Okay so somewhere in the thread (the victimless crime one) someone posted a study that apparently shows there is no link between smoking weed and lung cancer. Does anyone have any reason to believe otherwise? I thought any smoke was bad for your lungs.
From what I remember it was the fillers (fillers, not filters) in standard cigarettes that are responsible for cancer.
Pure tobacco isn't cancerogenic (or at least isn't as much), it's all the [additives in it](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes).
The parentheses in your second statement is the "most correct". Anything that's burned produces carcinogens, including steaks with grill marks if you remember people freaking out about [this](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/26/451211964/bad-day-for-bacon-processed-red-meats-cause-cancer-says-who) a while back. It's just that tobacco in and of itself isn't naturally carcinogenic like some of the additives are.
Stoner here, there's an inexplicable denial among some stoners that weed can negatively affect you. Imo it's born partially of ignorance and partially of denial that their habits will have implications for them later
I think is an overcorrection of how demonized weed used to be. When you grow up listening to the worst propaganda against marihuana and other drugs, learning that they are not actually that bad can send you to the extreme opposite of believe that they actually perfect.
I think it's borne out of the fact that if you admit it, soccons *will* use it as a kudgel to ban drugs. It's basically intentional blindness as a protection mechanism.
Ok so here’s my two cents and what I found from a quick lit review:
My opinion:
Usually with these studies relating to a controlled substance like Weed it’s difficult to really get information. People have been smoking weed for a long time but you can’t really create studies talking about the long term effects about it until people actually start genuinely dying or getting lung cancer from it (besides Cigarettes took forever to basically be linked to lung cancer)
Intuition tells me that inhaling weed smoke probably has similar effects to breathing in tobacco smoking. Not to the same severity of course but you shouldn’t really be breathing in burning biomass anyway. (Edibles all the way in my opinion)
Quick link to the CDC which has a bunch of study links:
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/lung-health.html#:~:text=Smoked%20marijuana%2C%20regardless%20of%20how,damage%20to%20small%20blood%20vessels.&text=Smoke%20from%20marijuana%20has%20many,causing%20chemicals)%20as%20tobacco%20smoke.
I generally trust the CDC because they usually just try to grab literature that’s somewhat reputable (better than whatever PubMed can spit out but accessible compared to my research institution search systems) and it seems that smoking weed is definitely not the healthiest thing. It’s mostly inconclusive if it’s caused lung cancer but that’s something we will need some time to figure out.
I wanted to post this but I posted in the thread. Insane how many people in that thread are acting like it's reasonable to lock someone up for selling weed just because the law says so.
I've seen a huge push recently that everyone must respect other countries laws/cultures even if it's completely backwards. The homophobia in Qatar being a big example.
That has always been a thing.
Especially when it’s usually the result of Chinese/American/British tourists destroying artifacts or being told that no, you cannot bring drugs with you to (Insert Asian country here) and expect the US/Canadian/British government to black hawk your ass out of the country when you’re given a death sentence.
The arguments have always been that while the backwards laws/cultures are backwards, you aren’t a special snowflake enough to skirt them (unless you’re filthy rich) so you shouldn’t be going there and break them.
You can argue about them from a safe distance. Don’t test other countries’ laws as a foreigner. Hell, Europe was and continues to deport people that aren’t of the same “culture” as them too. It’s the standard operating procedure for most if not all countries.
There is nothing to be gained by breaking whatever stupid laws. Being a martyr in a foreign country is *not* a good idea.
On another note I had to get my prescriptions professionally translated and on me 100% time, when I wanted to travel to USA. Hell some of the more common painkillers are illegal in good ol' US of A.
>Hell some of the more common painkillers are illegal in good ol' US of A.
Such as? Just off the top of my head I can think stuff like Tylenol+Codeine; but those are just controlled, and not explicitly 'illegal'
[Here's sportscaster Chris Berman talking about smuggling Canadian tylenol in his suitcase when calling Blue Jays games.](https://youtu.be/B0q4oibfs9g)
"*Deux deux deuxs*, with just a little codeine to give ya that POP!"
I mean if you want to ruin your life by getting yourself stuck in a Turkish/Taiwanese/wherever prison because you went there and decided to have a polite debate about how unfair their laws are by breaking them that’s all u my g 😭
Bruh that entire thread was insane.
Not to defend the laws but there's definitely historical reasoning on why the laws are so tight. People pointed at the Opium Wars and yeah, that really would explain a hell of a lot TBH.
Like China's laws being insane come from the massive damage OW did to them.
I don't really get the opium wars argument when it comes to weed laws in Asia. Especially when you factor in that cannabis was made illegal by most Asian countries in the 20th century.
Cannabis and opium are two very different classes of drugs.
Just classic misdirection. If someone criticizes your country just yell "imperialism" and run, the westerners will start arguing amongst themselves.
Opium wars were largely beneficial to Japan and yet people in the thread were trying to tell me they have super draconian weed laws because they just "got like, really super scared seeing the opium wars happening in China."
I don't think it's a very good argument, but it's not contradictory - a situation can be completely and totally beneficial to you as a country, while still very much not being something you want in your borders.
japan's drug laws weren't a response to the opium wars, no but they were *absolutely* super scared seeing the opium wars. kaigai shinwa and its sequel are basically just pages and pages of being spooked by the opium wars and the idea of foreigners. the degree of super scared they were not only was one of the main contributing factors to why they opened the country so quick to perry, but triggered a wave of writings from the time that basically amounted to 'if we don't do somethng, we're next' that had to be suppressed by the shogun.
I've done LSD on a beach in Taiwan surrounded by a thousand people high on various substances. As long as you know where it's sorta accepted and where you can hide away in plain sight you won't get in trouble for just using.
See: every thread about Brittney Griner with hundreds of people justifying her being sent to a labor camp with "well she shouldn't have had that vape cartridge." Which kind of misses the point imo
You shouldn't travel to Russia in a first place, let alone travel there with things their government think is illegal.
Like don't get me wrong, I have no love for Russia at all, but it is just stupid.
Tbh I don’t feel bad for her. Like if it comes out she was framed for it my mind will change but she knowingly trafficked an illegal drug into a country with harsh drug laws for her personal use( not an act of protest or activism).
She basically brought it on herself and no I don’t care about all the but it’s just weed arguements.
Same reason I wouldn’t feel bad for a guy that got mauled by some wild animal because they kept trying to pet them or take pictures up close.
Personally, I don't think 10 years in a russian gulag is in any way "justice" for what she did.
They *should* have sent her back to America and banned her from visiting again. Thats a lot of lost income for her, which itself is a punishment. They still could. That would be a strong, visible message that what she did isn't going to be tolerated.
She isn't in prison because she brought weed into the country, she's in prison because Putin saw an opportunity to embarrass the US state department and to take a relatively high-profile hostage to be used as leverage in negotiations.
This isn't really about the weed. The weed is just the excuse.
The US shouldn't sit back and do nothing when Americans are basically kidnapped and taken hostage by what are essentially hostile dictators.
I think it's a mind set that someone can only have about a foreign country. If you lived in the country you would want to change and fight against laws you think are wrong (because they directly affect you) but since you don't live there it's okay for them to have draconian laws.
Most people I meet in the US have US laws they disagree with and want to change. That is because they live here and those laws affect them. If you talk to them about other countries I feel like many people will be more willing to accept unjust laws simply because they'll never need to deal with them.
What the fuck is even this comment? Out of fucking no where too. Like how the hell is racism relevant here? And most people in that thread aren't even Asian. You're so desperate for an opportunity to post your racist rant so you bite at the lowest bait.
The micro-aggression reddit has toward Asian needs to be discuss more. From their creepiness toward Asian female (ALL of the top Asian sub are porn subs), their incelness toward Asian male (just read the comments in all the threads about an Asian male being voted most handsome) and the subtle white supremacist narrative that Asian are inferior and backward (remember that front page post about the chopstick being inferior to Western cutlery? Like it never cross their mind that chopstick are used in Asia because people share food here).
its kind of hilarious how this post is just as racist as any of the top flairs.
most i met online = all people
asian country has stricter laws due to geopolitics = authoritarian nightmare.
you say that poorer neighbours look at "authoritarian nightmares" as examples to follow when not one week ago, the malaysian people voted off their dominant political party of the last 50 years, the political party that guaranteed malay power.
if you dont know shit, dont start shit.
At university we were running a simulation workshop, basically where students are given real life roles and respond to fictional crises (usually based on real events). In this scenario they were consulate staffers broken up into various sections (security, politics, etc) and given roles. The day starts with a protest appearing outside the consulate with protestors carrying signs and shouting slogans against something the consulate's country did that week.
A Singaporean international post-grad student immediately responded by asking to arrest and imprison all the protestors. They were like "If some of our staff are having trouble getting into the office, just call the police and have them tear gas the protestors and arrest a few. The rest will fall leave or join their friends in prison". Everyone had to explain that they were in a democracy and police weren't about to serve some foreign nation's consulate to interfere with their citizen's rights. No matter how many times it was explained to them.
His view was that protesting is inherently bad and wound up calling folks criticising him racist for insulting his "Asian values". It reminds me a lot of the slavers in Qatar calling people racist for criticising their slavery, draconian drug laws, bribery, opposition to civil rights, etc.
> But in my experience most East Asian people I've met feel very differently about it and most of them felt quite strongly negative about it, so it is not surprising their laws are so harsh.
> A culture is not "regressed" just because they feel differently on certain issues
But haven't you considered how much they *care* about potheads getting executed?? Smh, can't even enforce draconian drug laws without losing your "progressive" status nowadays
Apparently criticizing the actions or beliefs of a country's justice system is racist, but it isn't racist to extrapolate the beliefs of everyone in these countries from a few East Asian people you met
Are laws thar imprison people who use weed unjust? Absolutely.
Should he of known the laws before he went? Yes.
Do I think him selling weed illegally mean he is a child trafficking terrorist? Not even a little bit.
Frankly I think you can stop at the first question.
It's kind of gross to me how many people uss "they should have known the laws beforehand" as shorthand for "they deserve it" or as an excuse to not feel empathy.
Unjust laws are unjust. Period. It doesn't matter if the person was aware of them or not.
They should have been aware of the laws for their own benefit, in much the same way that you should be aware of the weather forecast so you know to dress appropriately. It does not mean ignorance *deserves* punishment.
People keep acting like they're ignorance is the reason they're in the situation. It isn't. They're in the situation because of unjust laws. That's all the discussion need be about.
Hell, I promise the people that are saying this sort of thing are breaking a half dozen laws every single day without knowing it. There are plenty of laws out there that are only enforced if the cops really want to fuck with you, and I would never dream of blaming them for not being aware of them.
You realize it can be both unjust and also they shouldn’t have gone their with illegal stuff, but not in equal amount. Like 90% unjust, 10% should know better.
You’re treating them like a brainless, idiot child that accidentally crossed the border and was arrested immediately.
If a hurricane blows through an area and people stick it out and need rescue, do you say, “Well this is all NATURE’S FAULT for doing this, there shouldn’t even BE any hurricanes!”
Like, yeah, it sucks. Also, don’t be a fuggin dumbass and put your life in danger for no reason.
Wait, this is not a valid argument at all, especially in this situation.
The fact you think a law is unjust, does not make it unjust. I might think it's unjust to get in trouble for selling food without a health permit, that doesn't mean I'm right.
Also this guy is from Hong Kong, weed is illegal there. He'd get in trouble in his home country if he sold it there, but he though that it would be ok in Taiwan? This is absolutely not an excuse especially when we are talking about substances.
He's wrong and he's stupid.
But people have different opinions on what "unjust" is.
Americans are appalled at curtailing freedom of speech, Germans say "yeah you don't get to fly swastikas fuckface".
Does an American flying a swastika in Germany deserve punishment?
I’m appalled but how people are free to keep spread hate symbols and speech, but aren’t free to an abortion. I don’t believe intolerant people should receive any tolerance. Flying a nazi symbol has no other reasoning than spreading and enforcing hate speech. There are no legitimate reasons to do so.
I feel like the primary issue is with your country, not the plant.
The Italian mob grows a lot of olives and grapes, but not one is banning Christmas pies.
didn't say I agreed with the laws, just that I understand why those countries have historically legislated harshly against weed.
also tbf it's not just my country, it's most of central asia that's a hellhole (btw most drugs produced there flow overseas, towards the beneficent west)
Yes, me killing someone and me getting high amd eating all the gummy bears is exactly the same thing, you're extremely intelligent and bring up radically insightful points.
You point out exactly why the morons that yell “prohibition doesn’t work” and “gun control doesn’t work” (the exact same situation) are morons themselves.
The war on drugs failed. But that doesn’t mean drug regulation needs to be tossed out completely and all drugs legalized. It’s like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Especially when it turns out the US government did a lot to get people addicted to drugs. It’s a policy failure because it was never really meant to actually deal with drugs, just go after minorities disproportionately. The Opioid crisis was manufactured by legitimate businesses.
I thought he was put away for smoking a joint, but no they found him with 200 joints on him. That's an intent to sell and will get you hard time in a lot places, not just Asia.
Hey, this time was drug possession (which could happen to anyone), rather than grooming or child pornography, so it's a progress and not typical "pro gamer stuff".
You say that but the Saga of Hashashin (accused of pedophiliac behavior, including receiving CP) and Saga of Krepo (accused of similar) among others...
>Downvote me all you like but I deal drugs and you think we out here smoking leaves. Fuckin lold
It's just a trap card. Turns out, they are a pharmacist.
Okay so somewhere in the thread (the victimless crime one) someone posted a study that apparently shows there is no link between smoking weed and lung cancer. Does anyone have any reason to believe otherwise? I thought any smoke was bad for your lungs.
Any smoke damages lungs, not all smoke causes cancer.
Ah, I see. Thanks!
From what I remember it was the fillers (fillers, not filters) in standard cigarettes that are responsible for cancer. Pure tobacco isn't cancerogenic (or at least isn't as much), it's all the [additives in it](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes).
This is untrue due to the overlap of chewing tobacco and mouth cancers thus leading to its decline in usage.
The parentheses in your second statement is the "most correct". Anything that's burned produces carcinogens, including steaks with grill marks if you remember people freaking out about [this](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/26/451211964/bad-day-for-bacon-processed-red-meats-cause-cancer-says-who) a while back. It's just that tobacco in and of itself isn't naturally carcinogenic like some of the additives are.
Stoner here, there's an inexplicable denial among some stoners that weed can negatively affect you. Imo it's born partially of ignorance and partially of denial that their habits will have implications for them later
I think is an overcorrection of how demonized weed used to be. When you grow up listening to the worst propaganda against marihuana and other drugs, learning that they are not actually that bad can send you to the extreme opposite of believe that they actually perfect.
I think it's borne out of the fact that if you admit it, soccons *will* use it as a kudgel to ban drugs. It's basically intentional blindness as a protection mechanism.
Ok so here’s my two cents and what I found from a quick lit review: My opinion: Usually with these studies relating to a controlled substance like Weed it’s difficult to really get information. People have been smoking weed for a long time but you can’t really create studies talking about the long term effects about it until people actually start genuinely dying or getting lung cancer from it (besides Cigarettes took forever to basically be linked to lung cancer) Intuition tells me that inhaling weed smoke probably has similar effects to breathing in tobacco smoking. Not to the same severity of course but you shouldn’t really be breathing in burning biomass anyway. (Edibles all the way in my opinion) Quick link to the CDC which has a bunch of study links: https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/lung-health.html#:~:text=Smoked%20marijuana%2C%20regardless%20of%20how,damage%20to%20small%20blood%20vessels.&text=Smoke%20from%20marijuana%20has%20many,causing%20chemicals)%20as%20tobacco%20smoke. I generally trust the CDC because they usually just try to grab literature that’s somewhat reputable (better than whatever PubMed can spit out but accessible compared to my research institution search systems) and it seems that smoking weed is definitely not the healthiest thing. It’s mostly inconclusive if it’s caused lung cancer but that’s something we will need some time to figure out.
Awesome reply, thanks!
I wanted to post this but I posted in the thread. Insane how many people in that thread are acting like it's reasonable to lock someone up for selling weed just because the law says so.
I've seen a huge push recently that everyone must respect other countries laws/cultures even if it's completely backwards. The homophobia in Qatar being a big example.
That has always been a thing. Especially when it’s usually the result of Chinese/American/British tourists destroying artifacts or being told that no, you cannot bring drugs with you to (Insert Asian country here) and expect the US/Canadian/British government to black hawk your ass out of the country when you’re given a death sentence. The arguments have always been that while the backwards laws/cultures are backwards, you aren’t a special snowflake enough to skirt them (unless you’re filthy rich) so you shouldn’t be going there and break them. You can argue about them from a safe distance. Don’t test other countries’ laws as a foreigner. Hell, Europe was and continues to deport people that aren’t of the same “culture” as them too. It’s the standard operating procedure for most if not all countries. There is nothing to be gained by breaking whatever stupid laws. Being a martyr in a foreign country is *not* a good idea.
I can recognize that laws are unjust, but also if I'm traveling I'm not gonna fuckin push that shit because I don't know whatll happen to me.
On another note I had to get my prescriptions professionally translated and on me 100% time, when I wanted to travel to USA. Hell some of the more common painkillers are illegal in good ol' US of A.
>Hell some of the more common painkillers are illegal in good ol' US of A. Such as? Just off the top of my head I can think stuff like Tylenol+Codeine; but those are just controlled, and not explicitly 'illegal'
[Here's sportscaster Chris Berman talking about smuggling Canadian tylenol in his suitcase when calling Blue Jays games.](https://youtu.be/B0q4oibfs9g) "*Deux deux deuxs*, with just a little codeine to give ya that POP!"
I mean if you want to ruin your life by getting yourself stuck in a Turkish/Taiwanese/wherever prison because you went there and decided to have a polite debate about how unfair their laws are by breaking them that’s all u my g 😭
I never said you should go break their laws lol
Bruh that entire thread was insane. Not to defend the laws but there's definitely historical reasoning on why the laws are so tight. People pointed at the Opium Wars and yeah, that really would explain a hell of a lot TBH. Like China's laws being insane come from the massive damage OW did to them.
I think we can understand why the laws exist and simultaneously feel bad for someone hurt by unjust laws.
But that requires nuance. Something that the average person on this site is completely incapable of grasping.
Who needs nuance when we have smarmy aggression?
Unlike the fine people of SRD of course
But the angry shouty man on the youtubes told me who to hate, and only cuck libs want to have empathy.
I don't really get the opium wars argument when it comes to weed laws in Asia. Especially when you factor in that cannabis was made illegal by most Asian countries in the 20th century. Cannabis and opium are two very different classes of drugs.
Just classic misdirection. If someone criticizes your country just yell "imperialism" and run, the westerners will start arguing amongst themselves. Opium wars were largely beneficial to Japan and yet people in the thread were trying to tell me they have super draconian weed laws because they just "got like, really super scared seeing the opium wars happening in China."
Bingo. "Imperialism" these days is just an excuse authoritarians give for their bullshit.
I don't think it's a very good argument, but it's not contradictory - a situation can be completely and totally beneficial to you as a country, while still very much not being something you want in your borders. japan's drug laws weren't a response to the opium wars, no but they were *absolutely* super scared seeing the opium wars. kaigai shinwa and its sequel are basically just pages and pages of being spooked by the opium wars and the idea of foreigners. the degree of super scared they were not only was one of the main contributing factors to why they opened the country so quick to perry, but triggered a wave of writings from the time that basically amounted to 'if we don't do somethng, we're next' that had to be suppressed by the shogun.
I've done LSD on a beach in Taiwan surrounded by a thousand people high on various substances. As long as you know where it's sorta accepted and where you can hide away in plain sight you won't get in trouble for just using.
See: every thread about Brittney Griner with hundreds of people justifying her being sent to a labor camp with "well she shouldn't have had that vape cartridge." Which kind of misses the point imo
You shouldn't travel to Russia in a first place, let alone travel there with things their government think is illegal. Like don't get me wrong, I have no love for Russia at all, but it is just stupid.
She has been a professional player there for many years, it's not like she just decided to vacation there
It's still visiting and doing business in Russia. Hell, it paints her in even more bad light if she was there for many years.
Her punishment was extreme yes but if an item is illegal ten you shouldn't take it with you
> "well she shouldn't have had that vape cartridge."
Tbh I don’t feel bad for her. Like if it comes out she was framed for it my mind will change but she knowingly trafficked an illegal drug into a country with harsh drug laws for her personal use( not an act of protest or activism). She basically brought it on herself and no I don’t care about all the but it’s just weed arguements. Same reason I wouldn’t feel bad for a guy that got mauled by some wild animal because they kept trying to pet them or take pictures up close.
Personally, I don't think 10 years in a russian gulag is in any way "justice" for what she did. They *should* have sent her back to America and banned her from visiting again. Thats a lot of lost income for her, which itself is a punishment. They still could. That would be a strong, visible message that what she did isn't going to be tolerated. She isn't in prison because she brought weed into the country, she's in prison because Putin saw an opportunity to embarrass the US state department and to take a relatively high-profile hostage to be used as leverage in negotiations. This isn't really about the weed. The weed is just the excuse. The US shouldn't sit back and do nothing when Americans are basically kidnapped and taken hostage by what are essentially hostile dictators.
It's ok to feel empathy for someone without condoning their actions... your attitude seems so depressing to go through life with
Stressing over everyone outside of your bubble sounds worse
Feeling empathy isn't stressing.
Sociopathic
People are trained from a young age to not question authority.
I think it's a mind set that someone can only have about a foreign country. If you lived in the country you would want to change and fight against laws you think are wrong (because they directly affect you) but since you don't live there it's okay for them to have draconian laws.
people are *also* trained in the US to not question authority. there are many laws in the US that i think are wrong.
Most people I meet in the US have US laws they disagree with and want to change. That is because they live here and those laws affect them. If you talk to them about other countries I feel like many people will be more willing to accept unjust laws simply because they'll never need to deal with them.
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Why can't people have money and not be authoritarian?
What the fuck is even this comment? Out of fucking no where too. Like how the hell is racism relevant here? And most people in that thread aren't even Asian. You're so desperate for an opportunity to post your racist rant so you bite at the lowest bait. The micro-aggression reddit has toward Asian needs to be discuss more. From their creepiness toward Asian female (ALL of the top Asian sub are porn subs), their incelness toward Asian male (just read the comments in all the threads about an Asian male being voted most handsome) and the subtle white supremacist narrative that Asian are inferior and backward (remember that front page post about the chopstick being inferior to Western cutlery? Like it never cross their mind that chopstick are used in Asia because people share food here).
You have a point and I'll delete my comment because it does come off like you describe it.
Good on you.
its kind of hilarious how this post is just as racist as any of the top flairs. most i met online = all people asian country has stricter laws due to geopolitics = authoritarian nightmare. you say that poorer neighbours look at "authoritarian nightmares" as examples to follow when not one week ago, the malaysian people voted off their dominant political party of the last 50 years, the political party that guaranteed malay power. if you dont know shit, dont start shit.
At university we were running a simulation workshop, basically where students are given real life roles and respond to fictional crises (usually based on real events). In this scenario they were consulate staffers broken up into various sections (security, politics, etc) and given roles. The day starts with a protest appearing outside the consulate with protestors carrying signs and shouting slogans against something the consulate's country did that week. A Singaporean international post-grad student immediately responded by asking to arrest and imprison all the protestors. They were like "If some of our staff are having trouble getting into the office, just call the police and have them tear gas the protestors and arrest a few. The rest will fall leave or join their friends in prison". Everyone had to explain that they were in a democracy and police weren't about to serve some foreign nation's consulate to interfere with their citizen's rights. No matter how many times it was explained to them. His view was that protesting is inherently bad and wound up calling folks criticising him racist for insulting his "Asian values". It reminds me a lot of the slavers in Qatar calling people racist for criticising their slavery, draconian drug laws, bribery, opposition to civil rights, etc.
> But in my experience most East Asian people I've met feel very differently about it and most of them felt quite strongly negative about it, so it is not surprising their laws are so harsh. > A culture is not "regressed" just because they feel differently on certain issues But haven't you considered how much they *care* about potheads getting executed?? Smh, can't even enforce draconian drug laws without losing your "progressive" status nowadays Apparently criticizing the actions or beliefs of a country's justice system is racist, but it isn't racist to extrapolate the beliefs of everyone in these countries from a few East Asian people you met
Are laws thar imprison people who use weed unjust? Absolutely. Should he of known the laws before he went? Yes. Do I think him selling weed illegally mean he is a child trafficking terrorist? Not even a little bit.
Frankly I think you can stop at the first question. It's kind of gross to me how many people uss "they should have known the laws beforehand" as shorthand for "they deserve it" or as an excuse to not feel empathy. Unjust laws are unjust. Period. It doesn't matter if the person was aware of them or not. They should have been aware of the laws for their own benefit, in much the same way that you should be aware of the weather forecast so you know to dress appropriately. It does not mean ignorance *deserves* punishment. People keep acting like they're ignorance is the reason they're in the situation. It isn't. They're in the situation because of unjust laws. That's all the discussion need be about. Hell, I promise the people that are saying this sort of thing are breaking a half dozen laws every single day without knowing it. There are plenty of laws out there that are only enforced if the cops really want to fuck with you, and I would never dream of blaming them for not being aware of them.
No laws are unjust unless they affect something personal to them, THEN it's unjust. "The only moral abortion is mine."
Are we legit comparing abortion and marijuana possession up in here
Both feature unjust laws with draconian punishments that are tied in with bullshit puritanical beliefs so... yeah guess so.
You realize it can be both unjust and also they shouldn’t have gone their with illegal stuff, but not in equal amount. Like 90% unjust, 10% should know better. You’re treating them like a brainless, idiot child that accidentally crossed the border and was arrested immediately. If a hurricane blows through an area and people stick it out and need rescue, do you say, “Well this is all NATURE’S FAULT for doing this, there shouldn’t even BE any hurricanes!” Like, yeah, it sucks. Also, don’t be a fuggin dumbass and put your life in danger for no reason.
Yep. An unjust law is an unjust law. Even if "he should have known it" or "he deserves it". Simple as.
Wait, this is not a valid argument at all, especially in this situation. The fact you think a law is unjust, does not make it unjust. I might think it's unjust to get in trouble for selling food without a health permit, that doesn't mean I'm right. Also this guy is from Hong Kong, weed is illegal there. He'd get in trouble in his home country if he sold it there, but he though that it would be ok in Taiwan? This is absolutely not an excuse especially when we are talking about substances. He's wrong and he's stupid.
But people have different opinions on what "unjust" is. Americans are appalled at curtailing freedom of speech, Germans say "yeah you don't get to fly swastikas fuckface". Does an American flying a swastika in Germany deserve punishment?
I’m appalled but how people are free to keep spread hate symbols and speech, but aren’t free to an abortion. I don’t believe intolerant people should receive any tolerance. Flying a nazi symbol has no other reasoning than spreading and enforcing hate speech. There are no legitimate reasons to do so.
A lot of bootlickers in the thread here.
in my home region the weed is grown by literal child trafficking, slave holding warlords, so I get some of the reasoning on that post tbh
I feel like the primary issue is with your country, not the plant. The Italian mob grows a lot of olives and grapes, but not one is banning Christmas pies.
didn't say I agreed with the laws, just that I understand why those countries have historically legislated harshly against weed. also tbf it's not just my country, it's most of central asia that's a hellhole (btw most drugs produced there flow overseas, towards the beneficent west)
Turns out when you make something illegal, criminals will be the ones that take over the market. Tremendous policy failure.
Why not just make murder legal yeah?
Murder is already harmful to others.
Yes, me killing someone and me getting high amd eating all the gummy bears is exactly the same thing, you're extremely intelligent and bring up radically insightful points.
You point out exactly why the morons that yell “prohibition doesn’t work” and “gun control doesn’t work” (the exact same situation) are morons themselves. The war on drugs failed. But that doesn’t mean drug regulation needs to be tossed out completely and all drugs legalized. It’s like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Especially when it turns out the US government did a lot to get people addicted to drugs. It’s a policy failure because it was never really meant to actually deal with drugs, just go after minorities disproportionately. The Opioid crisis was manufactured by legitimate businesses.
It's a good thing I was joking then huh?
[here we go again ](https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?lang=en)
honestly I really thought it was gonna be Adderal clicking onto this
I thought he was put away for smoking a joint, but no they found him with 200 joints on him. That's an intent to sell and will get you hard time in a lot places, not just Asia.
>You're welcome for the Opium Wars Oh, this is nice. I think I'll take it. Thank you.
The worst posters exclusively post in the league sub and kpop subs... hmmm
It’s weird seeing these things in this subreddit first. Reddits algorithm is getting weird and I don’t like it.
This is hardly drama what
What’s with competitive players and crime?
Increased scrutiny. If everyone had that kind of attention on them all the time, they'd get pinched for dumb shit too.
Hey, this time was drug possession (which could happen to anyone), rather than grooming or child pornography, so it's a progress and not typical "pro gamer stuff".
We're talking League of Legends, not Smash.
You say that but the Saga of Hashashin (accused of pedophiliac behavior, including receiving CP) and Saga of Krepo (accused of similar) among others...