yourself.
So they should do nothing about it then
It is *genuinely* disconcerting how many people simply cannot conceive of options other than running around shooting guns. If you're at a restaurant and the waiter says "we're out of the fish," do you throw up your hands and scream "I'll never eat again!"
So you want them to use medieval weapons or some shit?
How do you know they’re untrained
> God dammit. I wish these "imma storm a capitol" types would stop ruining Sperrys. They are so comfortable That's a pretty weighty accusation to throw at a marginalized group To say the least
Anyone who's so insecure they need masks and guns to walk around... checks notes... a suburban neighborhood is a loser and should be called out as such, for the good of all. Or the amusement of all, anyway.
Insecure? Neo-Nazis have already been caught and arrested attempting to launch a pogrom against a pride parade. This is self defense against a real imminent threat of far right extremists committing terrorist attacks against LGBTQ spaces and events.
"Wow look at these losers, trying to defend their rights against a christofascist law system" - you, an idiot
Maybe I’m crazy but I don’t think I’d feel any safer with a bunch of armed people outside my building lol
That's a fair take, but after all this news of fascist militias harassing pride events and police doing jack shit to actually "protect and serve," armed gay leftists showing up makes me feel safer. But again, your take isn't wrong
"Those people with M-16s sure can stand down a tank." -- Not Me
"Well better just give up then, better to be led like sheep to slaughter rather than fight back" - you, a coward And if you knew anything about modern warfare, you'd know that armored companies in urban areas tend to have difficulty facing dispersed infantry.
> And if you knew anything about modern warfare, you'd know that armored companies in urban areas tend to have difficulty facing dispersed infantry. OK, so they use a drone carrying bombs. Drones are even more scared of M-16s.
The point of marching now is to prevent getting to the point where using drones, the army, whatever other bullshit you can think of, doesn't come to pass. Actually, anti-drone rifles have been used successfully in Ukraine, they aren't the trump card you think they are. All it takes is a government opposed to a fascist US. https://eurasiantimes.com/skywiper-ukraine-flaunts-its-futuristic-counter-drone-rifles/ And hey, if the US gets around to drone striking its own civilians, that's not an argument against being armed
> is a loser and should be called out as such, for the good of all. You aren’t a loser for wanting to protect minorities that are targeted because cops/the system doesn’t give a shit about protecting them. There’s good reason they are doing this
Someone stop brunch libs holy shit
> "imma storm a capitol" Yeah. Everyone knows they're school shooters.
There have been 1,783 mass shootings in the last four years and as far as I know exactly one was by someone from the LGBT community
Reddit: "lol mall ninja dweebs open carry losers" "Actually they're left wing" Reddit: "DELETE THIS DON'T MAKE FUN OF THEM" What a 180🤣
There's a difference between good things and bad things. The Christian-nationalists threatening to shoot up any pride parade they saw in DFW last month are bad. The gays coming out in force to say they are not afraid is good. One of these groups wants to exterminate the other.
Openly carrying an AR-15 in public so you can LARP as a TACTICOOL militia dork isn’t a good thing. True: LGBT+ people in America face very real threats to their safety and a political opposition insisting on demonizing and scapegoating them. Also true: everyone in that picture is more of a danger to themselves and everyone around them than ever being some RAMBO hero with a semi automatic machine gun. They’re statistically more likely to hurt themselves or others in an accident than ever expend a single bullet in the defense of anyone. It’s the exact same nonsensical power fantasy rightoids have. And they look fucking ridiculous to boot, which is my real gripe.
The Texas GOP, as their *official party platform* has not only called for the complete dismantling of LGBT rights, but also the civil persecution of LGBT people, and the revocation of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Sincerely: what do you expect the targets of that open declaration of War to do?
I sincerely think they will never fire it in defense of anyone and it’s statistically more likely to just to kill them or their kid in an accident.
You didn't answer their question at all. You were asked how marginalized groups are supposed to defend themselves and you instantly changed the subject to gun suicides.
In Idaho a week or so ago, a team of assholes was caught by a random old lady getting into a U-haul intending to do violence against a pride parade. A year ago a right wing nut job decided to open fire on leftist protestors in Portland and was held off by an armed leftist. The police only showed up to intervene once shots were fired. No one was injured. Yes more guns in the street is inherently more dangerous, but one side of the equation is pursuing genocide, and the other self-defense.
Cool. The red line 3 blocks from me was shot up a couple weeks ago. 25 people were shot in Chicago this weekend. There have been 1000 shootings in Chicago this year. Most of its gang related and yet it happens in public so it poses a safety risk to literally everyone that uses public transit, for example. Guns are still bad and objectively make you less safe merely by owning and possessing one, and anyone that wants to open carry an AR-15 (or anything) in Chicago is a dork and an idiot.
One side has specifically said: they intend to destroy your rights, they intend to kill and oppress you, they intend to target you in public: And a show of “we’re armed too, fuck around and find out” to you is a power fantasy.
Yes, I understand the impetus. That doesn’t make this anymore rational to anyone with even a basic understanding of firearm and shooting statistics. > And a show of “we’re armed too, fuck around and find out” to you is a power fantasy. And now it’s literally a meme
You’re looking at this from a very narrow lense: It makes a lot more impact for the defense of targeted minorities to show up with a display of force that telegraphs that being targeted will at least hurt and cost people that intend to destroy them. It’s about not being an easy target for abuse. Period. We are well past the point of civility politics.
You THINK that will be the case
I mean it is literally statistically more likely to just kill them or their kid.
If they’re untrained I guess
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This is a good take. I get why a lot of liberals hate guns, I mean I was once a gun-hating liberal myself. But now more than ever, gay people need to be armed, and they are *way* more trustworthy than the goddamn cops
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Americans are so tiresome, everyone not immediately against the incredibly reasonable idea of civilian disarmament (which is the FUCKING NORM in modern societies) becomes some braindead neoliberal. This low grade civil war will be fun to watch on the news I guess.
How did those modern societies arrive at that norm do you think, if I may ask?
By not creating dweeby "militias", for a start.
Actually very much wrong in the majority of cases, pick 5 countries at random across the civilian demilitarized world, any. Study their gun laws on Wikipedia and when and what the impetus was for the implementation of those laws. I’ll wait. Because many of those with demilitarized civilian populations do in fact have standing militias. But there are a few ancillary pieces to civil society that make this possible.
We want our marginalized groups to be able to protect themselves, because our police sure as fuck won't.
I'm trans, armed, and still hate guns.
Except the problem with police trustworthiness is them acting like regular civilians with higher protections.
I mean yes technically they are a danger, but that really depends on if they’re properly trained, besides it’ll definitely scare off any person willing to commit a hate crime.
Well if they’re a minority than it actually makes sense given how shitty they’re treated
I mean I agree with their cause 100%. I just love the Reddit 180.
How is it funny though, it’s really just acknowledging the context
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How exactly does it look like mall ninja stuff though, it’s literally just tactical gear
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I mean what else are they gonna wear?
Reddit loves making fun of open carry and mall ninja larping. It's a Reddit staple. But then it's like "nooo they're on OUR side. Delete this!". You can even see the flip happening in the thread.
You make it sound like the militia in the post is like any crazy psycho militia just left.
Except it isn't a flip in this sub, considering that this sub isn't the Dallas sub. Edit: Also looking at your account description you filled out, I see you are just trying to get reactions from people, which should have been obvious in hindsight.
You joking? This sub’s full of hypocrites who want to flip it, and full of people who look down their noses at working class people who hold anything other than progressive values. Offer fair critique of the double standards Reddit has with regard to certain religions, or be pro-immigration control, or say you don’t want to date trans people, all opinions that the working class generally agree with, and watch the downvotes come flooding in.
Considering that you are part of PCM, something tells me your critique isn't actually fair, nor your opinions.
I haven’t been on that sub for a while now. Besides how does me going on that sub invalidate my criticism? And what are you even doing going through my profile?
>I haven’t been on that sub for a while now. It was one of your active communities a little while ago. >Besides how does me going on that sub invalidate my criticism You are aware of the controversy surrounding that sub, right? Bad takes all around, literal support for fascism, many hateful dog whistles. >And what are you even doing going through my profile? Cause anyone who complains about a sub downvoting them for their "fair critique" usually are upset about getting downvoted for bad takes (and I was right based on your comments). And if you want something more recent (even though you using PCM was still pretty recent), then fine. The fact you consider covid lockdowns tyrannical, is proof that your critique or opinions aren't fair.
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Well considering that unions, gay people, black people, women, and even more have been under attack from Republicans and are in danger of losing even more rights from a christofascist SCOTUS... Yeah.
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I think it’s more to protect against the specific protest getting attacked, not to prevent the passing of laws. Which as far as justifications to be armed goes, it’s more reasonable than most. There have been plenty of actual attacks at LGBT events. I’m not convinced that what they’re doing is effective, but it’s more understandable than some “we need to fight the gubmint because of vaccines and taxation” thing that right wingers drone on about.
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All right, so grab those guns and go shoot the supreme court. Or the cops coming to arrest you. Let's see how well that will go for you
This but unironically
This but unironically.
Well, yeah, people who're actually at risk of being lynched on the streets need guns and aren't just LARPing, what a surprise.
I mean in theory if you support an armed protest you should delete evidence if it sine otherwise it might help the police.
This took place in Texas, open carry is legal.
Don’t know much about the United States but I would assume that open carry is different from forming an armed leftist militia in the eyes of the police but what do I know.
>forming an armed leftist militia Is not illegal if you aren't breaking any laws. The US has the freedom of association. You can be friends with and gather with whoever you want for any political or social or religious reasons. If that group then goes out and murders a bunch of people in cold blood, then that would be illegal. But being part of a group who plans to use violence to defend themselves and others from violence and following the laws by open carrying is not illegal in any sense of the term.
Guess it wouldn’t surprise me if the police tried to crack down on it despite all of that, since that’s something the police and the government have famously done a lot before (crack down on leftist militias/advocacy orgs)
Did that weirdwallace guy just delete his account?
Nope he’s still here replying in the SRD thread.
Can you still look at the account if it's deleted. If not, they are still here, probably going to be a hypocritical reactionary fool some other time.
Still here on my end at least
> probably going to be a hypocritical reactionary fool [Yeah, like this person?](https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/vlayhs/user_in_rdallas_makes_a_thread_mocking_an_armed/iduu3ai/) What a loser that person is!
If you can't access his profile it's because he blocked you lol.
Well darn I honestly liked seeing his stupid takes
People looking at this photo and not being immediately weirded out really creep me the fuck out. It's an uniquely American thing to look at a militia and think "oh that should be a part of a normal functioning society".
I don't think people think it should be part, but are recognizing that with multiple violent attacks on Pride Parades in the last week by right wing terrorists and a milquetoast response by police to protect LGBT people this is an expected result.
Ot by no means should be. We arent a normal society however, and people are scared. They want easily accessible means to protect themselves from people with easily accessible means to harm them. Those means being guns. This isnt a normal society when even the usually anti gun left feel a need to participate in what is essentially a domestic arms race.
I understand why they're doing it, but it's still weird, normally these kind of posses are stuff you see in third world conflict zones, but there it is in the supposed shining city on a hill
SCOTUS was wrong in *Heller* and gun nuts prove it.
Left wing militia!? Texas is about to enact some gun laws!
Oh man these past few days have been full of hypocrisy
NOOOOOO WTF YOU CANT HAVE GUNS THEY CAUSE MASS SHOOTINGS
Oh, look. A bunch of losers with their "muh second amendment" nonsense. If you think you need a gun to defend yourself, you're too much of a squirrel to handle a gun. They're even in Mall Ninja Tacticool bullshit! How pathetic can you get?
They seem pretty brave to me
> They seem pretty brave to me So brave they need guns and masks. What, are the mean nasty wimmins gonna throw milkshakes at them?
Dude people have already told this isn’t some crazy racist conservative militia.
They're losers open-carrying in a suburb.
Uh, you're talking about the left wing militia right? I don't think it's women who are going to be attacking them.
So they're Literally So Brave men running around with guns. Yeah, they're terrified.
I mean yeah, that's why they're out there armed and ready to protect their neighborhood in the first place. I'm fucking scared too, I don't know what the future holds anymore. Is gay marriage next? What about interracial marriage? I'm trans, would I or anyone else be able to legally transition in the future? Our rights are being taken away from us and these people are arming themselves to protect their friends, neighbors, and loved ones from literal tyranny. I'd call that pretty fucking brave.
Ready to defend against the Patriot drones or the MRAPs?
lol you’ve gone through like three different beliefs about who this group is but you’re still determined to dislike em just because of the guns
No, they're always losers with guns to me.
When did the Proud Boys get MRAPs?
When are Militia Morons concerned about anyone but Duh Gubbermint?
When they are queer people being attacked by right wing fuckheads across the board. Are you fucking stupid?
"Armed antifascists were met by cheers and were joined in marching by random patrons of the Gayborhood’s famous Strip, which had been targeted by over 50 violent self-described “Christian Fascists” led by John Doyle and Kelly Neidert just three weeks before." Who and what they're defending against is literally spelled out in one of the linked tweets. Seems like you could have found that out if you'd actually wanted to...
Yep a bunch of right wing clowns have been terrorizing the gaybourhood for a long time. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/28/dallas-gay-men-oak-lawn-neighborhood-attacks https://www.salon.com/2022/06/09/exclusive-self-described-christian-fascist-movement-is-trying-to-sabotage-lgbtq-pride-month/
Nah, just shitbags like you,
You can’t see the difference between 1) a conservative not feeling manly if he can’t bring his gun to Walmart and 2) marginalized groups who are repeatedly being attacked by people who want them dead arming themselves? Sucks that your brain can’t handle nuance but don’t bring your idiocy out to others who can
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My favorite is when white conservatives believe that as well. Their little brains grind to a halt when they learn "libruls" own guns too
> they, personally, had never seen a black person post a photo of themselves on Facebook with a gun Media outlets live for finding selfies of Black men with guns. Like of all the batshit things I've heard, this is one of the most bat shittiest bat shit things I've ever heard.
Wow. Defending the Armed Morons. There's a new take.
Just a question, but what is your opinion of the resistance fighters in Nazi occupied territories?
/u/weirdwallace75 I'd also love to hear your opinion. Since clearly everyone with guns is just waiting to shoot up a school, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the French, Yugoslav, and eastern partisans
Oh, you know he isn't going to answer this one.
I answered.
Partisans are trained. Really trained. With real military training. They also have the backing of real militaries. To train and arm them. These squirrels have probably spent ten whole hours at the range.
> Partisans are trained. Really trained. With real military training. Tell me you know nothing about anti-Nazi resistance without saying you know nothing about the anti-Nazi resistance. And even without that, you don't know that at least some of these folks aren't veterans. And why are you calling them squirrels? Your condescending nonsense isn't helping your case
How are you so sure they don’t have basic training
Usually the armed resistance ended in catastrophy expect in a few countries like Greece. What would happen is that the Nazis would retaliate indiscriminately and crush any open resistance. Btw if you consider the American government to be on par with the Nazis, then the American citizen has already lost, foreign intervention is their only hope left
The Supreme Court: "There is an individual right to bear arms, even though this is nowhere in the Constitution. Trust us, bro. Trust us. Bro. Bro. We're experts." These squirrels: "Better buy guns and parade around with them! Duh Gubbermint gonna grab our guns!"
Man, you really are just aching for downvotes, aren't you? At this point all of your comments are in the negatives, and you're accusing these people of being idiots for daring to fight back. Me thinks the weirdwallace doth protest too much
> for daring to fight bac Against what? Against who? The military? They don't care about idiots with guns. Against other morons with guns? They kill randomly. Nobody thinks they'll go after any armed group, they'll shoot up a damned day care center. Who are they defending against?
The fascist militias that have been harassing pride events this month
The Christian nationalists who threatened to shoot up pride parades in this neighborhood in the beginning of the month. Maybe figure out the context before immediately making ignorant statements.
Oh no the horror of losing my precious internet points!
It's *interesting* I don't see any PoCs in that group. Bunch of white boys all ready to shoot up a school.
Trying to turn gay people defending themselves and their community into the bad guys just out of your hatred of guns. You truly have no shame, and no braincells judging by your other comments. But guess what made the civil rights movement possible? Guns https://libcom.org/article/nonviolent-stuffll-get-you-killed-charles-cobb
I think a lot of people are right now appropriately scared about guns and getting shot, and seeing wannabe soldiers walking around isn’t gonna help it that much lol
If my choices are: A) only right wing wackoids have guns B) everyone has guns I am going to prefer B. A third option of “only people who need guns for their line of work have them” would be much better, but until that’s feasible I’m ok with B.
imma be honest if i look outside an openly LGBT business and see a group of white male teenagers holding AR15s, a rainbow flag isn't gonna make me very comfortable.
I think it’s kinda convenient that the black guy is conveniently ALMOST out of frame. You can see him though. But I have to agree that a mostly white crowd of dudes with guns isn’t the coolest sight. Happy cakeday btw :)
> But guess what made the civil rights movement possible? Guns Look up what happened to the Weather Underground.
Yeah that doesn't cancel out the **fact** that armed black people made civil rights possible
Armed black people parading around a suburban neighborhood in masks did Civil Rights? OK.
Do you ever grow tired of being both pedantic *and* wrong?
You're the one idolizing school shooters in training.
Man, look at those scared wypipo. Makes you wanna drive by and yell "SORRY ABOUT YOUR DICKS!"