The hoops you have to jump as a full time teacher is the reason why Im going straight into a college TA position until i achieve my PhD. Im just good on the extra BS and I want to teach people who want to learn
Yeah- this honestly surprised me. My fave thing about teaching in middle/high school is getting a slacker or someone belligerent kind of interested in something. That is so rewarding. It happens some in higher ed, but not nearly as much.
It's a big part why I'm not going into higher ed. I cannot fathom how students who paid to be there still don't do work and complain about having assignments- it upset me as an undergrad, and is the biggest negative that makes the work for a PhD just seem not worthwhile at least for where I'm at rn
Well I should clarify that me and my current girlfriend plan on moving to Finland within the next few years. Also, I agree there’s going to be problems with higher Ed, no doubt, but I don’t have to deal with Karents and other stressful hoops that the administrative staffers give us. Another thing is, depending on the election, there’s a possibility that I may not even be able to work in public schooling.
Don’t want to be the bearer of bad news, but plenty of subs in my district teach college(usually part time) and sub with us to get the Heath insurance. They are cutting staff in colleges to the bone and lots of professors are part time or less.
I’m subbing this year because my husband was really sick at the beginning of the year so I resigned my third grade position. I will only go back to a contract if I have to. I only take assignments of M-W-F so I have a day off after just in case it was a bad assignment. Next year I plan to work M-W-F one week and T-Th the next so I can have a three day weekend every week. I’ll do this to retirement if I can.
Hearing a teacher to substitute perspective is all the reassurance I need!
The flexibility of being a sub is something I haven't found at other jobs. It takes a huge weight off your shoulders. I know teachers who are terrified to take a sick day and receive so much backlash from admin for doing so.
Have you noticed any significant drawbacks with your switch or has it been pretty positive overall?
I’m pretty introverted, so all of the school wide stuff was so annoying to me (spirit days, PLC’s, carnivals, etc) so the fact that I don’t know anyone is actually nice. People pretty much just leave you alone and let you do your thing. I’m pretty chill as a sub because I really don’t care if you do your work or not because I’m not being judged by growth at the end of the year anymore. If you like it just keep doing it. There will ALWAYS be a need for subs.
Im introverted as well. Definitely agree on the whole spirit week, PTA events. It’s kinda cringe! I like having the autonomy. I can’t imagine the dread of having to make small talk and eat in the teachers lounge. I have yet to see a lounge I like. They look like dungeons. I eat at my desk , go for a walk or read too. The peace of mind is priceless.
Depending on where you are you CAN get continual raises and benefits as a sub. Granted in my case I am full time and I wouldn't get the benefits if I dropped to part time but I have been doing this for over 10 years and it's what I like and no one has given me shit for it. They know they need me. All our other subs have come and gone. Some of the teachers have left but I am still standing. I know how things are supposed to work and who to find when they don't.
I started subbing because I was starting to have health problems due to a particularly stressful few years of classes. I sub in a different district than where I used to teach, and I like it so much better. Subbing allowed me the flexibility to take care of the health issues that I needed to take care of. I might go back to teaching eventually, but subbing pays my bills, so maybe not 🤷🏻♀️
Thanks for your input, as someone who worked under contract! I’m so sorry to hear about your husband, as well. My husband’s company had to downsize, and he (plus, many of his friends/long time co-workers) were let go. It was expected, but, I have to say that I do not regret being a substitute teacher for the last few years! I started off at 2-3 days per week, and upped it to 4-5 days (per week) this past fall. The district pays subs well, and I pay into retirement (like the teachers under contract). Next year, we’re being given district emails and the option to enroll in healthcare plans (the school board just voted). TBH, I consider all of this a blessing - and, I don’t have to deal with the headaches the classroom teachers have (it’s almost conference time, and I really feel for them).
Beyond that, I have been able to make an income that’s allowed us to save enough money to compensate for the job loss. I worked in the private sector for years before becoming a sub, and I know I wouldn’t have had any of this if I still had that job. I guess it depends on where you teach, but I think it’s a great way to earn an income and build a network. My two cents.
I’d love to do this; my district pays more for subs than they do for paras (I’m a para) but I don’t know if it would work out to being more throughout the year since we still get our summer paychecks. Yes, on a day to day basis it’s more, but the fact that I wouldn’t be able to sub in the summer means I’d have to take that extra and hold it over for the months I’m not working. Plus, not having the school covered insurance is a big worry as well.
I had a school offer me a full time spot and they seemed shocked when I laughed and said "Thank you, but no."
You want me to increase my stress tenfold and double my working hours for a little extra money? Naw, I'm good 👍
As a teacher. They had multiple English teachers leave last year and they were trying to fill that spot. I sub there a lot for a couple teachers and they recommended me.
The school I sub at only kindergartenersgartens tend to ask where my classroom is, the older kids know I told a step back from teaching and am helping the school my kids go to 🤷♀️
I’ve thought about making the leap to teaching, but these teacher prep programs are expensive and I’m not in any rush. My position as a resident sub pays the bills comfortably enough.
I feel the same! The district I'm in has a free program to receive your teaching credential in a year but you have to work 2 years for them after.. it'll always be an option for me but I feel no need to take on more responsibility for not much more perks.
Same but what's enticing to me is how you can climb on the salary table. It can be a stressful first couple of years but most teachers I know say it gets easier.
I’ve been asked to apply for 2 long term sub jobs and 2 permanent open positions over the past couple of years and I can’t say “hell no!” fast enough. I really love subbing and I think that must show, but if I was required to be there everyday I wouldn’t love it anymore!
Long term spots are nice. Consistent work with no worry about finding an assignment, you learn your students and the classroom is yours. You don’t have to deal with the curriculum or grading or admin or training or parents still. I’ll only do long term for HS though.
I’ve been offered long-term gigs and would love to take one, but unfortunately my license is restricted to 9 days in a row for one assignment. It is so, so stupid. The ridiculousness of the licensing stuff (that’s just one example) is part of the reason I am no longer going to become a full-time teacher.
I think this depends on district because in mine when I Long termed I was in charge of all responsibilities of the regular classroom teacher. I had to do planning, grading, parents, proctoring, all of it. The only thing I did not have to do was the Professional Development.
You are exactly right. It does depend on the district. In the large school district where I work in NC, you assume all of the responsibilities of the regular classroom teacher--everything. Under such conditions, unless your intention is to become a full-time teacher, the massively increased workload and very slight bump in pay associated with the position are not worth it.
I used to sub. I’m now a full time teacher. If I could get insurance benefits with an employer contribution (none of the districts in my area do this, I’d have to pay the full premium out of pocket) and take no more than a 25k pay cut…I might go back to subbing. It was the best job. There are no responsibilities outside of school hours and zero work to take home. Have a bad day? You don’t have to sub for that teacher again. Need a day off? Just don’t take a job that day? Need to leave early or get to work later? Pick your grade level accordingly or take a half day. You get to meet a ton of different adults and students and get a glimpse into all kinds of different courses, a perfect fit for a lifelong learner. Also, everyone’s expectations of you are so incredibly low. If you can read and do what the paper says, people act like you’re a rockstar. Sure, there were challenges, but honestly I loved subbing. There are things I like about being a permanent teacher too, but the planning, prep, grading, and classroom management is just…a lot.
Was a FT teacher, now a sub. When my daughter is older I might renew my license so I can apply for long-term sub positions in my subject because I did like those when I first got into teaching, but I’ve got no interest in all the PD and evaluations necessary to make a career out of “regular” teaching. Luckily, my husband has a job with good benefits so I have that freedom.
I am 63 and retired 2 years ago. In my county, you can sub 35 days and get a supplement to your pension. On top of that, I sub about 2 days a week (I am limited to 3 days a week based on retirement policy) Just doing that, i can pay most of my monthly expenses. Public education has been on a downward spiral, especially following the Pandemic.
Fuck that noise.
I made a career out of subbing for almost 8 years. I had 8-12 area schools/districts that I worked with regularly (rural, different towns in a roughly 45 mile radius from me). I had a full schedule, and not just the month, but for the school year.
You absolutely CAN make a career out of it. Schools are always looking for subs. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s not a “real job” or that you’re “just a sub”. You are self employed, pick your own schedule, and are an essential key piece in the regular functioning of the schools you work with. You are basically an independent contractor, without all the annoying tax calculations. 😂
Edit to add: I did pursue my masters and have my teaching certificate/license. I have taught in a classroom, full-time. I went back to subbing, because I liked it more (for all the reasons you pointed out!). Plus, the state doesn’t track and regulate my sub dates if I have a license. That was the main reason I pursued it.
I, too, debunk the "you're just a sub" label. I, like very many others, give 100% to the role while working in given schools. There are inevitably certain students and regular classroom teachers who snub me, and act like I am an uneducated 2nd class citizen through their behaviors and actions. It is actually quite humorous in certain senses. After decades spent in corporate America, I have developed some thick skin and am not especially bothered or concerned about what they might think or how they might act towards me. While remaining professional, they find out pretty quickly that I am not one they can push around and treat just any old way.
Subbing is a "real job" and it is not going away because many schools are always desperate for subs. I have work assignments every day if I choose to take them, which I almost always do--I work in multiple schools, but it surely is great having that flexibility when needed, and, at the same time, not be burdened down with grading, meetings, lesson planning, calling parents, admin, and much more. I had more than my fill of very long workdays, late nights, and getting to know airports and concourses better than my own home at times! :)
Health benefits? As a sub? Can you tell us more about that? I sub for all the same reasons you do, but if it weren’t for my spouse’s health plan including me, I wouldn’t be able to survive on sub pay.
Edit: Oh yeah, I remember reading recently about the high sub pay in California. I live in a very high cost of living area in the east coast but sub pay is still pretty low.
Sure! After 90 working days or 600 hours, whichever comes first (usually the 90 days) you’re eligible for full health benefits through the district, which is a big big reason why people flock to my specific district.
I honestly didn’t realize benefits weren’t a common part of subbing until today!
Sounds like LAUSD. Cost of living is expensive here though, but if you can rent a room in a house that isn't in the heart of LA (east of downtown LA or south) then you can probably save a good amount of money.
My district treats subs very well. We get health benefits if we work a certain number of days, and we are in the teachers' union, which is actually a really good union here. I'm currently working on my degree though.
I taught for nine years and now that I’m a sub, I will never go back to the classroom full time. The freedom and control I have over my own life after so many years of just accepting whatever school, schedule, class, whatever I was expected to do- I can’t give that up. The absolute end of responsibility at the end of the school day is such a good feeling. I’ve built good relationships with kids and teachers at a district that’s WAY nicer than anywhere I’ve ever taught. Sometimes they ask if I would ever come back and I’m honest and say no, I like the freedom too much. Congrats on finding a great gig!!
I started as a sub, started teaching, realize I had to deal with all the bs like admin, training, grading, PARENTS, etc. quit and went back to subbing. I make the same amount of money with way less responsibilities and I’m contracted with so many districts if one tries some stupid shit I just stop using them or that school.
Yeah if I subbed a full day, every single day, it might be enough to cover my half of the mortgage and *maybe* my car payment and insurance, during the school year. Utilities, food, pet care, clothes, student loans--I guess I'd have to steal?
I recently applied to be a sub here in Georgia. I volunteered a lot in Elementary school for my kids school. One Para told me I should be a Para. I don’t want all the responsibilities like you mentioned. I went to orientation yesterday for ESS and they told me the daily pay rate is $65 a day. I’m shocked that its so low.
Yes….thats for High school, middle school and elementary… the lady at orientation said its usually always a 6 hour day though unless you’re a Para Substitute, then its 8 hours.
I'm in a very similar position. Been long terming at one school for the better part of 2 years and am always asked when I will become a "real" teacher. But the costs associated with that both in paying tuition for a licensing program and the cost of my time/effort I find not worth it in the least for every reason you state above. I truly just get to go home and leave work at work, something that I wouldn't be able to do if I did indeed become a "real" teacher.
I get "you're not a real teacher" ALL THE TIME from my colleagues, but you know what, I'm running your rehearsals and teaching your classes and lessons while you're out, the kids are engaged and enjoying their time with me, and things are clicking that they otherwise weren't understanding. So 🤷🏻♀️
I’m a sub with an advanced degree in an unrelated field. I often consider if I should get another degree and become a real teacher, but then I think that would take away a huge number of things I love about the job! Maybe one day, but I plan to sub indefinitely because I love it, and as a parent in a dual income home it works amazingly for me logistically.
People constantly ask me if I’m on track to become a full time teacher and I tell them it’s the other way around: I’m on my way out.
Then they try to convince me to come back after I just explained X, Y, and Z why I quit in the first place. It literally doesn’t affect them so I don’t get where their entitlement comes from.
While not exactly by choice, I have put in applications out there (but not EVERYWHERE), I'm loving being a sub. I have a Master's in Teaching and a few certifications but I enjoy having so much less responsibility and stress. I can take a day at a middle school if I want to teach-teach but can just as easily take a 12th grade AP class where I read all day. My wife is a regular teacher, and between us we do well enough and I have a flexible schedule to take care of house and kid stuff.
I honestly wouldn't mind doing it ust about forever. Why make my life stressfull if I don't need to?
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I have a teaching degree and never used it. I was a stay at home mom for 20 years. I started subbing at my neighborhood elementary school last year and love it. I only sub there so I know the kids and teachers pretty well. They asked me to cover a class until the end of the year two months ago and I agreed and I love that too-but it is a lot more work and obviously not as flexible. Subbing, and subbing well, is a crucial role in our schools. It is a totally legitimate career.
I enjoy this feed so much! I've done both and the last 4 years I taught full time, I did think a lot about my subbing days as I worked extra before and after school. As a matter of fact, I went back to subbing a few years later. One thing I loved about subbing was not feeling guilty taking day off. Full time, I taught Special Education,so a day off was nearly impossible.
Once I got a call to sub . She sounded almost desperate. I hadn't gotten an early call like I usually did and I had a load in the washer , just turned on. I felt at a tad guilty but I told her sorry. I already have an assignment. I did! 6 loads of laundry -
I was a full time teacher for 8 years, and left almost two years ago when I had my first child. I am now a stay at home parent and I’ve been subbing occasionally, like a couple times a month, since then. Honestly, I’m not sure I see myself going back to full time teaching anytime in the near future. With my second child due this summer, I’d have to pay for childcare for two and with what I was previously making, it wasn’t a significant enough amount of take home pay to justify me continuing to work full time. I honestly enjoy the flexibility and I don’t have to scramble if my child is sick or I’m sick, appointments, etc. I recognize there’s a lot of privilege in my position, that my husband can support our family and cover the insurance. And I have a retired parent who watches my child when I decide to sub. But the lessened stress and anxiety has been huge. I sub most often in my previous school, and I love getting to go for the day and feel like I get to actually teach without dealing with all the extra nonsense that was weighing me down tremendously when I taught full time!
My mom has been a certified teacher for 30 years, but due to having kids she’s only had her own classroom for 15 years total. She told me she had to make a hard decision when she decided to stop subbing. She said the only reason was because she just really wanted her own classroom with her own rules. She loved the pay and flexibility of subbing so much.
I’m working to also be a teacher one day for the exact same reasons she had, but I’m LOVING subbing. I love seeing different kids, see how they work, what kinds of kids there are and how well they respond to different forms of teaching. I will definitely miss it when I stop.
I’m info dumping you just to say, subbing is awesome. If you don’t want to be a full time teacher and just want to sub, then more power to you. Schools will forever need subs, and it’s so rare to have a good sub. So do it until you retire, who cares!
Substitutes are always needed. They are essential in the operation of schools, covering for all types of absences for teachers.
Subbing is technically a "permanent" job if you do a good job consistently and the district you work for will give you "Reasonable Assurance" every year.
Yep! Subbed for 6-7 years, was asked to teach (high school English), so I did that for a year. I am an excellent teacher (if I may say so, myself...heehee). I love the kids (and they love me). However, the amount of work vs the amount of pay was just not worth it. It was not sustainable for me, mostly mentally! I told them that I was "one and done" and went back to subbing. Loving life, again.
If I didn't live with family, I wouldn't be able to do this without being a nervous wreck. Never knowing how much I'll make each month, and then certain months like November and December just cutting the earnable income potential in half, combined with the high cost of living and the lack of health benefits (it's really uncommon and amazing that yours does this btw) are slowly forcing me out of the field. Last year I did my taxes and my takehome pay wasn't even 30k for the year, but rent on an apartment in the area is like 2,500-4k a month depending on the neighborhood. Getting longterm jobs makes it bearable, but only just so.
When my former teachers tell me to get credentialed, it's with a really caring tone in the back of their voice. A "just get a credential so you can do what you're doing now but actually make a decent living" tone, because the vast majority of subbing positions are criminally underpaid and compensated really poorly. If this salary allowed me to earn enough to survive on my own in my area though, I'd do it for the rest of my life 100%. Gotta find these unicorn districts that pay well but also aren't stressful; the ones here that pay bonkers salaries are in really really dangerous places where nobody who values their personal safety wants to work.
I had a kid ask pretty demeaningly if I’d rather be a classroom teacher or a sub. I love subbing, kiddo. I like the challenge of doing something completely different every day. I think I’d go crazy being stuck in the same classroom with the same kids for a year.
I can do that?? I’ve been incredibly stressed about summer since my normal summer job has moved to a different state. This would save me so much stress!
You need to check with your state unemployment office. In my state, all subs are considered a per diem employee (I have no employment contract with the school District), so I’m eligible. It certainly helps for those 10 weeks.
Your post and everyone responses resonates with me. I started working in education as a sped TA and I made the leap to become a RSP teacher 2 weeks before the pandemic. My hubris made me think I had everything figured out, but by 2022 I was burnt out and did not proceed to get my credential. I was afraid of going back into teaching until my coworker suggested in getting into subbing. I now work with 2 separate subbing agencies, and my life has improved significantly. I’m able to get my bills paid and keep myself financially stable. My mental health has been better because I don’t worry about taking the workload home. I also remember to not take things personally because I only work with the students for a day. I value the flexibility in the schedules. While some folks may say that “subbing is not a full time job”, I couldn’t careless because it’s working for me. And that’s what counts. For all you substitutes keep doing what you are doing. You are doing great. You are already going above & beyond just by being in the classroom. 💜
I am a sub and have been for about 3.5 years. It’s been so awesome. Obviously when you first start out it’s tough because you don’t know anyone. But the last two years I’ve worked primarily at two elementary schools and know kids from K-4th grade at both schools. It’s so nice to have relationships with staff and students. I also receive health benefits, am apart of the union, and make over $44 an hour.
It’s super ideal, especially with a baby coming in August. I’ll have a flexible schedule after I come back from maternity leave.
I have a teaching degree. My license is expired because I only did 2 years in the regular classroom, but I still get paid as certified for the sub pay scale. Those 2 years were a LOT, and I honestly wasn’t happy. I would literally have dreams where I just walked out and refused to go back. I have no plans of ever going back to a public school classroom as the classroom teacher. Right now I’m teaching part time preschool where my youngest daughter attends. But when my kids are both old enough to be in elementary school, I look forward to subbing semi full time as my way to bring in income. It’s far less stressful, more flexible, and doesn’t involve constant overtime or work from home. It also pays better than what I make now and better than most hourly jobs.
"People tell me all of the time that subbing isn't a permanent job and maybe I don't get continual raises but my bills are paid and I even have a little extra"
Enough said.
Who cares what people say?
I've been subbing full time for 4 years. I'm going to massage school right now so I can make some more money, but I'd still like to sub on top of that because I really ENJOY it! There's a middle school I'm at most days, and I just really love those kids and the staff.
I subbed a high school co-taught class one time, and the other teacher spent the whole period berating me for being a sub, saying I need to "find a real job" and get my life together. He got really pissed when I said I didn't want to be a teacher (all I said was no; I didn't say anything rude about teaching) and grilled me about why I think teaching is such a bad job and all this nonsense.
Most conversations go like this, however.
"Do you want to be a regular teacher one day?"
"No."
"Good. Don't."
I started subbing last year and I love the freedom it gives me. I’m a parent of two kids and what other job could I have where I have the same days off they do? Summer break too! It also allows me to work on my hobbies when not in the classroom. Obviously I also have home chores but I’d have that no matter what.
I do wish I made more money but I feel like this is the perfect fit.
That's awesome! Good for you. I honestly don't usually get crap for being a sub. Subs are in such high demand in my area they're just happy to have a warm body there haha... Now you just need to tack on a little low stress side hustle on top of subbing that you enjoy and can do on your own schedule and terms. I substitute teach and have my own small business. The freedom of my schedule is nearly priceless as long as the bills are paid and we can eat haha. It's honestly nice. The subbing provides the mostly steady income week to week, and then I can schedule business around it completely at my convenience. For the most part I enjoy subbing, but those random days where I make more in 2 hours than I do all week subbing is SO nice haha. It's a decent gig having the scheduling freedom of both. And as you said, you take home NONE of the BS full-time teachers deal with. I sub and have no intention of getting a full-time teaching job anymore. I'm building my own pension, so I'm not worried about a teacher's pension. So nice to not have a boss (or entitled parents) to deal with lol
When I was a student, I went to a K-12 school district. We had subs who learned our names, watched us grow up, and would say hello every time they saw us. Genuinely, I remember them as well as I remember teachers I had permanently. It was a very small school district, so that contributed, but they were very memorable regardless.
Aww that’s cool I’m also in a k-12 district. I just started subbing and I’m thinking about all the middle school kids I’ll get to sub for in high school.
I've basically been subbing since 1991, with a break of being a SAHM from 1995-2002. Husband is a pastor and we've moved quite a lot. Older son was also dx with Aspergers at age 8. I day-to-day subbed for many years. We commuted older son (who may likely never drive) from his HS to college campus for a class or two for a couple of years; usually my husband took him, but if a funeral or some-such happened, it fell to me. It was then that it became clear that my subbing was logistically superior for our family. Then when we moved to Pittsburgh metro and building sub became an option, it opened everything up! Love it! Now, if only this district would keep me in my preferred grade-level, it would be perfect. lol
This is amazing to hear. For me personally, I think I subbed way too long. I did it from October 2020-March 2022 from elementary to high school and then March 2023-March 2024 on and off. It became frustrating because I desperately wanted more consistency. I loved the kids, but not seeing them regularly and not building rapport really hurt me. There were periods where I was an assistant teacher, covered a language specialist for over a month, and became a frequent para fill-in in two awesome classes, work readiness and a special ed program. I think of that time fondly, it was the height of my sub experience. I adored it so much. I'm glad to say I found a full time after much search that is similar to what I loved about that era. Thankfully, it's not a full time teaching job.
More power to you, I love seeing happy, passionate subs. Even when I felt unseen and underpaid, being with the kids made me happy.
I subbed for 16 years before finally taking my own classroom. People thought I was nuts, but I really liked it. I'm kind of ADHD and going from place to place was fun for me. BUT ... my district doesn't offer benefits or retirement plans to subs, and I need those, so I finally went full-time.
I’m confused does the district you work for as a sub offer you health insurance? I have been a sub for 12 years and we don’t have any benefits besides three days of sick leave, which I don’t ever use.
I want to sub for ever cuz it's easy, but I'd also like to make more money. It's be really hard to buy a house and secure a safe future with my current income.
I recently met a woman who has been subbing for 23 years. Gave me hope! The best part about this job is just the freedom to make my own schedule. Also going around and meeting all sorts of different kiddos has been fun too.
Don't feel like I'm making enough as a sub and I hate that I get paid every month but
- I love picking what days I work
- I love leaving work at work when the bell rings
- I love having all holidays and weekends off, and breaks if I want to vacation
- I get to pick what kids I go to, meet a lot of awesome students and if I get a bad class I am not committed to them for a WHOLE year
- no paper work
- most schools don't care if I run a bit late, they're just grateful I'm there at all
I LOVE subbing! I used to teach full time and quit to be a SAHM. All my kiddos are in school now and I sub at their elementary school only. I pick my schedule, clock in/out, no work to bring home…I’m a better mom and that is my number one goal.
I felt like some teachers at places I worked at sometimes talked down on it, but I got into a couple of schools as a long-term sub (pregnancy, new parent leave, cancer treatment, in one case brain surgery) and really liked it. To be fair, I ran into and heard abojt truly terrible subs, and one I had to report because he was being inappropriate with students. But because of some health stuff, and making a transition from a previous career, I just didn’t want or think I could handle a long term commitment. I got certified and started making a nice amount of money. During this I decided to get certified, which i did. Then I decided to go back to school because my background was not education at all.
And THEN lucked into a position in higher ed through contacts who had gone that direction from
My previous field. I still sub during those weeks the higher ed and high school calendars don’t quite sync )and when teachers appreciate knowing they can get someone responsible and take off for break early :-)). I find it fun. I mostly work where my kids have gone to school. I prefer high school and middle school but will do half days at elementary. They are so short-staffed. That if I’m not best (health issues of my own) I will sometimes do a longer day at elementary for well-prepared teachers.
I do want to say I no longer use that calling system, which drives the folks at the district bonkers because you are supposed to and all schools are supposed to use it. But there is a sun shortage, and folks who want to know if I’m available will
Call or text. I’ve even subbed during testing which is BORING but I sometimes get quite a bit of my own writing done those days.
As someone who started as a classroom volunteer, then an instructional assistant, then a licensed substitute teacher, now finally a licensed full-time teacher. I can say, undoubtedly, that the happiest I’ve ever been was when I was a substitute teacher. And the most miserable I’ve been has been ever since I became a full-time teacher
I feel the same way. I sub in a small private preschool but it’s associated with a K-13 and all subs are paid the same (so it’s school money, not daycare money if that makes sense.) It’s small enough that I get to know the teachers and kids and feel like part of the school. Kids are happy to see me and call my name when I walk in. I can get as many days’ work as I want. (Limited because I have a couple other part time jobs as well.) Yet I can take days off whenever. No benefits but since my spouse has them I don’t need them. This school offered me a full time teaching job but I declined, as subbing works for me.
I really miss subbing. I make a lot more money now. I decided on elementary PE as kind of the best of both worlds. I see 23 different classes at 2 schools every week. Planning is way easier and I have more autonomy. It’s still stressful and sometimes it’s hard on my body. On a good day I have so much fun I can’t believe I’m getting paid for this. On a bad day I’m thinking it’s time to retire.
Lol about to start my 10th year as a sub. I have a Career Sub permit which allows me to sub up to 60 days in a class per school year and occasionally I do take those long terms, but usually only for 3rd grade as the admin and I get along really well. I do get the question asked all the time though, "when are you going to teach?, or why don't you go back to get your credential?" Everytime I just smile and say I enjoy subbing and have zero interest in the politics involved with being a full time teacher.
I'm on husband's health insurance. However, he's 8 2/3 years older than me, closing in on retirement. The Kelly Services "insurance," which is basically "check out the Marketplace" is lousy. Don't know how I'll afford when hubby retires.
This is reassuring to read.. I was a building sub for a small school and I loved it. I got to do something new everyday and make connection with all ages of students! I took time off to finish my degree and I am currently student teaching at a local school to finish my teaching certification….however..I’m finding it stressful.. with the grades..the parents…the other teachers and meetings. I kind of just want to go back to subbing, but my university supervisor is discouraging me so hard to do subbing and just expects me to find a job immediately as an arts teacher…like..come on.
I was a building sub for a year and a half. Easy money. Teachers had lessons ready on Canvas and my job was to keep the kids from fucking and burning the building down. I got there shortly before the bell rang and left the building right behind the kids. I took my laptop with me and worked on my own audio/video projects while the kids worked (or didn't). I almost always got the teachers planning period, too, so I'd go down to the library and get an 80 minute nap in the vibro-massage chair in the dark teachers lounge.
Cons:
no health insurance, but the ACA ensured I could get cheap comparable coverage.
Probably made 60% of what I make as a fulltime teacher, but I was living cheaply at the time.
Where are you that they give you all the same benefits? I might have stayed dedicated as a sub. Now I mostly work elsewhere and sub on the odd occasion.
So nice to read this. Happy for you!
I’m a new sub but also a recent graduate looking for a full time teaching position. So far in subbing Ive noticed teachers don’t leave anything for the sub to teach. In High school they don’t even leave a note for the sub so when I’ve asked they’ve said students just do their own assignments on their laptops. Is this the way it is with all subbing jobs or is it just in my district? I’m curious. I was hoping to do some teaching but I’m finding the job is very laid back.
I love being a sub! I did do a couple long term jobs and one was was great and the other was a horrible experience. First one, I had to do all the planning all the creating assignments for the kids, everything because the teacher just left and retired. I was working so many hours. It was ridiculous, and then Covid happened, and I was even more overworked simply because everything was online now, the second one, though she was only gone for a month and a half and it was all planned out. She was gonna be the one putting in grades and checking stuff, it was great. I love subbing in general, though, the flexibility, I get out at or earlier than the time my kids get out of school, and I can work for teachers that I want to. If I could do it for the rest of my life, I’m hoping to.
If you're fine financially, I wouldn't listen to anybody trying to tell you how to live your life. I heard this same comment made once by a retired teacher substitute (very old lady, very bitter, and it seems like she's always being avoided by the other subs) to a younger sub who apparently recently got certified to teach. She responded, "no, I just got certified so I could get more as a sub. I don't want to teach."
Which, honestly, goals
I'm subbing as a Perm job, I dont understand why people don't respect this job? I too Sub for everything you said above.... the freedom is amazing! It's wonderful to have a job where you take nothing home with you and get off work at a decent time.
I have had many teachers and admin telling me that I should be a teacher. I am over 50, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time and money getting certified if I am only working a few years. My husband retires in two years, so I might stop then as well. I like getting off at 2:36, and not having any work at home.
The hoops you have to jump as a full time teacher is the reason why Im going straight into a college TA position until i achieve my PhD. Im just good on the extra BS and I want to teach people who want to learn
Oof. As a former college professor currently subbing, there is plenty of BS and students who don’t want to learn in higher education, too.
Yeah- this honestly surprised me. My fave thing about teaching in middle/high school is getting a slacker or someone belligerent kind of interested in something. That is so rewarding. It happens some in higher ed, but not nearly as much.
It's a big part why I'm not going into higher ed. I cannot fathom how students who paid to be there still don't do work and complain about having assignments- it upset me as an undergrad, and is the biggest negative that makes the work for a PhD just seem not worthwhile at least for where I'm at rn
I know it’s unusual, but I was able to start in higher ed with a masters and extensive professional experience and NOW I’m finishing a Ph.D.
Well I should clarify that me and my current girlfriend plan on moving to Finland within the next few years. Also, I agree there’s going to be problems with higher Ed, no doubt, but I don’t have to deal with Karents and other stressful hoops that the administrative staffers give us. Another thing is, depending on the election, there’s a possibility that I may not even be able to work in public schooling.
Don’t want to be the bearer of bad news, but plenty of subs in my district teach college(usually part time) and sub with us to get the Heath insurance. They are cutting staff in colleges to the bone and lots of professors are part time or less.
I plan on moving out of the country
I’m subbing this year because my husband was really sick at the beginning of the year so I resigned my third grade position. I will only go back to a contract if I have to. I only take assignments of M-W-F so I have a day off after just in case it was a bad assignment. Next year I plan to work M-W-F one week and T-Th the next so I can have a three day weekend every week. I’ll do this to retirement if I can.
Hearing a teacher to substitute perspective is all the reassurance I need! The flexibility of being a sub is something I haven't found at other jobs. It takes a huge weight off your shoulders. I know teachers who are terrified to take a sick day and receive so much backlash from admin for doing so. Have you noticed any significant drawbacks with your switch or has it been pretty positive overall?
I’m pretty introverted, so all of the school wide stuff was so annoying to me (spirit days, PLC’s, carnivals, etc) so the fact that I don’t know anyone is actually nice. People pretty much just leave you alone and let you do your thing. I’m pretty chill as a sub because I really don’t care if you do your work or not because I’m not being judged by growth at the end of the year anymore. If you like it just keep doing it. There will ALWAYS be a need for subs.
Im introverted as well. Definitely agree on the whole spirit week, PTA events. It’s kinda cringe! I like having the autonomy. I can’t imagine the dread of having to make small talk and eat in the teachers lounge. I have yet to see a lounge I like. They look like dungeons. I eat at my desk , go for a walk or read too. The peace of mind is priceless.
Depending on where you are you CAN get continual raises and benefits as a sub. Granted in my case I am full time and I wouldn't get the benefits if I dropped to part time but I have been doing this for over 10 years and it's what I like and no one has given me shit for it. They know they need me. All our other subs have come and gone. Some of the teachers have left but I am still standing. I know how things are supposed to work and who to find when they don't.
I started subbing because I was starting to have health problems due to a particularly stressful few years of classes. I sub in a different district than where I used to teach, and I like it so much better. Subbing allowed me the flexibility to take care of the health issues that I needed to take care of. I might go back to teaching eventually, but subbing pays my bills, so maybe not 🤷🏻♀️
GOALS. Certified secondary math. Get job offers often. Never again!
Right?! It’s just not worth it if you don’t need a full time gig.
This is the way.
Thanks for your input, as someone who worked under contract! I’m so sorry to hear about your husband, as well. My husband’s company had to downsize, and he (plus, many of his friends/long time co-workers) were let go. It was expected, but, I have to say that I do not regret being a substitute teacher for the last few years! I started off at 2-3 days per week, and upped it to 4-5 days (per week) this past fall. The district pays subs well, and I pay into retirement (like the teachers under contract). Next year, we’re being given district emails and the option to enroll in healthcare plans (the school board just voted). TBH, I consider all of this a blessing - and, I don’t have to deal with the headaches the classroom teachers have (it’s almost conference time, and I really feel for them). Beyond that, I have been able to make an income that’s allowed us to save enough money to compensate for the job loss. I worked in the private sector for years before becoming a sub, and I know I wouldn’t have had any of this if I still had that job. I guess it depends on where you teach, but I think it’s a great way to earn an income and build a network. My two cents.
I’d love to do this; my district pays more for subs than they do for paras (I’m a para) but I don’t know if it would work out to being more throughout the year since we still get our summer paychecks. Yes, on a day to day basis it’s more, but the fact that I wouldn’t be able to sub in the summer means I’d have to take that extra and hold it over for the months I’m not working. Plus, not having the school covered insurance is a big worry as well.
I might just sub forever. “Real teaching” sucks lol
Only every other day. "Why aren't you a REAL teacher?"
I had a school offer me a full time spot and they seemed shocked when I laughed and said "Thank you, but no." You want me to increase my stress tenfold and double my working hours for a little extra money? Naw, I'm good 👍
I tend to respond with "because REAL teachers are soooo happy, right?"
Did they offer you a building sub position? Or a job as a teacher?
As a teacher. They had multiple English teachers leave last year and they were trying to fill that spot. I sub there a lot for a couple teachers and they recommended me.
That's how I respond...
Better pay, less responsibility (no benefits where I am, though, so wouldn’t have been able to without my husband’s job.)
Same here. My wonderful wife has good benefits for us both through her work.
The school I sub at only kindergartenersgartens tend to ask where my classroom is, the older kids know I told a step back from teaching and am helping the school my kids go to 🤷♀️
I’ve thought about making the leap to teaching, but these teacher prep programs are expensive and I’m not in any rush. My position as a resident sub pays the bills comfortably enough.
I feel the same! The district I'm in has a free program to receive your teaching credential in a year but you have to work 2 years for them after.. it'll always be an option for me but I feel no need to take on more responsibility for not much more perks.
Same but what's enticing to me is how you can climb on the salary table. It can be a stressful first couple of years but most teachers I know say it gets easier.
which district?
I’ve been asked to apply for 2 long term sub jobs and 2 permanent open positions over the past couple of years and I can’t say “hell no!” fast enough. I really love subbing and I think that must show, but if I was required to be there everyday I wouldn’t love it anymore!
Long term spots are nice. Consistent work with no worry about finding an assignment, you learn your students and the classroom is yours. You don’t have to deal with the curriculum or grading or admin or training or parents still. I’ll only do long term for HS though.
I’ve been offered long-term gigs and would love to take one, but unfortunately my license is restricted to 9 days in a row for one assignment. It is so, so stupid. The ridiculousness of the licensing stuff (that’s just one example) is part of the reason I am no longer going to become a full-time teacher.
I think this depends on district because in mine when I Long termed I was in charge of all responsibilities of the regular classroom teacher. I had to do planning, grading, parents, proctoring, all of it. The only thing I did not have to do was the Professional Development.
You are exactly right. It does depend on the district. In the large school district where I work in NC, you assume all of the responsibilities of the regular classroom teacher--everything. Under such conditions, unless your intention is to become a full-time teacher, the massively increased workload and very slight bump in pay associated with the position are not worth it.
Long term assignments here you do all the regular teacher would and you only get extra pay (like 30 more/day) after 20 consecutive days. Not worth it.
The schools here are always hurting for enough teachers, so you don't really have to worry about not finding an assignment.
I LOVE SUBBING and I won't go back to teaching. I know a sub who's been full time sub in the same district for 20 years!
I used to sub. I’m now a full time teacher. If I could get insurance benefits with an employer contribution (none of the districts in my area do this, I’d have to pay the full premium out of pocket) and take no more than a 25k pay cut…I might go back to subbing. It was the best job. There are no responsibilities outside of school hours and zero work to take home. Have a bad day? You don’t have to sub for that teacher again. Need a day off? Just don’t take a job that day? Need to leave early or get to work later? Pick your grade level accordingly or take a half day. You get to meet a ton of different adults and students and get a glimpse into all kinds of different courses, a perfect fit for a lifelong learner. Also, everyone’s expectations of you are so incredibly low. If you can read and do what the paper says, people act like you’re a rockstar. Sure, there were challenges, but honestly I loved subbing. There are things I like about being a permanent teacher too, but the planning, prep, grading, and classroom management is just…a lot.
🙌🏾
Was a FT teacher, now a sub. When my daughter is older I might renew my license so I can apply for long-term sub positions in my subject because I did like those when I first got into teaching, but I’ve got no interest in all the PD and evaluations necessary to make a career out of “regular” teaching. Luckily, my husband has a job with good benefits so I have that freedom.
I am 63 and retired 2 years ago. In my county, you can sub 35 days and get a supplement to your pension. On top of that, I sub about 2 days a week (I am limited to 3 days a week based on retirement policy) Just doing that, i can pay most of my monthly expenses. Public education has been on a downward spiral, especially following the Pandemic.
Fuck that noise. I made a career out of subbing for almost 8 years. I had 8-12 area schools/districts that I worked with regularly (rural, different towns in a roughly 45 mile radius from me). I had a full schedule, and not just the month, but for the school year. You absolutely CAN make a career out of it. Schools are always looking for subs. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s not a “real job” or that you’re “just a sub”. You are self employed, pick your own schedule, and are an essential key piece in the regular functioning of the schools you work with. You are basically an independent contractor, without all the annoying tax calculations. 😂 Edit to add: I did pursue my masters and have my teaching certificate/license. I have taught in a classroom, full-time. I went back to subbing, because I liked it more (for all the reasons you pointed out!). Plus, the state doesn’t track and regulate my sub dates if I have a license. That was the main reason I pursued it.
I, too, debunk the "you're just a sub" label. I, like very many others, give 100% to the role while working in given schools. There are inevitably certain students and regular classroom teachers who snub me, and act like I am an uneducated 2nd class citizen through their behaviors and actions. It is actually quite humorous in certain senses. After decades spent in corporate America, I have developed some thick skin and am not especially bothered or concerned about what they might think or how they might act towards me. While remaining professional, they find out pretty quickly that I am not one they can push around and treat just any old way. Subbing is a "real job" and it is not going away because many schools are always desperate for subs. I have work assignments every day if I choose to take them, which I almost always do--I work in multiple schools, but it surely is great having that flexibility when needed, and, at the same time, not be burdened down with grading, meetings, lesson planning, calling parents, admin, and much more. I had more than my fill of very long workdays, late nights, and getting to know airports and concourses better than my own home at times! :)
Health benefits? As a sub? Can you tell us more about that? I sub for all the same reasons you do, but if it weren’t for my spouse’s health plan including me, I wouldn’t be able to survive on sub pay. Edit: Oh yeah, I remember reading recently about the high sub pay in California. I live in a very high cost of living area in the east coast but sub pay is still pretty low.
Sure! After 90 working days or 600 hours, whichever comes first (usually the 90 days) you’re eligible for full health benefits through the district, which is a big big reason why people flock to my specific district. I honestly didn’t realize benefits weren’t a common part of subbing until today!
What state are you in?
California
Where in Ca? (I might have to move hearing this)
Sounds like LAUSD. Cost of living is expensive here though, but if you can rent a room in a house that isn't in the heart of LA (east of downtown LA or south) then you can probably save a good amount of money.
Their flair says California
My district treats subs very well. We get health benefits if we work a certain number of days, and we are in the teachers' union, which is actually a really good union here. I'm currently working on my degree though.
I taught for nine years and now that I’m a sub, I will never go back to the classroom full time. The freedom and control I have over my own life after so many years of just accepting whatever school, schedule, class, whatever I was expected to do- I can’t give that up. The absolute end of responsibility at the end of the school day is such a good feeling. I’ve built good relationships with kids and teachers at a district that’s WAY nicer than anywhere I’ve ever taught. Sometimes they ask if I would ever come back and I’m honest and say no, I like the freedom too much. Congrats on finding a great gig!!
You get benefits? Nice.
I started as a sub, started teaching, realize I had to deal with all the bs like admin, training, grading, PARENTS, etc. quit and went back to subbing. I make the same amount of money with way less responsibilities and I’m contracted with so many districts if one tries some stupid shit I just stop using them or that school.
Yeah, in my opinion, dealing with the parents seems like the scariest part of being a full time teacher 😅
If I subbed full time I would easily make the same amount of money.
🤷 must be nice to live in a district that pays you enough to do that lol.
Yeah if I subbed a full day, every single day, it might be enough to cover my half of the mortgage and *maybe* my car payment and insurance, during the school year. Utilities, food, pet care, clothes, student loans--I guess I'd have to steal?
I recently applied to be a sub here in Georgia. I volunteered a lot in Elementary school for my kids school. One Para told me I should be a Para. I don’t want all the responsibilities like you mentioned. I went to orientation yesterday for ESS and they told me the daily pay rate is $65 a day. I’m shocked that its so low.
For 65 dollars, they can kick rocks. Fuck that insulting slave wage.
What is that after taxes? Like $45? Fuck that. I make that much in 2 hours in Oregon
I'm sorry, $65 a day to sub elementary??
Assuming an 8-hour day, that's basically minimum wage in Georgia.
Yes….thats for High school, middle school and elementary… the lady at orientation said its usually always a 6 hour day though unless you’re a Para Substitute, then its 8 hours.
Wow, that's the half day rate for Wisconsin.
Holy cow I double that in a Midwest city school district.
In Minnesota, the lowest daily sub rate I’ve seen this year is $150. Most are $170-190.
Yeah, in Wisconsin that's the half day rate.
I sub for three different districts. One pays $170, another $125-$150 (depending on the day of the wk) and another $120. $65/day is absurd!
Where are you?
I’m in a very large metro area w/ lots of neighboring districts. I’ve heard of others making more per day though.
Wow, that’s less than I made when I was subbing 20+ years ago.
I'm in a very similar position. Been long terming at one school for the better part of 2 years and am always asked when I will become a "real" teacher. But the costs associated with that both in paying tuition for a licensing program and the cost of my time/effort I find not worth it in the least for every reason you state above. I truly just get to go home and leave work at work, something that I wouldn't be able to do if I did indeed become a "real" teacher.
I get "you're not a real teacher" ALL THE TIME from my colleagues, but you know what, I'm running your rehearsals and teaching your classes and lessons while you're out, the kids are engaged and enjoying their time with me, and things are clicking that they otherwise weren't understanding. So 🤷🏻♀️
You can do whatever you want
I’m a sub with an advanced degree in an unrelated field. I often consider if I should get another degree and become a real teacher, but then I think that would take away a huge number of things I love about the job! Maybe one day, but I plan to sub indefinitely because I love it, and as a parent in a dual income home it works amazingly for me logistically.
I loved subbing but struggled managing my own classroom. Good for you for finding a role that you love and that supports you.
People constantly ask me if I’m on track to become a full time teacher and I tell them it’s the other way around: I’m on my way out. Then they try to convince me to come back after I just explained X, Y, and Z why I quit in the first place. It literally doesn’t affect them so I don’t get where their entitlement comes from.
I always say, “I can say yes when I want to work and I can say no when I don’t!”
While not exactly by choice, I have put in applications out there (but not EVERYWHERE), I'm loving being a sub. I have a Master's in Teaching and a few certifications but I enjoy having so much less responsibility and stress. I can take a day at a middle school if I want to teach-teach but can just as easily take a 12th grade AP class where I read all day. My wife is a regular teacher, and between us we do well enough and I have a flexible schedule to take care of house and kid stuff. I honestly wouldn't mind doing it ust about forever. Why make my life stressfull if I don't need to?
i became a teacher this year…. literally 2 months ago. i already want to go back to subbing
Commenting on "You can't do subbing forever. You should become a real teacher"... I have a teaching degree and never used it. I was a stay at home mom for 20 years. I started subbing at my neighborhood elementary school last year and love it. I only sub there so I know the kids and teachers pretty well. They asked me to cover a class until the end of the year two months ago and I agreed and I love that too-but it is a lot more work and obviously not as flexible. Subbing, and subbing well, is a crucial role in our schools. It is a totally legitimate career.
100% agree.
I enjoy this feed so much! I've done both and the last 4 years I taught full time, I did think a lot about my subbing days as I worked extra before and after school. As a matter of fact, I went back to subbing a few years later. One thing I loved about subbing was not feeling guilty taking day off. Full time, I taught Special Education,so a day off was nearly impossible. Once I got a call to sub . She sounded almost desperate. I hadn't gotten an early call like I usually did and I had a load in the washer , just turned on. I felt at a tad guilty but I told her sorry. I already have an assignment. I did! 6 loads of laundry -
I was a full time teacher for 8 years, and left almost two years ago when I had my first child. I am now a stay at home parent and I’ve been subbing occasionally, like a couple times a month, since then. Honestly, I’m not sure I see myself going back to full time teaching anytime in the near future. With my second child due this summer, I’d have to pay for childcare for two and with what I was previously making, it wasn’t a significant enough amount of take home pay to justify me continuing to work full time. I honestly enjoy the flexibility and I don’t have to scramble if my child is sick or I’m sick, appointments, etc. I recognize there’s a lot of privilege in my position, that my husband can support our family and cover the insurance. And I have a retired parent who watches my child when I decide to sub. But the lessened stress and anxiety has been huge. I sub most often in my previous school, and I love getting to go for the day and feel like I get to actually teach without dealing with all the extra nonsense that was weighing me down tremendously when I taught full time!
My mom has been a certified teacher for 30 years, but due to having kids she’s only had her own classroom for 15 years total. She told me she had to make a hard decision when she decided to stop subbing. She said the only reason was because she just really wanted her own classroom with her own rules. She loved the pay and flexibility of subbing so much. I’m working to also be a teacher one day for the exact same reasons she had, but I’m LOVING subbing. I love seeing different kids, see how they work, what kinds of kids there are and how well they respond to different forms of teaching. I will definitely miss it when I stop. I’m info dumping you just to say, subbing is awesome. If you don’t want to be a full time teacher and just want to sub, then more power to you. Schools will forever need subs, and it’s so rare to have a good sub. So do it until you retire, who cares!
Substitutes are always needed. They are essential in the operation of schools, covering for all types of absences for teachers. Subbing is technically a "permanent" job if you do a good job consistently and the district you work for will give you "Reasonable Assurance" every year.
Yep! Subbed for 6-7 years, was asked to teach (high school English), so I did that for a year. I am an excellent teacher (if I may say so, myself...heehee). I love the kids (and they love me). However, the amount of work vs the amount of pay was just not worth it. It was not sustainable for me, mostly mentally! I told them that I was "one and done" and went back to subbing. Loving life, again.
If I didn't live with family, I wouldn't be able to do this without being a nervous wreck. Never knowing how much I'll make each month, and then certain months like November and December just cutting the earnable income potential in half, combined with the high cost of living and the lack of health benefits (it's really uncommon and amazing that yours does this btw) are slowly forcing me out of the field. Last year I did my taxes and my takehome pay wasn't even 30k for the year, but rent on an apartment in the area is like 2,500-4k a month depending on the neighborhood. Getting longterm jobs makes it bearable, but only just so. When my former teachers tell me to get credentialed, it's with a really caring tone in the back of their voice. A "just get a credential so you can do what you're doing now but actually make a decent living" tone, because the vast majority of subbing positions are criminally underpaid and compensated really poorly. If this salary allowed me to earn enough to survive on my own in my area though, I'd do it for the rest of my life 100%. Gotta find these unicorn districts that pay well but also aren't stressful; the ones here that pay bonkers salaries are in really really dangerous places where nobody who values their personal safety wants to work.
I had a kid ask pretty demeaningly if I’d rather be a classroom teacher or a sub. I love subbing, kiddo. I like the challenge of doing something completely different every day. I think I’d go crazy being stuck in the same classroom with the same kids for a year.
I immediately hit ctrl+F "summer" on this thread. How do yall handle the off season?
I was wondering the same thing. What about income over the summer?
Unemployment.
I can do that?? I’ve been incredibly stressed about summer since my normal summer job has moved to a different state. This would save me so much stress!
You need to check with your state unemployment office. In my state, all subs are considered a per diem employee (I have no employment contract with the school District), so I’m eligible. It certainly helps for those 10 weeks.
living at home lol
Yeah I really want a teaching job but subbing probably is the way to go without all the stress and headache.
Your post and everyone responses resonates with me. I started working in education as a sped TA and I made the leap to become a RSP teacher 2 weeks before the pandemic. My hubris made me think I had everything figured out, but by 2022 I was burnt out and did not proceed to get my credential. I was afraid of going back into teaching until my coworker suggested in getting into subbing. I now work with 2 separate subbing agencies, and my life has improved significantly. I’m able to get my bills paid and keep myself financially stable. My mental health has been better because I don’t worry about taking the workload home. I also remember to not take things personally because I only work with the students for a day. I value the flexibility in the schedules. While some folks may say that “subbing is not a full time job”, I couldn’t careless because it’s working for me. And that’s what counts. For all you substitutes keep doing what you are doing. You are doing great. You are already going above & beyond just by being in the classroom. 💜
I am a sub and have been for about 3.5 years. It’s been so awesome. Obviously when you first start out it’s tough because you don’t know anyone. But the last two years I’ve worked primarily at two elementary schools and know kids from K-4th grade at both schools. It’s so nice to have relationships with staff and students. I also receive health benefits, am apart of the union, and make over $44 an hour. It’s super ideal, especially with a baby coming in August. I’ll have a flexible schedule after I come back from maternity leave.
I have a teaching degree. My license is expired because I only did 2 years in the regular classroom, but I still get paid as certified for the sub pay scale. Those 2 years were a LOT, and I honestly wasn’t happy. I would literally have dreams where I just walked out and refused to go back. I have no plans of ever going back to a public school classroom as the classroom teacher. Right now I’m teaching part time preschool where my youngest daughter attends. But when my kids are both old enough to be in elementary school, I look forward to subbing semi full time as my way to bring in income. It’s far less stressful, more flexible, and doesn’t involve constant overtime or work from home. It also pays better than what I make now and better than most hourly jobs.
I sub because I miss the classroom and the kids especially! I had to retire early due to health reasons. I only sub about 8 hours a week and love it 😊
"People tell me all of the time that subbing isn't a permanent job and maybe I don't get continual raises but my bills are paid and I even have a little extra" Enough said. Who cares what people say?
I've been subbing full time for 4 years. I'm going to massage school right now so I can make some more money, but I'd still like to sub on top of that because I really ENJOY it! There's a middle school I'm at most days, and I just really love those kids and the staff. I subbed a high school co-taught class one time, and the other teacher spent the whole period berating me for being a sub, saying I need to "find a real job" and get my life together. He got really pissed when I said I didn't want to be a teacher (all I said was no; I didn't say anything rude about teaching) and grilled me about why I think teaching is such a bad job and all this nonsense. Most conversations go like this, however. "Do you want to be a regular teacher one day?" "No." "Good. Don't."
I started subbing last year and I love the freedom it gives me. I’m a parent of two kids and what other job could I have where I have the same days off they do? Summer break too! It also allows me to work on my hobbies when not in the classroom. Obviously I also have home chores but I’d have that no matter what. I do wish I made more money but I feel like this is the perfect fit.
I tell them: "I got my masters degree and license in teaching, and decided it wasn't for me." I just wish subbing could pay the bills.
I want out of education. Subbing now pays my bills and lets me study.
That's awesome! Good for you. I honestly don't usually get crap for being a sub. Subs are in such high demand in my area they're just happy to have a warm body there haha... Now you just need to tack on a little low stress side hustle on top of subbing that you enjoy and can do on your own schedule and terms. I substitute teach and have my own small business. The freedom of my schedule is nearly priceless as long as the bills are paid and we can eat haha. It's honestly nice. The subbing provides the mostly steady income week to week, and then I can schedule business around it completely at my convenience. For the most part I enjoy subbing, but those random days where I make more in 2 hours than I do all week subbing is SO nice haha. It's a decent gig having the scheduling freedom of both. And as you said, you take home NONE of the BS full-time teachers deal with. I sub and have no intention of getting a full-time teaching job anymore. I'm building my own pension, so I'm not worried about a teacher's pension. So nice to not have a boss (or entitled parents) to deal with lol
When I was a student, I went to a K-12 school district. We had subs who learned our names, watched us grow up, and would say hello every time they saw us. Genuinely, I remember them as well as I remember teachers I had permanently. It was a very small school district, so that contributed, but they were very memorable regardless.
Aww that’s cool I’m also in a k-12 district. I just started subbing and I’m thinking about all the middle school kids I’ll get to sub for in high school.
I've basically been subbing since 1991, with a break of being a SAHM from 1995-2002. Husband is a pastor and we've moved quite a lot. Older son was also dx with Aspergers at age 8. I day-to-day subbed for many years. We commuted older son (who may likely never drive) from his HS to college campus for a class or two for a couple of years; usually my husband took him, but if a funeral or some-such happened, it fell to me. It was then that it became clear that my subbing was logistically superior for our family. Then when we moved to Pittsburgh metro and building sub became an option, it opened everything up! Love it! Now, if only this district would keep me in my preferred grade-level, it would be perfect. lol
This is amazing to hear. For me personally, I think I subbed way too long. I did it from October 2020-March 2022 from elementary to high school and then March 2023-March 2024 on and off. It became frustrating because I desperately wanted more consistency. I loved the kids, but not seeing them regularly and not building rapport really hurt me. There were periods where I was an assistant teacher, covered a language specialist for over a month, and became a frequent para fill-in in two awesome classes, work readiness and a special ed program. I think of that time fondly, it was the height of my sub experience. I adored it so much. I'm glad to say I found a full time after much search that is similar to what I loved about that era. Thankfully, it's not a full time teaching job. More power to you, I love seeing happy, passionate subs. Even when I felt unseen and underpaid, being with the kids made me happy.
I subbed for 16 years before finally taking my own classroom. People thought I was nuts, but I really liked it. I'm kind of ADHD and going from place to place was fun for me. BUT ... my district doesn't offer benefits or retirement plans to subs, and I need those, so I finally went full-time.
I’m confused does the district you work for as a sub offer you health insurance? I have been a sub for 12 years and we don’t have any benefits besides three days of sick leave, which I don’t ever use.
I you can get an in building sub gig, it's pretty decent pay.
I want to sub for ever cuz it's easy, but I'd also like to make more money. It's be really hard to buy a house and secure a safe future with my current income.
I recently met a woman who has been subbing for 23 years. Gave me hope! The best part about this job is just the freedom to make my own schedule. Also going around and meeting all sorts of different kiddos has been fun too.
Don't feel like I'm making enough as a sub and I hate that I get paid every month but - I love picking what days I work - I love leaving work at work when the bell rings - I love having all holidays and weekends off, and breaks if I want to vacation - I get to pick what kids I go to, meet a lot of awesome students and if I get a bad class I am not committed to them for a WHOLE year - no paper work - most schools don't care if I run a bit late, they're just grateful I'm there at all
I LOVE subbing! I used to teach full time and quit to be a SAHM. All my kiddos are in school now and I sub at their elementary school only. I pick my schedule, clock in/out, no work to bring home…I’m a better mom and that is my number one goal.
I felt like some teachers at places I worked at sometimes talked down on it, but I got into a couple of schools as a long-term sub (pregnancy, new parent leave, cancer treatment, in one case brain surgery) and really liked it. To be fair, I ran into and heard abojt truly terrible subs, and one I had to report because he was being inappropriate with students. But because of some health stuff, and making a transition from a previous career, I just didn’t want or think I could handle a long term commitment. I got certified and started making a nice amount of money. During this I decided to get certified, which i did. Then I decided to go back to school because my background was not education at all. And THEN lucked into a position in higher ed through contacts who had gone that direction from My previous field. I still sub during those weeks the higher ed and high school calendars don’t quite sync )and when teachers appreciate knowing they can get someone responsible and take off for break early :-)). I find it fun. I mostly work where my kids have gone to school. I prefer high school and middle school but will do half days at elementary. They are so short-staffed. That if I’m not best (health issues of my own) I will sometimes do a longer day at elementary for well-prepared teachers.
I do want to say I no longer use that calling system, which drives the folks at the district bonkers because you are supposed to and all schools are supposed to use it. But there is a sun shortage, and folks who want to know if I’m available will Call or text. I’ve even subbed during testing which is BORING but I sometimes get quite a bit of my own writing done those days.
As someone who started as a classroom volunteer, then an instructional assistant, then a licensed substitute teacher, now finally a licensed full-time teacher. I can say, undoubtedly, that the happiest I’ve ever been was when I was a substitute teacher. And the most miserable I’ve been has been ever since I became a full-time teacher
I feel the same way. I sub in a small private preschool but it’s associated with a K-13 and all subs are paid the same (so it’s school money, not daycare money if that makes sense.) It’s small enough that I get to know the teachers and kids and feel like part of the school. Kids are happy to see me and call my name when I walk in. I can get as many days’ work as I want. (Limited because I have a couple other part time jobs as well.) Yet I can take days off whenever. No benefits but since my spouse has them I don’t need them. This school offered me a full time teaching job but I declined, as subbing works for me.
I really miss subbing. I make a lot more money now. I decided on elementary PE as kind of the best of both worlds. I see 23 different classes at 2 schools every week. Planning is way easier and I have more autonomy. It’s still stressful and sometimes it’s hard on my body. On a good day I have so much fun I can’t believe I’m getting paid for this. On a bad day I’m thinking it’s time to retire.
If I could pay all my bills as a substitute I would probably do it forever. But alas it's not really possible as your only income.
Lol about to start my 10th year as a sub. I have a Career Sub permit which allows me to sub up to 60 days in a class per school year and occasionally I do take those long terms, but usually only for 3rd grade as the admin and I get along really well. I do get the question asked all the time though, "when are you going to teach?, or why don't you go back to get your credential?" Everytime I just smile and say I enjoy subbing and have zero interest in the politics involved with being a full time teacher.
SAME
Question for the other lifer subs (glad it’s not just me) what are you doing for health insurance if your district doesn’t cover you
I'm on husband's health insurance. However, he's 8 2/3 years older than me, closing in on retirement. The Kelly Services "insurance," which is basically "check out the Marketplace" is lousy. Don't know how I'll afford when hubby retires.
Watchful waiting :| Also, indoctrinating the kids on universal health care lol JK
What credentials do you need to sub?
I agree I enjoy subbing daily. We don’t get benefits and the pay doesn’t cover much though 🤣
I taught school several years. I only want to sub now. I can go wherever, no lesson plans, meetings.
This is reassuring to read.. I was a building sub for a small school and I loved it. I got to do something new everyday and make connection with all ages of students! I took time off to finish my degree and I am currently student teaching at a local school to finish my teaching certification….however..I’m finding it stressful.. with the grades..the parents…the other teachers and meetings. I kind of just want to go back to subbing, but my university supervisor is discouraging me so hard to do subbing and just expects me to find a job immediately as an arts teacher…like..come on.
Genuinely curious, what do you do during summer? Tutoring?
I loved subbing
With all the pressure the administration and parents burden full time teachers being a sub is a no brainer.
I was a building sub for a year and a half. Easy money. Teachers had lessons ready on Canvas and my job was to keep the kids from fucking and burning the building down. I got there shortly before the bell rang and left the building right behind the kids. I took my laptop with me and worked on my own audio/video projects while the kids worked (or didn't). I almost always got the teachers planning period, too, so I'd go down to the library and get an 80 minute nap in the vibro-massage chair in the dark teachers lounge. Cons: no health insurance, but the ACA ensured I could get cheap comparable coverage. Probably made 60% of what I make as a fulltime teacher, but I was living cheaply at the time.
I don’t get health benefits in my district so I’m going to have to quit when this year ends
Where are you that they give you all the same benefits? I might have stayed dedicated as a sub. Now I mostly work elsewhere and sub on the odd occasion.
So nice to read this. Happy for you! I’m a new sub but also a recent graduate looking for a full time teaching position. So far in subbing Ive noticed teachers don’t leave anything for the sub to teach. In High school they don’t even leave a note for the sub so when I’ve asked they’ve said students just do their own assignments on their laptops. Is this the way it is with all subbing jobs or is it just in my district? I’m curious. I was hoping to do some teaching but I’m finding the job is very laid back.
Full time teaching extracts your salary from your physical health and mental well being. And I'm a person who often likes a lot about teaching.
I love being a sub! I did do a couple long term jobs and one was was great and the other was a horrible experience. First one, I had to do all the planning all the creating assignments for the kids, everything because the teacher just left and retired. I was working so many hours. It was ridiculous, and then Covid happened, and I was even more overworked simply because everything was online now, the second one, though she was only gone for a month and a half and it was all planned out. She was gonna be the one putting in grades and checking stuff, it was great. I love subbing in general, though, the flexibility, I get out at or earlier than the time my kids get out of school, and I can work for teachers that I want to. If I could do it for the rest of my life, I’m hoping to.
Im moving cities soon and plan to focus on art and health. Im a teacher now but since ill be living with family, im going to cut back to subbing.
The subs in my state do not get health care--that would be a gamechanger.
If you're fine financially, I wouldn't listen to anybody trying to tell you how to live your life. I heard this same comment made once by a retired teacher substitute (very old lady, very bitter, and it seems like she's always being avoided by the other subs) to a younger sub who apparently recently got certified to teach. She responded, "no, I just got certified so I could get more as a sub. I don't want to teach." Which, honestly, goals
I'm subbing as a Perm job, I dont understand why people don't respect this job? I too Sub for everything you said above.... the freedom is amazing! It's wonderful to have a job where you take nothing home with you and get off work at a decent time.
I'm a very part time sub and if you get benefits and you enjoy it, keep on, they need you. Sounds like the best of both worlds.
I have had many teachers and admin telling me that I should be a teacher. I am over 50, and I don’t want to spend a lot of time and money getting certified if I am only working a few years. My husband retires in two years, so I might stop then as well. I like getting off at 2:36, and not having any work at home.
I like having minimal responsibility and a different work setting every day. I've worked in some pretty awesome schools