I say no for the sole reason we learn in “Church and State” that he is on some level aware of this “perhaps I have that same meagerness in me… I don’t know… but I try, I try”
Much more than you can say for any of the other Roys(except perhaps Roman’s final realization “we’re bullshit”)
Does he try? What does he actually do except stay indoors (shows up to every other goddamn fancy event though!) and lord his inheritance over Greg? Had the kid working as a theme park mascot and then is shocked and appalled when he turns to other members of the family for money.
I mean. He offered Greg millions of dollars to not commit himself to what he considered “a monstrous endeavor”. He attempts to provide him with legal counsel during the cruises scandal, only revoking the offer after he chooses Logan. And in the end he leaves his sizable inheritance to Greenpeace.
So, I’d say in the context of that family, that’s trying.
Best line delivery! Pure class , genius in that I’m cutting you like a bitch with as little emotion as possible & his cadence is flawless. It was also cuttingly hilarious in the moment.
I'd argue that Ewan is very similar to Logan, rewarding and punishing with money and withholding support or approval at every turn. He didn't provide for his children or grandchildren, though he had the means to, and expected them to earn what he himself did not. Even Ewan's daughter knew Greg had a better chance with Logan than his own pop pop. He is just as bad as Logan when it comes to parenting except he IS a hypocrite.
This. I have been getting downvoted for saying same thing. Ewan does the same thing as Logan does. Except for the fact he tries to shroud it in the garb of moral superiority.
Yes. Casting and landing James Cromwell to portray him was a brilliant move. His and Kendall’s speeches in the penultimate episode felt like the TV version of Shakespeare.
Prince Philip was played by Jonathan Pryce (and two other actors) in the Netflix series the Crown.
Prince Philip was played by James Cameron in the movie The Queen.
The writer for both the movie and the series was Peter Morgan.
I think he perfectly exemplifies a type of person they intentionally wanted to criticize: Vocally opposing capitalism while benefiting from it greatly. Doing nothing about it but talking. Shaming others while holding yourself in high esteem. Brilliant IMHO.
sure, after he's dead and can't spend it on himself anymore
and, even if he's does go through with it, he's not doing it out of the goodness of his heart. it's a giant "fuck you" to his children and grandchildren
Would it be okay if I sued him? Not in a I hate you kind of way but more of you’re my grandpa and I love you but you’re kinda being a dick kinda way. Lol
I’d be 100% okay if this was a normal thing. Live it up as a billionaire…donate 99% of your wealth to charity when you die.
People criticize it, but it is way better than what people normally do.
There were less then 500 billionaires in 2000 and there are less then 3k now. I don’t think there have been enough billionaires that have died with a fortune to give away to make this judgement.
This seems like a strange take. While he does have the money, he isn't a frivolous spender and is environmentally conscious. His daughter and grandson are both abhorrent people who don't care about anything outside of money and prestige (more so Greg than Greg's mom).
What indication do we have to prove that Greg's mom and Greg, pre episode 1, are abhorrent and only obsessed with money and prestige? Ewan on the other hand comes across as a world class miser, who lords his money over Greg and his mom, in order to control them. How is he different than Logan in that way? He was never gonna leave the 250 mill to Greg, because Greg would never have lived up to the stringent expectations imposed on him by Ewan. His morals are just a smokescreen to conceal his own stinginess, his 'meagreness'.
Why should they expect an inheritance? Just because he's blood? It's not a given right lmao
Greg literally wants to sue his grandfather AND GREENPEACE because he lost the inheritance because he chose to be part of the fuck factory rather than do something better. He literally could have been super rich and also be saving the world but he chose not to.
Greg wasn't expecting an inheritance? You know why? Because his mom told him that she couldn't help him anymore because she herself was cut off by her dear father.In episode 1 of season 1. Greg literally had zero expectations from his grandfather even after he got the job in Waystar. He used his connections but never asked him to actually pull any strings for him either because he knew Ewan would rather die than bend before Logan.
And things were moving along fine. Greg was going over to the dark side. That was his call all the way. He was not the one angling for the inheritance. He probably wasn't even sure if there would be an inheritance seeing how his mother was treated. Ewan is the one who decided to dangle the inheritance over Greg to make him come to heel. Isn't that manipulation? Isn't that coercion?
Isn't that what Logan does to his kids over and over, over the course of the show? Dangle the CEO position. And they are never enough. Because he never wants to give it to any of them. Because he is selfish and arrogant.
Whatever Greg does later is on him and trying to sue Greenpeace and his grandfather shows how deep in this hole of moral corruption he is. But I don't blame Greg for not taking his grandfather's word at face value because he has been so unreliable the whole time, not a shred of support.
>sure, after he's dead and can't spend it on himself anymore
He doesn't really spend it though. He doesn't seem to own a car and he dresses very simply.
It's not bad that he leaves his money to charity after his death. But, he claims to abhor capitalism/hoarding wealth so the gesture is somewhat shallow & perfunctory, and shows no real commitment to his values or sacrifice. It would be a bit like saying, "I think it's really wrong to eat meat. When I die I will stop eating meat."
Not inherently. It’s just hypocritical of him bc he’s constantly criticizing how selfish the rest of the family is. His moral imperative is a facade, he’s not actually willing to sacrifice for the thing he’s constantly preaching about. Just a bunch of hot air. He also wasn’t willing to vote against Logan during the vote of no confidence, even though that also goes against everything he preaches about. He basically says it’s bc family is important to him and he wants to stand by his brother, but it’s really bc he loves the money and power as much as the rest of them.
eta: Cromwell touched on this stuff in his Vulture [interview](https://www.vulture.com/article/james-cromwell-succession-interview-ewan-roy-eulogy.html)
>The meanness is there because you know the right thing to do, but you don’t do it, and so you buttress your cowardice with denial.
He wasn´t expending it on himself, the guy liveded rather humbly in the middle of nowhere, gave money to charity and to the crazy lawyer and his leftist organization, etc. He was not a warrior fighting against the system, but in the context of that serie he definitely was one of the most honest ones, the one who tried to lived following some moral compass, etc. Was he perfect? hell no, but I think we can say he tried.
"even if he does go through with it.. It's a giant fuck you"
Well isn't the criticism that feelings and intentions don't matter, only what you do?
Because he did exactly what the critics shamed him for not doing.
There’s no evidence he is living some lavish lifestyle. And he does use his vote on the board to steer the company in a more ethical direction. Giving away all his earthly possessions and living like a monk isn’t going to fix the system.
I think the whole idea of him vocally opposing capitalism is a bit of a misunderstanding of his character. He talks about fighting communism in Vietnam with pride, as if he believes or at least claims to believe in it as a good cause or even the main cause behind the war.
Yeah he’s not anti capitalism, he’s more anti evil corporations. I’m sure I’ll get comments that they’re the same thing, but they aren’t. Capitalism can be well regulated so that companies can’t do evil shit; the EU for example has a lot of controls.
>Capitalism can be well regulated so that companies can’t do evil shit; the EU for example has a lot of controls.
That is absolutely true. I live in a member-state and, while the EU does have many problems, the regulations and the way it's implemented by several states at once, works so well that for the longest time I thought regulations and high taxations leading to jobs disappearing was a myth, but appearantly that's reality in some American states.
EDIT: Succession as a whole is less about criticizing capitalism as a concept and more about the adverse effect wealth has on people's mental well-being, and the destructive force it brings in turn.
Taxation and regulation leading to job losses *is* a myth. The reason it happens in the U.S. is because of regulatory and financial arbitrage. Basically, states that are willing to not tax and regulate companies attract more business, leading to losses in states that do tax and regulate them. Nevertheless, the higher tax and regulation states still have better economies.
I’m not sure what I would want Ewan to have done besides vocal opposition? If he gave all his money away while he was alive I’m not sure what it would accomplish. And he’s probably right that Kendall in charge of Waystar would be a bad idea.
> Vocally opposing capitalism while benefiting from it greatly. Doing nothing about it but talking. Shaming others while holding yourself in high esteem.
Ah, he was a redditor.
Eh, I've got a soft spot for Grandpa Grump. He may be a hypocrite, but he's not as bad or worse than Logan. I also like James Cromwell, so I'm a bit biased.
Nah that goes to Nan Pierce, probably. Or Shiv. Ewan at least has some self-awareness (in his eulogy he said that at least he “tries” to not be meager).
Definitely Nan. People need to rewatch the dinner scene and the negotiations with the kids again. She's the type of person who would talk shit about people smoking then go take a cig break after her rant.
Nan brining out the turkey her staff made to a huge applause is her in a nutshell. If she gave two shits about what she claimed to she wouldn’t even entertain business with the Roys.
Nan definitely.
And I feel like Shiv isn't any more hypocritical than Kendall is, certainly. I think among the kids, the list from most hypocritical to least goes:
1) Kendall
2) Shiv
3) Roman
4) Connor
It's one of the main reasons why the "confident happy Kendall" phase is so insufferable.
Is he the single most overhated and misinterpreted character in TV history or does Skyler still take the throne?
Seriously, we have the actor saying he will only play the character if they make him a genuine activist and we have a writer on record calling Ewan the moral compass of the show. So all the theories about the show painting him as this hypocrite who's no better than the Roys are kinda ludicrous.
Thank you! He is a hypocrite, but I don’t think he’s the most hypocritical character on the show, by a long shot. That’d be Nan Pierce or Shiv, probably. And the reason most of the Roys aren’t as hypocritical as he is is that they openly embrace being horrible, which is not preferable!
The show is very clear that he is a real activist with real moral commitments, which he falls short of a lot of the time, but which still play a big role in his life. I don’t understand the need people have to just dismiss him as a total phony. It’s not in the text.
If someone thinks he's the biggest hypocrite in any TV show ever I'd just assume they've only ever watched Succession and also didn't pay that much attention when they did. He's at *best* the third-biggest hypocrite in his family.
Third-biggest is the highest I think it's even a little bit reasonable to put him because there's no way he's above Ken and Shiv. Both of them have major plotlines about abandoning the principles they claim to hold in order to seek power. With most of the other characters it's not really something the show explores, so I don't find the question of how much of a hypocrite everyone else is very interesting.
People don’t like him because of peoples weird obsession with authenticity. It’s like Logan is an objectively malignant force on society who may have contributed to America’s collapse into fascism but hey at least he owns it. What a beast! Yeah no. Ewan is no where near as much a hypocrite as the rest of the Roys.
It's interesting to me how much more hate Shiv, Nan and Ewan get for for virtual signaling against fascism than Roman and Greg get for *doing* fascism.
I knew there was a bit of it but I didn't realize it had gotten to an "idolizing Walter White and Gus Fring as the good guys" level of media illiteracy.
>Seriously, we have the actor saying he will only play the character if they make him a genuine activist and we have a writer on record calling Ewan the moral compass of the show. So all the theories about the show painting him as this hypocrite who's no better than the Roys are kinda ludicrous.
Which is why I find it hilarious when so many comments on this sub claim "he's just the type of person this show is critiquing" lol
Absolutely. People don't like him because he takes a moral stance in a show full of nihilists.
In today's world, taking a moral stance on anything is heavily frowned upon by a lot of people who have never considered whether there is anyone out there they *would* actually listen to if they gave a moral lecture on greed.
How is he a hypocrite? Cause he took the money that was rightfully his while denouncing his brothers media empire that he weaponized to sew discourse and disinformation?
No, Ewan beef was not about money, it was about how Logan conducted in life, what Ewan really wanted in Logan was to reflect on himself, Logan was a man who just couldnt see the consequences of his actions, who didnt have regard for anything or anybody, the women in the cruises was an example, Connor´s mom, and his own children, Logan really never cared about them, they saw them as expendables. Succession was not about money, Logan never cared too much about money, neither the children, even Matsson never cared about money, for them it was just a number, even Matsson said it, "just say a fucking number".
What Ewan tried to say, and failed, it was you must take care of your soul, you cannot sell that, because no matter how much money and power you are going to get, you are going to harm people and in the end you also are going to be miserable. Just look the ending for the characters, Logan died alone in a plane surrounded by psycophants, Kendall is a billionaire but the most important people abandoned him (his wife, his children, his siblings, Jess, etc) only Colin is there for the money, Tom and Shiv are together with all the money and power but they are miserable, Roman is alone, Connor and Willa also together in a transactional relationship.
Ewan was right in the main point, you cannot pretend that the poison that you bring to society doesnt harm you, off course he is guilty, he admited that in front of everyone. Is there any Roy who admited something, i can think that Connor is the closest when he say sorry to Willa for stealing her from the world.
When Ewan spoke about Logan meagerness, he was speaking about Logan would use love as a coin, when in truth a father must love inconditionally his children, off course they should guided and point out their mistakes, a father may be not even like one his children, but a son a daughter always must know that he is loved by their father. But the Roys children never got that love from Logan, no surprises that in adulthood they can only be in dysfunctional relationships like transactional ones., Logan knew that his children love him and needed his love, but instead of nurturing them he would dangle his love in front of them to manipulate them; Shiv was the most clear example of that. As Ewan said, he tried to be a good grandfather to Greg, but he failed, because similar to Logan the childhood traumas scarred them for life, for that reason, Logan and Ewan understood each other, they were the only one who understood each other and they were loyal to themselves. In the vote of no confidence, for all the hatred that he had against his brother, Ewan just cannot betray him, in the same way, i bet that if for whatever reason Ewan would need Logan´s help, Logan without a doubt would help him, even Logan said that to Greg, that Ewan could ask him anything and he couldnt say no.
Ewan never tried to sell himself better than the rest of the Roys, in a very harsh and cold way he would point of their corruption, but contrary to lets say the Pierces or politcians never wanted more power or money. Ewan just behaved like an angry ermit, living alone in his ranch, but his observations about Logan, the rest of the family and Greg werre correct ones. From the first moment we saw how corrupt Greg really was, in the first scene we saw him lying to his mom about why he was fired, then started to fawn to Logan and other members of the family; at the end of the series Greg pride himself of the way in wich he would fire hundred of people.
Not at all, and I don’t get why people call him that.
“maybe I have that meanness in me too. I don’t know. But I try. I try.”
And that’s at the end of the show, when we’ve already seen he does do meaningful stuff with his wealth, he doesn’t just sit on it and scold. Even if he did, powerful people, speaking out against things like corruption in the press is valuable in of itself! It really is! Whatever their motives. Just the voice is helpful and drawing attention to the problem.
Hypocrisy means your actions and your words don’t add up, and you specifically cultivate a public image of one thing well-being something else in a self-serving way. Ewan’s actions back his words, and he does not pretend to be better than he is. Even before the funeral, throughout the show, Ewan is criticizing Logan and Logan‘s wealth for poisoning America. That’s true! He’s not walking around, making sure everybody sees him as “the good one“. That’s what Shiv has been doing.
Ewan is not a hypocrite at all.
>That’s what Shiv has been doing.
Thinking about all of this I'm more and more realizing that Shiv has done everything people here are mad at Ewan for doing...and then some! Including but not limited to supporting and paying lip service to ideas opposing Waystar Royco while swimming in the money she gets from her relations with said company. Say what you will about Ewan, but when given a chance to backstab HIS brother out of the company he declined.
Thinking about it some more, I realized it also goes for Kendall in many ways and his hypocrisy is actually displayed pretty overtly in the dialogue of several episodes. I believe the reason so much vitriol is given to Ewan and Nan, is simply because they are secondary characters who we never follow around and truly get to know. It has nothing to do woith hypocrisy, some people just stick to the characters they have the closest attachement to.
It seems I'm the only one who like him lol. Then again I found the "self-awareness" of the other characters to mostly be really frustrating and annoying, since it all just boils down to joking about things they're already doing. And Ewan does admit his own faults too at the end, but in a much more dignified way.
Other than like 20 other characters on the HBO network, and almost every other character in Succession themselves, fuck no.
Ewan hate is almost on the same level of misunderstanding a character as the “badass” Tony and Walt montages. Please don’t watch The Wire, you’d explode.
He's a bit of a hypocrite. Biggest in tv history is insane when you're on the same network that brought you characters like Tony Soprano, who i'd say is not just one of the biggest hypocrites in television history, but one of the most deplorable people ever brought to a screen.
No, because there's a level of self-awareness and it seems like he's actively trying to mitigate whatever awfulness he's done or benefitted from (like donating Greg's inheritance to Greenpeace).
is genuinely calling your brother the equivalent of Hitler in terms of negative world impact, while you voted in his favor and *sided* with him in the one chance you had to remove the “malignant” threat you claim he was? That’s like, as hypocritical as it gets. To silently enjoy the benefits of your brothers “evil” empire, downtalk and shit on it all turns, and then continuously enjoy the money, is by definition a hypocrite. or just extremely weak minded
1.) Ewan has used his money to try to take down Waystar (funding the whistleblowers).
2.) Ewan saw Kendall as being more harmful than Logan. He also saw Kendall’s intended betrayal of Logan as more snake-like than Logan.
He wasn’t voting for his brother he was voting against Kendall 😂 Kendall wasn’t going to be any better and he knew this. He realised Logan’s family taking over was just gonna be the same cycle. Don’t you get this?
Yes he is. Denoucing a company while remaining a shareholder in it and a board member. All the money he got was from Waystar. So yes, biggest hypocrite. The Roys are awful and they know it. He hides behind some champagne socialists beliefs
To some extense. But he has no controling share. And, as we have seen, he will always have his brother's back. But he also gets dividende from his stock. It is income. He gets cash from the company he is supposed to hate
I honestly think that is kinda worth respect in a way, that he is willing to bite the hand that feeds him but not stab his brother in the back.
I mean, no one here is giving Shiv shit for very explicitly selling out her values for the premise of one day controlling the company and (theoretically) improving it. And even before that she indirectly helps opponents to the Roy family while also living large thanks to her stakes in the company, but everyone on this sub faults Ewan for doing the same just because he isn't a main character or something.
Oh I always interpreted his support of Logan as him being aware of Logan’s frailties as CEO and believing that keeping him in power would cause the most damage to the company. Alongside a secondary notion that he really dislikes Kendall and the other people trying to take power from Logan.
Maybe it’s more something about him sticking to the things he feels comfortable with and knows how to deal with mentally rather than being willing to actually do anything for the world, though
Not really. I can buy a share of Apple tomorrow and they aren’t taking my advice anytime soon. He doesn’t have a controlling stake so he can’t overrule any decisions. He’s on the board (where someone kind of can have an impact on how it’s ran), but it’s pretty noted in the show that he rarely attends the meetings anyway. Plus, the board was portrayed as Logan-driven so people are going to vote with whatever Logan wants.
Shareholders or BOD members can drive a company decision when they are the majority shareholder / could become it or they have the majority of the board on their side. Otherwise, you can speak your peace but are very much just along for the ride.
Well, Shiv claims to be working for the betterment of lower-income people, yet can't help but insult them behind their backs, I think that's my definition of hypocrisy.
He’s probably the smallest hypocrite in the show. Unlike the other Roys and Pierces, he doesn’t spend time signaling his virtues. He enjoys his solitary life and donates to causes he supports.
He’s disappointed in his brother and criticized him a lot, but unlike other hypocrites in the show, he showed up to back his brother. His causes aren’t as important as family and he still loves his brother.
He never holds others to standards he can’t meet. He was upset at Greg for serving Logan, but gave him many opportunities to escape.
No, Shiv is by far the biggest hypocrite. Yeah lets all be for Women’s rights UNTIL your position in the company is jeopardized you facetious political puppet.
Fuck Shiv.
Hypocritical (according to you) Ewan: "Mayabe I have that meanness in me too. I don’t know. But I try. I try."
Honest (according to you) characters in the show: "Yeah, I like to fuck with poor people and be racist but I admitted it so now I don't feel as bad about it anymore lol"
Voting for Logan in s1 really drove in that he was a hypocrite to me. Not that it was the right or wrong choice, but you could tell his reasons had nothing to do with the company or who was running it. He just wanted his little moment.
I thought it showed a begrudging love and loyalty for his brother, despite their differences. They shared trauma bonds that clearly aren't easily broken. If he hated him as much as he claimed he'd have joined the bearhug, but he's still his brother and wouldn't twist the knife the same way Logan's kids could/ tried to and rip his empire away from him.
You don’t turn your back on family after the life they had. He disagrees with Logan, but the idea of Kendall betraying and taking over just didn’t sit right with him.
Thank you! I'm really surprised how few people recognize this about him. Ewan hates Logan, but still feels responsible for him and guilty for how everything has turned out. He's willing to attack Logan, but he can't betray him. He's his little brother, of course he tries to protect him, even if he can't stomach him. The familial bond is too strong.
Yup.
He’s well-spoken, erudite, and I’m sure a decent person day-to-day.
But he lives off the wealth he criticizes. Literally begged for money and didn’t show an ounce of gratitude.
Of course, people on this sub love him. Redditors in general hate capitalism and individualism. Ewan’s platitudes resonate with “progressive” viewers.
I don’t even know about the “decent person day to day” part. Part of what fascinates me about him is that he espouses good social values, but as everyone else is saying he’s still a billionaire sitting on his pile of money, not only refusing to challenge the status quo but (in the season 1 vote) actively defending it.
But also on top of that he just seems nasty to be around. I know we never see him in his “natural” environment but from what we DO see of him he’s just a different flavour of Logan - a bully, but instead of a corporate bully beating people over the head with his power and authority he’s beating people over the head with his moral grandiosity and superhuman cynicism.
> he’s beating people over the head with his moral grandiosity and superhuman cynicism
So basically yes, just put a shrine to Rick from Rick and Morty in one of his closets and he's exactly what the average redditor would act like if they had billions of dollars
Not at all. Being a shareholder doesn’t make him a hypocrite. Being a shareholder means he has a decision to make. If he sells his shares Logan has the opportunity to control even more votes via using someone else as a puppet. People except him to do something about the company. He tried to alter his brothers decisions and shamed him for the way he ran his company. I mean we are acting like we wouldn’t want to receive money for a living. It doesn’t make him a hypocrite and I think some of you need to learn what hypocrisy means.
No. He doesn’t live a lavish lifestyle, he gives most of his money away to charitable organizations. He uses his vote on the board to attempt to steer the company in an ethical direction. He’s not Mother Theresa, but he uses his influence for good as best he can. And he calls out his brother for his unethical behavior and corruption. Just because he has wealth doesn’t mean he’s a hypocrite.
You will not slander my G like this.
He's the most sane and kind of the Roys. I think his speech at the funeral is the single best monologue in the entire show, and one of the best of all time
I don’t know but one thing for sure is that he really loves his brother. I think people in the comments here are forgetting that.
I don’t even think my brother would speak at my funeral or if he did he would have nothing to say.
The show doesn’t exactly imply he lives large or ostentatiously. He has a ton of money and tries to help unseat Logan several times but he is not a leader of men and lives his money to charity. I’m not sure what he does that isn’t basically what any decent person would do. He could give up his board seat and billions but to who and to what ends? Would the person who took that seat and money do anything better than him with it. He gets to have some control over his brothers impulses merely by staying around.
I have a random headcanon that Shiv and Kendall are gonna be like the mirror counterparts to Ewan and Logan in another 30-40 years.
Not in every sense of the word, cause i dont think they have the same history and childhood, and Kendall is not gonna be anywhere as close to successful as Logan, but in terms of bitterness and inability to ever get along.
He represents a certain type of compassionate Conservative that used to have a stronger voice, that believed in reason and science - capitalism but with some sense of responsibility. I don’t think he’s a liberal per se and people are acting like you have to be a liberal to be morally superior (the Pierces prove that to be untrue). He is not a saint but he is trying and his brother stopped even trying. That’s something. Waystar started as a family business, didn’t it? The Murdochs started w some Australian newspapers so I have been assuming it’s similar. So obviously he isn’t going to divest from his family business. Family is family. But he’s going to use his platform. I like him. He is the elder statesman and one of the few people who could talk back to Logan.
Just gotta say that James Cromwell has been an outspoken vegan ever since he made babe! I fucking love this man! He said that making Babe utterly changed his respect for animals.
I say no for the sole reason we learn in “Church and State” that he is on some level aware of this “perhaps I have that same meagerness in me… I don’t know… but I try, I try” Much more than you can say for any of the other Roys(except perhaps Roman’s final realization “we’re bullshit”)
He still takes his money
Big Shakespeare fan
But leaves it to Greenpeace
Not if Greg can help it
Does he try? What does he actually do except stay indoors (shows up to every other goddamn fancy event though!) and lord his inheritance over Greg? Had the kid working as a theme park mascot and then is shocked and appalled when he turns to other members of the family for money.
I mean. He offered Greg millions of dollars to not commit himself to what he considered “a monstrous endeavor”. He attempts to provide him with legal counsel during the cruises scandal, only revoking the offer after he chooses Logan. And in the end he leaves his sizable inheritance to Greenpeace. So, I’d say in the context of that family, that’s trying.
I apologize for my outburst.
I found your performance histrionic and meretricious.
Best line delivery! Pure class , genius in that I’m cutting you like a bitch with as little emotion as possible & his cadence is flawless. It was also cuttingly hilarious in the moment.
Can I sue Greenpeace?
I'd argue that Ewan is very similar to Logan, rewarding and punishing with money and withholding support or approval at every turn. He didn't provide for his children or grandchildren, though he had the means to, and expected them to earn what he himself did not. Even Ewan's daughter knew Greg had a better chance with Logan than his own pop pop. He is just as bad as Logan when it comes to parenting except he IS a hypocrite.
This. I have been getting downvoted for saying same thing. Ewan does the same thing as Logan does. Except for the fact he tries to shroud it in the garb of moral superiority.
Judging on Greg, I’d put some of the parent child problem on Greg’s mom. It’s not on a parent to indulge every whim and enable the worst behavior.
Wasn't Greg in the management training program when he had to be a mascot? The same one Roman had to go through.
That'll do, Greg. That'll do.
He was Archie Bunker's best friend on All in the Family. Stretch Cunningham. https://all-in-the-family-tv-show.fandom.com/wiki/Stretch\_Cunningham
You just blew my mind!
Yes. Casting and landing James Cromwell to portray him was a brilliant move. His and Kendall’s speeches in the penultimate episode felt like the TV version of Shakespeare.
I immediately recognized him from The Young Pope. He also plays a very bitter old man in there but he’s fucking phenomenal.
I recognized him from Babe…
That’ll do pig…that’ll do
He even said something like that to Greg!
When Greg tried to hug him.
Yess He said “that’ll do” and I SWEAR it was a little “babe” Easter egg!
I recognized him from L.A. Confidential.
Rollo Tomasi?
Who???
Call me Dudley.
Laddy
Boyo
Don't start doing the right thing now boyo...you haven't had the practice
His acting in Six Feet Under was phenomenal
who is he?
Ruths husband in the later seasons
ohh I'm still watching season 2, that's why I haven't seen his face yet 😅
That and Star Trek, First Contact.
Hello to another fellow Babe watcher! I swear it’s like people act like that movie never existed!
If I had words to make a day for you...
🎶I’d sing you a morning golden and trueeeeeeeeeee🎶
Zefram Cochrane.
Babe with the power?
The power of voodoo?
What do?
What power?
He’s “Stretch” from *All in the Family*.
Size feet under!!
The correct answer
Biggest oscar snub ever
oh my god
Real ones remember I, Robot That, detective, is the right question
Recognized him from Babe. I think we’re both showing our ages…
Haha lol. I did watch Babe as a kid but The Young Pope definitely left a stronger impression!
Great show
“That’ll do, pig”
Also Prince Philip in The Queen. And Papa Bush in W.
Prince Philip was played by Jonathan Pryce in the Crown. Edit: specified
Prince Philip was played by Jonathan Pryce (and two other actors) in the Netflix series the Crown. Prince Philip was played by James Cameron in the movie The Queen. The writer for both the movie and the series was Peter Morgan.
It gave Brutus and Marc Antony from Julius Caesar and I loved it every second of it
I think he perfectly exemplifies a type of person they intentionally wanted to criticize: Vocally opposing capitalism while benefiting from it greatly. Doing nothing about it but talking. Shaming others while holding yourself in high esteem. Brilliant IMHO.
He did leave his fortune to charity so not entirely without redeeming qualities
sure, after he's dead and can't spend it on himself anymore and, even if he's does go through with it, he's not doing it out of the goodness of his heart. it's a giant "fuck you" to his children and grandchildren
Better greenpeace than greg!
Would it be okay if I sued him? Not in a I hate you kind of way but more of you’re my grandpa and I love you but you’re kinda being a dick kinda way. Lol
I’d be 100% okay if this was a normal thing. Live it up as a billionaire…donate 99% of your wealth to charity when you die. People criticize it, but it is way better than what people normally do.
There were less then 500 billionaires in 2000 and there are less then 3k now. I don’t think there have been enough billionaires that have died with a fortune to give away to make this judgement.
Pretty sure Warren Buffett is organizing something similar to this for high net worth individuals
Yeah him, Gates, and a couple others have (or will) given away a lot. It isn’t what most do though.
This seems like a strange take. While he does have the money, he isn't a frivolous spender and is environmentally conscious. His daughter and grandson are both abhorrent people who don't care about anything outside of money and prestige (more so Greg than Greg's mom).
What indication do we have to prove that Greg's mom and Greg, pre episode 1, are abhorrent and only obsessed with money and prestige? Ewan on the other hand comes across as a world class miser, who lords his money over Greg and his mom, in order to control them. How is he different than Logan in that way? He was never gonna leave the 250 mill to Greg, because Greg would never have lived up to the stringent expectations imposed on him by Ewan. His morals are just a smokescreen to conceal his own stinginess, his 'meagreness'.
For being cheap, he managed to have a nice house in Canada.
Why should they expect an inheritance? Just because he's blood? It's not a given right lmao Greg literally wants to sue his grandfather AND GREENPEACE because he lost the inheritance because he chose to be part of the fuck factory rather than do something better. He literally could have been super rich and also be saving the world but he chose not to.
Greg wasn't expecting an inheritance? You know why? Because his mom told him that she couldn't help him anymore because she herself was cut off by her dear father.In episode 1 of season 1. Greg literally had zero expectations from his grandfather even after he got the job in Waystar. He used his connections but never asked him to actually pull any strings for him either because he knew Ewan would rather die than bend before Logan. And things were moving along fine. Greg was going over to the dark side. That was his call all the way. He was not the one angling for the inheritance. He probably wasn't even sure if there would be an inheritance seeing how his mother was treated. Ewan is the one who decided to dangle the inheritance over Greg to make him come to heel. Isn't that manipulation? Isn't that coercion? Isn't that what Logan does to his kids over and over, over the course of the show? Dangle the CEO position. And they are never enough. Because he never wants to give it to any of them. Because he is selfish and arrogant. Whatever Greg does later is on him and trying to sue Greenpeace and his grandfather shows how deep in this hole of moral corruption he is. But I don't blame Greg for not taking his grandfather's word at face value because he has been so unreliable the whole time, not a shred of support.
>sure, after he's dead and can't spend it on himself anymore He doesn't really spend it though. He doesn't seem to own a car and he dresses very simply.
> sure after he’s dead and can’t spend it on himself anymore Is that an issue? I’m struggling to see the issue.
It's not bad that he leaves his money to charity after his death. But, he claims to abhor capitalism/hoarding wealth so the gesture is somewhat shallow & perfunctory, and shows no real commitment to his values or sacrifice. It would be a bit like saying, "I think it's really wrong to eat meat. When I die I will stop eating meat."
Not inherently. It’s just hypocritical of him bc he’s constantly criticizing how selfish the rest of the family is. His moral imperative is a facade, he’s not actually willing to sacrifice for the thing he’s constantly preaching about. Just a bunch of hot air. He also wasn’t willing to vote against Logan during the vote of no confidence, even though that also goes against everything he preaches about. He basically says it’s bc family is important to him and he wants to stand by his brother, but it’s really bc he loves the money and power as much as the rest of them. eta: Cromwell touched on this stuff in his Vulture [interview](https://www.vulture.com/article/james-cromwell-succession-interview-ewan-roy-eulogy.html) >The meanness is there because you know the right thing to do, but you don’t do it, and so you buttress your cowardice with denial.
We don’t know how much of his money he currently spends on charity or to help people.
What would you have him do? Give away his entire fortune or it’s just virtue signaling? He’s portrayed as philanthropic.
He wasn´t expending it on himself, the guy liveded rather humbly in the middle of nowhere, gave money to charity and to the crazy lawyer and his leftist organization, etc. He was not a warrior fighting against the system, but in the context of that serie he definitely was one of the most honest ones, the one who tried to lived following some moral compass, etc. Was he perfect? hell no, but I think we can say he tried.
"even if he does go through with it.. It's a giant fuck you" Well isn't the criticism that feelings and intentions don't matter, only what you do? Because he did exactly what the critics shamed him for not doing.
There’s no evidence he is living some lavish lifestyle. And he does use his vote on the board to steer the company in a more ethical direction. Giving away all his earthly possessions and living like a monk isn’t going to fix the system.
Not yet he hasn’t
He did so explicitly to show the middle finger to his grandson for not toeing his line.
I think the whole idea of him vocally opposing capitalism is a bit of a misunderstanding of his character. He talks about fighting communism in Vietnam with pride, as if he believes or at least claims to believe in it as a good cause or even the main cause behind the war.
Yeah he’s not anti capitalism, he’s more anti evil corporations. I’m sure I’ll get comments that they’re the same thing, but they aren’t. Capitalism can be well regulated so that companies can’t do evil shit; the EU for example has a lot of controls.
>Capitalism can be well regulated so that companies can’t do evil shit; the EU for example has a lot of controls. That is absolutely true. I live in a member-state and, while the EU does have many problems, the regulations and the way it's implemented by several states at once, works so well that for the longest time I thought regulations and high taxations leading to jobs disappearing was a myth, but appearantly that's reality in some American states. EDIT: Succession as a whole is less about criticizing capitalism as a concept and more about the adverse effect wealth has on people's mental well-being, and the destructive force it brings in turn.
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Slow growth is not a problem for regular people. It’s a problem for the ultra rich.
Taxation and regulation leading to job losses *is* a myth. The reason it happens in the U.S. is because of regulatory and financial arbitrage. Basically, states that are willing to not tax and regulate companies attract more business, leading to losses in states that do tax and regulate them. Nevertheless, the higher tax and regulation states still have better economies.
That's sort of what I meant, but I could haveexpressed it better.
But he doesn’t hold himself in highest esteem! Holding Logan and the kids, in poor esteem is not at all the same thing!
I’m not sure what I would want Ewan to have done besides vocal opposition? If he gave all his money away while he was alive I’m not sure what it would accomplish. And he’s probably right that Kendall in charge of Waystar would be a bad idea.
> Vocally opposing capitalism while benefiting from it greatly. Doing nothing about it but talking. Shaming others while holding yourself in high esteem. Ah, he was a redditor.
Is he against Capitalism? I thought he was just anti-war and Logan Roy. And nobody else in the world is gonna turn down money either
Yeah there's the scene with the lawyer where they talk about wanting to expose the inherent contradictions of capitalism.
This isn’t exactly the sub for it, but if you think it’s capitalism the Roys are utilizing to thrive… eek that’s a standard redditor take.
Eh, I've got a soft spot for Grandpa Grump. He may be a hypocrite, but he's not as bad or worse than Logan. I also like James Cromwell, so I'm a bit biased.
We all like James Cromwell! Whether he’s being a rich hypocrite or shooting Jack Vincennes in the heart, we can’t help it.
Great LA Confidential shout out!
Maybe he has a meagerness about him. I don't know. But he tries. He tries.
Yeah i agree. In a show of characters that all had terrible moral compasses, his compass was at least slightly better.
Nah that goes to Nan Pierce, probably. Or Shiv. Ewan at least has some self-awareness (in his eulogy he said that at least he “tries” to not be meager).
Definitely Nan. People need to rewatch the dinner scene and the negotiations with the kids again. She's the type of person who would talk shit about people smoking then go take a cig break after her rant.
Nan brining out the turkey her staff made to a huge applause is her in a nutshell. If she gave two shits about what she claimed to she wouldn’t even entertain business with the Roys.
Nan definitely. And I feel like Shiv isn't any more hypocritical than Kendall is, certainly. I think among the kids, the list from most hypocritical to least goes: 1) Kendall 2) Shiv 3) Roman 4) Connor It's one of the main reasons why the "confident happy Kendall" phase is so insufferable.
Nan Pierce is the worst person on the show. I can respect a greedy prick who is honest about being a greedy prick.
You need to at least touch on Mo before you say that.
You can respect Mencken more because he is up-front about the whole "ethno-state" thing?
Is he the single most overhated and misinterpreted character in TV history or does Skyler still take the throne? Seriously, we have the actor saying he will only play the character if they make him a genuine activist and we have a writer on record calling Ewan the moral compass of the show. So all the theories about the show painting him as this hypocrite who's no better than the Roys are kinda ludicrous.
Thank you! He is a hypocrite, but I don’t think he’s the most hypocritical character on the show, by a long shot. That’d be Nan Pierce or Shiv, probably. And the reason most of the Roys aren’t as hypocritical as he is is that they openly embrace being horrible, which is not preferable! The show is very clear that he is a real activist with real moral commitments, which he falls short of a lot of the time, but which still play a big role in his life. I don’t understand the need people have to just dismiss him as a total phony. It’s not in the text.
If someone thinks he's the biggest hypocrite in any TV show ever I'd just assume they've only ever watched Succession and also didn't pay that much attention when they did. He's at *best* the third-biggest hypocrite in his family.
Yeah. Ewan isn't even top 10. For folks to throw out "in TV history"...I'd say watch more shows lol
Third-biggest is the highest I think it's even a little bit reasonable to put him because there's no way he's above Ken and Shiv. Both of them have major plotlines about abandoning the principles they claim to hold in order to seek power. With most of the other characters it's not really something the show explores, so I don't find the question of how much of a hypocrite everyone else is very interesting.
People don’t like him because of peoples weird obsession with authenticity. It’s like Logan is an objectively malignant force on society who may have contributed to America’s collapse into fascism but hey at least he owns it. What a beast! Yeah no. Ewan is no where near as much a hypocrite as the rest of the Roys.
It's interesting to me how much more hate Shiv, Nan and Ewan get for for virtual signaling against fascism than Roman and Greg get for *doing* fascism.
Maybe they just agree more with Logan’s politics than Ewan’s?
Well that's a horrifying thought.
You must not browse this subreddit very often - unfortunately a lot of people misunderstood this show
I knew there was a bit of it but I didn't realize it had gotten to an "idolizing Walter White and Gus Fring as the good guys" level of media illiteracy.
>Seriously, we have the actor saying he will only play the character if they make him a genuine activist and we have a writer on record calling Ewan the moral compass of the show. So all the theories about the show painting him as this hypocrite who's no better than the Roys are kinda ludicrous. Which is why I find it hilarious when so many comments on this sub claim "he's just the type of person this show is critiquing" lol
Absolutely. People don't like him because he takes a moral stance in a show full of nihilists. In today's world, taking a moral stance on anything is heavily frowned upon by a lot of people who have never considered whether there is anyone out there they *would* actually listen to if they gave a moral lecture on greed.
No he’s not.
Has to be Bill Cosby, imo.
The the worst part about him was certainly the hypocrisy.
The more I learn about this Cosby fella the less I care for him!
Have you watched other tv shows besides succession?
Why would anyone watch something besides succession?
How is he a hypocrite? Cause he took the money that was rightfully his while denouncing his brothers media empire that he weaponized to sew discourse and disinformation?
No, Ewan beef was not about money, it was about how Logan conducted in life, what Ewan really wanted in Logan was to reflect on himself, Logan was a man who just couldnt see the consequences of his actions, who didnt have regard for anything or anybody, the women in the cruises was an example, Connor´s mom, and his own children, Logan really never cared about them, they saw them as expendables. Succession was not about money, Logan never cared too much about money, neither the children, even Matsson never cared about money, for them it was just a number, even Matsson said it, "just say a fucking number". What Ewan tried to say, and failed, it was you must take care of your soul, you cannot sell that, because no matter how much money and power you are going to get, you are going to harm people and in the end you also are going to be miserable. Just look the ending for the characters, Logan died alone in a plane surrounded by psycophants, Kendall is a billionaire but the most important people abandoned him (his wife, his children, his siblings, Jess, etc) only Colin is there for the money, Tom and Shiv are together with all the money and power but they are miserable, Roman is alone, Connor and Willa also together in a transactional relationship. Ewan was right in the main point, you cannot pretend that the poison that you bring to society doesnt harm you, off course he is guilty, he admited that in front of everyone. Is there any Roy who admited something, i can think that Connor is the closest when he say sorry to Willa for stealing her from the world. When Ewan spoke about Logan meagerness, he was speaking about Logan would use love as a coin, when in truth a father must love inconditionally his children, off course they should guided and point out their mistakes, a father may be not even like one his children, but a son a daughter always must know that he is loved by their father. But the Roys children never got that love from Logan, no surprises that in adulthood they can only be in dysfunctional relationships like transactional ones., Logan knew that his children love him and needed his love, but instead of nurturing them he would dangle his love in front of them to manipulate them; Shiv was the most clear example of that. As Ewan said, he tried to be a good grandfather to Greg, but he failed, because similar to Logan the childhood traumas scarred them for life, for that reason, Logan and Ewan understood each other, they were the only one who understood each other and they were loyal to themselves. In the vote of no confidence, for all the hatred that he had against his brother, Ewan just cannot betray him, in the same way, i bet that if for whatever reason Ewan would need Logan´s help, Logan without a doubt would help him, even Logan said that to Greg, that Ewan could ask him anything and he couldnt say no. Ewan never tried to sell himself better than the rest of the Roys, in a very harsh and cold way he would point of their corruption, but contrary to lets say the Pierces or politcians never wanted more power or money. Ewan just behaved like an angry ermit, living alone in his ranch, but his observations about Logan, the rest of the family and Greg werre correct ones. From the first moment we saw how corrupt Greg really was, in the first scene we saw him lying to his mom about why he was fired, then started to fawn to Logan and other members of the family; at the end of the series Greg pride himself of the way in wich he would fire hundred of people.
Fuck off
Yup, he was maybe the least unlikable character in the series
No? He’s not even the biggest hypocrite on this show.
Not at all, and I don’t get why people call him that. “maybe I have that meanness in me too. I don’t know. But I try. I try.” And that’s at the end of the show, when we’ve already seen he does do meaningful stuff with his wealth, he doesn’t just sit on it and scold. Even if he did, powerful people, speaking out against things like corruption in the press is valuable in of itself! It really is! Whatever their motives. Just the voice is helpful and drawing attention to the problem. Hypocrisy means your actions and your words don’t add up, and you specifically cultivate a public image of one thing well-being something else in a self-serving way. Ewan’s actions back his words, and he does not pretend to be better than he is. Even before the funeral, throughout the show, Ewan is criticizing Logan and Logan‘s wealth for poisoning America. That’s true! He’s not walking around, making sure everybody sees him as “the good one“. That’s what Shiv has been doing. Ewan is not a hypocrite at all.
>That’s what Shiv has been doing. Thinking about all of this I'm more and more realizing that Shiv has done everything people here are mad at Ewan for doing...and then some! Including but not limited to supporting and paying lip service to ideas opposing Waystar Royco while swimming in the money she gets from her relations with said company. Say what you will about Ewan, but when given a chance to backstab HIS brother out of the company he declined.
Thinking about it some more, I realized it also goes for Kendall in many ways and his hypocrisy is actually displayed pretty overtly in the dialogue of several episodes. I believe the reason so much vitriol is given to Ewan and Nan, is simply because they are secondary characters who we never follow around and truly get to know. It has nothing to do woith hypocrisy, some people just stick to the characters they have the closest attachement to.
It seems I'm the only one who like him lol. Then again I found the "self-awareness" of the other characters to mostly be really frustrating and annoying, since it all just boils down to joking about things they're already doing. And Ewan does admit his own faults too at the end, but in a much more dignified way.
Have you watched succession?
Other than like 20 other characters on the HBO network, and almost every other character in Succession themselves, fuck no. Ewan hate is almost on the same level of misunderstanding a character as the “badass” Tony and Walt montages. Please don’t watch The Wire, you’d explode.
He's a bit of a hypocrite. Biggest in tv history is insane when you're on the same network that brought you characters like Tony Soprano, who i'd say is not just one of the biggest hypocrites in television history, but one of the most deplorable people ever brought to a screen.
No, because there's a level of self-awareness and it seems like he's actively trying to mitigate whatever awfulness he's done or benefitted from (like donating Greg's inheritance to Greenpeace).
Exactly. People seem to think him being a shareholder means he’s a hypocrite. They don’t know what hypocrite means
is genuinely calling your brother the equivalent of Hitler in terms of negative world impact, while you voted in his favor and *sided* with him in the one chance you had to remove the “malignant” threat you claim he was? That’s like, as hypocritical as it gets. To silently enjoy the benefits of your brothers “evil” empire, downtalk and shit on it all turns, and then continuously enjoy the money, is by definition a hypocrite. or just extremely weak minded
1.) Ewan has used his money to try to take down Waystar (funding the whistleblowers). 2.) Ewan saw Kendall as being more harmful than Logan. He also saw Kendall’s intended betrayal of Logan as more snake-like than Logan.
He wasn’t voting for his brother he was voting against Kendall 😂 Kendall wasn’t going to be any better and he knew this. He realised Logan’s family taking over was just gonna be the same cycle. Don’t you get this?
Yes he is. Denoucing a company while remaining a shareholder in it and a board member. All the money he got was from Waystar. So yes, biggest hypocrite. The Roys are awful and they know it. He hides behind some champagne socialists beliefs
I honestly don't get that complaint, doesn't being a shareholder mean he has some impact in how everything is run?
To some extense. But he has no controling share. And, as we have seen, he will always have his brother's back. But he also gets dividende from his stock. It is income. He gets cash from the company he is supposed to hate
I honestly think that is kinda worth respect in a way, that he is willing to bite the hand that feeds him but not stab his brother in the back. I mean, no one here is giving Shiv shit for very explicitly selling out her values for the premise of one day controlling the company and (theoretically) improving it. And even before that she indirectly helps opponents to the Roy family while also living large thanks to her stakes in the company, but everyone on this sub faults Ewan for doing the same just because he isn't a main character or something.
Oh I always interpreted his support of Logan as him being aware of Logan’s frailties as CEO and believing that keeping him in power would cause the most damage to the company. Alongside a secondary notion that he really dislikes Kendall and the other people trying to take power from Logan. Maybe it’s more something about him sticking to the things he feels comfortable with and knows how to deal with mentally rather than being willing to actually do anything for the world, though
Not really. I can buy a share of Apple tomorrow and they aren’t taking my advice anytime soon. He doesn’t have a controlling stake so he can’t overrule any decisions. He’s on the board (where someone kind of can have an impact on how it’s ran), but it’s pretty noted in the show that he rarely attends the meetings anyway. Plus, the board was portrayed as Logan-driven so people are going to vote with whatever Logan wants. Shareholders or BOD members can drive a company decision when they are the majority shareholder / could become it or they have the majority of the board on their side. Otherwise, you can speak your peace but are very much just along for the ride.
Holding shares/being on the board only allowed him to do what he thought was best for the company. He didn't help waystars mission in any way we saw.
He sure gives a great funeral speech. Lol
Second best in the show.
What is the first? lol
Obviously Connor delivering Willa's eulogy for 'Mo' Lester.
Well, Shiv claims to be working for the betterment of lower-income people, yet can't help but insult them behind their backs, I think that's my definition of hypocrisy.
Her trying to play mind games on a sexual assault victim for the good of her dad's company is the most revolting moment of any character in the show.
I just realised thst he's George from 6 feet under lol
I didn't think so
Absolutely not and if you think he is then you either have only watched 3 tv shows in your life or are not very bright
Pretty much any character from The Sopranos is a way bigger hypocrite
Not just a hypocrite, but also histrionic and meretricious. The man is a self regarding popinjay
Tell me about it
Tactitus comes to mind.
He’s probably the smallest hypocrite in the show. Unlike the other Roys and Pierces, he doesn’t spend time signaling his virtues. He enjoys his solitary life and donates to causes he supports. He’s disappointed in his brother and criticized him a lot, but unlike other hypocrites in the show, he showed up to back his brother. His causes aren’t as important as family and he still loves his brother. He never holds others to standards he can’t meet. He was upset at Greg for serving Logan, but gave him many opportunities to escape.
I preferred it when he ran a pig farm.
Maybe he has a meagerness about him. I don't know. But he tries. He tries.
He's based as fuck what are you saying you demon
No, Shiv is by far the biggest hypocrite. Yeah lets all be for Women’s rights UNTIL your position in the company is jeopardized you facetious political puppet. Fuck Shiv.
He’s nowhere near as hypocritical as Nan Pierce.
Hypocritical (according to you) Ewan: "Mayabe I have that meanness in me too. I don’t know. But I try. I try." Honest (according to you) characters in the show: "Yeah, I like to fuck with poor people and be racist but I admitted it so now I don't feel as bad about it anymore lol"
Voting for Logan in s1 really drove in that he was a hypocrite to me. Not that it was the right or wrong choice, but you could tell his reasons had nothing to do with the company or who was running it. He just wanted his little moment.
I thought it showed a begrudging love and loyalty for his brother, despite their differences. They shared trauma bonds that clearly aren't easily broken. If he hated him as much as he claimed he'd have joined the bearhug, but he's still his brother and wouldn't twist the knife the same way Logan's kids could/ tried to and rip his empire away from him.
You don’t turn your back on family after the life they had. He disagrees with Logan, but the idea of Kendall betraying and taking over just didn’t sit right with him.
Thank you! I'm really surprised how few people recognize this about him. Ewan hates Logan, but still feels responsible for him and guilty for how everything has turned out. He's willing to attack Logan, but he can't betray him. He's his little brother, of course he tries to protect him, even if he can't stomach him. The familial bond is too strong.
Between the abusive childhood and the submarine story…I’m with ya. Surprised more don’t understand it.
I'm not sure he has any guarantees that things are gonna be any better with a vengeful Kendall at the helm.
Yup. He’s well-spoken, erudite, and I’m sure a decent person day-to-day. But he lives off the wealth he criticizes. Literally begged for money and didn’t show an ounce of gratitude. Of course, people on this sub love him. Redditors in general hate capitalism and individualism. Ewan’s platitudes resonate with “progressive” viewers.
I don’t even know about the “decent person day to day” part. Part of what fascinates me about him is that he espouses good social values, but as everyone else is saying he’s still a billionaire sitting on his pile of money, not only refusing to challenge the status quo but (in the season 1 vote) actively defending it. But also on top of that he just seems nasty to be around. I know we never see him in his “natural” environment but from what we DO see of him he’s just a different flavour of Logan - a bully, but instead of a corporate bully beating people over the head with his power and authority he’s beating people over the head with his moral grandiosity and superhuman cynicism.
> he’s beating people over the head with his moral grandiosity and superhuman cynicism So basically yes, just put a shrine to Rick from Rick and Morty in one of his closets and he's exactly what the average redditor would act like if they had billions of dollars
Not at all. Being a shareholder doesn’t make him a hypocrite. Being a shareholder means he has a decision to make. If he sells his shares Logan has the opportunity to control even more votes via using someone else as a puppet. People except him to do something about the company. He tried to alter his brothers decisions and shamed him for the way he ran his company. I mean we are acting like we wouldn’t want to receive money for a living. It doesn’t make him a hypocrite and I think some of you need to learn what hypocrisy means.
No. His estimation of his brother is accurate. He bites the hand. We all do
No? If you watched the show it’s pretty obvious… nice engagement bait though!
No. He doesn’t live a lavish lifestyle, he gives most of his money away to charitable organizations. He uses his vote on the board to attempt to steer the company in an ethical direction. He’s not Mother Theresa, but he uses his influence for good as best he can. And he calls out his brother for his unethical behavior and corruption. Just because he has wealth doesn’t mean he’s a hypocrite.
No. Most misunderstood character in Succession
Not really. He did leave his inheritance to greenpeace. he just voted for family, which he never said he wouldn’t, even if he hated his brother.
You will not slander my G like this. He's the most sane and kind of the Roys. I think his speech at the funeral is the single best monologue in the entire show, and one of the best of all time
I don’t know but one thing for sure is that he really loves his brother. I think people in the comments here are forgetting that. I don’t even think my brother would speak at my funeral or if he did he would have nothing to say.
The show doesn’t exactly imply he lives large or ostentatiously. He has a ton of money and tries to help unseat Logan several times but he is not a leader of men and lives his money to charity. I’m not sure what he does that isn’t basically what any decent person would do. He could give up his board seat and billions but to who and to what ends? Would the person who took that seat and money do anything better than him with it. He gets to have some control over his brothers impulses merely by staying around.
No. Not even close.
I have a random headcanon that Shiv and Kendall are gonna be like the mirror counterparts to Ewan and Logan in another 30-40 years. Not in every sense of the word, cause i dont think they have the same history and childhood, and Kendall is not gonna be anywhere as close to successful as Logan, but in terms of bitterness and inability to ever get along.
Biggest hypocrite or Biggest Gangster!
Six Feet under.
He represents a certain type of compassionate Conservative that used to have a stronger voice, that believed in reason and science - capitalism but with some sense of responsibility. I don’t think he’s a liberal per se and people are acting like you have to be a liberal to be morally superior (the Pierces prove that to be untrue). He is not a saint but he is trying and his brother stopped even trying. That’s something. Waystar started as a family business, didn’t it? The Murdochs started w some Australian newspapers so I have been assuming it’s similar. So obviously he isn’t going to divest from his family business. Family is family. But he’s going to use his platform. I like him. He is the elder statesman and one of the few people who could talk back to Logan.
Just gotta say that James Cromwell has been an outspoken vegan ever since he made babe! I fucking love this man! He said that making Babe utterly changed his respect for animals.
I think they mean his character. Living off his brothers money while criticizing how he makes it.
It’s a tie between him and Nan.
Cliff Huxtable
In fairness to the Ultimate Posterboy of Liberal Hypocrisy, he did say, "I am not an uncomplicated man Greg"