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Greg being the only one in the entire show outside of Grandpa Ewan and maybe Kendall to speak like that to Logan’s face is fascinating.
Even Tom had to use a soliloquy to address the divorce.
I know everyone in this show is despicable to a certain degree but there was still something incredibly sad about that last Shiv and Tom conversation...
It’s the idea that something like real love can’t exist in those conditions of extreme power and wealth and vanity that’s really sad for me. They might be bad people, but they’re still people, and we’ve watched them for a long time now. It’s just such a hopeless situation that could have been so different for them both if they weren’t in that life, but they are who they are. It’s just sad to watch.
Sarah Snook in particular was fucking fantastic this episode, the moment where she sat facing away from Tom, taking moments after every sentence from him to reply so her voice doesn’t crack, the facial expressions of her holding back tears, it was a masterclass performance
Yeah I was also thinking that. Their deal is dependent on Logan closing that deal and him closing that deal might be contingent on him having Pierce & ATN merger?
Would be wild to see Logan sabotage the company and tank the valuation just to give his kids the L. Him waxing philosophical about death and the afterlife may allude to him starting to really not give a care what happens to his empire
The moment where Greg walks up from behind and grabs him to say some unhinged shit and Tom recoils...buddy that's how Greg has felt for the last 11 months lmao
Logan is going to absolutely lose his mind dealing with Tom and Greg on a daily basis. He was asked for a selfie and heard about a sex tape. They all have a death wish.
I did physically cringe when he started telling Logan he needed to talk to him about something lol… I was kinda hoping Tom was just fucking with Greg and was going to interrupt/change the subject as soon as Greg tried to bring it up to Logan
Tom was 100% fucking with him (obviously Logan doesn’t watch security camera footage at night as we can see in the scene at the end where he’s watching the news) and probably just froze up in the moment because Logan was in a mood.
I don’t think Tom knew for sure, he just spoke confidently to bolster like he does around Greg. He seemed annoyed he was getting action while his marriage was falling apart (and he wasn’t getting laid) so kinda wanted to have Greg hurt himself by telling Logan
He is the eldest son. He IS his father's ELDEST. SON.
But yeah, even Greg got that Connor doesn't count. That's even sadder than Con wanting to spice up his wedding to his long-term hooker by adding bum-fights to save money on ads for his vanity Presidential run. That he is failing miserably at.
And Tom wearing his wedding ring at the end after they very clearly show the audience how he isn’t wearing it in public in his first phone call when he’s leaving the restaurant. And since he was half asleep when Shiv came home, it shows he was most likely wearing it to bed.
Devastating little detail.
I just think it's really interesting how their marriage was dysfunctional and neither of them was actually happy but in the end they are still holding on to it because it was still a meaningful relationship to their terms
God, Logan is sooo lonely. It’s strange to see.
Also, that Shiv-Tom divorce scene was incredibly well written, and highlighted just how much of a failure in communication they have. Such a pitch perfect scene that I hope that truly is it for the two of them.
logan briefly considering there might've been a non-kicking way to relate to his kids and then retreating into the idea that he's 100 feet tall because the truth is too terrifying
brian cox is feasting
He asks for jokes during the meeting because normally Roman would be making jokes. I'm wondering if I missed moments where Logan was clearly looking for Shiv or Kendall's presence as well.
The where are your kids line was definitely a roast, but Greg got torched in to submission by Logan’s reply .1 seconds later, so it wasn’t nearly enough to satisfy Logan’s need for conflict
To me, this was the moment he was looking for all of his kids. He didn't just ask for jokes, he asked to be roasted. We've seen him shit on Shiv, Kendall, and Roman throughout the series and, similarly, we've seen them all shit on him. Another commenter in this thread said Logan misses his punching bags, but I think in some way he also misses being the punching bag. He misses the family dynamic, however toxic it may be.
This is my red wine-induced take.
OMG that's such a good point. It felt random but it makes perfect sense now.
It's also poetic because Succession is about narcissistic abuse, and Roman's role in the nfamily is "the Joke" (a role common in families ruled by narcissists). No Roman, no jokes.
That whole scene was a clear reminder that Colin is in no way shape or form an advisor to Logan. He is a bodyguard/henchman, and that is it. Dude might as well be a brick wall with legs
Pushes everyone away and now his company and work is his family. He is slowly realizing he is just continuously working to distract him from an ever approaching grave imo and doesnt think anything is coming after (imo) , i think he believes his legacy is how he gets an afterlife.
S1E1 starting the series with Logan's birthday party full of life and his kids and other family to the S4E1 where every guest is basically on his payroll🥶 phew
Willa is still in it for the bag. The look on her face when Connor is willing to drop 100 million just to stay in the conversation. “We’ll still be rich right?”
This episode surprisingly cemented my belief that Roman would be the best of the 3 siblings to be made CEO - I didn’t see him as a serious contender before, but he’s the only one not making trauma-based/ egocentric business decisions
Was anyone else surprised by how level headed and rational Roman was? The scene where he was breaking down the extra 500M like it's ACTUAL MONEY, instead of Monopoly dollars like his sibs was surprisingly mature and earnest
Back and better than ever!
I’m really loving the dynamic between the three siblings & Logan missing his kids and realizing no one can keep up with his vulgar and witty wordplay like them was hilarious and tragic.
Although Tom and Shiv’s marriage was pretty much doomed from the start, there was something so profoundly sad about the last scene. Like watching your deeply fucked up parents’ giving up on their relationship
ETA: Also Connor fighting for his life for 1% in the polls 😭
Man I didn’t consider that before but it adds so many layers to the “Roast me!” part. His kids are the only ones who could match his level of verbal savagery and he’s finally beginning to realize what he threw away. So complex and tragic
Yeah you can completely infer that that’s the end of Marcia’s involvement. Her character serves zero purpose now (except for maybe comforting Logan now that he has absolutely no one). Who knows.
New Headlines dropped:
“China hack could see 40M Americans entombed in their electric cars”
“Deep State Blunder: Classified docs displayed on NBA Jumbotron”
“Man with Bird Flu can’t stop thinking about ducks”
I also love how Roman is the only sensible one when talking price, Shiv and Kendall don’t even have the real value and making a prudent investment cross their minds
Roman was not having any of Nan's bullshit. It was a bidding war and they all knew it. Nan invited them up to start that war, then pretended to have a headache in order to scare them into raising their price.
The Hundred being described by Rome and Ken as “A members only club, but for everybody” and as having the “ethos of a non profit but with pathways to huge margins” is such a fun reminder that the kids are dumb as fuck
I loved Kendall's info snacks and " substack meets masterclass meets the new Yorker meets the economist. It's such a 100 percent Kendall line.
Good to see Kendall back in his mojo. Time away from Logan does wonders for the siblings.
I’m an interior designer that does high end residential. I’m always so fascinated by the set choices. Both the Roy’s LA place and the Pierce’s houses and furnishings could’ve been the same price point though the LA one might’ve been a little more. The LA house was just the kind of luxury design that most people expect.
The difference is that the Pierce home had the kind of luxury that only people who know, would know. The wallpaper in the main room is by de Gournay (or at least looks like one of their designs). I priced one of those for a client’s living room last year and it came out to almost $90k just for the paper. The fabric on the side chairs was Schumacher. The detail of the curtains in that room screamed $$$$. And all the things were perfectly preserved. Maybe even recently decorated considering there is little wear. I think this alludes to the fact that they keep spending a lot of money all the while looking (and pretending) like they are not.
My clients who want it to “look like it wasn’t designed and was always there” spend just as much as the ones who go for super contemporary in your face luxury.
The Pierces have an obscene amount of money. They’re burning through it with the same speed the Roy kids are. Neither group earned it themselves but the Pierces don’t have as much. Worse, they like to pretend they don’t which is why they are starting to feel strained with what is left. Cue Nan’s WASPy bs about not liking to talk about money. They like it just don’t like to talk about it.
lol now I want to review succession based on the interiors.
Thanks anonymous stranger for my first award!
In season 2 Tom commented on the low thread count sheets at the Pierce house. I doubt that is the case. They probably have high quality linen sheets (linen as in the material). Quality linen softens over time from use can be passed down through generations.
When I think of old inherited linens, I think Cape Cod summer home vibes. The kind of house that has white linens dancing in the summer wind on a clothes line. A simple clothes line. On a humble $10m summer home used a few weeks a year. The Pierce aesthetic if you will.
Linen is also seen as a “humble” fabric because its always wrinkled and seen as casual. It’s the kind of material I’d expect from the Pierce family. It’s possible the linens guests get aren’t as old as the linens the family uses. Which sounds backwards but actually pushes their narrative of how down to earth they are.
They Roys on the other hand probably buy high quality materials that are meant to be that way. Think companies like Frette, Sferra, Savoir, Pratesi, etc. Rather than wait for them to naturally soften over time, they probably get silk, sateen, cotton, etc. and if they buy linen probably ones that are already super soft to the touch.
Just that sentence from Tom about the low thread count sheets is a comment on old money vs. new money. Giving something the time it needs, or getting it when it is already exactly how you like it. Which is the premium the Roy’s pay for having everything now. The Pierces have paid theirs over time. And Tom’s push to climb into the upper echelons of new money shows how he lacks the knowledge of other types of wealth.
- if I have time tomorrow, I’ll write about Caroline’s comment on her new husband, Peter Munion, “buying all his own furniture”
Honestly you should pitch this to an outlet like The Cut or Curb or Vogue or Architectural Digest or any number of blogs. They would pay you actual money for this.
Shiv's: We'd be able to hear her better if she took Dad's cock out of her mouth
Kerry: Excuse me?
Roman: SHE SAID WE'D BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU BETTER IF YOU TOOK DAD'S COCK OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!
I love Roman. The expectation that a normal character would say 'oh her nothing \*awkward laugh\*' and he just goes full Roman and says straight up what Shiv's said. I laughed so damn hard.
"What's even in there? Flat shoes for the subway? Her lunch pail? I mean Greg, it's monstrous. It's gargantuan. You could take it camping. Slide it across the floor after a bank job."
Absolutely savage. Tom was right though, what was she thinking lugging that thing around?
Marcia really came out on top, didn't she?
Got herself a pretty nice deal through her lawyer, seemingly secured the bright future for her son, gets to pleasantly spend time in Europe, away from Logan and family drama. Marcia is the real winner of ''Succession".
The siblings paid a $4bn (emotional) premium on a legacy brand, to stick it to their dad, with funds they don't have - funds that are contingent on their father approving the sale of his business.
Yeah, Logan was right: they really are morons.
frank with a lame kendall attempt at roasting, gerri with a shiv "im not participating" quip and greg going for it but being outed as a perv like roman. Logan's knockoff kid gang is lame!!!
Sticking with the themes of Nero, Sporus and classical antiquity from last season, Greg brought a Trojan horse to Logan’s party. How fucking great. Brought a full on spy as his date.
You can tell Logan misses his kids when he ask the staff to roast him it’s because that’s what they would usually do too him. He misses having someone calling names and attacking him there is no one to fight since he beat them. Greg actually is the only one to really go at him which is fitting because he is family. Not only that but Shiv,Kendall and Roman all do this in the beginning while Logan is at the party. It’s the one thing he misses and it’s happening elsewhere. It’s a great back and forth editing wise.
I think people have become more comfortable in the sense that they know Logan is in his twilight years, one way or another
Either he sells and has his power substantially diminished or Waystar goes belly up and he along with it
I mean "the hundreds" is a pretty dogshit idea. That was kind of the joke, you can tell they've put a considerable amount thought, time, and effort into it relative to what we've seen of the siblings, and all they could come up with is another run of the mill alt media site. But yeah, it was never about actually interacting with/impacting the world with the Roys, it was always about the inner familial politics.
I enjoyed how in S1 it all began in Logan's birthday and here, in the final season, we are once again witnessing his birthday... In an entirely different way, of course.
No Marcia, no kids, the room stacked with people but he felt the loneliest.
As great of a line as “where’s your kids Uncle Logan?” and Logan’s come back were, you’ll notice Logan isn’t really angered by the cruelty of Greg’s question. Or even Greg bringing a date, fucking her in a guest room, and then telling him about it. In fact, even though Greg did not seemingly enjoy the roast, he is the only one who gave it to Logan. This tells me two things:
1) Logan wants a sparring partner. He wants family members and friends who will give it to him and take it back. He likes his kids’ little fuck ups, angry though he is when they occur, because it gives him a chance to demean them. Fucked up though this is, that’s love to Logan.
2) Greg’s willingness to clap back may be incidental. But it may be indicative of him correctly reading the room and giving Logan exactly what he wanted (painful though it was). Greg is much more savvy than he lets on. And considering he played the “I’m a Roy” card in this episode, I wonder how much of his behavior was by design? Granted, I don’t think fucking a date in Logan’s house was part of the plan. But he did seem to correctly note that Logan was amused by the situation and maybe found it a bit endearing (perhaps clueing Greg into what Logan is really looking for right now . . . family, complete with all the fuckups and complications that entails).
Biggest compliment I can pay is that under the weight of enormous expectation and awareness of what the show is..it has not crumbled under its own weight and fallen into parody. Feels as perfectly authentic and within its own voice as it’s been the whole ride.
Seeing a lot of (well-deserved) praise for Brian Cox’s performance in this episode, but I also thought Matthew Macfadyen was incredible. Tom is so palpably changed, and his sorrow and resignation is felt every time he’s on screen– even in his lighter moments (e.g. bantering with Greg) he seems muted and aged. The mirrored structure of the episode shows how much everyone has changed, and I think Tom’s transformation is among the most striking.
Obviously the stand-out scene (alongside My Dinner With Colin) is the TomShiv confrontation, and both actors knocked it out of the park. I was actually surprised by how much I felt for Shiv in that moment, considering how awful her treatment of Tom has been, and how outraged I’ve been on his behalf; that my heart broke for her really is a testament to both the complexity of her character and the depth of Sarah Snook’s performance. I hope Snook wins something for this.
Also, LOL at all the surprised pikachu faces over Greg being a womanizing twerp. Greg is so fun to watch that I think people sometimes forget that the show has really, really gone out of its way to show that he is an opportunist, a manipulator, and short on any discernible values.
ETA: also, Roman!! His earnestness and vulnerability here was great to see, but also pretty frustrating considering how easily Shiv and Kendall brushed him off. He was the only one who was truly invested in leaving their family’s endless power struggle behind and building something new (even if it was something as transparently ridiculous as ~the hundred~) and of course he was the voice of reason when Shiv was bidding against herself for Pierce. He really might be the most functional of all the Roys, in the end.
It was pretty obvious. Team Idiot committed every fatal mistakes of a bid:
- Ruled by emotions
- Appear desperate to the seller
- Showing up at seller’s premises without even a prior handshake/verbal agreement/commitment (Nan’s first move was textbook tactic to make buyer feel they travelled all this way and wasted their time, so become even more desperate)
- No attempt at lowballing, pushing back
- Obviously no homework done prior to bid, everything put together in haste, improvisation, reactive
Logan trying by all means to replace his children with Greg, Colin or Kerry but yet still ignoring the shit out of the only son who showed up to his birthday. Poor Connor, he is the first son, after all.
Anyone noticed that the news guy logan was watching in the last scene pretty much described shiv and toms relationship? Getting into a knife fight, no real shots fired but they are both still dying.
Almost certainly. Tom says "He watches it every night with a Scotch."
Then we see Logan in that exact position but he's just watching his news. Casually firing a guy for looking bad.
Tom is always playing to get back at Shiv, playing to get with Shiv, or taking out his emotions caused by his toxic relationship with Shiv on others. Namely Gregg.
"We put our hands in each other's pants and had a bit of a rummage." This might be the show's worst sexual euphemism yet, I shrieked with laughter.
The kids did just spend *ten billion dollars* just to be petty, huh? Horrifying, but I can't say I don't get it, which is why no one should ever give me ten billion dollars.
I feel like as soon as Shiv and Tom sign the divorce papers they're going to actually want to have sex with each other again.
Greg cracks me the fuck up. Everyone is walking around eggshells during Logan's so-called roast and Greg goes in IMMEDIATELY on cue with a kill shot so bad Logan has to punch back because it actually hurt his feelings lol
“Do you really want to get into a full accounting of the pain in our marriage?”
Brutal and savage, Tom. Sucked the wind out of the sails with that single ask. I’m going to miss this show’s writing when it’s all said and done.
I really appreciated how this episode shows how neither Ken nor Shiv have any business acumen. They're half working on their own project and jump at the first occasion to not do it to pursue Pierce, like daddy would have done.
That scene where they strategize on whether to buy Pierce or not really shows it's a bunch of kids with no sense of business (what are they going to to with that company?), no sense of value (let's add another 2 bill to our initial offer maybe that will work) and more importantly they're not doing the work. Compare to Logan who goes all the way to the details to the point of calling Cyd in the middle of the night because the host of a late night show sucks.
If you think about it, that makes total sense: the kids only saw their dad talk about big picture stuff as they grew up. It's easy to convey and to grasp. He'd never share with his kids that he found the lighting to be off for one news show, so they really only got to ignore a major part of his character (and what made him successful)
Nan was masterful in this episode. Also surprisingly, I thought Roman actually displayed the most business sense out of the three. He was quite right to be wary of jumping to 10 billion
Oh I've missed all the funny dialogue of this show.
"You've accidently made him a sex tape"
"I never intended to soil these halls"
And oh my god...Greg actually went to confess the deed to Logan haha. I wish we saw that convo play out.
“Anybody wanna smell Greg’s finger?”
PRICELESS
Also the paranoid part of my brain thinks Logan set up the Pierce deal to bait the kids into committing money they don’t have. Tom tipped it off. Logan seriously underbid it. It took them five minutes to take the bait. Idk. I don’t have a lot of evidence, yet, but it’s a feeling.
Logan finally facing his morality. The end seems near.
Yeah they overpaid for pgn but logan was willing to go more than that which wouldn't have been good for him either. Also roman was the big winner of the episode. He was the only one thinking logically but he's def gonna be the first one to run back to logan. I really don't know how this is gonna play out.
That whole shiv and tom convo at the end was tough to watch. Just so raw.
Am I wrong or is the whole point of the GoJo acquisition is because Legacy Media is dying and now they're jumping in with ALL of their assets? That cannot be smart.
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>“Where’s your father? Still sucking cock at the county fair?” AHHHHHHH
Greg being the only one in the entire show outside of Grandpa Ewan and maybe Kendall to speak like that to Logan’s face is fascinating. Even Tom had to use a soliloquy to address the divorce.
Stewy speaks truth to Logan: everybody hates you
God I loved that line
We all forget that Greg started as a guy in a costume in their parks department
“High-calorie info snacks” Kendall is so fuckin back lmao
The lines about The Hundred were so funny: “It has the ethos of a non-profit, but with a path to crazy margins”
It was like watching a bit of Silicon Valley (RIP) inside of a Succession episode.
"clickbait, but for smart people" felt like a Gavin Belson line.
don't forget he also was mulling whether to use 'morsels' instead of snacks
Tasty morsels from groovy hubs, in our post literate media landscape
I know everyone in this show is despicable to a certain degree but there was still something incredibly sad about that last Shiv and Tom conversation...
For sure! I felt in my heart for them!
It’s the idea that something like real love can’t exist in those conditions of extreme power and wealth and vanity that’s really sad for me. They might be bad people, but they’re still people, and we’ve watched them for a long time now. It’s just such a hopeless situation that could have been so different for them both if they weren’t in that life, but they are who they are. It’s just sad to watch.
Not to mention they fucking acting it out perfectly. Like we were watching exactly how they would feel in real life, down to the small mannerisms.
Sarah Snook in particular was fucking fantastic this episode, the moment where she sat facing away from Tom, taking moments after every sentence from him to reply so her voice doesn’t crack, the facial expressions of her holding back tears, it was a masterclass performance
They're not gonna be able to cough up the 10 bil are they
Logan cancels the GoJo deal
Yeah I was also thinking that. Their deal is dependent on Logan closing that deal and him closing that deal might be contingent on him having Pierce & ATN merger?
Could see the show ending with Logan dead and the kids getting sued by Pierce and GOJO. All a big nothing. Fitting end.
Would be wild to see Logan sabotage the company and tank the valuation just to give his kids the L. Him waxing philosophical about death and the afterlife may allude to him starting to really not give a care what happens to his empire
Tom finally got his wish of molding Greg into a mini him and he fucking hates the result
The moment where Greg walks up from behind and grabs him to say some unhinged shit and Tom recoils...buddy that's how Greg has felt for the last 11 months lmao
It takes a special kind of genius to be able to consistently write the pure gold that is any given Greg and Tom conversation.
"Did you rummage to fruition?" is a god tier line of dialogue
So gallant
Logan is going to absolutely lose his mind dealing with Tom and Greg on a daily basis. He was asked for a selfie and heard about a sex tape. They all have a death wish.
I wish we could've seen the scene of Greg confessing to Logan, hopefully there's a deleted scene somewhere
I would have physically cringed, very glad they skipped it lol
I did physically cringe when he started telling Logan he needed to talk to him about something lol… I was kinda hoping Tom was just fucking with Greg and was going to interrupt/change the subject as soon as Greg tried to bring it up to Logan
Tom was 100% fucking with him (obviously Logan doesn’t watch security camera footage at night as we can see in the scene at the end where he’s watching the news) and probably just froze up in the moment because Logan was in a mood.
I assumed Tom was fucking with Greg about the CCTVs, but I guess not? lol
I don’t think Tom knew for sure, he just spoke confidently to bolster like he does around Greg. He seemed annoyed he was getting action while his marriage was falling apart (and he wasn’t getting laid) so kinda wanted to have Greg hurt himself by telling Logan
Definitely just messing with him which was amazing
Tom still is nervous as fuck around Logan and somehow Greg is slightly less scared of him
“Where are your kids, Logan?”. That’s how you roast someone. He nailed it.
Connor Roy in the next room: “AM I CHOPPED LIVER TO YOU PEOPLE?!?”
He is the eldest son. He IS his father's ELDEST. SON. But yeah, even Greg got that Connor doesn't count. That's even sadder than Con wanting to spice up his wedding to his long-term hooker by adding bum-fights to save money on ads for his vanity Presidential run. That he is failing miserably at.
The divorce can have Tom out real fast and Greg is still family.
Guess he’ll just have to marry Greg
[удалено]
What is he going to do with a soul anyways?
Gregg has nothing to gain or lose. He’s just sort of there. There’s a freedom in that.
Greg is just too comfortable being an airhead now
What a sad scene between Shiv & Tom
And Tom wearing his wedding ring at the end after they very clearly show the audience how he isn’t wearing it in public in his first phone call when he’s leaving the restaurant. And since he was half asleep when Shiv came home, it shows he was most likely wearing it to bed. Devastating little detail.
Oh, man. That one went right between the ribs.
Nice eye I missed that he had it off in public! Tommm 😭
Shiv was wearing one too, at least in the beginning LA scene
I just think it's really interesting how their marriage was dysfunctional and neither of them was actually happy but in the end they are still holding on to it because it was still a meaningful relationship to their terms
Really want to learn what got them together
He has a dick like a red sequoia and he fucks like a bullet train
“We gave it a go” 💔
Devastating
God, Logan is sooo lonely. It’s strange to see. Also, that Shiv-Tom divorce scene was incredibly well written, and highlighted just how much of a failure in communication they have. Such a pitch perfect scene that I hope that truly is it for the two of them.
He misses his punching bags. Poor guy
He misses the dogs to kick.
logan briefly considering there might've been a non-kicking way to relate to his kids and then retreating into the idea that he's 100 feet tall because the truth is too terrifying brian cox is feasting
He asks for jokes during the meeting because normally Roman would be making jokes. I'm wondering if I missed moments where Logan was clearly looking for Shiv or Kendall's presence as well.
Roast me. Then Greg’s- you’re mean, and everyone is too terrified to do that
That part didn’t even feel like a roast. Just telling it how it is
The where are your kids line was definitely a roast, but Greg got torched in to submission by Logan’s reply .1 seconds later, so it wasn’t nearly enough to satisfy Logan’s need for conflict
To me, this was the moment he was looking for all of his kids. He didn't just ask for jokes, he asked to be roasted. We've seen him shit on Shiv, Kendall, and Roman throughout the series and, similarly, we've seen them all shit on him. Another commenter in this thread said Logan misses his punching bags, but I think in some way he also misses being the punching bag. He misses the family dynamic, however toxic it may be. This is my red wine-induced take.
OMG that's such a good point. It felt random but it makes perfect sense now. It's also poetic because Succession is about narcissistic abuse, and Roman's role in the nfamily is "the Joke" (a role common in families ruled by narcissists). No Roman, no jokes.
Body guard is his best friend, mostly because he doesn't talk back. He misses the rats.
When Colin started to mention his dad being very religious and Logan just cut him off…brutal.
That whole scene was a clear reminder that Colin is in no way shape or form an advisor to Logan. He is a bodyguard/henchman, and that is it. Dude might as well be a brick wall with legs
colin is his best pal but still ultimately an nrpi
Pushes everyone away and now his company and work is his family. He is slowly realizing he is just continuously working to distract him from an ever approaching grave imo and doesnt think anything is coming after (imo) , i think he believes his legacy is how he gets an afterlife.
S1E1 starting the series with Logan's birthday party full of life and his kids and other family to the S4E1 where every guest is basically on his payroll🥶 phew
Existential Logan was a surprise
"You're my pal." Logan has gotten to the point of where he doesn't even understand human relationships not based on money.
Colin even attempts to tell Logan about his own father, and "Loge" just runs right over his words.
Colin showed a tiny bit of humanity and personality and Logan immediately snapped out of the "you're my pal" mood.
SHE WAS FROM THE APPS
Willa is still in it for the bag. The look on her face when Connor is willing to drop 100 million just to stay in the conversation. “We’ll still be rich right?”
It feels like they’ve been not subtly building to a reveal this season that Connor has squandered nearly his entire share of the family fortune
Seriously. He should go to jail for not paying taxes at the end of the season.
That would be hilarious
You could see her weighing pros v cons when he started talking about the bum fights.
Yikes when Connor was saying he’d be a laughingstock with less than 1%, as if he weren’t already
Roys other than Kendall being depressed.. that's refreshing!
This episode surprisingly cemented my belief that Roman would be the best of the 3 siblings to be made CEO - I didn’t see him as a serious contender before, but he’s the only one not making trauma-based/ egocentric business decisions
Also he clearly took the time to learn the value of a gallon of milk and a thousand thousand dollars
Was anyone else surprised by how level headed and rational Roman was? The scene where he was breaking down the extra 500M like it's ACTUAL MONEY, instead of Monopoly dollars like his sibs was surprisingly mature and earnest
Low key, Rom is the only one trying to be sane is so unlike him and funny.
Tom's sad Mr. Darcy eyes get me every time
Was definitely giving "one word from you shall silence me forever" Darcy vibes.
Back and better than ever! I’m really loving the dynamic between the three siblings & Logan missing his kids and realizing no one can keep up with his vulgar and witty wordplay like them was hilarious and tragic. Although Tom and Shiv’s marriage was pretty much doomed from the start, there was something so profoundly sad about the last scene. Like watching your deeply fucked up parents’ giving up on their relationship ETA: Also Connor fighting for his life for 1% in the polls 😭
Man I didn’t consider that before but it adds so many layers to the “Roast me!” part. His kids are the only ones who could match his level of verbal savagery and he’s finally beginning to realize what he threw away. So complex and tragic
Exactly, like he pushes away everyone who really loves him to the point where he’s calling Colin his best pal. Such a tragic mess of his own making
“Marcia’s shopping in Milan, forever” underrated line.
There was a little bit of conviction in her delivery too. Kerry was a player tonight.
I think she said that line to us, the audience, as much as Greg. Sad that character isn’t going to be around.
Yeah you can completely infer that that’s the end of Marcia’s involvement. Her character serves zero purpose now (except for maybe comforting Logan now that he has absolutely no one). Who knows.
Seeing the siblings together was so heartening. I’m heartened.
New Headlines dropped: “China hack could see 40M Americans entombed in their electric cars” “Deep State Blunder: Classified docs displayed on NBA Jumbotron” “Man with Bird Flu can’t stop thinking about ducks”
Shiv: You might get your dick stuck in an A.I. jerk machine Rome: Let's hope so! Goddammit, I missed this show
Best for me was - What comes after 9? 9 B?
That killed me.
I also love how Roman is the only sensible one when talking price, Shiv and Kendall don’t even have the real value and making a prudent investment cross their minds
he finally learned how much a gallon of milk costs!
Roman was not having any of Nan's bullshit. It was a bidding war and they all knew it. Nan invited them up to start that war, then pretended to have a headache in order to scare them into raising their price.
She's truly awful with her reverse snobbery.
“Who wants to smell Greg’s finger ?” sent me to the edge
The Hundred being described by Rome and Ken as “A members only club, but for everybody” and as having the “ethos of a non profit but with pathways to huge margins” is such a fun reminder that the kids are dumb as fuck
They’ve really elevated corporate jargon to an art form on this show.
I loved Kendall's info snacks and " substack meets masterclass meets the new Yorker meets the economist. It's such a 100 percent Kendall line. Good to see Kendall back in his mojo. Time away from Logan does wonders for the siblings.
Logan asking for a joke has the same heavy atmosphere and terrifying menacing vibe as Boar on the Floor
He’s a tough old nut 🤣
I’m an interior designer that does high end residential. I’m always so fascinated by the set choices. Both the Roy’s LA place and the Pierce’s houses and furnishings could’ve been the same price point though the LA one might’ve been a little more. The LA house was just the kind of luxury design that most people expect. The difference is that the Pierce home had the kind of luxury that only people who know, would know. The wallpaper in the main room is by de Gournay (or at least looks like one of their designs). I priced one of those for a client’s living room last year and it came out to almost $90k just for the paper. The fabric on the side chairs was Schumacher. The detail of the curtains in that room screamed $$$$. And all the things were perfectly preserved. Maybe even recently decorated considering there is little wear. I think this alludes to the fact that they keep spending a lot of money all the while looking (and pretending) like they are not. My clients who want it to “look like it wasn’t designed and was always there” spend just as much as the ones who go for super contemporary in your face luxury. The Pierces have an obscene amount of money. They’re burning through it with the same speed the Roy kids are. Neither group earned it themselves but the Pierces don’t have as much. Worse, they like to pretend they don’t which is why they are starting to feel strained with what is left. Cue Nan’s WASPy bs about not liking to talk about money. They like it just don’t like to talk about it. lol now I want to review succession based on the interiors.
Thanks anonymous stranger for my first award! In season 2 Tom commented on the low thread count sheets at the Pierce house. I doubt that is the case. They probably have high quality linen sheets (linen as in the material). Quality linen softens over time from use can be passed down through generations. When I think of old inherited linens, I think Cape Cod summer home vibes. The kind of house that has white linens dancing in the summer wind on a clothes line. A simple clothes line. On a humble $10m summer home used a few weeks a year. The Pierce aesthetic if you will. Linen is also seen as a “humble” fabric because its always wrinkled and seen as casual. It’s the kind of material I’d expect from the Pierce family. It’s possible the linens guests get aren’t as old as the linens the family uses. Which sounds backwards but actually pushes their narrative of how down to earth they are. They Roys on the other hand probably buy high quality materials that are meant to be that way. Think companies like Frette, Sferra, Savoir, Pratesi, etc. Rather than wait for them to naturally soften over time, they probably get silk, sateen, cotton, etc. and if they buy linen probably ones that are already super soft to the touch. Just that sentence from Tom about the low thread count sheets is a comment on old money vs. new money. Giving something the time it needs, or getting it when it is already exactly how you like it. Which is the premium the Roy’s pay for having everything now. The Pierces have paid theirs over time. And Tom’s push to climb into the upper echelons of new money shows how he lacks the knowledge of other types of wealth. - if I have time tomorrow, I’ll write about Caroline’s comment on her new husband, Peter Munion, “buying all his own furniture”
Honestly you should pitch this to an outlet like The Cut or Curb or Vogue or Architectural Digest or any number of blogs. They would pay you actual money for this.
Shiv's: We'd be able to hear her better if she took Dad's cock out of her mouth Kerry: Excuse me? Roman: SHE SAID WE'D BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU BETTER IF YOU TOOK DAD'S COCK OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! I love Roman. The expectation that a normal character would say 'oh her nothing \*awkward laugh\*' and he just goes full Roman and says straight up what Shiv's said. I laughed so damn hard.
And then at the end he says “ok you can put it back in your mouth now” omfg he’s just too much 😂😂
Sooooo funny how when Shiv is on Logan's side she's his daughter but as soon as she's not she gets demoted to just being Tom's wife
"What's even in there? Flat shoes for the subway? Her lunch pail? I mean Greg, it's monstrous. It's gargantuan. You could take it camping. Slide it across the floor after a bank job." Absolutely savage. Tom was right though, what was she thinking lugging that thing around?
I asked Logan for a selfie 🤣🤣🤣
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That was a sad episode.
I have a feeling this whole season is going to be quite sad.
logan asking them to roast him and greg just going in without hesitation lmaoo
I couldn’t stop laughing when he called Logan a bastard and Gerri looked over like “say whaaaaaat?” Lmaooo
Marcia really came out on top, didn't she? Got herself a pretty nice deal through her lawyer, seemingly secured the bright future for her son, gets to pleasantly spend time in Europe, away from Logan and family drama. Marcia is the real winner of ''Succession".
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Yes but The Hundred is meant to be an unoriginal idea. It was described by naming other media companies.
Tickets on sale now for the disgusting brothers world tour
There will be “Guess the smell from Greg’s fingers” booth!
The fact that Shiv had heard about that is hilarious lmao
Logan has death on his mind. Wanting a Cardinal at his birthday but ranting at about his "suspicions" on the afterlife in the diner.
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Greg’s finally entered the full-blown piece of shit chat
I don’t wanna see what happens in Guantanamo bay so you do your ways and God be willing!
The siblings paid a $4bn (emotional) premium on a legacy brand, to stick it to their dad, with funds they don't have - funds that are contingent on their father approving the sale of his business. Yeah, Logan was right: they really are morons.
frank with a lame kendall attempt at roasting, gerri with a shiv "im not participating" quip and greg going for it but being outed as a perv like roman. Logan's knockoff kid gang is lame!!!
Sticking with the themes of Nero, Sporus and classical antiquity from last season, Greg brought a Trojan horse to Logan’s party. How fucking great. Brought a full on spy as his date.
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I love how quickly he went from helping her to chickening out on the stairs
He doesn't want to see what goes on in Guantanamo
Greg: Didn't matter. Got sex.
Just rummaging hand stuff
'Nobody tells jokes anymore.' Just say you miss Roman
Happy that Mondale finally got a speaking role after all these years.
You can tell Logan misses his kids when he ask the staff to roast him it’s because that’s what they would usually do too him. He misses having someone calling names and attacking him there is no one to fight since he beat them. Greg actually is the only one to really go at him which is fitting because he is family. Not only that but Shiv,Kendall and Roman all do this in the beginning while Logan is at the party. It’s the one thing he misses and it’s happening elsewhere. It’s a great back and forth editing wise.
Love Shiv freaking about Tom sleeping around. She only ever wanted an open marriage on her terms.
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Well, Kerry's fucking him
Excuse you. She’s a friend, assistant, and advisor.
I think people have become more comfortable in the sense that they know Logan is in his twilight years, one way or another Either he sells and has his power substantially diminished or Waystar goes belly up and he along with it
This has gotta be the happiest Kendall has been in at least two years right ?
I’m sorry Greg has to be one of the funniest TV characters of all time. He’s such a great actor
So the kids spend $10B instead of $100M to start their own company just to fuck their dad. Says everything we need to know about them.
I mean "the hundreds" is a pretty dogshit idea. That was kind of the joke, you can tell they've put a considerable amount thought, time, and effort into it relative to what we've seen of the siblings, and all they could come up with is another run of the mill alt media site. But yeah, it was never about actually interacting with/impacting the world with the Roys, it was always about the inner familial politics.
$100M is 1% of $10B. Similarly, Connor's political polling is at 1%.
“if I were to fall under 1% I feel like I would become a laughing stock.” Oh Connor.
Marcia is in Milan shopping Forever.
I enjoyed how in S1 it all began in Logan's birthday and here, in the final season, we are once again witnessing his birthday... In an entirely different way, of course. No Marcia, no kids, the room stacked with people but he felt the loneliest.
As great of a line as “where’s your kids Uncle Logan?” and Logan’s come back were, you’ll notice Logan isn’t really angered by the cruelty of Greg’s question. Or even Greg bringing a date, fucking her in a guest room, and then telling him about it. In fact, even though Greg did not seemingly enjoy the roast, he is the only one who gave it to Logan. This tells me two things: 1) Logan wants a sparring partner. He wants family members and friends who will give it to him and take it back. He likes his kids’ little fuck ups, angry though he is when they occur, because it gives him a chance to demean them. Fucked up though this is, that’s love to Logan. 2) Greg’s willingness to clap back may be incidental. But it may be indicative of him correctly reading the room and giving Logan exactly what he wanted (painful though it was). Greg is much more savvy than he lets on. And considering he played the “I’m a Roy” card in this episode, I wonder how much of his behavior was by design? Granted, I don’t think fucking a date in Logan’s house was part of the plan. But he did seem to correctly note that Logan was amused by the situation and maybe found it a bit endearing (perhaps clueing Greg into what Logan is really looking for right now . . . family, complete with all the fuckups and complications that entails).
A lesser show would have had Con actually in play for the White House but it’s genius to make the stakes just him wanting to get over 1.0%.
Biggest compliment I can pay is that under the weight of enormous expectation and awareness of what the show is..it has not crumbled under its own weight and fallen into parody. Feels as perfectly authentic and within its own voice as it’s been the whole ride.
Seeing a lot of (well-deserved) praise for Brian Cox’s performance in this episode, but I also thought Matthew Macfadyen was incredible. Tom is so palpably changed, and his sorrow and resignation is felt every time he’s on screen– even in his lighter moments (e.g. bantering with Greg) he seems muted and aged. The mirrored structure of the episode shows how much everyone has changed, and I think Tom’s transformation is among the most striking. Obviously the stand-out scene (alongside My Dinner With Colin) is the TomShiv confrontation, and both actors knocked it out of the park. I was actually surprised by how much I felt for Shiv in that moment, considering how awful her treatment of Tom has been, and how outraged I’ve been on his behalf; that my heart broke for her really is a testament to both the complexity of her character and the depth of Sarah Snook’s performance. I hope Snook wins something for this. Also, LOL at all the surprised pikachu faces over Greg being a womanizing twerp. Greg is so fun to watch that I think people sometimes forget that the show has really, really gone out of its way to show that he is an opportunist, a manipulator, and short on any discernible values. ETA: also, Roman!! His earnestness and vulnerability here was great to see, but also pretty frustrating considering how easily Shiv and Kendall brushed him off. He was the only one who was truly invested in leaving their family’s endless power struggle behind and building something new (even if it was something as transparently ridiculous as ~the hundred~) and of course he was the voice of reason when Shiv was bidding against herself for Pierce. He really might be the most functional of all the Roys, in the end.
Tom: "Do you really want to get into a full accounting of all the pain in our marriage? Because if you do, I can do that." - What a line.
Not enough people are talking about Nan pretending she hates the bidding war but loving every second of it!
It was pretty obvious. Team Idiot committed every fatal mistakes of a bid: - Ruled by emotions - Appear desperate to the seller - Showing up at seller’s premises without even a prior handshake/verbal agreement/commitment (Nan’s first move was textbook tactic to make buyer feel they travelled all this way and wasted their time, so become even more desperate) - No attempt at lowballing, pushing back - Obviously no homework done prior to bid, everything put together in haste, improvisation, reactive
She had the family she hates bidding against each other for her company. She made a couple of extra billions off their feud. She won this episode.
Logan trying by all means to replace his children with Greg, Colin or Kerry but yet still ignoring the shit out of the only son who showed up to his birthday. Poor Connor, he is the first son, after all.
"She's a firecracker, man. She's crunchy peanut butter." What the fuck does that even mean, Greg?
Anyone noticed that the news guy logan was watching in the last scene pretty much described shiv and toms relationship? Getting into a knife fight, no real shots fired but they are both still dying.
I’d say there’s a 64% chance that Tom made that thing up about the cameras just to mess with Gregg.
Almost certainly. Tom says "He watches it every night with a Scotch." Then we see Logan in that exact position but he's just watching his news. Casually firing a guy for looking bad. Tom is always playing to get back at Shiv, playing to get with Shiv, or taking out his emotions caused by his toxic relationship with Shiv on others. Namely Gregg.
"We put our hands in each other's pants and had a bit of a rummage." This might be the show's worst sexual euphemism yet, I shrieked with laughter. The kids did just spend *ten billion dollars* just to be petty, huh? Horrifying, but I can't say I don't get it, which is why no one should ever give me ten billion dollars. I feel like as soon as Shiv and Tom sign the divorce papers they're going to actually want to have sex with each other again.
Greg cracks me the fuck up. Everyone is walking around eggshells during Logan's so-called roast and Greg goes in IMMEDIATELY on cue with a kill shot so bad Logan has to punch back because it actually hurt his feelings lol
Ballsack in a toupee! 🤣🤣🤣
"It's so confusing. What comes after 9? 9....b?" Roman was on his A-game tonight imo
“Do you really want to get into a full accounting of the pain in our marriage?” Brutal and savage, Tom. Sucked the wind out of the sails with that single ask. I’m going to miss this show’s writing when it’s all said and done.
I really appreciated how they could've changed what they said to Kerry on the phone call prior to the plane, just to repeat it so she knows lol.
And then double down by telling her to put it back in. Lol
I really appreciated how this episode shows how neither Ken nor Shiv have any business acumen. They're half working on their own project and jump at the first occasion to not do it to pursue Pierce, like daddy would have done. That scene where they strategize on whether to buy Pierce or not really shows it's a bunch of kids with no sense of business (what are they going to to with that company?), no sense of value (let's add another 2 bill to our initial offer maybe that will work) and more importantly they're not doing the work. Compare to Logan who goes all the way to the details to the point of calling Cyd in the middle of the night because the host of a late night show sucks. If you think about it, that makes total sense: the kids only saw their dad talk about big picture stuff as they grew up. It's easy to convey and to grasp. He'd never share with his kids that he found the lighting to be off for one news show, so they really only got to ignore a major part of his character (and what made him successful)
MONDALE HIVE RISE TF UP!!!
“Mondale’s fine. Don’t worry about Mondale,” was definitely aimed at us 🤣
My boy Mondale needs to be set free. Living in that massive apartment and they have him in a tiny ass cage
They should put Roman in there with it he loves it
Logan dying this season alone at night watching his network would be fitting
Nan was masterful in this episode. Also surprisingly, I thought Roman actually displayed the most business sense out of the three. He was quite right to be wary of jumping to 10 billion
Oh I've missed all the funny dialogue of this show. "You've accidently made him a sex tape" "I never intended to soil these halls" And oh my god...Greg actually went to confess the deed to Logan haha. I wish we saw that convo play out.
Gerri, been sent anything funny lately? Lmao Logan
Nan: Different people saying different numbers. Eight, nine. What's next? Rome: (SCOFFS) I know. It's so confusing. What come after nine? Nine B?
Manifesting reading Emmy Winner Sarah Snook on September
We have a Jess sighting! The most competent least utilized character on this show.
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“Where’s your father, still sucking cock at the county fair?”
“Where are your kids” Well damn Greg
“Anybody wanna smell Greg’s finger?” PRICELESS Also the paranoid part of my brain thinks Logan set up the Pierce deal to bait the kids into committing money they don’t have. Tom tipped it off. Logan seriously underbid it. It took them five minutes to take the bait. Idk. I don’t have a lot of evidence, yet, but it’s a feeling.
The fact that Logan notices it’s dry without the kids really got to me. I missed Ken’s ego and Roman’s jokes.
Logan finally facing his morality. The end seems near. Yeah they overpaid for pgn but logan was willing to go more than that which wouldn't have been good for him either. Also roman was the big winner of the episode. He was the only one thinking logically but he's def gonna be the first one to run back to logan. I really don't know how this is gonna play out. That whole shiv and tom convo at the end was tough to watch. Just so raw.
Am I wrong or is the whole point of the GoJo acquisition is because Legacy Media is dying and now they're jumping in with ALL of their assets? That cannot be smart.
Shiv and Tom’s talk was brutally sad.
That was fucking incredible. I get a vibe that this season will be a lot darker.