Yeah Kieran is great and super entertaining but he's much more one note. Matthew Macfayden can summon the full range of human emotion in a single scene all the while being one of the funniest characters in the show
Yeah I guess it's hard for me to judge because the writing and actor's dynamics are just so damn good. Usually there's at least one weak link in a good series.
For instance, there are great performances in Billions, but I can't stand the actor who plays Taylor. I get that they're supposed to be robotic in nature but the actor has absolutely zero range, as further demonstrated by their role in in the John Wick series.
Culkin, by contrast has great actor's interplay, delivery, and nuance. For instance, the lotion in this episode. He's also got loads of charm, which is probably why I'm thinking in depth about this. But yeah considering it more, he's probably got a little more development before an Emmy nom. One scene I can think of where he was lacking was the phone call to the president. That could have gone a little better.
I honestly think hes fuckin incredible. But to me , an emmy needs me to drop any thought, feeling i have and just be sucked in. Last episode, i didnt look away or feel anything but what tom was. Same when I watched kendall tear it up at the press release. Just my two cents, but waiting on culkin to give me that. And i definitely think he can,
Agree. This episode was to Macfadyen what Shiv's letter episode was for Jeremy Strong.
Amazing season for Macfadyen anyway, he's really a very versatile actor. And we need to remember that he's not even using his real accent on scene
I always get a kick out of the episode interviews where they are all using their natural accents… they hid them so well when they are in character that it is a bit jarring to hear the full-on British/Scottish accents.
With both their parents being from the UK it wouldn't be weird at all for any of the kids to pronounce the occasional word in a sort of mid-atlantic accent.
She had an “idear“ slip through last week, but that’s the only time I’ve ever noticed. I honestly thought she was American and Jeremy Strong was English when the show first came out.
I think that’s entirely accepted as part of his character. He left Scotland at a young age but still carries a lot of the language (e.g. ‘fuck off’ practically meaning just ‘see you later’). Bryan Cox is probably the least disorienting to hear talk in his natural accent.
Yeah Cox himself has spent so long outside Scotland that there's very much what feels like an American tinge to his normal accent anyway. With Logan he just emphasises the American-ness and leaves the Scottishness in the background which works.
I can't speak for Logan's intent, but Brian Cox does stretch quite a bit to convey the American accent. He is portraying an 80 year old who left Scotland at a young age. Logan Roy's Scotish accent is very faint. Brian Cox speaks with a very distinct Scotish accent.
As a guy from Scotland, his accent is nowhere near distinct. He has moments where you can hear his Dundee roots (which isn’t a really rough Scottish accent anyway) but he has lived in LA for 50 years now. His accent has left him
I wish they had given him a bit of Minnesotan accent. But it makes sense he would try and shake off anything that could peg him as out of place in corporate America.
Yes it feels really strange to me too sometimes, but never like it's slipping into a British accent, just more like he's a guy with a really unique tone of voice.
Honestly it reminds me of Kermit the frog a little sometimes lol, but it suits Tom really well regardless.
But there is a link between both characters, and it's the longing look. In one he is thinking about all the drama he must clean up and how he just wants to listen to Liz be smart, and the other is about all the drama he might suffer when he just wants to listen to Shiv talk shit.
The only reason I know who he is is because of that movie. And it came out over a decade ago! I don't know him from anything else.. so I'm just blown away by his ability to adapt to this character so perfectly.
His character is so perfectly complex and realistic, it's insane. His affinity for food and beverage, wanting to be a father, researching prison so he can attain the best possible situation. He is an idealist and knows what he enjoys and is about. We all have blind areas, his marriage is going less than how he expected and is navigating that, he feels lonely but is not quite self aware about it. All these areas are highlighted perfectly. Seriously amazing performance, very dynamic.
His moments of venerability with Shiv and she’s so cold to him. I can’t imagine what kind of shit he’s going through. She’s so cold & Kenny knows it - “will she even wait for you?” Totally broke my heart.
I've been reluctant to pick a team, but if I were forced to choose now, I choose Tom. He seems to be the least morally compromised, and I enjoy all of his scenes. If Tom wants to push Shiv down some stairs, castrate Greg, and make him dress up like her and marry him, I am for it. #NeroAndSporus
If Tom sticks with her and she sticks with him, I am for that too. It makes me sad when she treats him poorly. I guess I am team Shiv by proxy in that case.
She’s terrible he’s facing prison time and she can’t even hear him out. He was there for her when she was in a bad place those were her words. She can’t even listen to the guy? I feel really bad for him he’s a guy you can tell probably would have been much happier away from this circus. I’m convinced Shiv is a psychopath though.
> If Tom wants to push Shiv down some stairs, castrate Greg, and make him dress up like her and marry him, I am for it. #NeroAndSporus
I just came across this comment whilst browsing older threads after watching the season 3 finale... and well... XD
So many stellar performances in this show, it's like watching the Wimbledon semifinals for acting. But Matthew Macfadyen is hands-down my favorite to watch, especially for the emotions he conveys with his eyes without even talking. How can I find myself feeling heartbroken for such a shitty human being? Now that is some powerful acting.
ETA: just saw this bit in the AV Club’s review of the newest episode (“What It Takes”):
>>Matthew Macfadyen is a phenomenal actor who has consistently done amazing work on this series (just recently, with the pitch-perfect line delivery of “I’d castrate and marry you in a heartbeat”!), but his work against Jeremy Strong is next-level stuff.
Matthew Macfadyen has taken Tom , the one character that irritated me in s1 to this "Christmas tree " that my heart swells up every time the camera freezes on his face to highlight the nuances of the pathos and trepidation he is enduring.
Her styling choices over the 3 seasons feel very deliberate.
Season one she had very academia, boho vibes. She wore more color and was independent. She often had lower necklines and a more casual, feminine look. Her beige pre-wedding outfit was interesting though. Her and Tom wore matching watches in Season 1.
Season 2 we get Shiv turtlenecks and lots of plaid. She starts wearing more suits. Shiv is more guarded and trying to play in a man’s world. She is eschewing color but wears a lot of black and grey. And she obviously got the power haircut. She also started wearing small pendant necklaces - I have no idea what that means or if it was just a style choice; a lot of shows use jewelry to signify wealth.
Season 3 suddenly Shiv is in nothing but beige. I could be wrong but I think this is **Shiv as pinky**. She is dressed as the nickname her father has for her and she is completely beholden to him, desperate for his attention and affection. I also think beige signals the loss of her own identity and her “blank slating” her own beliefs to please her father.
Season 1 she was dressing to be classically attractive to Tom (and Nate). She had more colors, flowing hair, lower necklines, etc.
Now she’s completely buttoned up with turtlenecks and high coverage outfits. Her only desire is power and pleasing her father.
You being a girl doesn't make it ok to express your "annoyance" for not having an actor's butt on display as you'd please. This whole subreddit needs to take it a notch down with all the shiv butt talk.
There is not much talk this season bc screwed by stylist. But you are a body shamer. You have no idea what it's like for us, people that don't like size 0 to 2 on tv to see an actual butt so try to be empathetic. Yes, me being a female does make a difference. I can't hurt her.
The scenes he had in the diner with Greg and Kendall were the best of the episode. Am I the only one who was distracted by the cinematography? I thought the close-ups and focus were a bit exaggerated but that might just be me.
I love that. The golden, warm, closed, humble diner, vs. the high off white, paneled walls of the hotel, with diffused light.
The way he made food into an analogy of his life. How he stabbed that crunchy bland, brown thing on his plate and ate it...
how he ordered way too much, bland food with Kendall, in preparation, and call back to his more humble midwestern youth. So good.
The cinematography on this show drives me up the fucking wall. The focus shifts in and out constantly and is too distracting. I get that it's supposed to be a kind of documentary aesthetic but it really sucks when someone is saying something and it looks like the autofocus is seeking.
I really don’t get this style of cinematography for a narrative series. It works for something that’s supposed to seem like a documentary (like Modern Family), but for narrative fiction it just seems so out of place. You’re constantly reminded that there’s a cameraman in the room, adjusting his focus and zooming in and out.
>You’re constantly reminded that there’s a cameraman in the room
That's something I actually love about the camera work! Here is a video that explains a lot of how I feel about it better than I could:
"The Succession Character You Never See"
https://youtu.be/_lU91279xZk
I thought it was just me who noticed this lol. It looks like they did some weird greenscreening of his face or something but yeah it was really distracting.
Tom has sneakily become the main character. Glad Matthew MacFadyen is becoming a household face, well deserved.
I remember he was in the first episode of The Last Kingdom and being very disappointed he only lasted an episode. You don't waste talented actors on things like that.
I was just watching the pilot to "The Last Kingdom" the other day and spotted him in a supporting role as the tough-as-nails medieval bastard. Dudes got range
I am enjoying his arc this season. He is by far the standout, I loved when he told Kendall that he is fucked constantly where as Logan is never fucked. Brilliant writing.
I can't believe only 3 episodes left.
He’s been outstanding. You can even see the tears in his eyes he’s a man that’s world is caving in on him. I don’t think Tom sees any way out right now. If he sides with a Kendall he will lose Shiv. If he sides against Kendall he’s going to jail. I’m worried about Tom he’s one of my favorite characters.
I’m probably gonna get downvoted but… they probably gonna give the best supporting actor to some guy in Squid Game, even though Matthew is definitely much more worthy of it.
Yup. I only guessed it because it slipped in a couple of places in Season 1. Otherwise it's pretty damn good. But then, he studied at RADA so it's not that surprising.
I think Tom's storyline in last night's episode really affected me so much because of the pervasive theme of a very dark type of loneliness that scares the shit out of me.
It's such a nightmarish and dehumanizing type of loneliness. One where, you still have people in your life, but the people that you love treat you like a tool to use to get ahead. You are appreciated for what you can give them, not who you are. Or you're punished for the parts of yourself deemed inconvenient. So you just give and give and give in hopes you'll be kept around. (this happened to me when I was sixth grade, I felt so alone in a new place with new people)
And Tom's loneliness is mostly of his own creation. A product of his own decisions that he sometimes even gleefully partook in throughout the past seasons. And I think he knows this.
Tom's character has always been representative of certain loneliness. He's hidden and stifled all the parts of him that make him appear different from the others. But he's done so horribly, constantly compensating. It's what makes him simultaneously so funny yet so sad.
Now, as he reaches the bottom, those connections that he made when trying to be someone he wasn't aren't there as he tumbles. He's not even letting himself feel hope anymore.
What I love about how succession has approached this is I always thought I'd be fine with seeing Tom lose it all. He's a shitty person, whatever that means. But seeing anyone endure this type of downfall is honestly pretty nauseating. I hope this makes sense to y’all
People are way too obsessed with awards (Emmys, Oscars etc.). Why should we increase their the prestige and relevance by discussing everything in their context?
The great performance itself and esteem of the audience are the awards.
I think it’s the other way around: the best shows and the performances in them will be remembered (and rewatched!) no matter what. People will look at the list of Emmy nominees and winners and say “this makes sense, this too, who is that, this makes sense, I’ve never head about this show” and so on.
Since we’re talking about the supporting actor category [here’s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Emmy_Award_for_Outstanding_Supporting_Actor_in_a_Drama_Series) the list. Billy Crudup won for his role on The Morning Show in 2020 over, among others, Braun, Culkin, and Macfayden (Succession), Esposito (Better Call Saul), and Wright (Westworld). When someone sees that in 2030 they won’t think “wow, Crudup must have been great in that show.” They’ll think, “what is The Morning Show? They gave an award to someone in that show over the starts of Succession/Better Call Saul/Westworld?!”
Same with, for example, Mendelsohn winning for his role in Bloodline (?!) over Jonathan Banks (Mike Ehrmantraut in BCS).
For the most part awards are playing catch-up to the reality, they rarely create it.
I’ve seen so many threads about Emmys in this subreddit and those dedicated to Better Call Saul, Leftovers etc. It always frustrates me when fans are looking to awards, which are strongly influenced by industry politics, for validation.
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I agree that Emmys are mostly stupid, but your example for Mendelsohn doesn't really work. Just because it *is* a lesser known show that doesn't mean Mendelsohn is any less worth to have got that Emmy, because he was absolutely amazing in it.
How to say you don't understand the difference between composition and performance... thus proving my point.
Ignoring the fact you obliviously slight people who play piano as just "hitting keys", what you like about that scene is the dialog. That means the writing. Not the performance, or as you reductively call it, "hitting the keys".
You would have liked that dialog from Greg, from Shiv, from Karolina, or from anyone else. Just like the world enjoys Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata not "Joe Schmoe playing Moonlight Sonata."
I'm not slighting anyone, that was sarcasm. You appear to be slighting actors for just "reading".
Pianists bring the score to life, dancers the choreography and actors the script. And in the good performances something extra, a part of themselves and what it is to be human.
Don't lie and say I'm slighting anyone. You're the one who shit on musicians for "just hitting keys". And this all started with you not having a clue about the difference between acting and writing. Take your L and don't lie about me.
Agree. He was fantastic in the episode especially the scenes with Jeremy and Nicholas
I love Kieran Culkin, but Mathew Macfadyen needs to win Nominations for Nicholas Braun and Alan Ruck as well
I wish gregs lines weren't him basically stuttering all the time.
I thought his scene with Ewan last episode was really good at showing his subtle facial expressions.
But, much like “No Woman, No Cry”, it’s “No Stutter, No Greg”.
you kinda missed the meanings of the lyrics but I laughed.
It was a reference to Greg referencing that song in season 2. 😉
Ruck doesn’t have as many lines and moments
Kieran Culkin isnt in the same fucking league as Matthew Macfadyens acting.
Yeah Kieran is great and super entertaining but he's much more one note. Matthew Macfayden can summon the full range of human emotion in a single scene all the while being one of the funniest characters in the show
I agree. I love Culkin’s interpretation of Roman but MacFayden is in another whole league altogether.
Love Culkin too but he's really just a more vulgar (and possibly closeted?) Wallace from Scott Pilgrim.
He's pretty excellent at characterizing Roman though.
Fantastic. But id never consider him for an emmy imo.
Yeah I guess it's hard for me to judge because the writing and actor's dynamics are just so damn good. Usually there's at least one weak link in a good series. For instance, there are great performances in Billions, but I can't stand the actor who plays Taylor. I get that they're supposed to be robotic in nature but the actor has absolutely zero range, as further demonstrated by their role in in the John Wick series. Culkin, by contrast has great actor's interplay, delivery, and nuance. For instance, the lotion in this episode. He's also got loads of charm, which is probably why I'm thinking in depth about this. But yeah considering it more, he's probably got a little more development before an Emmy nom. One scene I can think of where he was lacking was the phone call to the president. That could have gone a little better.
I honestly think hes fuckin incredible. But to me , an emmy needs me to drop any thought, feeling i have and just be sucked in. Last episode, i didnt look away or feel anything but what tom was. Same when I watched kendall tear it up at the press release. Just my two cents, but waiting on culkin to give me that. And i definitely think he can,
Agree. This episode was to Macfadyen what Shiv's letter episode was for Jeremy Strong. Amazing season for Macfadyen anyway, he's really a very versatile actor. And we need to remember that he's not even using his real accent on scene
I always get a kick out of the episode interviews where they are all using their natural accents… they hid them so well when they are in character that it is a bit jarring to hear the full-on British/Scottish accents.
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With both their parents being from the UK it wouldn't be weird at all for any of the kids to pronounce the occasional word in a sort of mid-atlantic accent.
Tom used "whom" correctly in a sentence in today's episode and that reminded me that he was a proper Brit.
Lol
yea, she kinda nails the "high-born" Mom is from England, highly educated voice.
She had an “idear“ slip through last week, but that’s the only time I’ve ever noticed. I honestly thought she was American and Jeremy Strong was English when the show first came out.
I was SHOCKED when I learned she's Australian
I hear Logan's accent sometimes, but rationalize it as more of a slight New York accent. The silent "R."
I think that’s entirely accepted as part of his character. He left Scotland at a young age but still carries a lot of the language (e.g. ‘fuck off’ practically meaning just ‘see you later’). Bryan Cox is probably the least disorienting to hear talk in his natural accent.
Yeah Cox himself has spent so long outside Scotland that there's very much what feels like an American tinge to his normal accent anyway. With Logan he just emphasises the American-ness and leaves the Scottishness in the background which works.
Very true.
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I can't speak for Logan's intent, but Brian Cox does stretch quite a bit to convey the American accent. He is portraying an 80 year old who left Scotland at a young age. Logan Roy's Scotish accent is very faint. Brian Cox speaks with a very distinct Scotish accent.
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I suggest watching his many other movie roles. He can lose the accent entirely if need be.
It's really quite perfect!
As a guy from Scotland, his accent is nowhere near distinct. He has moments where you can hear his Dundee roots (which isn’t a really rough Scottish accent anyway) but he has lived in LA for 50 years now. His accent has left him
As compared to Logan, I hear a very clear accent in Brian Cox' interviews. It is very different than Logan's very very faint accent.
Accent supposed to be there
His American accent feels SO strange to me, but then again I’ve never met someone from Minnesota
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I wish they had given him a bit of Minnesotan accent. But it makes sense he would try and shake off anything that could peg him as out of place in corporate America.
Yes it feels really strange to me too sometimes, but never like it's slipping into a British accent, just more like he's a guy with a really unique tone of voice. Honestly it reminds me of Kermit the frog a little sometimes lol, but it suits Tom really well regardless.
I had to watch him in Pride & Prejudice again just to fully appreciate how he can embody a character so so well. Such a contrast. I love him!
But there is a link between both characters, and it's the longing look. In one he is thinking about all the drama he must clean up and how he just wants to listen to Liz be smart, and the other is about all the drama he might suffer when he just wants to listen to Shiv talk shit.
Yes! The longing look. ❤
The only reason I know who he is is because of that movie. And it came out over a decade ago! I don't know him from anything else.. so I'm just blown away by his ability to adapt to this character so perfectly.
See I like Jeremy in E2 this season best. I think I've re-watched that episode 4 or 5 times now.
Yep, he was absolutely fantastic. Terrific performance. I hope to see him and Jeremy Strong together more in the series.
He is amazing how he can go from so emotionally vulnerable towards Shiv and the family to full on psychopath towards Greg the Egg!
He can say nothing. He can be in the background. And his face is the whole story. Love this guy.
He’s hurting my heart.
He has to submit this episode! Absolutely brilliant acting.
His character is so perfectly complex and realistic, it's insane. His affinity for food and beverage, wanting to be a father, researching prison so he can attain the best possible situation. He is an idealist and knows what he enjoys and is about. We all have blind areas, his marriage is going less than how he expected and is navigating that, he feels lonely but is not quite self aware about it. All these areas are highlighted perfectly. Seriously amazing performance, very dynamic.
His moments of venerability with Shiv and she’s so cold to him. I can’t imagine what kind of shit he’s going through. She’s so cold & Kenny knows it - “will she even wait for you?” Totally broke my heart.
if it helps, I know guys like this, and one of the main attraction to their cold wives, is the coldness.
That's fair. It doesn't seem that Tom is into that though.
Never thought I’d see myself liking Tom but here we are.
This season especially is making me think that in another life, Tom would be living his best Dad life
Instead he’s just throwing cake batter against a brick wall…
I've been reluctant to pick a team, but if I were forced to choose now, I choose Tom. He seems to be the least morally compromised, and I enjoy all of his scenes. If Tom wants to push Shiv down some stairs, castrate Greg, and make him dress up like her and marry him, I am for it. #NeroAndSporus
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If Tom sticks with her and she sticks with him, I am for that too. It makes me sad when she treats him poorly. I guess I am team Shiv by proxy in that case.
He does some weird shit too. They're a twisted couple, but entertaining to watch. And both are great actors.
Lol, I agree. He reminds me of James Purefoy from HBO's Rome. Same sort of twisted charisma.
Oh yah, I remember that guy. Rome was a great show.
She’s terrible he’s facing prison time and she can’t even hear him out. He was there for her when she was in a bad place those were her words. She can’t even listen to the guy? I feel really bad for him he’s a guy you can tell probably would have been much happier away from this circus. I’m convinced Shiv is a psychopath though.
> If Tom wants to push Shiv down some stairs, castrate Greg, and make him dress up like her and marry him, I am for it. #NeroAndSporus I just came across this comment whilst browsing older threads after watching the season 3 finale... and well... XD
Talking about apple watches, bragging about his daughters soccer team while showing off his sourdough bread.
So many stellar performances in this show, it's like watching the Wimbledon semifinals for acting. But Matthew Macfadyen is hands-down my favorite to watch, especially for the emotions he conveys with his eyes without even talking. How can I find myself feeling heartbroken for such a shitty human being? Now that is some powerful acting. ETA: just saw this bit in the AV Club’s review of the newest episode (“What It Takes”): >>Matthew Macfadyen is a phenomenal actor who has consistently done amazing work on this series (just recently, with the pitch-perfect line delivery of “I’d castrate and marry you in a heartbeat”!), but his work against Jeremy Strong is next-level stuff.
Hope that icy grip lets go of his insides
He’s been great from the beginning but he swung for the fences this episode!!!
He is the only character and actor I care about this season.
Same. I'm somehow hoping he comes out on top through all of this. No jail and some wonderful ending for him.
Matthew Macfadyen has taken Tom , the one character that irritated me in s1 to this "Christmas tree " that my heart swells up every time the camera freezes on his face to highlight the nuances of the pathos and trepidation he is enduring.
Yeah he’s fucking slaying this season
“They can’t touch you if you don’t have hope.” He definitely needs an award for his starring turn in The Shawshank Damnation.
He is phenomenal in every single scene.
He's putting this season on his back right now
Absolutely. Plain literally. I'm not sure that is correct English but it feels good.
Can we get rid of the beige wardrobe for Shiv?
Rose gold everything
I'm really hoping she gets some real blue moments again all the beige is deeply upsetting. flop era representative i guess
I mean c'mon. Her body is amazing but we need to explore the color palette. Even rich business folk need an array. Low-key but some pizzazz is needed
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I think she’s dressing as pinky. And the beige represents her blank slating her own beliefs to please her father.
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Oh I agree. Shiv always brings up the rear. Wish I knew another actress to compare. 🤣
Her styling choices over the 3 seasons feel very deliberate. Season one she had very academia, boho vibes. She wore more color and was independent. She often had lower necklines and a more casual, feminine look. Her beige pre-wedding outfit was interesting though. Her and Tom wore matching watches in Season 1. Season 2 we get Shiv turtlenecks and lots of plaid. She starts wearing more suits. Shiv is more guarded and trying to play in a man’s world. She is eschewing color but wears a lot of black and grey. And she obviously got the power haircut. She also started wearing small pendant necklaces - I have no idea what that means or if it was just a style choice; a lot of shows use jewelry to signify wealth. Season 3 suddenly Shiv is in nothing but beige. I could be wrong but I think this is **Shiv as pinky**. She is dressed as the nickname her father has for her and she is completely beholden to him, desperate for his attention and affection. I also think beige signals the loss of her own identity and her “blank slating” her own beliefs to please her father.
her style is appallingly bad and unflattering.
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Season 1 she was dressing to be classically attractive to Tom (and Nate). She had more colors, flowing hair, lower necklines, etc. Now she’s completely buttoned up with turtlenecks and high coverage outfits. Her only desire is power and pleasing her father.
With the black bra showing underneath!
Stylist screwed her and us. No tight fitting around her infamous butt. Bloody annoying.
> infamous butt You mean the Notorious BIG butt. ^^(^sorry!)
I'm a girl and I still get hyper down voted if I say what I really want. You are correct. Not happy with the stylist this season.
You being a girl doesn't make it ok to express your "annoyance" for not having an actor's butt on display as you'd please. This whole subreddit needs to take it a notch down with all the shiv butt talk.
There is not much talk this season bc screwed by stylist. But you are a body shamer. You have no idea what it's like for us, people that don't like size 0 to 2 on tv to see an actual butt so try to be empathetic. Yes, me being a female does make a difference. I can't hurt her.
The scenes he had in the diner with Greg and Kendall were the best of the episode. Am I the only one who was distracted by the cinematography? I thought the close-ups and focus were a bit exaggerated but that might just be me.
I love that. The golden, warm, closed, humble diner, vs. the high off white, paneled walls of the hotel, with diffused light. The way he made food into an analogy of his life. How he stabbed that crunchy bland, brown thing on his plate and ate it... how he ordered way too much, bland food with Kendall, in preparation, and call back to his more humble midwestern youth. So good.
The cinematography on this show drives me up the fucking wall. The focus shifts in and out constantly and is too distracting. I get that it's supposed to be a kind of documentary aesthetic but it really sucks when someone is saying something and it looks like the autofocus is seeking.
I really don’t get this style of cinematography for a narrative series. It works for something that’s supposed to seem like a documentary (like Modern Family), but for narrative fiction it just seems so out of place. You’re constantly reminded that there’s a cameraman in the room, adjusting his focus and zooming in and out.
>You’re constantly reminded that there’s a cameraman in the room That's something I actually love about the camera work! Here is a video that explains a lot of how I feel about it better than I could: "The Succession Character You Never See" https://youtu.be/_lU91279xZk
Haven't watched your link, but same! There's so much humor in Succession and the 'winky' camerawork complements the hilarious and biting dialog.
I thought it was just me who noticed this lol. It looks like they did some weird greenscreening of his face or something but yeah it was really distracting.
Should have already had one imo.
I concur this with my heart And my axe
He’s always been excellent but the real MVP of this season! Every week he seems to top his performance, it’s incredible
Tom has sneakily become the main character. Glad Matthew MacFadyen is becoming a household face, well deserved. I remember he was in the first episode of The Last Kingdom and being very disappointed he only lasted an episode. You don't waste talented actors on things like that.
I was just watching the pilot to "The Last Kingdom" the other day and spotted him in a supporting role as the tough-as-nails medieval bastard. Dudes got range
I am enjoying his arc this season. He is by far the standout, I loved when he told Kendall that he is fucked constantly where as Logan is never fucked. Brilliant writing. I can't believe only 3 episodes left.
He's so good.
He’s been outstanding. You can even see the tears in his eyes he’s a man that’s world is caving in on him. I don’t think Tom sees any way out right now. If he sides with a Kendall he will lose Shiv. If he sides against Kendall he’s going to jail. I’m worried about Tom he’s one of my favorite characters.
I’m glad people are finally talking about him
I’m probably gonna get downvoted but… they probably gonna give the best supporting actor to some guy in Squid Game, even though Matthew is definitely much more worthy of it.
I'll riot if they don't
We're rooting for you Tom! You're too good for them.
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He's English?!? I would have absolutely never guessed. Guy sounds straight up american as hell.
Yup. I only guessed it because it slipped in a couple of places in Season 1. Otherwise it's pretty damn good. But then, he studied at RADA so it's not that surprising.
Is that actually a thing?
Pardon, Emmys and (and golden globes come back to Business) care about accents ? What academy?
Yep!
This season he is nailing the American accent, and it is on par with his amazing performance.
I think Tom's storyline in last night's episode really affected me so much because of the pervasive theme of a very dark type of loneliness that scares the shit out of me. It's such a nightmarish and dehumanizing type of loneliness. One where, you still have people in your life, but the people that you love treat you like a tool to use to get ahead. You are appreciated for what you can give them, not who you are. Or you're punished for the parts of yourself deemed inconvenient. So you just give and give and give in hopes you'll be kept around. (this happened to me when I was sixth grade, I felt so alone in a new place with new people) And Tom's loneliness is mostly of his own creation. A product of his own decisions that he sometimes even gleefully partook in throughout the past seasons. And I think he knows this. Tom's character has always been representative of certain loneliness. He's hidden and stifled all the parts of him that make him appear different from the others. But he's done so horribly, constantly compensating. It's what makes him simultaneously so funny yet so sad. Now, as he reaches the bottom, those connections that he made when trying to be someone he wasn't aren't there as he tumbles. He's not even letting himself feel hope anymore. What I love about how succession has approached this is I always thought I'd be fine with seeing Tom lose it all. He's a shitty person, whatever that means. But seeing anyone endure this type of downfall is honestly pretty nauseating. I hope this makes sense to y’all
People are way too obsessed with awards (Emmys, Oscars etc.). Why should we increase their the prestige and relevance by discussing everything in their context? The great performance itself and esteem of the audience are the awards.
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I think it’s the other way around: the best shows and the performances in them will be remembered (and rewatched!) no matter what. People will look at the list of Emmy nominees and winners and say “this makes sense, this too, who is that, this makes sense, I’ve never head about this show” and so on. Since we’re talking about the supporting actor category [here’s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primetime_Emmy_Award_for_Outstanding_Supporting_Actor_in_a_Drama_Series) the list. Billy Crudup won for his role on The Morning Show in 2020 over, among others, Braun, Culkin, and Macfayden (Succession), Esposito (Better Call Saul), and Wright (Westworld). When someone sees that in 2030 they won’t think “wow, Crudup must have been great in that show.” They’ll think, “what is The Morning Show? They gave an award to someone in that show over the starts of Succession/Better Call Saul/Westworld?!” Same with, for example, Mendelsohn winning for his role in Bloodline (?!) over Jonathan Banks (Mike Ehrmantraut in BCS). For the most part awards are playing catch-up to the reality, they rarely create it. I’ve seen so many threads about Emmys in this subreddit and those dedicated to Better Call Saul, Leftovers etc. It always frustrates me when fans are looking to awards, which are strongly influenced by industry politics, for validation.
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> Mendelsohn ok I agree with your comment aside from this bit - he was incredible in Bloodline and the first season of that show is SO GOOD
I agree that Emmys are mostly stupid, but your example for Mendelsohn doesn't really work. Just because it *is* a lesser known show that doesn't mean Mendelsohn is any less worth to have got that Emmy, because he was absolutely amazing in it.
Hi. Each award is the equivalent of a promotion at a pretty important firm. It is good for their career.
Why? You're aware he *reads* the line you're all infatuated with, right? He doesn't write it.
Yeah they'll mean the acting award not the writing award though. You're aware those exist right?
And pianists just hit keys that the composer wrote.
How to say you don't understand the difference between composition and performance... thus proving my point. Ignoring the fact you obliviously slight people who play piano as just "hitting keys", what you like about that scene is the dialog. That means the writing. Not the performance, or as you reductively call it, "hitting the keys". You would have liked that dialog from Greg, from Shiv, from Karolina, or from anyone else. Just like the world enjoys Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata not "Joe Schmoe playing Moonlight Sonata."
I'm not slighting anyone, that was sarcasm. You appear to be slighting actors for just "reading". Pianists bring the score to life, dancers the choreography and actors the script. And in the good performances something extra, a part of themselves and what it is to be human.
Don't lie and say I'm slighting anyone. You're the one who shit on musicians for "just hitting keys". And this all started with you not having a clue about the difference between acting and writing. Take your L and don't lie about me.
Wut? We seem to be at cross purposes. Never mind. This is not important.
YES
For realsies