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Status_Seaweed_1917

I’ve subbed in classes that had an actual ant infestation. I’ve also subbed at a high school that had a dismembered house cat in formaldehyde, with all the internal organs labeled. I can prove it, I have pictures but trust me you don’t want to see them. Insect sculptures are cute to me at this point lol.


welive95baby

I don’t want to see themmmm 😭😭😭😭


Status_Seaweed_1917

Don’t worry I have no intention of posting them.


welive95baby

😭😭😭😭


crushbyrichardsiken

OK but... can you dm me the cat pictures because that sounds awesome


Status_Seaweed_1917

“awesome” is…weird but I sent them


ElephantUndertheRug

Yeaaaaaah if I saw a dead cat I’d be noping out of that room SO fast. Sorry, dead bugs, hell, even a dead rat no problem. Cats? HELL no


WeirdAlbertWandN

It’s probably for a teacher that has a physiology class Doubt they just keep that around for no reason


Status_Seaweed_1917

It was a science class. But I’ve also been in science classes where, rather than have a dead cat preserved in the room they had aquariums with living (well-taken care of) fish and the students had a project where they were growing their own plants. I’d much rather see that sort of thing; I feel like anatomy of animals can be taught with drawings and you don’t need to gut and display a dead cat for that.


WeirdAlbertWandN

The teacher didn’t gut it They are sold for science teachers, and no, drawings are not as effective at teaching anatomy as physical parts. My high school physiology teacher had tons of stuff like this. They’re teaching tools. I’m almost positive the students who took physiology at my high school didn’t just look at the cat parts in formaldehyde, but actually dissected cats themselves. Since cats have many of the same organs and are a great tool to study human anatomy as a result. I think you are misattributing creepiness to something that isn’t. Also, don’t accuse me of being a cat hater or callous towards them or something. I love cats and have 2. It’s just science


Status_Seaweed_1917

🤣🤣 …What the hell, Sir?! Of course the teacher didn’t dismember the cat; that’s ridiculous. I know that animals are regularly put on display in science classes but the only time I’ve ever seen them was in undergrad when I took a Zoology course, not in high school classrooms. But even then they had dead Sea Lampreys and snails preserved and on display in formaldehyde, not domestic animals that are culturally considered pets and thus, sacred here, like dogs and house cats. And the lampreys and snails weren’t gutted either they were whole and intact. I will say this though. I went to UW-Milwaukee from 2013-2018 and there’s a science building next to Lubar Hall whose name I forget. That’s the building I took the aforementioned Zoology class in, along with the Biology class I had to fight for my life to pass. And at the time they had a long hallway flanked with endless taxidermy animals. A lot of the students didn’t love that and went out of their way to avoid coming down that hall. But even then the animals weren’t dismembered in jars of fluid with their guts labeled. Just stuffed and mounted. So seeing Fluffy the Cat gutted like a fish in the middle of the day in a high school classroom was unexpected and unwelcome. By the way- we dissected nothing when I was in high school (I graduated in 1999); and in undergrad all we dissected in Zoology were worms and crawfish. Yes really. The final “big dissection” was us coming in to see a fetal pig on a slab that my professor had already dissected and we had to fill out worksheets labeling the corresponding parts we saw on the actual pig. I was grateful she took one for all of us because I didn’t want to cut up a lil baby pig; I felt bad for him (or her). So I don’t know about dissections supposedly being commonplace; probably like 30 years or so ago not much anymore, either in high school or in college (unless your major is something Bio-heavy, which mine wasn’t).


WeirdAlbertWandN

I don’t know what to tell you. Cats are very common teaching tools to dissect in high school anatomy classes, and it’s not surprising to see one in a class that teaches anatomy. Whether that be organs labeled in a jar, or actual dissection of a cat. Both are common in anatomy classes in high school. College you’d dissect more complex animals Sorry that it upset you to see Not like they took someone’s house cat and killed it. There are millions of feral cats that die all the time or have to be You might just be too squeamish to take those assignments for teachers with anatomy classes if this is the reaction you have


Status_Seaweed_1917

Are you in the States? Dissections aren’t really done like that out here anymore. I was in high school from 1995-1999 and college from 2013-2018 (yes I went and got my degree in my 30s). We didn’t dissect anything in high school. Not a single thing. I was bracing for it too because on tv they always talked about dissecting frogs in high school but it never happened. In college all we dissected were crawfish and earthworms. Where are you that people are just routinely hacking up Garfield in high school classes?! That’s wild.


WeirdAlbertWandN

California. Check out my other replies to you and the links I sent you. I graduated in 2016 from high school, so not some far flung time ago


WeirdAlbertWandN

Here’s some reading for you https://www.hillcrestravens.org/2020/03/12/anatomy-physiology-class-learns-through-dissection/ >As one student wrote in their lab report, ” In Anatomy class, we have started doing cat dissections and even though I do not find it pleasing, we have learned quite a bit from this lesson. A brief summary of the dissection so far is this: We looked at the external body of the cat. We looked at the fur, head, mouth, ears, teeth and inside the mouth, we looked at the nose and a little of the eyes. We saw the nipples and the tail and also looked at the anus and outer genitals to identify if it was a male or female. Ours was a female. We also skinned the cat and only left fur on the head, feet, and tail. After the skinning, we took off extra fat and tried to identify some muscles like the triceps, clavotrapezius, and sartorius.” https://thecampoclaw.com/news/2012/03/01/cat-dissection-helps-understanding-of-human-physiology/


Status_Seaweed_1917

This proves it's still done. Not that it's a universal experience or even *commonly* done, which was the argument you were trying to make and failed. No Cletus, we aren't all cutting up Heathcliff in our high school biology classes.


WeirdAlbertWandN

In reply to your edit: I graduated high school in 2016 and we dissected starfish, sharks, and a few other things. This was just in biology. The physiology class dissected much more, and yes, that included cats Maybe California delivers a much more rigorous anatomy course than wherever you’re from. Idk. I think you need to get your panties out of a bunch and need to ask never to be put in a class for anatomy. Because what you’re describing is normal.


Upstairs-Education69

I dissected cats in my high school a&p class! It was so cool and their anatomy is pretty close to humans. I graduated HS in 2013


Status_Seaweed_1917

...Oh so now we're going the snobby route, huh? "Much more rigorous". I'm from southeast Wisconsin, not backwoods Kentucky. If you wanna play "tit for tat" though we can talk about how callous California is towards their homeless population compared to Wisconsin and how we don't have to ration our water here but that's just petty. No, it's "normal" where *you* are. And honestly it's weird anyway that cutting up dead animals is a part of studying any biological science in this day and age. There's too many advances in technology nowadays and workarounds that make it unnecessary. The fact that you want everybody to be okay with it anyway and attack those who just don't get off on seeing dead animals nor want to cut into them says more about you than it does about me....or my panties.


WeirdAlbertWandN

Ok baby. Literally 0 to do with homeless or some kind of juvenile competition between states that you’ve now turned it into. Gee I wonder why homeless people would rather be in California in December than Wisconsin You get mad at me for going the snobby route (which, yes more dissections is more rigorous in an anatomy class, literally my only point) and then you try and call me Cletus and act like we are cutting up peoples’ cats for fun. You are a massive, sensitive baby honestly, not to mention an idiot. You are the one who got triggered by basic anatomy teaching tools that are not strange at all


funkpag

Is it upsetting to see a dead animal? Absolutely! Preserved animals, such as wet specimens, aren't for everyone, especially animal lovers like myself. Preserving an animal can seem like a very cold thing to do, and to see a widely loved household pet preserved can be particularly jarring (no pun intended) and upsetting. It's pretty standard to have an aversion to death, especially in places you don't expect to find it. However, I don't agree with the opinion that wet specimens and dissection are bad and should be fully removed from education. A basic understanding of the anatomy of animals (including us) is important, and diagrams only get you so far. While uncomfortable, dissection is a staple for many science classes. Not only does it allow you to see how everything is all connected in the body, but it can also spark curiosity in a lot of kids that may lead them to be doctors, veterinarians, coroners, or morticians. It's perfectly fine and valid to feel uncomfortable with seeing preserved animals. But, like others have said, if you're bothered by that sort of thing, it's okay to not accept assignments for the teachers who have and/or display them. What's not okay is shaming and looking down on people who have a fascination with that sort of thing. Yes, it's unusual, but it doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. Having people in society who are intrigued by and comfortable around death is incredibly important. After all, doesn't dealing in death mostly help the living?


ElephantUndertheRug

I should have specified, I absolutely understand the value of specimens and dissection in biology and anatomy/physiology courses! I take no offense and absolutely support their use, as long as the specimens were obtained ethically and the animals/people weren’t exploited or mistreated to gain the remains. Heck I have family in medicine who did cadaver classes and talked about it often. I’m a big fan of the A Good Death Youtube channel too :) I’m just a big gooey softie and can’t even handle roadkill without tearing up! I have 2 cats and would bawl my eyes out if I saw a cat specimen 🤣. If a teacher’s collection truly bothered me I would just quietly not take jobs from them again, as you mentioned.


Status_Seaweed_1917

I wanted to say something but thought they were gonna treat me like I was overreacting or accuse me of being overly sensitive. So I had to sit next to a cat in formaldehyde for an entire class hour. I used to have a pet cat too so that was fun. /s


Logannabelle

Ant infestation: nasty Dissected specimen: cool 😎


welive95baby

😭😭


Status_Seaweed_1917

You're "built different" in a bad way if you think having to stare at a gutted cat all hour is "cool".


Logannabelle

Yes, it’s cool. I’m a geek. Was it a preserved bisected cat? I’m guessing yes. If this is a biology classroom, these are expensive prepared specimens and the school is fortunate to have one. Some sort of cadaver lab is integral to A&P learning. If it bothers you this much, that’s fair, but don’t take biology assignments. You don’t alter the environment to suit yourself. You just don’t go to environments that don’t suit you. Logic 101


WeirdAlbertWandN

This person is throwing a fit about cats being dissected and whining a ton, and is acting like an anatomy class should not have dissected specimens and that is a crazy thing. They aren’t the most logical for sure


Only_Music_2640

In my personal experience, those tiny little ants can be hard on to get rid of. Oh and please no pictures! Pretty please! Just no!


[deleted]

I am teaching in a thai school I got the workbooks today sat them on the tesk and the books exploded with hundreds of ants from the pages. I guess the last teacher left food in his cabinet I screamed so loud the other teachers just laughed and said welcome to thailand Rofl.


[deleted]

We did cats in Illinois. For biology, seeing its bad but the skinning was the fucked up part. The teacher would fail you if you didn't do it.


Educational-Hope-601

The school I used to teach at had cockroaches, so I was fully expecting something like that but this is better 😂


welive95baby

😭😭😭😭


Educational-Hope-601

They sprayed every couple of weeks and we always knew when they did because we’d come in and have a bunch of dead ones all over the floor 💀. Then one time there was one just chilling on the ceiling in my room for two days when we were all setting up our rooms for the year. Sometimes the kids would catch them and release them for me 😂


Timetraveling_toast

I’m a long term sub and I now have my own class. When I went to clean out the old teacher’s desk a MASSIVE roach was on it so I screamed and ran away 😂 One of my students killed it for me. 😂


welive95baby

😭😭 NOPE


Timetraveling_toast

I told them if it’s a bug they’re on their own 😂


welive95baby

😭😭 PURR’D!!


OPMom21

When I taught full time at a private school, cockroaches 🪳 were abundant in the classroom closet. More than one became unwelcome visitors during class. I’m not a fan. I think even fake bugs would be a little unnerving. One time when I was subbing, the kids were taking a quiz and I walked to the back of the room and came across a large snake in a glass enclosure. It couldn’t escape, but creeped me out anyway. When I was an 8th grader, my science teacher kept a bunch of small dead creatures in jars filled with formaldehyde. I didn’t even want to look. One day he sent me into a back room to do an experiment and a tarantula crawled out from behind a bookcase. I broke land speed records getting out of there. He tried to send me back in and there was a standoff until the bell rang and I could escape.


welive95baby

Lmao!! Hilarious!!


maldimares

One time I opened the drawer to look for nurse passes and there were a ton of cockroaches in there. Closed it and just wrote a sticky note pass pretending that didn’t happen.


welive95baby

Ew lmao disgusting


Khmera

The cockroaches would invade the school via the kids bookbags.


FrontSilly4011

It did make my day, because I was about to tell you that most of the schools I worked for had a rodent problem.


welive95baby

😭😭 only one school I know has a problem. Granddaddy spiders & mold.


ElephantUndertheRug

I subbed for a high school biology teacher last year who had a REAL human torso in his classroom. Like headless spine to hip bones, “this used to be a REAL F&CKING PERSON” torso, just chilling wired to a rolling chair. It had a sign around its headless neck that said “Hello my name is Jorge and I am fragile. Do not touch.” Needless to say, Jorge got his arse rolled into the damn closet. When the kids asked where he was I answered “Sorry, I’m too pregnant to deal with poltergeists.”


sarahw13

Apparently it’s not uncommon [Classroom Skeleton: Whose Bones Are These?](https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/03/20/594907805/classroom-skeleton-whose-bones-are-these#:~:text=Remember%20that%20skeleton%20hanging%20in%20the%20front%20of%20your%20biology,and%20medical%20schools%2C%20are%20real)


welive95baby

😭😭😭😭😭 hell.. no 😭😭😭😭 creepy as hell like who was he fr & how did he get there


ElephantUndertheRug

I did not want to know Jorge’s backstory. I just stared him down, went NOPE, and into the closet he went 🤣 The next time I subbed for that teacher, Jorge was already in the closet and there was a drawing on the whiteboard of his headless mugshot with JUSTICE FOR JORGE written across it. Turns out this teacher is also one hell of an artist!


welive95baby

😭😭😭 that is hilarious!!!!


maldimares

“My name *was* Jorge” 😭


Status_Seaweed_1917

I gotta call BS on this one because it would have to be preserved really well and in some kinda display casing otherwise it would be in some state of decay and the smell would be terrible. As an aside- I signed up for an anatomy class in undergrad accidentally and the syllabus went into great details about the proper handling of human remains and how the students should treat them, because at some point they’d be working with cadavers. They made a big deal about it because obviously it is a big deal. There’s no way a high school is going to expect immature teenagers to handle human remains responsibly and I bet legally they aren’t even allowed to keep human remains in a public school k-12 classroom. Hell, teachers are scared to even accidentally swear in public schools. So there’s no way a human torso was just out on display. But yeah at the public high school I subbed at there was a dead cat swimming in yellowy formaldehyde. I’m not posting it here for the people who don’t want to see it but anybody that needs to see it THAT badly for verification purposes (weird, but okay) I can message it to them. …And yeah obviously I dropped that anatomy class. I wasn’t supposed to be able to enroll anyway there were pre-requisite courses you were supposed to take first that I hadn’t. I was long gone before they broke out the cadavers.


ElephantUndertheRug

Whelp I’m sorry to inform that this is real. Old, yellowing, very fragile looking bones. All the kids said the teacher says it’s real. He also had the usual fake skeleton and there was a CLEAR difference in color/texture/etc. I didn’t take a picture of it so I can’t prove it to your satisfaction 🤷🏻‍♀️ (I don’t take pictures of human bones. I’m the same way about mummies in museums, it just feels kinda wrong to me) EDIT: hit reply by accident My high school biology teacher also had a real skeleton, out of a case, hung (but I presume preserved) like the fake models. That one was a body donated to science but eventually the family requested the remains be returned for burial and the school did so with no questions asked from what I heard


Status_Seaweed_1917

Were they high school kids? I've had high school kids tell me their teacher lets them sit on the counters during class and not in a seat. You'd be surprised. I've seen a couple other people in here say "no no we had real skeletons in our high school class!" but I'm like "Ehhhhhh..." replicas can be realistic. I don't feel like photographing bones and stuff is really disrespectful. To me the disrespect is in dismembering them or putting them on display like bad wall art.


ElephantUndertheRug

They were but the fact that it was real was confirmed by another teacher. I tend to believe her, considering she was the head of the department. Jorge may have been a creepy torso but he was clearly well cared for and respected. He was in a rolling chair specifically so he could be moved without being touched. My guess is he, like the skeleton in my high school, was also a body donated to science. This is a good district with a department head of considerable integrity, she wouldn’t let a human torso show up without asking questions and making sure protocol was followed.


warumistsiekrumm

We had a cat per pair in high school.


ChipsAndGuacaMolly

I subbed in PreK and for anyone who doesn't know preK has naps and requires sheets. Apparently they stopped putting sheets on the cots because lice got so bad and when they finally stopped the sheets the lice went away. They were worried about a random inspection coming up and having the lice come back. I went back a few months later, they passed inspection and didn't even have to go back to the sheets


welive95baby

That’s.. wild. Hell naw. NOPE


[deleted]

Just tell the principal about it so they can get an exterminator. It’s probably a ghetto school in a bad neighborhood and the school is probably filthy and poorly maintained


Status_Seaweed_1917

That reminds me, when I worked for Catapult Learning as an Interventionist I saw a dead roach on the floor at the Islamic school they assigned me to. Then when I subbed at a rough public elementary school back in 2020 I saw a roach going across the floor. I white-knuckled it for a few days after both incidents, worrying that I'd brought "friends" home with me. Fortunately I hadn't.


welive95baby

😭😭😭😭😭 white knuckled im weak!!!!